1 I don't know of a clearer picture of the Road to Hell. And these people lecture us about "unsustainability."

2 If anyone has a functional email address for Stupak, please forward: "'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.' - Thomas Paine, on integrity"

3 Well the top headline for today is:

Are you MAD and FIRED UP or..

are you just demoralized?

And what will the commies try next?

4 Super post on HillBuzz:

T"oday, as we think about what Leftists shoved through Congress yesterday, and how giddy the Red Queen Nancy Pelosi seemed carrying that giant gavel across the Capitol grounds on her way to pound the Constitution to pulp..."

5 Vic-
I am all of those. I cannot believe that these people ever had souls. I am now waiting for a said liberal friend to finally post about Obamascare after almost 15 months of nothing...in the previous 8 years he called Bush all kinds of names...but the true imperialist is The Pied Piper.

6 Smoker President Signs Health Care Bill to Be Administered by Tax Cheat and Former Trial Lawyer Lobbyist tinyurl.com/yc2yt2s

7 Way scary chart that shows the vast disparity between what was initially calculated for the cost of various medical programs and what the actual reality was in billions of dollars from Reason.  It makes the miscalulations of the MA state funded health care look like a downright bargain.  Medicaid and Medicare of course, were the absolute worst.   Here's the link.

8

So for all the democrats that are openly enjoying the pain and suffering of Conservatives today, you will enjoy this comment even more: my suffering today is amplified by the knowledge that those enjoying my pain will be in charge of my pain and suffering in the future.

I can't imagine that they will act more responsibly then. Let me guess: democrat districts get more healthcare funding than republican ones, right?

And goodbye 401Ks. 410Ks are to democrats what ANWR is to republicans; a resource waiting to be drilled.

 

9

D'oh!  I hit the send button before posting the link! 

Sorry!  (So sleep deprived!)  http://tinyurl.com/yhmebtd

10 4

In America post paginates you!!

11 Repeal and Replace! All Democrats Out! (Lather, rinse, repeat)

12 I have lost all faith

I am governed by a self-perpetuating ruling class that sees political power as an end unto itself

it doesn't matter who we elect- the government grows stronger, while our liberties become fewer

1776-2010

13

"...The road to hell is paved with good intentions..."

...this is the road taken by the "useful idiots" who blindly supported ObamaCare...<:~(

I dont beleve Obama and his clique is well intentioned at all...this is a debacle is a deliberate act to further sink us in debt that we can't get out of, thus colllapsing the entire system...

It's simple...if we dont rein in spending the USA as we know it, is indeed headed to hell...a sad day indeed...<:'~(

14 Gee anyone have good joke to lighten up the day?

15 I fear it will be too late for my granddaughter, who has leukemia that none of us can afford to treat, but at least more American children will in future stand a chance. My stepfather lives in Britain and his prostate cancer was treated on the NHS, I never meet a Brit who doesn't love the NHS and I don't see Brits starving in the streets because they have to contribute to healthcare. I am pleased that today has come.

16 Gabe,
Thanks for all the morale-boosting and vote-counting : )

17 The MSM is your true foe. It shapes the thinking and emotions of tens of millions of Americans (and Mexicans). You must fight and overwhelm the MSM, too.

18

Ahhhhhh!  It's Monday and I feel at one with Hugo Chavez!  Hell, this socialism's not so bad.  I've had heart attacks worse than this.

And continuing with the good news: could the timing possibly get better?  http://tinyurl.com/ygfv435

I'm sure they'll get on this just as soon as they solve global warming.

In the meantime, after a bit of research, I'm gonna by me some materials to pad my portfolio so Barry can take it from to prop up his bolshevism for America programs.

"Äîáðîå óòðî!" (DOB-rah-ye UT-rah)  - from Answers.com

 

19

this is awful. there's gotta be some states that will fight this, no? I hope so.

 

20 Ah, the trolls arriveth.

21 All i could think about last night was this speech, Ronald Reagan Speaks out against socialized medicine

22 Beck just threw down the gauntlet.  He pretty told the progressives to be prepared for a big time ass-kicking in November, and thanked them for remaining true to themselves by revealing their ugly mask for all of America to see.  He also told Grahamnesty and McLame to get the hell out of the way and their hands off the Constitution.   And, no less than the Huffington Post has an article that if the Dems think the fight over hellcare is over, they are saidly mistaken.  The manner in which this crap was shoved down the American public has awoken a sleeping giant.  Hey, Dems, how's that noose feeling right now?

23

"I never meet a Brit who doesn't love the NHS "

oh, that's a crock of crap. no one here is going to believe that garbage.

24 My dog was euthanized last week, and then Congress euthanized America 2 days later - Welcome to the New World Order.

25 #18- you are a liar. The American Leukemia society will pay for your "grandaughter's" care. Also prostate cancer care is atrocious in the UK.

26

Are you MAD and FIRED UP

It's kind of a slow burn. Like "Okay, you went there. You are NOT going to like the response. Now where did I put that tar?"

27 "Know your enemies!" is the saying.  I know mine and they're easily identified by the (D) after their fucking name. 

28 14

Instead, start sending your staff out to look for empty liquor boxes...

I LOL'ed. Thx, I needed that.

29 13 Repeal and Replace!

All Democrats Out!

(Lather, rinse, repeat)   Let's not forget Lindsey effing Graham please.  Most southerners I know would bristle a bit at being represented by that jackass. 

30

Red Queen Nancy Pelosi seemed carrying that giant gavel across the Capitol grounds on her way to pound the Constitution to pulp.

Nans Gallagher moment.

31

So I see the stock market just opened.

 

....AAAAAnd its gone....

32

25 Beck just threw down the gauntlet. 

I kinda like Stossel myself.  Sorta like Beck only not insane.

33 13 Repeal and Replace!

All Democrats Out!

(Lather, rinse, repeat)

Posted by: eman at March 22, 2010 09:22 AM (3fzoU)

Only a shortest of short term solutions.

It would work about as well as dumping a bucket of bad water when it's the rotted plumbing that's filling the bucket with bad water no matter how many times you empty it.

Gotta fix what's broke. And the What's Broke List is long and comprehensive.

34 My responses to this socialist tax grab: spend less avoid union made products avoid the MSM and boycott their advertisers stop tipping-and hand out a card that says-"Obama taxed your tip"

35

Posted by: LibertarianJim at March 22, 2010 09:15 AM (PReJ3)

 

Now that is teh funny!  Because the best humor has a little bit of truth.

36

0 climbing back in Rasmussen...suspect the haters on the left finally got their validation.  Just wait until he comes for our carbon....

37

How inspiring that the Dems passed this bill on the very eve of King George III's Stamp Tax Act!!! 

Now, there was an historic bit of legislation!

Ever the lady, I have this to say about  Pelosi and  Hellcare:  @#*!~^@$##+#!!!!!!!  *@!]@#&*@!!!!

REPEAL THE F^CKER!!   NOW!

 

38 17 Gee anyone have good joke to lighten up the day?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2010 09:24 AM (0GFWk)

Once America was led by a patriot named Ronald Reagan and was entertained by Johnny Cash and Bob Hope.

Now we are led by a Marxist traitor named B+rry and have no hope and no cash.

39 15 I have lost all faith

I am governed by a self-perpetuating ruling class that sees political power as an end unto itself

it doesn't matter who we elect- the government grows stronger, while our liberties become fewer

1776-2010

Posted by: Jones at March 22, 2010 09:23 AM (JL3qV)

I've often thought that the old saw "power corrupts..." is backasswards. Power doesn't corrupt, the corrupt seek power. The absolutely corrupt seek absolute power.

40 I don't know why everyone is saying I took that compromise up the ass.

41 27 My dog was euthanized last week, and then Congress euthanized America 2 days later - Welcome to the New World Order.

Posted by: Janir at March 22, 2010 09:28 AM (HOjYi)

My condolences, both to your dog and our country.

42 I mean seriously, I think I cut a pretty good deal.

43 Tar, feather, politician (some assembly required)

44

there's gotta be some states that will fight. all they/we need is a spark.

 

45

av,

Thank you sweetie but you need to stick talking only about things you know about. The American Leukemia Society? No such organization. The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society has been wonderful but they dedicate funds to research and can provide very limited means to families. They've only been able to help since my son remortgaged his house. If you think they need more money to help people with blood cancer, make a donation.

46 I'm sending a Fin to Benishek. Every $ counts.

47 Oh well, even if it does cost me my job, at least I know that I'm a hero to most Americans, speaking truth to power and all like I did ...

48

From the "ah, poor baby" files:

No matter how you spin it, today is a huge loss for Progressives. We did not get Universal Health Care. We did get even a public option that would put us on equal footing with the private insurers.

No. The Democrats who we put into office handed us to every business interest, the pharmaceuticals, AMA, AHA, and even the insurance companies, anyone but the public who had a stake in the outcome got his pocket padded with the public's money.

From the comments of the Reason.com post linked in HA Headlines (data set of the day or something).

 

49

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#18 - I assume the "O" in your alias stands for "Obamabot".  Say "hi" to Axelrod for me at your meeting in the WH this morning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

50

The last 4 letters in American is    ...  I CAN

The last 4 letters in Republican is  ...  I CAN

The last 4 letters in Democrats is   ...  RATS

51 stop tipping-and hand out a card that says-"Obama taxed your tip"

Ix-nay. The server won't think "Gee, Obama really sucks!", they'll think "Gee, what a cheap bastard. I'm spitting in his coffee next time."

52 Filly,

In all seriousness and with all due respect (I've read your posts and like most of what you've written), will you stop with the HillBuzz nonsense?

As near as I could determine, looking into it in depth last election cycle, it is little more than a clever financial SCAM.

In other words, they feed you exactly what you want and hit you with the big "Donate" button, then they do NOTHING with your money of any value.

You'll never find out who is actually behind the site, and all of the supposed events they were organizing with their multitudes of donations last election cycle never materialized.

But they made money and what I believe is a scam continues.

You're just victimizing people by publicizing them. Direct attention to valid candidates and useful websites such as THIS one... including when it comes to donations.

I'm not saying this because I'm in the AoSHQ inner circle -- far from it.

I'm saying it because I believe it's true.

DONATE to the GOP, or here, or whatever, but don't be sucked in by the absolutely brilliant marketing scam at HillBuzz, which I absolutely think should be investigated by the FBI.

When AoSHQ has an event, you know what? It actually happens.

HillBuzz? Not so much.

53 #46 NO DEFEATISM.  We are going to clean out the left (99% of Dems) like draino in a pipe.  Last night just ups the concentration of lye.

54 And at least I've still got my good friends in the right to life movement.  Everyone will understand once this all blows over.

55

I don't know why everyone is saying I took that compromise up the ass.

It's just that the look on your face is so familiar.

56 And what will the commies try next?

Recon is going to fail by a "hair" in the Senate (so close!). And they will save it as a Get Out of Jail Free card for whatever America-wrecking bullshit they can't get RINO support on. You heard it here first.

57

Violet O at March 22, 2010 09:24 AM

You're a liar.  As stated in a previous post, the Leukemia Society will assist with payments, St. Jude and many other hospitals will treat it at no charge.  Try again you stupid troll.  Oh, and in many states. Pennsylvania being one of them, this won't add any more children to the healthcare system.  It will however add able bodied adults.

58

I don't know why everyone is saying I took that compromise up the ass.

It's just that the look on your face is so familiar.

stoopid blog

59

Re #54 -  something went nuts with my programmable keyboard.  Profound apologies, everybody.

60
Democrats really don't care at all about increasing revenue to the government.

They really don't.

Democrats only care about raising taxes to unfair, crippling levels.

61 And most importantly, I took a stand to protect the rights of the unborn.  It says so right there in the Executive Order that communist dictator gave me.

62

O Violet...when I was stationed in England, one day when I was dropping off my rent (paid in cash to the old codger), I was met at the door by his lovely betrothed...who had just had a row of teeth ripped out instead of having oral surgery done.  She never received a bridge for her massive gap.  But she kept her stiff upper lip (tho slightly dented)

A very nice (but the English are all so awfully nice) middle-class lady working in my building stopped to chat over tea--her husband was on a 6-month waiting list for surgery.  He was in pain and couldn't work, but by golly, he was getting his health care "for free." 

Britain's a relatively homogeneous nation of 70 million people.  There are 300 million (at least) Americans--this is a reverse economy of scale.  Nothing good will come of socialized medicine in this country. 

  

63 Violated by O,

I've never met a Brit that would go back and be subjected to the NHS. Or is that subjugated? The Brits here are escaping the class-based society that is being set up now by the current government. Everyone of them I have spoken with lately has warned me that America is the last place left for free people.

Sorry about your grand-daughter. Maybe you didn't try hard enough. Or maybe your just full of shit.

64

"Mallamutt",

I hope you aren't from the South, we're supposed to have better manners than that. My travels are not at all extensive, but having family in Britain means I get over there every couple of years. Having family with health problems means I get to discuss health with a lot of people in the same situation, and that has included when I've gone to Britain. I daresay there are people who don't like the NHS, but I've never met one. Every British person I've met to discuss it has said it's wonderful. You must tell us all about the British people you know who think it's terrible, that would balance things out properly.

65 Gee anyone have good joke to lighten up the day?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2010 09:24 AM (0GFWk)

220 or so Democrats are standing just inside the gates of hell. One turns to another and says "hey, this isn't what we all bargained for". And the other says, "yeah." Then all their flesh starts being slowly eaten away by various demonic insects.

66 From now on every time I have a problem with my health care coverage I'm calling my Dem. congressman. Too long waiting for an appointment, Delahunt gets a call.Insurance doesn't cover a specific test, Delahunt gets a call.And so on.

67 Sorry that should have been "280 or so". It's much funnier with 280.

68
Yahoo news links to an "op ed" written by KOS.  (mAt Egalsias)

KOS says that this is all the republicans fault because they said "no" and that the democrats were really willing to listen and include the Republicans on health care.

The poison lie apples don't fall far from the poison apple tree.

69

Personalizing the people Barry has promised to put out of work - http://tinyurl.com/y8ed28t

- through pictures.

From Boker Tov Boulder

70 Told ya Obama's numbers would go up.....

71

Mega, thanks for the joke--just emailed it. 

72 Told ya Obama's numbers would go up.....

That's just what I call the moonbat bump.

73 Gabriel?

Great job counting those votes. If one was just believing the public pronouncements of squishy Democrats who can't even be Democrats properly, your numbers and optimism would have had validity.

For those who understood they were being bullshitted, well, the proof is in the shit-pudding.

74 I'm a conservative, always have been. I didn't vote in 2008 because I thought Palin was such a tactical error by the Republicans (I know that isn't going to be popular here, and I don't care). Error noted, thank you, that put me in my place. Are you all this rude to your neighbors or do you keep it for the internet?

75
I's time to flush the Chicago mob from Washington.
We start this November.

This nation cannot afford the Democrat party. 

76 I'm switching my ringtone to "Back in the USSR" this morning.  Please join me.

77
Violet, sometimes party trumps person.  Why?  Because this is what you get.
Disaster.

78 Well it seems that those Democrats who aren't out and out communists can still be purchased at reasonable cost. They are whores.

79

"Gee anyone have good joke to lighten up the day? "

Barack Hussein Obama was looking for a call girl.

He found three such girls in a local pub, a blonde, a brunette and a redhead. 
To the blonde he said, 'I am the President of the United States.
Now how much would it cost me to spend some time with you?'
She replied, $200.' 

To the brunette he asked the same question.  
Her reply was $100.

He then asked the redhead.... 

Her reply was,
'Mr. President,
if you can get my skirt up as high as my taxes,
my pants as low as my wages,
get that thing of yours as hard as the times we are living in,
and keep it rising like the price of gas,
keep me warmer than it is in my apartment
and screw me the way you have retirees,
then it isn't going to cost you a damn cent !'

80 18 I fear it will be too late for my granddaughter, who has leukemia that none of us can afford to treat, but at least more American children will in future stand a chance. My stepfather lives in Britain and his prostate cancer was treated on the NHS, I never meet a Brit who doesn't love the NHS and I don't see Brits starving in the streets because they have to contribute to healthcare. I am pleased that today has come.     I call B.S.  Every hospital I know that does pediatrics has foundations to provide charity care for children with life threatening illnesses.  I've volunteered for fundraisers for the Childrens Hospital here in Seattle.  I know a bunch of Brits who didn't love the NHS and left UK because of it.  They were doctors and nurses.  I know people that are still there now that hate it too.  One of their biggest complaints (besides axcess and waiting to be seen) is the fact that their physicians and nurses are English as a second language speakers.  It makes it difficult to communicate, the basic fundamental in establishing care. 

81 Following the vote on the massive health bill, Republicans challenged the Democratic bill's language barring federal funding of abortions, saying it was weak and would effectively allow public funding for abortions.

Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan, who had fought for tough language barring federal subsidies for abortion coverage, denounced the Republican move, saying it was nothing more than an attempt to deny 32 million Americans health care. From the Republican side a voice shouted, "Baby killer!"

82 18 I fear it will be too late for my granddaughter, who has leukemia that none of us can afford to treat, but at least more American children will in future stand a chance. My stepfather lives in Britain and his prostate cancer was treated on the NHS, I never meet a Brit who doesn't love the NHS and I don't see Brits starving in the streets because they have to contribute to healthcare. I am pleased that today has come.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 09:24 AM (DBsf

Fuck off troll.

83

Fuck you Violet.

How's that for polite?

84 81 I'm a conservative, always have been. I didn't vote in 2008 because I thought Palin was such a tactical error by the Republicans (I know that isn't going to be popular here, and I don't care). Error noted, thank you, that put me in my place. Are you all this rude to your neighbors or do you keep it for the internet?

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 09:50 AM (DBsf

And now you're a concern troll.

85 I fear it will be too late for my granddaughter, who has leukemia that none of us can afford to treat,

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 09:24 AM

Oh and Violet, why don't you try the Cleveland Clinic.  Natona Canfield, Obama's latest sob story, is getting her leukemia treated there for free.

86
Democrats really don't care at all about increasing revenue to the government.

They really don't.

Democrats only care about raising taxes to unfair, obscene, business-killing, crippling levels. 

All for their glorious social welfare.  Good thing the media tell us about Obama's communist father.

87 Your name is repulsive as well, and your made up relatives and their "illnesses" are not very imaginitive.

88 >>stop tipping-and hand out a card that says-"Obama taxed your tip"

That I will not do. With a downturn in sight, that could be the last day that waitress is employed.

89
Good thing the media DIDN'T tell us about Obama's communist father.

90

Violet, sometimes party trumps person.  Why?  Because this is what you get.
Disaster.

If it would have made any difference in my state, then perhaps I'd have thought so, but it wouldn't.

91

Are you MAD and FIRED UP or..

are you just demoralized?

Last night was rough.  I was fully demoralized all morning, but it's fading.  There is work to be done and I fully intend on being a part of it in any way I can.  So yeah, I'm getting fired up.

As an aside, I'm currently working a job in Brooklyn and we keep getting visits from a local community organization by the name of Black Economic Survival (motto: We build foundations out of the bricks that are thrown at us).  Basically, they show up at the job site with around 20 thugs and try to squeeze contractors for work or pay offs.  We've had 3 flat tires on our payloader in 5 weeks, so that should tell you about the methods of community organizers.  They showed up again this morning.

Anyway,  I'm the client rep on site and have no say over who gets hired for labor on the job.  I went to get the contractor superintendant (a good solid conservative who would fit in well here) and let him know that they were back.  He said, "I've got no patience for that community organizing fuck this morning.  They got health care last night.  Tell 'em all to go to the fucking doctor.  It's 'free' now."

92

At what point is some sort of revolt in order?

I'm as serious as a heart attack.

http://www.onlinetaxervolt.com

93 Violet, I'm going to take a wild guess at your last name: Is it Ohole?

94

Game, set, match, Violet O. However, thanks for playing, Don Pardo, do we have some parting gifts for Violet O?

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 09:54 AM (V9SYy)

A lifetime of government servitude.

95 Good thing the media DIDN'T tell us about Obama's communist father.

Or mother,grandparents,molester,etc.

96 Violent O

I hope your grand daughter is as imaginary as your party affiliation.

97
The deemocrats are now going to dive into really sleazy emotional territory to defend what they just did. 
Behold:  The lies are all going to flow like pollution into the Yangtze River.

98

I'm pretty certain that before November we will all have had our fill of statements like:

"Yes, I know it was unpopular but I decided to rise above the partisan rhetoric and do what my heart said was best for the American people in the long run.  Yes, I offered myself as a sacrifice for all of the little people who couldn't get healthcare because of Republican hardhearted capitalism.  Even though I may lose my job yada yada.  Sometimes we have to defy the roaring of public sentiment and do what we know, down deep in our hearts, is right.  I may be punished at the polls, but I will sleep well, and history will remember me well for yada yada."

Prepare yourselves for months of this self-flagellation bullshit as these bastards play themselves off as sacrifices for their 'little people' and icons of leadership.  We'll need to counter act this.  I'm thinking long, derisive peels of laughter should do the trick.

99

I must say I'm shocked, SHOCKED, and outraged at the political violence in this country....

http://tinyurl.com/yzp2oen

http://tinyurl.com/ykfzgcp

 

100 The Bill calls for 17,000 new IRS employees, in order for them to check every month, to make sure your paying your new health taxes, and to enforce that fact with penalties, late fees, and fines.

101 Fine, I have zero problem sacrificing each and every one of the feckless cocksuckers that did this to the country.

102 Violet O; the American Leukemia society paid for my wife's Hodgkin's care 30 years ago (before its name was changed). we are yearly donors. Hospitals have charity plans as do many pharmaceutical companies, the average doctor does25% pro-bono, and care cannot be denied. Your "grandchild" will not die from lack of care.

103

At what point is some sort of revolt in order?

Now?

104 I hope you aren't from the South, we're supposed to have better manners than that.

Well concern troll I AM from the South so FOAD; but please do it somewhere else.

Is that polite enough?

105 It is difficult for an imaginary child to die of anything, isn't it, Violet?

106 Hey in the headlines it says that Malcolm X's killer was paroled.  I never knew Calypso Louie was in jail.

107 Here's an idea Violet. Since you love the piddly ass island so much, why don't you take your ass back there and stay for say....forever. We have enough Goddamned socialists in the country without any fucking imports.

108 Violet "O"bama

109 Violet wears a violet shirt
Violet wears a violet shirt
Violet wears a violet shirt
Violet wears a violet shirt

110 What's funny about Violet and Bob and the rest of the trolls is that they were poor, useless unwanted pieces of shit before this all started, and now that HCR passed, they're still poor, useless unwanted pieces of shit.  Only now they're unemployable.

111

Violet, hopefully I didn't come off as rude, despite my moniker. 

What the British endure without complaining is a testament to their patience and tolerance for queues...but it's also representative of the prevailing mentality of learned helplessness.  As others have illustrated, medical care does not go untreated in this country, thanks to the generosity of others and the hard work done by researchers. 

There is a spirit of individual  initiative that exists in this country but is under constant attack by an exploitative party and their wards, a small subset of the population who are incapable of preparing for their immediate and future needs.  The greatest example was the debacle of Katrina, where a large number of people living in a bowl didn't have the God-given sense to get their asses out of the way of a major hurricane. 

112 Violet is an idiot, ignore her.  My family has been treated by the NHS for their entire lives and I am surprised that there are any of them left.  It is mostly fine for Primary Care complaints such as colds, flu and the odd bladder infection, but God help you if you need to be referred to a specialist. My aunt  died of ovarian cancer waiting 18 months to see a specialist. My niece is almost deaf from all the ear infections she suffered as a child, she had to wait until she was 8 to get her tonsils out.  She was diagnosed as being mildly retarded before the surgery, turned out she just couldn't hear much because of the scar tissue in her ears. Now she plays violin and is in the top 10% of her class.  Last year I almost lost my mother to mis-diagnosed pulmonary embolism when the local emergency room sent her home. My uncle died a horrible death from what started as pneumonia and ended up as gangrene. This happens because there are limited resources, not enough hospital beds, not enough good people employed in healthcare so the government has to recruit overseas-frequently from some third world cess-pit.  Don't even get me started on end-of-life care.  

113 Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night.

114 the American Leukemia society paid for my wife's Hodgkin's care 30 years ago (before its name was changed).

It is pointless to try to use "logic" with a concern troll.

115

Let's see here. 9" of snow on Sat. KU knocked out of the Tournament. Healthcare passes.

No, definitely not one of the better week-ends of the year.

116 And, apparently a similar incident at Louise Slaughter's office in Niagra Falls

117
“This was rammed down the throats of the American people with as much cynicism, trickery, deliberate obfuscation, and budgetary tomfoolery as has ever been seen for a major piece of legislation in the history of the republic.”

-Rick Moran

118 Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night.

Good.

119

"Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night."

I recall reading the blog last week that called for just such action.  Just like the early patriots did to the Brits.

120 Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night

Too bad it was only a brick.

121
NRO's popularity is busting.  Their server is over-loaded.

122 Ahhh, I feel so refreshed after having a very sleepless night.  Lying in the dark thinking about the annihilation of my country in every which way possible sure throws a wrench into the ole' sleep patterns.

Fuck 'em all.  They are going DOWN.

123 131 Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night.

Good.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 10:06 AM (mR7mk)

Was pretty much my reaction as well. It's a start.

124 I hope some bloggers - here, Malkin - can start analyzing the bill and publicize the bribes, kickbacks, and other legislative pork put into the bill to ensure it passes.  Let the American people see how the Democrats go about their business.  Publicize every lie that Pelosi and Obama told Americans.  Highlight each and every tax increase.

Get these Communists out of office.

I've never been so ashamed of 52% of my country before.

125

I recall reading the blog last week that called for just such action.  Just like the early patriots did to the Brits.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 22, 2010 10:06 AM (ucq49)

They used to do that to windows back in the day, because glass was bloody expensive. Hit em in the pocketbook was the thinking.

126 18 I fear it will be too late for my granddaughter, who has leukemia that none of us can afford to treat, but at least more American children will in future stand a chance. My stepfather lives in Britain and his prostate cancer was treated on the NHS, I never meet a Brit who doesn't love the NHS and I don't see Brits starving in the streets because they have to contribute to healthcare. I am pleased that today has come.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 09:24 AM (DBsf

Violet, I will grant the benefit of the doubt and believe your granddaughter's illness.  I will pray for her. 

Having said that, you, your family and those in Congress and the executive HAVE NO RIGHT to confiscate my earnings to pay for your granddaughter's treatment.  You HAVE NO RIGHT to that which you did not work for or earn, unless I grant you that right through charitable donations.  You HAVE NO RIGHT to deny my children and grandchildren the fruits of my labor to treat your family.  

Even granting your belief that today, your granddaughter may receive treatment otherwise denied (I don't believe that, but I'll grant your argument), you have insured that in the very near future, perhaps millions of others will suffer as a result.  Lost innovations, lost expertise, lost providers, lack of choice, and government intrusion above anything we've ever experienced.  That's a very large toll for you to exact on society as a whole to treat your granddaughter.

127 Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night.

Just the beginning.

128 I have been reading hillbuzz for almost two years. They are firmly behind kicking every Democrat out of office. They support going after the fundraisers for people like Slaughter and Stupak. They have had threats and intimidation from Dems towards them. They loathe the Democratic party now, and have spoken in favor of people like Boehner and Ryan and Palin. I believe they are totally legit and when I have some money I will support them and the Republican party and the person running against Stupak Yes, they supported Hillary, but now the support Palin. That's what the process of the nomination of the faux messiah and his election did for some Democrats. It turned us off the party that we had supported for years, and I'm still a registered Democrat.

129

Someone lied about deficits?  You mean stuff like that actually happens?

http://tinyurl.com/yz4r9e2

 

130 The UNI game was the only part of the weekend that didn't suck. Farokhmanesh!

Anyone near Milwaukee need a big dumb truck driver?  I have one available. 

131 I'm a conservative, always have been. You can stop right there.

132

Game, set, match, Violet O. However, thanks for playing, Don Pardo, do we have some parting gifts for Violet O?

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 09:54 AM (V9SYy)

 

Nicely done.  And not really rude at all.

133 Having said that, you, your family and those in Congress and the executive HAVE NO RIGHT to confiscate my earnings to pay for your granddaughter's treatment.


This.

Those coffee cans at the cash register at the donut shop collecting money to pay the hospital bills of little kids/young mothers with dread diseases?  Not a fucking dime from me until this shit is repealed.  Go ask an Obama voter. 

134
As a lifelong Republican who voted for Reagan (twice) I would like to say that I have an aunt with shingles who thinks this is a happy day in America.

And I agree.

135

Gosh Violet, that sounds like a lovely holiday! Spending time amongst the good little citizens chanting praises for the State.  Sounds like something Orwell would be proud of.  Sorry you have to spend most of your time here in yucky old America.  Speaking of yucky, what on earth are you doing hanging out with the Morons?

136 147
As a lifelong Republican who voted for Reagan (twice) I would like to say that I have an aunt with shingles who thinks this is a happy day in America.

And I agree.

Posted by: Purple I at March 22, 2010 10:14 AM (J3CA3)

Shingles? Bring her over to my place, my shed has a leaky roof. We can nail her ass up there, then she'd be useful.

137 Riots in Philadelphia last night

A few blocks from where I live. National media silent. Local media won't even mention race.

Time for me to buy a gun.

138

My granddaughter will die from leukemia, not from lack of care. She's getting care, but it's crippling us, and LLS has limited funds - everyone knows that. They've helped, as has the church, private donors, friends, schools, I've lost count. But my son and his family will still never recover financially. It's not about getting care, it's about being able to afford care at all.

 She's at stage 4 and we're preparing for her death in the next year. I'm not conerned at how spiteful people can be on the internet because we all know none of you would say any of this to anyone in my situation to their face. So be mean. It's sad, but forgiveable.

And we all know Daniel Hannan here, he's been on TV more than he ever is in Britain. Here's the leader of his own Conservative party, explaining to all those voters whose votes he needs to become British prime minister in a few weeks, why he doesn't share this majority hostility towards the NHS.

139 HillBuzz? Not so much.

I appreciate the warning (seriously), but there's no really "Hillbuzz nonsense" to stop with where I am concerned. It's the first time I've ever mentioned that site on AoS.  It was a well-written description I happened to come across and thought others would enjoy it as well.   I did not contribute any money.  I did not encourage anyone else to contribute any money.  I stopped by because I'd read that a list of Stupak's donors were being assembled, stumbled across an excellent description of the day, and passed it along.  I trust my fellow morons to discern for themselves where to click and where to donate.

140

The UNI game was the only part of the weekend that didn't suck. Farokhmanesh!

Well, glad I cheered somebody up! And just an aside, one of our local weathermen joked that half the white stuff on the ground Sat. was probably local people shredding their brackets and tossing them.

141

Hamer,

Your prayers are appreciated, thank you.

142 151

My granddaughter will die from leukemia, not from lack of care. She's getting care, but it's crippling us, and LLS has limited funds - everyone knows that. They've helped, as has the church, private donors, friends, schools, I've lost count. But my son and his family will still never recover financially. It's not about getting care, it's about being able to afford care at all.

 She's at stage 4 and we're preparing for her death in the next year. I'm not conerned at how spiteful people can be on the internet because we all know none of you would say any of this to anyone in my situation to their face. So be mean. It's sad, but forgiveable.

And we all know Daniel Hannan here, he's been on TV more than he ever is in Britain. Here's the leader of his own Conservative party, explaining to all those voters whose votes he needs to become British prime minister in a few weeks, why he doesn't share this majority hostility towards the NHS.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:16 AM (DBsf

http://tinyurl.com/y97mlpb

143

What's sad is your bullshit story, Violet.

Hitch up your granny underpants, hit the internet road and try to peddle your lies somewhere else.

144

Well, looks like McCain is shoring up his right flank with a declaration against ObamaCare.

Does he realize his opponent will say the same thing? And his opponent doesn't have a record of snuggling with Democrats?

145 Grab your coat.

Grab your gun.

Report to Gen. Washington.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!

REPEAT

THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!

146 So Violet is Andy Sterns' new moniker?

147 Gabe, would it be possible to put up a "positive remarks only" thread re Hell Care?  I don't think I can take anymore negative doom and gloom.  As Beck said, "These are the times that try men's souls.  The US Revolution was dismal defeat after dismal defeat with poor, threadbare farmers -- some armed with pitchforks --  fighting against a well-trained, well-armed army.  As I recall, we won. 

148 Did any of stupak's original bloc hold out or are they all hell bound?

149

 it's crippling us, and LLS has limited funds - everyone knows that. They've helped, as has the church, private donors, friends, schools, I've lost count. But my son and his family will still never recover financially.

That's where the bull becomes apparent in this story. If it were true, you wouldn't be complaining about the cost.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first endeavor to deceive."

150 Shingles? Bring her over to my place, my shed has a leaky roof. We can nail her ass up there, then she'd be useful.

I was thinking about voting for some Republicans next year, but seeing this kind of vile "humor" has made me think otherwise. I will now abandon my party for good. All because of you, today. I campaigned for Goldwater.

151

My granddaughter will die from leukemia, not from lack of care. She's getting care, but it's crippling us, and LLS has limited funds - everyone knows that. They've helped, as has the church, private donors, friends, schools, I've lost count. But my son and his family will still never recover financially. It's not about getting care, it's about being able to afford care at all.

 Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:16 AM (DBsf8)

Ah but see that's not what you implied in your earlier posts.  You implied lack of care.  And this bill will not change any of that.  Medicaid may not cover such catastrophic illnesses now and nothing in this bill ischanging that.  Healthcare will not become more affordable.  Unfortunately catastrophic illnesses are expensive no matter where you live or who you are.  And obviously you haven't tried everywhere or you would have been familiar with the places mentioned in other posts. 

152

153 Way scary chart that shows the vast disparity between what was initially calculated for the cost of various medical programs and what the actual reality was in billions of dollars from Reason.

I thought about posting that chart to my Facebook last night when I was disabling dipshits who think they shouldn't have to pay their own bills, but it only makes an impact on people who can do math, or give a shit about where the money comes from. 

154

Thank you Michael.

You think every family doesn't start out emptying their savings to pay for healthcare thinking the result is going to be anything but positive? I won't insult you by presuming you've never been in that position, because even if you haven't, you probably will be one day.

155 >>Someone tossed a brick through the front window of the local democrat party offices here last night

Wasn't me. I'm more into bombs, baby

156

Violet,

Sorry about your granddaughter.  Really.

I am not sorry to say that idiots like you will be the death of the country.  Really.

157 Walter Williams was on the radio this morning. He said that (say) he was walking through the park and saw and elderly woman in rags lying on a park bench drunk and in need of medical attention. He thought that the best plan would be to pull out his gun, rob everyone else as they came by and give the money to the woman to get medical treatment. However, that would still be a crime but if the govt does it, it is obamacare.

158 @152  Don't worry.  It's a good site.  I stop there once a day to see if they've come up with any new ideas.  Besides - they're on our side now, and we can use all the help we can get.

159 I was thinking about voting for some Republicans next year, but seeing this kind of vile "humor" has made me think otherwise. I will now abandon my party for good. All because of you, today. I campaigned for Goldwater.

Now that's funny.

160

Well, glad I cheered somebody up! And just an aside, one of our local weathermen joked that half the white stuff on the ground Sat. was probably local people shredding their brackets and tossing them.

 

Saturday was a welcomed distraction from all this crap.  I still had it in the back of my mind, but for a few hours, I could mostly just sit and watch the various games.  My UW Huskies beat New Mexico in fine fashion, proving all the national press wrong about the under-dog Pac-10.  And that Kansas game was fricking awesome.  All I could think of as time was winding down was Northern Iowa needs to hold on so that they can destroy Bambi's bracket.  I was so excited when that guy made that last shot for Northern Iowa.  Heh!  It made me smile, and gave me a little flashback of "Chicago is out, Chicago is out!" in my head. 

161 I was thinking about voting for some Republicans next year, but seeing this kind of vile "humor" has made me think otherwise. I will now abandon my party for good. All because of you, today. I campaigned for Goldwater.

Posted by: Purple I at March 22, 2010 10:23 AM (J3CA3)

Well that explains alot.

162

 

Posted by: Upscale Community Organizer at March 22, 2010 09:34 AM (IhHdM)

Word is that Petraeus is a social con.  No thanks.  The US already elected someone with zero experience in governing.  Time for Palin to step up to the plate.

163 I was thinking about voting for some Republicans next year, but seeing this kind of vile "humor" has made me think otherwise. I will now abandon my party for good. All because of you, today. I campaigned for Goldwater.

Posted by: Purple I at March 22, 2010 10:23 AM (J3CA3)

LOL

164 NHS....You have got be kidding...Hey loser, do you ever read the Daily Mail?.....

Patients having to call 911 to get a drink of water.  Drinking the water from vases of flowers.  Horror stories of filthy and disgusting hospitals...

They have free health care alright...One system for rich people and one for the scum...
And my dear that scum is you.

165

Violet,

If you really think that this abomination will improve anything related to health care then you have far more problems than a sick granddaughter.

 

166 Happy anniversary, American neighbours, for the date of the passing of the 1765 Stamp Act. Given yesterday's events, this reading may be enlightening.

167 Just because everyone has health insurance doesn't mean they'll get health care. You can't increase the number of insured by 30 million and not increase the number of doctors and expect the same level of service.

168   I was so excited when that guy made that last shot for Northern Iowa.

They're gonna put up shrines to him in all the bars in Cedar Falls, right next to their Kurt Warner shrines.

169 taylork, your link didn't work for me.

170

Word is that Petraeus is a social con.  No thanks.  The US already elected someone with zero experience in governing.  Time for Palin to step up to the plate.

Yes, because generals have such a lousy history of executive experience and all.

Idiot.

171 "I was thinking about voting for some Republicans next year, but seeing this kind of vile "humor" has made me think otherwise. I will now abandon my party for good. All because of you, today. I campaigned for Goldwater."

oh puh-leez stfu.

and violent, i got my small violin out and playing for your widdle sad story.

what a crock.

172 My granddaughter has prostate cancer.  But we can't afford it and socialist medical care is the only way.  Thank you for your prayers.

173

O Violet

"Iv'e never met a Brit who doesn't love the NHS"

and

here is Daniel Hanna, explaining why he doesn't share this "majority hostility to NHS"

If you just tell the truth, you would have less to try and remember.  Then you wouldn't stumble all over yourself like this.

174 Those coffee cans at the cash register at the donut shop collecting money to pay the hospital bills of little kids/young mothers with dread diseases?

I quit contributing to those when they passed SCHIP.  As I said yesterday, since I retired my largest expense is taxes and medical. I guess that will change now to medical and taxes.

175 Ah, South Street. Found the story.

176

You can't increase the number of insured by 30 50 million

Next up, the return of the comprehensive piece of shit.  Starring Lindsey Graham and the Maine Girls.  Just watch.

177 Yes, because generals have such a lousy history of executive experience and all.

Is this where we make jokes about what a great POTUS Ulysses Grant was?

Actually, I can see some parallels.  Even if there's not an out-and-out civil war, we're at least as divided, complete with huge numbers of people getting punatively taxed without representation while being mocked by a gloating underclass.

178

"My granddaughter has prostate cancer.  "

Your granddaughter is Rachel MadCow?

179 At least I've learned what a concern troll is today. I'm not one.

180

and "Mallamut",

You aren't scared of debate, are you?

181
Dr Zero say:

"Tonight, self-appointed wise men in Washington are steamrolling the objections of sixty to seventy percent of the population, and forcing a massive health-care bill down our throats “for our own good.” Presumably the backroom deals, corrupt payoffs, Congressional Budget Office accounting tricks, threats of unconstitutional parliamentary maneuvers, and betrayals of principle are also for our own good. What do you know? Banana republics turn out to be the highest evolution of government – the only form of the State equipped to take proper care of its citizens, by lying to them and trapping them in legislative cages over their howling protests."

182 100

At what point is some sort of revolt in order?

I'm as serious as a heart attack.

http://www.onlinetaxervolt.com

I'm with you. I asked this in one of the threads last night, but it got lost in the shuffle When do we start talking seriously about it?

183

Heather, I get the point--but that statement from RushBabe about "lack of governing expereince" is just silly.  Until Wes Clark reminded everyone of George McClellan, we routinely discussed four-star political ambitions.  Running an army (effectively) damn sure prepares one to be President--at least as much as Governor of Alaska (and everyone remember, I am a HUGE Palin fan).

 

184 My grandson has ovarian cancer, and obama is a god and the govt should pay for our house, car, and trip to disneyland.

185 At least I've learned what a concern troll is today. I'm not one.

Bullshit. 

186

Posted by: Purple I at March 22, 2010 10:23 AM (J3CA3)

Fuck off you lying sack of shit.

187 А при коммунизме все будет - заебись! Он наступит скоро, надо только подождать. Там все будет бесплатно, там все будет в кайф, Там, наверное, вообще не надо будет умирать. Я проснулся среди ночи и понял, что... Все идет по плану, Все идет по плану... Well, when we get communism it'll all be f***ing great. It will come soon, we just have to wait. Everything will be free there, everything will be an upper. We'll probably not even have to die. I woke up in the middle of the night and realized That everything is going according to plan. Everything is going according to plan. Yegor Letov

188 96 At least I've learned what a concern troll is today. I'm not one.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:36 AM (DBsf

and once again in this thread, you'd be full to the eyes.

189 Speaking of yesterday an update on the book "A Patriot's History of the United States" which I finished last night.

It continued on in the liberal mode up through the War Between the States and Reconstruction.  One of the truly bizarre things was their treatment of the John Adams midnight court packing and Marbury v Madison. 

The openly stated that there was no basis in the Constitution for "judicial review" but then turned around and praised it as being a good and necessary thing. They also had nothing good to say about the Jeffersonian Republicans desire for "strict construction" of the Constitution. I just don't see how they can call themselves conservatives and subscribe to the rubber Constitution theory that the leftists use.

However, once they got out of the antebellum era and past reconstruction it was like a different set of writers was contributing.  They became harcore anti-progressive conservatives and continued in that mode all the way up through Clinton.

One thing I actually learned that I didn't know before was the Clinton shutdown of the government was a planned thing BEFORE Newt's House and even started on the budget.  They had planned to hold up any budget submitted and say it was too low, shutdown certain parts of the government, and get a sympathetic press to help them blame it on Newt. And all of that had been in a memo that was discovered after the fact.  One wonders why the press never said anything about that?

So bottom line, if you are interested in History and get get past the early years it is a good read.

190 Maddogg, I think Purple I is parody.

191

188 Those coffee cans at the cash register at the donut shop collecting money to pay the hospital bills of little kids/young mothers with dread diseases

Heather, I wrote this earlier this a.m. and posted it on the Stupak thread.  I think it bears repeating:

66

I cannot sleep.  I feel absolutely ill.  Of course they are going to go for broke on all the other radical crap in their agenda (card check, amnesty, cap and trade, etc).  They are absolutely exhilarated by their evil corrupt "victory", and this now gives them the license to press on.

Tomorrow a.m., I am writing letters to almost all the charities I regularly support.  With the exception of just a few (my church, Wounded Warriors, USO, etc.) I am sending them letters that will read something like this:

"Dear______,

In the future, please save yourself the postage and the money and do not call me and do not send me any solicitations for donations requesting money.  I am currently no longer able to support you as all the money I previously set aside to contribute to organizations like yours and others will be used to try and take back my country.  The Democrat party has done egregious harm to this country that I love and is trying to irrevocably change it with its "historic vote for health care" on March 21, 2010.  I will now be donating the money that I had given to your organization and others in the past to political candidates that will try and prevent the continued downward slide of this country into socialism.  I am fairly certain that if we are not able to turn this trainwreck around, your non-profit organization as well as others will suffer even greater financial loss because of policies enacted by the Democrats.  The United States used to be the country that was the most generous in helping other countries through non-profit organizations like yours.  Americans donate to charities annually on a scale not seen in other countries.  Elections have consequences, and I'm sorry that I no longer can support your very commendable organization.  I do appreciate all the good work you've done in the past, but I need to concentrate my resources elsewhere while I still have them.

Sincerely,

192

To recap Violet's appearance:

All Brits love the NHS.  Yes, she said that.

She's always been a conservative who loves socialist health care and campaigned for Barry Goldwater...WHO HATED THE VERY IDEA OF SOCIAL SECURITY (I think she needs to read his book.).

And she apparently does not think we are willing to debate here.  OK--here you go--RESOLVED:  We can't afford this President and his plans.  Let's start there. 

 

193 Violet doesn't want to take on the AoS All American Take No Prisoners Debate Team and Bacon Lovers Club.

194 So stop asking people to leave.

195

Hundreds or thousands of people riot and the police arrest 3 people??

That is not good.

196 212 So stop asking people to leave.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:46 AM (DBsf

Don't confuse being asked to leave, with being told to fuck off and get your shine box.

197 Maddogg, I think Purple I is parody.

How dare you. My little brother's epidermis has been showing since he was born. Now he can finally get treatment, thanks to the opposing party whom I do not like at all that cares about people.

198 I love how "flash mob" is this new term for when the yoots riot. and I loved how the Inky was sure to find one South Street businessperson (a tattoo artist! of course!) to praise the wonderful rioters as "good for business." whatevs. It's gonna be a loooooong hot summer in Philly I have a feeling. we're back to the early 80s there, wow, that was a fast Renaissance.

199 Dentistry is not on the NHS...

200 mega you're killin me here lawl

201 Running an army (effectively) damn sure prepares one to be President--at least as much as Governor of Alaska (and everyone remember, I am a HUGE Palin fan).

I'll agree with that; seems the trick is picking the right general (anyone who endorsed Obama or opposed the surge is right out). 

Do generals work with the budgets?  That's pretty much all a candidate needs to win me over this morning--fiscal sanity and ruthlessness to impose it.

202 207 Maddogg, I think Purple I is parody.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 22, 2010 10:41 AM (ympF

I guess I'm just in a really bad mood. Sorry.

203 Revolt? AMEN.

The line in the sand has been drawn. I will not pay for this BS. If the supreme court does not knock this bill down as unconstitutional, let them come try to force me to pay for it.

With my shield, or on it.

204 Shouldn't you be writing a sob story for Obama to read at his signing ceremony with the Greek columns and the sneering down his nose?  Or reading to your granddaughter?  Or getting a job to help your son?

205 At least I've learned what a concern troll is today. I'm not one.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:36 AM (DBsf

You're probably one of those Think Progress assholes with a cut and paste sob story. No idea why you decided to waste your time here.

206 129:  More, please.

Taylork--where were the riots in Philly?  I live near there, and can't find any news.  Your link doesn't work.

207 The riots were on South Street on Saturday night. I'll find a link to some pics. it was thousands of young people, pushing into all the stores and restaurants, fighting, running at full tilt - awesome!

208 and it's a "flash mob," please, not a riot. got to be PEE CEE here!

209

Dentistry is not on the NHS...

Wrong...they are called called Bing and/or Google.  Try one.

Oh, and it casts a kajillion.

So, am I being rude or are you really this stupid?

210 210

You aren't scared of debate, are you?

I actually enjoy a good debate. What you have given is nothing like it. No facts, no logic, no argument, just some emotional blather. My family likes it - so it must be good. Great, my youngest daughter likes Miley Cyrus - lets give her a Grammy. And now you go to the oldest card in the world, the "your afraid to debate" card. That is also called the loser's lament. This, of course, was after the "you don't have manners" cards. Winners stick to the facts - losers try to argue side issues, like manners and fear of debating. Guess who is who, here.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 10:44 AM (V9SYy)

Violet goes down!

Violet goes down!

211 link to some pics from the flash mob on South Street (a popular shopping/dining/entertainment district near Independence Mall for non-locals): http://tinyurl.com/yaj3mg4

212

I don't know who is worse, the concern trolls, or the several regular posters that are acting as Cassandras.

I've made several snarky FB status updates, so far, no lefties have taken the bait. Don't know if that's good or bad.

213

You aren't scared of debate, are you?

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:36 AM

But you are.  I've pointed out that nothing in this healthcare bill will change anything in most states and you never replied to that.  Many posters have mentioned hospitals that would treat  leukemia for free, you never replied to that.  Do you even know what's in this bill?  This is simply an expansion of Medicaid in some states.  It won't help anyone who currently has some insurance and many who don't.  Now either explain how you think this would help your granddaughter or shut up.

214

You aren't scared of debate, are you?

 

Violet, I do believe that Mallamutt is or was a lawyer of some sort.  He is very smart, very articulate, and very informed.  Be sure you don't bring just an ham sandwhich to this gun fight.  My money's on Mallamutt (although, he's not always the best speller, and he does have a penchant for milk chocolatey ice cream...)

215

Be sure you don't bring just an ham sandwhich to this gun fight.

The preferred AOSHQ term is "sammich."

216 @150:

These flash mobs are getting pretty serious. There's one every few weeks it seems. Last year they killed a dude in a Septa station. It's only a matter of time before a potential victim pulls a gun and wastes a couple of these useless punks. Then all hell is gonna break loose, and of course it will be the gun's fault.

thank god i've only got a couple more months in this human refuse bin.

217 I have relatives in Britain, Birmingham to be specific.  My cousin needed a hysterectomy.  She couldn't even go to work when she was on her period she was in so much pain.  After TWO years of waiting she has given up. TWO YEARS.  Another aunt waited for THREE years for a new hip. In those three years she was waiting she couldn't go up and down the stairs of her own home because it caused too much pain.  Don't talk to me about Britains great health care, because it ain't there.

218 226: Nevermind, I did hear about it. That wasn't a riot, taylork--what were you thinking?  It was just a group of frisky youths out for some weekend fun.

I farking HATE Philadelphia. And actually Pennsylvania.  Don't suppose there's any hope of our A.G. challenging the bill, not in Rendel-land.

219

You aren't scared of debate, are you?

I actually enjoy a good debate. What you have given is nothing like it. No facts, no logic, no argument, just some emotional blather. My family likes it - so it must be good. Great, my youngest daughter likes Miley Cyrus - lets give her a Grammy. And now you go to the oldest card in the world, the "your afraid to debate" card. That is also called the loser's lament. This, of course, was after the "you don't have manners" cards. Winners stick to the facts - losers try to argue side issues, like manners and fear of debating. Guess who is who, here.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 10:44 AM (V9SYy)

Violet goes down!

Violet goes down!

 

VIOLET IS OUT!  VIOLET IS OUT!

220 239 - No we need those federal funds we are sinking fast here in PA. I love Pennsylvania, actually, especially my hometown of the DubC - I love it here. I'd hate to leave but we are seriously considering it. PA is on a dead-end road. too many seniors and welfare recipients for Chester, Bucks and Montgomery to pay for them all.

221

Hey guys,

I've been a friend of Violet O's for years.  I helped wallpaper her first kitchen, and I wiped her ass that year she was an invalid after she ate those bad brownies at a Goldwater rally.

I'm a true friend of hers, so you can understand why I'm concerned about her latest behavior.  I really don't think it's appropriate for her to be posting on Ace of Spades Blog.  Nothing against you fine people, but Doctors have instructed her that unless she remains in a windowless room and harvests teeth from the recently slain, they will tear out her tonsils and chop her feet off.  Implicit in all this is that she not contact the outside world, of which Ace of Spades Blog is nominally a part.

So please, please, try to convince her to stop posting here.  Otherwise the proctologist is threatening not to treat her violent and hilarious diarrhea, and she already is raw and bloody from the constant visits to the toilet.

222

whatever happens from this point is on you, not us

Well, it should be obvious by now that that doesn't bother me in the slightest. My youngest granddaugher is dying (sorry, not supposed to mention that because it's just emtional and so not relevant!). What could some self-appointed guardians of the American way say to upset me more than that? And I respect your statistics, but statistics (my husband was a statistician, coincidentally) have rolled out on this one from both sides for over a year. What am I supposed to do, pull out stats from Obama's campaign to show how much difficulty many Americans have every year affording basid healthcare? It all gets meaningless because none of the stats can be regarded as reliable. All it comes down to is, does this work for America? I pay my taxes to keep troops well equipped in Afgahnistan, I pay my taxes so the police can keep crime down, I pay my taxes towards the firefighting department, and I'm happy to do so because it makes America a better place. I don't object to tax dollars funding firefighting because I've got good smoke alarms and safe wiring in my home and no-one's allowed to smoke, while other people have fire risk homes. I do it because Americans need to know that if the worst happens we can mutually support each other through central funding. All I have left is my own family's story. I'm not asking for you to care - I'm explaining why I do.

223 I farking HATE Philadelphia. And actually Pennsylvania.  Don't suppose there's any hope of our A.G. challenging the bill, not in Rendel-land.

Posted by: dulce at March 22, 2010 10:56 AM

Nope,.  PA already has the new standard for Medicaid that this bill creates...133% of the poverty level, so they could care less.  And rumor is Fast Eddie got some extra Medicaid money to help out with the SCHIP fiasco.

224 239 226: Nevermind, I did hear about it. That wasn't a riot, taylork--what were you thinking?  It was just a group of frisky youths out for some weekend fun.

I farking HATE Philadelphia. And actually Pennsylvania.  Don't suppose there's any hope of our A.G. challenging the bill, not in Rendel-land.

 

Heh!  I moved from the frying pan into the fire--from southeastern PA to Seattle, WA.  I hate our state government with a spittle flecked passion.  Don't even get me started about our feds....

225 What time is Violet's shift up?  Does Axelrod have them working in 4 hour shifts now or the full 8 hours? 

226

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 10:59 AM (DBsf

 

Wow, something just doesn't smell right in here!  What are the chances that Violet O has a granddaughter dying of leukemia because they don't have insurance and her husband is a statistician?  Hmm....

227

239

Corbett may back away from challenging the atrocity because of his run for Governor.

Who knows what may happen after his election.

228

O Violet

Throwing EVERYTHING at the wall now.  Just to see what will stick.

229 We live right outside Philly--could be there in 20 minutes.  Haven't gone there to "enjoy" the attractions, or more importantly, to spend any money, in 15 years.  It is an ungovernable, out of control, dysfunctional excuse for a city.  We can't leave here for another 4 years, but once my husband retires, I'm out of here in a flash.  The east coast is a lost cause. 

230

Mallamutt, I think Violet has the hots for you.  She keeps ignoring everyone else.  Maybe you've attracted a stalker.  LOL

 

231

Violet, you claim that there were community and church and other fund raisers for your granddaughter.

If so, you have a promotional poster from those events with her picture on it and a bit of your family information included.

Care to share it here?

232 246 Oh, runningrn, you had to bring up the ice cream. That is o.k., I still like you, despite the fact that you have ruined, for life, on of my favorite foods.     Ha! Ha!  I did!  (I can't believe you remembered that, although, I did keep beating a quite dead horse).  Besides, I'm just thinking of you.  I am going to keep your BMI down so that when you are enrolled on the gubamint health plan, the ensuing restrictions won't be too onerous.  You'll thank me later.

233 I do it because Americans need to know that if the worst happens we can mutually support each other through central funding.

spoken like a true socialist.

234 226:
Good thing the city voted 85% for Barry, he's sure done a good job.

I love a lot of things about Philly, but i'm done. I'm done with the bums and the corruption and the culture of handouts. The local media has their heads so far up their PC white guilt asses that the gloss over real racial violence but spend a god damn month talking about a pool that supposedly wouldnt let black kids in.

Like i said, i'll be out after this summer, hope the city isn't in flames by then

235 What are the chances that Violet O has a granddaughter dying of leukemia because they don't have insurance and her husband is a statistician?

And she's bitching at us instead of caring for her family.  My nephew's been hospitalized a few times; my mother is either there or on the phone.

236

Hello, I'd like to come to a conservative blog and be the one and only person who supports what happened yesterday.

I don't expect anyone here to be mad and be pissy toward me.

I don't have any arguments about the legislation, I just want to talk about my family.

So you'll all be really polite, right? You won't be fighting mad or anything, will you? Because I don't like you fighting mad.

It's...bad for your health. Yeh, that's it. So don't be mad, m'kay?

237 251 We live right outside Philly--could be there in 20 minutes.  Haven't gone there to "enjoy" the attractions, or more importantly, to spend any money, in 15 years.  It is an ungovernable, out of control, dysfunctional excuse for a city.  We can't leave here for another 4 years, but once my husband retires, I'm out of here in a flash.  The east coast is a lost cause.          Well, it's worse on the left coast, trust me.

 

 

238

I'm warming up my arm, ready to swing the ban hammer, probably gonna be a busy day.

239

253,

Don't make me laugh sweetheart! We've had posters, we have an internet site, we've been on local radio and TV. There are people on here talking about meeting up to cause trouble, I'm not even saying which state I'm in! (but I will say that it's a blue state). With all the meanness towards me here, you think I'm going to identify my family and location? I've nothing to prove, just a point to share.

240 Canada and wait times for cancer treatment. No mention of leukemia specifically, Violet, so maybe it's treated starting within 4 weeks of diagnosis? Yeah, it was probably the exception.

241

Share the internet site then, Violet.

Prove us wrong and be vindicated.

242 Violet:

Stop feigning ignorance. You know exactly why people are being "mean" to you. You come to a conservative blog on a day when people are pissed off and disappointed and start trouble with unverifiable sob stories and well worn talking points.

You know exactly what you are doing, so stop whining or go back to thinkprogress.

243 According to Wendel "Pyramid" Goler, East Jerusalem has always been recognized by the "international community" as disputed territory.

The U.S. has never before raised hell about building stuff in Jerusalem except at the dome of the rock.

This is a BS jugeared asshole pushed issue.

The mustache is supposed to be on later to discuss this so maybe will get some more info on this.

Gena Lee is on today; teh ginger hawt!

244

If our government proposed “Universal Housing,”  what would it look like?  Think Housing Projects on Steroids.   Would the liberals be saying that we are rich enough to see that everyone gets good housing?  What would that look like?  Is it an apartment with 200 square feet per person, for everyone in the U.S.A.?  Would each unit have a dishwasher?  A Flat Screen TV with DVR?  Air Conditioning?  Or would it mean a single family home of 1400 square feet on a 5,000 square foot lot for every family of four?  What would be fair?  For those getting the housing?  For those paying for the housing?

 

Cabrini Green, 2.0!  Escalades with spinners for everyone!  Grillz for all!  Free gubamint bling--it's the new cheese!

245 With all the meanness towards me here, you think I'm going to identify my family and location?

Oh yeah, you gotta be extra careful, especially here. Your family might end up getting the dreaded BACON TREATMENT.

246 I switched my charitable giving about 18 months ago. Now I give to Soldiers Angels, an animal rescue I know personally and a bit to LWR and Salvation Army. Every time I get a solicitation from Unicef or United Way etc I toss it in the trash and say Sorry, ask a liberal for money now. --too bad for them liberals are dirt cheap with their own money, but they chose to side with the libs and I wont fund it anymore.

247

Just a link to the site, and prove that you are telling the truth, mkay?

248

Don't make me laugh sweetheart! We've had posters, we have an internet site, we've been on local radio and TV. There are people on here talking about meeting up to cause trouble, I'm not even saying which state I'm in! (but I will say that it's a blue state). With all the meanness towards me here, you think I'm going to identify my family and location? I've nothing to prove, just a point to share.

You haven't seen meanness yet, but carry on, your getting there.

249   Is it an apartment with 200 square feet per person, for everyone in the U.S.A.?  Would each unit have a dishwasher?  A Flat Screen TV with DVR?  Air Conditioning?

Cold-water walkup, one CFL, communal "waterless toilet" down the hall.  To Save Teh Planet.

Would it include ice cream, coffee, candy, prepared foods?  Would it include beer, wine, cigarettes?  Would it provide food direct or would it be an expansion of a ‘food stampÂ’ program?

Rations delivered from the communal kitchen daily.  No meat, no dairy, no fruits or vegetables that haven't been grown within 200 miles (sorry, New England, you're getting scurvy).  To Save Teh Planet.

Then there is “Universal Clothing.”  We all need underwear. 

Need, Comrade?

Prison jumpsuits.  Organic hemp, no dyes or chemical softening finishes.  To Save Teh Planet.

250 I think President Obama is doing a wonderful job, in spite of all the problems he inherited from Bush.  He's gotten the economy back on track.  The unemployment rate is down.  And he's just passed Health Care reform that will not only bring medical care to those who couldn't afford it before, but will increase jobs by 400,000, immediately.

251

From the "ah, poor baby" files:

No matter how you spin it, today is a huge loss for Progressives.

 

Posted by: Mama AJ
-------------------

I can't bear to watch the news yet, but in six weeks or so, when the Senate has decisively trashed Reconciliation, I'll go back to witness liberal heads exploding. It's going to be good. And it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of traitorous fools.

252 But by "prove you wrong" you mean "prove I have a sick granddaughter", not "prove us wrong about healthcare". I have no wish to do either, and no desire to be "vindicated". Since the internet site identifies my granddaughter and her family instantly, tracking down my son's mother wouldn't be beyond even the dimmest poster here. No thank you, happy to remain unvindicated.

253 If Petraeus thinks he's going to run as a Republican, he's got another guess coming.  His mask has been removed in his idiocy in shilling for the Palestinians.  He is a Dem, through and through, and he is totally untrustworthy.  Many may not know about him, now, but they will find out. 

254 Translation:  I'm a 27-year-old man posting this from my mother's basement, after I've been up all night eating Cheetos and playing World-of-Warcraft.

255 valuable comparison between current American healthcare and Britain’s NHS 1. U.K.’s heart-attack fatality rate is almost 20% higher than America’s 2. Angioplasties in Britain are only 21.3% as common as they are here 3. NICE ruled against the use of two drugs, Lapatinib and Sutent, that prolong the life of those with certain forms of breast and stomach cancer 4. Breast cancer in America has a 25% mortality rate; in Britain it’s almost double at 46% 5. Prostate cancer kills 19% of American and 57% of Brits 6. in 2006, a U.K-based board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took three years to get that outrageous decree reversed. 7. NICE will cut annual steroid injections for severe back pain from 60,000 to 3,000. Result? “It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky and has a 50% failure rate.” 8. Nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment 9. U.S. = 34 CT scanners per million; Britain = 8 10. U.S. = 27 MRI machines per million; Britain = 6 11. Brits wait twice as long to see a specialist than Americans 12. In U.S., recommended age for colon-cancer screening for men begins at 50. NHS starts at age 75. 13. Avastin, a drug for advanced colon cancer, is prescribed more often in the U.S. than in the U.K., by some estimates as much as 10 times more. 14. In U.K., 20% of potentially curable lung-cancer patients became incurable on the waiting list. From last year, investors.com (investor's business daily) Health Care Here And Over There 08/12/2009 Enjoy that tasty socialized medicine. You won't last long under its care.

256 262

253,

Don't make me laugh sweetheart! We've had posters, we have an internet site, we've been on local radio and TV.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 11:08 AM (DBsf

then link it, or fuck off. simple.

257 279 Translation:  I'm a 27-year-old man posting this from my mother's basement, after I've been up all night eating Cheetos and playing World-of-Warcraft.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 11:16 AM (mR7mk)

dun be hatin on wow!

258

Last night was rough. 

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall

I cried tears of sadness last night, and my mother actually had to come across the room and hold me! I was slumped over with my face in my hands.

This morning I'm crying again, with tears of determination. I'm looking up at the sky with my eyes blazing.

259

Posted by: andycanuck at March 22, 2010 11:10 AM (KdA1d)

 

And Andy, that's just for treatment.  I wonder how long it takes just to get diagnosed beforehand.  The U.S. has the highest cure rate for common cancers and the quickest time to be diagnosed.  We have more medical equipment than any other country, best axcess to care and the most highly advanced treatments.  All of this is going the way of the dodo bird, so I don't know why Violet O would have any cause to rejoice over this bill.  Americans have no idea the consequences of this bill.  We are talking entitled people who are used to instant gratification.  We are now going to be subjected to long lines, inefficiency, rationing, and less quality. 

260

Your hash contains the letters BS in the middle of it, just like you.

 

261 TEZPUR [India] (ASSAM): It's ready to explode and not just in the mouth. The 'bhut jolokia' - recognised as the hottest of spices - will pack a punch when mixed with handgrenades to deal with terrorists, as trials by Indian defence scientists have shown.

A defence spokesperson said scientists at the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in Tezpur in northern Assam were making a trial run of the hand grenades and other repellents by using the bhut jolokia.

"The chilli grenade is a non-toxic weapon and when used would force a terrorist to come out of his hideouts as the smell is so pungent that it would literally choke them," R.B. Srivastava, a senior scientist and director of the DRDO said.

262 I would think that the Hillbuzz guys would be happy.  Hillary finally gets to see socialized medicine come to this country. 

Put me firmly in the "it's a scam" column. 

263

Props, heh. At the "summit," O called his own bill a prop when the Republicans showed it to him.

Then he surrounds himself with people in lab coats.

This word "transparency." I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

264 Violet dear, you know that BarryCare won't be able to cure you of your advanced stage of stupidity. You're just too far gone.

265 Rations delivered from the communal kitchen daily.  No meat, no dairy, no fruits or vegetables that haven't been grown within 200 miles (sorry, New England, you're getting scurvy). 

Actually, that's how I would do food stamps.  No cash, no "debit" cards, no donuts and burritos at the KwikiMart--you get a bag of beans, a bag of rice, a box of dehydrated milk, a loaf of bread and some peanut butter, some canned fruits and veggies (this can be augmented by vouchers good only at the local farmer's market in season), and because I'm not completely heartless, a little bit of butter.  I'll even throw in a pot to cook the rice and beans if you don't have one.  If you want more next week, you show up next week. 

After the first week, demand would drop in half.

266 Re tax revolution: If you are an employee like me with automated withholding you can still switch to paying cash for as much as possible, especially for any small business transactions. If you write a check or pay via debit or cc the government WILL get their cut. Pay cash and let the business owner decide how much they report. But if you are stuck dealing with a liberal make sure you pay them in a manner that leaves a 'paper trail'

267
Why am I being attacked? My cousin cut himself shaving this morning and y'all are just angry that he (a hispanic immigrant gentleman) is now covered.

And last night a Republican punched me in my I.

268 Riot was off South Street from Front to as far as 17th (from what I hear).

Thanks for the corrected links, all.

269 Americans have no idea the consequences of this bill. 

Posted by: runningrn at March 22, 2010 11:19 AM (CfmlF)

That's for sure.  Only a tiny part of ShrillaryCare made it through in '93 and that one little bit served to kill the vaccination industry.  Shrillary's move on child vaccinations effectively made the federal government the main customer for vaccinations, after which the US government started throwing its weight around in negotiations.  The number of vaccine producers dropped from something like 25 to 2.  That's why we've been late getting emergency vaccines (as for the swine flu, though we were lucky that the government was just hyping up the threat for its enjoyment and to try and nurture another crisis) and why production doesn't come close to meeting demand.  If the swine flu had been real, we would have all been screwed.

Strange how no more than a couple of people have bothered to mention how ShrillaryCare destroyed the vaccine industry, as we were woefully short of swine flu shots and as this insane federal takeover of health scare was being hotly debated.

Well, the US can kiss medical advancement good-bye.  This health scare is a staticist dream and it will bring stagnation to the health care industry (as was done to the vaccination industry) and stagnation is death with respect to man's battle with the dangerous elements of Nature.  On the bright side, the rest of the world won't be able to draft off of us, anymore.

270 I'm pretty convinced that - barring monumental voter fraud (beyond what the Dems have done in recent presidential elections) - Obama is a one-term president.  He's playing to the far Left and losing all of his Indy and centrist Dem support. 

I think it's important that conservative politicians not waste too much time making the case that what's happening now (HCR, student loans, immigration, cap and trade) is "because of" Obama.  It's "because of" Congress.  If there were sensible people in the House and Senate, we wouldn't be getting force-fed a steady diet of Socialism. 

So hang it around Obama's neck, but don't be too vitriolic about it or the public's (by that I mean the Indies and Centrists) natural tendency to "personally like" Obama (and see attacks on him as racist) will kick in. 

I don't see Obama lasting 8 years, but if he did, by some chance, it wouldn't matter if he was de-fanged by taking back Congress. 

271 So the next few weeks after the Food Stamp sign goes up, a different clientèle altogether. I watch the carts, surreptitiously. Carts filled to the top. All junk. Stuff that will cut your life-span by a decade or two. Nothing fresh. No produce. Frozen crap. All junk

Yeah, don't you love how we get to subsidize their obesity and now the health care related to dealing with the obesity issues. Not to mention the fact that now that they get Uncle Same to pay for their food, they now have money for cigarettes and booze.

272

298

I didn't know that about vaccines. Wonder if that had to do with combining so many vaxes into one shot. I don't like those because I'm concerned they tax the baby's immune system too heavily. My first child reacted badly to her first, so we've insisted on separate shots for each. Those are proving hard to come by.

273  But by "prove you wrong" you mean "prove I have a sick granddaughter", not "prove us wrong about healthcare". I have no wish to do either, and no desire to be "vindicated". Since the internet site identifies my granddaughter and her family instantly, tracking down my son's mother wouldn't be beyond even the dimmest poster here. No thank you, happy to remain unvindicated.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 11:15 AM

Well I know you're still stalking Mallamutt but I have to make one more comment.  If everything you said is true it is disgusting beyond belief that you would use a terminally sick child to promote your ideas with no other reason than to post on a website and drraw attention to yourself.  And that is what you have done.  Makes you proud, doesn't it?  If you were legitimately seeking assistance most psters here would probably help you out.  But you used your "granddaughter" simply to attract attention to yourself and that is despicable.   I have grandchildren and would never use them in such a way.  Now go back to whatever you were doing, or if you really have a sick granddaughter, get off the damn computer and go see her.

274 All junk. Stuff that will cut your life-span by a decade or two. Nothing fresh. No produce. Frozen crap. All junk.

That's how I grocery shop, to be honest.  But I'm buying my own groceries and paying for my own medical care, so it's no one's fucking business. 

275 And for fun: Here's an article about Hipsters using their food stamps at fucking Whole Foods

http://tinyurl.com/create.php.

276 My progressive friend was celebrating the fact (via his Facebook page) that the weather is warm enough for him to ride his motorcycle.  Let's just say it took a hell of a lot for me to not post a comment along the lines of:  "Have fun on your bike.  And, don't forget, helmets are for chumps!" 

Every lefty I see in a crosswalk around town has a target on his punkass back.  I figure I'm going to be paying his medical bills anyway, why not hit him? 

277 now the health care related to dealing with the obesity issues.

I do get tired of this meme.  Skinny people eat junk and get diabetes and heart disease, too.  And why should fat healthy people be forced to pay for skinny drug addicts and skinny whores?

278 Re Philly riots

I expect to see these more and more.  The authorities have soft-soaped the anarchists when they riot at the summit meetings and destroy property.

Now we are getting the "undetermined yoots" rioting and being soft-soaped.  If is a proven fact that if you do not enforce the law and the uncivilized fragments of society begin to see that, soon the entire city will be overrun.

That happened in the early days of San Francisco.  That is where the term "vigilante" originated shortly after that.  What will happen is normal fed up citizens will form committees of vigilance and the lamp posts will be decorated with some of these yoots. 

Of course after that expect to see Jessie and Al screaming about racism.

279 We've traded life in the America of George Washington for life in the America of George Washington's slaves. But who cares, we get 3 hots, a cot, and free healthcare. All we have to do is work until we die. No worries there.... Pity. American Liberty was a great idea while it lasted.

280 My wallet is empty, my ass is sore, - how you all doin?

281
I do get tired of this meme.  Skinny people eat junk and get diabetes and heart disease, too.  And why should fat healthy people be forced to pay for skinny drug addicts and skinny whores?

Fair enough. But I think the point is that we're subsidizing unhealthy lifestyle choices now and will have to pay for the ill effect later too.  It's that type of shit that only a boneheaded wefare state can create.

282 306 now the health care related to dealing with the obesity issues.

I do get tired of this meme.

ME TOO!

My progressive friends are either fatties OR they're facing skin cancer from all their outdoorsy crap. 

283 Re Philly riots

I expect to see these more and more.  The authorities have soft-soaped the anarchists when they riot at the summit meetings and destroy property.

Now we are getting the "undetermined yoots" rioting and being soft-soaped.  If is a proven fact that if you do not enforce the law and the uncivilized fragments of society begin to see that, soon the entire city will be overrun

I'm seriously considering having the rest of my Tax go to a gun.

284 Fair enough. But I think the point is that we're subsidizing unhealthy lifestyle choices now and will have to pay for the ill effect later too.

But the thing is that, although there are certainly broad trends, you cannot predict what lifestyle choices will result in illnesses for particular individuals. 

Most of the younger people (30s) I know use a lot of medical services... to pay for effed-up knees from rock-climbing, running, hiking, etc.  And my free-spirited friends in their 40s (and older) are being treated for sun-related skin damage. 

Seriously, my friends who are low to moderately active and live in suburbia are in better health than my granola eating ones. 

We are all faced with uncertainty about the consequences of our choices. It's best to leave them as choices. 

285 The government will do for health care what it did for low income housing. Drive through some of the Projects for a preview.

286 What about the poor suffering people of Darfur?  Did this cease being a priority of the left? 

287 I do get tired of this meme.  Skinny people eat junk and get diabetes and heart disease, too.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 11:32 AM (mR7mk)

Don't worry. Just like the bullies they are, the statist libs will start with the fat people because they're an easy target. But there's going to be plenty of time to divide and demonize every faction of society until our diets are restricted to soy and raw vegetable crap. Cooking produces carbon, ya know.

288 The government will do for health care what it did for low income housing. Drive through some of the Projects for a preview.

Those are the scary, rundown places with a satellite dish on every window, right?

289 ...and for something different:

The Southern Poverty Law Center's "criteria" for defining a hate group makes it a hate group.  Heh!

290

Those are the scary, rundown places with a satellite dish on every window, right?

Your tax dollars at work.

291 316 What about the poor suffering people of Darfur?  Did this cease being a priority of the left?      It has for me.  Unfortunately, charities I regularly supported like World Vision and Mercy Corps will no longer be getting my hard earned money.  I'm devoting the money I would have given to charity to elect people who are going to fight this crap.  I love this country, I hate to see what's happening to it.  My charity begins at home now.  With the exception of my church and a couple of other charities like Wounded Warriors, I'm done giving.  Sorry American Heart Association, Salvation Army et al.  You do great work, but I'm done.

292 We are all faced with uncertainty about the consequences of our choices. It's best to leave them as choices.

I don't disagree. But It's f'ed up that the taxpayer ends up encouraging some of them. Why do I have to pay for food stamps that allow you to buy soda and candy and also for a healthy foods initiative for poor urban areas? It's espeically grating since WIC has limits on the type of food you can buy and those requirement could easily be transferred over to food stamps.

293 The Southern Poverty Law Center's "criteria" for defining a hate group makes it a hate group.  Heh!

LOL, I have always called them a hate group. BTW, did you know that the NCAA is still boycotting SC. None of those March Madness games here!

294 Don't worry. Just like the bullies they are, the statist libs will start with the fat people because they're an easy target.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 22, 2010 11:41 AM (J3CA3)

Have ya seen an ACORN rally?

295 The "health care" bill passed by the house yesterday was in fact, not a health care bill after all.  It was, instead, the largest redistricting bill in recorded history.  I present you with, the United States of America Greece.

http://tinyurl.com/yz5vh5u

296 @324

Yeah, it's a problem. 

We could try torturing them the way they do us by levying taxes on and requiring licensing and permits for their favorite activities.  If there are fishing and hunting fees, why not similar fees for strenuous activities that have a high risk for leading to injuries?  I like the idea of a huge governmental bureaucracy attached to rock-climbing and hiking.  Taste of their own medicine and whatnot. 

But, it probably wouldn't work.  Object lessons don't work on morons. 

297

All junk. Stuff that will cut your life-span by a decade or two.

 Hey, the sooner they get off of O'care the less taxes we'll pay.

298 321

Those are the scary, rundown places with a satellite dish on every window, right?

Your tax dollars at work.

 

 

Seriously, you people suck!  You can't expect poor people who don't work who are stuck at home all day to live a life without cable t.v.  What kind of inhumane animals are you?  God forbid you should ever be on welfare and food stamps and not be able to watch Cribs or MTV.  I hope in your afterlife, all you wingnuts meet with the same compassion and charity you dole out in this life. 

299 Notice Violet O never responded to the part about NHS actually does cover dental.

Troll for sure.

300 Why do I have to pay for food stamps that allow you to buy soda and candy and also for a healthy foods initiative for poor urban areas?

Absolutely--if someone else is paying for your food, they should get to decide what kind of food you get from them.  This is why I buy my own food. 

Bizarro world--the food I pay for with my own wages is being increasingly taxed/restricted to try to steer me toward "acceptable" choices, but if I had an EBT card, I could use it on Slurpees and nachos. And get cash for each kid in July so I could get a bigger TV.

301 BTW, did you know that the NCAA is still boycotting SC. None of those March Madness games here!

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 11:44 AM (QrA9E)

Are those douchey pricks still whining about the state flag?  Btw, did anybody notice that the NCAA tourneys were all held on generic type courts with nothing but the NCAA logo with no local identification on the hardwood?  It's like statist cocksuckers buying up every bed-and-breakfast and making them look like HoJos.

302 We could try torturing them the way they do us by levying taxes on and requiring licensing and permits for their favorite activities.

Yeah.   And I'll "share the road" with cyclists when they pay an annual fee to register their bicycle and purchase a license that allows them to ride it on a regular basis (after passing a written and riding test).  And if an accumulation of tickets for blowing through stop signs and red lights gets that license revoked.

It's never the wobbly 8-year-old kid who sprints his bike out in front of me when I have the green light, it's always a middle-aged man who shouldn't be wearing spandex and his $1500 bike.

303 Are those douchey pricks still whining about the state flag?

The NAACP has talked them into following their boycott which is based on the battle flag that was removed from the dome and placed on the grounds as part of a previous compromise.

Just shows you can not compromise with the race baiters. Personally I thing SC should sue the NCAA for extortion.

304 331 Notice Violet O never responded to the part about NHS actually does cover dental.

Troll for sure.

 

 

She didn't answer anything anyone said but Mallamutt!  (She defintely had her eye on him!)  She totally ignored my comment about every hospital that does peds has foundations that fund charity care for kids without insurance.  Her whole thing was bogus.

305 AG from SC coming on Fox to say they are going to sue!

306 I thing SC should sue the NCAA for extortion.

But not before they sue Obama and Healthscam!

307

It's never the wobbly 8-year-old kid who sprints his bike out in front of me when I have the green light, it's always a middle-aged man who shouldn't be wearing spandex and his $1500 bike.

 

So true.  While we're having the gubamint regulate things, how about laws that fine people for wearing spandex when they clearly shouldn't be?  They could have some nice PSA's sort of like the naked Peta ads, but with lycra.  Or maybe they could hire Seinfeld to do a riff on "good lycra and bad lycra."  Just a thought.

308

328  Uh, please don't -- as a horse rider I'm already under increasing scrutiny and pressure from Big Bro thanks to all the happy, shiny, bunny lovers.  Had to give up teaching lessons thanks to the insurance/liablity (and people willing to sue you at the drop of a hat); had to give up breeding, training, showing (any sort of big circuit) thanks to increased expense thanks to gas prices, liablity insurance increases (again).  I really don't want to give up my horses alltogether, but it's increasingly starting to look like that could very well happen.

I've always been happy to pay the extra insurance and/or take the risk of injury upon myself and my kids (it's a dangerous thing to do -- so you take that responsiblity upon yourself every time out).  I think that's the way it should be with any sort of activity -- know the risks, train yourself and use some common sense, live your life the way you want to.  Now it looks like I'm going to get the choice to do so taken away...for my own good.

Thanks a lot, nanny staters.

309

Deanna,

Blessings to you and your family too. Look after them and watch over them, you never know when one of the might be seriously ill.

I'd never heard of this blog before today, it was sent to me as a Twitter link. I thought it was a debating place so I made my point. I don't wish to draw attention to myself or to prove anyone wrong, just to be heard. I'm a Republican but I believe in democratic discussion. I didn't know I'd be unwelcome. Given the level of abuse sent my way before I'd even made a reply ("that's a crock of crap. no one here is going to believe that garbage", "you are a liar", "Violet O, you have clearly missed your mental health professional appointment. Your stupid is horrible waste of bandwidth", "Sorry about your grand-daughter. Maybe you didn't try hard enough. Or maybe your just full of shit", "Thank you for being much smarter than us poor, stupid, mouth-breathing conservatives", "Fuck off troll", "Fuck you Violet" - and I was told I wasn't offering an argument!), I'm hardly going to let it upset me that people here are offended by someone with a different point of view. I never told anyone to fuck off.

So your accusations of disgusting expoitation don't break me out in much of a sweat. I've done all my soul-searching, I'll probably cry again a lot more before the year is out, but I've made my peace with my savior about this for now. I didn't come here for assistance, as I say, but those who care are free to donate generously to LLS. They need it.

And thank you for showing more concern for my granddaughter than I do. I have just returned from three weeks in another state where my son's family lives so that my daughter in law can get a very little rest. My little gd is still playing and cheerful for the time being - things improve for a short time after one decides to stop all treatment. I'm a freelancer so that cost me a fortune, but I'm sure if you were in the same position you'd consider it an honour to help, and a small price to pay, too.

310

Sorry 229, I didn't see that reply.

The article you link to is about private (ie non-NHS) dentistry. Read it again.

The NHS provides free dental checks for school age children but for no-one else. Treatment always has to be paid for. The Labor government made some pledge about providing at least dental treatment on the NHS but it never happened, so instead everyone has to pay for the slightest thing. I don't consider that my problem.

311

Great website link there, Violet, for the grandchild.

Not.

You had someone say they were going to be praying for the ficticious grandchild. You are a turd to attempt to manipulate someone of goodwill that way.

Flushing Violet.

312 Violet O...Nice try but I still don't buy it.  You came on here and instead of simply debating the merits of the bill you used your grandaughter to gain sympathy.  You have not responded to much of what has been posted about this bill.  You certainly never responded to any of my other posts until I struck an obivous sore spot.  Now if you can tell us why this bill is the answer and exactly what it will do for us and your family, fine.  Other than that there is no point to your posts...excpet to draw attention to yourself. 

313

Grandparents with a dying grandchild don't complain of how much it cost them to go and see them, like you did just now.

You lie.

314

Is Violet O really Becki Coats from Kennewick, WA?

315

You're probably one of those Think Progress assholes with a cut and paste sob story. No idea why you decided to waste your time here.

Posted by: TheQuietMan

They waste their time here because they were hired out of craigslist to copypasta this bullshit at $16/hour.

Ace ... could you be kind enough to post Violet's actual IP address? I'd like to know where she is posting from.

316

Deanna, I wasn't selling. Help me out here honey: in 345 posts, why don't you point me to the ones that say something intelligent about the bill that's just been passed? I'm having trouble filtering out all the emotional, personal responses that are sometimes unacceptable, yet are sometimes perfectly okay...

I almost certainly won't be able to say anything about the bill anyway, because that's not how my brain works, but that doesn't make me stupid (or any more stupid than anyone else here whose gut response posting goes up). I have personal history, that's all. There are some who suddenly find themselves armed with a PhD in law and economics when they're hiding behind an internet monicker, but I was honest about where I was coming from from the very first post. If you wanted more from me than that, it was you drawing attention to me, not me.

317

could you be kind enough to post Violet's actual IP address? I'd like to know where she is posting from.

See what I mean?

318 279 Translation:  I'm a 27-year-old man posting this from my mother's basement, after I've been up all night eating Cheetos and playing World-of-Warcraft.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 11:16 AM (mR7mk)

You say that like it is a bad thing. LOL

319

I almost certainly won't be able to say anything about the bill anyway, because that's not how my brain works, but that doesn't make me stupid (or any more stupid than anyone else here whose gut response posting goes up). I have personal history, that's all.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 12:23 PM

And that's exactly what you did.  You praised the bill without knowing anything about it.  And yes that probably does make you more stupid than almost anyone else here. If you are going to praise something this huge and important you better be able to back it up.   Enough said.  Now I have to go to work.  Have a good day and do yourself a favor, read up on the bill before you post again.

320 Just made some fresh chicken, cut up some fresh celery and parsley, baked some rolls, egg washed half sesame seed, half poppy seed, made chicken salad with soy oil mayo, a dash of garlic, etc...


Sounds good, actually.

Cafeteria at work has some sort of grilled meat on greens every Monday; today is "Greek-marinated" steak with tomatoes, onions, roasted peppers, olives, marinated cucumbers, feta, and a vinagrette, on a bed of unidentifiable weeds.  It's not bad, although I think I would have skipped marinating the cukes.

I feel human-like for the first time since last night, when Congress decided I was a rented mule and not a free citizen.

321

If  Violet is indeed Becki Coates from Kennewick, WA, then she is a liar. 

She stated in an earlier post:

And thank you for showing more concern for my granddaughter than I do. I have just returned from three weeks in another state where my son's family lives so that my daughter in law can get a very little rest. My little gd is still playing and cheerful for the time being - things improve for a short time after one decides to stop all treatment. I'm a freelancer so that cost me a fortune, but I'm sure if you were in the same position you'd consider it an honour to help, and a small price to pay, too.

The Caring Bridge Site that Becki Coate's website directs you to in regards to her granddaughter states that the child is receiving care at the Kadlec Medical Center.  The Kadlec Medical Center is in Richland, WA.  Richland and Kennewick are 2 of the three cities that comprise the area known as Tri-Cities.  They are right next to each other, in Washington state.

322

I wonder which of us has read the bill, or read about it, more closely? I don't take too seriously the "You don't agree with me, therefore you don't understand what you're talking about" line of argument. We can all do that, if we are shameless. Of course I've read up about it, but the only thing I praised was the British NHS (which I believe is a much more radically centralized form of healthcare than this bill) and said I was personally pleased. You posted six reponses to me (whatever anyone seems to think, I never posted anything about Barry Goldwater) and only demanded, when they weren't childish insults, that I explain myself - none of your posts suggested you had the slightest idea of what the bill contains. If you do, then fine. But until then you're just waving around another internet PhD certificate.

Have a good day at work.

323 (whatever anyone seems to think, I never posted anything about Barry Goldwater)

LOL

324 Did any of stupak's original bloc hold out or are they all hell bound?

Posted by: dagny at March 22, 2010 10:22 AM (WWH4u)

Lipinski voted "No" -

325

Posted by: Purple I at March 22, 2010 12:51 PM (J3CA3)

 

You totally made me laugh!  (Although, you did raise Maddog's bp by 40 points!)

326

Good grief, I'm not Becky Coates! Since when was WA a Blue state? And someone said I was stalking!

327 that I explain myself - none of your posts suggested you had the slightest idea of what the bill contains. If you do, then fine. But until then you're just waving around another internet PhD certificate.

Have a good day at work.

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 12:48 PM

Thought I'd check before I left for the day. That is not true.  I personally did state to you what I know for a fact are some things that are in or not in the bill but you never replied.  I do know the bill.  I have researched it and read up on it.  So please do the same.  And you don't need a PhD to do it, just some time and some reading skills.   I suggest you do so.   People may be sarcastic and cynical  here but they are all well informed, which you would know if you had visited here before or at least read the past articles.   Don't bother to reply as you have nothing I want to hear since you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the issue at hand..this bill.

328

Since when was WA a Blue state? And someone said I was stalking!

 

 

Ok, you are clueless. WA has been a Blue State for a while. 

329 There's an unintentionally hilarious article in today's NYT about young adults in NYC losing jobs and unable to find them, and moving back in with Mom and Dad.  I'll bet every single goddamn one of them voted for Obama. 

330 If Petraeus thinks he's going to run as a Republican, he's got another guess coming.  His mask has been removed in his idiocy in shilling for the Palestinians.  He is a Dem, through and through, and he is totally untrustworthy.  Many may not know about him, now, but they will find out. 

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 22, 2010 11:16 AM (A46hP)

Thanks for the backup, prog, I had called him a social con, which isn't a very big deal when you consider the debt we're in.  The label I should've used was "New England conservative," in the mold of Mitt Romney.

331 362 There's an unintentionally hilarious article in today's NYT about young adults in NYC losing jobs and unable to find them, and moving back in with Mom and Dad.  I'll bet every single goddamn one of them voted for Obama.          Smart move on their part, actually.  Now they can stay on mommy and daddy's health care til they're 25. 

332

Good grief, I'm not Becky Coates! Since when was WA a Blue state? And someone said I was stalking!

Posted by: Violet O at March 22, 2010 12:56 PM (DBsf

What decade are you living in? I think senility has settled in for old Violet

333 "New England RINO conservative," in the mold of Mitt Romney.

334 Posted by: RushBabe at March 22, 2010 01:05 PM (LKkE

No problem.  I am amazed that so many people are blissfully unaware of who Petraeus really is.  He bought off a bunch of arab warlords and thinks that they are really his friends.  Petraeus knows precious little about arab culture.  He ought to read a little Ibn Khaldun.  And Petraues' anti-Israel stance is really quite disgusting and seriously dangerous.  Israel is going to be pushed to use the whole of its arsenal to defend its existence, as they have now been left totally alone, with support from no one but American conservatives, who have no power.

People will see, though.  It's a shame they can't read and find out before some more really bad shit comes down.

335 For the wealthy Morons who want to spend money before the libs take it all away, I give you...Tiger Wine. Help your arthritis with wine steeped in tiger bones.

336

First, David Petraeus is NOT going to run for President. Seriously. If he does, I'll eat the flash off my beret and post the pictures.

1. Absolute refusal to abase himself in front of the electorate. Not his style. If someone offered him the dictatorship, he'd think about it.

2. Holly (Mrs. Petraeus) will beat him to death in his sleep. She's still mad he took CENTCOM. They wanted EUCOM so he could spend some time home. He's been on the road almost nonstop since 2003.

3. The Palestinian thing is a tactical move. He deals with lots of heads of state, from the Saudis on down, who give lip service to the Palestinian issue. To be seen as a partner, and to get things we want from them, like Predator overflight rights, we have to be seen as accomodating their concern. Again, if David Petraeus gave a shit about the Palestinians in any respect other than basic human compassion, I'll eat the beret flash.

My take on this: Dave is going around trying to build his political influence just so he can get the American people to back the moves he made and will continue to make overseas. The next time he gets hauled in front of Congress to testify to people he believes are his intellectual inferiors, he wants an American insurgency calling those same Congress-critters to show support and keep the Foreign Relations Committee or the Armed Services Committee from fucking up his Kool-Aide. He doesn't like people looking over his shoulder. Dude is a born autocrat. I'm probably the only one here who worked for him (admittedly five steps down the chain of command removed). And I get some of my info from people a lot closer.

Secondly, if anyone believes anything posted by the three to five Shrillary worshippers at Hillbuzz, you deserve to be their cellmates at the loony bin. They're the ultimate dead-ender cult. Remember all that underground "PUMAs for McCain!!!" bullshit we bought into for the '08 Election? Yeah, I remember hearing about it right until the election night when they all walked the plank for the Chocolate Messiah like the good little Democrats most of them are. It's almost as dumb as believing Bart Stupak would put his principles ahead of his party affiliation.

 

 

337

#367, you're forgetting something. David Petraeus doesn't HAVE friends. That is a human weakness that the dude doesn't have. To him, the world is divided between opponents and supporters, and the supporters are graded according to loyalty.

And those lists get reshuffled on a daily basis depending who did what for him lately. Ask LTG Ben Freakley, who was his assistant division commander when Petraeus commanded the 101st.

338 Every British person I've met to discuss it has said it's wonderful. You must tell us all about the British people you know who think it's terrible, that would balance things out properly.

You are talking to one right now.  My parents hated the NHS (passed in England  after WWII by bribes and crooked numbers, and leading to 15 yrs. of conservative government when the public first experienced the NHS -- SOUND FAMILIAR?) and emigrated to the US, never to return.  Whenever they got sick, they'd thank God that they lived in America and not Britain.

If you Google "I Hate The NHS" you can read numerous accounts of the terrible waits, the half-ass treatments, the filthy hospitals and the horrifying outcomes of NHS "health care."  Most of the people who defend the NHS are socialists and communists who dislike the Conservative Party and free enterprise so much that they'll willfully ignore the NHS's poor record, just so they won't have to agree with the Tories.  Again, sound familiar?

339 WA has been blue at least since the stolen governor's race.

Guess which party stole it, and win a prize!

340 To him, the world is divided between opponents and supporters, and the supporters are graded according to loyalty.

Posted by: SGT Dan at March 22, 2010 01:58 PM (GgXZc)

If that's true then Petreaus should understand that there is no such concept as "loyalty" in the arab world.  There never has been. That's why one can have a staunch arab ally for decades ... only to turn around one day and find a knife in his back, for no discernible reason.  The history of the area and those cultures is replete with such examples and Westerners genrally have a very difficult time coming to grips with such odd personalities.  That's why I recommended a little Ibn Khaldun.  The arabs have been this way for a long, long time.  It is an artifact of nomadic desert life, which is what their cultures sprang from.

341

#373, I'm pretty sure he's on that. I forget the name of "Big Dave"'s Arabist advisor, but he's been with him for years which speaks to his competence. Dave would fire his own mom if she was having a bad week.

You can generally trust them not so much as to "stay bought" but act in their own interests, which may differ wildly from yours. And lets not forget the regional variations. I'd trust an Iraqi further than I would trust a Saudi or a Yemeni. And the CENTCOM AOR involves a lot of non-Arab Muslims as well. I doubt I'd waste my time listening to a Chechen lie to me.

342 You are a puzzling woman Deanna. You complain at least twice that I wasn't replying to you, thinking that your posts were so important that ignoring them was a sign of fear until you "hit on an obvious sore point" (er, no), and then when I reply you tell me not to. I dropped in to make a modest point, not to get insulted, if anyone really thought I was a troll I thought the usual rule was do not feed. I look in to see what has happened to the debate and find I am told to fuck off. Fair enough. It doesn't matter to me. But if you don't want to continue the conversation, why don't you not reply?

343

Give the sleazy little mutherfucker points for honesty.

Al Sharpton: 'Obama Voters Wanted Socialism'

Hat Tip to NewsBusters.

Sharpton, the founder of the National Action Network and talk radio host told Fox News on March 21, during their special coverage of the House of Representatives’ passage of health care reform legislation, this victory for President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would begin “transforming” the country.

……“First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama,” Sharpton said. “Let’s not act as though the president didn’t tell the American people – the president offered the American people health reform when he ran. He was overwhelmingly elected running on that and he has delivered what he promised.”

Despite polling showing otherwise leading up to the momentous occasion of the vote on health care reform, the claim this goes against the wishes of the American people is false based on the 2008 presidential election.
http://tinyurl.com/yehozcl

Conservatives, libertarians, and political/military bloggers were screaming about this throughout the entire campaign. When we started digging around into ObamaÂ’s background, friends, associates, ideology, and the organizations to which he belonged, his socialist/Marxist/Alinskyite philosophy was right there, in no uncertain terms. Look at all the videos of his speeches to ACORN. Read the information on the Annenberg Foundation. Read the blurbs from his books (ghostwritten by Bill Ayers) which lay out every single premise he wanted to put into policy if he ever got the chance.

Well, he not only got that chance thanks to liberal and minority tools, but heÂ’s putting those into action.

How’s that “change” working out for ya?

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