July 26, 2010
— Ace No, I'm not double-posting accidentally -- I know Slublog covered this below.
A couple of points I'd make:
First, a lot of these guys say "leave this alone, no good can come of it" before going into a "but if it's true..." scenario, and it's usually the "if it's true..." scenario that has the most attention lavished on it.
Second: Is the MFM going to cover this? They certainly squealed a lot when some right wingers (almost none in the commentariat) gave credence to the birth certificate conspiracy theory.
But here is the creme de la creme of young liberal thought-leaders (well, maybe not creme de la creme, but chosen by Ezra Klein of the Washington Post as being important seriously discussing the ramifications if the wackiest conspiracy theory since 9/11 Trutherism (and maybe wackier than that) is true or not.
I like Slublog's point: Maybe Andrew Sullivan continues to push this despite putative damage to his reputation among the liberal chattering class because in fact there is no damage to his reputation among the liberal chattering class about it; they're all around 50% on board with it, and repeatedly say "However, if some reporter thinks this rumor is worth investigating further, and he or she absolutely nails this story, that would be great."
I submit that based on these emails, the liberal chattering class does sort of believe this, or at least isn't terribly interested in dissuading others from investigating -- after all, if someone should happen to "nail this story," then "that would be great."
So is this why the MFM refuses to note that the left is taken with bizarre conspiracy theories of their own? Because to the MFM as a whole the conspiracy theory seems like it's sort of maybe true?
As Bob Shieffer (aka Bot Shieffert) said, they won't publish "unless they think a story is true." Well, if they think Trig Trutherism might be true -- and it sure seems that about half of them do, but refrain from saying so publicly purely for prudential, careerist reasons -- then I guess they wouldn't be able to expose this insanity for what it is.
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Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 09:57 AM (wuv1c)
Even giving "eh, maybe" consideration to an Edge of Night reject plot like this is completely fucking insane.
"But but...Bobby Darin! Jack Nicholson!"
That's not the same story. And it's not the damn '40s.
Posted by: oblig. at July 26, 2010 09:59 AM (x7Ao8)
Posted by: alexthedude at July 26, 2010 10:00 AM (rqsPh)
Sure, let's discuss Palin's uterus.
While we're at it can we discuss Obama's, umm, sexual proclivities?
*wink wink*
No? Oh right. Because there's no evidence. Only hearsay (which is far more than some crackpot theory these asswipes concocted).
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 26, 2010 10:02 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 26, 2010 10:02 AM (usjNq)
Accidental busty lesbian pron links and double-posts = wicked funny
Intentional busty lesbian pron links and double-posts = creepy and pedestrian
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 26, 2010 10:03 AM (P9+0W)
Posted by: alexthedude at July 26, 2010 10:03 AM (rqsPh)
Conservative media: The Certificate of Live Birth clearly shows that Trig is the son of Sarah Palin.
Liberal MFM: We will not accept the Certificate of Live Birth, we want to see the actual Birth Certificate with the footprint and shit.
Wait, What?
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 26, 2010 10:04 AM (YVZlY)
The difference is that it matters if Obama is not a natural born citizen and it doesn't matter in the slightest if Bristol managed to be pregnant with 2 babies at once--except to the ob believe-it-or-not records.
So why bother other than to just be a loony lefty douchefuck?
Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 10:04 AM (jfpP5)
Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2010 10:05 AM (7AOgy)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 26, 2010 10:05 AM (xO+6C)
Posted by: lobotomist at July 26, 2010 10:06 AM (UsjBj)
So is this why the MFM refuses to note that the left is taken with bizarre conspiracy theories of their own? Because to the MFM as a whole the conspiracy theory seems like it's sort of maybe true?
Bing-fucking-O.
You'll hear more denunciation of Birthers from both the left and the right than you'll ever hear of Truthers (9/11 or Trig).
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 10:06 AM (ZJ/un)
Posted by: curious at July 26, 2010 10:07 AM (p302b)
I think "aqueducts" is the wrong word. Clean, drinkable water flowed through aqueducts. I think the press compares better to the Cloaca Maxima.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 10:09 AM (ZJ/un)
Posted by: lobotomist at July 26, 2010 02:06 PM (UsjBj)
Sure - because now he can say, "Hey, I moved on already -- it's the RIGHT that's bringing it back up!"
Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2010 10:09 AM (7AOgy)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 26, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)
Are you currently standing near a plate glass window?
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 26, 2010 10:10 AM (YVZlY)
Got it in one. That's why the "what they don't cover" part of media bias is so nasty. They can't be blamed for not giving the truth about something they never speak about.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 10:10 AM (ZJ/un)
Andi knows his audience and will continue his zany antics until they fail.
Think Jerry Lewis in "Hardly Working"...
Posted by: sven10077 at July 26, 2010 10:12 AM (kq1lG)
Posted by: maddogg at July 26, 2010 10:14 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: alexthedude at July 26, 2010 10:14 AM (rqsPh)
The Washington Post insists that the Journolist stuff is a right wing conspiracy BECAUSE THE RIGHT WING IS COVERING IT!
LINK: http://tinyurl.com/28sxnwl
The commentors need some correction too, if you're so inclined.
Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 10:15 AM (jfpP5)
No one. But the left is not in their right minds.
Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 02:11 PM (IhHdM)"
That's the point right there. That guy has been willing to say anything to anyone against sarah palin and his own GF and his own kid, for money, anything. If he had credible information that this was in fact true, he would have hit the lottery with the enquirer.
Posted by: curious at July 26, 2010 10:15 AM (p302b)
28 Curious,
quite if he thought he could make a nickle off it he'd claim he knocked Sarah up unless I miss my guess.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 26, 2010 10:19 AM (kq1lG)
Posted by: maddogg at July 26, 2010 02:14 PM (OlN4e)
Bullshit! What about my uterus?
Posted by: Octomom at July 26, 2010 10:19 AM (YVZlY)
Posted by: maverick muse at July 26, 2010 10:19 AM (H+LJc)
Posted by: maverick muse at July 26, 2010 10:20 AM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at July 26, 2010 10:22 AM (AenIX)
Posted by: Today's Stock Market at July 26, 2010 10:22 AM (YVZlY)
Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at July 26, 2010 10:23 AM (AenIX)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 26, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)
Did you see that little crapweasel on the video at DC? Could you imagine him in a real fight? I still wish Ledeen would go and find him just to watch him piss his pants.
Posted by: Hedgehog at July 26, 2010 10:24 AM (oQIfB)
Posted by: Art Bell at July 26, 2010 10:28 AM (AenIX)
Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 10:29 AM (jfpP5)
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2010 10:31 AM (xsupj)
The difference with Milky Loads is that he kept pushing it AFTER he knew that a faked pregnancy would require Bristol to give birth twice in seven months.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 11:05 AM (U97wT)
Don't know if this has been covered but the incidence of birth defects such as Down's and miscarriages goes up radically not only if a woman reaches the age of 44 but also if she's had numerous other children, like say five.
With that in mind Sarah Palin's chance of having a Down's baby may have risen to 1 in 20, or even 1 in 15.
As for woman not being able to conceive after age 40 -- must be the explanation for my mother having a hysterectomy after having a child at age 41
Posted by: Call me Lennie at July 26, 2010 11:07 AM (r/5/5)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 03:05 PM (U97wT)
What you wanna go an' do that for? When have THEY ever been fair to US?
See, by forcing THEM to make the point about two births in seven months in their own defense, you make them voice the proof that Andi Sullivan is a nutbag even in THEIR eyes. (That is, if they don't actually agree with him.)
Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2010 11:08 AM (7AOgy)
The conspiracy theory is less nutty if it doesn't require you to explain two births in seven months.
Just like JIF would be far less nutty if you just removed all the peanuts from it first. But of course there's really not much left to it if you do.
This BS with Trig being Bristols son is complete and total nonsense, always has been, always will be - the hospital where he was born in Texas confirms he is Sarah's son.
The notion that the hospital staff would lie, falsify official state documents like a birth certificate are absolutely ludicrous.
The rest of their case is based on half truth, conjecture and pretty much total bullshit.
Funny though how the same media that is screaming about having all your facts 100% checked out prior to running the story were the same media pushing this load of bushwa (another word revived in honor of Ace) without checking squat. In fact they kept reporting that it "might" be true so much knowing full well that even if it was total crap if they just repeated it enough some idiots would believe it to be true regardless of the facts.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 11:41 AM (e8T35)
And yes, I know I am applying reason where those on the other side have none.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at July 26, 2010 11:43 AM (MVcnm)
While we're at it can we discuss Obama's, umm, sexual proclivities?
Wow.. ick.. on second thought can we just skip this part? I mean the best that can be said for the guy is that he's humping the wookie. Yikes. And that's the least repulsive thing he might me doing.
So, please, lets not talk about it, and for heavens sake nobody post video!
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 11:43 AM (e8T35)
It's almost as if they think she would be more conservative or something.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 26, 2010 11:53 AM (dUOK+)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 03:41 PM (e8T35)
The birth did not take place in Texas. She cut short her speech at the conference with Rick Perry, jumped on a plane and flew from Houston to Anchorage.
That is the basis of much of the lefty conspiracy, that there is no way she should have flown back home, any good mother would have just gone to a Houston hospital, way too risky, Alan Colmes was one who implied she caused the Down Syndrome by doing this.
Regardless, the kid was born in Alaska.
Incidentally, the legendary women's NCAA basketball coach at U Tennessee, Pat Summit, told a story where she did something similar.
She was out of state, in Texas I think, and started labor.
She said hell no, my kid will be born a Tennessean and hauled ass back home to have the baby there.
Nobody said anything was wrong with that.
Posted by: Brian72 at July 26, 2010 11:55 AM (GNBk5)
This attitude stems from what I like to call the "Hollywoodization" of labor. You know, the woman's water breaks or she has the faintest of contractions, she's immediately rushed to the hospital, and baby pops out moments later. In real life, it doesn't happen like that. In fact, I think the only movie that is even remotely realistic in this regard is Knocked Up.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at July 26, 2010 12:03 PM (MVcnm)
There are several quite hetero ex-military fellas at my place of employment who really like Madmen. I'm sure they're reminiscing about a time when men were men and women were supposed to shut the hell up.
Personally, I love everything about the show. I wouldn't have wanted to be a single woman trying to work in that world, but it's a fantastic show.
Posted by: jmflynny at July 26, 2010 12:22 PM (v+ZxY)
Labor, law enforcement, war, relationships
All neatly solved in 30min or 1 hour, minus commercial time.
Posted by: Brian72 at July 26, 2010 12:23 PM (GNBk5)
Did someone say nutbag? Mmm-mmm.
Posted by: Obstetrician-General Sir Andrew S. Sullivan, Esq., O.B.E., W.T.F. at July 26, 2010 01:36 PM (mAm+G)
And that's why I still proclaim myself a conservative. Liberals don't have any balls. And I gots to have me some balls.
Posted by: Obstetrician-General Sir Andrew S. Sullivan, Esq., O.B.E., W.T.F. at July 26, 2010 01:49 PM (mAm+G)
Posted by: Dw Pepper at July 26, 2010 03:54 PM (7sLhO)
Doesn't this clear up Palin's hestitant nonanswer to Katie Couric about what newpapers and magazines she reads? Why would Palin give credence to any media source that employs these cretins?
Posted by: mizzou at July 26, 2010 04:34 PM (O3WG0)
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