1 Trying to earn the Red Wings, eh!

2 Pistole is an asshole. Getting real tired of seeing that arrogant prick tell us to shutup and go fuck ourselves, because he knows what's best! This jagoff is almost, ALMOST as qualified as Brennan, another shining example of Obama leadership Got some travel to be done soon. Be doing it with the personal chariot. Who needs this crapola.

3 You don't have to do the pat downs or scanners they can't make you but if you don't know that they try to intimidate you. article 4 constitution says they have to have search warrant signed by a Judge. Tell them to stuff it.

4 This is what some people are thinking.

5 History is replete with examples of military failure caused by trying to fight the last war. These assholes are trying to stop the underwear bomber? Well, they're late to that party. Will these new procedures stop the next attack? Of course not. It's getting harder everyday to give this administration the benefit of the doubt: that they are just fucking stupid; and not intentionally trying fuck up the country. We're so screwed.

6 The answer is simple, first stop flying.

Second write letters to your congressman demanding that the DHS and particular TSA be eliminated and everyone fired.

Third, never vote for a Democrat again EVER.

Fourth, once all the Democrats are eliminate start eliminating RINOs.

7 First, I wish all the M&M's and all those awesome people who serve in our military (and their family and loved ones) a very happy Thanksgiving.  As for the TSA may they rot in hell.  
"Canadians outraged: Veiled Muslim women not required to lift veil, prove ID at airports"

8 With Ace on holidays is anyone keeping an eye on the site meter count.  That thing is liable to tick over 100 million sometime next week.  So, who's going to be the 100 millionth reader?  And what's the prize?  A signed ewok poster?

9 My gut tells me there is more to this then meets the eye.
Not sure what the motive is, maybe conditioning for future events or maybe payback for the election.
Maybe they are just looking for push back so they can use it against the people.
There are many possibilities but security isn't one of them.

10 "Canadians outraged: Veiled Muslim women not required to lift veil, prove ID at airports"

France has it right.  Ban the damned things. 

And I hate that we have come to the point where the French are the ones we are looking to.

11 This may seem a dumb question, but why do the scanners even need to create an image at all?  It seems as though if the software detected an anomaly, it could simply produce a pop-up alert. Or something.

It similarly seems that if the anomaly can be readily explained by something innocuous like a belt, or something like a prosthetic that can be easily verified, then the "pat down" could be bypassed for all but a few passengers who have other suspicious characteristics.

It seems completely asinine that we assume everybody who gets on a plane could be a terrorist, while simultaneously assuming everybody who illegally crosses the border just wants to be  a housemaid.

12 it won't be stopped until some post op tranny's stitches are pulled out.......

13 happy thanksgiving btw

14

Without blinking an eye she reached over, pulled up my shirt, and began to feel under my bra. I was in front of everyone, and I yelled at her stop.

sTevo, TSA is only now instituting what had been practiced in parts of Europe for some time.  We were at Frankfurt (Germany) airport in 2003 about to board a Lufthansa flight to New York when we went through a similar screening.  A female security agent, in full view of other passengers, followed the outline of my bra.  It felt as if she was about to yank out the underwire to have a closer look.  Next, she asked my daughter to undo my one year old granddaughter's diaper to see inside.  And no, we were not singled out, everyone had to go through it.  At the time September 11 was still fresh in people's minds and I didn't hear anyone complain.

15 What's funny is realizing that all that happened was that some one in Yemen put a few packages in the mail. Next thing you know, we're patting down vaginas! Considering just how much can fit inside one, why stop on the outside? NO! SERIOUSLY! your vagina is so potentially dangerous, ladies, should not the INTERIOR be checked? The fact the government won't do thst shows clearly what a joke this is.

16 12 gregory of yardale you are a genius! really!

17

It seems that it's ok that some people are humiliated in order to maintain security.

Since that it the case, could we please use profiling to humiliate the more likely terrorists?  At least there's probably cause.

18 goddess! happy thanksgiving!

19 your vagina is so potentially dangerous, ladies, should not the INTERIOR be checked?

Dangerous enough to insist that women be restricted to the domestic areas of homes and escorted by male security overseers when they must leave their homes?

20

{phoenixgirl}

And to you!  I'm about to go make a pumpkin pie, but I'll be sneaking peeks at my favorte sites throught the day.

21  Next thing you know, we're patting down vaginas!

Considering just how much can fit inside one, why stop on the outside? NO! SERIOUSLY!

Yes, those things have been knows to secrete packages from 5 to 11 pounds in weight and sometimes even heavier.

22 OT update on Ace's vacation activities

Gets Busted

23 Happy Thanksgiving, ace-ettos & -ettas

24 ...one of drudge's links came to a point where people tweeted that the TSA machines had been roped off at some airports, no full body scan or pat downs and only 10 minutes in line getting through security.

...the anonymous menstruating woman vet story is also posted on the product's website. 

 

25 This is the same government that lets people flood in from Mexico with complete freedom and then offers them tea and crumpets when they get here.

26 Oh, in case I forget: Happy Thanksgiving Everybody! I hope none of you are alone today; but if you have to be, I hope this site gives you assurance you are nevertheless amongst friends.

27 @26: that's the ultimate irony. Who's patting down illegals? And don't you just know that if some illegal alien has het vajajay patted down, freaking Amnesty International would scream bloody murder over it.

28 Happy Thanksgiving to all teh morons/ettes. May your turkey day be filled with good food and the company of great friends and family.

29 Happy Thanksgiving, all of ya'll. And God bless America.

30 I was cookin' all day yesterday.....what'd I miss?  And hurry cuz I have to go back to the kitchen soon.

31 Pistole is the Homeland Security [former FBI] version of Robert Gibbs. Also, he was the THIRD choice to head the TSA, and the first of the choices not to have a shaky background.

32 sooooooo what's going on with korea right now?

33 OT... if there is such a thing... but I see the final flight of the Space Shuttle has been delayed yet again because yet another technical issue has arisen. I do understand NASA on this: no one wants the Space Shuttle to conclude with a third explosion. Maybe they should just throw in the towel and call the whole thing off altogether?

34 Posted by: CoolCzech at November 25, 2010 08:04 AM

Awesome sentiment Czech.  Happy Thanksgiving everyone  ...well except John Pistole ...not feeling it for that pud.  Anyway got to get to cooking.

35 Your thanksgiving update from James Wesley Rawles of Survival Blog:

DHS & TSA: Making a list, checking it twice. Here is a quote: "The terminology contained within the reported memo is indeed troubling. It labels any person who “interferes” with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, “including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day” as a “domestic extremist.” The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures." Hang on there Janet, I do object, and I encourage my readers to object, protest, and be civilly disobedient. So go ahead and put me on your stinkin' list. Oh, and I noticed that your department cleverly worded the memo to exempt anyone in the mainstream media. So Katie Couric can object without any worries, but if I do, then I will be labeled a “domestic extremist”? The statist bias of the DHS is so transparent that its pathetic!

36 <i>All women travelers should wear panty liners in protest.</i>

Uhh, no, what men and women travelers should do is either find some other mode of transportation or not travel at all. To hell with Sean Hannity, boycott the damn airlines if you want to change things. And if they and the government still refuse to see reason and adopt a profiling policy, or something else that works, and is fair, then let their asses go bankrupt.

See, here's the way life works. When you're being oppressed, you have to attack the oppressor where it hurts. In this case, that would be their bottom line. If the original American revolutionaries had refused to do everything they could to defeat the British because it might put a few American merchants out of business we would still be British subjects.

37 Happy Thanksgiving all!

Going to see Harry Potter after dinner tonight.. sounded like a god plan at the time... but now that I think about it, I'm wondering how well I'll do in a dark theatre with a comfy seat while fighting that tryptophan induced coma!

38 @40: personally, I think the burrqa needs to be banned for security reasons. If I walk into a bank wearing a ski mask, I'll likely be arrested if not shot. If I walk in wearing a burqa, everyone is down with that? That's insane.

39 42 Happy Thanksgiving all! Going to see Harry Potter after dinner tonight.. sounded like a god plan at the time... Don't blame ME for 7 or 8 or whatever the hell it is episodes of that shit!

40 We're having my mom over and the the minister (& family) over that married us in Korea way, way back in 1986 in a little country church amongst the rice paddies of Toko Ri. How cool is that?! 24 years ago when I was a wee lad of 23... where the hell have those years gone? I don't feel like I'm any older... and the scary thing is, the older you get the faster the years seem to whiz by. Honestly, doesn't it feel like we just HAD New Year's 2010? Doesn't the Year 2000 seem like yesterday??

41 The more the TSA violates the traveling masses, and the more the airlines continue to screw up and take it the better.  More job security for me on the charter side of aviation.  If people can afford it, they're doing it.  Charter flying has picked up tremendously over the last few months.  No security (for now), catered meals, no lines, talk on your cell phone all you want. 

42

24 years ago when I was a wee lad of 23... where the hell have those years gone? I don't feel like I'm any older... and the scary thing is, the older you get the faster the years seem to whiz by. Honestly, doesn't it feel like we just HAD New Year's 2010? Doesn't the Year 2000 seem like yesterday??

 

there is a reason for that.

When your ten years old  a year is 10% of your life. So it seems much longer.

Whereas when you 47 a year is 2% of your life.  If my math is right.

So it doesn't just feel shorter, it is shorter from your perspective.

43 I know I am stretching the analogy, but I am amazed that the TSA can find hundreds of sadist/pervert types that can follow their orders and grope and demean their fellow citiziens because Janet incompetano has told them to. 

Then I remember that there wasn't a shortage of guards at the concentration camps.  Chairman Mao and Pol Pot didn't have trouble hiring either.

What more will it take for the sheeple to rebel?

The death of liberty begins with a simple feel!

44

Happy Thanksgiving!

Doesn't the Year 2000 seem like yesterday??~CoolCzech

Yeah, but Val-U-Rite only affects the short term memory.

45

know I am stretching the analogy, but I am amazed that the TSA can find hundreds of sadist/pervert types that can follow their orders and grope and demean their fellow citiziens because Janet incompetano has told them to. 

there are what some 80 million Germans who would jump at the chance.

They'll also poop on your chest  if you let them video tape it

46

where the hell have those years gone?

CoolCzech, I'm sure I don't know.  The last time I turned to look back it was 1981 and suddenly it's 29 years later.  I suppose I should be thankful that all those years ago I didn't turn into a pillar of salt. 

47 47 So your wife was one of The Brides At Toko-Ri, CC? Was William Holden your best man? Posted by: andycanuck at November 25, 2010 09:06 AM (ocvEI) Actually, the movie is The Bridges of Toko-Ri, and that's a really misleading movie because really there aren't any bridges there, except for the road going over a fairly small, very shallow brook. I think the Hollywood writers just needed a place name, and some returning vet remembered a village called "Toko-Ri." When I was stationed there in 1885/86, you could still see the older Korean women doing their laundry in that stream, pounding their clothes with rocks. Now a four lane highway runs thru the middle of town, and everyone has washing machines and dryers. It's just amazing how much that country has changed for the better.

48

where the hell have those years gone?

CoolCzech, I'm sure I don't know.  The last time I turned to look back it was 1981 and suddenly it's 29 years later.  I suppose I should be thankful that all those years ago I didn't turn into a pillar of salt. 

I still can't believe I graduated from highschool 8 years ago. I swear to god it feels like yesterday. I get spellbound when i run into kids who graduated from my highschool after me. It's as though i thought time would stop there and there would be no classes after mine.

Even worse is the feeling that there are 18-19 year olds were born after the Soviet Union collapsed.

49 @49: I also read somewhere that the human perception of time is sensitive to temperature: the warmer you feel, the faster time seems to go. And as we get older, we tend to feel a given temperature is warmer than when we were younger. It's a rigged game, and we are screwed.

50

I know I am stretching the analogy, but I am amazed that the TSA can find hundreds of sadist/pervert types that can follow their orders and grope and demean their fellow citiziens because Janet incompetano has told them to. 

The people who would unquestioningly believe in AGW form a large pool of potential StormTrooper/Camp Guards.

They believe dangerous nonsense because they are predisposed to believe it.

51 @55: well let me scare you, Ben: I'm coming up on my 30th High School reunion, and it's like yesterday that we had our 10th. The older you get, the faster the years fly by.

52 @54: Oh, I meant I was there in Korea in NINETEEN Eighty Five. I'm not THAT old, lol.

53 Pistole is such an arogant twerp.  Saw an interview with Juan Williams and Pistole dodged the question about why the TSA won't profile for terrorists instead of treating everybody like a terrorist.

54 I still can't believe I graduated from highschool 8 years ago.

LOL, I can't remember back that far. I got a notice from the old HS reunion committee from home a few months ago for a mega-reunion for the graduating classes of the decade 1960 to 1970.

55

It's not the heat.  It's the humidity.  You sweat more as you age.

 

brining the funneh.

56 Why hasn't someone started the whole "Taking this to court" process?

57 Stop whining, its for everyone's own good.

58 To be honest, John Pistole does not strike me as any more psycho than some of the people who are having hissy fits about all this. Talk about hysterical.

Somewhere between 1 and 2 million people go through airport security every day...no doubt some strange things will happen...but it is not as if Pistole is going out there and dragging people into airports just so TSA employees can grab their asses.

I am not a liberal, I am not a Democrat and apparently I am not a libertarian either...but I actually have gone through a scanner and I survived to tell about it.

59 If a cop body searched a bicycle-riding-axe-wielding meth addict at 3am in the morning the ACLU would be all over them. Oh wait, that really did happen.

But its okay to inspect a woman's panty liner without cause.

/boggle

60 Speaking of age, I discovered yesterday that my 20 year old daughter, a physics major, had no idea what a slide rule was!  Seemed weird, but it makes perfect sense.

61 Well we could do what the Israelis do and then they could stop your car before you even get to the terminal and check it out along with the driver of course. After you get in the terminal, they will demand your documents and then do a background check on you while you are being interviewed or interrogated as it were by Israeli security people...after that if they decide you are okay they will send you on through the metal detector...if not, they will continue with physical searches and more interrogation. If you mouth off, cop an attitude or claim that your rights are being violated they will not give a damn..and eventually if they are willing to let you get on the plane, you get to fly out of there.

Of course their largest airport is smaller by far than any major  airport in this country and it would be physically impossible to duplicate their system in this country just due to the sheer volume of travelers we have...it is also true that there are legal and cultural differences that would make it difficult as well.

I am sure that silly things happen in airport security every day and I am also sure that there are things they could do to make it easier and more comfortable for travelers...but most people just want to get where they are going in one piece and if they don't want to deal with security in airports they travel some other way. Like grownups.

62 Soon, very soon, they will be sticking fingers inside of vaginas.  Gloves will be worn, though.

63 Remember flatulence is  your  best friend when being groped by a TSA agent.

64

LOL, I can't remember back that far. I got a notice from the old HS reunion committee from home a few months ago for a mega-reunion for the graduating classes of the decade 1960 to 1970.

OK Vic, you win.  I was in elementary school then though I love the music from the era.  I've been trying to bring myself up to speed with the current music but it just lacks melody.  Strangely enough, I find that Lady Gaga, steak dress notwithstanding, isn't bad though Taylor Swift bores me to tears.

65 36, I've seen enough steep ascents to say that it could have been a liner doing such (Spent the first 10 years of my life living literally under either a takeoff vector or approach vector to a runway...yay USAF family; and another 5 or so close enough to see a constant stream of planes going up and down).

It's just not very common, because the atmospheric conditions have to be just right for it to happen.  Usually wind at different layers is too high and going in varying directions for a trail to stick around like that.

66 Fuck you Incompetano and Pistole.  May your MANY years in Federal Prison (please God, please) be full of searches, counts and everything you bastards are trying to do to us non convicts.  Oh and a lifetime designation as Sex offenders and some mean as hell psychotic cell mates. 

67 I'll be flying to Vegas at the beginning of December.  I'll be taking the pat down over the scanner because I'm that paranoid.
The best part is I'm also a woman and that blessed event will be starting around the time I'm flying out.
Sweet.....

68 "Posted by: Terrye at November 25, 2010 09:57 AM (tYKoa)"

Here's the thing:  Everyone is saying that the Israeli system is untenable here because of the sheer size difference.  I'm not disagreeing, but there's this thing called "thinking outside of the box" that is not being done.
The Israeli system could (and should) be used in every airport, but it needs to be used in varying ways.  There's nothing in the books that say that every system has to be applied in exactly the same manner.  Example:  a flight out of Montana probably doesn't need the same amount of scrutiny that a flight out of New York.
I've been through Israeli security several times.  It's a pain, but it gets the job done.

No where have the TSA been able to prove that the scans or enhanced pat downs have found any bombs or terrorist threats.  All they've shown is that they are a bunch of insensitive assholes who can't use their brains about who is a threat and who is not.  They refuse to think outside of their little owner's manual and airlines are going to suffer for it.  They refuse to figure out other ways to get the job done except to act like totalitarian jerkwads.
Oh, I'll still fly places, but everyone better understand that it's the last fucking thing I want to do at this point.

69 I suggest passive resistance. Eat lots of beans. Don't shower. If you feel the urge to fart, don't hesitate to do it while the groper is sniffing your rear end. Make this as unpleasant for them as possible.

70 I've been trying to bring myself up to speed with the current music but it just lacks melody.

I gave up on 99% of the "current" music back in the mid-80s They all are crap now.

71

Spent the first 10 years of my life living literally under either a takeoff vector or approach vector to a runway

We also lived near an airport in the late 60s/early 70s when aircraft were much louder than today.  DC10s approaching were particularly loud as they came screaming down, we lost TV reception every time a plane came in to land.  I used to be able to tell the make and model simply by the sound.  Fifteen years later my parents moved to the other side of the airport and I had no idea they were under the flight path until I saw a 747 overhead coming in to land, yet so quiet compared to the earlier planes.

72 45 This may seem a dumb question, but why do the scanners even need to create an image at all?
The Democrats killed a clause in the bill pushed by the GOP to ensure there were no hard-copy images created/kept.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 25, 2010 09:00 AM (ocvEI)

Well that's because the company wasn't making them to do that.  And he got to go with Obama to India so you know...

73

Terrye, fuck you.  You're an idiot.  Come on tell us how being violated in this way is acceptable to people.  Tell us how having a cancer survivor end up being covered in urine is acceptable to people.  But being asked a few questions by actual professionals and having dogs wandering around would just be absolutely unacceptable to the public.

On this Thanksgiving, I am thankful that most people are not as stupid as you are.

74 Where is the fucking outrage from our leaders?
I'm looking at your Boner and McConnell.

75 85 Where is the fucking outrage from our leaders?
I'm looking at your Boner and McConnell.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 25, 2010 10:45 AM (EL+OC)

Being ignored by the media so the public doesn't get more on the side of it it seems.

76 "having dogs wandering around would just be absolutely unacceptable to the public."

Because many Muslims see dogs as spiritually unclean, ergo we must cave to political correctness yet again?

82, Decaf, yeah, it's amazing how much quieter they are just since the 80's and 90's.  It always freaked people out at college because I could usually ID a craft's general type and # of engines by the sound (and a few specific models).  The one that throws me off anymore though; is one of the little Lear-like plane that flies out of the local airport.  It sounds like an F-16.

77 I am not a liberal, I am not a Democrat and apparently I am not a libertarian either...but I actually have gone through a scanner and I survived to tell about it. Posted by: Terrye at November 25, 2010 09:48 AM (tYKoa) Terrye, you may think twice about submitting to the body scanners and "surviving to tell about it" if you read these: Backscatter x-ray penetration more than skin-deep UCSF faculty question safety of backscatter technology

78

Where is the fucking outrage from our leaders?

You will wait a long time for that because they are still all creatures of the beltway. 

What I found more intriguing was a question at Hot Air that if this came out two weeks before the midterm elections what would have been the result.

79

Has there been a thread posted yet  on this boycott of GE and Johnson & Johnson?  Anybody?

80

I laughed reading the list of TSA employees complaints that were up on Drudge a couple of days ago. They don't like overweight passengers. Their feelings are hurt, too, over what passengers are saying to them. Things like queries over whether they are enjoying what they are doing.

Poor little TSA workers.

Also read that there are ads for TSA jobs printed on pizza take out boxes in the DC area. Nice descriptions of the job, and mentions Federal benefits employees have.

81

The don't like overweight passengers?

Look in the mirror!  Have you ever seen a picture of a TSA stooge who wasn't morbidly obese?

82 My 26 year old daughter is flying home for Christmas (her husband is in the Navy and they are stationed on the East Coast, home is in the Midwest).

She is a type 1 diabetic and wears an insulin pump. She will also be about 4 mos. pregnant with her first baby.

I am glad I won't be on hand to see just what she goes through after her pump sets off the alerts. I might do something paternal and regrettable.

83 Pistole's gone a little "Stanford Prison experiment". Priicipal investigator, who ran the thing, in analysis after the fact, realized that he was altered, too, and not just the students who gradually became sadistic goons. He's the guy in the mustache in this promo for National Geographic. He is warning you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgx-HjisCSE

84 Dr Zimbardo (in link I put above) has some observations on heroism as well" "To be a hero you have to take action on behalf of someone else or some principle and you have to be deviant in your society, because the group is always saying don't do it; don't step out of line. If you're an accountant at Arthur Andersen, everyone who is doing the defrauding is telling you, "Hey, be one of the team." Heroes have to always, at the heroic decisive moment, break from the crowd and do something different. But a heroic act involves a risk. If you're a whistle-blower you're going to get fired, you're not going to get promoted, you're going to get ostracized. And you have to say it doesn't matter. Most heroes are more effective when they're social heroes rather than isolated heroes. A single person or even two can get dismissed by the system. But once you have three people, then it's the start of an opposition. So what I'm trying to promote is not only the importance of each individual thinking "I'm a hero" and waiting for the right situation to come along in which I will act on behalf of some people or some principle, but also, "I'm going to learn the skills to influence other people to join me in that heroic action."

85 It seems completely asinine that we assume everybody who gets on a plane could be a terrorist, while simultaneously assuming everybody who illegally crosses the border just wants to be  a housemaid.



Thread-winner!!!

86 SarahW, there's no prison at Stanford. 

87 Yeah, you simpleton.

88

It's purely subjective, but on my flights earlier this week, it seemed to me that I saw fewer large clusters of TSA people standing around doing nothing and they seemed to have much less of their signature condescending attitude.

The questioning of their heavy handed and border line angry dealings with the public appears to have had a small difference in how they interact with individuals.

The policies still remain, though.

89

It's purely subjective, but on my flights earlier this week, it seemed to me that I saw fewer large clusters of TSA people standing around doing nothing and they seemed to have much less of their signature condescending attitude.

The questioning of their heavy handed and border line angry dealings with the public appears to have had a small difference in how they interact with individuals.

The policies still remain, though.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 25, 2010 11:39 AM (QLiYt)

They're all upset that more people aren't doing the strip search by radiation.  They actually have to do some sort of work and they aren't happy about it.

90 I love how my lib Facebook friends got all fourth-amendmenty when the Don't Touch My Junk thing first started, but now the libs are all in lockstep around whatever Dear Leader wants.

91 And men wear plastic athletic cups.

92

If it's critical to national safety, this is what should happen.

Obama, Michelle and their daughters should give an example to the country and show that it is perfectly acceptable for not only themselves but their children to publicly be patted down or go through the machine, in full public view.

Napolitano needs to be filmed doing it.

Members of Congress should be required also.

 

93 For all the folks that advocate anyone not accepting of the current security procedures just not fly, I'm curious how I'm supposed to conduct my international travel from Hong Kong to LAX to Florida several times a year.  Until the starship Enterprise starts transporting us around the globe, I'm all ears to your alternative suggestions that will meet my travel requirements.  To just not fly is not the solution.  Change the procedures to focus on the real threats and stop frisking kids and seniors.

94 I wonder how TSA would react if while you were standing in line you started inflating balloons with your lungs and handing them out. What if kids started popping them?

95 The Democrats killed a clause in the bill pushed by the GOP to ensure there were no hard-copy images created/kept.

Damn.  Just damn.

96

If I knew that cargo was being screened as closely as passengers, that would make me more willing to do what they ask me to do.

If it was one rule for all, instead of random screenings, that would make a difference to me.

If the people who put the procedures in place had to live by them like we do, it would make more sense.

Too many exceptions, too much loose shit.

97 "Every time we hear one of these stories, John Pistole runs for the cameras and reassures us that this isn't what is supposed to happen;"

Sounds exactly like the explanation we are given after a member of the "religion of peace" blows himself up and kills some bystanders.  After we are repeatedly assured this was all a misunderstanding on the part of the person who did it, and liberal talking heads chime in with supporting remarks, you will have to excuse me for becoming increasingly suspicious that I am being fed a line of Royal BS intended to lull me into compliance, acceptance and finally into outright support.

98 Something is definitely wrong when certain people demand that our prisoners of war be treated with more dignity and respect than our own civilians.

99 I knew it wouldn't be too long before I saw it:
Post on a forum fuming that only now conservatives are upset with invasions of privacy (TSA) now that Obama's in the chair.

100 Something is definitely wrong when certain people demand that our prisoners of war be treated with more dignity and respect than our own civilians.

Posted by: TexTaz at November 25, 2010 12:39 PM (GkYyh)

Hasn't that been the normal response of the libtards for everything. In the 60s they decried the poor murdering criminals and insisted they get better treatment and care than the victims, witnesses, and jurors.

Still doing it.

101 FB which is the stupidest most dishonest argument I ever heard.

102 The patdown protests went nowhere, according to Reuters: tiny.cc/qo5c0 From the article: An internet "Don't Touch My Junk" campaign encouraging Thanksgiving travellers to refuse airport full body searches appeared to fizzle out on Wednesday amid a charm offensive from security officials.... Some travellers were aware of the protest campaign but few heeded it, according to interviews with passengers at airports across the country.... But at Chicago's O'Hare, the world's third busiest airport, there was no sign of protests or of the dreaded patdowns. Both passengers and TSA seemed on their best behaviour.... "There wasn't even a line. It took about 5 minutes in total to get through security," said Emile Trisfith, 19, a music student in Chicago headed home to New York. "I was prepared for the worst."

103

That info from Rueters backs up what I saw. TSA is on it's best behavior currently. They don't want to stir up flyers any more than they are already.

It only worked because they were not full bore on the scans and pat downs. They were warned.

Nothing has really changed though, just because they temporarily lightened up to avoid a publicity nightmare on Thanksgiving.

104 Meanwhile, a Nov. 20 poll shows that 2/3 of Americans support the body scans, while opinion on the patdowns is divided almost equally (48% for, 50% against). tiny.cc/j77an Seems as if the new policy is gradually gaining acceptance.

105 Post on a forum fuming that only now conservatives are upset with invasions of privacy (TSA) now that Obama's in the chair.

Typical.  It's projection anyway.  They are shutting up only because Obama's in the chair.

106 And I don't buy the argument that conservatives didn't have a problem with wire tapping since Bush was in office. 

107

A little thoiught experiment:

Which is more intrusive: the search when trying to get on a plane or when trying to visit inmates at a maximum security prison???  Why???

(Remember, how does most contraband get inside prisons?)

Because people never would have stood for such searches before now.

It's like leftist womens' tacit approval of Bubba Clinton's Monica sessions: the "necessity of supporting our guy" gives him a pass to do most anything and get away with it...

Same reason David Lettermen got a complete pass for having sex with an employee...

108

Hahaha foolish Americans

Asking suspected illegal aliens for documentation when they get pulled over is too intrusive but touching a citizens' genitals ISN'T-

109 Sauropod guess you haven't heard - numerous airports TURNED OFF THE SCANNERS to avoid delays (and negative press from gropes, I presume). So yeah. They met no resistance, because no resistance to give.

110 114 Meanwhile, a Nov. 20 poll shows that 2/3 of Americans support the body scans, while opinion on the patdowns is divided almost equally (48% for, 50% against).

tiny.cc/j77an

Seems as if the new policy is gradually gaining acceptance.

Posted by: sauropod at November 25, 2010 01:14 PM (GPm6P)

Gaining acceptance really?  I thought that dipshits like you were touting how 80% of the public was in favor of this stuff a week ago.  Sounds like support is down.  I also don't think asking the people at large is very indicative.  Its as useless a barometer as a poll of adults for elections.  Better off to ask the people that are flying and have experienced this bullshit security theater that is doing nothing to make us safer and only lining the pockets of George Soros, and the CEO of the company making the scanners that went with Obama on his trip to India.

111 116 And I don't buy the argument that conservatives didn't have a problem with wire tapping since Bush was in office. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 25, 2010 01:18 PM (Qpsby)

I had much less of a problem with it.  You know since they were wiretapping people that were supposedly in contact with foreign suspects.  Imagine that. Trying to limit your searches to those most likely to be a problem.  What a shocking idea.

112

I sent a letter to Tom Coburn asking what he and other Senators are doing about this continuing outrage.  Coburn is conscientious about providing thorough answers.  About a year ago, he or someone on his staff took the time to answer a question I had with a custom response. If he gets to this one, I'll post it or hand it over to Ace.

Everyone, write your Representative and Senators.

113 119 Sauropod guess you haven't heard - numerous airports TURNED OFF THE SCANNERS to avoid delays (and negative press from gropes, I presume).

So yeah. They met no resistance, because no resistance to give.

Posted by: SarahW at November 25, 2010 01:31 PM (Z4T49)

Wait I thought these scans and systems were vital and necessary to our security, and we needed to do them to be safe.

114

Buzzion, this is why there is resistance.

One day it's critical to have the scans and pat down, the next, magically, it's not!

Pure theater.

115 You know since they were wiretapping people that were supposedly in contact with foreign suspects.

It wasn't wiretapping.  They were monitoring international phone calls.  100% legal.

116

 It wasn't wiretapping.  They were monitoring international phone calls.  100% legal.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 25, 2010 01:45 PM (BvBKY)

But I don't even think it was as general as "international phone calls"  I thought they were specifically targetting the phone contacts of known suspects.

117

Time to begin my Thanksgiving celebration and forget about the TSA for a bit.

rdbrewer, I am thankful for what you bring to AoS and my daily read is much more enjoyable here because of your contributions and work.

Happy Thanksgiving all !

118 Thank you, Who Knows!

119

You guys, the problem with many of the Patriot Act provisions is that all they have to do is claim they're fighting terrorism.  If you don't think these dirtbag bureaucrats don't get a little Stanford Prison Experiment in their blood, then you're too trusting of your fellow man.

120 My dental hygienist told me her strictish Islamic mom (hijab, no veil), requested a pat-down instead of the radiation, and for female patter-downers.  They took her to a room and prety much strip-searched her.  THEN they told her their male supervisor was behind the 2-way mirror, watching.  So no, around here (DC), no one gets out alive--I mean, unnaked.

121 No one gets out unnaked and unembarrassed, I mean.

122 And it would be INSANE to demand scanners and pat-downs for subways.  No one would ever get anywhere ever again!  Subway trains would depart with like, 3 people aboard, and take 2 hours at every stop...

123 Oh the article I linked earlier in the thread about the House Republicans wanting to investigate the TSA points out that it was the Democrats that were so adamant about putting the government in charge of airport security after 9/11.  Another glorious success of bipartisanship by the GOP.

124

Why not have scanners at every shopping mall entrance, movie theater entrance, theater entrance, sporting event arena...wouldn't that make sense in this stupid line of thought?

 

And Happy Thanksgiving! 

125 Big Government Bush gave us the TSA.  Gee, thanks.  We're so much safer now.  Especially since it is now almost impossible to fire them.

126 #119 "Sauropod guess you haven't heard - numerous airports TURNED OFF THE SCANNERS to avoid delays (and negative press from gropes, I presume)." No, I hadn't heard that. A search of Google News doesn't turn up any stories saying this. Not one. Do you have a source? Google News does provide some more info on what's going on at major airports. Too many articles to link; just search Google News for TSA + scanner. Headlines: "At Philadelphia International, Thanksgiving travel goes smoothly" "No delays from airport opt-out day" "No major problems on opt-out Day" "Airport protest fails to take off" "Scanner protest fizzles at Sea-Tac, nationally" "Kansas City International Airport doesn't see body scanner opt-out problems" "Storms, not airport security, slow holiday travel" "No signs of trouble, boycotts at Grand Rapids airport security early today" "TSA scanner opt-out day has trouble getting off the ground at LAX" And my favorite: "Dexter star Julie Benz welcomes TSA pat-downs"

127

sauropod...right where the first signs of resistance started (SAN) TSA waved everyone through after walking through the metal detector.

Nothing to protest. The workers were polite, for the first time in years.

Nice try.

128 Speaking of age, I discovered yesterday that my 20 year old daughter, a physics major, had no idea what a slide rule was!  Seemed weird, but it makes perfect sense.

Heh. 

(Warning!  This anecdote takes place a few scant years before Google became a verb and there was no such thing as Wikipedia.  I can't fuckin' believe it myself!  Reader Discretion is Advised.)

When I was about a Sophomore in college I happened to meet an uncle of mine (by marriage) who was a retired civil engineer from South Carolina for the first (only?) time.

I was kind of interested in the whole concept of logarithms at the time and had heard about these things called slide rules or slipsticks but just could not wrap my head around them, no matter how I pressed my Dad to remember the hazy details of "math classes in the olden days" he probably has good personal reasons to want to forget.

At some sort of interminable "extended family" dinner, in some restaurant, I found myself seated next to one of the other "extensions" while all of the yakkety-yak was going on.  We wound up amusing ourselves with some polite conversation and somehow it came up that I hadn't the faintest idea what a slide rule even looked like.  "I imagine they mostly look like regular rulers but they could look like frisbees too, no?"

A week or so later, back at school, I was forwarded a package from South Carolina.

And lo, it contained a Pickett #3 slide rule, in a custom, felt (?) protective case!

Along with some hand-typed directions on how to use it.  I still have the slip stick but I fear that I lost my uncle's primer somewhwere along the way...

(For a couple of years, neither my Dad nor his sister could figure out, why on earth, my uncle would barge into their phone conversations to inquire as to whether or not some niece (by marriage) was home from school at the time.)

As much as I enjoyed playing with it, my forays into the world of the slide rule turned out to be just as much playtime as my flirtation with learning ancient Hebrew.

Texas Instruments just plain spoiled me for being able to easily use a slide rule as a tool, probably much the same way that English, Ancient Greek, Latin and French have so shaped my preferences that I, ultimately, have little patience for languages with no written fucking vowels.

Both are just too alien, for me.  Attractive enough to explore on a lark but I'm so limited in native mathematical and language skills that I needs must use every "cheat" that I have access to...

The actual slide rule?

Still have it.  One of my prized possesions.

Normal women snap photos and take up scrap-booking, I suppose...



 

129 John Mica ( R-Fl 07 ) is out in front of this Shite, so contact his office--especially if you are in his district, of course, but even if you ain't

This is a hill worth fighting for / on.........

130 A single person or even two can get dismissed by the system. But once you have three people, then it's the start of an opposition.
So what I'm trying to promote is not only the importance of each individual thinking "I'm a hero" and waiting for the right situation to come along in which I will act on behalf of some people or some principle, but also, "I'm going to learn the skills to influence other people to join me in that heroic action."

That's interesting.

_{To me.  But, I'm a Moron. So what do I know?}

131

It took one person at SAN.

 

132

70 Well we could do what the Israelis do and then they could stop your car before you even get to the terminal and check it out along with the driver of course. After you get in the terminal, they will demand your documents and then do a background check on you while you are being interviewed or interrogated as it were by Israeli security people...after that if they decide you are okay they will send you on through the metal detector...if not, they will continue with physical searches and more interrogation. If you mouth off, cop an attitude or claim that your rights are being violated they will not give a damn..and eventually if they are willing to let you get on the plane, you get to fly out of there.

Of course their largest airport is smaller by far than any major  airport in this country and it would be physically impossible to duplicate their system in this country just due to the sheer volume of travelers we have...it is also true that there are legal and cultural differences that would make it difficult as well.

I am sure that silly things happen in airport security every day and I am also sure that there are things they could do to make it easier and more comfortable for travelers...but most people just want to get where they are going in one piece and if they don't want to deal with security in airports they travel some other way. Like grownups.

Posted by: Terrye at November 25, 2010 09:57 AM (tYKoa)

Terrye, it never ceases to amaze how the functional retarded can post to the internet - Bully for you!

The TSA has already done all of the above. They do tend to focus on profiling those who 'mouth-off' or entirely passive vs those who fit a 'terrorist' profile.

Glad to know that you are aware of something, however distorted reality it is.

I would wish that you get better soon, but better that we wish that you gain acceptance with your affliction.

Best Wishes...

133

This is "Alice in Wonderland"! Let undocumented aliens , possibly terrorists, cross our borders and that's OK.

Don't screen our carge and that's OK.

But threaten and grope grannies and children-

John Pistole is a coward! He thinks he's still working for the FBI and can just scare people with his badge.

Pistole works for us. We are the government- not him and big sis.

John Pistole is a punk and I would love the oppoprtunity to go one on one with him in the ring.

Pistole is making a job for himself at TSA  at the expense of Americans.

He is a f'ed up piece of sh*t!

 

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