1 Asshole.

2

there goes marco rubio.

i hate politicians sometimes.

apparently Crist leaked documents on rubio that he took from teh state RNC.

What a scumbag Crist is. Why can't people just accept they don't represent their constituency and lose with grace?

 

Also who did the NRCC back again?

3 Pathetic.

4 I think it should go without saying that whoever the NRCC backs in any primary is not really a republican, but a shrewd politician looking out for themself.

5 NRSC (Cornyn) went all in with Crist the day he announced.

6 This just proves we were right about the douche.

7
Knew it the minute the Amex card records got published.  Cornyn needs to get kicked in the bawlz for this one.  Repeatedly.

8 Don't count Rubio out.  I don't think Crist has much drag in this state anymore.  He turned out to not even be a RINO, rather a genuine liberal. 

9 If Democrats did that, they'd have most of the Democrats plus a solid block of Crist RINOs and independents.

In an election cycle where the prime issue is "Who's going to stop the madman in the White House" I don't think that solid block, much less the Dems, are going to be fired up enough to matter.

Remember, Lieberman was popular enough to pull that off.  Crist's approval as Governor has been crashing in proprtion to Rubio's track up in the polls.

10

I can't get over how much this would piss me off if Crist did this. Why not run for a second term as governor and then run for Nelsons seat which he would likely win.

Also, I noticed in the past few days jeb bush has been saying nice things about rubio, maybe knows crist is about to screw the party.

11 What a (orange-y) dick.

12 Ok.  There did have to be some party pooper that ended the long run of good news.

13 >>>In an election cycle where the prime issue is "Who's going to stop the madman in the White House" I don't think that solid block, much less the Dems, are going to be fired up enough to matter. Dude, I promise you, as big a change as the current national mood represents, it only moved the meter 5% or so to the right. You're talking as if the 40% of the country that's Democratic and the 10% that leans liberal just up and vanished or something.

14 He turned out to not even be a RINO, rather a genuine liberal.

Isn't it neat how a guy like Arlen Specter can go from being a moderate Republican one week to a liberal Democrat the next week with no actual change in his positions?  Hell, Barack Obama would be a moderate Republican if he wanted to be in the big tent.

15

Don't count Rubio out.  I don't think Crist has much drag in this state anymore.  He turned out to not even be a RINO, rather a genuine liberal. 

its the democrats you have to worry about. It is almost forgone that Meek will get beat badly. SO they will ask themselves if Crist is better for them than Rubio and I think the answer will be clear.

The only benefit Rubio would have is that the hard core people show up for midterms, whereas the squishy Crist voters are less motivated.

That said, Crist running would cost rubio the election.

 

16 One Winn-Dixie stop and some plane tickets? He could have grabbed the official card by mistake those times, if that's it. Sheesh.

17
There's on thing at play here that might trump everything.  Crist is an asshole.
People, especially the mood this nation is in now, won't vote for this asshole.

18 it's the only way to get into the game for him. Him sticking with the Republicans would just make him the fat chick on prom night, at home and alone drowning her sorrows into a pint of Haagen-Dazs. He's still going to lose in the election though

19

hillbuzz claims Crist has a "colorful" past, and a closeted present. If you catch my drift.

20 One RHINO down.. only a few dozen more to go.  Let the great tea party safari begin.

21 i know this is a pretty hard core site now, but i must say it's understandable, to me at least, that governors like arnold (r-cal) and this one would welcome the "stimulus" money. a lot of states faced big deficits and they can't print money. most of the money went in this direction and i have sympathy for meeting the needs of civic (police, fire, etc.), medical & unemployment faced by states. most of the funds went to meet those needs and that's where the "jobs saved" are. but it was a state bail out, not a "stimulus" measure.

22 Rubio will win, no matter what Crist calls himself.  Florida is not a state with all these "independents" running around like those up in Maine.  Most of the state is conservative, except for the crazies in Palm Beach and the trial-lawyer bloc.  Let Crist defect to another party - most conservatives won't care.

23

He turned out to not even be a RINO, rather a genuine liberal.

Isn't it neat how a guy like Arlen Specter can go from being a moderate Republican one week to a liberal Democrat the next week with no actual change in his positions?  Hell, Barack Obama would be a moderate Republican if he wanted to be in the big tent.

No way. I am from PA and hate arlen, but Arlen was nowhere near as big a lefty as he is now. He is for reconciliation, but when he was a republican he wasn't going to vote for healthcare or card check. (card check being the bigger deal in PA considering our large unions).   Quite often traitors, like people who suffer from Stockholm Syndrome , not only take the side of their former enemies, but they go the the farthest extreme to prove their loyalty. Think Charles Johnson. It wasn't enough to simply decide to be a lefty. He had to abandon all logic and reason, and spend 90 percent of his time attacking the right in hopes his new overlords would accept him and treat him nicely.

24

You're talking as if the 40% of the country that's Democratic and the 10% that leans liberal just up and vanished or something.

Maybe not vanished but perhaps not as motivated to vote.

25 why shouldn't those governors welcome that money from the feds?

26 Let me just say along with many others, WAY TO GO NRSC ON THAT CRIST ENDORSMENT.

_{Got fair primaries?}

27 Crist thinks the" Party of Charlie" is enough to win? He's just butthurt and now wants to screw Rubio and the GOP. What a piece of trash.

28 Christ was the last gasp of a dominant Republican Party which took control in the 1990s and kept going into the 2000s:  He was worked through the system as Atty General and then Gov without getting any close looks.  People saw the 'R' as a sign of the new prosperity, and for the past two decades unless an R ran a bad campaign ( like Bill McCullem who lost to BenTard 'Astronaut' Nelson ) the R got elected

People never really looked at what Crist was or really listened to what he actually said.  He was a probably-gay ( not that there's anything Wrong with that ) non-Hispanic Melendez:   A generic Big Tent RINO who wanted to be all things to all people--and got away with it until Rubio called his many bluffs

Crist can do what he likes:  He's toast:  Burnt like his Perpetual Tan

Viva Rubio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

29 The Democrats never lost anything when Lieberman ran as an independent; he still votes exactly as he did before, and caucuses with the Dems to determine Senate majority. The Republicans will lose with Crist, because he will align himself with the Dems and vote as one as well.

30 The problem here is that Democrats could wind up doing what we did in Connecticut when Lieberman went independent -- we abandoned the actual GOP candidate to get behind the non-Democrat with the best chance of winning. If Democrats did that, they'd have most of the Democrats plus a solid block of Crist RINOs and independents.

Ace, I see your point but Lieberman was really a unique situation. No one really thought Lieberman would lose the primary and so no half way decent R decided to run. By the time he had lost it was too late to jump in. People who did not want to vote Lamont were left with Lieberman or a guy nobody ever heard of with gambling problems. If a decent R had challenged it would have been very different, very close 3 ways I think with Lieberman holding alomst the whole center. What is the Dem candidate in Florida like? If he's any decent then I could still see Rubio squeaking by in a 3 way, it's a big R year.

31 You're talking as if the 40% of the country that's Democratic and the 10% that leans liberal just up and vanished or something.

According to Rove's famous wipe board, something like 4 million folks who reliably voted for Bush "just up and vanished" in 2008.  When a political party is adequately disappointing, folks stop supportiving it.  I think we all know that a year of Obamacare discussions have destroyed the Democrats' credibility with independents and whatever plan E or F that they pass as a fig leaf, if anything, won't be enough for their base.

So no, I don't think the fools that normally show up for the Dems have vanished off the face of the earth, I just don't think as many of them will show up at the polls in November.

32

 know this is a pretty hard core site now, but i must say it's understandable, to me at least, that governors like arnold (r-cal) and this one would welcome the "stimulus" money. a lot of states faced big deficits and they can't print money. most of the money went in this direction and i have sympathy for meeting the needs of civic (police, fire, etc.), medical & unemployment faced by states. most of the funds went to meet those needs and that's where the "jobs saved" are. but it was a state bail out, not a "stimulus" measure.

I concur to an extent. You take the money otherwise your citizens hate you when you have to make the cut backs. But he didn't have to make out with Obama over the stimulus. It's one thing to take stolen money, its something else to talk about it as though you earned or deserved it.

 And he didn't have to give us John McCain as a candidate by endorsing him before the florida primaries. 

 

If this guy runs as an independent, I hope that the NRSC pulls out all the stops in destroying him, even if it means coordinating with Meek and the democrats. Also they should withdraw their endorsment of any republican currently running in a primary. Let the people decide who they want to represent them.

33 Ace, do you live in CT? It doesn't sound like it.

"The problem here is that Democrats could wind up doing what we did in Connecticut when Lieberman went independent -- we abandoned the actual GOP candidate to get behind the non-Democrat with the best chance of winning."

FWIW, we (in CT) didn't abandon the GOP candidate. The GOP candidate was a schmuck of the highest order.

And we got behind Lieberman (something like 70% of Republican voters in CT, i believe it was) to get behind a guy who was clearly still a Democrat, but who was just rejected by the hysterical, far-left elements of the Democrat Party when they chose the risible Ned Lamont as their candidate. Specifically, at a time when we needed one, Lieberman was a voice of reason regarding Iraq and, overall, a far better choice than the candidate fielded by the GOP.

So in a way it was more like what happened with Scott Brown, actually, and I can't say I see this same dynamic happening with Crist. He's down already because he's lost favor with conservatives and independents.

34

"why shouldn't those governors welcome that money from the feds?"

The problem was Crist was for the Porkulus Bill, beofre it was passed.  Someone who wanted to help his state, would have wanted the time proven stimulus of tax cuts, not the short term, unproductive method of govt candy.

35 BTW, I do understand Crist's bitterness here. I don't agree with the move to independent but I do understand. The guy has been a loyal Republican, if not Conservative, his whole career AND he did the sham marriage. It must be a bitter pill to swallow but as they say you can't fool all of the people all the time. It had to catch up to him sometime.

36 21 i know this is a pretty hard core site now, but i must say it's understandable, to me at least, that governors like arnold (r-cal) and this one would welcome the "stimulus" money. a lot of states faced big deficits and they can't print money. most of the money went in this direction and i have sympathy for meeting the needs of civic (police, fire, etc.), medical & unemployment faced by states. most of the funds went to meet those needs and that's where the "jobs saved" are. but it was a state bail out, not a "stimulus" measure.

Posted by: gomm at February 25, 2010 02:52 PM (Ibk1S)

Well, man, Crist didn't just 'welcome' the StimMoney, he sucked dick to get it and wouldn't shut up about how wonderful Obama was to give it.  He could have taken the cash and been Low Profile, and tried to help all the businesses which are going out of business in the Sunshine State.

But no........

( and did you really say 'hard core')  I see no pron except those curling wenches last night, and that was "tasteful" semi-pron

37
It's getting all CONCERNY in here.

38 This is what happens when you start giving out trophies to all the kids at little league games. They never learn how to lose with dignity or win with grace.

39 36 BTW, I do understand Crist's bitterness here. I don't agree with the move to independent but I do understand. The guy has been a loyal Republican, if not Conservative

LOYAL to WHAT ??  Crist was given the Atty General job and power, then handed the governorship of one of the largest states in the Union.  No offense, but I'm getting a whiff of................concern troll

And yes, Crist is NOT and never was a 'Conservative' , capitalized or not

40

What money from the feds?  Where does the feds get the stashed money?

 

So it is ok now to have taxpayers from responsible states (TX) or rich states (AK) to pay for bloated and bankrupted states?

41

"He's just butthurt and now wants to screw Rubio and the GOP. "

It's worked before!

42 "pretty hard core"... that was a stupid thing to say. it's really not much different than back in the day (which i remember fondly). i guess i meant that the the drive to stand on principle, while all well and good, isn't tarnished by recognition of the realities these politicians face. should the people's republic of california be revamped so that the entitlement & tax shackles are eliminated? sure, why not? should arnold say the money helped his state? yeah, it did.

43 Christ wants to run as an Indie?  OK.  How's he gonna fund his campaign?  Rubio will conduct moneybomb campaigns that'll make Hiroshima look like farts in a bathtub, AND he'll get NRC-type money to boot.  What is Christ's plan?

44 What is Christ's plan?

You keed, right?  Or you're doing 'Treasure of the Sierra Madre'?

Plans?  I don't got no plans.  I don't got to show you no stinkin' plan.........

45

Lieberman got 33% of the (D) vote, 54% of the (I) vote, and 70% of the (R) vote, but I don't see Crist getting that for one reason: Obama. Obama is going to be the big issue in this election and Rubio is Mr. Tea Party. I suspect Crist's betrayal would galvanize (R) support behind Rubio and I don't think Crist could peel off enough (D) votes to put him over the top for the simple fact that the Democrats just won't be motivated enough to vote this year. And I think Meek will hold so much of the black vote that just about every non-black Democrat would need to vote for Crist for Crist to have a chance.

46 "46 Christ wants to run as an Indie? OK. How's he gonna fund his campaign? " George Soros sighs and reaches for his wallet...

47 LOYAL to WHAT ?? 

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 25, 2010 03:04 PM (JrRME)

To the Republican Party. Now most of that was during a time the Republican party has not been too loyal to it's base but there it is. I'm not defending Crist here, never liked the guy. But you can't say he hasn't been a loyal party guy, at least what he came to know the Republican party as.

48 19

I wonder if Crist would come out of the closet and run as  a Democrat.

49 But you can't say he hasn't been a loyal party guy, at least what he came to know the Republican party as.

Maybe I'm Dim, but this doesn't make sense.  Specific examples would help:  In what ways has Crist shown his loyalty to the Republican Party in Florida?

50 #19 Tattoo - not against a black Meeks.  If Nelson decides to 'retire' to spend more time with his family in '12 then, yes, we'll see Crist finish the double cross.

51 Maybe I'm Dim, but this doesn't make sense.  Specific examples would help:  In what ways has Crist shown his loyalty to the Republican Party in Florida?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 25, 2010 03:47 PM (JrRME)

Campaigning, fund raising, back room deals.....how else does a pol show loyalty?

52

Mc Cain is a douche:  http://tinyurl.com/yhevat7

Read about what he had to say about Crist halfway down the page.

 

53

Charlie Crist is not going anywhere but home, if the guys at Hillbuzz know what they're talking about:

All his adventures at the Green Iguana in Tampa, of which the gay community in Florida has known all about, and talked openly about for years.

All about his appearances in public as “Charlotte, Belle of the South”, one of the ugliest drag queens just about anyone’s ever seen

If he just leaves now, he can go with some dignity. Otherwise ... it could get painful.

54

59 Charlotte, I don't know, I think Charlene would have been a more appropriate drag name.

Can you just imagine him WORKIN IT

"sashay, shante, sashay, sashay, shante. Turn to the left..."

53 I don't know, then what would he do with his girl (breeder) wife?

It's a dilemma. Think I'll go down a blueberry chai smoothie and take a pill.

55 Crist can't win.  He can prevent Rubio from winning, but Meeks is too strong and Crist won't get enough hardcore Dem support, the way Lieberman got lots of R support.

56 Charlotte, Belle of the South?

Good lord, this isn't a political campaign, it's a sequel to La Cage aux Folles

57 $53.49 on a Republican credit card is an outrage...but a Trillion on our National Credit Card is great?

Dude.

58

My guess is that it won't be Crist and Rubio splitting the R vote; it will be Crist and Meeks splitting the D vote.  Plus this looks like a wave year, so I still pick Rubio.

Honestly, if I lived in Florida, I'd rather have Meeks than Crist.  But I don't think it will come to that.

59 bunch of jerks

60

I've noticed that David Frum seems to be going all out for Crist lately.

Interestingly enough, Frum also was a big fan of Ahmed Chalabi, Iranian agent.

Frum also has co-authored an article with Andrew Sullivan.

Hmmm, I can't help but get the feeling all these guys seem to have some elusive common thread...d'you think Hillbuzz could figure this one out?

(And, given that elusive thread, does it make more sense that Frum went all-out traitor?  Perhaps Iran's government is blackmailing him?)

61 21 i know this is a pretty hard core site now, but i must say it's understandable, to me at least, that governors like arnold (r-cal) and this one would welcome the "stimulus" money. a lot of states faced big deficits and they can't print money. most of the money went in this direction and i have sympathy for meeting the needs of civic (police, fire, etc.), medical & unemployment faced by states. most of the funds went to meet those needs and that's where the "jobs saved" are. but it was a state bail out, not a "stimulus" measure.

Are we addicted to phony money? I think we need to take a look at the reality of our spending.

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