April 05, 2010

Ugh. California Voters Support ObamaCare
— Gabriel Malor

The latest poll of registered voters in California suggests that California voters aren't reacting the same way as most of the rest of the country:

On the health bill, 35% of those polled said that if their senator or U.S. representative had voted for the legislation, they would be "much more likely" to support them in November. Eleven percent said they would be "somewhat more likely" to vote that way.

On the other side, 20% said they would be "much less likely" and 9% said "somewhat less likely" to support that lawmaker. Nineteen percent said the health vote would have no effect on their support, and 5% said they did not know.

Californians view the healthcare package "much more favorably than what we are finding nationally," said Stan Greenberg of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner. "I don't think we will see numbers like this in other states."

In addition to support from Democrats, the healthcare bill appeared to have backing among nonpartisan voters. By a margin of 48% to 23%, those who registered without stating a political party said they would be more likely to support a representative or senator who voted yes.

In follow-up interviews, many respondents who were optimistic about the healthcare package said they had yet to grasp its particulars but thought it better than the status quo.

"I'm still learning a lot of the details," said Stephanie Martinez, 33, a stay-at-home mother in East Los Angeles. "From the things I do know and understand, I think people who don't have insurance and can't afford it will be able to get something."

There's a reason I've been telling folks not to get too excited about sending Senator Boxer packing. The average California voter doesn't give a darn about disfunctional government and they're quite apt to be bought off by shiny things like ObamaCare or high-speed rail.

When whichever GOP candidate we select proposes to take their shiny new toys away from them, Boxer will swoop in with more promises of bread and circus. These people will believe it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 05:45 AM | Comments (126)
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1
California likes the big broken nanny tit.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 05, 2010 05:46 AM (0fzsA)

2 Second look at the San Andreas Fault!

Posted by: FUBAR at April 05, 2010 05:49 AM (1fanL)

3 Well, why doesn't California go all the way to Cuba-type economic bliss and institute a state healthcare system a la MA.

Posted by: Christoph at April 05, 2010 05:50 AM (0fq7b)

4 Barack Obama isn't a "natural""born""citizen"!  Eleventy!!11!!1!

Posted by: The Obligatory at April 05, 2010 05:50 AM (1fanL)

5 "Second look at the San Andreas Fault!" Funny.

Posted by: Christoph at April 05, 2010 05:50 AM (0fq7b)

6 Shocka!  A broke dysfunctional state that has no will to fix itself likes broke, dysfunctional policies. 

Posted by: taylork at April 05, 2010 05:51 AM (0Hn5w)

7 An LAT poll?

Yeah, it's easy to discount as slanted press, but the LAT deserves no benefit of the doubt whatsoever.

Posted by: nickless at April 05, 2010 05:53 AM (MMC8r)

8 What do you expect when a large number of voters in CA are illegal immigrants who came there for a free ride? Of course, they shouldn't be voting but they are encouraged and enabled by the liberals, who need them as a power base. Southern CA is a lost cause; de-annex it from the union and/or nuke it from orbit.

Posted by: ray at April 05, 2010 05:53 AM (ykKLX)

9 Shocka!  A broke dysfunctional state that has no will to fix itself likes broke, dysfunctional policies. 

Posted by: taylork at April 05, 2010 09:51 AM (0Hn5w)

Land of the people who think things are free.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 05, 2010 05:54 AM (1fanL)

10 Is anyone surprised?  Probably 80% of the country's communists. anarchists, socialists, sydicalists, plus assorted flavors of kooks and nuts have been migrating to California since the mid-1960's.  They embrace Obamacare either because socialized medicine is an article of their political faith, or because their lifestyles mandate that they rely on the paychecks of whatever suckers are still stupid enough to work for a living. (Their viewpoint, not mine, folks.)

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at April 05, 2010 05:54 AM (PZLW0)

11
Let them have it.  The best case scenario is one that will allow states to opt out and other states to become giant petri dishes of leftest experimentation.

Have at it.

Posted by: Dang at April 05, 2010 05:54 AM (UA4gE)

12 Not this Californian.

Posted by: Deborah at April 05, 2010 05:55 AM (RsaJ2)

13 Boxer will swoop in with more promises of bread and circus.

Boxer will promise a State bailout by the feds when CA finally does go bankrupt.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2010 05:55 AM (QrA9E)

14 I spent 8 hateful years in California while growing up. I hated California. Why? The people of California and I just don't get along. I just don't like communists, or people who think the government should be Mommy and Daddy.

Posted by: maddogg at April 05, 2010 06:00 AM (OlN4e)

15 Land of Fruits and Nuts...

Posted by: catmman at April 05, 2010 06:00 AM (BCSpK)

16 Cut off everything west of Highway 5 from Orange County to Sacramento and let it drift out to sea (except for the Reagan Library, we'll carve out a little island for it).

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at April 05, 2010 06:00 AM (IoUF1)

17 Californians voluntarily transformed their state into a member of the Third World, through a combination of corrupt governance and open acceptance of illegal immigration.

They're getting what they deserve.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 05, 2010 06:01 AM (IuKAf)

18 11 I'd be all for that -- if I happened to live in a different state.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 05, 2010 06:01 AM (5/yRG)

19

Posted by: maddogg at April 05, 2010 10:00 AM (OlN4e)

I've visited there many times, but if I had to live there I would have climbed a tower with a rifle years ago.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at April 05, 2010 06:02 AM (IoUF1)

20 I think there must be something in the water...as in all natural systems there will be those with a naturally occuring immunity to the California loony juice, but most of the population seems quite susceptible.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 05, 2010 06:03 AM (5/yRG)

21 I just don't like communists, or people who think the government should be Mommy and Daddy.

Posted by: maddogg at April 05, 2010 10:00 AM (OlN4e)

What about slutty blondes?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 05, 2010 06:03 AM (1fanL)

22 Die, Kalifornia, Die.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2010 06:04 AM (T1boi)

23

The average California voter doesn't give a darn about disfunctional government . . .

This is what years of dropping acid and smoking pot does to your brain.  And/or not speaking the native language.

Posted by: 57 States at April 05, 2010 06:05 AM (kbH+o)

24 When [the] GOP ... proposes to take their shiny new toys away from them, Boxer will swoop in with more promises of bread and circus. These people will believe it.

Well *of course* they will--because half of American voters (over than in Cali) have the education and IQ of a mango.

That might be fixable if the dinosaur media would actually do their original job of educating, investigating and reporting--but we all know that'll never happen, since it would hurt the Democratic party.

I doubt many Left/Lib/Socialists read this site, but just for the record:  When your lights start going out, when the local grocery shelves are bare, when you can't find a gas station that has gasoline; when the cops start telling callers to just suck it up and hand over their money to the thugs; remember... those of us on the right warned you this would happen.

You didn't listen.  Instead, you *ran* to embrace the socialist candidate, in part because you thought socialism was a good thing (and partly because the MSM lied about who he was and the policies he's been taped saying he wanted to implement).

I will help folks who believe in freedom and want to work hard for a living.  You socialists can look somewhere else.

Posted by: sf at April 05, 2010 06:06 AM (eSMQV)

25 " Nineteen percent said the health vote would have no effect on their support..."
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That's where I stand. I was going to vote against my Democrat senators and for my Republican congressman before the health care vote, and that has not changed.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 05, 2010 06:09 AM (LD+ZJ)

26 The trouble with California, is that it's full of Californians.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at April 05, 2010 06:10 AM (DvIX/)

27 I'm going to guess that NY loves it, too, for the same reasons--billions of federal dollars will be poured into NY and CA, relieving them from having to fix their own !$#^&*! busted budgets.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 05, 2010 06:10 AM (RwvOw)

28

Just because I'm skeptical about polls in general (and even more so when conducted by liberal media/universities) I had to take a look at the methodology.  I found this little nugget.

Upon completion of the interviewing, the results were weighted slightly to more accurately reflect the total population of registered voters throughout the state. Weighting was done to regional and demographic characteristics according to known Census Bureau estimates and voter file projections; party registration was weighted to match the most recent 2010 report from the California secretary of state's office.

There's your grains of salt.  Take as many as you wish.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at April 05, 2010 06:13 AM (Vo/V7)

29 Zombie Reagan is getting to crack some skulls and eat some brains in CA. Unfortunately, he will starve to death to to lack of sustenance.

Posted by: Ludicrous Speed at April 05, 2010 06:14 AM (LdYLm)

30 "I'm still learning a lot of the details," said Stephanie Martinez, 33, a stay-at-home mother in East Los Angeles. "From the things I do know and understand, I think people who don't have insurance and can't afford it will be able to get something." -- or go to jail for not paying their failure to insure fines, where they will get health care.

Posted by: Jean at April 05, 2010 06:14 AM (7K04W)

31 "From the things I do know and understand, I think people who don't have insurance and can't afford it will be able to get something." -- or go to jail for not paying their failure to insure fines, where they will get health care.

Not to mention the millions of people who HAD insurance who are going to lose it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 05, 2010 06:20 AM (RwvOw)

32 .

Posted by: spammer at April 05, 2010 06:21 AM (5HciY)

33 Boxer will just do what she does every fucking time she runs, i.e. say "my opponent is a right-wing extremist." And the stupid fucking Donks (who'd vote for Idi Amin if he had a D next to his name) will continue to return this fucking dolt to Washington.

Posted by: Damn Skippy at April 05, 2010 06:22 AM (VDgKF)

34 I'm waiting to see the demographics on this survey deconstructed a bit.


I wouldn't doubt it's more popular in CA than elsewhere, but I don't think  the margin's anything like what they turned up.

There's also a significant us-against-them pool of Democrats in this state who'll voice support for it purely because, well, they have to.

Posted by: mrkwong at April 05, 2010 06:24 AM (J/h0h)

35
"You didn't listen.  Instead, you *ran* to embrace the socialist candidate, in part because you thought socialism was a good thing (and partly because the MSM lied about who he was and the policies he's been taped saying he wanted to implement)."

And they'll blame YOU for the disaster, you right-wing deviationist wrecker, you.


Posted by: eb at April 05, 2010 06:25 AM (XboVn)

36 waiting for Gabe to post about our maricopa cty atty Thomas resigning to run for AG last week...Gabe will likely lose his marbles if/when he wins...also Sheriff Joe (the real one not the parody VEEP) instituted a cycle for TV policy so the inmates must work a bike to get tv time...heh

Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at April 05, 2010 06:28 AM (dWrNl)

37 Me personally I'm taking a wait and see attitude on all of this, since for the most part any poll conducted by the MSM is only fit to line bird cages with in the first place.

Yes, most California's are decidedly liberal and they continue to support the same asshat liberal politicians who've sold them down the river time and time again with all sorts of promises. 

But I think that this next election will be a real awakening for many.  The actual percentage of people who vote and who take part in elections or consider themselves "politically active" in most areas of the country, including California, is relatively small.  Voter turnout is usually fairly low and as a result you really don't have to have that many kool-aid drinkers show up to win an election, especially if the other side is firmly convinced that they have only a small hope of victory.  If they think their vote doesn't matter, they generally don't show up at the polls.

This next election, however, I have a feeling your going to have a lot more people who haven't really participated in the past showing up at the polls to register their disgust with the current administration and it's unprecedented level of corruption and hubris.

So honestly I don't think folks like Boxer are quite as safe as they think they might be even if they are from areas that are heavily "democrat" or "liberal".  They'll get the same percentage vote from those folks that they've always gotten.

But the opposition candidate is going to be drawing not only from traditional areas of support but also from a lot of folks who in previous elections haven't been nearly as motivated to get down to the voting booth on election day.

In Scott Brown's recent election votor turnout was at 50 percent or more in many communities despite rain, sleet, snow and even in one district a power outage that had people voting by flashlight.  It's reported that some precincts even ran out of ballots.

So yes, even in the land of liberal I think that Republican candidates might actually be able to turn the tide provided they stick to a coherent message and concentrate on reaching out to voters who in the past may not have voted for a wide variety of reasons.

Keep in mind that most polls are based on "likely voters", meaning people who participated in elections of the past.  But the dynamic's this year are totally different than what they once were, and as a result I don't think there really is an election out there this next time around that isn't a jump ball in most respects.

So like I said, I'm going to wait and see what happens. 




Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 05, 2010 06:29 AM (e8T35)

38 I had a "discussion" with my lib  father in law this weekend and he is oh so happy I will be paying to fill in his Medicare Part D doughnut hole. When I told him that his daughter in law(my wife's sister) who is self employed and uses a Heath Savings account and a major medical insurance policy to cover herself, will lose her coverage he said "that's not going to happen, Obama said if you like your coverage you get to keep your coverage".  The conversation went down hill from there.

Posted by: RobD at April 05, 2010 06:34 AM (sV3Dv)

39 I don't know if this has been mentioned, but a few weeks back there was a story out there that said California would benefit MOST from Obamacare. I imagine this has much to do why it's popular there. Most unemployed folks; most state that would benefit, yada yada yada.

Posted by: carin at April 05, 2010 06:35 AM (UsRyD)

40 I think people who don't have insurance and can't afford it will be able to get something.

Ha, ha, ha, that retard is in for a major wakeup call. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 05, 2010 06:36 AM (yTva0)

41 surance policy to cover herself, will lose her coverage he said "that's not going to happen, Obama said if you like your coverage you get to keep your coverage". The conversation went down hill from there. they're like zombies.

Posted by: carin at April 05, 2010 06:36 AM (UsRyD)

42 "I'm still learning a lot of the details," said Stephanie Martinez, 33, a stay-at-home mother in East Los Angeles. "From the things I do know and understand, I think people who don't have insurance and can't afford it will be able to get something."

It'll be just like Christmas! I hate parasites like this with the hatred of a million burning suns. Fucking tapeworms

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 05, 2010 06:39 AM (erIg9)

43

LA Times/USC poll. let's see the questions/breakdowns/samples. while I'll be the first to admit Cali voters are all over the place, I'm not buying this one until I've checked under the hood.

Cali voted: no new taxes, no bilingual education, no drivers liscenses for illegals, no gay marraige, no race-based admissions in public schools, no never-ending increases in property tax, no welfare for illegals

Cali voted for: numerous crap sandwiches plus Boxer and Feinstein and once again for JERRY BROWN for AG.!?!

Moonbat city from LA to San Francisco. The rest of the state is overwhelmingly red.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at April 05, 2010 06:40 AM (IB258)

44 The remaining California voter lacks a simple accessory, a brain.

Posted by: bill-tb at April 05, 2010 06:40 AM (y+QfZ)

45 What, me worry? Californians know their state is bankrupt anyway.  The health control bill simply adds another $3.4 gazillion to their deficit.  The state is completely borked.

Posted by: dulce at April 05, 2010 06:43 AM (HFdqI)

46 It's all in the sample. I'd like to see the breakdown of Dem, Rep, Indie.  It makes no difference if a conservative asks the questions if the respondent is handpicked.

Like the East LA mother interviewed: East LA is about 99% Hispanic, illegal immigrant, Democrat.

Sadly, though, the Dems here have created the dependent majority that Obams is still dreaming of.  All the middle class earners have left the building; the takers have remained.

Posted by: PJ at April 05, 2010 06:44 AM (Z9DO/)

47 I live in southern Calif.  Cities, counties, and the state are one step away from complete failure.  When and if this state goes under...so goes the rest of the country.  City after city, county after county and are entire state legislation are Democrats.  There are only  a few pockets of Republican supporters.  It's just a matter of time.  If the Feds bail us out, wow, people across the country are going to be really pissed off.  All Taxpayers will be paying for all the dumb fuck policies written and enforced by a clear majority of DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS, in California.

Posted by: Sparky at April 05, 2010 06:47 AM (r0u40)

48
Tax Hollywooders at  95% to pay for the big broken nanny tit.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 05, 2010 06:48 AM (0fzsA)

49 #48, I agree. This is why us Texas get to talkin' about secession again - we don't wanna be part of the same country as you jagoffs in Kalifornia anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2010 06:54 AM (T1boi)

50 Considering a large portion of California "voters" (and I think we can use that term lightly) don't have a clue who their papa is, this is not surprising.

Posted by: Editor at April 05, 2010 06:54 AM (pUfK9)

51 We just had another parasitic Cali family move into the hood the other day. Guy was out to the mbox and said hello. I turned around and walked away without saying a word.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 05, 2010 06:54 AM (EL+OC)

52 Now it is 1984
Knock-knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece

Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower.

Posted by: The Dead Kennedys at April 05, 2010 06:55 AM (mHQ7T)

53 I guess if your view towards a better life is to steal others' money, you are an obama supporter.

Posted by: J at April 05, 2010 06:57 AM (T3/qP)

54 When I hear "big broken nanny tit" I think of the Speaker of the House and her saggy Milk Duds.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 05, 2010 06:57 AM (mHQ7T)

55

What do you expect when a large number of voters in CA are illegal immigrants who came there for a free ride? Of course, they shouldn't be voting but they are encouraged and enabled by the liberals, who need them as a power base.

Sadly, there are still sizeable numbers of "Republicans" who either have romantic notions of immigration or are addicted to cheap hired help.

Southern CA is a lost cause; de-annex it from the union and/or nuke it from orbit.

Actually, NorCal near the coast is no better, and arguably even worse. San Diego at least still has a sizeable military presence and Orange County still has lots of Republican patriots. The real divison in Cali is more Coast / Interior than North / South

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 06:58 AM (ujg0T)

56 The red states are the true welfare queens, and yet they still have the gall to pontificate about how bad government handouts are as they cash their checks.

Posted by: Typical Fucking Moonbat at April 05, 2010 07:02 AM (mHQ7T)

57 Remember, this is the state where Cal students walked onto a freeway to "protest" tuition increases. Yea, not too many bright people here, and don't forget the solidly Democrat ghettos of SF, Oakland and LA.

Posted by: KG at April 05, 2010 07:02 AM (DeCj1)

58 Whoa, pardner. That's the LA Times throwing out all that happy Obamacare talk. You gotta tak it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at April 05, 2010 07:02 AM (Lq9ag)

59 No real surprise here. But I wasn't really counting on CA's assistance in the planned rollback this November anyway. The state will actually have to go broke, and be broken, for the nanny state mentality to disappear.

Posted by: exdem13 at April 05, 2010 07:03 AM (lYKj1)

60

Me personally I'm taking a wait and see attitude on all of this, since for the most part any poll conducted by the MSM is only fit to line bird cages with in the first place.

The Field Poll is particularly notorious for this--always a 5% leftward skew, and on teh ghey issues even more than that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 07:04 AM (ujg0T)

61 or are addicted to cheap hired help.

Except it's not cheap; the taxpayers are picking up the tab. Fuck these lowlife politicians and celebrities who feel we should pay for their maids' benefits.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 05, 2010 07:04 AM (mHQ7T)

62

Well that proves it.

Drugs do serious damage to DNA as evidenced by the Idiocracy population of Californicate. Not only are the ancient hippies (still) disconnected from reality, now their adult children demonstrate the (obvious) brain damage of their own drug habits combined with the genetic intelligence deficit from broken DNA inherited from their drug addled parents. QED.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 05, 2010 07:05 AM (adr25)

63

Except it's not cheap; the taxpayers are picking up the tab. Fuck these lowlife politicians and celebrities who feel we should pay for their maids' benefits.

You are absolutely right. But the Bushyrovies and the Wall Street Journal greedheads still won't admit that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 07:06 AM (ujg0T)

64 California is determined to drive all businesses out of the state,  -- but the leeches will stay.

Posted by: Fritz at April 05, 2010 07:13 AM (GwPRU)

65 In related news, I support the San Andreas Fault.  May it become increasingly active.

Posted by: Taqiyy. at April 05, 2010 07:22 AM (ltfED)

66 Your state supports the intentional human-caused destruction of America?

I support the random, natural, "act-of-God" destruction of your state.

In that, I can still claim the moral high ground, and do.

Posted by: Taqiyy. at April 05, 2010 07:26 AM (ltfED)

67 You can have all the free insurance you want, actual health care?  Well... you'll have to wait for that... and that's only if the numbers add up for you.

Posted by: Macho Comacho at April 05, 2010 07:28 AM (obXkJ)

68 Gabe, it's the LA Times.They are in the tank for Obie to a degree that is almost Himmleresque.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 05, 2010 07:29 AM (wtFSd)

69 If you couldn't afford insurance before, we'll offer it to you cheaper now, on the backs of your fellow citizens! What's that, you still can't afford it? Well, we'll fine you for not buying any then. What a great deal, eh?

And yeah, trusting the LA times and polling is just... ignorant, to say the least.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2010 07:32 AM (PQY7w)

70 Is this the same LAT that had the Governator down double digits in his first Governors race, only to win by doubls digits?

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at April 05, 2010 07:42 AM (ucq49)

71
When I hear "big broken nanny tit" I think of the Speaker of the House and her saggy Milk Duds.

I do too.  I blame Nanny Nancy Nazi.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 05, 2010 07:42 AM (0fzsA)

72 Fine, California voters support health care? I support not being under the same government they are. Somebody could start rounding up California liberals and turning them into air pollution, and I'd be really hard-pressed to give a shit anymore.

Posted by: SGT Dan at April 05, 2010 07:53 AM (GgXZc)

73 California is a preview of Mark Steyn's vision of America after the realignment of the relationship between citizen and state.  The native dependency class (of all colors) is more than happy to be bought off.  And the immigrant class, however supposedly socially conservative they are, is too accustomed to third world politics to decline welfare and really get ahead.  But we need to hold the line at the California border, not imitate them and never bail them out, or the US of A is not going to be salvageable.

Posted by: Dave R. at April 05, 2010 07:55 AM (iTEXe)

74 More evidence that marijuana causes brain damage long term. No other explanation

Posted by: dagny at April 05, 2010 07:57 AM (jRNQ3)

75 are addicted to cheap hired help.

Hiring legal workers makes the price of produce go up a whole 3% (9 cents on $3/pint strawberries).  R&D departments are doing amazing things with harvesting machines these days, until their budgets get cut to pay for Obamacare.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 05, 2010 07:57 AM (RwvOw)

76

This is why I advocate the nuclear option in California. The GOP should just "Go Galt." Let the Democrats have a simple majority to pass budgets. Let them pass the global warming bill. Give them everything they want. Only in utter and total destruction of the liberal infrastructure will wake people up. Only then will people be forced to choose between the right and the left. Betweem liberalism and conservatism. The liberals that have been able to "afford" liberalism won't be able to, the minorities that have voted Democrats all their lives will see their most depply held beliefs about the Democrat party revealed as lies.

Let the liberals have the state, THEN we can rebuild it.

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at April 05, 2010 08:05 AM (JpqtI)

77 Not this Californian.  There are hundreds of thousands like me.  Where was this poll taken?   In East LA? 

Posted by: Jayne on the left coast at April 05, 2010 08:08 AM (vE5U0)

78 #80: Sorry, but "destroying the village in order to save it" didn't go over well during Tet, and I don't think it will go over well today.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 08:08 AM (ujg0T)

79 Makes some sense, the Big Government mentality is what brought California to its current prosperity.  (/s) The state is undergoing population loss.  Intuition says that the self-sufficient and those disgusted with the CA Entitlement Empire are more likely to leave and those who enjoy their entitlements are more likely to stay.  I'd expect the state to poll wackier as more people flee the place in search of opportunity.

Posted by: obladioblada at April 05, 2010 08:09 AM (vkdvJ)

80

But... we're going to get a high-speed rail system that few will use and everyone will pay for. The people have spoken!

All we need is just a few more regulations and just a few more taxes we'll have an environmental and worker's utopia right here.

s/ A. Californian

Posted by: Max Entropy at April 05, 2010 08:09 AM (uuZjB)

81

Hiring legal workers makes the price of produce go up a whole 3% (9 cents on $3/pint strawberries).  R&D departments are doing amazing things with harvesting machines these days, until their budgets get cut to pay for Obamacare.

Like I said before, you are absolutely right. But the Bushyrovies and the Wall Street Journal greedheads still won't admit that.

The Bushyrovies did this to themselves. When did their polls go into the sewer? When they pushed "Comprehensive" Scamnesty. Nope, not the Iraq War--look at exactly when those poll numbers fell.

As a general rule, whenever you hear the word "Comprehensive", just like when you hear the term "progressive", it's a sign of impending Commiecrat ruin.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 08:11 AM (ujg0T)

82
Gimme, gimme, gimme free shit.

Posted by: kaliforian at April 05, 2010 08:12 AM (Q2mW1)

83 It's the freaking LA Times.  Anybody who believes a word that they say is dumber than a brick.  I ;ove in the LA area, and I know what I'm talking about.

Besides, they are careful to poll illegal aliens, welfare queens, government workers and like to get the numbers that they want.

Besides everything else, they are completely dishonest in their business dealings.  Twice, they have started delivering their newspaper to me without even contacting me first.  Then they claimed that I had "signed up".  Just plain crooks.

Folks, you are talking about people who are not only totally dishonest, but proud of it!

Posted by: GaryS at April 05, 2010 08:12 AM (WFVmk)

84 52 We just had another parasitic Cali family move into the hood the other day. Guy was out to the mbox and said hello. I turned around and walked away without saying a word.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 05, 2010 10:54 AM (EL+OC)

 

What's up with that? Is it possible that he fled CA to be around like-minded people as I'm considering doing?

Posted by: Max Entropy at April 05, 2010 08:14 AM (uuZjB)

85

81  Don't feel bad sister (sister, right?) -- same thing happens here.  The major metros are polled, maybe a few college enclaves.  The results are applied to everybody in the state.

Sincerely,

somebody from a state in about as bad a shape as Cali

Posted by: unknown jane at April 05, 2010 08:21 AM (5/yRG)

86 #82, I'm the one who wants to destroy the villages. And really saving them isn't part of my agenda, I'm wanting to save us. I'm beginning to think of entrenched liberal communities as gangrenous limbs or tumors. Cut them out and eliminate them before they destroy the rest of us.

Posted by: SGT Dan at April 05, 2010 08:25 AM (GgXZc)

87 sounds like a slanted poll to me, especially if it's the LA Times. i'm a californian and there are more of us conservatives here than you think. we are pushing hard for change (the good, conservative kind) out here in la-la land.

Posted by: red at April 05, 2010 08:28 AM (akHM/)

88

I left California a year and a half ago.

Not all California is liberal.. but unfortunately.. voters in LA and SF out number the sane parts of the state.

Let California fail. ... bankrupt.. Ka-poot.     That is the only thing that will work.. let them see what the liberal nonsense has done to thier beautiful state.

Posted by: Timbo at April 05, 2010 08:37 AM (7GgDy)

89 What did you expect? This is why California is bankrupt - financially, morally, and ethically.

Posted by: Steve at April 05, 2010 08:37 AM (+ds8F)

90

#82, I'm the one who wants to destroy the villages. And really saving them isn't part of my agenda, I'm wanting to save us. I'm beginning to think of entrenched liberal communities as gangrenous limbs or tumors. Cut them out and eliminate them before they destroy the rest of us.

I do understand this. I have often joked (well, not entirely joking) that four small atom bombs-- detonated on San Francisco, Oakland/Berkeley, South Central LA, and West Hollywood--would save this state, like cauterizing the gangrene.

That said, I'm not ready to give up the ship just yet. Maybe I am holding onto a lost cause--once upon a time, this was THE best place on earth to live.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 08:38 AM (ujg0T)

91 The idiots here in Kalifornia will 'get' it when their taxes go up to pay for all the federal mandates that will be switched onto the states back.  The states current fiscal crisis means nothing to the dumb asses living here.  Just as long as they get 'free' stuff.

Posted by: GarandFan at April 05, 2010 08:40 AM (6mwMs)

92 On a related note, while I know a lot of AOS readers loathe the bombastic style of commentator Michael "Savage" Weiner, I have to sympathize with him. It is the frustration of someone watching what was once the best place on earth to live, slowly turning into shit over the last two decades.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 05, 2010 08:42 AM (ujg0T)

93 Well, nothing has been felt directly from obamacare. Wait until taxes kick in! Then take another poll. Not just California but the rest of the country.

Posted by: Mitch at April 05, 2010 08:43 AM (lJEjQ)

94 Californians are bad enough, but you can count on the LA Times to cook a poll about this time of year for the upcoming election. Remember when they said that nobody wanted Grey Davis recalled? Or that the Democrat hack Bustamante was way way ahead in the recall election?

The LA Times does this kind of thing far worse than the NY Times.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 05, 2010 08:57 AM (z1N6a)

95 Sooner or later my state of California will go under and we will try get the rest of the country to bail us out.  Don't underestimate this threat, we have a lot of representatives in Congress.  My advice to you people out there is: Don't let it happen.
This state needs to fail and fail hard.  I know that this will fall on me to a degree but what is wrong with CA will never get fixed until the people in this state are reeducated by reality.

Posted by: RayJ at April 05, 2010 08:58 AM (YcjCJ)

96

Between Illegals and Progressives, CA is dominated by parasites. Yo Jane ! .... it doesn't matter what the Productives think ... the show done be run by dem extraspeshul oppressed groups, si ? Nahmean ?  If you got pigment yo dreams ain't no figment !

Businesses flee the state. Pathology rules it's major metro enclaves. BFS they'd vote for a synthetic creation ... stand here - wear these clothes - say these words - BRILLIANT !

52% of the national electorate voted for Mau-Mau Man; factor in votes from the Remnant States and the fraction who opted for the Halfrican-American in AhnuldLand is what ... 60% ... soon to be 75% with el Amnestio ? 

And since the Dems = RINOP, the answer will not be forthcoming from the political process; it's irretrievably corrupted.

Posted by: OhioDude at April 05, 2010 08:58 AM (d6j6Y)

97 That's what the sense of entitlement does: 

"Bbuuuutt... I WANT IT!!!!   I don't care if you say we can't afford it, I want it, want it, want it, and I WANT IT NOW ---waaaaah, you're so NOT FAIR to me.... you're so mean.... I hate you I hate you I really do!!! "

An entire state filled with three-year-olds?  Gagggh.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 05, 2010 09:01 AM (hq0VE)

98 100 wtf???

Posted by: unknown jane at April 05, 2010 09:06 AM (5/yRG)

99 Godammed stupid fucking hippies. I hate them all. I love this state but the people here are fricking idiots. part of the problem is the Public School Gulags are run by the fricking hippy-wannabe teachers, and turn out Stupid by the ton. Carpet bomb all of this stupid state with neutron bombs. I'd be gladly willing to take one for the team to rid this state of the stupid. Failing that, it's time for the New Crusades here. not the smelly towelheads, but the fricking hippies need to die in droves. Gotta go clean the guns so I'll feel a bit better. (rants off into the distance...)

Posted by: KilltheHippies at April 05, 2010 09:06 AM (VKfXw)

100 I pray everyday for the meteors to come and hit california, north and south of us.  Maybe in 2012 as it is predicted by the calender, just in time for Christmass.  Wouldn't that just change things for the better out here, in the nut and fruit state. 

Posted by: Heltau at April 05, 2010 09:07 AM (RZDTZ)

101

@95 GarandFan,

then these idiots move to other states and start all over again. It metastisizes like a virile cancer. Just ask Oregon and Washington states.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 05, 2010 09:11 AM (adr25)

102 Wait..you say Cali wants handouts? They want nipple to grave treatment? I am fucking shocked I tell ya.

Posted by: Jonahec at April 05, 2010 09:12 AM (QC5j9)

103 dammit need to get my name right

Posted by: Jonahex at April 05, 2010 09:12 AM (QC5j9)

104 re: 104 -- Meteor shower of death ok, that works, too. or a series of plagues. whatever works. now if the unemployed were to turn into hippy killing mass murdering machines, they'd end up with a cushy existence on death row, cable tv, great health care, safe environment. and no one ever gets executed on death row. life expenctancy there is better than anywhere else. i think you get conjugal visits there, too, so you might end up getting laid more than you do now. always a silver lining, man, always a silver lining.

Posted by: KilltheHippies at April 05, 2010 09:13 AM (VKfXw)

105 I spend my time between Houston and Los Angeles. One thing I can say with confidence is that, politically speaking, California is one dumb state. I suspect the numbers above may be over stating support for Obamacare, but there is no doubt in my mind it enjoys its highest level of support in California. Did I mention that California is one dumb state?

Posted by: Tommy V at April 05, 2010 09:18 AM (gkc1e)

106 this is the land of the free, right? I wants some mo free shit.

Posted by: gubmint edumcated Kaliphornian at April 05, 2010 09:49 AM (DYJjQ)

107 #94, and I don't want to have to resort to re-education camps and Einsatzgruppen shit, but I hate to think it might be necessary to save the rest of us. We either vote them off the island, or kick them off the island if they won't go.

Posted by: SGT Dan at April 05, 2010 09:50 AM (GgXZc)

108 That's why I am trying to get a job in another state.
I'm surrounded by morons.

Posted by: 1idvet at April 05, 2010 11:03 AM (xUxh3)

109 I live in CA and I don't know anyone who wants this crap, period!!  Everyone knows it's crap.  I work in a dental office and not one day goes by that someone does not say something about Urkel, something negative.  Oh I take that back I had a catholic priest defend him, yea the priest man said he is just wonderful.  I said father what about the infanticide that Obama supports?  Oh that's a lie he says, a lie.  Who is lying?

Posted by: jeaneeinabottle at April 05, 2010 11:51 AM (YHikx)

110 San Jose paper a couple months ago reported that dems were trying to raise 28 million to launch a smear campaign against Meg Whitman (ex CEO of EBAY, running for gov). She has been running a well-received campaign, pointing out what a mess the liberals have left the state in. two months later..... nothin. The dims have yet to even field an electable candidate. Even so, I heard a local pol on NPR(!)   saying California's biggest problem is that in order to be elected, you have to promise free everything. A large percentage of those I speak to understand that the state is in big trouble, but are just as certain that it is not their pet project, like High speed rail, is not the problem.

Posted by: bigDon at April 05, 2010 12:31 PM (QMkI+)

111 105 "...these idiots move to other states and start all over again. It metastisizes like a virile cancer. Just ask Oregon and Washington states." ....and Colorado.

Posted by: Mindy at April 05, 2010 12:47 PM (uCsg8)

112 Hell, I'd emigrate if I could.  This place is hopeless, even though there are a lot of decent folks here.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 05, 2010 12:53 PM (kmEfr)

113 The latest poll of registered voters in California suggests that California voters aren't reacting the same way as most of the rest of the country

And this is somehow surprising because...???

Posted by: antisocialist at April 05, 2010 12:58 PM (Rwudm)

114

116 105 "...these idiots move to other states and start all over again. It metastisizes like a virile cancer. Just ask Oregon and Washington states."

....and Colorado.

**********

....and New Hampshire, where the snotty lib refugees from Mass. and VT. sneeringly refer to the locals as "woodchucks".

Posted by: effinayright at April 05, 2010 01:00 PM (3sB5l)

115 Ummmm......I'm from CA and I don't support ObamaCare!  And I'm a registered voter and was not  invited to participate in any poll.  If they only poll the dems/liberals, of course the end result will look that way.  Okay, who am I kidding.......I'm surrounded by crazies!!!

Posted by: Mountain Mom at April 05, 2010 01:59 PM (7zvBA)

116 I live in California.  In San Francisco, in fact (don't ask; long story).  Of the SF residents I have spoken to (and trust me, letting SFers know you have even slight conservative leanings is to ask for a screaming shit fit) all believe the state is either in no financial difficulty that couldn't be fixed by taxing corporations and the rich, and that Obamacare will be "business as usual for free."
I live here and I can't wait for it to fail.  I can't wait until their NIMBY/BANANA policies result in rolling electric blackouts.  I can't wait until their anti-business attitude produces 35% unemployment.  I can't wait until gas is $17.50 a gallon from taxes.  Until their morning Starbucks and pastry is $25 due to caffeine and fat/sugar taxes.  Etcetera.
Then I'll leave.

Posted by: Nemo from Erewhon at April 05, 2010 04:05 PM (5mWrT)

117 California is a lost cause. Just let us go.

Posted by: SukieTawdry at April 05, 2010 04:28 PM (gZjIL)

118 Nothing will happen until the credit card is fully maxed AND then used one last time where the clerk cuts it up in front of our faces. It will be very interesting that day when the voters who vote Dem say "What do you mean there's no more free money?"

Posted by: sexypig at April 05, 2010 06:34 PM (yr+9D)

119

As a conservative Californian I am offended.   Less than half of the respondents to a cooked poll favor Obamacare and it's catnip to the "decent" people who live out of state and wish every bad thing to happen to us.   One thing you can say about CA, when the hurricanes hit or the midwest floods or the ice storms, we don't get on the internet and gloat over other peoples' suffering.   Too bad we aren't 'them good people in middle America.'  Not to mention we beat back gay marriage three times.  Iowa, hello???????

Since central CA supplies a large portion of the nation's food supply, some of you shouldn't b***h while your plate is full.

As for high speed rail, it could be a success as a private project.  It's a big state to travel and I know people who would use it.  No public funds though.  Costs a fortune to travel interstate by plane.

Campbell will edge out Boxer, I think.   He's not that bad.  Conservatives Simon and Connerly are supporting him.   He's actually pretty good on fiscal issues.   Yes, I do believe our state should go bankrupt so the freeloaders will go back to where they came from and hippies will lose power (God willing).   Historically, CA was a challenging place to live.   Those of us who are natives will be just fine.

Posted by: misty at April 05, 2010 07:07 PM (hrx3G)

120 We can haz moar $$$ naow ?

Posted by: California Teachers Association at April 05, 2010 09:19 PM (7ZyYf)

121  National Observer scopescienceblog

Posted by: scopescienceblog at April 05, 2010 10:01 PM (iccJ7)

123 I'm a Californian and I despise Obama and his hell-spawn Obamacare.  And when this state finally collapses into bankruptcy I will be furious if it is bailed out by the Federal Government.  Seeing the results of a Socialist meltdown may wake up some of the bliss-ninnies here.  Or not.  In any case, the rest of the country should refuse to pay for treating California's self-inflicted wounds.

Posted by: nraendowment at April 06, 2010 12:38 AM (WN5r+)

124 California won't be bailed out, because it is the prototype for Obama's federal government. As California goes, so goes the rest of the country.

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