July 11, 2010

Uh-Oh: Michael Bellesiles At It Again?
— Ace

Michael Bellesiles last work of "history" was a proof, he alleged, that early America had in fact never had many privately-owned guns, and that our "gun culture" was an invention of relatively recent vintage.

His evidence for this surprising proposition was a meticulous accounting of probate records, which he carefully combed through to find that very few Americans owned a gun at their deaths, at least in the first hundred years or so of the Republic.

He got some major awards and was instantly lauded as important historian. The political-education complex loved him.

One problem: the probates he supposedly checked showed far higher incidences of gun ownership than he reported, and, alas, a good many of the probate records he checked turned out to not exist.

He was exposed as a fraud and fabricator to such a degree even the political-education complex couldn't cover for him, and he was cast out of his professorship at Emory University.

He's now teaching at a small, second tier (if that) school in Connecticut. One would think he's ready to bear down and really do some solid research this time around, to maybe earn a little of his reputation back. And avoid just making stuff up that will sell to the liberal political-education complex.

Well... you may think that but you'd be wrong, it seems.

What is sort of remarkable about this is that Bellesiles story here -- about a student whose brother is killed in Iraq, and another veteran who only suddenly (under Bellesiles' instruction) realizes the men he's killed have families of their own, and hence decides to not re-enlist -- is so minor, so weak, so lame. It does of course have a liberal-pleasing moral to it, but a fuzzy and weak one.

It's as if he constructed a tale that was as unimportant as humanly possible in order to avoid drawing attention to it and getting it checked out.

Well, Jim Lindgren checked anyway, and he can find absolutely no men killed in Iraq during the time frame in question (or even nearby timeframes) whose deaths correspond at all to the details provided by Bellesiles.

Thanks to dri.

Posted by: Ace at 08:26 AM | Comments (128)
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1 In Soviet Union, Michael Bellesiles blows YOU!

Oh, wait, wrong thread. Sorry...

Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at July 11, 2010 08:27 AM (by9OI)

2 Hey!  Aesop's shit was made up, too!

Posted by: Michael Bellesiles at July 11, 2010 08:32 AM (I30wK)

3 Let me guess.....voted for Obama? I remember his gun-book scandal. He and his enablers, they tried, oh how they tried, but the fakery was so bad they had no choice but to slither back into their holes and let Time give them another chance now.

Posted by: eman at July 11, 2010 08:33 AM (132iP)

4 Yeah read this over at Instypundit.  This guy is an arrogant prick. 

Wouldn't you think his last slap down would teach him something?

Guess not, I think he's got serious problems.  Like he's a fucking commie Kook.  Which means MSNBC will sign him up next week.

Spain or Dutch?  What says the head Ewok?

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 08:34 AM (2+9Yx)

5 When this guy writes a grocery list
Half the ingredients don't exist.
Purple potatoes, blue french fries,
A fraud, a fantasy, a pack of lies.

Burma Shave.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 11, 2010 08:36 AM (I30wK)

6 So he'll be getting a Pulitzer?

Posted by: gebrauchshund at July 11, 2010 08:37 AM (d7k0J)

7

Wow!  Ace up already and it's only 9:34 on teh West Coast!

Gee, another liberal caught in multiple lies.  Funny how that's a resume enhancer for people on the left.  I'm sure this story will only be reported on conservative blogs and Talk Radio.  The media will continue to selectively report things that promote the lefty agenda.  I'm not surprised by the blackout of the NBPP, the disaster in The Gulf and Obama's obvious disinterest, and other major stories by the media, but I am truly disgusted.

Posted by: runningrn at July 11, 2010 08:38 AM (CfmlF)

8 @#1 In fantasia, story make Bellesiles fake.. ha!

Posted by: UGrev at July 11, 2010 08:38 AM (862vz)

9 5 When this guy writes a grocery list
Half the ingredients don't exist.
Purple potatoes, blue french fries,
A fraud, a fantasy, a pack of lies.

Burma Shave.

 

Psst, Herr--there are purple potatos.


Posted by: Purple Potato Eater at July 11, 2010 08:39 AM (CfmlF)

10 Sounds true enough to me.

Posted by: Ward Churchill at July 11, 2010 08:41 AM (7+pP9)

11

Psst, Herr--there are purple potatos.


Posted by: Purple Potato Eater at July 11, 2010 12:39 PM (CfmlF)

Not internally.

And I noted that right after I posted it.

Mike Bellesiles just texted me and said "aint no thang".

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 11, 2010 08:42 AM (I30wK)

12 So he'll be getting a Pulitzer?

You beat me to it.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2010 08:42 AM (/jbAw)

13 He was exposed as a fraud and fabricator You call it "fraud and fabricat[ion]". I call it "empathy". I could nominate this guy to the SCOTUS tomorrow. Just watch me.

Posted by: The Precedent, Nobel Lariat, Master of the Oceans, ... at July 11, 2010 08:42 AM (Qp4DT)

14 Bellesiles is another word for BULLSHIT.  He's lying through his teeth, again.  Ernie says his brother 'RECENTLY'  joined the miltary; so he goes through basic, then advanced individual training, is assigned to a combat unit, and is shipped off to war........all in the space of a semester?  NOT going to happen.  Bellesiles evidently thinks troop replacement is as it was during Vietnam.  WRONG!

Posted by: GarandFan at July 11, 2010 08:43 AM (6mwMs)

15

He was exposed as a fraud and fabricator to such a degree even the political-education complex couldn't cover for him, and he was cast out of his professorship at Emory University.

Not only that, his book was pulled from publication.

Now that is pretty bad.

Posted by: HH at July 11, 2010 08:43 AM (6oDXl)

16 He needs a better ghost-writer.

Posted by: Precedent Fershizzle at July 11, 2010 08:43 AM (I30wK)

17 So, you Wingnuts are saying no American soldiers died in Iraq? Please, cracka.

Posted by: Raydick Mulva at July 11, 2010 08:44 AM (132iP)

18 He only made stuff up to get tenure.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 11, 2010 08:44 AM (uKraB)

19 "His evidence for this surprising proposition was a meticulous accounting of probate records, which he carefully combed through to find that very few Americans owned a gun at their deaths, at least in the first hundred years or so of the Republic."

O
K...so nobody hunted back then? I mean just applying logic to his conclusions would mean no one hunted except with a bow and no one felt the need to protect themselves from unfriendly Indigenous Tribes. More likley, those who didn't own guns were probably those who lived in the larger cities their entire lives where hunting and protection were unnecessary. And as long as we're applying logic, it would also seem that the more accurate probate records would only be those found in the larger cities where they were less likely to be harmed or lost. And even then it's been proven this guy was making up a lot of these records.

Posted by: g at July 11, 2010 08:45 AM (foYyr)

20 I had a Bellesiles on my ass once.

'Ol Doc Johnson had to lance it.

Posted by: Jeen Grobs, backwoods cousin at July 11, 2010 08:45 AM (EcnhM)

21 "So, you Wingnuts are saying no American soldiers died in Iraq? "

Go back to school.  CONCENTRATE on 'reading comprehension'.

Posted by: GarandFan at July 11, 2010 08:45 AM (6mwMs)

22 This closing ceremony is trippin'.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 08:46 AM (BP6Z1)

23 Aw shit, Shakira is singing.  Time ot hit MUTE.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 08:48 AM (BP6Z1)

24 He'll be hired as an expert commentator at MSNBC before the turd he wrote gets a crust.

Posted by: SurferDoc at July 11, 2010 08:48 AM (RtfTo)

25
My mouthcorners are raisedlifted.

Posted by: do you do what i do? at July 11, 2010 08:48 AM (O+0rz)

26

Hmm. When I first read about it at BigJ., the writer had checked Conn. records assuming the brother was also from Conn., which didn't seem thorough enough for me.

I'm still on the fence; if he changed the name, he could have changed the timing or something to protect the identity.

Of course, given the guy's track record, chances are very good that he's lying again.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 11, 2010 08:48 AM (XdlcF)

27
Ann Coulter? said the only soldiers the liberals like are fake ones and dead ones.

Posted by: do you do what i do? at July 11, 2010 08:49 AM (O+0rz)

28 22 "So, you Wingnuts are saying no American soldiers died in Iraq? "

Go back to school.  CONCENTRATE on 'reading comprehension'.

Posted by: GarandFan at July 11, 2010 12:45 PM (6mwMs)

--I think that's a froll.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 08:50 AM (BP6Z1)

29
Expect to this cocksucking turd, Michael Bellisles, on CNN with Eliot Spitzer.

Posted by: do you do what i do? at July 11, 2010 08:51 AM (O+0rz)

30 I know a lot of guys that got killed in Iraq and they all said Cheney ordered it.

Posted by: Raydick Mulva at July 11, 2010 08:52 AM (132iP)

31 Not mention, probate is a stupid way to determine gun ownership. My two late uncles were big gun guys. As they grew old and frail, they began giving away their guns to their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews (me) Some were collectables, but most were hunting rifles. By the time they both passed away, I'm pretty sure they had given almost all of them away so they could be used for hunting. None of these firearms were in a will or probate. I suspect this is pretty common, cause I've seen it happen dozens of times in other families, too.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at July 11, 2010 08:52 AM (uKraB)

32

ace,  your mindthoughts are causing eyetears on my headface.

Posted by: Michael Bellesiles at July 11, 2010 08:54 AM (t72+4)

33
Remember GILLIGAN'S ISLAND?

We need a new show called DOUCHE BAG ISLAND. The castaways would include turds such as Ward Churchill, Cindy Sheehan, Eliot Spitzer, Eric Massa, Richard Clark, Scott Ritter, Scott Beauchamp, Lawrence Tribe, Michael Bellisles, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Tiger Woods, the cast of The View, Dan Rather, Levi Johnston, and many many more.

Each week we can watch as they starve and turn to cannibalism to stay alive.

Posted by: spurwing plover's first acolyte at July 11, 2010 08:56 AM (O+0rz)

34
oh, and Peter Arnett, Sean Penn, and George Clooney.

Posted by: spurwing plover's first acolyte at July 11, 2010 08:57 AM (O+0rz)

35

I'm still on the fence; if he changed the name, he could have changed the timing or something to protect the identity.

There was a link the other day on Instapundit. The author searched and searched, and could only find one case that seemed to fit. But it wasn't anywheres near where Bellesiles was teaching. And the author couldn't find any link to his school.

 

Posted by: HH at July 11, 2010 08:58 AM (6oDXl)

36 Damn, Morons are still posting on the Hill blog!

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 08:59 AM (BP6Z1)

37 OT
Ace, if you haven't checked the comments thread over at the Hill, you might, uh, want to.  A few morons showed up.  Also, Charles Johnson, the oil spill, Paul Anka, Double Rainbow Guy, Chris Matthews, Granny McBotox, and lace wigs.

Posted by: Filly at July 11, 2010 09:00 AM (6ab9q)

38 Just what the hell are liberal doofuses going to do if conservatives keep stopping them from making shit up? Huh!?

Kill puppies! That's what!

Think of the puppies!


Posted by: sifty shabazz shomer shabbos malik sobchak at July 11, 2010 09:00 AM (gBqaB)

39 OT other than dealing with a criminal: Barefoot Bandit teen criminal captured in the Bahamas. PGiS gets her wish.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2010 09:02 AM (7b1Uc)

40 Filly, shhh. I think the situation calls for plasible deniability for Ace.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 11, 2010 09:02 AM (XdlcF)

41 Crap, my comment from C & L last night got deleted.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 09:03 AM (BP6Z1)

42 Me too, filly bitch!!!

Posted by: DOCTOR Amy Bishop at July 11, 2010 09:03 AM (7b1Uc)

43 Wasn't just me.  The admin there was very busy this morning.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 09:04 AM (BP6Z1)

44 The Hill seems to have turned on comment moderation on this particular post.

Huh.  Can't imagine why.

Posted by: Filly at July 11, 2010 09:05 AM (6ab9q)

45 Sen. Ben Nelson's post was sweet.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 09:07 AM (BP6Z1)

46
holy shit, you know what's worse Sting singing Roxanne?

Sting's version of Roxanne unplugged. What an awful song sung by an awful singer. He's fucking screaming like a little bitch.

Posted by: spurwing plover's first acolyte at July 11, 2010 09:07 AM (O+0rz)

47 Hey, who is that other little twit woman that use to be on CNN or PBS that got caught lying?  Short little bitch, having a senior moment.  Ruth?  Says shes a historian?

WTF is her name

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 09:07 AM (2+9Yx)

48 Am I the only one who thinks Ace might not be thrilled at people being so silly over there?

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 11, 2010 09:08 AM (XdlcF)

49 C & L ????

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 09:09 AM (2+9Yx)

50
Mama, I'm a little disappointed in the comments over there. The point was to be subtle-ly ironic and incriminate the Left with their own hypocrisy.

Instead it turned into a circle jerk. These young ones, they have a lot to learn still.

Posted by: spurwing plover's first acolyte at July 11, 2010 09:11 AM (O+0rz)

51 Bellesiles, on losing his position, must have felt wronged.  He was pushed to make things up for his entire academic career.  It was the source of his perceived excellence in the first place.  "Who changed the rules of the game all of the sudden?"

Posted by: Cincinnatus at July 11, 2010 09:11 AM (TGmQa)

52 50 Am I the only one who thinks Ace might not be thrilled at people being so silly over there?

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 11, 2010 01:08 PM (XdlcF)

--Personally, I thought it was funny, but at the same time the inside jokes were probably lost on a lot of people.

51 C & L ????

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 01:09 PM (2+9Yx)

--Crooks and Liars.  It's a "progressive" blog that Ohio Dan had us troll last night, on the podcast thread.  Almost all the deleted stuff was ours.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 09:11 AM (BP6Z1)

53 C&L is a loonie left web site, Kemp, that some of the morons are attempting to mass troll.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2010 09:11 AM (7b1Uc)

54 Addendum: Crooks & Liars

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2010 09:12 AM (7b1Uc)

55 Kemp, Doris Kearns Goodwin?

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2010 09:12 AM (qPpkJ)

56 #55

Shit I miss out on all the fun.  Guess I have to pass out later than 10 pm.  I'll pace myself today.  Yeah that's it.

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 09:13 AM (2+9Yx)

57 57 Kemp, Doris Kearns Goodwin?

BINGO!

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 09:14 AM (2+9Yx)

58 As they grew old and frail, they began giving away their guns to their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews (me) ...

Posted by: FreakyBoy at July 11, 2010 12:52 PM (uKraB)







Yep.  That's how I got two of mine.

Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2010 09:15 AM (CPqLO)

59 #60

I got my dad's 45 from WW2!

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 09:15 AM (2+9Yx)

60
There was a Russian spy swap and it's not big news?

Posted by: spurwing plover's first acolyte at July 11, 2010 09:18 AM (O+0rz)

61 Thanks, buzzion.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 11, 2010 09:19 AM (XdlcF)

62 #33

Absolutely correct! How else does one start a gun collection? I thought that's what dads and uncles were for!

Posted by: NJConservative at July 11, 2010 09:19 AM (LH6ir)

63 My cousin is on probate.  Shun.

Posted by: Kevin at July 11, 2010 09:20 AM (GKXDW)

64 There was a Russian spy swap and it's not big news?

Posted by: spurwing plover's first acolyte at July 11, 2010 01:18 PM (O+0rz)

There was no "spy swap".  We have no spies under custody in Russia.  There was a unilateral giving to Russia of 10 Russian spies caught here, and serious enough to have been followed for years, for 4 people who had little or nothing to do with America.

The big news is that anyone is calling it a "spy swap".

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 11, 2010 09:22 AM (Qp4DT)

65 I can't claim ownership of this content (it's from flydye45 @ Megan McArdle's blog), but I think it's a perfect encapsulation of the situation: Hmm 1) Immigrant student, probably first one in college from his family. Check 2) Brother tricked by the War Machine with patriotism and machismo into signing up for the military. Check 3) Semi trained, gung ho but unready, brother is shot in theater by an enemy he could never have defended against (Cue Futility) Check 4) Long LINGERING wound in a desert...in a tent...as his life drains away friendless and alone. (Military brutality) Check 5) Brother at college is given second hand information and the American Dream is snatched for his grasp as TWO lives, nay, a WHOLE FAMILY is ruined by Bush's Stupid War. Check This is some of the finest 'torture porn' for the Left I've seen...what? It's serious? Are you kidding me? Mr Bellesiles, your talents are wasted there. Go to Hollywood immediately so you can make some more films like 'Rendition'

Posted by: Topper Harley at July 11, 2010 09:22 AM (RtyEP)

66 The Hill comment section is still openable and hasn't had any deletions made from last night. (Other than the few posts that didn't make it through the spam/thought crime filter for using forbidden words.)

Link, below, to page 2 of the comments.

I heard the screams (or was it surprise?) of 1,000 Vulcans dying at once in The Hill's comment section and it woke me up enough to link to the comment thread that Ace has deleted the Ace of Spades thread about.

It is here, future morons reading this.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2010 09:25 AM (7b1Uc)

67 61 #60

I got my dad's 45 from WW2!

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 01:15 PM (2+9Yx)




Very cool!

Got a Sat. Night Special (.3 from my great-aunt, and an over-under which needs some repair. 

Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2010 09:26 AM (CPqLO)

68 Let me get this straight, you all were fucking with C & L AND The Hill?

Naughty boys!  I expect we'll see some trolls over here in the next few days.

Food Fight!!

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 09:29 AM (2+9Yx)

69 Way O/T, but do any of you have a link to that video of Jeffrey Donovan and Bruce Campbell visiting the troops in Iraq?  I wanted to show it to my husband, and I cannot find it!

Posted by: runningrn at July 11, 2010 09:33 AM (CfmlF)

70 #60 baldilocks: A simple truth the esteemed academic Bellesiles failed to realize is during the first hundred years of the Republic, hunting pretty much meant survival. A sick/dying patriarch would gladly give his firearms to his sons so they could feed him and the family. I may be wrong, but I'm fairly positive old cavemen dads gave their favorite flint knives to their sons when they got too old to hunt.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at July 11, 2010 09:34 AM (uKraB)

71 He's from the 'Fake but true' school of historians.


Posted by: jakee308 at July 11, 2010 09:36 AM (LrRe7)

72 runningren: I saw it on a Bruce Campbell fan site or his official site.... one of the two.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at July 11, 2010 09:36 AM (uKraB)

73 When I was six years old, my dad gave me a bb gun and said, "don't shoot the cows." I chased cows that whole year. When I was seven, he gave me a 30-30 saddle gun, and said "Now I know you can hit the wolves."

Posted by: Milo at July 11, 2010 09:37 AM (Jqce/)

74

Read Armed America by Clayton E. Cramer for a brief, truthful account of firearms ownership in America from the 1600's to about 1840.  Mr. Cramer had been working on his Masters thesis dealing with early American CCW laws at the time Bellesiles' book came out.  Cramer was directly familiar with some of the sources and noticed errors in Bellesiles' book.

In fact, Bellesiles was "misquoting" sources by changing and deleting text.  He was also just making sh!t up, such as his attributions to San Francisco probate records from the Gold Rush era -- one small problem:  those records don't exist anymore (oops, destroyed in the 1906 earthquake)!

Cramer shows that America was "awash in guns and hunting."

 

 

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at July 11, 2010 09:40 AM (bCQG3)

75 Thanks freakyboy!

Posted by: runningrn at July 11, 2010 09:41 AM (CfmlF)

76 JWF had the Bruce C. link.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 11, 2010 09:43 AM (XdlcF)

77

Dang, I have to go to bed (work tonight). Guess I'm gonna miss some sort of Football game.

Isn't it a little early for the NFL?

Posted by: HH at July 11, 2010 09:44 AM (6oDXl)

78 Ace of Spades is mostly troll-proof.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at July 11, 2010 09:48 AM (TGmQa)

79 Footnotes are for pussies!

Posted by: Howie Zinn at July 11, 2010 09:49 AM (w9BEi)

80 Naughty boys!  I expect we'll see some trolls over here in the next few days.

Food Fight!!

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 01:29 PM (2+9Yx)

The C&L crowd thought the invasion was from LGF.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at July 11, 2010 09:54 AM (w9BEi)

81 I get the feeling that some of ya'll think this guy was simply sloppy in his research of the probate records for that book.

He actually made up and falsified crap. The entire book was a fabrication. Liberal publishers don't withdraw a book because of sloppy work. Liberal universities don't remove liberals for sloppy work.

He was proven a fraud and a liar.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2010 09:59 AM (/jbAw)

82 83 Naughty boys!  I expect we'll see some trolls over here in the next few days.

Food Fight!!

Posted by: Kemp at July 11, 2010 01:29 PM (2+9Yx)

The C&L crowd thought the invasion was from LGF.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at July 11, 2010 01:54 PM (w9BEi) 

--Yeah, it was fun.  Alas, some of the best ones were deleted, but the "can't they just ram all this through in the lame duck session" comment is still there, along with "ron" flirting with SuzytheBlowUpDoll.


Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 10:02 AM (BP6Z1)

83 Well he certainly qualifies for employment at the C.R.U.

Posted by: Beto at July 11, 2010 10:07 AM (H+LJc)

84 Not only did Bellesiles have to resign from Emory, but for the first time in it's history, Columbia University rescinded the Bancroft Prize they'd awarded to the book the previous year. By the way, the book is back in print again, published by.....get this, "Soft Skull Press".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2010 10:11 AM (9Lm5R)

85 Speaking of frauds and liars - Axelturf is on Fox News Sunday, spouting shit about the border and the Death Panel dude nomination and Chris Wallace is shooting him down with facts, point by point, and Axelturf  basically tells Wallace hes full of shit and proceeds to re-state his lies.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 11, 2010 10:11 AM (E5Pqe)

86

<blockquote>a student whose brother is killed in Iraq</blockquote>

Hey, I knew that guy when we were both in country!

Posted by: Jesse Macbeth at July 11, 2010 10:12 AM (xVAyN)

87 And Axelturf wraps up with - BOOOOSHHHH!!!!

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 11, 2010 10:12 AM (E5Pqe)

88 By the way, the book is back in print again, published by.....get this, "Soft Skull Press".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2010 02:11 PM (9Lm5R)

--Damn, if I were writing my own fiction about this, I could not come up with a better name.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 10:13 AM (BP6Z1)

89 89 Speaking of frauds and liars - Axelturf is on Fox News Sunday, spouting shit about the border and the Death Panel dude nomination and Chris Wallace is shooting him down with facts, point by point, and Axelturf  basically tells Wallace hes full of shit and proceeds to re-state his lies.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 11, 2010 02:11 PM (E5Pqe)

--Sweet.  I wish I could see some video on it.

Anyway, they'll just whine that Fox News is distorting again.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 10:14 AM (BP6Z1)

90 Axelturf is on Fox News Sunday, spouting shit about the border and the Death Panel dude nomination and Chris Wallace is shooting him down with facts, point by point, and Axelturf  basically tells Wallace hes full of shit and proceeds to re-state his lies.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 11, 2010 02:11 PM (E5Pqe)

At the end of Axelrod's rant, he started listing all of the organizations (AARP - LOL) that "support" Berwick.  Wallace had a perfect opportunity to point out that the Constitution doesn't care if AARP approves of a nominee from the Executive branch, but requires that the Senate do the approving.  Wallace didn't have time, I guess, but I would have rather heard him go after Axeldouche on that simple Constitutional issue than on some of the other stuff (though I do think Wallace did generally state the case pretty well).

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 11, 2010 10:14 AM (Qp4DT)

91

Hey, I knew that guy when we were both in country!

I used to run over dogs with him in our Humvee. Good times, good times.

Posted by: Scott Beauchamp at July 11, 2010 10:16 AM (xVAyN)

92 --Damn, if I were writing my own fiction about this, I could not come up with a better name. Yeah, ironic isn't it? Better yet, according to the wiki article, Soft Skull's publishing specialty seems to be gay and lesbian academic non-fiction.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2010 10:16 AM (9Lm5R)

93 He actually made up and falsified crap. The entire book was a fabrication. Liberal publishers don't withdraw a book because of sloppy work. Liberal universities don't remove liberals for sloppy work.

He was proven a fraud and a liar.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2010 01:59 PM (/jbAw)

Never hurt my career.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at July 11, 2010 10:17 AM (w9BEi)

94 I do not like those guys from Emory. They made me wear the cone of shame. I do not like the cone of shame.

Posted by: Mikey Bellesiles at July 11, 2010 10:25 AM (9Lm5R)

95
By the way, the book is back in print again, published by.....get this, "Soft Skull Press".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2010 02:11 PM (9Lm5R)

--Damn, if I were writing my own fiction about this, I could not come up with a better name.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 02:13 PM (BP6Z1)

That's the same outfit that published the book in 2000 about Bush being a coke head.

Posted by: Off to the Store at July 11, 2010 10:26 AM (7+pP9)

96 Better yet, according to the wiki article, Soft Skull's publishing specialty seems to be gay and lesbian academic non-fiction.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2010 02:16 PM (9Lm5R)

Uh huhuhuhuhuh huhuhuhuh!

Heeheeheeheeheeheehee!

Posted by: Beavis and Butt-Head at July 11, 2010 10:27 AM (BP6Z1)

97 Belleisle's like the IPCC and its coterie of lead authors - pick the story you want, manipulate the facts to support it.  Doesn't matter if you're just stretching the truth, or manufacturing it outright.

You just need to give those who want to believe a potentially believable story on which to hang their faith. 


Posted by: mrkwong at July 11, 2010 10:28 AM (G8Eo0)

98 "Little Green Football sounds like something that would roll down a little kid's pants leg," is still up at L&C. I'm having such silly juvenile fun.

Posted by: lace wigs at July 11, 2010 10:33 AM (HtIec)

99 Chris Wallace is shooting him down with facts, point by point, and Axelturf  basically tells Wallace hes full of shit and proceeds to re-state his lies.

Yeah O'RLY had a Univision hack on last week that did the exact same thing in an immigration debate, and Squealer Gibbs shot down a reporter who asked about our new Rations Czar as a conspiracy theorist (yet he came prepared for that specific query). The Left's steadfast denial of the truth is really starting to creep me out. God forbid they get any MORE judges.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at July 11, 2010 10:39 AM (w9BEi)

100 It was written as a moral lesson! It's not like every little thing said about every war is going to turn out to be true. You and your oppressive insistence on facts, criminy!

Posted by: fb at July 11, 2010 10:41 AM (Bu9Jo)

101 FYI:

you are correct-Central CT is 2nd tier at best (more likely third tier).   What makes it even more interesting is that Bellesiles is an adjunct.   That means he teaches the occasional course as an outside contractor (adjuncts are the very bottom of the academic food chain, right there with graduate assistants).

So it seems like the academic labor market gets some things somewhat correct. 

Posted by: RightWingPRof at July 11, 2010 10:43 AM (I8MPS)

102 What makes it even more interesting is that Bellesiles is an adjunct.   That means he teaches the occasional course as an outside contractor (adjuncts are the very bottom of the academic food chain, right there with graduate assistants).

So it seems like the academic labor market gets some things somewhat correct. 

Posted by: RightWingPRof at July 11, 2010 02:43 PM (I8MPS)

The hell, you say!

Posted by: Professor Barry 0bama at July 11, 2010 10:45 AM (BP6Z1)

103 97 He actually made up and falsified crap. The entire book was a fabrication. Liberal publishers don't withdraw a book because of sloppy work. Liberal universities don't remove liberals for sloppy work.

He was proven a fraud and a liar.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2010 01:59 PM (/jbAw)

Never hurt my career.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at July 11, 2010 02:17 PM (w9BEi)

The jury gave me a dollar...that proves I wasn't lying!

Posted by: Ward Churchill at July 11, 2010 10:53 AM (VvuTw)

104 Im about half way through the comments over at The Hill..... Well played sirs... well played. Reads like a AoS Greatest Hits. Im sure all the inside jokes are lost on the non-moron types. Made my Sunday.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 11, 2010 10:54 AM (ffV1/)

105

OT: The Red Adair of relief well drilling

Great article, amazing man, knows what he's doing.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at July 11, 2010 10:55 AM (/h097)

106 BTW, the FNC footage of the 0bama vs. Hillary cheating scandal is already at Hillbuzz.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 11:02 AM (BP6Z1)

107 #105, you're right.  Adjuncts are treated worse than instructors and worse than graduate assistants financially.  They're much cheaper.

It depends on the field, but sometimes adjuncts have real jobs and do it for the experience or an affiliation or some possible material benefit from their employers.

I'm frankly surprised he's been so effectively shunned. I guess his problem was that he got caught. When you consider what passes for scholarship in the humanities and social sciences these days, he could very easily have asserted his thesis in the usual way, through half-truths and political orthodoxy.

You would think that he could have gotten a regular job at some little commie college.  Certainly a better job than being an adjunct at CCSU.  To judge a university, I usually go to the math department.  Not just because I'm a mathematician, but because every university must have one and its quality usually mirrors that of the university as a whole.  They don't sink extra money making the math department look good like with some other programs.  Math isn't sexy.

In any case, they have a variety of master's programs in math ed. (which really doesn't count) and an MA in math.  I'd put that at third tier.  There are at least 100 schools with a Ph.D. program. 

My guess is that CCSU used to be the teacher's college and hasn't strayed too much from that mission.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2010 11:05 AM (G6Faf)

108 Liars lie? This is shocking and, dare I say, unprecedented.

Posted by: Andy at July 11, 2010 11:06 AM (pRbtk)

109 I'm frankly surprised he's been so effectively shunned. I guess his problem was that he got caught. When you consider what passes for scholarship in the humanities and social sciences these days, he could very easily have asserted his thesis in the usual way, through half-truths and political orthodoxy.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2010 03:05 PM (G6Faf)

--Gates and Ogletree (friends of 0bama) have both been exposed as frauds (the piece was in American Thinker) and they still do quite well in their ivory tower.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 11:08 AM (BP6Z1)

110 #113, I think there's still some latent pride in the field of history.  They don't really appreciate how their field has fallen.

Gates and Ogletree effectively run their professions.  That's what happens in the studieses.  Everybody outside of the field knows it's a joke and just let them do their thing for the purposes of getting publicity and playing the diversity game.

So the field is whatever the Ivy League profs say it is.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2010 11:15 AM (G6Faf)

111 Gates and Ogletree effectively run their professions.  That's what happens in the studieses.  Everybody outside of the field knows it's a joke and just let them do their thing for the purposes of getting publicity and playing the diversity game.

So the field is whatever the Ivy League profs say it is.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2010 03:15 PM (G6Faf)

--Accuracy is such a white concept anyway.  As for that whitey concept, "plagiarism," we were just taking an old tale and folklorizing it and passing it down to another generation, like in Africa!

Posted by: Skippy Gates at July 11, 2010 11:28 AM (BP6Z1)

112 I remember the Bellesiles crap when it happened, Cramer really dissected the bastard.

I also remember how vehemently the control freaks defended Bellesiles, right up to the point where he got fired and the book got pulled. There was some vestigial defense for a few weeks, then... MEMORY HOLE!

The problem is, it's like this every day for them. We could start a list of fraudulent leftist professors and we'd never finish.

You want to get depressed, watch the History Channel with someone who actually knows history, have them comment on all the screw-ups.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong On His Mountain at July 11, 2010 11:39 AM (bxiXv)

113 O/T;  For anyone interested, a kewl map graphic of the eclipse.  More at NASA

Posted by: curious at July 11, 2010 11:44 AM (p302b)

114 You want to get depressed, watch the History Channel with someone who actually knows history, have them comment on all the screw-ups.

Watching the History Channel for history is like watching a Democrat convention for truth.

In the rare times when they do show something related to history is is about as accurate as a Democrat.

Of course, if you want to learn about driving trucks on ice or logging or pawn shops watch away. Except that it is probably pack of lies as well.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2010 11:57 AM (/jbAw)

115 Of course, if you want to learn about driving trucks on ice or logging or pawn shops watch away. Except that it is probably pack of lies as well.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2010 03:57 PM (/jbAw)

--The evening programming on National Geographic is even sadder.  All those years and years of classic National Geographic programming, and they put out stupid reality shows and stuff that is more fitting for Popular Mechanics.  I even like stuff like Dog Town, but it's more an Animal Planet show than Nat Geo.

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 12:04 PM (BP6Z1)

117 121 Chris Wallace handing Axelturf his ass on Fox News Sunday video

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 11, 2010 04:04 PM (E5Pqe)

--Yes!  I hope I can watch it here. . . .

Posted by: logprof at July 11, 2010 12:04 PM (BP6Z1)

118 Yeah, AmishDude, what kind of math?  Dead white male Euro-centric math with its oppressive reliance on "correct answers" or feminist math?  Queer Studies Math?  Transgendered Persons of Color Math?  Afro-Maoist Differently Abled Lesbian Math?  It really shouldn't be necessary for me to do this, but I'm deploying the all purpose leftist talismanic Word of Power to shame you:

Waaaaaaaaaaacist!11!!1!!eleventy!!!!

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at July 11, 2010 12:41 PM (pEXyx)

119 Ok who did the Brundlescher sock at The Hill?

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at July 11, 2010 12:55 PM (w9BEi)

120 "He's now teaching at a small, second tier (if that) school in Connecticut."

Why that shouldn't be. We will be opening up a chair and extending an invitation post haste. Our legacy of fuckupedness must live on.

Posted by: Harvard U. at July 11, 2010 01:12 PM (swuwV)

121

I recall reading a blistering letter to the editor concerning a coda to the Jayson Blair NYT plagiarism affair: some time had passed, and Blair was seeking to reinvent himself as a reformed liar who would offer unique and truthful insight henceforth.

 The letter recounted one man's encounters with that type of personality and asserted, with numerous examples, that the condition is utterly incurable.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 11, 2010 02:06 PM (tm15w)

122 Most of those killed last fall were not recent enlistees, most were not shot by snipers, the one serviceman injured during BellesilesÂ’s course who lasted more than a week before dying was injured too early to be the soldier Bellesiles wrote about and didnÂ’t fit BellesilesÂ’s other facts, and so on.

Kudos to Jim Lundgren for checking up on this story.

One hopes that the Chronicle of Higher Education will follow through and either verify (as they are in an almost unique position to do) Bellesiles' claims or failing that retract the article as a possible work of fiction, with an apology.

I hope that Bellesiles' account is complete fabrication because the alternative seems to be that he exploitatively tortured the facts of a real soldier's (and student's) story in order to serve his own self image.

Talk about stolen valor...


Posted by: Deety at July 11, 2010 03:25 PM (aVzyR)

123

Several years back Emory's golden-haired boy was a cardiology researcher who faked his results.  The publication of his "research" was heralded, then scandalized.  History repeats.

Posted by: twolaneflash at July 11, 2010 03:44 PM (svkhS)

124

Admiral Yamamoto was asked about invading the US before WW2. He replied "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Some may wish to ponder that.

A shotgun from each of my grandfathers, plus various weapons accumulation over a lifetime. Going to my son, off the record.

Posted by: bigred at July 11, 2010 03:48 PM (uh7Ap)

125 plus various weapons accumulation over a lifetime. Going to my son, off the record.

Posted by: bigred at July 11, 2010 07:48 PM (uh7Ap)





I bought two during the "Obama Surge."

Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2010 04:04 PM (CPqLO)

126 Who cares if there were gun way back when. I 've got my guns now and will use them if needed

Posted by: bruxklly at July 11, 2010 06:20 PM (tcJlA)

127 Great Scott!! The Hill's comment section is hilarious.

Here I am cackling like Hillary over her cauldron.

Posted by: Jeen Grobs-Beatty, Ned's cousin at July 11, 2010 08:14 PM (xzKph)

128 Hey all you Viet Nam Vets, doesn't this sound familiar? Reminds me of the Viet Nam Vets Against the War (VVAW) Congressional testimony and other works of fiction. Follywood made a number of outrageous movies as well which were either casting the military as a bunch of raving doper lunatics or weepy moral relativists ashamed of their service. [ I think my gag reflex just activated thinking about it ]

Posted by: chuck in st paul at July 12, 2010 04:42 AM (adr25)

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