1 MY FINGER IS OMNIPOTENT!!!11!!!

2 "I'm more optimistic than I was Pelosi is closer to my asking price than she was a week ago," Stupak said in an interview...

3 Ace, baby, you've worn me down tonight. 

4 That's one powerful finger

5
Democrats - if you do this and you are up for re-election.  You are out.

6  Our we mixing abortoin and None abortoin row's, and who is the watch dog?  

7 4 That's one powerful finger

Posted by: dagny at March 08, 2010 08:41 PM (xTpw2)

Twust me...you'd better beweeve it is!

8 Well, they are signing their death warrants(politically speaking)  but they are going to take the rest of us with them (many in the literal sense).

9 Now you're just fucking with us.

10 As long as Barry's girls are safe from unwanted babies. 

11 ken i haz more whiplash

12 What''s the going rate for optimism this week?

13 I wonder how many votes they think they are buying with ObamaCare. The GOP could try to run on getting rid of it, but it is more likely they will just claim they can administer it better. Pissed off financial conservatives, pissed off social conservatives, enthusiastic democratic voters getting freebies.

They may not be as stupid as we think.

14
cover. 

15 Ok, ball dipping not so much. WTF? Intrade says this bitch will pass.

16 Shit. Intrade has Obamacare passing at 58%; up from 50% in two days.

17 Of course he will.  He's a Dem.

18 BOHICA!

19 We are so boned.

20 Check out the american thinker article on how the bill allows for home visits from social services for any number of reasons including home schooling, tobacco use, home schooling, under achieving in school or disabilities, gun ownership, prior military service, etc. etc.

21 3 Ace, baby, you've worn me down tonight



Bet he has never heard that before

22 Hey Rum,
Thanks for the photo request.  You're a gem.

23

If I was a Frenchman, I'd fuckin' surrender right now. This is just bullshit!

24 Ace, baby, you've worn me down tonight


My shrink is gonna earn his $200 this week.

25 We are so boned.

26
Rahm must have paid him a naked visit.

27 If they actually manage to pass this thing... will it be possible to undo it later?  What's our Plan B?

28 Is Rahm holding Stupak's wife and children hostage??

29 Best case scenarioo - Stupak's playing nice with Pelousy, and is basing this "optimism" off something Steny said about address Stupak's concerns in a third bill (which won't ever get to the floor of the Senate), so he'll still be a no.

Worst case scenario  - Stupak is signaling that he wants a fig-leaf so he can go to his constituents saying that he fought for them and vote for it anyway.

At least in the end, there will be only chaos.

30 I'm bettin' Rahm didn't just use the finger....

31 28 If they actually manage to pass this thing... will it be possible to undo it later?  What's our Plan B?

Posted by: sandy burger at March 08, 2010 08:57 PM (MT+0i)

Plan B = pitchforks, tar and feathers

32

Rep. Bart Stupak said he expects to resume talks with House leaders this week in a quest for wording

Wording on what?  Neither the House bill nor the Senate bill can be changed at this point.  Is he referring to wording on a new bill?  Fine.  Is that new bill going to get passed via reconciliation?  No chance in hell.  So what the f**k is he thinking??

33 Stupak and I just had a conference call where I explained the nuance between abortion and abortion-abortion. It's all good now

34 31 What's our Plan B?


Move to the most conservative country in North America....Canada

35

I'm starting to believe those basturds are going to pass that piece of crap.   If there are as many people out there as pissed as I'll be when it passes, it ain't gong to be pretty.   I'll have to keep myself so drunk I won't be able to move, because I think I'll literally lose my mind with rage.

This shit scares the crap out of me.

36

. "Every year, they raise premiums higher and higher," Obama said "They will keep doing this for as long as they can get away with it."

God, arent't there some insurance execs that own some Democrats that can get this asshole to shut up? How about some fucking jobs, dipshit?

 

37 No one has more of a stake in this than I do, considering my Mom is covered by Medicare/Blue Cross and is in the middle of cancer treatments. Treatments she would not get under Obamacare. In fact, they would let her die. End of story.

What can I do? Well, save as much $$$ as possible, in case we have to pay out of pocket for her expenses.

Vote all of them out in November.

And keep the torches and pitchforks handy.

38 Posted by: mpfs at March 08, 2010 08:54 PM (QuP9W)

No prob, mpfs. Anything for the morons.

And I'll take any kind of levity we can get in the coming dark age. (Oh, was that racist?)

39 Going to put on warm, safe jammies and pop more corn.  Has there been another Monday like today?? 

40
Party line vote.  1/6th of the economy.  What a disaster.
Our only hope is that Americans really are fed up and the r's will grow a spine and we can work on throwing the d's out in Noveber and beyond.  Obama must be a one-term president.  It is now time for the Republicans to represent us.

41 Lets hope someone stabs the Democrats in the back as they fuck us.

42 Vargas, abort, abort! We're not gonna make it to the tunnel! Go to Plan B! We're going to Plan B!

43 Soooo how does one go about expatriating??

44
Instead of paying higher premiums - we will all pay higher taxes.

and the care will be worse because droves of good doctors will leave the profession.
Nice going, Democrats.

45 I think this is a lot of bluffing and stalling. They don't have the votes yet and they're breaking arms trying to find them. I'm not saying it won't ultimately pass, because everyone one of these assholes has a price at which they can be bought, but right now they don't have the votes.  I would think that instead of tossing dates out of a week or two from now, that the minute they had the votes Pelosi would call for a vote.  I wish something would surface that would be so serious they would know they couldn't overcome it and just kill this thing once and for all.  Geezus!

46 Soooo how does one go about expatriating??

The question is...to where?

47
Soooo how does one go about expatriating??

To where?  We're the last holdout against the barbarians.

48 Just open up the camps already.

49 And I'll take any kind of levity we can get in the coming dark age


http://tinyurl.com/yjd96ro


Here ya go.

50 This is a weird statement. He said this during town halls in Michigan. It almost sounds like a platitude issued when someone is yelling at him. And, as mentioned above, wording on WHAT? The house is voting to pass the senate bill as it stands. Does this mean he is folding and expecting an amendment to the bill or that he thinks they will be starting over? Makes 0 sense.

51 If Stupak caves and votes for Obamacare based on promises from Nancy, then he's a damned fool.  Once this thing is law, Obama and Pelosi will do everything they can to ensure funding for abortion is restored.  That's assuming they're not just lying to get his vote and don't have any intention of keeping their promises.

52 "Every year, they We raise premiums taxes higher and higher," Obama said "They We will keep doing this for as long as they We can get away with it. Once wee control healthcare"

FIFY or Barry since it's his quote

53 Damn..I never can make those links work?//((8&&00

54 "I'm more optimistic than I was a week ago,"

BULLSHIT!  Wonder what they're giving him, seeing as he'll be out of a job come November, and he knows it.

55 2010 theme song

56

Soooo how does one go about expatriating??

i think you start by cutting off your balls.

57

I'm starting to believe those basturds are going to pass that piece of crap.   If there are as many people out there as pissed as I'll be when it passes, it ain't gong to be pretty.   I'll have to keep myself so drunk I won't be able to move, because I think I'll literally lose my mind with rage.

This shit scares the crap out of me.

Posted by: Steph at March 08, 2010 09:02 PM (riZEn)

My thoughts exactly. I honestly can't describe how pissed I am.

58 Posted by: balldipping at March 08, 2010 09:08 PM (tgXx6)

Hey I just figured out how to do it. There should an instruction maual or something!

59 Maybe he  means he is more optimistic that other reps aren't hanging him out alone on a loney street corner. That statement could mean anything.

60 45 Soooo how does one go about expatriating??

Buy Ammo

61 61 Posted by: balldipping at March 08, 2010 09:08 PM (tgXx6)

Hey I just figured out how to do it. There should an instruction maual or something!


Please share..

62 *wishing I could erase my post up-thread*

63 52 Good point. It's just a remark at a townhall--maybe an off the cuff remark. I don't see how they can reach a compromise, considering it's just an up or down vote on the Senate bill--Pelosi can't change a damned thing on this first vote. The House Dems will try to change the Senate bill later through reconciliation, but does anybody think Stupak's amendment could survive in either the House or the Senate once the big bill is already on the President's desk? That's if the parliamentarian even allows changes to the abortion aspect, considering it's not directly related to the budget.

64 Wording in what? You can't change a word or it must go back to the Senate and the Senate bill is very clear about forcing insurance companies to cover abortion.

Ah the days when Joe Wilson said Obama lies, and it comes true.

65 It's looking more and more like a massive revolt which puts their own actual skin in jeopardy is the only thing that will stop the Democrats.

66 48 other than texas and or alaska seceeding, I think our only hope is the dominican or costa rica, besides I hear they like christians there.

67 Barry's mouth today was like a runaway freight train.  I can't stand that fuckin' campaign drama he tries to stir people up with. He ought to go sell  Amway or something.

68

My thoughts exactly. I honestly can't describe how pissed I am.

Posted by: conscious and epically pissed off at March 08, 2010 09:11 PM (Vu6sl)

 

I'm not one to be controlled or told I have to do something.   And, I hate more than anything feeling helpless...those fuckwits in DC make me feel that way when it comes to the crap they're trying to pull on us.   How in the hell did we get to this place?   I'm not handling it well.

69

Soooo how does one go about expatriating??

Belize is the nearest country that doesn't share an extradition treaty with the U.S.

Just sayin'

70 65
All decisions have consequences. Don't beat yourself up for the unknown ones. You may have read her wishes correctly then and now be second guessing what would have been a worse one.

71 #60
Jane,
Do not blame yourself.  You made the decision you thought was right at the time.  I know all about guilt like that, it will eat you alive if you let it.

72 The entire Blue Dog contingency is a collection of lying Liberals. Only fools would ever trust them.

73

Our shop that mainly engaged in mbt Brands,where sale MBT shoes.MBT shoe is a perfect shoe,which be for physiological.Here you can enjoy discount mbt shoes without tax.you can buy cheap mbt shoes which have a positive effect on our body.

74 *Every* *single* house member is up for re-election this year.

Enjoy retirement suckers.

75

This whole episode is like "The English Patient"...

It never ends.

76 Please share..

Posted by: balldipping at March 08, 2010 09:12 PM (tgXx6)

First you type out your target word(s)

Theoden

Then you hit the chain/link button above.

Copy the url link

Paste into source

Into the title section type the target name... Theoden

Press insert

Press OK

You should be done.

77

"Belize is the nearest country ..."

Great scuba and habanero sauce.

78
There is another way to fight this.
If Obama signs this tax-payer funded deficit buster into law, WE fight it on a state to state level.  We force local representatives to make sure it cannot be enacted within each state - one at a time.

79 I think we must have a march on DC that is bigger than the Tea Party demonstration. It needs to get rolling fast. And it needs to be MEAN.

80 Well having a positive effect on our body is the only reason to buy mbt shoes.

81 oops 73 should have been directed to 64

82 As I said; Pelousy and Reid have two weeks to cut their deals and buy their votes....and they will.  They have many billions of unspent "stimulus" money just sitting there, waiting to be disbursed to the holdouts in both the House and Senate.  Get in line boys and girls!

83 Well... as has been pointed out numerous times, if you're counting on the steely resolve of a Democrat "moderate," you're as good as fracked.

84 79 Please share


Thank you sharrukin!

85 A piss-poor itinerant watermelon saleman.

86 67

Yes.

87 I know
And it never ends
It never ends

88 The check has apparently cleared.

W00T!!

Or the hostages will be released......

89 The Recovering Republic stands on the horizon.

90 Hey Stupak, just cause they put whipped cream on that turd don't mean it still isn't shit!

91 I wonder how Emmanual has avoided getting his ass kicked.  I mean, you know, if he's going around commting battery while cussing people out.  If he poked me in the chest, I'd break his finger off and shove it up his ass.

92 Posted by: balldipping at March 08, 2010 09:21 PM (tgXx6)

Not a problem. For the longest time I only knew how to do the TinyUrl thing, which was kinda annoying.

93 he went squishy pretty fast after he heard that Rahm almost Fed that navy fellow in the shower.

94 In the Book of Revelations, it says:

"Lo, the Law shall be Presented, and none shall wish to abide, but it shall be, nonetheless, in the manner of Jonestown.  And Satan's face shall be as a prune, and his teats shall sag, and lo the earth shall shake in his District, and the Sodomites shall be much afraid."

As I remember, anyway.

95

O/T but so what.  The religion of Pieces strikes again.  Coexist!

http://tinyurl.com/yeszdj6

..."sadness"...."deeply concerned".... "ALL parties to exercise restraint"

yagaddabefukinkiddinme!

96

 Actually I'm not to concerned. The House has to vote on the Senate bill as is. They can't make any changes. If they make a change it isn't the same bill and there isn't anything to send to Obama. So he has to be betting that they will take up his amendment in reconcilliation. The thing is, the Stupak amendment was offered when the Senate was putting together their bill and was rejected.

  So either Stupak caves completely or he has to trust that after the bill is passed the Senate would take up an amendment they have already rejected and put it in reconcilliation. So he has a choice, if he supports this bill, to either become a sell out and support it without his amendment, or watch the Senate not take it up and look like a sucker for agreeing to it.

97 The goal of these assholes is to keep us afraid. Everyday is like being on a roller coaster. Just when we think they're imploding, they strike back. Up, down, sideways and off the track - who is in charge? Every day is a tug-of-war with these souless creatures. We can't rely on our Republican leaders. There are a few good ones, but most are timid. We will win in the end but it is a constant fight and thankfully with sites like this one, humor tempers angst.

98 All you morons/ettes can join us in Virginia.  We have a brand new law that says we don't have to buy anything the gubmint is selling. 

99

Solution: Massive Rumble in the Desert

All those for and against ObamaCare who wish to physically fight for it show up and Winner takes all.

An added benefit will be that it thins the herd for the future.

100 I'm so surprised.

101 It's pitchfork and torch time folks.

102 "82 I think we must have a march on DC that is bigger than the Tea Party demonstration. It needs to get rolling fast. And it needs to be MEAN.
Posted by: Macaroon at March 08, 2010 09:19 PM (F6+/O"

Torches and pitchforks won't be enough, tar and feathers won't be enough, voting them out won't be enough. Violent riots are how the leftists got started in their rise to power in the sixties.

103 No matter what the outcome of this thing, I'm going to forever hate Democrats for the anxiety over my country they've put me thru over the last freaking 15 months. I just hate the filthy bastards.

104 I'd break his finger off and shove it up his ass

isn't that like a double negative for Rham so it becomes a positive?

Just break the finger please.

105 Beck has Eric Massa on tomorrow for the full hour.  You can bet some elected things are already sweating bullets.  He's going to be telling tales.

106 "...fully operational Death Panel"

107 It's pitchfork and torch time folks.

Posted by: Vet_Missing_Parts at March 08, 2010 09:26 PM (MCHyX)

Give me a week.

"Build an Iron Maiden in Three Days".  Fuck you, Popular Mechanics!!

108 This is the kind of shit that leads to secession of states. And I'm moving to the first one that does.

Fuck washington DC, fuck obama, and double fuck the asshole retards that voted him in.

109 21 Check out the american thinker article on how the bill allows for home visits from social services for any number of reasons including home schooling, tobacco use, home schooling, under achieving in school or disabilities, gun ownership, prior military service, etc. etc.

Posted by: dagny at March 08, 2010 08:53 PM (xTpw2)

jeeze, that article is terrifying.

110 Every single Federal vehicle gets four flat tires.

111 He doesn't want to be Massa'd.

112

As I remember, anyway.

Close enough.

BTW, it's not Revelations, just Relevation as in the Revelation to John.

Not to ninny you or anything.

113 I'd break his finger off and shove it up his ass

I learned in the penitentiary that if a man accosts you in the shower, somebody is getting fucked.  I'd have left his bloody corpse on the floor.

114 Maybe they are just dragging this out to avoid the next items on the agenda; Cap and Trade, Amnesty, Card Check, etc.  Cause you know, those are all big winners for the Dems.

115 112 This is the kind of shit that leads to secession of states. And I'm moving to the first one that does.

Fuck washington DC, fuck obama, and double fuck the asshole retards that voted him in.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 08, 2010 09:30 PM (erIg9)

I'll be following you. Just look in your rearview mirror for the car with the Utah license plate.

116 Just voting the whores who vote yes for this out of office is not enough. They should all be made to expect being slapped with neighbor brought complaints for every zoning violation, driving 1 mph over the limit in a school zone, nuisance attraction ....... that can be conceived of. Why should only leftists get to practice Alinsky tactics?

117 Any morons or moronettes in DC area interested in kidnapping 3 or 4 Dem. congressmen and holding them for a few months 'til this blows over? Just sayin', when the going gets tough . . .

118

"I just hate the filthy bastards."

So do I .

119 We're taking back the House motherfuckers.

120 just Relevation as in the Revelation to John.

Not to ninny you or anything.

Heh.

121

101 The goal of these assholes is to keep us afraid. Everyday is like being on a roller coaster.

---

and notice that is not working. If they had the votes the first time they claimed they did, they'd have scheduled thevote for that night. Same goes for the 1,000,000 other times they claimed they had the votes. The vote would have been scheduled hours after "wse have the votes". Alinsky's rules for stupid and corrupt: give the perception of success despite the reality. This is no different than the claims of expecting to win 70% of the vote during the campaign. While it's meant to give the impression of the inevitable, everyone knows it's grade A wishful thinking and bullshit. Only the lefty loons are buying the snake oil

122 hey i'm here for the gangban..oh wrong thread.

123 BTW, it's not Revelations, just Relevation as in the Revelation to John.

Hey.  John couldn't even finish his own Gospel!!  "That's enough for you clowns in the peanut gallery.  My wrist hurts."

124 121, Easy now, there, Big Fella.

125 These sorry Democrat pieces of shit are selling our country down the drain. Who are the brain dead fools that elected this despicable trash.

126 113 Willow

Lucky for me I sold all my guns huh?

127 just Relevation as in the Revelation to John.

Not to ninny you or anything.

Heh.

Posted by: ErikW at March 08, 2010 09:33 PM (UIk4D)

Yeah, well, I was just going to leave that alone, Rev.

128 The  blue dogs always bark alot just before they roll over and pee on themselves.  I thought y'all knew that. 

Everybody knows that.

129 127, Clay keyboards really sucked.

130 This is the kind of shit that leads to secession of states. And I'm moving to the first one that does.

+1

Any Texas morons willing to give room and board to a moronette who cooks and bakes?

131 123 We're taking back the House motherfuckers.

Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at March 08, 2010 09:33 PM (GfYt/)

I believe that will happen. However, if this piece of shit passes, it will be too late.

132 Any morons or moronettes in DC area interested in kidnapping 3 or 4 Dem. congressmen and holding them for a few months 'til this blows over? Just sayin', when the going gets tough . . .

Are you nuts?  Do you know how much shit you'd have to clean up?

133 Any Texas Morons got acreage to sell? I see an offer above that looks interesting.

134 John *did* finish his Gospel. You're thinking of Mark...

135 The problem with this shit is, once it's passed, it is infinitely more difficult to undo.

Even owning the house, and a long shot senate, getting this shit repealed is damned near impossible, and the fucking dems know it.

136 137
Herr, I'd just give them a fresh bedpan every month and tell them to deal with it. That's all we're going to get when our hospitals are government run.

137 The GOP Congress of 2011 can undo all of this. They just need enough votes to override a veto from Easy Bake. It's a self-cleaning oven: pass it and you get the override.

138 What #34 said.   The House cannot amend or add to the Senate bill.  Period.

139

Tea Party is ringing the bell for folks to go to DC 16th & 17th to personally lobby congresscritters.

Thought - more effective going to their offices than standing on the mall.

140 106 - That would qualify as "MEAN".

141 Can't. Take. Any. More.

Going out in a blaze of glory.

142

here is the thing. I called Stupack's office today. I asked since the Senate bill is what will be voted on in the House, with no changes, what was Stupak's position. I was told a No vote.

Then I said, reconcialtion will not be able to fix the abortion thing in the Senate, and besides that, Senate dems will not go for it. Will that change Stupack's vote? with that carrot of Reconcialtion?

And I was told no vote.

Who the hell knows? I don't trust any of these fools anymore. over 60% of American feel the govt no longer has the consent of the governed. If they ram this piece of shit bill thru, that number will not only go higher, people will just revolt at the state level, which they can control. 

143 144, The protests have to include the MSM, too, or they will be blunted.

144 John *did* finish his Gospel. You're thinking of Mark...

"There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written."

Holy writer's cramp.

145 The problem with this shit is, once it's passed, it is infinitely more difficult to undo.

My hope is that once the precedent of undoing one is started it will open the proverbial floodgates to all the other crap laws they have enacted in the past 60 years.

146 Posted by: effinayright at March 08, 2010 09:39 PM (gj0Br)

But Stupak can pretend to believe a promise to the effect that Obama will alter the bill at a later time and then be shocked, shocked, I tell you that he didn't keep his word.

147 144 - I'm in!!

148 I'll throw in stompy boots! Takers?

149

Yeah, well, I was just going to leave that alone, Rev.

Sho 'nuff. Aren't you a non-practing Methodist or something?

150 I suppose Stupak could be indicating he might vote yes simply to get Nancy Botoxi off his back for a while...

151 Fuck the Democrats.

152 My hope is that once the precedent of undoing one is started it will open the proverbial floodgates to all the other crap laws they have enacted in the past 60 years.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 08, 2010 09:42 PM (zBxXz)

I just repeated what he said cuz it needed repeated.

Pass this thing.  Then set the precedent for reversing it.

Then undo everything that gimpleggedsyphiliticsocialistsonofabitch FDR put in place.

153 "There are also many other things that Jesus did Barry destroyed, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written." Holy writer's cramp. Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 08, 2010 09:42 PM (CJOXP) FTFY

154

Sho 'nuff. Aren't you a non-practing Methodist or something?

Posted by: ErikW at March 08, 2010 09:44 PM (UIk4D)

So non-practicing I became Orthodox.

155 My hope is that once the precedent of undoing one is started it will open the proverbial floodgates to all the other crap laws they have enacted in the past 60 years.

That would be awesome, but to undo the entitlement programs all the way back to FDR, namely SS, Medicare/caid, and Welfare would be political suicide. Once you put the entitlements in there's no getting rid of them.

156 That would be awesome, but to not undo the entitlement programs all the way back to FDR, namely SS, Medicare/caid, and Welfare would be political societal suicide.

My opinion.

157 Is it possible that they mean to pass the bill have it signed by Obama and then move to reconciliation with the claimed intention of stripping out the abortion language, thus putting the Republicans on the spot?

158 Obama says the transition to Obamacare will be painless.

159 Herr M, I agree with you completely, but I'm betting we're in the minority in that opinion when it comes to the country at large.

160 Once you put the entitlements in there's no getting rid of them.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 08, 2010 09:47 PM (gofDd)

The difference with this one is that it won't go into effect for 3 years...while the taxes start almost immediately.  That may be the difference in being able to roll it back.

161

164 Obama says the transition to Obamacare will be painless.

It sure will be.  I will be self-medicating the entire time. *hic*

162

Here we are a large army of freedom-loving Americans fighting for dear life against a small minority of leftist dems who yearn to control us with an iron fist around our throats. We outnumber them. We will win. One thing they hate is humor/happiness/laughter/satire etc. They only know fear and dominance. Laugh in their faces!!

163

So non-practicing I became Orthodox.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 08, 2010 09:46 PM (CJOXP)

Whatever trims your storm jib.

164 sharrukin, It's my understanding that once the House passes the Senate bill and Obama signs it, then that's it, it is the law. No reconciliation, no going back.

165 So, I haven't kept up with everything in this piece of crap bill. Would we be paying our normal health insurance payments AND paying the new taxes for HealthCrap for the three years it takes to start up?

166 Stop and think about this for a moment......IF you have a family history of     cancer (any kind), Heart conditions, any kind of rare diseases,  dialoysis of all kinds,  Special referals like the Mayo clinic or Cleveland medical centers, special expensive medicine like kemotherapy, remicade which is a long term medicine like for Crohn's disease or acute arthritis. What would you do under Obamacare. I think all of the above would be not allowed. VA is Government care, ask them what they will not cover. Even the great medical centers like Walter Reed and had huge failures very recently. The Government will only allow the basic medical procedures that some Bureaucrat thinks you should have. NOT THE DOCTOR.

167 Posted by: davidt at March 08, 2010 09:54 PM (vOXoE)

Then what is Stupak going on about? How can they change anything at this point?

168

All I know is, if they think Nelson got shitty treatment in that pizza place he got booed at, they haven't seen anything yet, if they pass this piece of shit.   NONE of those basturds will be able to be seen in public, again.   

I'm telling you folks.  It isn't going to be pretty.

169

"One thing they hate is humor/happiness/laughter/satire etc. "

Those are good.  I prefer mocking them, then watching while their heads explode.

170

We've been asking (in various forms of nice) for this thing not to pass for 2/3 of a year, and it keeps coming closer to fruition.

Power doesn't cede power (or anything else for that matter) unless it has to.  And so far, this congress hasn't had to cede anything.

So they haven't.  Nor will they, until they reap the whirlwind.

171

"The difference with this one is that it won't go into effect for 3 years...while the taxes start almost immediately.  That may be the difference in being able to roll it back."

 

Yes, and like Social Security - the taxes will get 'loaned' to the General Fund and spent - leaving a government IOU.  Am I wrong? 

 

172 They can't change anything at this point but, being a professional politician, that isn't going to stop him from saying they can.

173 Mystry, that's what terrifies me. My husband has Crohn's and several other autoimmune disorders, sees about four specialists plus our primary physician, and is currently receiving Remicade infusions. My sister-in-law has Crohn's as well, and is developing thyroid issues. I am bipolar and on four different medications. I'm sure none of us would receive the treatment we need.

174 The thing they have going for them - on healthcare, global warming/cap-and-trade, and all the rest of it - is that they really will never stop. Not until they've killed the golden goose, eaten it, and chucked the bones out the window. Then when it all turns to shit, like all pie-in-the-sky fanatics they're going to start looking for someone to blame. And they sure as hell won't look in the mirror.

175

Damn, I'm going to miss my liberty.  I don't think I'll make a good indentured servent.   

 

176 Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 08, 2010 10:02 PM (Poe30)

The herd is getting more and more nervous.
It won't take much to start a stampede.

177 Here's the plan:

1.  Gin up resentment of anyone over 40 (the Boomers). Tar them as greedy and irresponsible.
2.  Massive public media campaign on obesity,  smoking,  exercise,  drinking, etc.
Idea firmly planted that people who don't live correctly are irresponsible and are the ones who have most of the illnesses.
3.  After a year or two of media attacks like this, announce that the Boomers get minimal care (the greedy bastards) and anyone who doesn't live according to Zeke Emanuel's protocol gets no treatment.

Voila!   This is Obamacare:  old people and sinners die.   I wouldn't be surprised to find out they outlaw painkillers.  Obama hates us and probably is more like Sean Penn than we know.

178 16 Shit. Intrade has Obamacare passing at 58%; up from 50% in two days.

Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at March 08, 2010 08:51 PM (GfYt/)

I'm betting these are people who believed Massa's bullshit today, about him being the deciding vote on the bill. Their mistake...

179 Dude,
If your hope is based on the dems being honorable or keeping their word, then yes, we are screwed.  At this point, the dems are bluffing and trying to get the votes.  The infighting is vicious:  1) all the people who didn't get their own Louisiana purchase ARE pissed and ripping each other apart, 2) there are not enough patronage gigs for all the lowly pols who will get booted out, and 3) after being screwed on cap and tax and other risky votes, the House refuses to trust the Senate not to screw them over.  But, I counting on the big ego, self-serving dems to be the spoilers.  All they need is a bit of cover to justify turning on Jughead because it will destroy Jughead's presidency.  I agree with Andy McCarthy's analysis that the dems are playing for the long term and have already factored in the November losses.   I'm just not sure that the lowly dems are ready to be the sacrificial goats for Pelosi and Reid.  Also, the pundits keep going on that the dems need to pass something to get health care off the table.  But, passing it won't take it off the table.  The republicans are going to make it front and center for November elections. 

However, I disagree with McCarthy that the republicans don't have the guts to repeal it.  Yes, in general the republicans are gutless and generally  wuss out.    However, the anger of the Tea Partiers and the average America has reached the boiling point.   The smart republicans get that the rage will be turned toward them if they don't repeal health care. The republicans will use health care as an issue to pummel Jughead until 2012.   Further, it's not going to be all sunshine and roses if it passes.  Unemployment will still be high, businesses are contracting, the Bush tax cuts will expire and every city, county and state will be trying to steal more money from the taxpayers.  Unfunded pensions are going to take down lots of local governments. The American people have already decided that the dems need to be destroyed and will face the full force of our wrath.  The only question is do we need to destroy the republicans, too?  That question will be answered in 2011 and 2012.

180 Stupak: “Let’s say we get 217, and we lose, would I vote against health care? If I had the chance to vote my conscience on it, I probably would not. I probably would still vote for the Health Care Bill at the end of the day.”

“If everything I want [is] in the final bill, I like everything in the bill except you have public funding for abortion, and we had a chance to run our amendment and we lost. OK, I voted my conscience, stayed true to my principles, stayed true to the beliefs of this district, could I vote for healthcare? Yes I still could.”

181 81
There is another way to fight this.
If Obama signs this tax-payer funded deficit buster into law, WE fight it on a state to state level.  We force local representatives to make sure it cannot be enacted within each state - one at a time.

Go over to "the tenth amendment center. com" (all one word.) Lots there about nullification on a state to state basis.

182 Stupak has to get the "wording" right in the bill for killing babies. WHAT A GUY!

183 Stupak will get bribed like everyone else, and the media will cheer him along the way.

184

"One thing they hate is humor/happiness/laughter/satire etc. "

The devil cannot stand to be mocked.

185 Make that "too depressed to..."

186

I heard DeMint (before he started hearting Lindsey Graham) say that once this is passed, it will be nearly impossible to repeal.  I used to trust DeMint, so I guess that's prob'ly true.

I see a couple scenarios.  We're broke.  Eventually they'd stop everything anyway and go for total control.  That's when the revolution starts and we re-peg to the original constitution and lock these goofballs up forever after draining their bank accts and assets to pay toward whatever we need to get a barebones govt up and running again.

Scenario 2 -- If we want to go for repeal post-Zero and have an amenable president, we just have to make private, pay-for-service healthcare SO much better than Zerocare (which shouldn't be hard!), everyone will want to opt out.   Zerocare is going to be nothing but shiite.  Make a deal with the taxpayer.  You opt out of it, you also opt out of the taxes that pay for it.

That leaves only the diehard welfare cases, elderly and infirm to deal with.  We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. 

187

I'm not going all hide in my bunker yet.  This thing has had more twists and turns than any legislation I have ever seen.  I am going to a neighboring congressman's district and let him know I will actively work against him in his district if he votes for this piece of communist shit. 

That resigning Rep. Massa may be willing to spill more beans on the Dems to hang them.  Another scandal or two from good investigative journalists bloggers could force out a couple more.  Hell another one could drop dead and change the mix.  This roller coaster ride isn't over. 

 When government healthcare was defeated in the 90's Boehner told me we almost lost our country.  The Republicans know what the stakes are.  Don't throw in the towel just yet.

188 Even if they pass it it will never take effect. All the doors will be promptly slammed shut on it. Just because the Dems are living in fantasyland doesn't mean I have to.

189
1.  Gin up resentment of anyone over 40 (the Boomers). Tar them as greedy and irresponsible.
2.  Massive public media campaign on obesity,  smoking,  exercise,  drinking, etc.
Idea firmly planted that people who don't live correctly are irresponsible and are the ones who have most of the illnesses.
3.  After a year or two of media attacks like this, announce that the Boomers get minimal care (the greedy bastards) and anyone who doesn't live according to Zeke Emanuel's protocol gets no treatment.

Voila!   This is Obamacare:  old people and sinners die.   I wouldn't be surprised to find out they outlaw painkillers.  Obama hates us and probably is more like Sean Penn than we know.

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Miss Marple, they are working on that.  And many younger people seem very amenable to blaming the baby boomers, and making them "pay."

190 People are way, way, way overreacting and reading way too much into this.  How in the hell does he think he will get his language through the Senate?  He is being optimistic, but that could mean anything.  He is a Democrat.  He is not going to say "this bill has no fucking way of passing" forever.    And those who think Stupak is gullible enough to take the reassurances of the Senate concerning this issue, you might want to go back and listen to the interviews he has given over the past week concerning this bill.  Specifically, listen to the parts about how he doesn't trust the Senate and how there is no way he will vote first for the Senate bill first.  Does that really sound like a man who is willing to trust Harry Reid to get a bill with the language he wants through the Senate?

191 Flenser assures me that Stupak is irrelevant and this bill will not pass.

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188 81
There is another way to fight this.
If Obama signs this tax-payer funded deficit buster into law, WE fight it on a state to state level.  We force local representatives to make sure it cannot be enacted within each state - one at a time.------------

lawsuits, class action suit, you name it.. They vote for this, expect to lost not just your job in Washignton but your personal fortunes defending yourselfves. If frivolous lawsuits and twinkie defenses can win, so can 250 million lawsuits filed against every elected official that votes for this.

193 I picked a bad day to stop dum-duming my bullets.

194

 After a year or two of media attacks like this, announce that the Boomers get minimal care (the greedy bastards)

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OK, now you're making me LIKE the bill.

I fucking hate Boomers.

195 Time to build the gallows and tell DC they have 2 choices.

Retire or hang.

196 Been away. Did I miss anything tonight?

197

201  "I fucking hate Boomers."

Then you are an exceptionally dull tool.   Have you looked at the make-up of the Tea Party demonstrators?

198 There are no moderate Democrats. None. Nada. Zilch. Stupak personally will perform abortions if the pork gets right. Republicans need to get ready to nationalize the campaign and make overturning the health care junta a priority.

199 I bet Stupak loves being the "man of the hour" so he has to go back and forth, otherwise he can't milk this.

200 "Once you put the entitlements in there's no getting rid of them." 1) History of entitlements has not been a long one...say 100 years? Perhaps we have not seen all permutations of what is or is not possible. 2) Wouldn't communism be considered the ultimate entitlement society? That didn't work out. 3) We have had reforms of entitlement programs, welfare, tax cuts, SS reform. I don't think its too crazy. I think it will happen when both parties realize the game is really up. Actually, that means the Dems, as they are the ones who can really fire up the "the GOP wants to kill Old People" charges it seems.

201 "I fucking hate Boomers."

Then you are an exceptionally dull tool.   Have you looked at the make-up of the Tea Party demonstrators?

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Have you looked at the generational make-up of the exceptional tools that fucked things up culturally and financially enough to warrant the Tea Parties, you sharp-as-a-tack son-of-a-gun, you?

202

yeah. you have to wonder what his motivation is making this statement publically. If he really was looking for his own cornhusker kickback-he would not say it openly, it would be done behind closed doors by all. if he switched-no matter what his excuse/reason is-he knows he is history. There is no wiggling out of it for a single Dem.

I'll tell ya, if i was him and had to put up with pelosi's arm twisting, i'd throw it out there and see what they try to bribe me with-all done infront of cameras. Let the public see yet another bribe given by Obama, Pelosi and Reid and then say thanks but no thanks. The 3 stooges really don't need any help looking foolish and corrupt infront of the world. They are doing a fine job of it all by themselves.

203 shizuki:  What do these people have in common?

Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Joe Biden, Carl Levin, Chris Dodd.

All were born before 1945.  None of them are Boomers.  

Most of the the things that have the country in a mess (Medicare,  Social Security, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac) were things instituted when I ( myself a Boomer) wasn't even born,  or when I was a young girl. 

Why do you hate Boomers?  We didn't create these things.   I would like to know why you hate Boomers so much.   If you have issues with your parents,  that is a personal problem and not something to base public policy on.

204 Why do you hate Boomers?  We didn't create these things.   I would like to know why you hate Boomers so much.   If you have issues with your parents,  that is a personal problem and not something to base public policy on.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 09, 2010 07:35 AM (4DwVn)

I'm a boomer and I think we're the most hubris-immersed fucked up generation ever.  The sixties were the most overrated decade ever yet you have large segments of boomers remembering them as some Elysian fields of enlightenment instead of a time when stand-up people were shit on and worthless deadbeats became objects of reverence.  Of course there are exceptions to this, including most morons, but the cost of entitlements for the assholes that never did a fucking thing to plan for their future will be huge.  I wouldn't blame the generations that will have to foot the bill to say fuck them all and pull the plug on them.  But the whiny shitheads won't go quietly.

205 Seeing that power line video reminded me of the coolest thing I have seen like that.  Unfortunately, it was in my yard.  My power comes from a pole that's diagonally across the street.  When added to my house being back from the corner on that side, it adds up to a long run, so there is an intermediate pole in the corner of my yard.  The people who owned the house before us planted a tree to hide the pole.

A couple of years ago, the power went out and there was an intense white light.  I went outside and found that the tree had been rubbing on the line and had worn off the insulation.  The line started a small arc to the tree which quickly burned through the line.  The short end of the line still connected to the pole then arced big time to the tree.  It was about a two-foot long stream of brilliant white light.  I called the electric company and the fire department (the tree was starting to smoke.)  IT took a full five minutes before the arc finally overloaded the circuit breaker and tripped it off.  It was very exciting 5 minutes.

206 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!

Wrong thread.  Sorry.

207 If you have been a member of a club that has had a particular agenda for decades, then you support that agenda.  The dems have been dedicated to killing babies, unborn and born, for decades.  Stupak is a member of that political party, has voted for funding for planned parenthood, an abortion industry if ever there was one, and by being a democrat, is a supporter of abortion.  I'm sure he was just waiting for the right price.

208 They will change the bill to get it passed and O will sign it and say it's law. Any question of legalities will be pushed off to be delt with later, if you know what I mean.

209 Come on folks -- have we forgot how to translate Stupak's message into bloggereeze?  Is it really so hard to recognize the political game of trolling for campaign dollars?   Are we afraid to label a troll a troll? 

OK admittedly, if you're a the moderate Blue RINO type, you probably suck this foamy stuff off the top of your morning espresso and go "0ooo -- nice...  How can I whip some more of this stuff up for myself?..." 

210

Why do you hate Boomers?  We didn't create these things.   I would like to know why you hate Boomers so much.   If you have issues with your parents,  that is a personal problem and not something to base public policy on.
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Because people who drop acid at Woodstock in the Sixties and then become school principals who expel kids for Tylenol possession kind of suck. You were libertines in your youth and you're petty little neo-Puritan tyrants today.

Oh, and my parents aren't Boomers, so your dime-store psychoanalysis sucks. Try again.

 

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