May 07, 2010
— DrewM The people of the UK voted and decided they pretty much don't like anyone.
The Conservatives picked up around 90 108 seats but they had so few seats after so many years of Labour rule even picking up that many seats wasn't enough to get them an outright majority. Labour has lost about 80 100 seats (there are still a handful of outstanding seats to be awarded). The Liberal Democrats seem to have about the same number of seats with 57 so far (actually, they lost 5 seats).
So at this point it looks like the Conservatives have 304, Labour 257 and Liberal Democrats 57 and a handful of minor parties (Scottish, Irish, Welsh based parties and the Greens even won one) have 28. It takes 326 to get a majority.
What happens now? Let's make a deal!
Despite the fact he's led his party to a historic defeat, as sitting Prime Minister Gordon Prime Minister gets first shot at forming a government. Technically his 'term' doesn't end and he doesn't need to go to the Queen. As long as he can produce a majority on "The Queen's Speech", he stays Prime Minister until he resigns or losses a vote of no-confidence in the House.
If he can't produce that majority, he will resign and the Conservatives, under David Cameron will get the chance to form a government.
Right now the fight is over how realistic it is for a 'coalition of the losers' (Labour and the Lib Dems) to form a government. It's kind of like 2000 when Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the electoral vote.
If Brown can't get a deal together Cameron will have the chance to either form a formal coalition with the Lib Dems or run a minority government. The minority government route means he either cuts deals with another party or parties to vote with them on a few key votes or promises to at least abstain on them (which would give Conservatives the pluralities they need in the Commons).
Right now the man of the hour is Nick Clegg, leader of the Liberal Dems. He was thought to have been the guy people thought won the first debate and that his party would surge. There was talk they would get in the neighborhood of 100 sets. Not so much.
Who will Clegg go with?
During the election campaign, leader Nick Clegg repeatedly said the party with the "biggest mandate" should get the right to govern.Speaking on Friday morning, he said that he "stuck" by that position and that the Conservatives, having won the most seats and votes, should have first right to try and form a government in the "national interest".
Many commentators have interpreted his comments as suggesting he would not "prop-up" a government led by Mr Brown even though his predecessor Lord Ashdown has suggested his party is "too far apart" from the Conservatives.
The LibDems big meta issue is election reform. They want to do away with the UK's "First Past the Pole" system and towards proportional representation. On one hand a hung Parliament helps to get people thinking about reform but if people don't like the uncertainty it's producing, well this kind of backroom negotiating is a feature not a bug of a proportional representation type system.
Bottom line, someone will wind up forming a government and then they will likely wind up doing it all again later this year or early next.
All I can think of while watching this....Thank you James Madison!
Also...The exit poll looked a little shaky early on but it was vindicated by the end of things.
It was amusing to watch the BBC feed last night. All the analysts were befuddled by the results. The Conservatives released a list of their targets from 'most likely to take' to 'least likely'. They lost a fair number of the supposed low hanging fruit but made up for it by winning seats where they needed a big upset.
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Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 07, 2010 06:36 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 06:37 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 07, 2010 06:37 AM (/U/Mr)
Posted by: Feh at May 07, 2010 06:37 AM (03YYj)
Posted by: Solo4357 at May 07, 2010 06:40 AM (q4NLr)
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at May 07, 2010 06:42 AM (J/7Bx)
Posted by: Jean at May 07, 2010 06:42 AM (JaO+v)
Greece, Britain and the rest of the piigs of the Eurozone should be an example to us for what happens to countries when the takers start taking more than the givers are able to give.
Europeans have had more than a half century to destroy their economies with socialism. In this country, because our leftists are so convinced of their superiority at being the best socialists evah, the trip will be a lot shorter but the end will be the same - takers grow exponentially as givers are exhausted and outflow cannot exceed inflow - period.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 07, 2010 06:44 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: Barry Obama, President of the World at May 07, 2010 06:47 AM (1fanL)
Posted by: Barry Obama -- The Savior of the World at May 07, 2010 06:48 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 07, 2010 06:49 AM (0GFWk)
And Steyn's quote on the elections' difference is that in the U.S. every time there's an election, it's a crisis; and in the UK every time there's a crisis, there's an election.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 07, 2010 06:53 AM (WBIMn)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 06:56 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Barry the Presentent at May 07, 2010 06:57 AM (+FkcS)
Nonetheless, Obama's really been stymied despite huge majorities and what representation the GOP has is enough to slow things down so that they can't be rammed through. This tends to make the public a little testy.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 07, 2010 06:59 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 07, 2010 06:59 AM (WBIMn)
Posted by: Bugler at May 07, 2010 07:01 AM (VXBR1)
Live BBC feed
Electoral map, w/ 2 seats undeclared
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 07:02 AM (yfJ6g)
A government incapable of doing anything would have been a really awesome thing to have around here a few months back. Total paralysis would be WAAAAAYYY better than what we have suffered. At least there would have been no health care bill, and businesses could rest assured that the status quo would not be overturned. Long live gridlock!
These days every government solution just makes things worse. Even if we win in the next cycle, I'm not convinced that the Reps will do enough RINO elimination to make them totally safe to give power to.
Posted by: Reactionary at May 07, 2010 07:02 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: maddogg at May 07, 2010 07:02 AM (OlN4e)
It was amusing to watch the BBC feed last night. All the analysts were befuddled by the results. The Conservatives released a list of their targets from 'most likely to take' to 'least likely'. They lost a fair number of the supposed low hanging fruit but made up for it by winning seats where they needed a big upset.
This means the Tories need to stop being such wusses.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 07:02 AM (tH7KR)
Posted by: Drew in MO at May 07, 2010 07:06 AM (j6r2e)
Yes, but I type "in the end, there will be only chaos" with less enthusiasm and gusto these days.
Just look at the Dow Jones.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 07:06 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: DocJ at May 07, 2010 07:07 AM (dt6br)
Its too bad there there really isn't a ideologically conservative party still remaining in Britain so people could vote for real reform to the bloated socialist system.
The UKIP are probably the best of the lot for that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 07:09 AM (tH7KR)
lol, that's nuts. You mentioned another guy running for Cameron's seat who showed up dressed as a crucified Jesus. Stay classy peoples, geez.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 07:10 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: DocJ at May 07, 2010 07:10 AM (dt6br)
Posted by: Drew in MO at May 07, 2010 07:11 AM (j6r2e)
Us and the Brits are on the same socialism curve, just on different ends. There is some hope that we might be able to buck the trend, but the Brits are completely screwed.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 07:13 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Mal at May 07, 2010 07:14 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Barry Obama -- The Savior of the World at May 07, 2010 07:15 AM (SZy+Y)
"This makes me think of the 2x speed, Benny Hill segements."
I actually had the Benny Hill Yakkity Sax music playing in my head while reading that attempt at an explanation...
Posted by: Lawrence Taylor at May 07, 2010 07:17 AM (sPO/s)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 07:18 AM (yfJ6g)
The nearest they have to that, UKIP, got about a million votes (which is a lot), but no seats, because unbought, ideological constituencies are scattered. That's why we have blue-dot/red-field electoral maps here, too; the GOP, shitty as it is, is more principled than the Ds are, so they don't have high-population "strongholds".
UKIP will never win a seat. No American-style conservative party can, anywhere in Europe. They can (and will) go Nazi again, but they can't go Jefferson, unless there's an unprecedented revolution. It can't happen by vote. Democracy is the antithesis of liberty.
Posted by: oblig. at May 07, 2010 07:18 AM (x7Ao8)
Posted by: Benson at May 07, 2010 07:19 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: Barry Obama -- The Savior of the World at May 07, 2010 07:19 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 07:19 AM (RD7QR)
No, Drew; the UKIP are nationalist but free-market.
Only Chuckles the Johnson gets them confused with the BNP, and he does it on purpose.
Posted by: Zimriel at May 07, 2010 07:19 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 07:20 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: DocJ at May 07, 2010 07:20 AM (dt6br)
Well, the UKIP holds 13 in the EU Parliament. They also have two seats in the House of Lords.
Posted by: Benson at May 07, 2010 07:21 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: kallisto at May 07, 2010 07:22 AM (+FkcS)
Posted by: Mal at May 07, 2010 07:25 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Benson at May 07, 2010 07:26 AM (qzcNU)
This is all well and good, but it's time for another flaming skull/witty post title as there's NEW UNEXPECTED ECONOMIC NEWS TM today...
Heh.
PS - it's "funemployment", and it's up again.
Posted by: Jess at May 07, 2010 07:27 AM (xgrkw)
Posted by: Reactionary at May 07, 2010 07:27 AM (xUM1Q)
I was just asking because Andrew Sullivan works for The Atlantic, so I thought you might have been talking about him. That's one sexy piece of man meat, no?
Posted by: Benson at May 07, 2010 07:28 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 07, 2010 07:29 AM (WBIMn)
So the libs lost seats, the conservatives gained seats and the headline is "Chaos"? When did this site become the MSM?
I know it's a cluster over there but can we play up the bright side for our cousins just a wee bit more?
Posted by: Dang at May 07, 2010 07:29 AM (UA4gE)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 07, 2010 07:30 AM (ZSVyF)
"as sitting Prime Minister Gordon Prime Minister
Heh. I take it he's the Prime Minister?"
He's with the London Party of Redundancy Party: London.
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 07:30 AM (sPO/s)
Posted by: DocJ at May 07, 2010 11:20 AM (dt6br)
It's not the genes. It's the ideas. Remember - the best things about the US when it was founded came from combining Anglo Saxon civilization with the independence and hardening/strengthening of mind and spirit that came from living on a frontier.
The socialists are 100% to blame for everything wrong with England today.
Posted by: Reactionary at May 07, 2010 07:32 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 07:32 AM (RD7QR)
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Ha! Hell to the No once again.
Although my post did sound like something Andrea would say. She better keep away from him, I saw the sexy Brit first!!!11!
Posted by: kallisto at May 07, 2010 07:32 AM (+FkcS)
#62, Well Said.
When Britain first, at Heaven's command Arose from out the azure main; This was the charter of the land, And guardian angels sang this strain: "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves."Posted by: Jess at May 07, 2010 07:33 AM (xgrkw)
UKIP is anti-EU, pro-free market capitalism, pro-civic nationalism, pro-school choice, pro-nuclear power, global warming skeptic, anti-carbon cuts, and pro-civil liberties.
Damn, any chance we can get them to replace the current Republican party?
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 07, 2010 07:33 AM (f7A+e)
"there's NEW UNEXPECTED ECONOMIC NEWS TM today"
I hit up Innocent Bystanders first today, so that I could dip in the glory of Geoff's updated tracking chart.
Dipped so deep, it left a little imprint of the recycling code on me.
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 07:34 AM (sPO/s)
While I'm dreaming -- Cameron should go. Daniel Hannan is the man.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 07, 2010 07:35 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 07:35 AM (RD7QR)
The funny thing is the UKIP would probably do quite well in American elections. But it can't win a House of Commons seat in Britain.
Maybe we can import the UKIP here and send Lindsey Graham and his Merry Band of Morons to Britain.
Posted by: Benson at May 07, 2010 07:35 AM (qzcNU)
Maybe we can import the UKIP here and send Lindsey Graham and his Merry Band of Morons to Britain.
Seems like a fair trade to me.
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 07, 2010 07:37 AM (f7A+e)
Isn't the UKIP a crazy nationalist near fascist party?
No, that would be the BNP. And given what the Muslim savages are dong, the BNP may have a point. Indeed, their own party leader, Nick Griffin, gave a speech to the rank and file which paraphrased basically said, "Look you lunkheads, Jews aren't the problem..."
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 07:37 AM (tH7KR)
Posted by: Drew in MO at May 07, 2010 07:38 AM (j6r2e)
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 07, 2010 07:39 AM (f7A+e)
Posted by: Barry Obama -- The Savior of the World at May 07, 2010 07:40 AM (SZy+Y)
"Maybe we can import the UKIP here and send Lindsey Graham and his Merry Band of Morons to Britain."
The AIP? So we'd have as political icons an elephant, a jackass, and a gorilla?
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 07:40 AM (sPO/s)
Benson Maybe we can import the UKIP here and send Lindsey Graham and his Merry Band of Morons to Britain the northernmost island of the Shetlands and then sow mines around its coast.
FIFY
Posted by: Zimriel at May 07, 2010 07:41 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 07, 2010 07:41 AM (f7A+e)
"The AIP? So we'd have as political icons an elephant, a jackass, and a gorilla?"
Actually, we already have an AIP, which in some states is the Constitution (constipation) Party, in other states is the US taxpayers party.
If they would just put their energy into making the GOP something with more mettle.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 07:43 AM (tH7KR)
Posted by: Drew in MO at May 07, 2010 07:43 AM (j6r2e)
GOP leadership do not waffle on illegal immigration enforcement!
Posted by: mim/ginaswo at May 07, 2010 07:45 AM (vJ67y)
Skippy 82: History, mostly. The Liberals were a free-market / do-gooder party until the First World War. One of the great ideas the Liberals had, though, was to open up the franchise and to allow trade unions; so there came to be a "free stuff!!1" party from the latter. That would be Labour. The Liberals continued their progress toward suicide by screwing up so bad in the Great Chicken-Fucking, 1914-18. The Liberals got left with a bunch of tea-sipping middle-class old ladies who thought the Conservatives were not nice enough. They'd been raking in 25% of the vote and 10% of the Parliament ever since.
Since Blair, Labour is now an ideological mess and the Liberals have decided to morph into the "even MORE free stuff!!1" party. So no, there's no difference anymore.
Posted by: Zimriel at May 07, 2010 07:48 AM (9Sbz+)
I've never understood something: what exactly is the major difference between the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties anyway?
The Liberals used to be the traditional opposition to the Tories until about 1910-1920. The Liberals cracked up over (1) Home Rule for Ireland, (2) The general chaos of World War One, (3) the rise of socialist madness. But given that the parliamentary system generally allows 3rd parties unlike our presidential/congressional system that basically squenches them, they hung on as a small party.
The Liberal Party got new life when the Labour Party went full blown Communist in the 1980's, disgruntled and still patriotic Labourites defected (not unlike the "Boll Weevil" and "Blue Dog" Southern Democrats in the USA) and for a time it looked like it would become the #2 opposition party to the Tories.
Then Tony "NuLabour" Blair purged the communists from the party and basically went "nanny state but still tolerating the Thatcherite free market so we can tax it for out nanny state programs and welfare handout vote buys."
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 07:48 AM (tH7KR)
Batten down the hatches! Comedy gold to ensue!
US Vice President Biden visits Spain Published: 5/7/10, 11:25 AM EDTMADRID (AP) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden has arrived in Spain to meet with Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and King Juan Carlos for talks.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 07, 2010 07:50 AM (pr+up)
the lesson I take from this is the Tories should have been more forthright about fiscal conservative positions and cutting and holding down immigration., Their attempts to be labour lite left some going to libdem to at least have a party that takes a strong stance.
Bingo! Sorry ace, but I must disagree with an earlier post of yours. The Tories faltered because they went wobbly, not because they were too hardcore for the UK electorate, even though so many of them are pussies.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 07:50 AM (tH7KR)
Posted by: Drew in MO at May 07, 2010 07:52 AM (j6r2e)
Posted by: Fritz at May 07, 2010 07:53 AM (GwPRU)
OT
Barry: "I've discovered the secret to job growth in this country. More golf. I will not rest from playing golf..."
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 07, 2010 07:54 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: Zimriel at May 07, 2010 07:56 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Xoxotl at May 07, 2010 07:56 AM (DRIEp)
MADRID (AP) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden has arrived in Spain to meet with Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and King Juan Carlos for talks
Batten down the hatches! Comedy gold to ensue!
unfortunately, this will be a true statement.
it's a big f***ing deal we have a VP , that represents the current 'confederacy of dunces', and represents them well
story at 11. i'll supply the popcorn
Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at May 07, 2010 07:58 AM (qUgx8)
the lesson I take from this is the Tories should have been more forthright about fiscal conservative positions and cutting and holding down immigration., Their attempts to be labour lite left some going to libdem to at least have a party that takes a strong stance.
Bingo! Sorry ace, but I must disagree with an earlier post of yours. The Tories faltered because they went wobbly, not because they were too hardcore for the UK electorate, even though so many of them are pussies.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 11:50 AM (tH7KR)
Plus, the left in Britain has discovered what all socialists instinctively know, the secret to a permanent core constituency and a core source of contributions is handouts. Patronage works just as well. That's why they will not cease in this country.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 07, 2010 07:59 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:01 AM (9hSKh)
I agree. Ace's point wasn't bad, but in the Brit system, with an aimless Labour party and a weirdo LDP splitting the gimme, gimme, gimme vote, this a perfect opportunity to go Thatcherite.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 07, 2010 08:01 AM (T0NGe)
The socialists are 100% to blame for everything wrong with England today.
Posted by: Reactionary at May 07, 2010 11:32 AM (xUM1Q)
Some of the blame must go to their dentists.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 08:03 AM (1Jaio)
Labour is less radical than the Lib Dems. The Lib Dems favourite book is John Stuart Mill's On Liberty, & they are primarily advocates of social liberalism. Other than that, they spend a majority of their time fighting both main parties. From what I've seen from PMQs, they're all about advocating a welfare state & that govt is corrupt in that it steals from the average John Smith.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:04 AM (yfJ6g)
See Mr. Cameron, if you had tried to differentiate your party just a teeny bit more from all the other Gaia-worshipping losers, you'd have a majority!
Posted by: logprof at May 07, 2010 08:04 AM (Mmw0q)
Batten down the hatches! Comedy gold to ensue!
US Vice President Biden visits Spain Published: 5/7/10, 11:25 AM EDTMADRID (AP) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden has arrived in Spain to meet with Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and King Juan Carlos for talks.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 07, 2010 11:50 AM (pr+up)
Biden: I just want to say how much we appreciate you Spanish guys and if you ever want to swim across the border you're more than welcome. I've got some lawn work that needs to get done pronto. Any of you guys know where I can get a good buritto around here?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 08:06 AM (1Jaio)
Not much different from Canada last election.
See Mr. Cameron, if you had tried to differentiate your party just a teeny bit more from all the other Gaia-worshipping losers, you'd have a majority!
Indeed. I think the UK would be more like Canada if they had held onto all of Ireland. with four major parties instead of three.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 08:06 AM (tH7KR)
I wonder how they reconcile those two divergent ideas, as I'd say that a welfare state steals prodigiously from the average John Smith.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:07 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 08:09 AM (RD7QR)
Makes you wonder why the Republicans imposed the same silly system on the poor Iraqis.
Speaking of Iraqis, have they chosen a new PM yet?
The election was two months ago.
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 08:09 AM (5Etcj)
Pretty much; that, & electoral reform was a popular issue in certain areas of the UK. But Cameron chose to ignore the advice of some of his fellow MPs & be more like Labour. He's been repeatedly raked over the coals since last night due to his incompetence against Brown.
I think this also puts the nail in the coffin of Brown being more effective than Blair, for all his supposed charms. Also shows the inefficiency of having a 3-party system. If we tried that here, we would at least have a leader, but it would throw a wrench in the entire system. Everything would be all about power-broking.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:11 AM (yfJ6g)
They keep resequencing with better technology and coming up with different answers. Also, a lot of this is statistics and it may depend on who's doing the numbers. I think there probably was interbreeding but I doubt it mattered much to the Neanderthals, who probably either failed to adapt to post-glacial conditions or got hunted down and killed by humans.
Apparently this has been a subject of debate for some time. There were three ideas of why the Neanderthals disappeared:
1. They were not able to adapt a la the dinosaurs (neanderthals were "f**ked up")
2. They were wiped out by cro-magnons (neanderthals were "f**ked over")
3. They mated with the cro-magnons (neanderthals were literally f**ked)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 08:11 AM (tH7KR)
Batten down the hatches! Comedy gold to ensue!
US Vice President Biden visits Spain Published: 5/7/10, 11:25 AM EDTMADRID (AP) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden has arrived in Spain to meet with Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and King Juan Carlos for talks.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 07, 2010 11:50 AM (pr+up)
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.Posted by: Joe "The Sheriff" Biden at May 07, 2010 08:13 AM (zqzYV)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 08:15 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Wallace "Buster" Hymand at May 07, 2010 08:17 AM (SZy+Y)
No idea, as it seems it's never seriously been done.
Brown might have been able to pick off some seats if he held to New Labour instead of Old. Electoral map shows a sea of blue throughout England, with the LDs taking large segments of Wales & the Southwest, with London being taken by Labour. Then you have Scotland, which is primarily Lib Dem because they still hold a grudge against Thatcher.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:17 AM (yfJ6g)
<SNIP>
Do you do anything but lob grenades? Really, try making a cogent argument sometimes.
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 12:15 PM (RD7QR)
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Posted by: The guy who makes movie quotes references at May 07, 2010 08:18 AM (zqzYV)
The stakes are a little for America's trillion dollar experiment in nation building.
Will Bush's puppet surrender power to the guy who won the election or not?
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 08:18 AM (5Etcj)
Boy, that's a funny first name. Mind you, I had a dog named King so I'm not one to talk.
Posted by: joe biden at May 07, 2010 08:19 AM (WBIMn)
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I haven't heard a word about the Monster Raving Looney Party vote. The MSM truly does suck.
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I did see a Raving Looney candidate in Barking on CSPAN last night. The district voted for Labour over the Conservative guy by a ratio of 3:1.
Gives meaning to the phrase "Barking mad."
Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at May 07, 2010 08:19 AM (hA3Vp)
Will Bush's puppet surrender power to the guy who won the election or not?
You, sir, are gifted.
Posted by: garrett at May 07, 2010 08:20 AM (1QGnI)
Then we have the newer Lib Dem leader. Preferred Kennedy, who got ousted. He made some mistakes, but it didn't matter. It's all a Britain's Got Talent situation. Just look at Cameron.
The Tories haven't had a great leader since Thatcher. PM Blair rhetorically & politically slaughtered all their leaders from 1997-2007, & they pretty much let him. Of course, when your strategy is "anyone but Blair" & you become more liberal than New Labour on some issues, it all makes sense.
Then we have all the nationalistic Welsh, Scottish, & Northern Irish parties, & it's an disaster. They all want devolution & independence whilst simultaneously relying on money from England.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:20 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 08:20 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:20 AM (Yq+qN)
Agreed. /Genetics makes my head hurt - really respect those researchers that can slog through that.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:20 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Joe "The Sheriff" Biden at May 07, 2010 08:21 AM (zqzYV)
It really bothers you that Iraq is a democracy, doesn't it?
Posted by: Mal at May 07, 2010 08:22 AM (Z+qzA)
UK Election Results: Chaos
Good headline for someone presumably itching to say "Anarchy in the UK." A fine display of the restrain that I lack.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 07, 2010 08:22 AM (cQyWA)
Brown might have been able to pick off some seats if he held to New Labour instead of Old. Electoral map shows a sea of blue throughout England, with the LDs taking large segments of Wales & the Southwest, with London being taken by Labour. Then you have Scotland, which is primarily Lib Dem because they still hold a grudge against Thatcher.
Note how their map correctly Identifies Labour as "red". Would that we had the same color scheme in the USA.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 08:22 AM (tH7KR)
New around here? Everyone knows that Ace is the hardest working blogger in alll the internets and often is posting at the crack of 3:00 p.m.
and done by 5:00 p.m.!
Posted by: garrett at May 07, 2010 08:23 AM (1QGnI)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:23 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: joncelli at May 07, 2010 08:23 AM (RD7QR)
IIRC, we did until the 2000 elections.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:23 AM (9hSKh)
Geez snappy, get over it. We won in Iraq. Bush was right. Let go of the hate and move on with your life.
He can't. People like him are still suffereing indigestion from all the fermenting Sandinista Semen they swallowed.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 08:24 AM (tH7KR)
Posted by: Moltke at May 07, 2010 08:24 AM (VmtE9)
The stakes are a little for America's trillion dollar experiment in nation building.
Will Bush's puppet surrender power to the guy who won the election or not?
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 12:18 PM (5Etcj)
DUDE...your KOS field is weak, go back to your hole and come back when you can form a cohesive thought.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 07, 2010 08:24 AM (pr+up)
1702
The BBC's Iain Watson says the mood is surprisingly upbeat at Labour's headquarters. There is still hope there that Nick Clegg will opt for Labour's offer instead of the Tories'. He says there is relief that David Cameron only put an inquiry into the voting system onto the table for Nick Clegg to consider rather than the promise of a referendum itself. As far as Labour is concerned, he says, the "game is still on".
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:25 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Joe "The Sheriff" Biden at May 07, 2010 08:26 AM (zqzYV)
Posted by: Reiver at May 07, 2010 08:26 AM (64S5N)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 08:26 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 08:27 AM (VmtE9)
So at this point it looks like the Conservatives have 304, Labour 257 and Liberal Democrats 57 and a handful of minor parties (Scottish, Irish, Welsh based parties and the Greens even won one) have 28. It takes 326 to get a majority.
yeah sounds like a no common sense idea, if you have more seats you should have the power, but the British Parliamentary system needs reform on how their government comes to be, it has for a long time
If Brown can't get a deal together Cameron will have the chance to either form a formal coalition with the Lib Dems or run a minority government. The minority government route means he either cuts deals with another party or parties to vote with them on a few key votes or promises to at least abstain on them (which would give Conservatives the pluralities they need in the Commons).
will probably end up in another election in the next year where labour will take even more hits, they're so unpopular in Britian right now even the lefty journalists are being brutal on them
All I can think of while watching this....Thank you James Madison!
all I can think is, another blow to Beck's wishful 3rd party thinking
It's kind of like 2000 when Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the
electoral vote.
but this is more confusing then that, because in that election Gore won more votes then Bush nationwide, Bush just so happen to win more states then Gore to win the electoral college and thus the election (something libs brought about themselves by rushing to be crumbled up together in parts of the country during the 80s and costing them that election by doing so); here there is a clear win in seats AND popular vote
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:27 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 12:20 PM (Yq+qN)
What a bunch of jerks!
Posted by: Bloc Quebecois at May 07, 2010 08:28 AM (Mmw0q)
306 Conservative
258 Labour
57 Lib Dem
28 Other
Meh, they keep talking about the Lib-Lab Pact of '77. I know Gordie has a constitutional chance to form a govt, but he should just call it quits. Resign already, you cretin. It's been hours.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:30 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 07, 2010 08:30 AM (tH7KR)
The world loves us now though! Besides, who cares about those typical white-people Brits? What has England ever done for the world?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:30 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 12:27 PM (VmtE9)
(Knowing it's a sock) Who did the best job raping you?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 08:30 AM (1Jaio)
The Guardian is reporting that Odumbass has already insulted potential P.M. Cameron by calling him a "lightweight." More foreign policy brilliance from Duh Won.
That's coming from a lights kinned fellow with no discernable negro dialect!
Awwwww - Snap!
Posted by: Harry Reid at May 07, 2010 08:30 AM (1QGnI)
Posted by: Reiver at May 07, 2010 12:26 PM (64S5N)
The Indonesian Imbecile is calling someone a "lightweight"? That's rich. People with IQs of 83 really have high opinions of themselves, these days. It's an offense to the intellect.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 08:31 AM (5TNVe)
actually that won't be voted on until 3 weeks from now, something about one of the candidates dying causing the delay
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:31 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Joe "The Sheriff" Biden at May 07, 2010 08:32 AM (zqzYV)
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 07, 2010 08:32 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Reiver at May 07, 2010 12:26 PM (64S5N)
has Obama ever seen what Cameron did to Brown in the House of Commons?, youtube it, it makes me wish Obama sat on the seat Brown was inPosted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:32 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Israel at May 07, 2010 08:33 AM (Mmw0q)
The spin is "people flooding back into the labor market due to signs of economic recovery."
Posted by: the peanut gallery at May 07, 2010 08:33 AM (NurK6)
155 Really? So what happened in that one constituency where they were arguing fraud? They hadn't started counting as of 6am BST.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:34 AM (yfJ6g)
The are too many racist white cracker tea baggers in the UK today. So, I have decided that more Mexicans should relocate to the UK to balance the power from those Anglo Saxons, Irish, etc... whom have stolen from the indegious Hispanic peoples of color from the UK and Northern Ireland.
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 07, 2010 08:35 AM (SZy+Y)
144 The Guardian is reporting that Odumbass has already insulted potential P.M. Cameron by calling him a "lightweight." More foreign policy brilliance from Duh Won.
RULE # 1
insult someone
RULE #2
insult someone so you appear to be wittier/better than said person
Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at May 07, 2010 08:35 AM (qUgx8)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:36 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 12:34 PM (yfJ6g)
I don't know but 1 seat is left and that 1 seat is to be voted on in 3 weeks
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:37 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Hank Johnson (D, Dumbass) at May 07, 2010 08:37 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at May 07, 2010 08:37 AM (YPivX)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:37 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 12:27 PM (VmtE9)
(Knowing it's a sock) Who did the best job raping you?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 07, 2010 12:30 PM (1Jaio)
Nancy Pelosi. Remember that giant "gavel" she was carrying for the glorious free-health-care-for-all vote? When she visited me, it was still attached to her strap-on harness....
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 08:38 AM (VmtE9)
The Guardian is reporting that Odumbass has already insulted potential P.M. Cameron by calling him a "lightweight."
The funny part is that the Indonesian Imbecile probably called Cameron a "lightwait" ... just like the "57 states" or "profit and earnings ratios".
If I were Cameron, I would respond with, "All I can say is that I am a lighter weight than The Precedent by 3000%. Imbecile."
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 08:39 AM (5TNVe)
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 07, 2010 08:39 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: CraigC at May 07, 2010 08:39 AM (0Meay)
Posted by: DocJ at May 07, 2010 11:20 AM (dt6br)
It's not the genes. It's the ideas. Remember - the best things about the US when it was founded came from combining Anglo Saxon civilization with the independence and hardening/strengthening of mind and spirit that came from living on a frontier.
The socialists are 100% to blame for everything wrong
with England today.
Should be blame the Normans?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 07, 2010 08:39 AM (/U/Mr)
Posted by: Hank Strum at May 07, 2010 08:40 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 12:37 PM (Yq+qN)
--Don't forget Climaquiddick. What a beautifully gift-wrapped opportunity to chuck the Greenie agenda that the Tories just pissed on.
Posted by: logprof at May 07, 2010 08:40 AM (Mmw0q)
My my, another proposed coalition between Lib/Lab & national parties in Scotland, Wales, & Northern Ireland.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:40 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Retread at May 07, 2010 08:40 AM (dNlFB)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 12:36 PM (Yq+qN)
I know i'll get heat for this but Major was their last leader and probably better then Thatcher
Blair was a good debater in the house of commons and enjoyed popularity as PM but Brown came in, embarrassed himself in the debates, and polls as the worst PM, one poll asked British citizens to rank PMs, the top 3 were 1. Churchill, 2. Attlee, 3. Thatcher; Brown kept polling as LAST, I think Blair made the top 10 last I checked; 1 guy ruined his whole party, kinda like what Obama is doing to the coalition Clinton had built up to get Dems electable again
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:40 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Al Sharpen at May 07, 2010 08:42 AM (SZy+Y)
They did the same thing with the expenses scandal. But yes, they waffled on the climate scandal, though climate change issues have begun to permeate the Conservative Party, or so is my understanding. In other words, Cameron would have aggravated some in his own party but capitalizing on that.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:43 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:44 AM (38UQ3)
What chaos?
There's no chaos in the UK. They'll sort this out in the next dew days; meanwhile Brown will continue to govern.
Posted by: Count Chocula at May 07, 2010 08:44 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 12:40 PM (38UQ3)
So, the Brits rank Churchill as the best PM, but they thought it bright to toss him out right after he saved their asses - to descend into the socialist abyss. Nice folks, there... and smart, too ... yep.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 08:44 AM (5TNVe)
Yeah, show us your transcripts, Obrilliant one.
I love how the people who adore diplomacy are so horrible at it.
Even if Obama wouldn't needlessly insult allies, he has no idea how the world works and neither did Americans.
Around the world, America is daddy. America tells the rest of the world that they can't eat ice cream before dinner, that they can't play ball in the house, that they have to be home by 10.
And the rest of the world whines and complains about it because they have no responsibilities, so they can vent their anger about all of their failures at America.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 07, 2010 08:45 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Soon to be Ex-ExZonie at May 07, 2010 08:45 AM (as47X)
That possibility crossed my mind as I was looking at the election results page, but that would be just crazy to implement in practice, right?
Talk about herding cats. But the Left loves its power, so it's a distinct possibility.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:46 AM (9hSKh)
Iraq ain't really a democracy if the guy who lost the election uses the army the American taxpayers supplied him to stay in power, is it?
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 08:46 AM (5Etcj)
Blair was better than Brown, but he surrendered New Labour to Old by handing off to the Chancellor. But he supposedly made that promise, & everyone thought Brown was so intelligent, well-read, & wonderfully quiet. Now that they know who he is, they should be ashamed they ever went with the idea. Brown is still better than Alistair Darling, but not by much. These Scottish socialists (or commie, as AD once was) have never made great chancellors.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:47 AM (yfJ6g)
Batten down the hatches! Comedy gold to ensue!
US Vice President Biden visits Spain Published: 5/7/10, 11:25 AM EDTMADRID (AP) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden has arrived in Spain to meet with Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and King Juan Carlos for talks.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 07, 2010 11:50 AM (pr+up)
I'd like to thank Spain for sending us Lafayette to help us fight the Civil War. If not for him, our President could be picking cotton in Mississippi or some other red redneck state instead of saving the free world.
Posted by: Bungle Boy Biden at May 07, 2010 08:47 AM (xxgag)
Will Bush's puppet surrender power to the guy who won the election or not?
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 12:18 PM (5Etcj)
You liberal fucks really despise freedom in any form don't you?
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at May 07, 2010 08:48 AM (erIg9)
I am investigating the complaint that thousands of African-Anglo-Saxons in the UK where denied the right to vote. I will keep President Obama advised of the situation.....
Posted by: Al Sharpen at May 07, 2010 08:49 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Joe "The Sheriff" Biden at May 07, 2010 08:50 AM (zqzYV)
Posted by: George Gredin at May 07, 2010 08:51 AM (SZy+Y)
That was the highlight for me.
191 #178 The BBC is playing Gordie's comments right now, & his Scottish accent is showing. Anyway, he says that, if Cameron & Clegg fail, he wants a stab @ a Lib-Lab coalition. Wish the Queen would beat them with her hand-bag, but she never will.
Oh, he wants a referendum on what the British govt should be. That's rich. I kept hearing calls for a more American system during their morning programs, but seems like he wants it considered.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 08:51 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Joe Biden in Spain at May 07, 2010 08:52 AM (q/kmn)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 12:46 PM (5Etcj)
Iraq has elections of parties, not individuals, you blithering idiot.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 08:52 AM (5TNVe)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 12:44 PM (5TNVe)
actually he took back power 5 years later, don't forget people loved FDR back in the 40s and now his legacy has taken big hits, people were unsure about Reagan during his entire time in office polling the most unsures by any President even at the height of his popularity, now he's battling Washington and Lincoln in polls for Best President, Eisenhower was sent off as an average 2 termer now many people consider him a top 10 president, Dubya himself is making a comeback in his legacy, sometimes it takes time to really respect a leader's accomplishments; even Nixon w/ watergate destroying his legacy has seen a bit of a bump in looking at his sucessess; and the best example of this? Lincoln wasn't a popular President for most of his time in office in fact he had to add a dem to the ticket and change the name of his party in 1864 to get re-elected and that only happened after union victories boosted him towards victory
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:52 AM (38UQ3)
That hasn't happened, what has happened, is that you and people like you did all you could to help the dictator, that did use his army, to stay in power.
Posted by: Mal at May 07, 2010 08:53 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Jimmy Hogan at May 07, 2010 08:53 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Frank Stein at May 07, 2010 08:55 AM (SZy+Y)
To be fair, from what I've read about that, Churchill didn't run the best campaign either. He accused Attlee of wanting to behave like a dictator and said that Attlee would have to"to fall back on some form of a Gestapo" to impose socialism on Britian.
And the British public was tired, having suffered two World Wars in a short span of 30 years. Really can't blame them for succumbing then to the lure of socialism.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 08:56 AM (9hSKh)
"Iraq ain't really a democracy if the guy who lost the election uses the army the American taxpayers supplied him to stay in power, is it?"
I prefer to source my army locally.
Posted by: Kim Jong-il at May 07, 2010 08:56 AM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Reiver at May 07, 2010 12:26 PM (64S5N)
--To paraphrase St. Teresa of Ãvila, if this is how 0bama treats his friends, it's no wonder he has so few of them.
Posted by: logprof at May 07, 2010 08:57 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 12:51 PM (Yq+qN)
so a guy who wasn't elected to office, has horrible approval ratings, and who's party almost lost 100 seats in the biggest turnaround against labour since the 30s says he should get a crack at staying on as PM?
61% of Britians polled by BBC said they didn't want Brown to stay on as PM if it was hung parliment
btw isn't the Queen a conservative leaning woman? she had open disagreements w/ Blair & Brown and the Buckinham area is solid conservative voting wise
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 08:57 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Klein Groyum at May 07, 2010 08:57 AM (SZy+Y)
"If the oil spill is in the Gulf of Mexico, why don't the Mexicans clean it up???"
GASOLINA
GRATIS
------>
Posted by: a sign with an arrow pointing to the Gulf at May 07, 2010 08:59 AM (q/kmn)
Well, if letting Iran select who runs Iraq is freedom I'm not really for it.
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 09:00 AM (5Etcj)
The Queen is just a figurehead. How can she affect the outcome of this in any way?
/Ignorance of British politics shining right through.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 09:00 AM (9hSKh)
The BNP's popularity proves that fascism is alive and well in the UK. You should be grateful that you have my fine blog to point these things out to you.
And I'll ban the first person who gloats at me, stalkers.
Posted by: some other tyrant called Charles, lacking a head at May 07, 2010 09:00 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: LaQuisha Largeass from L.A. at May 07, 2010 09:00 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: a sign with an arrow pointing to the Gulf at May 07, 2010
12:59 PM (q/kmn)
kinda happy with the oil spill right now (I know I feel guilty saying that) but not only is it hurting Obama politically but I was offered a potential job in helping to clean it up
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 09:01 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: Zimriel at May 07, 2010 09:01 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Mallamutt at May 07, 2010 12:55 PM (OWjjx)
Really. You were lending crackdragon a semblance of sanity with that post.
Sadly, I don't think Cameron has the balls to do what either of us recommend for him. If he did, he would have been on top of some of the other major issues, already. But, I do hope that he comes back with some answer to the indonesian Imbecile that makes it clear that sane people consider him to be a total joke and a retard. Too much false, fake, lying deference is given to the Imbecile, here - by conservatives. It drives me crazy.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:01 AM (5TNVe)
"The Guardian is reporting that Odumbass has already insulted potential P.M. Cameron by calling him a "lightweight." More foreign policy brilliance from Duh Won."
So I'm guessing that, if Cameron takes the seat, Barry won't be getting the complete "Fawlty Towers" and "Are You Being Served?" series on DVD?
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 09:02 AM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Joey Plugs at May 07, 2010 09:02 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010
01:00 PM (9hSKh)
she can't affect the decision and yes she's a figurehead but she can make speeches and voice her opinion on matters, that was my point
Posted by: Young Renaissance Man (AKA: YRM: Probably The Youngest Guy On Here) at May 07, 2010 09:02 AM (38UQ3)
Posted by: FUBAR at May 07, 2010 09:02 AM (1fanL)
"BNP didn't get a single seat."
After the mess they've made in the Gulf of Mexico....good!
Posted by: Joe Biden in Spain at May 07, 2010 12:53 PM (q/kmn)
I would like to tell the good people of Hispanica that Americans are tired of crude oil, so we're exploring for nice oil.
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at May 07, 2010 09:03 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:04 AM (yfJ6g)
Cameron should give Obama an Arthur Treacher's franchise, and a note that says "Try running this for a while before you ruin any more of our nations economies."
Posted by: Doc at May 07, 2010 09:05 AM (WKOg4)
Awesome idea. Give the blog keys to Miss80sbaby for a bit.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010 09:05 AM (9hSKh)
/Ignorance of British politics shining right through.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 07, 2010
01:00 PM (9hSKh)
Don;t know about the UK, but the Queen's representative in Canada, the Governor General, can intervene if there's a danger of a government unravelling. She did it last year when the three opposition parties threatened a "coup" and she gave Parliament a "time-out" to cool off. That was one of the best things she did.
She's also hot.
Posted by: logprof at May 07, 2010 09:06 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: Arthur Treacher at May 07, 2010 09:06 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:07 AM (Yq+qN)
Well, if letting Iran select who runs Iraq is freedom I'm not really for it.
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 01:00 PM (5Etcj)
Your ignorance is world class.
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at May 07, 2010 09:07 AM (erIg9)
"I was offered a potential job in helping to clean it up"
Lookie here...Big Oil trying to nudge in on the "clean coal" market...
Posted by: Sharriff Joe! at May 07, 2010 09:08 AM (q/kmn)
Posted by: logprof at May 07, 2010 09:08 AM (Mmw0q)
Prome Minister of Englond? In the land of Big Bon, the Quoon, and spotted dock!
Posted by: nosoupforyoudragon at May 07, 2010 09:08 AM (YYOpm)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 01:00 PM (5Etcj)
You douchebags want to let Iran run the whole mideast ... because you're just that stupid and have that much enmity for the West. I really wish you emotional basketcases would stop letting your issues with your fathers lead you to trying to destroy everything that reminds you of your fathers - our own society. Go take some anti-psychotics and stay out of politics. All you people do is destroy everything around you.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:12 AM (5TNVe)
"Well, if letting Iran select who runs Iraq is freedom I'm not really for it."
Liberals don't like Iran?
Does Mahmoud know?
Posted by: Sharriff Joe! at May 07, 2010 09:14 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:14 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Zimriel at May 07, 2010 09:14 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 07, 2010 09:14 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 01:04 PM (yfJ6g)
They really don't have a Constitution. I know they like to say they do, but they don't. They are really flying with an unlimited government and rules that can be changed on a whim. They are close to a true democracy in that sense, with the supreme power really being in the whim of the voters and the whims of whomever controls parliament. It's a pretty crappy system.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:17 AM (5TNVe)
"Well, if letting Iran select who runs Iraq is freedom I'm not really for it."
This, after yesterday suggesting we gut our entire Navy and rely on drones?
Snappie, you're losing focus...
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 09:18 AM (XiVKO)
The Republicans gave them a good start by getting rid of Saddam, its biggest enemy.
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 09:18 AM (5Etcj)
/s
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:19 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 07, 2010 09:22 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 01:18 PM (5Etcj)
Are you kidding? Iran's coming power over the middle east has nothing to do with Iraq, you blithering idiot. BTW, did you know that Saddam INTENTIONALLY spilled 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire? I would think that emotionally damaged enviro-wackos would have wanted his head on a stick.
Also, it's nice that you are endorsing the US' support of Iraq and Iran in fighting each other - trying to keep them even and occupied with killing as many of each other as they could. That was a good policy. But, after Saddam invaded Kuwait and did the above in his scorched-earth strategy while he was suffering one of the most humiliatiing military defeats in human history, it was clear to anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) that he could not be allowed to remain in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of thea world. But it is surprising that the enviro-wackos weren't bothered by Saddam's enviro-terror and wanted him left in power. Interesting, though we all know that cognitive dissonance is there the left lives.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:26 AM (5TNVe)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:27 AM (Yq+qN)
If a single party wins a majority, well then the old PM resigns and the new party forms a government just to speed things up. If they didn't, well the first vote would end things anyway.
I suppose if the queen called Brown in and told him to give it up, to let the Conservatives try and form a government he would probably have to do it, even if the letter of the law said he wouldn't have to. His own party might not want to put their chances on a flimsy coalition against the wishes of the country as a whole.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 07, 2010 09:27 AM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:31 AM (Yq+qN)
"BTW, did you know that Saddam INTENTIONALLY spilled 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire?"
You know what is interesting to me? When the MFM needed "perspective" on the current spill in the Gulf, they went to Alaska. Why didn't they go to this?
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 09:32 AM (XiVKO)
I'm no expert on English history either, but I think the crisis in 1935 was the other way around - the Prime Minister and government forced the King Edward to resign.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 07, 2010 09:33 AM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Jean at May 07, 2010 09:34 AM (OlnxK)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 01:27 PM (Yq+qN)
Yes. Which means that their government has no serious restrictions on its power - though the standing Executive (the royals) still has a final power (though unused). But, this is what you get when you have to fashion a modern government around a permanent royal Executive. Too much ad-hoc transfers of power ot the "legitmate" parliament and no real architecture for where it should go. So, in the end they have no separation of powers and no limits. Nasty stuff. But, that's Europe for you.
Democrats want the same for us, here. I got a kick out of the Dems holding "no-confidence" votes against Bush right after they won Congress. What a bunch of dolts. They don't even realize that "no-confidence" votes are totally meaningless in our system. We have some truly dumb people in the dem party. truly, spectaculary dumb ... and with daddy issues, too.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:35 AM (5TNVe)
You know what is interesting to me? When the MFM needed "perspective" on the current spill in the Gulf, they went to Alaska. Why didn't they go to this?
Posted by: reason at May 07, 2010 01:32 PM (XiVKO)
Yep. Typical deceitful, hypocritical, America-hating libs. They wanted Exxon execs hanged for the Valdez spill - even though Exxon wanted nothing more than getting all of their oil to market and being paid for it, but when Saddam attacks the Earth as he's being allowed to retreat, the libs say nothing - and for a spill over 4 times the size of the Valdez. It's crazy. And libs never talk about lighting the wells on fire. They won't me smoke friggin' cigarettes anywhere and they are all into global warming, but the worst ecological disaster in history (done by an arab in the way that arabs always treat things) and libs are mum.
It's amazing, isn't it?
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:39 AM (5TNVe)
King George V was still in power in 1935. You're thinking of the Abdication Crisis on 1937, the "year of 3 kings".
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:42 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Oldcat at May 07, 2010 09:45 AM (z1N6a)
Not really, but he did do a good job of keeping Iran in check. That's why Ronnie Reagan was his buddy...he even forgave Saddam when he put a missile into one of our ships.
It is a nice change to see the Right discussing the Iraqi election that took place two months ago and still hasn't produced a government.
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 09:45 AM (5Etcj)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 09:47 AM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Oldcat at May 07, 2010 09:54 AM (z1N6a)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 01:45 PM (5Etcj)
Italy had something like 40 governments in 50 years after WWII. So what? That is part of the unstable nature of parliamentary systems. But, you don't understand that. You and your ilk are pushing for the same sort of shit, here, as you have no respect for our Constitution or the architecture of American governance, as you people have done nothing but shit all over it.
Achmadinejad sends his thanks to you, crapdragon.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 09:56 AM (5TNVe)
Someone should tell Queenie that Strickland tells me white water rafting in the Grand Canyon is awesome! Oh, and I'd like to set her up with my good Mexican Spanish buddy, King.
Posted by: joe biden at May 07, 2010 10:03 AM (WBIMn)
Yes he did. '36 was the "Year of 3 Kings", not '37. Why did I think it was the year prior? I blame staying up until 4:30am to watch the election returns...& Booosh.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 10:06 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2010 10:08 AM (yfJ6g)
Great!
It will be nice to see if Iraq can have a single peaceful transfer of power...
Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 10:10 AM (5Etcj)
I guess the BBC is just casting about for comparisons. If I were in Labor's shoes, I think I'd rather the other guys be working with an ill-fitting tiny coalition government rather than me.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 07, 2010 10:13 AM (z1N6a)
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Posted by: snapdragon at May 07, 2010 02:10 PM (5Etcj)
Your Indonesian Imbecile is doing everything he can to make sure they don't.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 07, 2010 10:21 AM (5TNVe)
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Hey, I wanted to sleep. You're the one who kept messin' with me...
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