1

First?

 

Buttercup?  Sheesh.

2 Audio isn't working. How bad is this?

3 Levin is really beginning to turn into a prissy little bitch.  What's the matter, Marcia, missing the spotlight already?

4 Some people aren't happy unless we're a small, out-of-power group railing against the corrupt establishment. They'd rather lose every time than win with a compromise. They don't understand that politics is the art of the possible, and not everything can be cast in black and white.

5 Immigration is a deal breaker.

What does it matter if we win in 2012, if the Democrats are allowed to permanently alter the demographics of the country and guarantee themselfs a permanent majority?

6

Levin has his uses and is often inspirational when he is on his game. But he can also be a mercurial thin-skinned and obnoxious hater, to his potentially lasting detriment.

 

7 Come on, Levin.  Work with us here.

8 not everything can be cast in black and white. You don't say?

9 Who in their right mind listens to Levin?

Man, even when I agree with him my ears bleed.

10 No YOU'RE pushing it, ace.

11 Hey, ace? Clean-up needed at post 461 on the Chris Christie video thread. 
http://minx.cc/  ?blog=86&post=306063#c10949247

12 Uh...I see Chris Christie DOING. I see him taking direct and immediate conservative actions on a number of different issues. Jim DeMint? Not so much.

13 9 Who in their right mind listens to Levin?

Man, even when I agree with him my ears bleed.

Posted by: Robert at September 23, 2010 07:35 PM (jYQ2v)

It's the shouting... I just get tired of the shouting all the time.  He makes Michael Savage sound like an NPR host.

14 Well, Christie has this embarrassing proclivity for telling the truth about shit.  I can see where that might be seen as unacceptable.

15

Who in their right mind listens to Levin?

Man, even when I agree with him my ears bleed.



Don't get him in my market, thankfully.  I can't stand Hannity for that exact reason.

(cue "great american" guy, cue "great american" guy . . . )

16 4 Some people aren't happy unless we're a small, out-of-power group railing against the corrupt establishment. They'd rather lose every time than win with a compromise. They don't understand that politics is the art of the possible, and not everything can be cast in black and white.

I haven't voted for a candidate that I really liked in forever.  I always vote against people, not for people.  It is much easier to vote when your goal is to try and eliminate the worst candidate who has a chance of winning.  Don't waste your time trying to find somebody who is perfect cause it ain't going to happen.

17 Send him some pudding with detailed instructions. Butter cream cup sounds delicious.

18 I believe Christie supports Cap & Trade.

19 The man is running one of the bluest disaster zone states in the nation.  Levin is telling the plumber to stop fixing the cesspool so he can focus on install a sprinkler system.

Priorities.

20

I like Levin at times but a little of him can go a long way, especially lately.  He turning into a marginally more respectable Michael Savage.

Ironic since they both hate each other.  They kinda hate everyone though.  Levin more so lately.

21 I think that the problem with Mark Levin and his type is that they buy into the notion that the Presidency and congress mean everything.  Therefore, they get an "all or nothing" mentality when it comes to ideology.  The real fight should be to elect the most conservative candidates for state office, and build up the power and influence of governers to challenge the federal government on issues like health care and education.  You can have a Democratic Congress and a Democrat in the White House, but if you have 35 Republican governers filing a lawsuit everytime you try to step outside the constitutional bounderies and declaring that they can handle the problem without Federal involvement, then the Dem agenda isn't going to go anywhere.

22 RINO!!11!1

23 It isn't just the immigration thing Ace. You should, you know actually listen to him before you make a judgement, buttercup. His main beef with Christie is that Christie refuses to join other states in suing the feds over Obamacare. Sure, Christie is great on some of the fiscal stuff, but when it comes to social or semi-social issues he is a squish at best. But, you would know that if you listened to his show because Levin has laid it out. Also, he hasn't called for a purge of Christie, just says he is suspicious. His show is free. You might learn something, buttercup.

24 It is true that Christie is weak on immigration. It's also true that he hasn't campaigned for a Tea Party candidate.

And I don't like that he supports Crap and Tax.

Does that mean I don't want to carry his pudding cups?  Well, of course not!  He's the right guy for the state of NJ, and I'd daresay he'd improve the situation of other financial basketcase states such as Cali and much of the NE corridor. 

25 Simple . Do not bake him a pie .

26 Didn't he also support Mike Castle and the Victory mosque?

27 Why do you fill me up, buttercup? That's not a gay joke or nothin'.

28 I think we're going to see a lot more of this from the "pundit class" as the new faces show up all over the political scene. Lots of rice bowls being broken all over the place...

29 It's the shouting... I just get tired of the shouting all the time.  He makes Michael Savage sound like an NPR host."

Heh.  I haven't seen Savage since he was on MSNBC.  MSNBC!  Those were the days.

Levin is the poster child for marijuana legalization.  Chiiillllllll, maaaaaaaann!!!!!

30

i like Levin, i think He's wrong about christie.

 it's nj guy.

31


His show is free. You might learn something, buttercup.


Not when you add up the brain cells killed or damaged.

32 Okay, I looked it up. It's BUILD me up, buttercup. I suck.

33 Hmmmm... Christie... Levin...

There's a cage match I'd Pay-Per-View.

And I have never Pay-Per-Viewed.

Mostly.

34

But DeMint, for all of his conservative creds, just isn't (I hate to say it) Presidential-looking.  Like it or not, a person who runs for the top spot has to be easy on the eyes and/or someone that people feel comfortable having in their living room.

There aren't many of those around - Palin and Christie both fit the description, as do Romney and Mike Pence.  Another one who hasn't been mentioned much is Rick Perry (don't know if he's considering it, either).  There may be others, but at the moment I can't conjure up their images.

And as much as we may like throwing out names of Congresscritters for possible 2012 runs, the fact is that most of the best presidents have executive experience; very few long-term legislators have that. 

35
Instead of listening to Mark Levin, I prefer to watch S E Cupp and her bouncing betty's!

36 The only immigration issue Christie has to worry about is that over the East River.
Until the Rio Grande moves to Trenton, its not a big deal.

And there are other fish to fry, even in border states.

37
the Lefty blabbers have done it again!

They renamed The Pledge To America to...

The Pledge To Finish Off America!

hahahahha, aren't they a hoot?

38 Heh.  I haven't seen Savage since he was on MSNBC.  MSNBC!  Those were the days. Wasn't it ONE day? Or maybe two or three weekends at most before they canned him?

39 I can't stand Hannity for that exact reason.

(cue "great american" guy, cue "great american" guy . . . )

Posted by: s'moron at September 23, 2010 07:38 PM (UaxA0)

It's the repetition.  I just can't stand the word-for-word, item list by item list, constant repetition. 

40

_{*takes a big ol' hit from a helium balloon*}

"Get offa my phone, ya moron!"

I agree when Levin's on, he's pretty good. Like explaining the law and such. But most of the time, he reminds me of BO'R when he cherry picks his callers to hawk his books.

41

wait, ace, so you're "bitching and moaning" about someone else's "bitching and moaning"?? ...

pot and kettle.

levin's point is that we need to keep our powder dry about who we pre-judge as "presidential material".

furthermore, these people who are saying that levin and hannity suck are also saying we all need to get along? ...

pot and kettle, redux.

42

He's really getting on my last nerve with his Endless Purge act.

Oh good, its not just me.  The man is really sharp and i like him but the constant bitching, especially about Glen Beck is really putting me off.  Levin needs to take a step back and keep in the mind that the founding fathers didn't all get along and agree on everything either, but still made significant contributions.   

43 Wouldn't it be great if Mark Stein took over permanently for Rush?  Frankly, Rush hasn't really been at the top of his game for years now, and Stein... ah, Stein is funny,  Stein is witty... "Your undocumented guest host!"  You gotta love a guy that says that.

44

26 Didn't he also support Mike Castle and the Victory mosque?



No.

somebody else laid it out in the CC thread already. 

He's not sniping at O'Donnell now (big deal about "supporting" castle, I did so after I heard about the ISI suit, because I'm a hard right con, and ISI is a great group, but I'm 100% behind O'D now (i wish)), and CC never "supported" the mosque.

Either refute it or stop with teh suck ass innuendos, Spank.

45 I think that the problem with Mark Levin and his type is that they buy into the notion that the Presidency and congress mean everything. Posted by: Alex at September 23, 2010 07:39 PM (K9+WM) You don't listen to Levin, do you? Levin is all about the Constitution and the founding principles. Christie supported a big government RINO and Levin called him out for it. Christie took the cynical root to picking up a seat and placed that ahead of principles. So, you kind of have it ass backwards.

46 I don't listen to Levin and I do like much of what CC Rider says/does.  But, I agree with Tino at #5...amnesty is a deal-breaker. 


Now, if CC Rider wants to really work this weakness into a strength, he can, when appropriate, lay out a very specific (I know, Ace, specifics kill) plan detailing a strict, iron-clad, we'll show you we're serious, borders first steps.  And then he can detail some very strong, non-squishey, benchmarks those already here must pass before any consideration of citizenship.  Real penalties for breaking the law to come here in the first place, real requirements for consideration, and real steps to be taken to stay.

He could then discuss a step-up effort to deport those undesirables such as gang-bangers, multiple-arrest offenders, etc. 

He could then discuss preventing this entire fiasco from repeating itself in the future through a series of reform steps, including changing the anchor baby provision. 

Then, he might change so minds, including mine.  He might not, but it's his only chance, IMO.  And it would allow him to lead....and this issue begs for leadership. 

47

"He's really getting on my last nerve with his Endless Purge act"

Ace, I was listening to Levin on my commute home, had to shut the damn radio off.

Completely agree with you on this one.  Levin was getting on my last nerve as well with his speech against Christie.

48

We really need some better conservative talkers.  Hannity, Levin, Savage, Beck... is Rush the only one who can make it without being either dim-witted (Hannity), obnoxious (Levin, Savage) or just plain weird (Beck)?

I agree with all of them more frequently than I disagree with them, but I can only take any of them in limited doses.

49 It's his gun control stance that worries me, but right now....I love ol' Big Boy.

50 35
Instead of listening to Mark Levin, I prefer to watch S E Cupp and her bouncing betty's!

Posted by: Fish at September 23, 2010 07:43 PM (v1gw3)

I think her name stands for Super E-sized Cup Puppies.  Woof!

51 Levin has done more for the conservative movement than anyone here. Far as I can tell, Christie is good on basically one issue and that is scaling back pensions and government spending. Very important and needed to be sure, but we need more that just that in a NATIONAL leader. What good is cutting pensions if the border remains unsecure and Illegals swamp the system? Stating your opinions and showing how you disagree with Chris Christie, or anyone else is not a PURGE ACT.

52

It's the repetition.  I just can't stand the word-for-word, item list by item list, constant repetition. 

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 23, 2010 07:44 PM (tJjm/)

The Obama Mania Media!

Pull my string again....

She said America is a downright mean country....

Pull my string again....

I own a Cadillac Escalade Hybrid

 

53
It's not a purge. It's a push.

It's merely a nudge to get everyone to move to the right.

54

You don't listen to Levin, do you? Levin is all about the Constitution and the founding principles. Christie supported a big government RINO and Levin called him out for it.

Christie took the cynical root to picking up a seat and placed that ahead of principles. So, you kind of have it ass backwards.

Yeah!  Let's show 'em!  From now on, only nominate rock solid conservatives that Mark Levin can be proud of, even in blue northeastern states!  When they lose, we can always just blame the media and establishment RINOs.

Besides, who cares if Dems end up controlling both houses of Congress?  What's the worst that can happen?  It's not like they'll go and drive the country into bankruptcy or socialize health care.  Oh, wait...

55 Hey s'moron, fuck you, I was asking a question or didn't you see the question mark? You want innuendo? If I ever meet you I'll "discuss" you're fucking idiotic behavior.

56 Yeah, Levin yells a lot, but he doesn't do it all the time. Hannity speaks at the same decibel level throughout his entire show. I find him a lot harder to listen to for that reason. I generally like Christie, but if he's in favor of cap & trade, then that's a serious problem.

57 52

It's the repetition.  I just can't stand the word-for-word, item list by item list, constant repetition. 

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 23, 2010 07:44 PM (tJjm/)

The Obama Mania Media!

Pull my string again....

She said America is a downright mean country....

Pull my string again....

I own a Cadillac Escalade Hybrid

 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 23, 2010 07:48 PM (A0VTZ)

Pull my string again....

Let your heart not be <b>*BANG!*</b>

THUD

58 I'm convinced some of these guys don't really want to have a majority.  See, I think the challenges are serious enough that I can find room for Chris F. Christie.  In New Jersey for sure.  Possibly beyond.  But I think some people are more than happy to keep arguing how their ideas would work in theory, and rant against those that aren't 100% pure vs. having some amount of power and having to deal with RINO's like Chris F. Christie.

59

In Delaware, Christine O'Donnell received 30,563 votes in the Republican primary, 3,542 votes more than Mike Castle. In Alaska, Joe Miller won 55,878 votes for a margin of 2,006 over Lisa Murkowski.

Do the math. For weeks now, our national political conversation has been driven by 86,441 voters and a margin of 5,548 votes. A bit of perspective: When John McCain lost in 2008, he received 59.9 million votes.

Rand Paul received 206,986 votes in Kentucky, where there are more than 1 million registered Republicans and nearly 2.9 million registered voters. Sharron Angle won with 70,452 votes in Nevada, a state with more than 1 million registered voters.

SO BIG FUCKING DEAL ABOUT THE TEA PARTY. MARK LEVIN CAN SUCK A BIG DONG.

If the tea party wanted to form their own party, that would be great. But they want to come to your house, act like an asshole, drink your booze and fuck your wife. This is not a grassroots volunteer base who wants to help the GOP win. This is a minority of unruly fascists who insist on a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.

Look who they've chosen as their standard bearers. A virulently racist and wealthy real estate developer who has dumped tens of thousands on the NY Democratic party and made a small fortune through contracts to lease state offices, and who has no  plan but a bunch of slogans and sophomoric taunts. A middle aged Jesus freak who has never held a job, holds homosexuals in contempt, has a library of nutty interviews, is paranoid and is a pathological liar, and has no record by which to take her at her word when she promises real conservative CHANGE. Conservatives mocked Obama for much less.

60

61

Face it...if Levin's talking points and rhetoric weren't conservative, you'd swear he was a lefty.  Bitchy, smarmy, snarky, fingernails on chalkboard voice, self-absorbed.....

I've tried to like the guy but he's totally unlistenable.

62

we have a very diverse group of republicans /libertarians Beck- strange not always right on the money, but heck he's a commited showman, -some come off harsh- Levin. , some softies- hannity, some squishy- o'reilly. some dryly sarcastic- dennis miller, some firm, little egotists-savage. and of course Rush, the guy my mum would listen too. They all bring something for us, drag us along at times when we hide under our beds, or need us to calm down and make a plan. I'm grateful to them all, wierd or strangely different as they seem to me. But i'm not an old time gop member.

btw dennis miller is more my particular taste-bud buddy

63 Levin serves a great purpose, and I loved his book. However, he is a whiner. Love Savage too, be he is also a whiner. It seems to be a little bit of ego issues with these guys. All of them perform a valuable service, and they help carve out their own niche. But infighting among conservative voices serves absolutely no good in the long run. Christ, Hannity won't even mention Beck.

64
I dunno.

Wickets grammar is too good. Maybe he needs to spell more like those retarded lolcats. Might increase the funny.

65 11 Hey, ace? Clean-up needed at post 461 on the Chris Christie video thread. 
http://minx.cc/  ?blog=86&post=306063#c10949247

Posted by: Mary in LA at September 23, 2010 07:37 PM (JYxmy)

That info his online just by searching his name and neighbourhood.  Any moron who wanted to harass that Ed Buck guy could find it easily.  That said, don't call him and harass him.  He obviously has enough problems in his life.

66

Beck had his rant against Scott Brown after he won, about those playgirl photos.

Yes, I disagreed with some of Brown's votes, but that 41th vote has prevented a whole lot of additional nonsense.  And I will be donating to his campaign again for 2012.

Beck is really getting annoying with his self-adulation.

67

If I ever meet you I'll "discuss" you're fucking idiotic behavior.



OOOOOOOHHHH, Tough guy.

Forget that we agree on about 90% of everything, just posture on teh internets some more, Rambo. 

68

levin's point is that we need to keep our powder dry about who we pre-judge as "presidential material".

Yeah, Levin said point blank that people need to get full information about pols positions before shouting presidential candidate based on some great youtube videos, and he is right.  Remember how everyone was saying Brown for president the second he took the swimmer's seat?

69

Levin has done more for the conservative movement than anyone here. Far as I can tell, Christie is good on basically one issue and that is scaling back pensions and government spending. Very important and needed to be sure, but we need more that just that in a NATIONAL leader. What good is cutting pensions if the border remains unsecure and Illegals swamp the system?

Stating your opinions and showing how you disagree with Chris Christie, or anyone else is not a PURGE ACT.

Christie isn't a national leader, didn't run as one, and as far as I know doesn't represent himself as one.  He's a governor.  Of a blue state far removed from the Mexican border.  Given that he has almost no ability to help secure the border, why bother criticizing him over it?

70 I haven't listened to him since early 2009 (scheduling, not personal dislike), but between now and then he seems to have gone off the rails a bit.

71 I did hear some shit about him being for the whole global warming crap. Something about his wife being big in it. Anyone know for sure?

Doesn't look like his wife is into healthy cooking though. That is cool, cause I don't care what peeps tell me to eat, my body you ass wipes. So what I like to order 2 big macs, large fry, apple pie and a large diet coke.

72 Bitchy, smarmy, snarky, fingernails on chalkboard voice, self-absorbed.....

You rang?

73
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Tough fucking shit.

74 >>You don't listen to Levin, do you? Levin is all about the Constitution and the founding principles. Christie supported a big government RINO and Levin called him out for it. You know the big difference between Levin and Christie? Christie has a job where he actually has to produce, Levin just talks. It's easy to just spew holier than thou shit day after day without ever having to go through the messy process of accomplishing anything other than ratings or book sales. What Christie has already accomplished in a very blue state that is as corrupt and union controlled as the day is long is remarkable. Levin might want to think about that before he starts ripping guys who are actually in the fight on our side.

75 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 07:53 PM (mHQ7T)

Bullshit!

76

I've heard Christie, he was on Cavuto's show a few months again and said he is not in favor of an energy tax via the cap n tax bill

77 Some people need to show that they're unimpressed with everything. Christie? Hah! Let me tell you about Christie.

78 Levin is right that Christie is probably moderate to squishy on non budgetary issues. The thing is though that right now Christie is kicking ass on the most important issue and doing it in a way that is so articulate and straight forward that it is completely mesmerizing. His appearance on CNBC a couple of days ago was as good as anything I have ever heard on the fiscally insane situation liberalism has put us in.

79 58...Dave, you're right...lots of us see what the majority did for us during Ws terms.  DeMint is crystal clear on this point and I'm tired and scared enough of how things have been and where they are going to buy into the purity line of thought (though I'm predisposed to that anyway).


We may be wrong, but I know the way it's been is wrong. 

80 Hey - don't you know how many times Obama mentioned me by name during the campaign?

81 If Chris Christie is for Cap & Trade, then he's just an idiot. For abortion, I don't care long as I don't pay for them. For gay marriage, I could care less. For Cap & Trade though, forget about it.

82 I'm convinced some of these guys don't really want to have a majority.

Of course not, because Mark Levin sells more books and has more listeners when people are ANGRY and AFRAID. Same for Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin and Jim DeMint (who are building up their PAC money and followers for a presidential run), Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Y'all been rolled.

83 I'm listening to Levin right now. Pretty entertaining as usual. I do wish he'd move on from Delaware, though. The New Black Panther case used to be a big topic for him, he should be on that tonight.
Screw it, Big Bang Theory is on.

84 I've been seeing some Netflix ads here on AoS. Not to deny Ace any of that crazy blog monay, but here is a doozy from Netflix CEO Reed "I'm For the Common Man" Hastings: THR: Are you concerned that American Netflix subscribers will look north and ask for the same discount Canadians get at $7.99? Hastings: How much has it been your experience that Americans follow what happens in the world? It's something we'll monitor, but Americans are somewhat self-absorbed. Oh - and he's from Bahstahn.

85 the purity committee is getting really fucking obnoxious and one fucking note and I'd appreciate it if you all took a big sock, filled it with lesser socks, and stuck in your mouths. I am sick of hearing about your fucking ideals and integrity all fucking day. Shut. The Fuck. Up. We got it the first six hundred and fifty billion times. How many times are the pretty birds going to sing the same pretty fucking song? Get over yourselves already.

86

Beck is really getting annoying with his self-adulation.

Why, that is so mean, I think *sob* I'm just going to *sniff!* cry!

87 New Ad

88

63.  All of them perform a valuable service, and they help carve out their own niche. But infighting among conservative voices serves absolutely no good in the long run.

You said it much better than I did. 

89 If the tea party wanted to form their own party, that would be great. But they want to come to your house, act like an asshole, drink your booze and fuck your wife. This is not a grassroots volunteer base who wants to help the GOP win. As a Tea Partier that has volunteered a couple hundred hours for Republican candidates this year, I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself. This is a minority of unruly fascists who insist on a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. WTF?

90 SMall government crusader Christie endorses BIG GOVERNMENT LIBERAL CASTLE! WOW, im impressed!

91 ugh. pardon my outburst. I just can't take the same cant thrown at me 300 times a week. How much is enough? I got it, I got it. We all got it.

92 Doesn't look like his wife is into healthy cooking though.

This actually bothers me a little bit. John Candy, Chris Farley, Victor Buono, etc.

93 I just listened to Levin for five minutes, and he irritated me immensely. he was pompous and nasty and overbearing with the two callers I heard, one of whom was agreeing with him, and one of whom was a democrat who never even got to say anything. Levin mocked him nonsensically and then hung up.

And anyone who allows himself to be called "the great one" is too arrogant by a large margin.

What a fucking jerk.

94 I always get Chris Christie and Charlie Crist confused.  I hope the Bad One loses this November so I won't get so confused so often (about this, at least).

95 Nobody is perfect and Christie certainly isn't.He's too much of a Northeast squishto run for national office,like Rudy.He's doing a great job in NJ.

96 Who fucking cares about what someone thinks about Christie? He is the governor of New Jersey. He needs to stay there because they need him. He's not ready for national office. Let him stay in Jersey and leave him the fuck alone.

97

Christie has a job where he actually has to produce, Levin just talks.

Cough, Landmark Legal Foundation.

98 while i don't always agree with Tatoo,  I'm  agree with not being thilled with Paladino (if that is who he's speaking of) the emails really stink.

99
But they want to come to your house, act like an asshole, drink your booze and fuck your wife.
That's every Thursday, right?

100 Right, we need more Christine O'Donnell's and less Chris Christie's in the NorthEast..... Splashhhhh.... That's the sound of Mark Levin jumping the shark.

101 flame war comin'...........

getcher popcorn right here !! !!!!111!!!!

102 Tough fucking shit.

Posted by: the chief AoS inquisitor at September 23, 2010 07:55 PM (Fe3ZO)

O'Donnell will lose. Paladino will lose. Miller and Angle might even lose. And you'll be stuck with a Democratic majority and a second term for Obama. Anger doesn't solve shit. The tea party is playing checkers while Democrats are playing chess. You've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

103

"Christie is good on basically one issue and that is scaling back pensions and government spending"

That is basically the main issue, the economy and limited govt as adhered to in the constitution, the tea party is not about social issues, there is a reason there are many indies and even dems who support the Tea Party for those reasons alone.

normally Levin is good to listen to for consitutional tutorials, but when he goes off on his rants, its very hard to listen to that.

I like christie, he actually has a job to do straightning NJ, Levin is a radio talk show host, he can rant all he wants, but Christie actually has to do a job of turning a state around, which is much harder than just talking about it.

104 Mark Levin?  Never heard of 'em.

105

This is why we lose.  The Dems unify under one banner and devote themselves to the singular goal of destroying the opposition.

We constantly destroy ourselves from the inside because we always find the need to play the "Who's a more pure conservative game"...

We get caught up the game, especially the politicians, and slowly, any gains we make, like 1994....slowly whittle away.

Pisses me off.

106 >>>nobody is perfect and Christie certainly isn't.He's too much of a Northeast squishto run for national office yeah probably. I don't like his squishing on immigration and squooshing on the GZ Mosque. That said, he really swore up and down he ain't running. I know there are counter-indicators, like him campaigning across the country. And losing weight. Supposedly. I don't know, still looks fat to me.

107 Mark Levin is a great American!

108

Call me a Rino, but I prefer the Medved, Bennett, Prager, and yeah even boring ole Hugh "The Mittens Lover" Hewitt's style over the Savage/ Levin scream fest.

The latter can be damn entertaining though, and even insightful, especially when they take a valium.

109 I just can't take the same cant thrown at me 300 times a week. How much is enough?
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 07:59 PM (KUUXH)

Well, if it's attached to Kate Perry, quite a few more wouldn't hurt, ace.

110 Levin is out of control. Dan Riehl is right behind him, but Riehl has youth as an excuse.

111 If Christie sucks on the Second Amendment (I haven't seen the issue fully hashed out yet) that is a SEVERE problem.  Presidents appoint Justices.  I couldn't vote for him for Pres if that's true. 

I also hate what I'm hearing about his being weak on immigration.  2A and immigration enforcement are my #1 and #2 issues.  It sucks because his persona and commitment to fiscal conservatism are just magnificent. 

Put it this way: as long as he doesn't want to be Pres, I'm a fan.  Dude could make a great Cabinet member for a future GOP Pres and is an awesome enforcer /poster guy for budget balancing.

PS: Let me also stress that my reservations about Christie sure aren't a result of M. Levin saying about him, con or pro. 

112 Don't get on Levin's case too hard.  Many people like him for the fact that he's gotten a lot of the "independents" off their collective asses and have gotten them fired up and involved in conservative politics.  He can be grating, I agree.  But let's not be doing the very same thing that we're accusing him of doing.  He's on our side.  I'd like to see some of the people commenting here try doing as much for conservatism as Levin has.

113

What purity committee?

Ace, what's your act? You make these posts as bait and you know it. You're looking for an argument.

And stop fucking lying and exaggerating like you're talking to some fucking asshole. I'm fucking sick of it.

okay, now here's the part where you insult me and tell me to go away. You pick these fights and then you act like a fucking cunt. So go ahead. But I'm leaving so I won't have to read your bullshit BECAUSE I'VE READ IT A HUNDRED TIMES BEFORE.

114

Call me a Rino, but I prefer the Medved, Bennett, Prager, and yeah even boring ole Hugh "The Mittens Lover" Hewitt's style over the Savage/ Levin scream fest.

Prager is great.  One of my faves.

115 OT, Jimmy Carter says Palin should not run for POTUS. So, that pretty much means she will run LOL. Great advice for anyone...Do the opposite of whatever Jimmy Carter says!

116 Didn't he also support Mike Castle and the Victory mosque?

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 23, 2010 07:40 PM (xtAfO)

Didn't most conservatives say the mosque builders technically had the right to build on their own property?

117

We really need some better conservative talkers.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 23, 2010 07:46 PM (plsiE)

Well, I like Dennis Prager a lot.

118 #104  I like christie, he actually has a job to do straightning NJ, Levin is a radio talk show host, he can rant all he wants, but Christie actually has to do a job of turning a state around, which is much harder than just talking about it.

+ 1 million. 

119 Wasn't it ONE day? Or maybe two or three weekends at most before they canned him?

Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at September 23, 2010 07:44 PM (BZ2Bm)

Mmmmm, I think he last almost 13 weeks, but it was a Saturday afternoon show, low rated and that was...ppfffttt, years ago!  I could look it up but Big Bang Theory is on.

120

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 08:01 PM (mHQ7T)

You make a great case, some of it I endorse wholeheartedly, but you really want to include Miller in that?  To me he is a perfect TP candidate. 

121 I don't know, still looks fat to me.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:02 PM (KUUXH)

I guess if he runs on a Huckabee/Christie ticket, the GOP can rightfully say they nominated a couple of real heavyweights.

122 Off, weeping sockpuppet!

123 Christie took the cynical root to picking up a seat and placed that ahead of principles. So, you kind of have it ass backwards.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at September 23, 2010 07:45 PM (QBQcg)

Shouldn't that be "Old grizzled gym coach with Alzheimers?"

You are woefully ignorant of the facts. Perhaps you should stick to peering at the little boys in the locker room and jerking off.

124 Update your material, dude. I know you have hours to waste every day but there's a lot more to talk about.

Sure purge Cristie as being too liberal for New Jersey?
Then you might as well Purge Brown too.
You can also purge me B/C I am way more libertarian than I am conservative, and we's knows how the big Mark hates libertarians.
While we are at it we can purge all who support gay marriage,
All who are pro choice.
All atheists.
All fiscally liberal social cons.
All socially liberal fiscal cons.
All Neo-cons...
And on and on and on.

We can be. The party of ONE!
That one: Mark Levine.


Politics is a rough sport. Purity = Minority. There is always geographic disparity, You shift public opinion to the right and left gradually. And you won't shift anything unless you can put some soft conservatives in some liberal areas and let the people see how cool the real world results of conservatism is.

Levine should have learned you can't shock shift people. They reject it, and you, al-la Obama and Pelosi regime.

Levine has become the Allah Pundit antithesis, one unable to think even in the smallest practical manner and admit not all things are possible and compromises have to be made, the other not understanding that you can't compromise all the time and accomplish anything.

Christie is a good campaigner for Meg, why? Because California is buggered the same way NJ is/was. And Cristie could run for governor in the state right now and win.

125 That's every Thursday, right?

Posted by: Mr T Partay at September 23, 2010 08:01 PM (rMMMP)

Who the fuck do I look like... John Boehner?

126 Here is a thought.. STFU until after November... too much to ask?

127

Prager is great.  One of my faves.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2010 08:03 PM (zgZzy

You are lucky you get him in Philly.  I haven't found a Salem guy yet.

128 he's gotten a lot of the "independents" off their collective asses and have gotten them fired up and involved in conservative politics.

You're kidding. Levin has actually persuaded people to change? I thought he was someone that only an already-convinced person could even listen to.

129


You are a fucking dink, you know that? You put up this stupid post for bait and then you insult us for making comments you don't agree with.


Have fun with your ass kissers, Charles Johnson Jr.

130 hmmm. what rude and disgusting thing can I say about Levin to get this thread pulled.... damn... all are offensive but everyone will agree...

Levin is a tough listen...

131 #122  I guess if he runs on a Huckabee/Christie ticket, the GOP can rightfully say they nominated a couple of real heavyweights.

How dare you link the awesomeness that is Christie with Fuckabee? 

Christie is the Big Man on Campus; Fuckabee is just a fat fool.

132 midol room alert!

133 >>>Ace, what's your act? You make these posts as bait and you know it. You're looking for an argument. My act is that I'm sick of Mark Levin and the rest of the purity committee. I thought that was obvious. I don't know if I'm looking for an argument so much as I am becoming exasperated at hearing the same dudes beat their chests in precisely the same way every single day of my miserable life. We got it. You're fucking awesome. You're two quarter pound patties of 100% awesome with awesome sauce. Do you get it? It's just kind of insulting, okay? The basic meme being expressed here has nothing to do with politics, but is this constant aggressively passive-aggressive game of conservative dick-measuring. And I'm tired of it. Please, I don't want to hear how awesome is anymore, okay? Everyone's awesome. We're all awesome, so we can all agree to be awesome together and stop with the constant awesome-proclamations.

134 He's not running for president, relax. Let's just enjoy what he's doing now rather than get all worked up because apparently he falls short of conservative god status. what he has done by standing up to the unions and teachers in a democratic stronghold is nothing short of a bellweather event.

135 Ace, I'll keep your dislike for purges uppermost in mind. Uppermost.

If you be conservatism, I be against.

136 I love levin.   Hey, someone has to get on Christie's case....look what happens when no one is willing to challenge you....(1600 PA Avenue)

137 Yes, Chris Christie.  The one to watch!

138 amen Soona at 112

139 >>>Have fun with your ass kissers, Charles Johnson Jr. So I can ban you? Because you bore me. But I also don't want drama over it. So is it a voluntary ban? Or will there be drama?

140 I always get Chris Christie and Charlie Crist confused.

Yea then add Christine O'Donnell to the mix. Chris Christ Christine Charlie.... shit damn what the hell we need some Gilligans and Skippers

Oh you guys see page 1732 of Obamacare makes it mandatory for every kid to have the middle name Barry. Plus I found out today that Iwearadinnerjacket's middle name is Barry.

141 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 07:53 PM (mHQ7T)

I've read your posts for quite a long time, and you are either depressed or in a fucked up mood today. Your playing concern troll tonight. All of those names you mentioned will probably win with the possible exception of O'donnell and Palladino. Have a drink and calm down.

142 But DeMint, for all of his conservative creds

Jim DeMint and his 30 virgins is as big a phony as these radical imams telling people to blow themselves up for the cause, and he looks like Gargamel.

143 yeah probably. I don't like his squishing on immigration and squooshing on the GZ Mosque.

He might not be my #1 pick for nominee depending on who runs, but he would be a Godsend if he wins. He could at least back us away from the fiscal cliff, and give us more time to work on the social issues.

144 Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:07 PM (KUUXH)

They aren't saying the same thing day after day for you...

they are saying it for the dem base who can't resist listening and need four emails a day from the campaign to know what is expected of them

145 You're two quarter pound patties of 100% awesome with awesome sauce.

Actually, the special sauce on the Big Mac is bull semen.

That's been my little joke all these years.

146

We got it. You're fucking awesome. You're two quarter pound patties of 100% awesome with awesome sauce.

I'm sorry, but that line was full of win!

147

133.  midol room alert!

Plus its a full moon.  I'd say everyone enjoy an adult beverage, but that could start more fights.  probably better to spark up a fatty and pass around UNOPENED pudding cups when we all get the munchies.

148 Tattoo you are an idiot. WTF have you ever done since they canceled Fantasy Island anyhow.

149 5 Immigration is a deal breaker.

What does it matter if we win in 2012, if the Democrats are allowed to permanently alter the demographics of the country and guarantee themselves a permanent majority?

Posted by: Tino at September 23, 2010 07:34 PM (CbmBR)

QFT!

150 141 I always get Chris Christie and Charlie Crist confused.

Me too.

151

"he's gotten a lot of the "independents" off their collective asses and have gotten them fired up and involved in conservative politics. "

As an independent,  it was not Levin who did that, it was Palin, and it was only b/c I believe she is more libertarian than conservative.  Yes, she is a fiscal, defense..etc conservative, but as a liberatarian and a social liberal myself, I can support that. If she starts becoming preachy like Huckabee, harder to support that.

152 O'Donnell will lose. Paladino will lose. Miller and Angle might even lose. Funny words for someone saying that the Tea Party doesn't want to help the GOP. Those are the Republican candidates. If you can't support them, at least try the 11th commandment on for size.

153 Figures.

It's not enough to purge the party of RINOs, making it damn hard to have a majority, we also need to purge the party of the social cons and fiscal cons.

That's going to leave us with what, exactly? Ten senators?

I'm starting to think that the True Conservatives are old KGB sleeper agents.

Better to elect a marxist than a republican who is a squish on social issues and conservative on fiscal ones!

154 All of those names you mentioned will probably win with the possible exception of O'donnell and Palladino.

Don't be too sure. Plenty of other people have warned not to take your eye off the winnable fights to obsess on the longshots. We might even lose the races we thought were in the bag.

155 for crying out loud

156 Jim DeMint and his 30 virgins is as big a phony as these radical imams telling people to blow themselves up for the cause, and he looks like Gargamel.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 08:09 PM (mHQ7T)

Oh please.  I'm no purist but you are goin off the rails a bit.

157 People who aren't from the NE should understand what we are dealing with here.We are not going to get strong conservative candidates across the board elected here.The NE is anti handgun and pro abortion and there are lots of pro immigration elitist"conservatives" too.I don't like it but that's the wy it is.It's best to keep these NE guys in the NE and call it a win.I'm surprised Levin doesn't get it(I presume he is a NE guy).

158

I like Christie because so far he is doing what he said he was going to do. His views on guns and immigration which I disagree with were well known before his election. He won.

If he ever decides to run for president I worry about what i don't like about him then.

159 148 Plus its a full moon.

Aaahoo!!!  Werewolves of AoS!

160 Someone up the thread pointed out that Christie isn't perfect, but as long as he isn't running for national office, who gives a shit. Excellent point.

And I live in NJ and will put my conservative bona fides up against anyone's, except for those asshole purity fucks, who are, of course, the most magnificent conservatives on the planet, and will perpetually be in the wilderness because they are so fucking clueless as to the real world.

161 Okay, Tatoo you're fucking wrong. DeMint is the reason for the upswing in conservatism just like Palin and just like Obama, (for the wrong reasons, and right reasons for us.)

162 Now it look like Lazio in New York is going to run as a spoiler on the Conservative Party line after having his (perpetually losing) ass handed to him by Paladino.

RINO's suck.  Can't say it often enuff.  RINO's suck.

163 Well I'm off to work.  I'll be listening to Mark all the way and thinking of all the people on AofS who thought Mike Castle was a good choice.

164 164 What a prick.

165 no, I don't want to ban you, and I'm not going to. You just pissed me off with the Charles Johnson Jr. crap. Whatever. We're on the verge of the most conservative government in... I don't even know since when, and some people just want to stew in negativity and venom. This is just bringing me down. there's always some internal enemy, always some reason to bitch and call people out and split the party. It's really grating on those of us who don't particularly enjoy these constant internecine battles. Some people seem to have a real taste for them, and in fact seem to like nothing better. For many of us, it is draining.

166 Aaahoo!!!  Werewolves of AoS!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 23, 2010 08:12 PM (c0A3e)

I'll spread some newspaper...

167 I don't listen to Levin much but I do like me some Chris Christie.  Probably one of the best Republican's out there.

Posted by: CDR M at September 23, 2010 08:12 PM (5I8G0)

I always knew you were a RINO.  I wish I was in your FFL so I could beat a RINO, then call Mark Levin and brag about how I beat a RINO.

RINO.

168

didn't lazio run against Hillary?  Do they people have nothing better to do that just run for office all the time?

if they are that addicted to power, just go on a secluded island, and declare yourself king of that island!

169 166 164 What a prick.

Posted by: steevy at September 23, 2010 08:14 PM (HYkZm)

Did I mention RINO's suck?

170 Wait. Christie supports Cap and Tax? WTF?

171 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 07:53 PM (mHQ7T)

Put down the paint filled paper bag and get some fresh air.

172 OMG you guys...a video of a bunch of homosexuals fighting like girls

173 I'm just excited that the Everything is Awesome blog is going to get started again.  Now with awesome sauce!

174

For many of us, it is draining.

Maybe the morons need a short fap break, to restock your vital juices.

/ducks and runnnnnsssssss

175 Fuck Mark Levin.

176 chris christie is perfect for nj

177 The ultra purity people are nuts but tattoo is nuts too.We are going to win,and win big.

178 Some people would be content wearing a blindfold and walking out to the firing squad PROUD that "at least I never compromised!" Stupid, stupid, stupid. Christie actually DOES what we wish Ahnold would- stand up to the unions and tell them to go fuck themselves, and then say "btw lol youll love me for this!" He's right in both actions. And he is a man of ACTION. Which is why he is always being interviewed on multiple networks- they may loathe him but he refuses to back down. There is a sense of respect in that and hes the only Republican I have ever seen make that blond bitch on Morning Joe totally speechless.

179 And I live in NJ and will put my conservative bona fides up against anyone's, except for those asshole purity fucks, who are, of course, the most magnificent conservatives on the planet, and will perpetually be in the wilderness because they are so fucking clueless as to the real world.

Testify, Brother Dildo!

180 Levin is just pissed that Beck draws a bigger crowd ...  Levin thought he was going to be the big man ...

181

Levin seems power-drunk - which makes him a serious power light-weight, the kind of guy who throws up on his shoes after like two cans of 3.5% power. 

He has the weird idea that we all need some sort of ideological enforcer on the scene and that he's just the guy for the job.  His attack in the PowerLine guys revealed him to be both arrogant and stupid.  Besides, who the hell is he anyway, the pied piper of the low IQ end of the movement?  Let's see, Chris Christie or Mark Levin?  Hmmmmm.  Are you f----g kidding me?

182 177 Fuck Mark Levin.

Posted by: Sugar Ray Bradbury at September 23, 2010 08:16 PM (gzjhZ)

I'm so totally THERE!

183 #79 - I can see where that pertains to any number of races.  I can see where that applies in states like Fl, or SC, or NV.  I'm even agnostic about it in states where I weakly side with pragmatism, like DE or CA with Fiorina.  I can understand and fully respect voting for principle with O'Donnell or Devore or whoever. The thing I cannot stand is going after the sitting governor of a state like NEW JERSEY, where the governor is busting up the unions without regard for personal ramifications.   Let's not worry about his national ambitions yet.  So he endorsed Castle?  Get over it.  What has he said since? 

In a national primary I may not vote for him.   I know many of the check marks against him.  I also know that he is doing more for New Jersey than I would have expected him, or any elected politician,, to be able to do in that state.  I'm curious as to where many of the commenters are from.  I've lived in Democratic Illinois.  I've lived in deep red Alabama.  Now I live in a Democratic slice of Missouri.  I usually don't have an (R) to vote for in my house district and this time I have a Paultard I will vote for as a token protest vote.  Do people understand how jazzed NJ republicans must be to have Chris Christie in office right now?  Do they really need to have to listen to Mark Levin bitch and moan about how he isn't good enough for him?

184 178 Exactly.The other stuff only becomes an issue IF he runs for national office.

185 @ 4 Some people aren't happy unless we're a small, out-of-power group railing against the corrupt establishment. They'd rather lose every time than win with a compromise.

See: Libertarians.

186

Well, I like Dennis Prager a lot.

Posted by: Mary in LA at September 23, 2010 08:03 PM

Prager makes more sense on his worst day than Rash Fatblob, Sean Hannity and Kermit-the-Rage-Boy-Frog Levin do, combined, on their best day.

In fact, the Terrible Trio spend too much time in a kind of three-way circle jerk: Fatblob just loooooves Levin (sometimes even devotes some time he could spend praising himself to pimp ol' "F. Lee Levin"), Levin can't bow deeply enough to Fatblob and seems to have a man-crush on Hannity, and Hannity sucks both their toes. Simultaneously.

I will give Levin one prop: he doesn't have washed-up hacks like Newt on his show every day.

But his absolutism and just plain unpleasant demeanor make him unlistenable for me.

187 This Mark Levin all the time.  He's a purist.  Even on mundane issues - there are none to Levin - you are with him or against him.

188

I would be willing to suffer some form of immigration reform if a President Chrisite could give us a budget surplus.

that is a sacrifice i would be willing to make.

I honestly believe that if we don't get spending under control, nothing else really matters.

189 Whatever. We're on the verge of the most conservative government in... I don't even know since when, and some people just want to stew in negativity and venom.

Timing is everything, so why pick on Christie now?  Sure, he's a YouTube sensation, but he's denied wanting to run for higher office so ripping on him just doesn't make any sense at this point.  Levin got majorly irritated when people criticize O'Donnell.  Perhaps he should live by the rules he sets for others.

190 Actually, I like all this fighting.  It's the way I've always imagined the Colonies being, in like 1773-1774. Broadsheets and manifestos and ideas hitting up against each other.  It gives me hope.

191

I'm so totally THERE!  Posted by: Barney Frank

Will there be tickle fighting?

192

Well, I like Dennis Prager a lot.

i do too. i see a lot of people don't like him and i don't know why. i am not 100 percent sure of all of his positions, but when i see him on tv, he is always calm, uses facts, and common sense.

193 What I don't fucking get is that we are winning in ways that cannot be comprehended. No one has predicted this. We are on possibly the same level as 1894. Yet, we whine about how far we need to go and how conservative we can be. Baby steps people, baby steps. Levin and Savage love the tea party, yet they whine because they are not getting the attention they deserve. We all want the same outcome yet we fight amongst ourselves about how far is enough. We're winning people, lighten the fuck up.

194 Chris Christie is full of awesome.

I think if he is for global warming, it's only to keep his wife happy. Gotta keep that putang happy.

195 Don't be too sure. Plenty of other people have warned not to take your eye off the winnable fights to obsess on the longshots. We might even lose the races we thought were in the bag.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 08:11 PM (mHQ7T)

If you are this depressed in the middle of a Republican Avalanche, you must be a barrel of laughs in normal elections. Why not wait and see what happens, its not like your worrying is going to help anything.

196 65, 92, 134

Ace...boobies...bacon???

I'm to the right of you on some stuff, but dude, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your blog, your writing talents, your snark, your ability to formulate a modern-day, street-worthy, argument and make it teh funneh.

Thanks for doing what you do...I'll be hitting the tip jar tonight. 

197 Conservatives ,in general,are argumentative.They have strong opinions and strongly stand by them(stubbornly).Running a conservative party is like herding cats.Liberals are easy to herd.

198

Ace we are weeks away, i know you must be frikken exhausted dealing with this 24/7. everyone will calm down.- hang in there, we all have opinions even if they aren't always accurate.

 It's a Verrrrry exciting time after the damn'd hell of last 2 1/2 years.but's is also mind fkn

199 >>Cough, Landmark Legal Foundation. You aren't really comparing launching a bunch of lawsuits, most that never see the light of day, with governing as a kick the door down fiscal conservative in one of the bluest states in the Union, are you? Have you seen how effectively Christie is actually running his state in the short time he has been in office? Christie has advanced the cause of fiscal conservative both within the state of NJ and nationally far more effectively in 1 year than Levin has in his decades of shouting.

200

Excellent point CAC.  Imagine how much we would have loved "Arnold The Terminator" to have Christie's attitude.

CC is the real deal while AS is an acting fugazi.

I'll worry about Christie's immigration when he runs for pres or senate.  Until then I'll be perfectly content to let him serve as an example of guts, balls, and resolve to other governors nationwide.

201 You know who else was a squish about illegal immigration?  Ronald Reagan.  Ronald Frickin Reagan was a RINO!!!!!

202 Don't be too sure. Plenty of other people have warned not to take your eye off the winnable fights to obsess on the longshots. We might even lose the races we thought were in the bag.

We might win races we thought were un-winnable. Ain't prophesying FUN and EASY? You can just MSU all day long and say "This or that MIGHT!" and be RIGHT!

FTR, I do believe that the nation is in a bet big or don't bother state. If we had the Congress of 2004 come in next year, they would not have the fortitude to do the necessary things to save us from economic ruin. And that collapse would lead to....Well let's just say the odds of having a free nation and a Constitution that protects rights on the other side are appalling.

Victory at the polls is useless if that doesn't translate into serious victory in the legislature. And your 11 dimensional chess strategy would likely be on about move 3 when the whole thing collapses rendering the entire game moot.

203 199 Keep that in mind at all times ace(if you read it).Our very independance of thought makes us tough to deal with.

204 Maybe the morons need a short fap break, to restock your vital juices. /ducks and runnnnnsssssss Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy Get back here! I need inspiration for fapping.

205 Chris Christie is the elected Thomas Sowell.  Levin is this ranting town cryer that draws an audience until he starts attacking his own audience.  I kind of wish he had a drinking problem so his regressions could be blamed on the fault.  Not that a drinking problem is a fault.

206 Actually, I like all this fighting.  It's the way I've always imagined the Colonies being, in like 1773-1774. Broadsheets and manifestos and ideas hitting up against each other.  It gives me hope.

Posted by: The Pricker! at September 23, 2010 08:18 PM (N74P0)

We need better writers. Those founders could rip your gizzard out with a phrase. "Purity Guys suck" versus "Rinos suck" lacks the funny.

207 203 You know what?Reagan was wrong on quite alot of things.(SACRILEDGE!)

208

Posted by: fluffy at the ready at September 23, 2010 08:21 PM (SwkdU)

I think we are on the cusp of discussing Kirsten Gillibrand's sweater puppies.

209 Some people seem to have a real taste for them, and in fact seem to like nothing better.

For many of us, it is draining.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:14 PM (KUUXH)

I hear ya Ace.  Eyes on the prize until November 2nd.  We can have our internal arguments when we are in the majority holding hearings and investigations into the criminal Obama admin.   We need to stop the Dems!!  All else can be secondary for now!

210

i do too. i see a lot of people don't like him and i don't know why. i am not 100 percent sure of all of his positions, but when i see him on tv, he is always calm, uses facts, and common sense.

Posted by: Ben at September 23, 2010 08:19 PM (DKV43)

Big time.  Prager rules.  He's great in town halls as well. Well read, well spoken, good debater.  Smart as hell, doesn't yell or treat his listeners like idiots.

Possibly the best talker in the country.

211

is Lazio really running again?  he will cost Paladino the governorship. I have solid dem relatives who will vote for Paladino, cannot stand Lazio.

So Lazio thinks he is that important to cost a repub governorship?  The man has been running for office, any NY office,  for over a decade now.

212 Conservatives ,in general,are argumentative.They have strong opinions and strongly stand by them(stubbornly).Running a conservative party is like herding cats.Liberals are easy to herd.

Posted by: steevy at September 23, 2010 08:20 PM (HYkZm)

THE HELL WE ARE! TAKE THAT BACK!!!!

213 I like Levin AND Christie-- THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID IT

214
Chris Christie is the same as the other republican schmucks.

Buy my book!

215  You know who else was a squish about illegal immigration?  Ronald Reagan.  Ronald Frickin Reagan was a RINO!!!!!

Posted by: fozzy at September 23, 2010 08:21 PM (lPLCj)

Ronald Reagan said that was one of his biggest mistakes as President.

216 Goddamn Ace, Your a fucking RINO yourself! Thanks for helping tear down the party! If I would have known you were an unprincipled, back stabbing piece of shit, I would have been hanging out with you a long time ago!

217 >>>Ace we are weeks away, i know you must be frikken exhausted dealing with this 24/7. everyone will calm down.- hang in there, we all have opinions even if they aren't always accurate. Oh it's me, I blew a fuse again. I'm tired and cranky. Sorry, ace of spades inquisitor and any other Levin fans. I just have a thin skin about negativity. I feel like I'm on the "purge" list myself (as do a lot of people I know) and this constant urge to purge is kind of making us feel unwelcome. It's not a very good political strategy, really.

218

We're gonna win big in November.  Will we win every race?  Probably not, but we'll win enough to take the House and make a serious dent in the Seante.  Rejoice, kids. 

And again, as Grand Moff Tarkin said, "This bickering is pointless."

219 I like Levin AND Christie-- THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID IT

Posted by: Ex-pat in Oz at September 23, 2010 08:25 PM (ezeiO)

Well, let me say this with all specificity. You are a great American.

220 213

is Lazio really running again?  he will cost Paladino the governorship. I have solid dem relatives who will vote for Paladino, cannot stand Lazio.

So Lazio thinks he is that important to cost a repub governorship?  The man has been running for office, any NY office,  for over a decade now.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at September 23, 2010 08:23 PM (ACkhT)

I heard him interviewed today on WABC and he was coy... didn't say he would refuse the Conservative line, and said he wanted to hear Palladino's "full program" before he would decide what he wants to do.

Maybe the host had the best take - Lazio is waiting for Palladino to disclose he loves to watch animal porn while bouncing his baby niece on his knees or something.

221 Sorry, I can't muster up the hate for Levin.  He's personally committed to lawsuits to reverse Øbamacare and the ridiculous vendetta against Arizona.

I don't agree with everything he says, but then again I don't even agree with my own wife all the time either.

Oh, and Tattoo who shat in your drawer this morning?

222

you know who i like  Levin, also Christie,  also McDonell. who else Sowell who else scott brown, also Sowel, and mm mm west,

what do they have in common?They listen to the people they represent.

 

223 The problem with Levin is that he has been in bitch-mode for so long that he can't seem to turn it off. Even constitution guiniuses need coaching and mentors too. He needs to broaden his horizon and stop drinking his own juice.

224 The problem with Levin is that he has been in bitch-mode for so long that he can't seem to turn it off. Even constitution geniuses need coaching and mentors too. He needs to broaden his horizon and stop drinking his own juice.

225 I don't like Christie for Nevada...

...but I damn sure love him for Jersey.

226 You know who I like?  Mel.  Fucking.  Gibson.

227 96 Nobody is perfect and Christie certainly isn't.He's too much of a Northeast squishto run for national office,like Rudy.He's doing a great job in NJ. Posted by: steevy at September 23, 2010 08:00 PM (HYkZm) Exactly! But that doesn't mean that there is no place for people like this on the national stage- to wit, in the (God willing) incoming Republican administration of 2013: OMB Director- Chris Christie Attorney General- Rudy Guiliani

228 So Christie is great on fiscal responsibility, not so much on immigration. He's a state governor. Sounds good to me. After he's finished straightening out New Jersey, maybe he can come to Michigan. Our current governor, and the democrat party nominee are both firm believers in fellating the unions. I'd give my eye teeth to have someone like Christie in Michigan.

229 I honestly sort of agree with Levin on Christie as regards national aspirations (which he might not even have). either get right with the conservative mainstream on the big ones or don't bother. I just sort of think that's (to me, anyway) obvious, and we don't really need to keep pushing loyalty oaths and chastity oaths and the like. Christie is what he is. He is a good governor. I don't really think I need to decide if he could be more than that. I don't really like sort of putting people down as RINOs *unless necessary.* That is, unless we're about to take a big step and have to decide if someone is conservatively orthodox enough for us.

230 Speaking of puppies, any good pictures of O'Donnell where you can at least see how she stacks?

231 215 I like Levin AND Christie-- THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID IT

Posted by: Ex-pat in Oz at September 23, 2010 08:25 PM (ezeiO)

--Ditto

232 @223: I don't "hate" Levin, logproff - in a lot of ways, I agree with him.  But he's sort of like really sour pickles.  You can only have a little at a time.  I wish he would stop with the yelling all the time.

233 My balls have a hankering for PuddingCon ad I'll be damned if that nasally tang tries to screw it up.

234 This is just bringing me down. there's always some internal enemy, always some reason to bitch and call people out and split the party.

It's really grating on those of us who don't particularly enjoy these constant internecine battles.

Some people seem to have a real taste for them, and in fact seem to like nothing better.

For many of us, it is draining.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:14 PM

Not sure if it's internecine battle, love that phrase by the way.  I think it's simply people who think they know the only way.  That they are the arbiters of what is, in this case, Conservatism.  This applies to most pundits and talk show hosts too, not just people who post on sites like this.  What's ironic is they are more than willing to alter their purity tests to fit the current star or issue that they decide to favor at that moment.  As for Levin, anyone who like to be called the Great One is well...an egotistical jerk.

235 Levin just as bad as the golfer.

236 Someone mentioned 1894. The odds of it are about 1 in 10 right now. That increases dramatically if we stop this puritanical AHA bullshit. We have an incredible bench coast to cast right now. The fact that some would rather nitpick the nipple ring color on the six-DDbreasted goddess of opportunity that bounces in front of us is just pathetic.

237

Ace dear, you are really a good egg. take the weekend off, watch movies or get out hang with mellow friends.  Everyone needs time to regroup energy. Your business is particulalrly stressful.

as someone said above herding cats all breeds.

238 As far as the Landmark Legal Foundation goes, it strikes me as a clever way for someone with opinions to live off donations and grants. In that way, it's like the Family Research Council, Focus on the Family and the various wacko groups set up by loons like Brent Bozell. Those, in turn, are like various lib "foundations" in everything but political beliefs.

All of them can say whatever the hell they want without having to face commercial disaster when they cross a line. They never worry about what upper management or stockholders think. Or, for that matter, voters.

239

Ronald Reagan said that was one of his biggest mistakes as President.

Posted by: Steph at September 23, 2010 08:26 PM (ZfkPl)

I know.  The point is that there is no such thing as a perfect politician. Chris Christie is kicking the shit out of the public employee unions in NJ and he still gets bitches like Levin who is supposed to be on our side complaining that he isn't perfect on this or that issue. 

240 I like Levin AND Christie-- THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID IT

Posted by: Ex-pat in Oz at September 23, 2010 08:25 PM (ezeiO)

What a puritanical RINO.  Pathetic.

241

And stop fucking lying and exaggerating like you're talking to some fucking asshole. I'm fucking sick of it.

okay, now here's the part where you insult me and tell me to go away. You pick these fights and then you act like a fucking cunt. So go ahead. But I'm leaving so I won't have to read your bullshit BECAUSE I'VE READ IT A HUNDRED TIMES BEFORE.

Posted by: the chief AoS inquisitor at September 23, 2010 08:03 PM (zgaoG)

Ace is the asshole insulting people and picking fights.  Uhhu, yep.  Definitely.

242 Someone mentioned 1894.
The odds of it are about 1 in 10 right now.
That increases dramatically if we stop this puritanical AHA bullshit. We have an incredible bench coast to cast right now. The fact that some would rather nitpick the nipple ring color on the six-DDbreasted goddess of opportunity that bounces in front of us is just pathetic.

Posted by: CAC at September 23, 2010 08:30 PM (Gr1V1)

+100.

243 Levin just as bad as the golfer.

Posted by: Michael Cabbage at September 23, 2010 08:30 PM (7+pP9)

How do you feel about the wallbanger?

244 How many books on nutrition has Levin written?

245

You aren't really comparing launching a bunch of lawsuits

I am saying you way over generalized that Levin does not work.  And before you start calling me names too, I am not making any kind of purity rant.  I stated up thread 1.  I'm tired of Levin flipping out and 2. that we should not be going apeshit over ANYONE at this point based on their doing one good thing.  Christie is doing what he said he would getting NJ's fiscal house in order.  Its great because Christie is showing the world won't end when entitlements do, and its highly entertaining watching him tell the libtards off.  Levin also serves a purpose in educating about the constitution and urging people to get involved. 

246 WHY IS ACE ONLY ATTACKING CONSERVATIVES THESE DAYS HMMMM?

247 232 Speaking of puppies, any good pictures of O'Donnell where you can at least see how she stacks?

Posted by: blindgoose at September 23, 2010 08:29 PM (Qa624)

Not very promising, I'm afraid:

http://tinyurl.com/33lhrnx

248 >>Whatever. We're on the verge of the most conservative government in... I don't even know since when, and some people just want to stew in negativity and venom. Utterly predictable. When the liberals were getting ready to take back Congress and then the Presidency, they went through the same beat downs. Remember Kos and that Memtos idiot in CT? Nobody is pure enough for the guys who feel they have been fighting all alone in the wilderness for their team. The ultra pure always go to far and step on their own dicks just as the goal line is in sight. The bar of who is acceptable always gets moved further to the extreme the closer success gets. Sure, Levin has been talking the conservative case for a long time. But he's a nasty piece of work and he probably even hates being around himself most of the time. There are people like him on both sides of the aisle, they feel if it weren't for them none of the gains would have been possible so they get to decide who is on the team.

249

looks like Mike Castle might be doing the write in thing after all.  This should help O'Donnell or if Castle wins, then at least Pet Marxist Coons will be kept out.

just saw a story that he is looking at the viability of a write in campaign.

250 Castle Fluffer

251
I feel like I'm on the "purge" list myself

Lots of young women binge and purge. They are called models. Just remember, it's hard on the teeth.

252 Look at that chart that Maet had on the ONT last night and look at the debt projections.America is in for a rough time no matter what happens in Nov.If we screw it up in Nov it may be the end(and I don't think that is hyperbole).

253 The fact that some would rather nitpick the nipple ring color on the six-DDbreasted goddess of opportunity that bounces in front of us is just pathetic. Posted by: CAC at September 23, 2010 08:30 PM (Gr1V1) I am so stealing that, where I'm going to use it I have no idea, but I am so stealing that! Pure poetry...

254 240 As far as the Landmark Legal Foundation goes, it strikes me as a clever way for someone with opinions to live off donations and grants. In that way, it's like the Family Research Council, Focus on the Family and the various wacko groups set up by loons like Brent Bozell. Those, in turn, are like various lib "foundations" in everything but political beliefs.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 23, 2010 08:31 PM (Ulu3i)

--Um, that and that the liberal foundations get a shitload of GOVERNMENT money.

255 So when do we get to see the "final reckoning" between Allen West and Ace the Ewok?

256

Mark Levin never unleashed an anti-Semitic tirade, I'll guarantee you that!

257 Brent Bozell is a loon?Really??

258 As I wrote earlier, Chris Christie is to the industrial states what Sarah Palin is to the other states (blue and otherwise).  He is real, forceful, relatable. 

So, Mark Levin, I love ya, but pick your battles.

259 It's also true that he hasn't campaigned for a Tea Party candidate. It's also true that he has a lot to do in NJ. I'm surprised that he was able to make it out here to Calif but I suppose boosting the chances of a Repub Gov candidate in the largest* state in the country it worth more than the average campaign trip. *politically

260 Not very promising, I'm afraid:

http://tinyurl.com/33lhrnx

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 23, 2010 08:33 PM (tJjm/)

--At least they're real.

261 How many books on nutrition has Levin written?

Posted by: Michael Cabbage at September 23, 2010 08:32 PM (7+pP9)

I like Savage, but he is like that kid in school who constantly whines that he is not getting the credit he deserves. 75% might have the right answer to a question in physics, but since he was the first one called upon and answered it correctly, he wants us to kiss his ass.

262 Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:29 PM

If Christie ever decides to go bigger than Joisey, we'll all get a chance to judge his positions. He might even moderate or change some (immigration and Crap & Tax, for example) if he has to work for 300 million people instead of however many live in NJ.

In the meantime, he is doing what those yammering motorscooters in Congress can only talk about. He is putting fiscal conservatism into action, and getting out in front to make sure people understand exactly where he stands. No 21-page babble-festo there; he's working.

I think it's a mistake to diss the dude for being who he is and doing what he's doing.

263 Mel Gibson isn't cool, I don't think he was ever on Fantasy Island.

264 260 As I wrote earlier, Chris Christie is to the industrial states what Sarah Palin is to the other states (blue and otherwise).  He is real, forceful, relatable. 

So, Mark Levin, I love ya, but pick your battles.

Posted by: ParisParamus at September 23, 2010 08:34 PM (A0BM0)

--Ditto to that, too.

_{(I wonder how much of this is showmanship on Levin's part.)}

265 258

Mark Levin never unleashed an anti-Semitic tirade, I'll guarantee you that!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at September 23, 2010 08:34 PM (zgZzy)

But I thought Levin was a ni... a ni... a hebrew!

266

seriously ace you use the words of a Mitt supporter to say Palin can't campaign in MA?  

 

Did you forget the 20,000  that showed up in boston for her and the TPE?

 

 

267

_{(I wonder how much of this is showmanship on Levin's part.)}

 

GET OFF THE BLOG, YOU BIG DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

268 I find all this invective . . . *SNIFF* . . . I find it . . .

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

269 So, Mark Levin, I love ya, but pick your battles.

Posted by: ParisParamus at September 23, 2010 08:34 PM (A0BM0)

I think this in a nut shell.  We are a few weeks before an election and he is talking about a guy who isn't running for anything.  Not only that, Christie isn't out there talking up immigration or the mosque etc either. 

270
Levin, the golfer and the wallbanger are all the same - lazy pallid pukes who don't know how to feed themselves properly.

271 I just sent a midget stripper over to Ace's house. Hope it helps.

272

LOL, looks like Sptizer is going after Cuomo

Said Spitzer: “The problem that Andrew has is that everybody knows that behind the scenes, he is the dirtiest, nastiest political player out there and that is his reputation from years in Washington.”

“When his father was governor, he was the tough guy. He has brass knuckles and he played hard ball. He has a lot of enemies out there. Nobody’s been willing to stand up to him. When it appeared he was going to win, it was inevitable. If it appears not to be inevitable, things may change.”

273 Chris Christie isn't perfect. Therefore I propose we go back to Jon Corzine until we get someone that Mark Levin deems suitable.

274

O'Donnell will lose. Paladino will lose. Miller and Angle might even lose. And you'll be stuck with a Democratic majority and a second term for Obama. Anger doesn't solve shit. The tea party is playing checkers while Democrats are playing chess. You've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 23, 2010 08:01 PM (mHQ7T)

Good evening, I'll be your waiter tonight.  I'm taking advance orders for November 2'nd.  Tell me, how would you like your Crow?

(Will that be with a side order of possum or fries? ...)

275

I like Levin and I also think he's right about Christie (let me finish ya big dope!) up to a point. 

The man is passionate about the extent to which this country is in trouble and, these are my opinions, he thinks more than this country's fate is at stake if we lose our ability to be an influence maybe not always for good but certainly against evil in the world.  

I think that he believes that this country is on the brink and that it isn't a loss is a RINO goes down. 

I understand the other side about how important it is to have control and I agonize about it but I also believe half measures will not stop the rapid decline of this country.

Levin, like Hannity who also gets it here alot both can be annoying but their love of this country can't be questioned.  Hannity has raised more than 15 million for dead soldiers' kids and Levin is a quiet philanthropist as well. 

IMO - I gotta make up a whole lotta ground before I can bash them too much.

276 It's easy to forget, the other side has these same arguments/infighting too.  You think the San Fran libs don't despise the Heath Shulers of their party?  We often project harmony and perfection we'd like for ourselves onto our opponents.  It very commonly happens in sports with regards to our favorite team.

In fact, I am what most would call, a fundamentalist Christian.  My pastor and I have this very discussion a lot with regard to Christ-followers and how "pure" God expects us to be.  It's the "we all make mistakes, even Christians, nobody is perfect" vs. "no sin shall enter in, go and sin no more" debate.

It does make for passionate flame-throwing...and it does make the brain hurt after a while.   Hopefully, at the end of the counting on Nov. 2nd, we'll all saulve our wounds in some cooling, soothing pudding. 

 

277 Politico is reporting that Mark Cassel, or however the Delaware guy's name is spelled, is testing the waters with a poll to see if he should do a write-in candidacy.

278 214 Conservatives ,in general,are argumentative.They have strong opinions and strongly stand by them(stubbornly).Running a conservative party is like herding cats. Liberals are easy to herd.  Posted by: steevy

Conservative leaders speak
http://tinyurl.com/28jny7

279 You know, this is my second day off since July 22nd. During those lurking days, I have noticed a lot of bitchiness about who is more conservative and who is not. Apparently we need more flame wars and boobie pics. ^{(We already seem to have enough alcohol and valu-rite.)}

280 boobs, some of us wear them, some of us are one.

281 274 Hm,funny,what he says about Cuomo also applies to him.Few,even on the left,felt bad when he got caught.

282 Ace is turning into LGF.

283 There are morons here from every corner of the US and when they watch the Christie vids they almost all agree that he is teh awesome.  How is that not a national candidate?  Conservatives from TX and squishes from NY can agree on this guy but he's not good enough because of one issue? 

284 I just sent a midget stripper over to Ace's house. Hope it helps. Does ace get sloppy with the varnish around midgets?

285 Kinda thought the whole point of having states and representatives was because we all have different opinions and what not? Yeah, maybe I disagree with some guy in New Jersey on this or that, but his job is to represent his constituents and run the state well. So far he seems to be doing that better than just about any other governor. I live in Florida and I'd trade Christie for Crist any day of the week. Besides, he's a governor. I seem to remember hearing people say something about states being the laboratories of democracy. I'd say the Christie experiment has been a success.

286 The question marks for Christie are real and they're serious. Levin's just saying to tamp down on the enthusiasm lest Christie's union-busting based policy blind everyone to his other, less conservative bona fides.

Right now, Christie is The Man for NJ because NJ's economic situation is dire. We all know this and can profit from his leadership; but let's not ignore some establishment positions which are either a) debatable or b) unacceptable.

Both men are great, but Levin has the superior Constitutional position which he can afford since he doesn't actually have to tame the electorate with actionable policy; however, we should aim for the ideal and as of now, Christie isn't ideal though he's damn good for the situation he's in. He's great for NJ, not so great (yet) for the USA.

287 some of us are one.

Posted by: willow at September 23, 2010 08:40 PM (8fK1n)

I am what I fondle.

288 269

(I wonder how much of this is showmanship on Levin's part.)

For years and years there was an earlier radio host in New York City that always yelled at his audience and hung up on them after calling them stupid - I forget the name, but I think Levin is basically ripping off his schtick.

289 259 Brent Bozell is a loon?Really??

Yeah, what the hell?  Newsbusters is probably the most important resources on the web.

290 Need to take off sockpuppet...

291 Politico is reporting that Mark Cassel, or however the Delaware guy's name is spelled, is testing the waters with a poll to see if he should do a write-in candidacy.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 23, 2010 08:40 PM (T0NGe)

Never trust a KC Chiefs QB.  Oh, wait that's Matt.  Mike Castle, the guy who looks like he has sour coffee breath is who you are talking about.

292

282 boobs, some of us wear them, some of us are one.

Are you addressing me?

293 Levin does have some use but he tends to get bitchy. When Beck had a kick ass CPAC speech Levin went off the deep end against Beck. When the 9/12 Rally happened Levin had the guts to say Beck was taking credit for it. Even though Beck started the 9/12 movement. I know Beck has his moments but I've never heard him whine and bitch like Levin does. Levin has no people skills which is too bad. He has alot to offer and according to Dan Riehl he's a helluva guy when you get to know him. Christie isn't a full blown conservative yet Planned Parenthood is shutting down some mills because of Christie and unions are getting hammered. Gotta love that at least.

294

For years and years there was an earlier radio host in New York City that always yelled at his audience and hung up on them after calling them stupid - I forget the name, but I think Levin is basically ripping off his schtick.

Posted by: Crazy Old Western Coot at September 23, 2010 08:42 PM

Morton Downey Jr.?

295 >>>seriously ace you use the words of a Mitt supporter to say Palin can't campaign in MA? Oh dear god. Is that all this is? Yes that is all this is. We are only for Saint Sarah's handpicked candidates because if they win then the media and establishment will have to take Saint Sarah seriously and that moves her closer to the White House, which is apparently the only goddamn thing that matters in life. Sarah Palin is not broadly popular. Google it.

296 282 boobs, some of us wear them, some of us are one.


I just like to juggle them.

297 290 Bob Grant.Levin was at his 40th anniversary (on the radio) party Tues I believe.Levin does Grants schtick as a homage.

298 heh adam

299 Posted by: Samuel Adams at September 23, 2010 08:42 PM (Jx0x6) In the immortal words of Groucho Marx, "You're only as old as the woman you feel."

300 bebes! haha , well now that you mention them. the guys need uplifting!

301 Yes, unseen, "Mitt's candidate" is making it up that Palin isn't hugely popular in New England. That's a media-lie. She's hugely popular there. Okay? Is that what you need to hear? She's hugely popular everywhere, and in absolutely no state does she have a 30-65 favorability/unfavorability split. In absolutely no state at all. Everyone loves her. Her favorability ratings are 85-15 across the board, everywhere. We're all lying to you because we are afraid she's going to come to DC and shake things up so we have falsified hundreds of polls on this topic.

302 284 Ace is turning into LGF.

Well, he hasn't posted photos of his bicycle's pedals yet.

When that happens, then I'll start to worry.

303 It is true that Christie is weak on immigration. It occurs to me that Gen. Patton was weak on strategic bombing. But he was damn good at throwing armored divisions around and we needed a big time tank commander in WW2. Seeing as how the biggest problems we're looking at now are fiscal in nature looking at someone (Christie) who appears to have the balls to handle fiscal problems seems to make a lot of sense.

304 Google it.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:46 PM (KUUXH

Google?  A sure sign of a RINO.  True conservatives bing it like right wing Bill Gates does.

305

I just have a thin skin about negativity. I feel like I'm on the "purge" list myself (as do a lot of people I know) and this constant urge to purge is kind of making us feel unwelcome.

It's not a very good political strategy, really.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:26 PM (KUUXH)

I think part of this has come about from blowback.  We spent most of the 2008 primary season hearing dipshits saying we have to pick McCain because he'll be electable in the general election.  He's more moderate not a hardcore conservative that will get trounced.  And then he loses.  And after that you still have those people saying that the GOP needs to move to the left to remain viable and win.  So they were advocating a purge of people on the right.  Well those people have now fought back and basically proven that they aren't they dying breed that Parker Noonan and Frum had claimed they were.  But they're essentially falling into the same pattern, Purge those that are more moderate.  Its two forms of a purity fight.  And you can see it happening right here with people never finding anyone conservative enough or people like Tattoo De Plane essentially saying that anyone to the right of Lindsey Graham is going to lose this election.

Meanwhile everyone in between the two who want to find the common ground to actually hit the brakes on the clusterfuck that is the federal government and work towards possibly rolling it back, are getting really fucking sick of both sorts of these cocksuckers and ready to just say Fuck all y'all.

306 297 True ace.He accent alone makes many people I know and know of ,laugh(which is funny because some NE people have dumbass accents themselves).Again that is the way the NE is (the more urban parts)they see someone hunting they think they are flat nuts.

307 Don't get him in my market, thankfully.  I can't stand Hannity for that exact reason.

Oh, Hell No!

I would (and have) listened to loooong stretches of Bill O'Reilly, Micheal Medved, Laura Ingrahm and fucking NPR during the turfed out dessert on the AM waves dedicated to Hannity and the "great Americans" that listen to him.

I actually like Mark Levin and wish he were on in the afternoons again, in this market.

Sometimes he does make my ears bleed but I think it a better trade than losing IQ points.

I dunno, pick your poison, I guess.

308 Are Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, and Mike Castle the "purity police"?  Because they seem to be the only ones backstabbing, picking intra-party fights, and undermining Republican chances of victory in November.

309 Levin checks all the right boxes, but going after an (R) who is thumping all the right skulls in NEW JERSEY and has not publically declared any intention for national office is flat stupid.  They spend half their time (correctly) ranting about how the country as they have always known it is being taken away from them, and then they immediately go after people who are in the line of fire and fighting the wars.  In blue states.  Aren't running for office this year.  Have a few bad positions, but the real sin is endorsing the wrong candidate in Delaware.  A candidate that already won the primary, by the way. 

Too much of that is the political equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot.  Levin needs to focus on the real danger.  To me, the worst piece of legislation in my life was passed 6 months ago and we have out talk show hosts taking their eye off the ball and going after Chris F. Christie.

310 I treat them all as eccentric family members: Christie is like the dad who reliably brings home the bacon but also wants his 4 beers when he gets home.  Beck is like Sebastian from Brideshead Revisited: by far the most disturbed of the lot but also charismatic and has a sweet side.  Levin is like the cranky uncle who bitches about things even when they're going well (he is Jewish, remember?) but is also loyal.  Rush is like the cousin who like to tell stories, all about himself (even when you wish he would regale us more about the side characters like Mark Steyn and Walter Williams).  Sean is like the "slow" one who needs a lot of help but is nevertheless earnest and without guile.

Can't comment on the second-tier guys because I've never heard 'em (although I always enjoy Prager's columns).

311

looks like Mike Castle might be doing the write in thing after all.  This should help O'Donnell or if Castle wins, then at least Pet Marxist Coons will be kept out.

I agree.  This is the best O'Donnell could hope for.  It will be way too hard for her to overcome her deficit.

Castle will believe the self-serving propaganda that he's trying to "save" the seat from the unworthy.

I think in DE he would ordinarily win such a 3-way race, but write-ins are notoriously hard.

You know, for all those people who say that Congressmen go to those fat salaried lobbyist jobs, they must not be all that great because Castle is fighting tooth and nail for a 4-year Senate seat.

312 Google? A sure sign of a RINO. True conservatives bing it like right wing Bill Gates does. I use 'Ask'. Where does that leave me?

313 Ace is turning into LGF.

Well, he hasn't posted photos of his bicycle's pedals yet.

Fat drunk and sodomized by bicycle seat poles is no way to go through life son.

314

Good Christ I knew staying away from this thread would probably be a good idea.

Nine mins until The Office.

Wondering if it will suck as bad as the last two seaons.

315 313 The Senate has way more prestige.The whole elite 100 thing.More chance to grab bucks too,nation wide.

316 Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2010 08:49 PM (oVQFe)

That's about right.  I'm so far right Genghis Khan defriended me on Facebook, as are many of us.  We have to realize that we're about 5 standard deviations out and act accordingly.

At the same time, that McCain thing did really fucking sting.

317 >>>. We spent most of the 2008 primary season hearing dipshits saying we have to pick McCain because he'll be electable in the general election. He's more moderate not a hardcore conservative that will get trounced. And then he loses. YOU'RE MAKING THIS UP. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN. John McCain was said to be more electable than who, precisely? The only person I can think of is Mike Huckabee. More electable than Mitt Romney? Or Fred Thompson? Or Rudy Giuliani? I am tired of this falsehood put forth to explain your position. Who the fuck was saying this? QUOTE THEM. This is bullshit. You are trying to hang the McCain debacle on my neck and he was never my candidate, EVER, until he fucking won and there was no other choice remaining. But you guys keep up with this bullshit. WHO SAID THIS? WHEN? Who was McCain said to be more electable than? Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee? Which of those two losers was your guy? Because he damn sure wasn't more electable than Romeny, Guiliani, or Thompson.

318 284 Ace is turning into LGF.

Posted by: LGF+ACE=ATTACK CONSERVATIVES at September 23, 2010 08:41 PM (mzwMH)

Yeah Ace, God damn your attacking conservatives.  Every day I see you making a post just slamming Rubio.  And not to mention your attacks on Toomey in PA.   Your constant take downs of Miller in Alaska are really insulting.  Bashing Sharon Angle in Nevada saying you'd rather have Reid remain its senator.  Every single day its another shot at conservatives.  Its just getting so tiring hearing you praise Murkowski, Sestak and Crist. 

319 316 This thread is pretty mild lacey.

320 Just a punk with a keyboard. hahahahah

321 Newsbusters is probably the most important resources on the web.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 23, 2010 08:43 PM

That had an invisible sarc tag on it, right?

Newsbusters is 99% in-depth exposition of the obvious and 1% actual "newsbusting."

It's kind of like reading a Doctor Zero post on Tepid Air. You can agree a point has been made, but wonder why the hell they have to run it into the ground. Deep, deep into the ground. In many cases, you also have to wonder why the point they are making (and making, and making, and making) wasn't important to them long before, when it really was news in the real world.

I suspect whatever popularity Newsbusters has comes from people who instinctively agree that the media is Teh Evil and think it's wonderful that they're having the point made for them over and over, over and over....

322 I use 'Ask'. Where does that leave me?

Posted by: fluffy, black sheep at September 23, 2010 08:51 PM (SwkdU)

Hmm..a libtardtarian?

 

Can't comment on the second-tier guys because I've never heard 'em (although I always enjoy Prager's columns).

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2010 08:50 PM (BP6Z1)

Who is Randi Rhodes in the family?

323 Levin has no people skills which is too bad. He has alot to offer and according to Dan Riehl he's a helluva guy when you get to know him.

Posted by: USMC at September 23, 2010 08:45 PM (Cblyc)

--True.  Read Rescuing Sprite and then try to argue what a cretin Levin is.

My mom continues to support Obama, but she's a dog lover and is glad I bought her that book for Christmas.

324 Personally I think we got McCain precisely because of the purity guys who turned their noses up at Guiliani and Romney.

325 Chris Christie saved the day. The highest taxes in the country now can only go up 2.5%. My hero

326

Wondering if it will suck as bad as the last two seaons.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 23, 2010 08:51 PM (HtbaE)

Yes Lacey, The Office has officially jumped the shark as of last season. It's over but they did have a good run. Oh by the way, magic number is 4. IYKWIMAITYD.

327 We don't all have to be so in love with each other we all get mass-married, you know

You really ought to tell that to the female moronettes about Christie. Some posters put your creepy stalker schtick to shame.
In a good way, I suppose. Big man can take care of himself.

328 306...I have a running joke with several of my politically minded friends that I never go**le, since those guys are ultra libs.  I Bing, therefore I am. 

329 Die sock!

330

Bottom line - People are pissed the hell off, and some people are afraid and afraid for their children, and still others are pissed the hell off that they have been made to be afraid.

That anger comes out.  Sometimes rationally and sometimes not. 

Look up above at some of the shit that has been said here about some of our own guys.  Most of it is pure bullshit made to come out by anger and offense.

I understand it but a lot of times I don't like it, but I'm angry too and sometimes it just fucking comes out... on the wrong people.

331 Look Levin is a hardline,hardline conservative and I love him. He's talking about Christie as a national candidate. I live in Jersey and love the fat man on fiscal issues but he's pretty bad on some very important stuff. Immigration for one and the cap'n trade he instituted here to ne a few. In other words perfect for Jersey and no place else. Also open up to Levin he knows more about the Constitution than anyone I've heard.

332 327 Truth.It was a bad election year though,a perfect storm against us.

333 This is bullshit. You are trying to hang the McCain debacle on my neck and he was never my candidate, EVER, until he fucking won and there was no other choice remaining.

Not hanging it around your neck, Ace.  You're acting as a stand in for "the establishment" that foisted him on us, in some people's minds.  That's all, unfair or not.

334 oh and now buzzion defended me JUST TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A DICK. Thanks, jerk. (kidding) but seriously this 'we pushed mccain on you based on electability" is a lie your brain is telling you.

335

Nine mins until The Office.

Wondering if it will suck as bad as the last two seaons.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 23, 2010 08:51 PM (HtbaE)

--I can't wait.  I'm hoping that since Carrell is leaving that will make the writers more creative.  Also, after this year I won't have to expect anything good.

336 >>Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:46 PM (KUUXH) If you start arguing with the Hot Air Palin Purity Choir you are gonna get an anu... anne... your head will explode.

337

Who is Randi Rhodes in the family?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 23, 2010 08:53 PM (A0VTZ) 

--A decent guitar player?

338
I use 'Ask'. Where does that leave me?
We can't tell you

339 They spend half their time (correctly) ranting about how the country as they have always known it is being taken away from them, and then they immediately go after people who are in the line of fire and fighting the wars.  In blue states.  Aren't running for office this year.

This.

Thank you, Dave S.

340

i wasn't online during Bush elections, hell did aol exist during clinton (snark)

what i do know about this specific election is we have alot of liberarians, alot of old school dems, social cons, conservative and social cons,  why wouldn't this be particularly difficult?

i find this great, although difficult , we all are trying to make the best thing happen in our country  this very difficult time,we All know this winning is a must!, and old time republicans  how about we just try to be more patient with eachother... if that isn't too girly?

341 To *name* a few

342 but even the establishment wasn't "pushing" mccain as the "most electable" candidate. There were three others more electable. This argument only makes sense if you were a Paul guy, or a Huckabee guy. For those two candidates and ONLY those two, it could be said that McCain was more electable. So fess up. Who was on Team Huck and who was on Team Paul? (ron paul!!!)

343 I can't stand Levin's voice, but he speaks the truth a lot.

I can't stand Hannity's repetition and total lack of comprehension of what his callers say, but he has some good guests. (not Newt or Lindsey or Bob Beckell or all those liberal dicks he brings on,) and those Freedom Concerts go to a good cause.

Glen Beck is weird and right on way too many far out things he says.

Rush is right. It can't be denied. You think he's full of himself, and you're absolutely right. You are too, and would be much more so if you had his success, insight and following.  Mark Stein replace Rush? Not hardly. He is okay, and I admit I like him as well as any of the guests, but you tune in Rush to hear Rush. Just like there was only one Johnny Carson.

Do any of you remember talk radio back in the 70's?  It was pure liberal shit, all day every day.  Is that what you'd prefer?

All of these guys are out there giving us their own personal view of what a conservative, constitutional America should look like. Do you have to agree with everything they say? Hell no!  Do I think that someone needs to say it that gets national air time? Hell yes!

Everyone has different ideas about what is imperative, and what can be compromised on. Me, personally, I don't compromise on the Second Amendment, Cap and Trade and locking down the borders.

That doesn't mean that I don't like Christy, even though we're on the opposite sides of all those fences. I think he's doing great things where he's at, but I don't want someone that is for gun control, amnesty and cap and steal me blind as my President.

Actually, that guy is already there. I won't vote for another no matter how good he is on other problems. It's all in your imperatives.

344 True.  Read Rescuing Sprite and then try to argue what a cretin Levin is.

My mom continues to support Obama, but she's a dog lover and is glad I bought her that book for Christmas.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2010 08:53 PM (BP6Z1)

That book changed my opinion of him for the better as well. Not that I ever hated or even disliked him or anything. 

I still don't like him inexplicably attacking Christie at this point.  This close to an election especially.  He showed me something with that book though.

345 313 looks like Mike Castle might be doing the write in thing after all.

Apparently he's going to do some polling first to see if it's worth the effort.

346

Who is Randi Rhodes in the family?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 23, 2010 08:53 PM (A0VTZ) 

--A decent guitar player?

Decent? Would have been one of the greatest if he didn't think he could fly. I saw him play 2 weeks before he died. Him and that polka-dot flying V were fucking awesome.

347

YOU'RE MAKING THIS UP. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.

John McCain was said to be more electable than who, precisely? The only person I can think of is Mike Huckabee.

More electable than Mitt Romney? Or Fred Thompson? Or Rudy Giuliani?

I am tired of this falsehood put forth to explain your position.

Who the fuck was saying this? QUOTE THEM.

This is bullshit. You are trying to hang the McCain debacle on my neck and he was never my candidate, EVER, until he fucking won and there was no other choice remaining.

But you guys keep up with this bullshit.

WHO SAID THIS? WHEN?

Who was McCain said to be more electable than? Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee? Which of those two losers was your guy?

Because he damn sure wasn't more electable than Romeny, Guiliani, or Thompson.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:52 PM (KUUXH)

Ace, that wasn't meant as an attack against anyone here really.  That's why I made sure to specify during the primaries as opposed to the general election.  It was about the people who were promoting McCain in the primary because he was the Republican that would get Democrats to vote for him, or whatever bullshit lie they were deluding themselves with.

For the record, even though he had dropped out by the time the primary was held in my state, my Primary vote went to Thompson.

348 348 And if his polling shows it helps COD he will quickly drop it.

349 er i was a fred  head, but he had no fire, and went off the radar

350 By the way, if you care about this country beyond the next ten years or so, immigration is the trump issue.  Any other victories you achieve today will be easily undone by the teeming third world hordes.

351 Newsbusters is 99% in-depth exposition of the obvious and 1% actual "newsbusting."

They make a record of the media.  They host videos and highlight some of the most egregious MSM bias.

They provide SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.

352 I still like McCain, he always looks clean. He's a clean old man.

353 Fred was the classic campaign by a guy who didn't really want to win.So much enthusiasm by his supporters,but none by him.

354 I still like McCain, he always looks clean. He's a clean old man.

I'd hit it.

355

Who is Randi Rhodes in the family?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 23, 2010 08:53 PM (A0VTZ) 

--A decent guitar player?

Decent? Would have been one of the greatest if he didn't think he could fly. I saw him play 2 weeks before he died. Him and that polka-dot flying V were fucking awesome.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at September 23, 2010 08:58 PM (Jx0x6)

I meant the Air American shrew. Heh.

356 That's about right.  I'm so far right Genghis Khan defriended me on Facebook, as are many of us.  We have to realize that we're about 5 standard deviations out and act accordingly.

At the same time, that McCain thing did really fucking sting.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 23, 2010 08:52 PM (5Xf3c)

I like the mix of your pudding, sir, and would like to join the flavor of the month club. 

357 Apparently he's going to do some polling first to see if it's worth the effort.
Posted by: Gran at September 23, 2010 08:57 PM (kmmbv)

He'll do it.  The poll will probably show him at 20-25%.  His ego will convince him he can make up the gap.

358

The thing that pisses me off about Levin is his total lack of understanding of how Christie helps the movement beyond NJ.  Sure Christie has this cool factor that helps make conservatism appealing to those squishy indies. 

Beyond that, as a fiscally conservative gonvernor, he is taking the fight to the very heart of the socialism/union complex.   When Christie shows that a governor can take a prinicpled stand against bloated government and the unions in New Jersey, it has and will inspire other governors.  

I believe the states will lead the second wave in 2011 and 2012 after the Tea Party and conservatives take back the House.    That is, states will stand up to more public sector unions and insist the Federal government restrain itself.  Just watch the results of the mulit-state suit against portions of Obamacare.  I would not be surprised to see a constitutional convention within the next 2 years.  Not from the House and Senate, but by the method that has never been used - when 2/3rds of the state houses call for the convention to propose amendments.  We have something like 22 states that have joined or are considering joining the Obamacare suit.  Just 12 more and all hell could break loose.

359 but even the establishment wasn't "pushing" mccain as the "most electable" candidate.

It was his turn.  It's the establishment's way.  Bob Dole agrees.

I went Fred-Mitt-McCain, like I think a lot of people did.  Ron Paul is great the same way Castro is great: like a museum.  Huckabee is just a Baptist preacher with Fat-Boy Complex.

360 Rudy on the other hand,definately wanted it.He also had enthusiastic support at first,he ruined it by terrible strategic decisions.

361 Chris Christie is, first and foremost, a fiscal conservative. Period.

Mark Fucking Levin can bow down and suck my cock before I listen another thing from that narrow minded pultroon.

We have serious matters on the table, Mr. Levin, and the first and foremost is the death of this country because of debt.  We'll deal with the rest later...you jackass.

Crap, I hate that screaming jerk. I knew a bunch of guys like him from Cheltenham and Temple...at least they went off to be slip and fall lawyers.

362

284 Ace is turning into LGF.

That's fucked up, dude.  Seriously.  Fucked up.

363 steevy , yes about fred, guilliani was my next pic. i voted for McCain in finals.

364 364 Chris Christie is, first and foremost, a fiscal conservative. Period.

Chris Christie did more for the pro-life cause this week by vetoing the abortion subsidy to PP than most pro-lifers will do in a lifetime.

That's the kind of social-liberal squish I can get behind.

365 All in all Ace what's happening here is good. Even our Founders went at and went at hard. This in fighting used to bother me but lately I see it as healthy as long as it doesn't get outta control. In '08 I was pushing for Duncan Hunter. He had some things that bothered me later but I liked him over all.

366 I like the mix of your pudding, sir, and would like to join the flavor of the month club.

For the foreseeable future, we will be featuring Salty Nut.

367 When Fred and Rudy fucked up I became a Mitt backer.Huckabee really played the spoiler on him.I hate that fat fuck.

368

Hell!  You pink pantied girly boys prolly don't even like this guy!

http://tinyurl.com/29ts76d

And stay the hell outta Georgia, boy!

369

but seriously this 'we pushed mccain on you based on electability" is a lie your brain is telling you.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:56 PM (KUUXH)

Nope.  I think you're reading it wrong.  I was trying to be clear that I wasn't calling anyone here out as being a McCain Primary supporter.  Obviously should have made it abundantly clear.  Really I am not accusing you of ever being one of the inverse-purity purge guys.  I actually consider you to be someone that recognizes that if the moderates get their way and kick out all the hardcore conservatives or the hardcore conservatives get their way and kick out all the moderates we're going to be fucked and looking at a permanent 1/3 seat minority in both houses.

370

ack i have to sign off.

we are better fighting together than apart.

371 #307- I completely get what you are saying, but I think it might be good to just rehash all that nasty stuff for a second.  Who was out there that the conservative base really got behind?  Fred Thompson?  I personally liked him, but he never really showed a strong desire to win it and didn't get much traction.  When Huckabee won Iowa, we heard from the talk show crowd that he would be a terrible choice, and I agree.  Then McCain started winning, and we heard he was terrible too.  I didn't hear anyone come out and proudly state Romney would unabashedly advocate all their hopes and dreams.  I gathered that many viewed him as their best vehicle, but people didn't seem willing to state it.  Who did we have to vote for?

Can't we all just acknowledge at some point that the 2008 pool pretty much sucked?  That's how I see it at least.  I'm starting to think that the longer we talk about this whole "we promoted a moderate in 2008, and look where that got us" mentality, the longer we are attacking governors  in New Jersey that are doing pretty good things.  Just to try to prove a point about party purity.  I think that point is being pretty well proven in the primary this time around, and I hope next time around too.   But maybe I'm just a squishy RINO.

372 Primaries are over and this is no time to attack Republicans.  Some of us are reluctant to give it up because we are so damn good at ripping up our own and tearing down the party.  Who wins then except the people who are measured by ratings?

This is double stupid because Christie was only helping out in one of the important close races and is a strong voice in the bluest of States.  Why attack Christie now unless you want to start early tearing down '12 candidates, like the kill game we held last time when McLame was the only one left standing?

So we get a circular firing squad going over Delaware like there was triple bonus points there, and go after Christie who is the only one smart enough to go where a little effort might mean a lot.  Nuts.

373 369...had to ruin it for me, didn't you? 

374 In '08 I was pushing for Duncan Hunter. He had some things that bothered me later but I liked him over all. He dropped out so early I didn't get to vote for him.

375 Fred was the classic campaign by a guy who didn't really want to win.So much enthusiasm by his supporters,but none by him. Posted by: steevy at September 23, 2010 09:01 PM

I thought Fred! was really the best choice in '08. Just wish he hadn't died before really getting into the campaign.

When McCain was nominated, I felt he was better than Osama Obama, and that was enough. I didn't mind the snark aimed at him during the primaries; after all, any candidate gets that, and it's part of the process.

What frosted my ass is that after McCain became the candidate, certain people (*cough* Limbaugh, *cough* Malkin and others) felt they had to keep sniping at him, when the alternative was a dangerous communist Muzzie psychopath.

LOTE voting sucks. We all know that. I hope next time, the self-appointed "opinion leaders" learn to STFU when the choice is made, and don't keep whining about what they don't like.

P.S. Memo to Hannity: Reagan is fuckin' dead, dude, and you won't get him in '12 no matter how much you wish upon a star....

376

Chris Christie did more for the pro-life cause this week by vetoing the abortion subsidy to PP than most pro-lifers will do in a lifetime.

But was that because of a pro life stance or because of his fiscal policy?

377

Oh good, Coulter on Hannity. I can look at Coulter and watch that dickweed Hannity interrupt everything she tries to say.

I wish I had a shock collar button on my remote for that fucker.

378 Sarah Palin is not broadly popular. Google it.

Posted by: ace at September 23, 2010 08:46 PM (KUUXH

 

52% of Voters Say Their Views Are More Like PalinÂ’s Than ObamaÂ’s  rasmuseen  says. 

 

And if Palin is so unpopular explain how she can pull the  crowd she did in downtown boston in apr,2009  during a middaty afternnon.  Mitt couldn't pull that size of crowd.  And christie couldn't pull that type of crowd  in boston.    i guess you believe google before your lying eyes. 

Seriously using a Mitt supporter to say Palin can't campaign in the NE?  Whats next using an Obama supporter to claim Obamacare is popular?

 

379 Once McCain was the nominee I was a solid suppporter.No fucking way did I want Barry(and I didn't even think he'd be close to as bad as he has been).

380 Geez *surveying the carnage of the thread*.

Here's my two cents - These purity wars are destructive and wearisome.  That is all.

/And whoever compared Ace to LGF is just plain loony. 

381 Methinks that Levin's looking for ratings and not for a majority. The act doesn't look so good when you're no longer in the wilderness. I guess when it came to striking the balance between conservatism, pragmatism and post-primary unity, Ace had me at "Hello".

382 367 364 Chris Christie is, first and foremost, a fiscal conservative. Period.

Chris Christie did more for the pro-life cause this week by vetoing the abortion subsidy to PP than most pro-lifers will do in a lifetime.

That's the kind of social-liberal squish I can get behind.

And he did it for unimpeachable reasons.  The State of New Jersey couldn't afford it and PP makes an "unexpected revenue".

So exactly who the fuck is more effective?  Chris Christie or Whiny Levin?

For all the BS that Levin spews he's stopped exactly nothing about which he spews.  OTOH, Govenor Chrisite gets shit done.  He does so in a rational and clear cut manner.  Had he done so reiterating Mark Levin he would not have had the political punch to bring three Republicans back to the fold.

A feat which Mr. Fucking "I served in Reagan's Cabinet" Levin has never done and will never do!

All that fuckwit will do is hawk books and suck Rush's and Hannitiy's junk.

What a jackass.

383 383 It hasn't been bad Kratos.Pretty reasoned debate with a couple of assholes here and there.

384 Does anyone read this far into a post?  Not sure this is stating the obvious, but:

In the meantime, he is doing what those yammering motorscooters in Congress can only talk about.

Assuming Christie isn't actually as conservative as you like on all fronts, remember that can work to the conservative's  advantage: he may get a listen from many voters that, wrongly or rightly, someone like Sarah Palin would not.

For better or worse, a lot of politics isn't the substance; it's how a voter reacts to a candidate.  I suspect a lot of voters could handle Reagan because they were familiar with him over his long public career.  Conversely, a lot of voters can't handle Palin because of her geo-personality.  Christie is familiar and likable to blue staters.  He can be a kind of blue state conservative missionary that many conservative politicians cannot be.

385 Geez *surveying the carnage of the thread*.

Here's my two cents - These purity wars are destructive and wearisome.  That is all.

/And whoever compared Ace to LGF is just plain loony. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 23, 2010 09:12 PM (c0A3e)

I agree, and I plan to take off my pants just like Herr.

386 Now I see Ace is vigorously pursuing the same line.  I just think people oversimplify the "we elected a moderate in the primary and see where that got us" mentality.  Especially when using it to go after Chris Christie.

387 The only person I remember actively supporting McCain here in the primaries was Right Wing Sparkle. I think Huck had more support here than McCain ever did and nobody liked Huck. Pretty funny that anyone would think a guy who's idea of an electoral celebration is dipping his junk in his dessert is part of the establishment.

388 The fact that some would rather nitpick the nipple ring color on the six-DDbreasted goddess of opportunity that bounces in front of us is just pathetic.

Oh, but honey, I'm on the purity committee.  And you're a squishy RINO traitor.  No lap dance for you!

389 How is support of Cap and Tax fiscally conservative?  That is the most pulled out of thin air excuse to tax the country into oblivion ever imagined.

This is a real question.

390

For better or worse, a lot of politics isn't the substance; it's how a voter reacts to a candidate.

Yeah, that worked out well for us with Obumbles didn't it?

391 Levin is a fucking brilliant patriot and if you don't agree, then FOAD.

Look past his nasel rants and look at the good he's done.

If you don't, then ya'll are fucking KOSSACKS having the hairy ones dipped in your cavities.

392 Ace - I just wanted to say you're a great American.

393 "Far as I can tell, Christie is good on basically one issue and that is scaling back pensions and government spending." That's like saying that "Churchill is good on basically one issue and that is standing up to the Nazis." Ok...but that's THE issue right now, so...?

394 Pretty funny that anyone would think a guy who's idea of an electoral celebration is dipping his junk in his dessert is part of the establishment.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 23, 2010 09:14 PM (VW9/y)

You need to get educated.

George Will does it all the time.  After big electoral and baseball wins. 

395 393 We all know it's not a good thing.It is human nature,however.Realities have to be taken into account.

396 Tattoo you are an idiot. WTF have you ever done since they canceled Fantasy Island anyhow.>>>>>> Um, committed suicide?

397

Can't we all just acknowledge at some point that the 2008 pool pretty much sucked?  That's how I see it at least.  I'm starting to think that the longer we talk about this whole "we promoted a moderate in 2008, and look where that got us" mentality, the longer we are attacking governors  in New Jersey that are doing pretty good things.  Just to try to prove a point about party purity.  I think that point is being pretty well proven in the primary this time around, and I hope next time around too.   But maybe I'm just a squishy RINO.

Posted by: Dave S. at September 23, 2010 09:08 PM (UvR6d)

Yeah overall it sucked.  That wasn't the main thrust of my point really though at comment 307.  I was using at as a frame of reference starting point for what was the call of moving more to the left by some in the GOP.  And this call by these moderates and RINOs to essentially purge conservatives from the GOP has caused the backlash which is manifesting for some as a call to purge anyone deemed not sufficiently pure of conservative heart.  I consider support of McCain in the primaries to be a symptom of this moderate attempt to purge.  But I do not believe anyone here was in support of McCain in the primaries or part of the idea to move the GOP leftward.

398 lacey, so far Kathy Bates has had the best lines.

Kelly is also hilarious.

The rest, so-so.

Pam's boobies are spectacular as always, though.

399 Look past his nasel rants and look at the good he's done.

Name them? 
Exactly what stupendous event has the Legal Landmark Foundation actually achieved by itself?  All they claim?  They joined as what is known as a "friend of the court".  Known on the schoolyard as "me too!!"

Hell, I could have sent an Amicus Brief to the court for Heller...does that make me a great defender of the Second?

You could have too.

400 Because he damn sure wasn't more electable than Romeny, Guiliani, or Thompson.

Snicker.

I actually joined the Republican party just so's I could campaign and vote against John McCain in the primaries, in Arizona!

My choice, at the time, was Romney.

And I'll stand by it.

Where the hell were you Monday Morning Quarterbacks, I'd like to know when I was waving my fool head off, in February, on a street corner, trying to get Republicans in AZ to fucking make a choice and not just be sheep?

No where, I'll guess.

My ass he was "the more electable" face of the Republican party!

Only people, who I personally know, that wanted John McCain to win the nomination for President are both lawyers, and live in MD.

So, take that for what it's worth.

401 I am beginning to wonder about Mark Levin.  I listen to his radio broadcast, I read his book, but picking fights with the other conservatives seems to be just a little counter productive.  I may have to rethink my listening pleasure.  Plus, does anybody but me notice that talk radio's commercials seem to be more than the talk?  I think I noticed about 32 minutes of commercials (I count news and traffic as commercials) recently in the daytime program on 1380.

402 Quilly Mammoth: "We have serious matters on the table, Mr. Levin, and the first and foremost is the death of this country because of debt. We'll deal with the rest later...you jackass."

A point here: "the rest" matters in the context of economic recovery and cannot be summarily dismissed as untimely overreach. Christie's positions now on illegal immigration policy and Obamacare, for example, are "nuanced." That's probably politically savvy in NJ but not confidence-building as a conservative matter. Those two issues, if decided moderately or liberally, would be catastrophically expensive. That undermines an economic hawk's argument for fiscal responsibility.

Some of these issues are so intertwined in economics that they simply cannot be ignored or wished away. Ignoring them or nuancing them out of the debate conceals their inevitable impact on the nation and its economy. Levin's mentioning these ancillary issues is not heresy. Christie will need to commit to the conservative POV on other issues or his assault on government waste, mismanagement, and abuse will be futile.

403 Mark Levin is absolutely right to criticize Chris Christie on immigration policy, what with New Jersey being a border state and all.

404 383 Geez *surveying the carnage of the thread*.

Here's my two cents - These purity wars are destructive and wearisome.  That is all.

/And whoever compared Ace to LGF is just plain loony. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 23, 2010 09:12 PM (c0A3e)

There always does seem to be one of those douchebags that shows up in a thread like this and accuse Ace of being LGF.  And a lot of times you'll notice that it will be the only comment they've made in the thread, and doesn't appear to be one of the regulars hashes either.  Hell maybe Ed Anger should drop his sockpuppeting of denny crane and sockpuppet douchebags accusing ace of being Charles Johnson.

And for the record I do not think that anyone at Ace of Spades supported McCain in the primary as the electable candidate.  Ace especially.

405 397 Pretty funny that anyone would think a guy who's idea of an electoral celebration is dipping his junk in his dessert is part of the establishment.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 23, 2010 09:14 PM (VW9/y)

You need to get educated.

George Will does it all the time.  After big electoral and baseball wins.

George Will dips his bow tie in pudding?  Now that's just gross.

406 And if Palin is so unpopular explain how she can pull the  crowd she did in downtown boston in apr,2009  during a middaty afternnon.  Mitt couldn't pull that size of crowd.  And christie couldn't pull that type of crowd  in boston.    i guess you believe google before your lying eyes. 

Seriously using a Mitt supporter to say Palin can't campaign in the NE?  Whats next using an Obama supporter to claim Obamacare is popular?

I live in the Northeast.  Sarah Palin is not popular up here.  It's unfortunate, but true.

As for the crowd size argument, it's estimated that Palin drew a crowd of 3,000 to her speech in Boston.  That's about half a percent of the population of that city.  It's .04% of the population of Massachusetts.  The enthusiasm of the crowd is great, but those that showed up are a minority up here in the cold north.

407 Damn, forgot to drop sockpuppet. #406 is mine.

408

George Will dips his bow tie in pudding?  Now that's just gross.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 23, 2010 09:26 PM (E97ku)

Of course it is. He wrote a book about baseball, of all things, you don't think he would stoop to tie-dipping?  The man is obviously a maverick.

409

#23 and #25 nailed it.

Levin has invited Christie on his show - Chris Christie is a big boy and can take care of himself - if he's a solid conservative, then he has nothing to fear from Levin.

Levin has talked about Christie several times, indicating he just isn't sure about him - there is the Castle endorsement, cap-and-trade thing, etc. He's basically said 'it's too soon for him to be making any decisions about Christie for President.' In fact, I saw Chris Christie make that same statement the other day

Levin is all about the founders, Constitution, and originalism. His breakdown of the whole anchor-baby issue is nothing short of brilliant, as well as the judgement against Arizona's immigration law, etc.

Yeah, he can get a little ranty at times, but, frankly, he is passionate and pissed off about what both Republicans (calling themselves conservatives) and Democrats have done to the country.

I know you're a little hurt, being called out over the Castle v. O'Donnell battle by him.

I say you give him a call and offer to hash out the differences on air. I'll bet he'd be more than happy to talk to you.

410 Chris Christie did more for the pro-life cause this week by vetoing the abortion subsidy to PP than most pro-lifers will do in a lifetime.>>>>> And that's the drum I've been beating for some time now. Fiscal Conservatism inevitably leads to Social Conservatism, even if there's no overt intent. The Levin's and Hannity's of the world need to focus on fiscal, fiscal, fiscal. If our financial house is in order, the social stuff will fall into order. I think.

411 Why do we need to give in to Christy? Sure he's a fiscal conservative, but if he wants to be a major player he needs to re-think some of his positions. Especially on immigration. That's a deal breaker. Period. I don't give a rat's a$$ if he balances NJ's budget if he's gonna be pro amnesty, he can stay in NJ

Levin is 100% right.

412 But I do not believe anyone here was in support of McCain in the primaries or part of the idea to move the GOP leftward.

Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2010 09:19 PM (oVQFe)

 

Good points.  The problem with the moderates is they don't like to taste their own medicine.  They are all for unity when they win.  They all want to go 3rd party when they lose.  they have no problem mocking social conservatives as bible thumpers, hicks etc but when they are called RINOS/elites  they have hissy fits.   

Christie has some good points.  He is terrible on immigration not a big issue in NJ but a major issue in the Southwest and the South in general.  

If given a choice between Christie and Obama I would vote for christie.  Now would the moderates turn out to vote for a Demint vs Obama?  Somehow I doubt it.  

 

 

 

  

413 Fiscal Conservatism inevitably leads to Social Conservatism...

Posted by: The Real Tattoo at September 23, 2010 09:31 PM (+bMtX)

Interesting insight.  I think the common thread there is personal responsibility.

414

Levin is right.

Christie is good for NJ.  He is not a cure for the nation.

Ace is right. 

Levin has been grating lately. 

Also, Ace and Levin are very similar.  Impassioned, dogmatic and prone to emotional explosions at the drop of a hat.

I like them both, carry on.

415

#413,

  I actually think that social conservatism leads to fiscal conservatism - if you are conservative by nature, you recognize it's morally wrong to spend everyone else's money on all sorts of 'programs.'

That being said, your example is a very, very good point, and I hadn't thought of it that way.

416 And that's the drum I've been beating for some time now. Fiscal Conservatism inevitably leads to Social Conservatism, even if there's no overt intent. The Levin's and Hannity's of the world need to focus on fiscal, fiscal, fiscal. If our financial house is in order, the social stuff will fall into order. I think.

Posted by: The Real Tattoo at September 23, 2010 09:31 PM (+bMtX)

--I'd argue that the causal arrow goes the other way.

417 416 Fiscal Conservatism inevitably leads to Social Conservatism...

Posted by: The Real Tattoo at September 23, 2010 09:31 PM (+bMtX)

Interesting insight.  I think the common thread there is personal responsibility.

Posted by: Mary in LA at September 23, 2010 09:32 PM (JYxmy)

I think ace has made the point before that often times the guy the claims to be the social liberal but a fiscal conservative, sure does seem to fuck us over on those times when fiscal conservatism is needed. 

Now sure you're probably right that taking fiscally conservative routes will lead to socially conservative paths as well but a lot of the guys touting how fiscally conservative they are, are full of shit.

418 419 I agree.Exhibit A:Huckabee.

419 Posted by: The Real Tattoo at September 23, 2010 09:31 PM (+bMtX)

I can't agree with you more about the need for fiscal conservatism, but, once again, How does endorsing Cap and Tax even come close to a fiscally conservative idea?

 There is no greater example of a contrived problem and solution than cap and trade. It has always been based on maximizing government receipts for no intrinsic value! 

It is the major league version of  the tobacco company settlement that all the states AG's patted themselves on the back for.

That wasn't about making the tobacco companies pay for cancer, it was about lining the states pockets with tobacco cash.  The pay off was even based on future tobacco sales. Nothing but a huge back door tax on the poor.

Cap and tax will be a huge tax on every segment of the economy.

I can't see getting behind that.

420
Why do we need to give in to Christy? Sure he's a fiscal conservative, but if he wants to be a major player he needs to re-think some of his positions.

That's a good point...if he had, ya know, actually said he was interested in being a major player.  And basically you, and Levin, are saying that to be so he needs to blow you.  Essentially you, and small minded people like you, are saying that guys like Christie need to toe *my fucking line* or they are shit.

Sorry, I think the fiscal danger to this nation is a wee hair more important then your soc-con agenda.  Not that there isn't a threat...but let's be certain what dyke we're sticking a finger into to prevent the flood.

421 Levin is great, Levin is right - Bullshit.

Now is not the time.  Now is not the time.

The races are set, the candidates are in, now let's win.

And if Christie can help win a close one in California, get off his case.

Go after '12 later.

422

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2010 09:27 PM (WGjBM)

 

the liberal Boston Globe said 6,000... 

anyhow the point was she couldn't campaign in the NE.  The boston event proves that wrong.  she turned up a very big crowd in one of the bluest states with no major counter protest to speak off.   Any candidate running for congress or the senate would love to have 3,000-6,000 people show up for an event  they were a part of.   she would bring them money and votes. ...

  

where I live the black population says Obamacare is the greatest thing since slice bread.  your point? ....

 

Or are you using the " I don't know how Nixon won. I don't know anyone who voted for him" defense?

 

 

423 #400 - I read your original post and get a better understanding of what you're saying.  I think that the conservative base has proven their point in a very convincing fashion.  There is no need to go after Chris Christie.  Deal with him when he runs for national office and starts polling well, but right now he is doing awesome work in a blue state. 

What Levin does is an overreaction.  You explain, very well, why he overreacts but I still don't see why Christie is the target.  I'd also like to know who Levin proudly and loudly advocated in the 2008 primary.  I'd just like to hear who all these radio voices wanted in 2008.  By the time it got to my state my choices were McCain and Huckabee, and I heard a lot about who they didn't like but didn't hear anyone staking their reputation on any of the candidates.

424 okay, I am not a 'purity conservative' myself, I'm willing to tolerate different voices as long as we all move in a generally conservative direction.  So I'm having some difficulty understanding some of the vitriol towards Chris Christie.  He's definitely moving NJ more conservative than Corzine did, that's for sure. To those of you who think he isn't "pure" enough: is your fear that even if he is a RINO, if he has a successful term as governor, that will be enough to launch him onto the national stage and we'll have to suffer through his RINOism?  Is it the idea that it's better not to entertain the idea of accepting RINOs into our midst because that only gives them a platform that will only be used later to do damage to conservatism generally?

425 425 She can campaign in the NE.Her supporters will be the minority though.That's a fact.

426 Posted by: garrett at September 23, 2010 09:33 PM (btcwG)

Exactly. Short, to the point and accurate. Very well said.

427 I think I noticed about 32 minutes of commercials (I count news and traffic as commercials) recently in the daytime program on 1380.

Yeah,there are about four ten-minute  sweet-spots, per hour, on broadcast radio nowadays.

On the hour,  and on the half hour, you just know you are going to get screwed with at least 10min. of "news".

The trick is, to tune in on the 7 minute mark.

Once you suss out the 7 minutes between soft breaks, you will be golden.

428 I like Christie, he's not perfect but he's about as good as you're going to get in NJ. I also think he is good for conservatism in the Northeast, and I'm glad he stood up for Whitman, I think it helps her.

429 I can't agree with you more about the need for fiscal conservatism, but, once again, How does endorsing Cap and Tax even come close to a fiscally conservative idea?

Well I think you can make a libertarian (more like liberaltarian) argument for something like Cap and Tax, on the basis of requiring people to pay for their externalities that they unwittingly cause by emitting carbon.  This of course, however, assumes that CO2 is in fact an externality that requires compensation, and that the government is a reasonable steward for the money.  I don't buy those two assumptions so I don't go for Cap and Tax on a purely philosophical level.  And then there's the whole power-grab argument.

430 check "conservatives with attitude".. and you can see some of the reason why a lot of people like Christie for soundbites and some conservative stances, but you can see why some people are saying hes not a perfect conservative..

but hes among the best you're going to get in the Blue Tri-State regionj.

431 She can campaign in the NE.Her supporters will be the minority though.That's a fact.

Posted by: steevy at September 23, 2010 09:44 PM

I would agree with that statement.  Just like christie or mitt could campaign in the south, southwest, west and midwest  but their supporters would be the minority.  My entire point was Ace stated there was large sections of the country she could not campaign in which is simply not true.

 

 

432 How does endorsing Cap and Tax even come close to a fiscally conservative idea?>>>>> It doesn't. However, unless Christie is a governor frm a coal producing state, his stance on C&T (to me) is about as relevant as his stance on a missle reduction treaty. Also, to those who say the social conservatism leads to fiscal conservatism instead of the other way around (as my sock puppet argued), I do agree with that order as it pertains to the lives of citizens. For government, on the other hand, I believe in my original order, since the government's premier obligations are more fiscal than social. I can't expand on that at this time since I'm typing on my phone in a bar, but I believe the government's day-to-day responsibilities are inverse to ours. Finally, I'd like to thank Patron for making these thoughts possible...

433 Or are you using the " I don't know how Nixon won. I don't know anyone who voted for him" defense?

Yeah, I'm frigging Pauline Kael over here.  It's not like I know anything about the political climate of the region I've lived in for 20 years or anything.

BTW, 6,000 people?  Impressive, but still only 1% of the population of Boston, .09% of the population of Massachusetts.

434 "okay, I am not a 'purity conservative' myself, I'm willing to tolerate different voices as long as we all move in a generally conservative direction.  So I'm having some difficulty understanding some of the vitriol towards Chris Christie."

What vitriol?  The only vitriol in this thread has been directed at those imaginary "purity police" who have apparently been bashing Christie.

435 Finally, I'd like to thank Patron for making these thoughts possible...

Posted by: joejm65 at September 23, 2010 09:54 PM (+bMtX)

You won't be thanking me tomorrow.

436 I love mark levin. I love chris christie. It's like chocolate and peanut butter. mmmmm,mmmmmm, mmmmmm barack insane obama

437

but I believe the government's day-to-day responsibilities are inverse to ours. Finally, I'd like to thank Patron for making these thoughts possible...

 

Well they have been for the last 100 years or so  which is pretty much the problem.

 

 

438

#426 - go listen to him - his episodes are available on podcast, going back that far I believe.

 

I haven't listened that far back, but maybe I will.

439 And yes, Palin can campaign up here, but she'll be less effective in the Northeast than in other regions of the country.  In some parts of the country, Palin is more a liability to candidates than an asset, though.

440 Posted by: chemjeff at September 23, 2010 09:47 PM (E97ku)

That's my point, it isn't about fixing anything, it's about money and power.

That being said, that is my reason to despise Cap and Tax. I don't despise Governor Christie. I think he's the best thing that has happened in his state for a long time. I just don't think he is right for national office, and I don't think you can brand him as the trademark of the fiscal conservative.

441 Levin needs to stop skewering Christie when the C. isn't running. Besides, looking to 2012 isn't helpful right now. We have a Marxist in the WH who needs to be stopped, we have the candidates to do it, and I'm hopeful we'll be able to push-back if people get out there and vote. 2010 before 2012. 

442 Levin is just looking for ratings.

443 He's really getting on my last nerve with his Endless Purge act.

Chris Christie is the Republican governor of NJ.  Jim DeMint is the duly elected Senator of South Carolina.

I think Christie is fulfilling the expectations of New Jersey's electorate and Senator DeMint is doing the job he was hired to do in South Carolina.  Why Mark Levin is engaging in some intra-party knifework at this point in time is curious since the 2012 primary cycle will depend very much on how the mid-terms pan out.

No doubt the northeast conservatives are grateful for whatever they can get in their liberal hell-holes, but for most of the country\s conservatives, the Chris Christie line is the ante, not the pot.

444 BTW, 6,000 people?  Impressive, but still only 1% of the population of Boston, .09% of the population of Massachusetts.

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2010 09:54 PM (WGjBM)

How does that compare to Mitt and Christie rallies in the region?  Not being funny would like to know. 

I know Mitt was able to get 50 people to come for free pizza in Va  but I don't know how he does in his home state. 

 

445 And yes, Palin can campaign up here, but she'll be less effective in the Northeast than in other regions of the country.  In some parts of the country, Palin is more a liability to candidates than an asset, though.

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2010 09:56 PM (WGjBM)

 

Yes, I keep hearing that from the MSM and people like Ace  but then  you have DE.  DE, where Christie was not able to help Castle win but Palin was able to help O'Donnell.  

If she is more of a liability to candidates in the NE should O'donnell not have lost to Castle?

or is that more of a narrative made up out of thin air by the MSM and Mitt supporters  who wanted to keep Palin out of the Va, NJ and MA races  in 2009/2010  to limit her power within the Gop? 

Her endorsements also helped two NY congress candidates get elected  in their primaries and then there was Ny 23  and how her endorsement helped Hoffman surge. 

It seems the evidence does not support the narrative. 

 

 

446

I understand the emotional reaction against squishy positions on the part of popular Republicans.  We've been butt hurt by RINOs so often that it's an easy trap to fall into - lashing out at any symptoms of weakness.  Never in my life have I seen a politician hard right enough for my taste (not even the glorious Reagan), so it's a constant nagging irriation.

That said, all elections are nothing more than a choice of evils.  You go into the booth and pull the lever for the lesser evil and call it a day, hoping for the best.  Christy is a pretty damn good "evil" to be stuck with, considering that his state is INCAPABLE of producing a hard core conservative in the primary.  There could have been no better options.  If he tries to run for president, that's when we can politely say "no thanks."  IF there is someone better.  And lately that seems like a pretty damn big IF.  I'm pretty far right, but there is no way I'd pick the Huckster over Christy.  Buffoonery should lose you points - no matter how conservative you are otherwise.  

Besides - the prez doesn't make the laws.  He can sign 'em or veto 'em, but he doesn't write them.  The danger of Christy's squishiness is limited, so long as congress is under control.  There are bigger worries.

447 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 23, 2010 09:57 PM (Yq+qN)

That really is the point in a nutshell, isn't it?  We have an election that might be the most important one we will see, let's worry about winning it. The primaries are over, anyone supporting our side are the good guys. Let's worry about pointing out their poorer qualities at a more appropriate time. Winning now is our only option.

448 How does that compare to Mitt and Christie rallies in the region?  Not being funny would like to know.

Who cares?  You brought up crowd size.  My point is that one's ability to draw a crowd in a particular city doesn't exactly equal general popularity in the region.  Christie doesn't need to hold rallies - he's already won and is getting stuff done.

449 Who cares?  You brought up crowd size.  My point is that one's ability to draw a crowd in a particular city doesn't exactly equal general popularity in the region.  Christie doesn't need to hold rallies - he's already won and is getting stuff done.

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2010 10:11 PM (WGjBM)

 

No it doesn't equal general popularity  but it does show an ability to campaign in that region.  Which was the point of Ace's post  which I was responding too.   

450 Posted by: the Maine girls at September 23, 2010 08:17 PM (rMMMP)

I've had too many Black&Tans to know whether you are agreeing with me or mocking me, but I laughed when I read it, so...thanks!

451 Heeeeeeeeeeey!  What's happnin' everybody?

Anybody else know why I feel a burning nostalgia for the hours I spent arguing with my cousins over who was the cutest New Kid on the Block?

452 Levin is warning against those who are pushing Christie for the next POTUS.  Christie is great in a blue state, but would be Bush all over again in the Federal sphere.  There are far better options for a conservative country to pick.

453 #449 Besides - the prez doesn't make the laws.  He can sign 'em or veto 'em, but he doesn't write them.

We're about to see a test of that constitutional premise in 2011.  My bet is that Obama goes hard for regulatory rule.

454 #441 - we can listen, and maybe I'm proven wrong with Levin since I only listen to him when I have a day off and/or am traveling.  The point is that I know talk show hosts generally didn't like Huckabee, and they didn't like McCain.  So I guess implicitly that means they prefered Romney, though I didn't hear too many radio hosts say it.  Maybe Levin did.   If Levin says he wanted Romney no matter what, then I will stand corrected, but I'll have to say there are things in Romney's record that give me more pause than with Christie or Pawlenty, to name 2 other RINO examples.  It's a hell of a lot easier to sit behind a microphone and berate everybody, rather than given anybody explicit support, that's for sure.  I'm starting to think that is what is happening. Christie supported Castle, but has he said anything since?  What spurred this on?  I might be missing something.  I can't listen to Levin regularly.

455 If you listen to the clip, all Levin did is state the very obvious: 1. Christie is in a league of his own when it comes to taking on public sector unions. 2. He's squishy on a host of non-budgetary-related issues. What he's saying *Ace* is Christie isn't necessarily the slam-dunk for the GOP '12 ticket some conservatives want hiim to be based on said drop-dead awesome YouTube hits. He's not out to purge the guy from the GOP. Geez.

456 What he's saying *Ace* is Christie isn't necessarily the slam-dunk for the GOP '12 ticket some conservatives want hiim to be based on said drop-dead awesome YouTube hits.

He's not out to purge the guy from the GOP. Geez.

Posted by: Dan Cleary at September 23, 2010 10:29 PM (enR4Q)

 

Agreed. 

457 #455 - But can't we wait until the 2012 primaries to have that conversation?

458 Levin repeatedly says he has no interest in a purge, just in having the representation reflect the conservative majority in the Republican membership.  It's not hard to understand is it?

459
Worrying about Christie's opinions in things like the Victory Mosque is like worrying whether the doctor who's treating you in the ER after you've been smashed up an in auto accident is a conservative. The fact is, the nation's economy is at death's door, and we need a tough, hard-assed doctor to keep it alive. Everything else - and I do mean *everything* else - is secondary.

460 #460  I suppose so, but it wasn't Levin who started talking about Christie for 2012.

461 460 #455 - But can't we wait until the 2012 primaries to have that conversation?

Posted by: Dave S. at September 23, 2010 10:32 PM (UvR6d)

 

which start in about 40 days

 

462 I'm from Jersey and I got big respect for Christie (a.k.a. Da Gov'nor).

But I'm surprised at how many people are dumping on Levin (a.k.a Da Great One).

I listen to Levin's podcast daily.  He knows his job--to encourage the base, to get the facts straight, and to
demonstrate how to dump on liberals.  Levin is General Patton and Patton only wants two things-- to crush the Left and to save the country.

He was one of the first real 'Tea Party' Talk Show Activists before it was popular.  Go read Liberty and Tyranny and take note that Levin was writing this stuff before Obama was elected.

I campaigned for Christie and will gladly do so again.  He's a conservative on fiscal issues and most social issues.  He's definitely the best governor I've ever seen in N.J.   But I am by no means fooled into thinking that Christie is the One.

Levin simply does not want us to settle for less that a full-blown conservative victory on all fronts.

Now get off my phone you big dupe!

463 He can't carry the South. He would need a running mate that could carry the South in spite of him. Maybe he could be SP's VP pick.  Then if she wins he could do a George HW Bush if she Reagan's.

464 >>>Christie's positions now on illegal immigration policy and Obamacare, for example, are "nuanced." That's probably politically savvy in NJ but not confidence-building as a conservative matter. Those two issues, if decided moderately or liberally, would be catastrophically expensive. That undermines an economic hawk's argument for fiscal responsibility. I don't like his positions here, or sort of dodged non-positions, but bear in mind, these issues are outside his ambit, and he's got a shitload on his table. Yes, he could talk about thihgs over which he has no direct resposibility, and help the greater (national) cause, but I don't think it's an awful thing to lie low on these things and do his frickin' job. Where is he really on these issues? Probably where he says he is. But, again, it's not really his job to think about them too hard so who knows what would happen if he had to. But yeah, as he stands, not a great national candidate... I just don't see why snipe at the guy when he's out on the trail helping R's get elected. Oh wait, some people don't want R's elected, just strong rock-ribbed Republicans, even when none are actually running.

465 Fuck Levin. Christie is out on a campaign tour for other candidiates running in 2010.  What is Levin doing, except running his mouth?  Get your ass out in the bush or shut the fuck up.

466 Ace: "But yeah, as he stands, not a great national candidate... I just don't see why snipe at the guy when he's out on the trail helping R's get elected."

For Levin the snipes are pretty tepid. There's "sniping" and then there's sniping. So far his critique rates about a two on the Eleventy!! meter. Could be that with three hours a day of air time, you kinda end up saying controversial stuff - or that he did so just to get ratings. Who knows.

I think this is just one of those times when Christie's YouTube presence has been ginning up timely interest in him as the national leader which invites some hyper-inflated (which would be premature) praise. Christie surely isn't trumping all this stuff up on his own and he's saying the right things about his desire to remain committed to NJ. That's good. Keeping focus will serve him well and slow down the Christie Train to D.C. even if surrogates act as proxy engineers. Levin's just saying, "Whoa, now," as events drive the narrative.

As far as Christie's glad-handing and campaigning in blue-purple states for Republicans, great. He's a fine ambassador in this political transition phase and doing yeoman's work.

467

I think Christie is really a conservative on most issues. Most of the time when he takes a "moderate stance", he's actually not taking a stance at all. On immigration and the mosque, for instance, he mostly just called for civility and not making too much out of an issue. I believe Christie does support some path to citizenship, but that is not the same as amnesty. Sometimes conservatives distory anyone not down for mass deportings.

 That said, running in NJ...what issues are best for him to be "moderate" on? Issues that don't matter in fucking New Jersey. On everything that DOES matter in NJ, he has been conservative. Even on social issues. Are you guys aware he recently cut off state funding for Planned Parenthood? How awesome is that? On that, all cons unite...except abortion extremists who think it should be federally funded. His "stances" on certain issues bother people, but where the fuck have ANY of his ACTIONS been moderate or liberal(except the endorsement of a guy you don't like in DE)? It's not there. And actions mean more than words. Seriously, even Rudy actually passed gun restrictions. Christie hasn't done this. Maybe he believes in it, but I prefer to judge actions.

 

 

468 470
Sorry, couldn't understand you with Levin's dick in your mouth.

469 Massachusetts State Rep. Jeff Perry (R-MA)

Says Sarah Palin "is an entertainer".

That's fine, I say you're a fucktard. Apparently this jackoff missed that whole Governor thing up there in Alaska.

I swear, unless and until I see a Ronaldus Magnus tattoo on these "republicans" from Mass., they ALL fucking RINOs. And stupid ones at that.

Why the hell would you just hand ammunition to the libs like that in an election year like this?

470 Levin repeatedly says he has no interest in a purge

And yet he's the one instigating it. If this were Salem, he'd be lighting charcoal.

471 is Lazio really running again?  he will cost Paladino the governorship.

In NY state, the Conservative Party has a legitimate presence, and to maintain it, their candidate needs at least 50,000 votes. Paladino will lose, even without Lazio in the race. The poll all thee sites started trumpeting was an outlier, yet nobody said so. Paladino would love some fundraising, except his platform in the primaries was, "I am a crazy asshole who will spend $10 million of my own money to defeat Cuomo." He doesn't need the money. He is also a vile, racist POS, and even an R by his name doesn't change that.

472 Mark Levin is the biggest bag of syphilitic dicks to come down the pike since Erick Bloated Fuck Erickson himself.  His lies already helped to blow one Senate race; now that he's tasted blood he wants more scalps.  Levin's on a full-bore witch-hunt now (which is ironic now that we've found out he picked the wrong target of his most recent one).

I can't even believe the worthless nasal gasbag is opening his mouth on this one, though.  Christie's a guy who made it into office and is now doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign -- fighting, in his little corner of America, one of the biggest problems we've got.  Mark Levin, on the other hand, gets on the radio every day to run his braying mouth for a few hours, telling the people on the front lines who are actually working that they're doing it wrong.

Conservatism is a doctrine of ideas with an objective of accomplishment.  It is not a movement of dumbed-down reactionary emo-fucks like Levin and Christine O'Donnell who get their rocks off by purging, purging, purging until they've eliminated as many of their own allies as possible.  If scumbags like this are our new conservative guideposts then we might as well pack it in now.

473 Quilly Mammoth: "Sorry, couldn't understand you with Levin's dick in your mouth."

You wouldn't understand what I wrote if your mom mimed it with hand puppets.

474 He's not out to purge the guy from the GOP. Geez.

The hell he's not.  This is just Levin's opening salvo.  After all, we all know that Chris Christie is nothing but a dirty, dirty RINO.  Hell, he endorsed Mike Castle, which ought to put an end to his career right there, amiright??

475 The Great One has the commanding moniker and voice to play Moses in a Ten Commandments remake.

476

He was speaking about Presidential politics. He said so. More than this site does when they are trying to persuade you.

I love Chris Christie. His videos make me cheer out loud. On physcal policy there is no one better currently in government. He is a great Gov of NJ. Not so great as President . Where does he stand on guns, foreign policy, social issues, etc?

His instincts on these seem well sorta Connecticut. That won't play in large swaths of the country. Swaths that any Republican needs to win to win the Presidency. Those are the swaths Sarah excels in and Christie doesn't.

477

Hell, if you folks want to see a real whiner in action, I can give you no better display than Mike Church.

I used to like the guy, but it seems like lately, he's determined to attack anyone not an absolute PaleoConservative as a 'DeceptiCon' threat to the Republic.  Giving Hannity a nose-tweak over Rove's antics?  OK.  Calling Glenn Beck a 'hack' because they disagree on their respective opinions on Tea Party tactics?  Not very nice.  Calling Sarah Palin a "DeceptiCon" who's "wrapping her tentacles" around the Tea Party?  I think King Dude has done spun a bearing.

Granted, none of these folks are 100% Constitutional conservatives, but shit!  It must be terribly lonely for Mr. Church up there on the peak of Mt. Olympus.  Compared to Church, Levin is the heart and soul of the Conservative Ascendency.

478 Enough. It's a Jersey thing. When you spend your life breathing petro-chemicals, having to do in 10 minutes what others get an hour to do, and take lip from New York and Philadelphia, you develop a certain "I don't have time for your ___" attitude which 99.99% of politicians lack. Some might refer to it as the things you dip in pudding. If you don't get it, stay out of the Garden State. You wouldn't last five minutes here. I like Mark Levin, but he's just not Jersey grown.

479 If you can't support them, at least try the 11th commandment on for size.

Posted by: fluffy at September 23, 2010 08:10 PM (SwkdU)

When people start calling others RINO, they are saying that courtesy extends one way only. When Christine O'Donnell can run against Coons instead of the "establishment" who has bent over backwards to kiss her ass or Karl Rove, I will take her seriously.

480

Yes, I keep hearing that from the MSM and people like Ace  but then  you have DE.  DE, where Christie was not able to help Castle win but Palin was able to help O'Donnell.  

If she is more of a liability to candidates in the NE should O'donnell not have lost to Castle?

or is that more of a narrative made up out of thin air by the MSM and Mitt supporters  who wanted to keep Palin out of the Va, NJ and MA races  in 2009/2010  to limit her power within the Gop? 

Her endorsements also helped two NY congress candidates get elected  in their primaries and then there was Ny 23  and how her endorsement helped Hoffman surge. 

It seems the evidence does not support the narrative. 

 

 

Posted by: unseen at September 23, 2010 10:07 PM (aVGmX)

I don't mean to pick on you because you're by far not the only one I've seen advancing this point, but can we please remember that primaries are not the same as general elections?

481 I agree with War here. Levin is just starting the sniping now so he can warm up the drive him from the GOP if Christie decides to run for President.

I'm going to beat a dead horse some more here, because it's relevant:  A month or two ago, almost nobody outside of Delaware had ever heard of Mike Castle.  The guy was no conservative by any stretch, but if he was anything close to the level of Lindsey Graham/John McCain-ism he was made out to be by O'Donnell and her acolytes -- a crusading, backstabbing liberal just waiting for the chance to pull a Jim Jeffords -- he'd have been infamous among conservatives a very long time ago (this guy was in the House for 18 years) and this primary race would have been a rallying cry for conservatives from the moment he announced his candidacy a year ago.  But no one had ever heard of him.  He was your average, anonymous squish who'd have been content to serve the last four years of a Senate term as an average, anonymous squish.

Castle lost in part because Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Rush himself (as sorry as I am to say it, because I've always loved Rush), and everyone else in their little circle-jerk were so determined to prop up their favored professional candidate, someone with very little of substance to recommend her beyond guest-hosting Hannity's TV show (but I contradict myself), they were willing to make up a record for him that wasn't even true.  This was the most damning and hateful thing about the campaign against him -- before it was over, they'd convinced who knows how many people that Castle had voted for everything from ObamaCare to card check to voting to impeach George W. Bush.  (This was on top of the O'Donnell campaign's gay-rumor smears and suggestions that he was sending out campaign operatives to attack her, from her own bushes, no less.)  Levin was at the vanguard of these total lies.  Hannity retracted one or two of his own, er, mischaracterizations; Rush didn't and I very much doubt Levin did.  Castle was made an object lesson in the power of conservative kingmakers to defame and destroy, when they so choose.  It was sickening beyond belief.

Mark Levin has a nice little side-gig going slandering people.  Castle can tell you all about it.  Glenn Beck can tell you all about it; Levin's been accusing Beck of plagiarizing his books for a couple of years now without producing a single shred of evidence.  Why would it stop with them?  Chris Christie, now, ought to be wary of this, for he now seems to have as an enemy this man with very few morals or ethics; after all, when it comes to saving the country from these filthy RINOs, and believe me, Great Americans, we're "finding" more of them all the time, what's a few lies among friends?

482 If she is more of a liability to candidates in the NE should O'donnell not have lost to Castle?

On the one hand, the PPP poll right before the primary says 52% of DE hates Palin. But then for week we heard how she was a kingmaker on a winning streak. Everybody loves a winner, and we're just coming out of the primary and seeing encouraging polls in other races. So, Palin's minority support in the Republican party recklessly pushed for O'Donnell in a closed primary. They said sending a message to RINOs was more important than winning or taking back the Senate. To moderates in DE, Christie's endorsement might have meant something, but those were the pragmatists.

483 I always thought Levin was a blathering jackass. What's new?

484 I listened to the audio clip and Levin didn't say anything at all unreasonable. He's simply saying don't elevate Christie too fast, until we know if he's an across the board conservative or not. Frankly that's why I voted for Lonegan in the gubernatorial primary rather than Christie. But so far so good, I'm loving the Gov! He's much much better than I ever expected, and I'm tremendously excited about him and hopeful we find that he's across the board conservative.

485

Squishy or not he's likely done more work for the Delaware Republican Party than anyone still alive today. Turning him into some sort of mystical Leahy-Jeffords-Chaffee clone with an R next to his name (which is about what I heard from the likes of Levin) was just sad.

As your man ponders a write in campaign.

RINO is as RINO does.

486 As your man ponders a write in campaign.
RINO is as RINO does.

Guess that makes Christine O'Donnell a RINO then, per the write-in Senate campaign she ran in 2006 after losing the GOP nomination.

Maybe Levin's right after all... they're everywhere!! 

487 Wut most o' U coastal biatches don't get is that:
1. Illegal means illegal
2. Re-election probably means "f**k most voters"
3. A lot of you are pansy fools. That's why U nevah moved. Can you say, "blizzard"? I don't think you can. Exposed flesh freezes in seconds.
4. If you want us to bail-out your fag compromises, we will come for you with lots of b****ts.

488 Posted by: Wayang Kulit at September 24, 2010 01:26 AM (XB6Qf)

Hi there!

489 You know, this isn't the first time Levin has been a whiny bitch. When he's not on these purge-binges, he's great. Nobody rants on libs like he does. But then, nobody rants on our own like he does either. Those of us who supported McCain for President even BEFORE he picked Sarah Palin for VP will remember just how vicious he was then. It's really no different now, except for the fact that Christie isn't running for President yet. If/when he does, WATCH OUT - Levin will be on the warpath all over again. This cannibal schtick of his is really, REALLY getting old. Also, ditto to #487-490.

490

Guess that makes Christine O'Donnell a RINO then, per the write-in Senate campaign she ran in 2006 after losing the GOP nomination.

Her Republican opponent, Jan Ting, endorsed Obama in 2008 and quit the republican party. I guess she knew something you don't.

491 Her Republican opponent, Jan Ting, endorsed Obama in 2008 and quit the republican party. I guess she knew something you don't.

Sorry, I forgot witches can see the future in their crystal balls. 

492

Sorry, I forgot witches can see the future in their crystal balls.

Funny and very unifying but no crystal ball needed. RINO is as RINO does.

I get it you like republicans who like Obama. I don't.

493

Mark Levin has written some of the best conservative books I've ever read.  They're well-reasoned, well-researched, and written in temperate, measured, carefully considered language.

Mark Levin has written some of the best articles, both in print, and on line, that I've ever read.  They're well-reasoned, well-researched, and written in temperate, measured, carefully considered language.

Mark Levin, on the radio, sounds like a precocious but spoiled 3rd grader who never gets picked to be on anyone's kick ball team.

494 I get it you like republicans who like Obama. I don't.

Heh.  Okay.  And I get it that you poor suckers for O'Donnell are the most butt-hurt primary winners the country has ever seen and that you in particular are totally devoid of a sense of humor.  C'mon; if you're gonna LOSE you might as well have a few laughs on the way down.... 

495 Repeal, you're a Great American!

496 Quilly mammoth, you're kind a gasping cunt, aren't you? Other people seem to be able to make the connection between social and fiscal conservatism, why can't you? You think turning into a third world shithole is going to do wonders for our bottom line? Are you fucking retarded? When the dems get their permanent majority it won't make a shit how many times you suck Christie's dick. That being said, he's a great fit for NJ, long may he reign there.

497 I saw Levin's malicious and false attacks on Powerline's John Hinderaker and Patterico for daring to disagree with him.

As far as I'm concerned, he is a liar without credibility.  Screw him with Kos' junk.

498  Levin is a warrior and I like that fact he is willing to fight.  Yes, he is loud and quite vicious, but we need berserkers  on our side too.  He just gets frustrated watching the sick twisted lunatics on the other side lie without and repercussion. 

As for him being a liar, dare I say you are not concerned and I won't take your word for it.  He fights with facts and emotion, tending to dismantle his opponents via sledgehammer!  Just ask David Frum, lol.

499 Just listened to the podcast.

Sorry, but Levin's take was pretty mild.

Not at all worth an entire post.

500 Some people are freaking the fuck out, and it ain't Mark Levin.

501 Remember Scott Brown, Remember Scott Brown..... We need to learn to use the politicians for our purpose then throw them away when we are done. Not the other way around. Lets look at New Jerseys budget in a year or so then decide on Chris Cristie. For now he's just our tool.

502 Sorry, Ace, I'm with Levin. After listening to the tape I've come to the conclusion that he didn't whine at all, however you sure sounded a little teary.

Christie's a great governor in New Jersey. DeMint for president in 2012!

503 Well Christie got elected in New Jersey...because he actually represents the people of New Jersey...shocking I know...he is supposed to represent the right wing pundit class...and if he does not make Levin happy then he must be doing something wrong. Screw the voters. Who cares about them?

And it is not just Levin who is pulling this crap either. I don't even listen to half these guys on the radio anymore because all they do is boss everyone else around.

Tedious and self important.

504 Cap and Trade, as well as immigration are two very important issues. Christie is the best we could hope for in New Jersey, but he is not the best we could hope for nationwide.

505 Great point Terrye, but what is he doing in California? And telling Delaware whats best for them? Lets just hold back and see the final result. It seems we are just looking for our Obama and that's a big mistake.That is basicaly what Mark Levin said. It wasn't a rabid foam at the mouth rant, although they are good too.

506 Chrisiite is the real deal. He speaks in a blunt yet charismatic style that will appeal to a large (pun intended) swath of the American public.. Christie for Godfather,,,er POTUS!

507

It's as though there's a whole list of positions that Christie has to embrace in order to become part of the club, or something.

It's as though Levin is a progressive Democrat.

508 Um, committed suicide?

Posted by: The Real Tattoo at September 23, 2010 09:19 PM (+bMtX)

The happiest time of his life was possibly filming The Man with the Golden Gun. It was like honey in the sandwich between an insecure past and an uncertain future. The real Tattoo, Hervé Villechaize, had been living in his car before then. However, he was also an active member of a movement in 1970s and 1980s CA to deal with child abuse and neglect, often going to crimes scenes himself to help comfort abuse victims. Villechaize's former co-workers recalled that despite his stature, he would often confront and chastise spousal and child abusers when he arrived at crime scenes.

He was a problem on Fantasy Island, constantly propositioning woman and demanding a salary equal to Ricardo Montalban's. The show's popularity waned after this move, and it was soon canceled. According to his former butler in an episode of E! Hollywood True Story, Villechaize never got over losing his job, and for the remainder of his life practiced an often nightly ritual of drinking in a darkened room while screaming obscenities at an episode of Fantasy Island playing on his television. Poor little guy drank too much Val-U-Rite and fell into depression. He pulled a gun on his agent before turning it on himself.

509 Re: Christie's alleged RINOism-- Politics is the art of the possible, not of being as pure as possible. Christie's priority is to set NJ on the right financial road. Not only is the state nearly bankrupt, but we have the combined tax rate in the nation, and our unemployment rate is 1.4% higher than New York's. Christie not only governs a blue state with very powerful unions, and very powerful and corrupt Democratic machines, but he also has to deal with a Dem majority legislature --the next election is 2011. On those issues where he doesn't tow the straight conservative line--he doesn't go around campaigning for them, either. If you think Christie is a RINO, just compare him to the previous Republican governor, Christie Whitman, who cut taxes, but then spent like there was no tomorrow, and who declared "Roe v. Wade Day" a state holiday. Re: the mosque. NJ has both the second highest Muslim and second highest Jewish population in the US. The Paterson neighborhood where Arabs danced in the street on 9/11, is almost next door to the mostly Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Passaic Park. Christie isn't campaigning for the mosque--he issued a temporizing statement, saying both sides were using it as a political football. His statement was also strongly critical of Obama's stance on the mosque. I don't like his stance on cap and trade either, but he's got the environmentalists mad at him because he's using the funds to balance the state budget, instead of putting it into more "green' pipe dreams. He's not campaigning for gun control either--he has said that NJ's gun control is adequate, and doesn't need anymore regulation. When Sean Hannity asked him if we'd see the day when every NJ resident could get a license, Christie said it wasn't politically possible with a Dem legislature. He also said that he supports "common sense legislation that would allow people to protect themselves." So he's not a hard-charging RINO, actively pushing for bad stuff. He's straddling the fence on some issues, so he can accomplish the most important things, despite all the obstacles he's facing. And he's doing a damn good job.

510 Levin is Right!!

Levin has been around for a long time and he can smell a future valedictorian RINO from 5 miles.  I judge a tree by its fruit. 

Christie was for Castle
Christie is for illegal immigration
Christie is for Cap and Tax
Christie has YET to support any Tea Party candidate (and he never will due to the fact that he is a fake conservative)
Christie refuse to join other attorney generals in fighting against ObamaCare mandate

Christie is excellent for New Jersey and I support him, only as a New Jersey Governor.  He is absolutely not a rock star and definitely not a Constitutional conservative or Presidential material.

The Tea Party is successful because it's leaderless.  IMO, I refuse to be unified with a current or future RINO, which is why I refuse to make pledge concerning the House "Pledge."  I have already made a pledge on the Founding Fathers document(s).  I don't need to make any more pledges.

Thanks but no thanks, I will pass on the Jim "Christie" Jones kool-aid.  I will not be duped. 





 

511 Levin is a douche nozzle of the first order.  He has such a hard on for whining about Glenn Beck, it is hard to listen to him for the good content that he does have.

512 Doug,

I agree.  When Levin starts ranting about Glenn, I just ignore and fast forward his podcast.

513

Yeah, Christie's weak on abortion too -- except that he just stopped making NJ taxpayers pay for the effin' things.  In New Jersey!

514 #525, He cut funding for ONE PP site. Don't get too excited. #23, I wish everyone woudl read like you did......here's some reportage from my hometown paper, the Trentonian-today."Christie accepts $112 million in FedFunds to help "foreclosure" victims......better print those forms in Spanish....... He also has taken $144 million in FedFunds to pay got NJ's "uninsurables" He applied for $400 million for Race to the top, actually expecting Uhhhbama to take the app seriously and NOT use it to make CC look the fool. Sorry, I love the guy as well, but living here in NJ I look a little deeper.........sadly, he is not exhibiting conservativne values when he RUNS TO THE FED for $$$$$............... Dammit, can't we ever just say........Piss up a rope, DC we'll do it ourselves!!!!!

515 Say what you want about Christie. But, oooooo baby, he 's got that thang goin', that thang that makes a guy melt. He's got that thang that makes you light the candles and play my records to set the mood. Baby........

516 #527--You're wrong. Christie eliminated a PP subsidy of $7.5 MILLION!. It's PP that decides what to close, and so far, they've only closed that one center. They probably have enough cash of their own to keep the others going--when the Feds give you over three hundred million every year, the NJ cut won't hurt that much. But it's the most Christie can do--and as a NJ taxpayer, I'm thrilled. New Jerseyans pay more per capita to the IRS than every state except Connecticut. On the other hand, when you look at a list of how many federal dollars the states get back, New Jersey comes in dead last. We get back 61 cents per dollar. Mississippi gets back $2.02 for every dollar it pays. So if Christie repatriates a little more of what I pay Washington, I'm not going to get upset--not when the state would otherwise be looking at bankruptcy.

517 Pro-illegal immigration
Pro-9/11 Victory Mosque
Pro Cap and Trade ....

... I've seen enough.

He's great on fiscal issues in the state of NJ, and his work their should be appreciated.  But I don't want him to run nationally, and won't vote for him based on his other positions listed above.

518 Glad to see you're as big a retard on the net as you are at funerals Fred. What is it we're supposed to be banning gays from anyway? If you're talking military, sure I'm down with that. I was a rifleman in the Corps so I've probably got a different perspective on that than you.