A moderate muslim was sighted recently riding on the back of the monster in Loch Ness.

Robert Loggia in...

Imam Rauf...Unmosqued!

I wish I could think of something clever to write. I'm just glad I wasn't ejaculated upon in the comments. Like the girl's water bottle in that office.

We know the first, second, and last defense that will be screamed by the left: B-b-but Bush said he was moderate....!

Yeah? And? Bush didn't stake his political future on the man's purported "moderation," either.

Boosh's fault!  Obviously Darth Cheney and the evil boy genius, Karl Turdblossom Rove are responsible for tricking Obama into vouching for this "moderate Muslim". 

This completely settles the GMZ issue for me..

...fap, fap, fap

Reload

...fap, fap, fap

Imam Rauf stars in:

Mosquerade

Defending wahhabism – a puritanical version of Islam that governs Saudi Arabia

Calling for the elimination of Israel by claiming a one-nation state, meaning no more Jewish State.

Defending Bin LadenÂ’s violence

Boosh's fault!

How long is Obama gonna hide behind Bush's skirts?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2010 05:34 PM (0K3p3)

Awww that's cute, you actually believe they'll acknowledge these tapes exist. 

Even if they do acknowledge their existence, they'll turn it into a question about people outrage concerning what's on them  with no coverage on what is actually said on them.  They are very predictable in their maneuverings

Defending wahhabism – a puritanical version of Islam that governs Saudi Arabia

Calling for the elimination of Israel by claiming a one-nation state, meaning no more Jewish State.

Defending Bin LadenÂ’s violence

So? That pretty much makes him a MODERATE mainstream Democrat.

FIFY!

Not shocking or surprising to me at all.  Anyone with a brain at least suspected that.

So how come our super smart president who has to drag along us less gifted people didn't suspect this?

Imam Hussein Obama, Mmmmm, Mmmmm Mmmmm!

Looking at all those flaming skulls this week is giving me an hankering for S'mores!  I may have to go make one!

Does Steve Emerson have the connections to get these tapes on any of the MFM? Will anyone other than the daily ejaculators of this fine site even hear of these tapes? I'm done....for now.

2) Destroy the non-Wahhabist sects by building magnificent community centers that overwhelm and starve out the hole-in-the wall mosques.

that's a really good point. even if the victory mosque had zero intentions as was located further away, it would hurt the little guys. the left should be against the "wal*mart"ing of islam!

So how come our super smart president who has to drag along us less gifted people didn't suspect this?

Because Barack Obama is post racial, post religious, post partisan?  No wait, he's dumber than a post!

Even if they do acknowledge their existence, they'll turn it into a question about people outrage concerning what's on them  with no coverage on what is actually said on them.  They are very predictable in their maneuverings

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2010 05:48 PM (oVQFe)

The leftard douchebags will try to turn it into an issue of how these tapes were obtained.....not what's on them

I bet it doesn't make it to the first section of the NYT.

The leftard douchebags will try to turn it into an issue of how these tapes were obtained.....not what's on them

Nancy Pelosi is already to announce investigations into the leakers next week!

I just had a political orgasm...well, almost!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 20, 2010 05:52 PM (yQWNf)

Yes.  Your tax dollars are at work supporting this terrorist apologist. http://tinyurl.com/2ebt37o

But it is one job created by federal spending, so there's that.

In our war with Islamic terrorism,  which Bush had no problem referring it as, we had to work with muslims from all over the world.  Many of these muslims provided information that prevented further attacks and allowed us our military victories.  I propose non of this would have been possible if Bush had spoken with the rhetoric you wanted him to.

Posted by: polynikes at August 20, 2010 05:48 PM (m2CN7)

First of all, I disagree with your premise.  Muslims work with other muslims (who they want to kill and call all sorts of things) all the time.  Israel has never had many problems finding palestinians to inflitrate, until Israel started to give away more and more and more and potential pali spies got the idea that they might end up on the losing side with Israel.

Secondly, I'm not saying that Bush had to say anything.  If he couldn't speak the truth about islam, then he should have said little or nothing about it.  No one forced him to call it a "religion of peace".  You know how silly it is to call a religion that calls itself "submission" a "religion of peace".

Bush worked on the idea of building up goodwill in the
muslim world, but there is not really such a thing as goodwill in their cultures. 

Totally unsurprising. I can't wait to see the spin on this one.

So how come our super smart president who has to drag along us less gifted people didn't suspect this?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 05:46 PM (Pm5H8

that's such an awesome video

Their intransigence in spite of offense proved definitively that they cared nothing for outreach, so it is a given that the mosk is a sign of Islamic triumphalism and thus, given the "triumph" that all involved have Islamist sympathies, at the least, ties quite likely.

And anyone who couldn't see it is quite the useful idiot.

“As a coach, I always tell my team that you never give up until the last seconds are off the clock.  And team, the game clock is still ticking.”

To quote robtr, WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUCTION, NUMBNUTS?!

The clock is over, for you!!!!  Done. 

Totally unsurprising. I can't wait to see the spin on this one.

Should be a rollicking good time.  I'm starting to think  it would be wise to start investing in Jiffy Pop, Orville Redenbacher, and Snack Pack Pudding.

I see no news here fit to print.

Posted by: Jehu at August 20, 2010 05:57 PM (YkTMO)

What's that supposed to mean?

"The right to free speech is one of America's most sacred rights"

-New meme

Bush couldn't stop himself from spewing that "religion of peace" bullshit, over and over and over, which used to make people turn purple.  Bush was awful in dealing with islam.

Even though, it infuriated me, I'm willing to give him a pass on that to some extent, since a case could be made that it was worth a shot to try and bolster "moderate" muslims and marginalize the "radical' ones, offering the muslim world a chance at freedom and democracy. I view it as due diligence. We gave them a chance, they spit in our faces, and that's that. Game on.

Anyone who's spewing that nonsense at this point, though, is a fucking idiot, including Dubya if he's still at it.

Wow... that's every bit as Unexpected as the last six months of job reports!

No one could've seen this coming, and don't pretend otherwise, wingnuts.  We know your entire argument all along has been that no mosque should ever be built anywhere in the US, and really doesn't relate to this particular mosque, which isn't really on Ground Zero, or this imam, whose name we've suddenly and mysteriously forgotten.

Steve Emmerson must be investigated immediately.

thanks for the headsup. Looking forward to see what "moderation" looks like in a muslim. Probably looks similar to the "moderation" in the form of a Democrat these days.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 05:46 PM (Pm5H8

that's such an awesome video

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at August 20, 2010 05:56 PM

Robert Wilson just died on Sunday.  Too young.

The leftard douchebags will try to turn it into an issue of how these tapes were obtained.....not what's on them

Posted by: beedubya at August 20, 2010 05:52 PM (Q3TFM)

Yeah its never about the actual issue and the controversy it will cause, its about the events surrounding an issue and how they can turn that into a controversy to hide/drown out the real controversy.

Like the Iraqi police stringer for the AP, Jamil Hussein.  When he was being called into question about the information he was giving out, one of the things was "does he even exist."  It was only one issue and once they got an officer to come forward and say he was the source, well that settled it for everyone in the media.  Nevermind that the big issue was he was the only source for reports of violence all over the city of Baghdad, and was the actual problem.  They could focus on see he exists, problem solved.

“As a coach, I always tell my team that you never give up until the last seconds are off the clock.  And team, the game clock is still ticking.”

To quote robtr, WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUCTION, NUMBNUTS?!

The clock is over, for you!!!!  Done. 

Huh?  I was excited about the election too.  The Republican candidate for WA state Senate in my district, Andy Hill was narrowly beating Eric Oeming (yes, that Democrat State Senator who proposed a "nonbinding, symbolic resolution" to impeach George Bush.)  What the heck is going on with Didier?  Did he get hit in the head too many times?  I actually liked him--he was a great speaker at the Bellevue Tea Party.

I've gone back and forth on this. They have a constitutional right to build there. I think it's a sick joke that people are being called racist for opposing a mosque with shady connections 600 feet from the site where Muslim terrorists killed 3000 innocent people less than 10 years ago.

But I am not a Manhattanite. Not a New Yorker. I keep reading polls that say Manhattanites are not opposed to this. To which I'm starting to say "Build it." If the people of Manhattan are so deep in dhimmitude that after the first World Trade Center bombing, the atrocity of 9/11, the attempted Times Square bombing, and God only knows how many other thwarted Muslim terror attacks we'll never know about that they want a mosque originally named after a Western city that Islam conquered for its own (Cordoba), let them live with it. Maybe the crocodile will eat them last. Maybe after the next atrocity in New York, they'll cry "But, but, we let you build a mosque!"

The leftard douchebags will try to turn it into an issue of how these tapes were obtained.....not what's on them

Geez, you hypocritcal wingnuts piss me off! 

I predict a wall of utter denial. The MSM and Democrat boneheads who took the bogus freedom of religion angle will studiously ignore it, and if pressed, insist that it doesn't mean what it means, that it doesn't show those things at all.

Think of the Reverend Wright videos. The crazy-ass shit was right there in plain sight: "God damn America," "AIDS was created in a government lab to kill brown people," etc., etc. Sitting in that church for 20 years should have blown Obama out of the race forthwith, but it didn't. First they ignored it, and when they could no longer ignore it, decided to get leg tingles from Obama's shitty little speech on "The Issue of Race and My Disgusting White Racist Grandmother."

Yeah, that's the ticket. Time for another shitty little speech about the Big Picture.

I think this time it will all fail to work. The tsunami will grow even larger.

He's no more radical than Obama's pastor.

Or my own White Grandmother!

The leftard douchebags will try to turn it into an issue of how these tapes were obtained.....not what's on them

Posted by: beedubya at August 20, 2010 05:52 PM

It's the 'seriousness of the charge' argument. 

But I am not a Manhattanite. Not a New Yorker. I keep reading polls that say Manhattanites are not opposed to this. To which I'm starting to say "Build it." If the people of Manhattan are so deep in dhimmitude that after the first World Trade Center bombing, the atrocity of 9/11, the attempted Times Square bombing, and God only knows how many other thwarted Muslim terror attacks we'll never know about that they want a mosque originally named after a Western city that Islam conquered for its own (Cordoba), let them live with it. Maybe the crocodile will eat them last. Maybe after the next atrocity in New York, they'll cry "But, but, we let you build a mosque!"

Posted by: Palandine at August 20, 2010 06:03 PM (+ho3C)

I'm not from NYC, but I am from the suburbs. However, I can state as a fact that most Manhattanites are not from NYC, they're narcissistic transients with dreams of making it big. I would bet that at least 60% of today's residents of Manhattan did not live there 9 years ago.

>>>I keep reading polls that say Manhattanites are not opposed to this.

What? 63% of New Yorkers say "don't build."

I thought that was for all 5 bouroughs? they split up the responses by area

Should be a rollicking good time.  I'm starting to think  it would be wise to start investing in Jiffy Pop, Orville Redenbacher, and Snack Pack Pudding.

Posted by: runningrn at August 20, 2010 05:59 PM (CfmlF)

I loves me the Redenbacher dry kernals. Toss in a mixture of dry Ranch mix, parmesan and pepper. It's delicioso.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 06:06 PM

Psssssssssstttttttt.  Queens and Staten Island are NOT New York.  Wingnut.

Think of the Reverend Wright videos. The crazy-ass shit was right there in plain sight: "God damn America," "AIDS was created in a government lab to kill brown people," etc., etc.

Citizen, we ask that you refrain from repeating purported statements of Rev. Wright in a public forum.  National security, you see.  The federal goverment appreciates your understanding.  That cute little eight year-old daughter of yours will appreciate it too. 

I loves me the Redenbacher dry kernals. Toss in a mixture of dry Ranch mix, parmesan and pepper. It's delicioso.

I think it's the best popcorn too.  Wow, that sounds really good.  I'm going to have to go out and get some ranch mix now!  Thanks for the tip!

Think of the Reverend Wright videos. The crazy-ass shit was right there in plain sight: "God damn America," ...

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 20, 2010 06:05 PM (w41GQ)

And it must be noted that Wright made that speech only 3 weeks after 9/11.  If America had heard that speech back then, thinking back to how America felt, Trinity would probably be gone.

Islamics and Leftists have so much in common. Most of all -- they just can't shut their mouths long enough to keep the hate from spilling out. And always about the same things.

In a way, they make the perfect enemies.

A couple of incoherant thoughts. First. They are always carrying on about how we've killed so many of their brethren and it's because of this that they want to kill us. Seems to me that more moslems are killed by other moslems than any other group of people. I'm sure that if it was researched that the facts would show this. Second. In my opinion a "moderate" moslem seems to be on the same par as a "moderate" Dem or Repub. Eventually they will gravitate to the radical side of thier true beliefs.

um and to follow up, the people who live on manhattan are insane anyway, based upon limited interaction Posted by: dudeinsantacruz

Not even a shred of irony in that.

are you suggesting that santa cruz is fully of hippies, drug users, batshit leftists, dirty gaia worshipers and just really weird people, and that there is a slogan "Keep Santa Cruz Wierd"? i haven't seen any of what you've mentioned.

;D

Who knows. Guy's always pissed off about something. He should have a blog.

Ha!

Hey, guys, let's settle this with a 'Beer Fear Summit...!'

fify el presidente

@87: "You know how silly it is to call a religion that calls itself "submission" a "religion of peace"."

Hardly.  As soon as you submit, you'll have peace.  So really, it's hardcases like you, who insist on being all al-Harb-y, that are the problem.  Embrace the one, true Faith, and all will be milk and honey, kuffir.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 05:47 PM (Qp4DT)

Our problem with Islam is confined to the doctrines and actions of radical Islamic mainstreamism. 

There is no beer in Islam

That's why Catholicism is so great. We can drink, gamble and cuss.....

...can't wear rubbers though

Any religion that does not like dogs is fucked up and should be destroyed.

Root and branch.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 20, 2010 06:22 PM (yQWNf)

No wonder they're irritated all the time.

Gotta use cayenne pepper on the popcorn.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at August 20, 2010 06:28 PM

She was 6........ wingnut.

Just tell the Irish they can't have any whiskey until Islam is history.

Then get out of their way.

Problem solved.

Wow - shocker.  A muslim who thinks, speaks, and acts like... a muslim.  The exposition of this is, of course, glorious news.  One more red-hot metaphorical poker to jam up Obastard's metaphorical ass.  I will be forwarding this to everyone I know.  Fucking democrat fucks.

As for the right of the muztards to build what they want where they want, that's bunk. 

First, because there's an orthadox church that is not being allowed that right in the same area, and it was pre-existing.

Second, and more importantly, this whole episode does us the service of exposing a serious weakness in the consititution itself.  It should be immediately ammended to exempt Islam from freedom of religious expression.  It is unlike any other religion of significance, in that it is a murder cult.  As long as Islam exists it will produce homocidal maniacs.  They are the slime of humanity, litterally worse than the Nazis.  They should be purged from this nation, then our hemisphere, and finally from existence.

There is no possible way the founding fathers could have imagined that Americans would let these moon rock worshipping pukes to come to this land in any numbers.  For fuck's sake, the Mormons were driven out once upon a time, and even if all the worst made-up shit people have said about them were true, they would still be a million times better neighbors than the muzzies.  If they had even thought it possible, they would have taken action to insure it couldn't happen. 

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2010 06:31 PM (4nbyM)

Why so metaphorical?

Oh wait.

There is no beer in Islam

That's why Catholicism is so great. We can drink, gamble and cuss.....

...can't wear rubbers though

Posted by: beedubya at August 20, 2010 06:27 PM (Q3TFM)

But if you get really drunk its not the easiest thing to get on anyways, let alone remembering one.

Posted by: Proud Gay Republican Buddhist Black Bears at August 20, 2010 05:42 PM (En7xg)

They should be doing what every other red-blooded all-American cheerleading squad does to raise money: bikini carwash.

Rat Patrol at August 20, 2010 06:31 PM

Cut, jib, newsletter.

>"He's no more radical than Obama's pastor."

That's the "good news" the left will tell themselves. The bad news is that he's no more radical than Obama's pastor.

She was 6........ wingnut.

Posted by: Elle E. Light at August 20, 2010 06:30 PM (yQWNf)

Yeah, and as the Hadiths say, they didn't consummate their wedding until she was 9!

Is this really a surprise?    We all know that if he was what the pukebreaths said he was, he wouldn't have been fighting so hard to build the victory mosque at GZ.    Tolerance, my lily white ass.

You know, we just might be able to save our country after all.

Posted by: Dennis Green at August 20, 2010 06:30 PM (k7SeR)

Let's not let 'em off the hook this time.

@191: "There is no beer in Islam."

Honey! It's made from honey!

They should be doing what every other red-blooded all-American cheerleading squad does to raise money: bikini carwash.

Posted by: stuiec at August 20, 2010 06:34 PM (7AOgy)

My son just spent $30.00 getting his car washed 6 times in one day.... Cheerleaders were washing cars.

Damn, quite the active Friday afternoon here. A 700 comment thread and breaking news.  And in the summer as well. 

Glad to see Emerson only teasing this on a Friday and releasing the meat of it next week.

Game. Set. Match on the Hamosque.  This should be the final nail in the coffin.

Egypt?  Check.  Muslim Brotherhood U?  Check.  Imam who gives speeches in English and Arabic?  Check.  Sounds suspiciously similar to other smooth spokesmen who hide sharia and Islamic suprmacism in pleasant-sounding modern psychobabble?  Check.  State Department loves and funds him?  Check.

It would be funny if not so tragic.  How many times will the same people fall for the same crap?  

My son just spent $30.00 getting his car washed 6 times in one day.... Cheerleaders were washing cars.

Posted by: Timbo at August 20, 2010 06:44 PM (ph9vn)

Getting his "car washed"?  Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

/I kid, I kid.

Damn, quite the active Friday afternoon here. A 700 comment thread and breaking news.  And in the summer as well. 

They should be doing what every other red-blooded all-American cheerleading squad does to raise money: bikini carwash.

Posted by: stuiec at August 20, 2010 06:34 PM

Sorry.  I am 46.  There is something a little creepy and pathetic about me washing my car, repeatedly, and un-necessarily, just because a cheerleading squad is doing it, repeatedly, in their bikinis.   

...... now where are my pants?

Honey! It's made from honey!

Posted by: Herger the Viking, with a horn of mead at August 20, 2010 06:41 PM (ySNz/)

Heh heh.  Of course, that story hearkens back to a day when the muslim scum knew who buttered their bread - they let the "infidels" live somewhat more peacefully once conquered.  Also, a time when they were a damn sight less freakishly evil in their religious legalism.  Compared to the muslims of today, the ancient Turks and Persians were relatively enlightened (though still muslim scum, worthy only of destruction). 

I admit that I can't quote the original source, but I once read that much of the worst crap we see from the muslim vermin today was stirred up by the communists.  Hard Left ideas started to infiltrate the Middle East, and a bunch of tribes who had little but mutual hate and contempt for each other started to develop an "identity" as an oppressed group.  Every element of life started to become politicized, which is how it always goes when the commies are around, and since Islam is political it islam-ized every element of life even worse than it already was.

Beck and Limbaugh bent over backwards today to make sure that everyone knew and understood that neither of them have EVER said that Obama might be Muslim.

It seemed like they were distancing themselves form an average schlep like me that can see why there's a hubbub over the matter.

Did anyone else get that vibe?

Did anyone else get that vibe?

Posted by: ErikW at August 20, 2010 06:49 PM (ntoVu)

I heard a bit of Limbaugh today, but far from the whole show.  I didn't get that vibe.  I thought he tackled the issue pretty forthrightly, reminded everyone how little we knew (and know) about his past.

Seemed to me he was trying to take the "muslim" thing, and use it to make a larger point about the lack of info we had on him.

Like I said though, I only heard bits and pieces.

(Obama worships Obama in my opinion.)

I admit that I can't quote the original source, but I once read that much of the worst crap we see from the muslim vermin today was stirred up by the communists.  Hard Left ideas started to infiltrate the Middle East, and a bunch of tribes who had little but mutual hate and contempt for each other started to develop an "identity" as an oppressed group.  Every element of life started to become politicized, which is how it always goes when the commies are around, and since Islam is political it islam-ized every element of life even worse than it already was.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2010 06:48 PM (4nbyM)

--Arafat was an Egyptian nobody created by the Soviets to fuck with us, for starters.  We're still cleaning up a lot of their messes.

If this pans out the will be some serious scrubbing doing down by the liar media that not only went along with the "moderate" bullshit but also feverishly tried to destroy opponents. 

255   (Obama worships Obama in my opinion.)

Exactly.  Whether Christian, Muslim or Jew, you have to be humble before God.  Humble ain't in his DNA.

@215: "it wasn't liberal because it was leftist. The Sex Pistols were all about class warfare"

British punk, maybe; American punk far less so, at least during its early years.

The Pistols didn't really have that much of an agenda.  Malcolm McLaren just wanted to shock people.  Rotten was anti-establishment, whatever the establishment was.  Matlock and Cook didn't particularly care about politics.  Jones just wanted to get laid, and Vicious just wanted to get smacked up.

The Clash were always the more political band.

Beck and Limbaugh bent over backwards today to make sure that everyone knew and understood that neither of them have EVER said that Obama might be Muslim.

It seemed like they were distancing themselves form an average schlep like me that can see why there's a hubbub over the matter.

Did anyone else get that vibe?

Posted by: ErikW at August 20, 2010 06:49 PM (ntoVu)

Listened to Rush, didn't get that vibe at all.  He was saying it yesterday too because of that poll.  I think it was more of covering from the claims that they are to blame for the idea.  For Rush it felt more like "I don't care if he's muslim, christian or atheist, he's horrible no matter his religion."

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2010 06:58 PM (oVQFe)

Yes and that.

--Arafat was an Egyptian nobody created by the Soviets to fuck with us, for starters.  We're still cleaning up a lot of their messes.

Posted by: logprof at August 20, 2010 06:55 PM (BP6Z1)

Some of it started even earlier, with alliances with Nazi Germany... many of those were there to overthorw the Turks, and get the rest of Europe out of the MidEast.

Then the Soviets saw the same opportunity, to make the West spend resources in the MidEast... while they would make a minimal investment...

I admit that I can't quote the original source, but I once read that much of the worst crap we see from the muslim vermin today was stirred up by the communists.  Hard Left ideas started to infiltrate the Middle East, and a bunch of tribes who had little but mutual hate and contempt for each other started to develop an "identity" as an oppressed group.  Every element of life started to become politicized, which is how it always goes when the commies are around, and since Islam is political it islam-ized every element of life even worse than it already was.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2010 06:48 PM (4nbyM)

--Arafat was an Egyptian nobody created by the Soviets to fuck with us, for starters.  We're still cleaning up a lot of their messes.

Posted by: logprof at August 20, 2010 06:55 PM (BP6Z1)

This helps to explain how so many Muslims, who have been in the USA for all of 15 minutes, seem to understand identity politics, grievance mongering, and has the ACLU on speed dial.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 06:48 PM (664Zx)

There's some pretty weird shit about that, too.    I read that some of the campaign staff was hauling papers out of there in grocery bags, and not admitting they were with the campaign.   Plus, they let the suspect go saying they were looking for fingerprnts.   Huh?    It was thrown through the window.  Something weird about that especially since his office is in the same building as ACORN.

http://tiny.cc/yg048

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 06:34 PM (bgcml)

Margaret Sanger, in The Pivot of Civilization:

At the present time, civilized nations are penalizing talent and genius, the bearers of the torch of civilization, to coddle and perpetuate the choking human undergrowth, which, as all authorities tell us, is escaping control and threatens to overrun the whole garden of humanity. Yet men continue to drug themselves with the opiate of optimism, or sink back upon the cushions of Christian resignation, their intellectual powers anaesthetized by cheerful platitudes. Or else, even those, who are fully cognizant of the chaos and conflict, seek an escape in those pretentious but fundamentally fallacious social philosophies which place the blame for contemporary world misery upon anybody or anything except the indomitable but uncontrolled instincts of living organisms. These men fight with shadows and forget the realities of existence. Too many centuries have we sought to hide from the inevitable, which confronts us at every step throughout life.

Let us conceive for the moment at least, a world not burdened by the weight of dependent and delinquent classes, a total population of mature, intelligent, critical and expressive men and women. Instead of the inert, exploitable, mentally passive class which now forms the barren substratum of our civilization, try to imagine a population active, resistant, passing individual and social lives of the most contented and healthy sort. Would such men and women, liberated from our endless, unceasing struggle against mass prejudice and inertia, be deprived in any way of the stimulating zest of life? Would they sink into a slough of complacency and fatuity?

No! Life for them would be enriched, intensified and ennobled in a fashion it is difficult for us in our spiritual and physical squalor even to imagine. There would be a new renaissance of the arts and sciences. Awakened at last to the proximity of the treasures of life lying all about them, the children of that age would be inspired by a spirit of adventure and romance that would indeed produce a terrestrial paradise.

This helps to explain how so many Muslims, who have been in the USA for all of 15 minutes, seem to understand identity politics, grievance mongering, and has the ACLU on speed dial.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 07:02 PM (IRwVS)

Indeed.  No matter where they go on earth, they bring nothing constructive.  Only ruin, misery, and death.  Without exception.

What I don't get is this - the Jews are good neighbors pretty much universally.  They work, pay taxes, and win nobel prizes for real, useful stuff.  Yet it would be far easier to stir up a riot against the Jews than against the Mohammedans.  If anything we should be seeing spontaneous pogroms against the muslims all across America.  The Right is right to despise them, and they believe in things totally contrary to the "stated" aims of the Left.  Are people just too ignorant/brainwashed, or are they simply afraid that the muslims will make life less pleasant if they were targetted?  It baffles me.

I can see November 2nd clearly now.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 06:34 PM (bgcml)

Yep - typical for a Lib.  The obvious, non-murdering solution escapes them, but anything involving killing the innocent gets them horney as a goat. 

To get rid of the underclass we need to nothing other than quit paying them to breed, and require sterilization as a precondition for social services.  That would fix the issue in a generation.

Sorry.  I am 46.  There is something a little creepy and pathetic about me washing my car, repeatedly, and un-necessarily, just because a cheerleading squad is doing it, repeatedly, in their bikinis.   

...... now where are my pants?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 20, 2010 06:48 PM (yQWNf)

I am trying to parse this.  You see a cheerleading squad "doing it, repeatedly," in their bikinis -- and this makes you want to wash your car?

Wouldn't the more creepy and pathetic and enjoyable thing be to have the cheerleaders wash your car repeatedly?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 07:16 PM (QbA6l)

First off, sterilization is usually reversable.  Second, I plainly stated that the procedure should be a precondition for welfare - not imposed by force.  When it is voluntary, I fully support eugenics.  I myself may carry genes for some quite negative genetic conditions - would I be right to inflict those conditions on a child?  I won't risk it, and I have not respect for those who will.

So, we should go on as we have?  I sometimes drive through the poor sections of town, partly to remind myself how good I have it, and also to see what decades of welfare statism has created.  The families there breed many kids.  Most of those kids are conceived either out of negligence, the short sighted desire for a baby to play with, or in order to increase the take from the welfare office.  They are stuck in the worst environment for kids.  They go to the least desireable schools, which is mostly the act of attending - not really learning (hence an ever declining grad rate even as the standards fall).  Most are fatherless.  Their odds of escaping the life are low.  The odds of perpetuating it are high.  Why on earth should I want more of the same?  Why should I pay ever higher taxes to support other men's bastards, when I didn't even fuck any of those welfare queens?  It is senseless.  We're going to be overwhelmed.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 07:24 PM (QbA6l)

What evidence could I offer that would maintain my anonymity?  I could give you any made up story...

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 07:23 PM (QbA6l)

So was Ronald Reagan.

Who knows. Guy's always pissed off about something. He should have a blog.

Ask him if he wants to do a guest blog to, you know, get some stuff off his chest, Ace. Never know ...

Wellington had a fondness for the scum of the earth.

They did conquer a world for the empire.

@302: "More like spreading crabs across America. I remember reading a book in the early '90s by a guy who went on the US tour with them. All I remember is Sid's crab infestation, Johnny pissing in a tranny's mouth and someone accidentally shitting on a groupies face. Uh really good book."

Noel Monk -  12 Days On The Road: America and The Sex Pistols

Pretty interesting book, actually.  Humanized Sid quite a bit.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 07:35 PM (QbA6l)

Welfare scum, regardless of race, are the problem.  The fact that a large portion are black is an accident of history - nothing more.  I won't pull punches on this issue out of some fear that I will be percieved as a nasty racist bad person.  Ignoring the problem prevents any serious effort to fix it.

If you're content with the status quo, then how do you propose we pay for it long term?  What is your solution, oh benevolent one? 

My place in the hierarchy may not be as high as I want it, as I am not yet rich, but I'm pretty damn happy to live in relative peace and security.  And I have to pay brutal property taxes to keep that status.  It's because the scum are spreading out - increasing in number.  The good areas of town are dying one by one and nobody is gentrifying the slums.  Civilization is in retreat.  The community isn't the only one.  What's to be done, if we provide economic advantages to people who have children without the means to support them without state aid?

And while I can't know Ace's history, I doubt that he or Reagan owe their existence to welfare.  I could be wrong, but I'd be shocked.

It's a head spinner seeing how fast in one day we went from pro life to pro Margret Sanger.

WTF?

Posted by: Y-not's dad was born a bastard at August 20, 2010 07:29 PM (osFsP)

Posted by: Rat Patrol at August 20, 2010 07:45 PM (dQdrY)

You can't compare today's bottom feeders with the underclass of the 19th century and before.  Those poor people had to work to live.  They didn't tax the gentry to pay for their brats, and they tended to get married and have proper families. 

Do you think even Wellington could mold our dependency class into a force for empire building?  Fat chance.  Nor could they have manned the ships that Nelson commanded. 

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 07:48 PM (QbA6l)

So, what makes it a legitimate discussion?  We can talk about the demographics issues in Stein's America Alone, but we can't talk about other equally threatening demographic trends?  This particular product of Leftist thought and policy is off limits unless we agree that we taxpayers are on the hook for every reproductive decision made by those suckling our teat? 

@319: "He was a junkie murderer, after all."

Who in their right mind wouldn't have killed Nancy Spungen, or at least thought about it really, really hard? 

One of the New York Dolls crew (might have been their manager) said his greatest regret in life was inflicting her on Sid.   

Waxing on inbreeding among hillbillies. Hillary is Bill's sister. The proof is Chelsea.

Psssssssssstttttttt.  Queens and Staten Island are NOT New York.  Wingnut.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 20, 2010 06:10 PM (yQWNf)

psssssssssssssssssssssst they are as far as the rest of us Upstaters are concerned.

This makes my teeth itch. BTW, Johnny Rotten is still alive?

Reactionary, you're advocating sterilization for welfare funds?

Yes.

How about unemployment?

Unemployment of the traditional, short term sort is earned in advance, and TEMPORARY.  Also, no sterilization is needed, because it doesn't pay more for extra kids.

How about people who end up disabled? They aren't paying their own way right?

If they want to make babies after becoming disabled and thus unable to take care of even themselves (shockingly unwise, in my view), why do I have to pay for that?  Must I pay for a nurse, too?  How about fertility drugs for those who are infertile?  Better yet - how about you do it?  You can pay my share of that tax so you're heart need not bleed.

A government that can control reproduction can control plenty of other things as well. See China.

Not the same at all.  First, I don't advocate killing the unborn to maintain a quota.  Second, I don't propose a rule that people NOT on welfare should be restricted - if you can afford them, make as many babies as you want!  I don't care if your wife is pregnant year round for all of her reproductive years.  Just don't ask me to help out.  They're not my babies.  Not my responsibility.  I pay enough already in school taxes, etc. Under my plan, people will have the choice.  Fend for themselves like most people in human history have had to do, or give up reproducing in exchange for benefits.  Where is the fucking hardship?

Honestly, I have no idea why people equate killing babies with preventing them.  Totally different. 

Posted by: Lemmenkainen from somewhere in dar al-harb at August 20, 2010 08:32 PM (Iw4dM)

runningrn, Now I get that Elvis song stuck in my head when I see a flaming skull ever since the Blago trial thread.

√ (that was cool... I've never done the check thing before.)

Ev'ry Dem, has a flaming skull
A flaming skull, atop their shoulders
And when a Dem, sees his flaming skull
He knows his time, his time has come

Flaming skull, don't shine on me, flaming skull
Flaming skull, keep behind me, flaming skull
There's a lot of lyin' I've got to do
Give me time to sell a few dreams come true
Flaming skull

When I lie, I feel that flaming skull
That flaming skull, atop my shoulders
And so I lie, front of that flaming skull
Never lookin' around, never lookin' around

Flaming skull, don't shine on me, flaming skull
Flaming skull, keep behind me, flaming skull
There's a lot of lyin' I've got to do
Give me time to sell a few dreams come true
Flaming skull

One fine day, I'll see that flaming skull
That flaming skull, atop my shoulder
And when I see, that old flaming skull
I'll know my time, my time has come

I hope Steve Emerson's tapes dont affect the Vacationer-in-Chief's golf game too much.

Barry has some 'splaining to do. And blaming Bush aint gonna  get it.

Posted by: Robin at August 21, 2010 01:40 AM (jw327)

No longer a victim of White Privilege, the MFM's interest in her took a sudden turn into the Memory Hole.

You may recall this happened pretty much the SECOND word came out that she had previously underpaid and abused black youth. BOOM she disappeared from the news like a fired rocket.

I bet there was a sonic boom, even.

The MFM still has much power.

 it gives him an escape hatch

It gives him the royal shitter lid.

71 Are we still sending the good Imam on his taxpayer funded middle east junket?

Yep.  His latest little vacay cost U.S. taxpayers $16,000.00 (so we know he's going first class, not staying in Qatar's version of Motel 6).  Nice of us to be so generous when so many of us are out of work and/or on foodstamps, isn't it?  And this is just one of many trips he's taken on our dime over several years -- ostensibly as "outreach" to Muslims. 

Good to know that our government takes that "separation of church and state" thing so seriously, eh?  Using tax dollars to pay an imam for "outreach" to Muslims is so totally appropriate; but using tax dollars to pay a Catholic priest or a Jewish rabbi for outreach to Christians, Jews, etc. would clearly be a First Amendment violation!

Wouldn't it be splendid if John Lydon became an English political power.

Lydon has applied for citizenship to the US. He doesn't have a lot of love for his home country.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at August 20, 2010 07:28 PM (wd0Iq)

I think it was called "Nine days on the road: The sex pistols in america". I loved that book.

http://tinyurl.com/4sj4nb

More Johnny Rotten! 

If Pam Geller is going to reveal this Iman, she better get to it. 

Yep, the mosque thing will be the slipping stone that starts the landslide that finally buries the Progressives. Or, maybe the better analogy is the "straw that broke the camel's back."

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