1 Dear Mr. Bezos:

Don't fuck it up.

2

How about: "We didn't need this shit during the holiday shopping season!"

 

Or, "put political shit on servers run by a newspaper, pressure group or activist, not ones run by a merchant!"

3 What am I missing? 
Amazon says it didn't do this in response to government pressure,
but they did it after inquiries from Lieberman.
Isn't Sen. Lieberman a part of the government? 

4

Follow up question: Why didn't the NYT, LA Times or any of the other guardians of truthiness step up and volunteer server space?

 

Wouldn't that be a fun question to ask the MFM?

5 What am I missing? 
Amazon says it didn't do this in response to government pressure,
but they did it after inquiries from Lieberman.
Isn't Sen. Lieberman a part of the government? 

Posted by: Y-not

 

I told you people that the joooos control everything!! But did you listen? Noooooo.

6 Damn.....while waiting for this whole thing to be sorted out, 2 of 4 items in my Amazon shopping cart have each gone up $10.  So eff them anyway.

7

Posted by: Tami who is apparently on Ace's ass about This or That

 

I'm making a list and checking it twice,

gonna find out whose on me like lice,

Ace's list is writinnng, you down

8
Funemployment went up to 9.8% strong B+ work there Mr. President.

9 Don't forget to tune into my ONT tonight in which I break the story about how Curtis Got Slapped.

10 Shocker: big company follows basic common sense corporate governance template for mitigating public relations stumble. It's almost as if I listened in on the conference calls.

11 As to whether Lieberman or any other elected or non-elected official had anything to do with it, there are voices of concern about that as well.

It is interesting they mention Lieberman by name.  I expect an amusing e-mail from Kos this afternoon.

12 http://www.flickr.com/photos/kelco/5073161495/

13 Don't forget to tune into my ONT tonight in which I break the story about how Curtis Got Slapped.

Posted by: genghis

 

How about covering the news that NASA dscovered ALF?

14

Follow up question: Why didn't the NYT, LA Times or any of the other guardians of truthiness step up and volunteer server space?

Wouldn't that be a fun question to ask the MFM?

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2010 09:34 AM

Hey, Buster, we ask the questions here. 

15 I figured that Jullien Jazz Hands had a google alert for his name and when it fell below a certain number per day, he would release another document in order to keep people talking about him.

16 How about: "We didn't need this shit during the holiday shopping season!"

I have heard that retailers do 50 to 60% of their annual sales during Christmas. So, no they can ot afford to take a hit right now.

17 Dear Mr. Assange,

Fuck you.

Sincerely,

Jeff Bezos

18 After all, if they werenÂ’t pressured by the guvmint and the DDOS attacks were ineffective then what was it that made them pull the plug? A sudden moment of moral clarity? Patriotism? Bad hair day? I suspect the "successfully defended against DDOS attacks" successfully made the point to Amazon.com that their site could be knocked right off the Net. Nice profitable site you got there, Amazon! It would indeed be a shame if something happened to it... And oh by the way, SCREW Amazon for not removing wikileaks simply because it is an anti-American site that will likely get some people killed. What the hell is up with Corporate America these days, anyway? Since when did they become socialist anti-American shills?

19 Considering that Assange's actions face legal and political ramifications from numerous countries all over the world, and could even wind up the victim of espionage or sabotage, and, as the company serving the information, why should Amazon endure the little creep?

20 What the hell is up with Corporate America these days, anyway? Since when did they become socialist anti-American shills?

Posted by: CoolCzech

 

It's possible that the stereotype that liberals have for corporations has some merit. They are independent of such things as patriotism or a sense of belonging to a nation. They play to a world stage, much of which is a welcome venue for anti-American hatred. They are interested in protecting themselves, their profits and the self interest of the decision makers. It is interesting to note that Hollywood, which for years has decried the dreaded mltinational corporation, is being just that, making anti-American films which may bomb here, but which apparently make money overseas.

Remember too that the blather about 'giving back to the community' is engrained now. It's at least PR to play this bit.

21

Oh good God.  Amazon is a publicly traded company on NASDAQ.  Even if people don't understand the concept of self-service hosting products (no crime there, most people don't, that's perfectly understandable), to presume that a company would shove a stick in the eye of their customer base, and that at their highest sales volume season, to score a political point is just silly.

It isn't that this wasn't a big PR deal, it surely was.  But the presumption that Amazon is so blitheringly stupid as to have participated willingly in this, is absurd.

 

22 They are interested in protecting themselves, their profits and the self interest of the decision makers.

I'm all for that. I expect the people who run the companies I have stock in to operate them such that I continue to get my dividends.

That being said, if they operate against the U.S. they will not be doing that because a lot of Americans will dump them like a bad debt.

23 And oh by the way, SCREW Amazon for not removing wikileaks simply because it is an anti-American site that will likely get some people killed.

What the hell is up with Corporate America these days, anyway? Since when did they become socialist anti-American shills?
Posted by: CoolCzech

Except for the part where people could be killed, I hate that part, the WL proves what we all know about our unamerican prez. So what gives?

24 6 Damn.....while waiting for this whole thing to be sorted out, 2 of 4 items in my Amazon shopping cart have each gone up $10.  So eff them anyway.

Amazon can be pricey at times--- compare on Ebay if you can.

25

Yay for amazon.com! For my heart, not so much, as I won't be brick-and-mortaring after all. ~_^

mac :]

26 16 How about: "We didn't need this shit during the holiday shopping season!"

I have heard that retailers do 50 to 60% of their annual sales during Christmas. So, no they can ot afford to take a hit right now.

And Amazon is pushing, Pushing, PUSHING Kindle sales.  Even folks who don't read that much or know what an Ereader is know what a Kindle is now.

27 Too Profitable? I'm taking that bitch over. Soon as I get my banking done- (wink, wink) Right, Charlie?

28 Coffee break is over, back on your head.

29 It's possible that the stereotype that liberals have for corporations has some merit. They are independent of such things as patriotism or a sense of belonging to a nation. They play to a world stage, much of which is a welcome venue for anti-American hatred. They are interested in protecting themselves, their profits and the self interest of the decision makers. It is interesting to note that Hollywood, which for years has decried the dreaded mltinational corporation, is being just that, making anti-American films which may bomb here, but which apparently make money overseas. Isn't Jeff Bezos a liberal douche himself? By putting an American hating liberal douche in charge of a national corporation, why would hosting WikiLeaks come as no surprise then?

30 Christmas thought of the day:  Wives are like Christmas trees.  Just because they look good in the wild doesn't mean that they will look good in your living room.

31 After all, if they werenÂ’t pressured by the guvmint and the DDOS attacks were ineffective then what was it that made them pull the plug? A sudden moment of moral clarity? Patriotism? Bad hair day?

How about legality, like they said? Like most hosts, they don't pay much attention to their customers' activities until someone notifies them that a customer is breaking their terms of service. When that happens, they check to verify that the customer is indeed breaking their TOS, and if they are, they get cut off.

That's what happened here. Nothing special, no leverage needed, no public outrage or arm-twisting from the state department or what-have-you. Amazon simply did what any business would do when they found out their customers were illegally distributing pirated or otherwise stolen material via Amazon's servers.

32 I wonder if the media realizes how much of a joke they are.  The headline at Drudge goes to a WP article about jobs, where once again an increase in unemployment is classified as "unexpected".

Go fuck yourselves WP.  You know what would be a truly unexpected you cock-juggling troglodytes? 

A decrease in unemployment.  

33 you cock-juggling troglodytes? 

Brilliant

34 Amazon has already won by shifting the PR battlefield to explaining why they dumped Wikileaks rather than why they backed them up to start with.  I'm telling friends and family to check my wish-list on Amazon but go buy the item elsewhere.

35

Slightly tangential - I haven't heard much discssion about the fact that earlier this week a German journalist for Der Speigel said that they and other pubs had gotten the State Dept stuff back in August!  He said they had been analyzing it and "deciding what was important" to release.  He specifically said that there had been collaboration among media outlets in deciding on these standards so that they all acted consistently.

So, as you listen and read the MSM reacting in wide-eyed amazement to today's revelations, be aware that they aren't really news at all - they are carefully stage-managed tidbits being dribbled out to last as long as possible (he said "months") and they are filtered by the MSM to make sure you don't get bothered by anything "unimportant".  Whew, glad they are on the job looking out for our sacred right to know... what they think it is right for us to know.

36 Speaking of Asshat:

Assange in online Q&A: No credible allegation that 'a single person has come to harm as a result of our activities' http://bit.ly/ffTGMi

37 When the last MSM jerkoff turns off the last Green lamp in the last newsroom, they still won't get it.

38

OT- Just reading about Bristol Palin sending a shot back at Keith Olbermann on her FB page (via Althouse). Must suck when even Sarah Palin's kids can make you look stupid.

http://tinyurl.com/33tnmle

39 And Amazon is pushing, Pushing, PUSHING Kindle sales. Even folks who don't read that much or know what an Ereader is know what a Kindle is now. As much as the appeal that Kindle is, what really is making me hesitant is Amazon's policy in selling books.. The one book they had about hot to be a successful pedophile (or something).. Amazon let it sit for days on their shelf (manner of speaking) until they started to receive too much publicity from it and yanked it.. Not really their biggest fan but they do have the biggest game in town.. (and google for that matter)

40 Apparently Bristol doesn't know who Olberdouce is.

To Mr. Olbermann let me say this: you can attack me all you want. But you will not stop me from getting my message out about teen pregnancy prevention. And one day, if you ever have a daughter, you may change your mind about me.

Hahahahahahahahah

41 I'll bet it was pressure from all the vendors that use Amazon.. thousands of vendors use Amazon to sell their stuff.. and this is make-or-break it season for any retailer.

DDOS attacks against Amazon is a DDOS attack against those vendors as well.  People protesting Amazon's hosting of WikiLeaks is a protest against those vendors as well..

42 Not really their biggest fan but they do have the biggest game in town.. (and google for that matter)
Posted by: Dave C
---------
I put a Nook on my Christmas wish list.. Barnes & Nobles is coming up very fast behind Amazon with their Nook against the Kindle. They've captured 20% of the market in just a year or so..

43 38

OT- Just reading about Bristol Palin sending a shot back at Keith Olbermann on her FB page (via Althouse). Must suck when even Sarah Palin's kids can make you look stupid.

http://tinyurl.com/33tnmle

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2010 10:37 AM (Z6Mgb)

How to have an argument with a woman:

http://tinyurl.com/2cftano

44 Amazon has already won by shifting the PR battlefield to explaining why they dumped Wikileaks rather than why they backed them up to start with. I'm telling friends and family to check my wish-list on Amazon but go buy the item elsewhere. Posted by: Rob in Deep Blue Country at December 03, 2010 10:30 AM (Ol0Nn)

As the statement explains, they never backed WikiLeaks in the first place. Someone from WikiLeaks signed up for their hosting service and paid the bill. That's it. Amazon wouldn't have even known they were involved with WikiLeaks until the news broke. Once they found out, they terminated the account for violation of terms of service (distributing stolen documents).

I don't know what people think is so heinous about this.

45 I put Stankets on my Christmas list.

46 I put a Nook on my Christmas wish list.. Barnes & Nobles is coming up very fast behind Amazon with their Nook against the Kindle. They've captured 20% of the market in just a year or so.. Can you subscribe to magazines with those (or the Kindle?) My wife is a runner and if I can get her one with a subscription to Runner's World or something like that would be the Bee's Knees for Christmas..

47

Where is Geoff with the new 9.8% unemployment chart?

C'mon - this is the internet - we expect instantaneousness.

 

48 I don't know what people think is so heinous about this.

Posted by: Caiwyn at December 03, 2010 10:53 AM (ttktr) 

No, we must "Kill the Wabbit", whenever, however, whichever way we can!

http://tinyurl.com/nqqqer

49 just found out about the Nook magazines..

50 I wish my wife was a runner.  She's more into standing and fighting.

51 When Bristol says, "...if you ever have a daughter..." she knows exactly what she is saying.

52 OT- Just reading about Bristol Palin sending a shot back at Keith Olbermann on her FB page (via Althouse). Must suck when even Sarah Palin's kids can make you look stupid.

http://tinyurl.com/33tnmle

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2010 10:37 AM

This ^, and Bristol hasn't even been to Cow College.

53 21 

Oh good God.  Amazon is a publicly traded company on NASDAQ.  Even if people don't understand the concept of self-service hosting products (no crime there, most people don't, that's perfectly understandable), to presume that a company would shove a stick in the eye of their customer base, and that at their highest sales volume season, to score a political point is just silly.

It isn't that this wasn't a big PR deal, it surely was.  But the presumption that Amazon is so blitheringly stupid as to have participated willingly in this, is absurd.

DiT's got it right. This has all along been about a public-relations mess for Amazon. One which they didn't exactly help themselves out with by jacking off for an entire news cycle. Is there a certain political culture at places like Amazon? Of course. But they aren't suicidal about these things. Those lattes ain't payin' for themselves.

54

Not really their biggest fan but they do have the biggest game in town..

Bezos is a Republican.

Barnes & Noble is one of the most hardcore Leftist firms in America.

Thank GOD that we have some [at least pseudo/ostensible] GOP-ers at Amazon and eBay and Buy.com.

If not, then we'd be just about completely shut out of the internet infrastructure.

 

55 I wish my wife was a runner. She's more into standing and fighting. And her running has paid off too.. IYKWIMAITYD

56 50 I wish my wife was a runner.  She's more into standing and fighting.

Posted by: Truman North at December 03, 2010 10:57 AM (HLGCA) 

Add this to your Xmas or Hanukkahs wish list:

http://tinyurl.com/2evus64

57 The Nook had been coming up fast but Amazon has not been idle. They have upgraded to the Kendell-3 and it is currently the highest rate reader on the market.

I went out and did some research because wife has decided she wants one. Initially I wanted the Nook because we have been B&N customers for a long time and we have one located about 40 miles away. But since I read that review and Amazon decreased the price I have changed my mind.

58 Anyway, Stankets are fleecy blankets with arms sewn onto them so you can stand up and still have the blanket.  STanding blANKETS = Stankets

59 Posted by: Dave C

Dave - Yeah, the new Nook color is the first (I believe) where you can subscribe to full color magazines and they get downloaded directly to the Nook.

60 Opps.. just saw you already found out about the magazines..  doh!

61

"I put Stankets on my Christmas list."

I don't know what that means, but if it's something perverted people do with poop & an electric blanket, I don't want one.

62

Add this to your Xmas or Hanukkahs wish list:

http://tinyurl.com/2evus64

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at December 03, 2010 11:01 AM (LdYLm)

This is better

http://tinyurl.com/24mhtbt

63 If Stacey, Stacia and Heidi were here, Dave, they'd know exactly what to get their ol' dad for Xmas.  Stankets.

64 So I she says to me, Paul, she says to me:  Have ya got any Stankets?"

65 OT

Very Cool.
Last 2 Pearl Harbor vets in state homes to return to battle scene.
Both served on the USS Phoenix, never knew each other.

66 "I put Stankets on my Christmas list."

You may be more likely to get what you want if you call it a snuggie.

Or  they may just pull your undies over your head. Depends on how good you've been.

67

As the statement explains, they never backed WikiLeaks in the first place. Someone from WikiLeaks signed up for their hosting service and paid the bill. That's it. Amazon wouldn't have even known they were involved with WikiLeaks until the news broke. Once they found out, they terminated the account for violation of terms of service (distributing stolen documents).

I don't know what people think is so heinous about this.

Caiwyn, just let it go. The post, articles and all that make it clear yet you keep shouting from the highest mountain that AMAZON IS INNOCENT OF ALL SINS!

Fine, we get your point. You bent yourself into such a defensive pretzel shape on yesterday's post about this that it seems clear you have a direct interest in the matter.

68 I am looking forward to playing the new Michael Jackson Experience Guitar Hero game.  Instead of a guitar, it has a six-year-old boy doll with buttons in his erogenous zones.

69 Posted by: Dave in Texas at December 03, 2010 10:10 AM (WvXvd)

I'm not sure that I want my corporations to have a sense of morality and ethics. I want them to abide by the law and maximize profit. If I don't like the way they behave I will sell my stock or take my business elsewhere.

That's the glory of the capitalist system. We get to decide who survives and prospers, and who goes into the shitter.

70 After all, if they werenÂ’t pressured by the guvmint and the DDOS attacks were ineffective then what was it that made them pull the plug?

Just spitballin' here, but it was probably WikiLeaks' violations of the terms of service as Amazon clearly stated in their explanation.

71 When Jazz Hands covered in shit, shit everywhere.

72 Stankets, Paul!

73 Amazon could have solved their own PR problem with a stronger statement a day sooner.  They need no defense now.  That bird has flown.

74 If Stacey, Stacia and Heidi were here, Dave, they'd know exactly what to get their ol' dad for Xmas. Stankets. Crap.. isn't in the Urban Dictionary yet..

75 The Urban Dictionary, Paul!

76 OT - More on Afghanistan visit: Bad weather forces Obama to cancel face-to-face meeting with President Karzai, will talk by video hookup

77 Doubtful, but whatever the case they finally did the right thing for whatever reasons (most likely self-preservation and damage-control)

Forgive me if I don't carry the governments water here. Let's have us a national distraction. We'll focus on that non condom wearing arch criminal- and perhaps people will forget about those 15,000 peeps we whacked and didn't mention, or that innocent German national we kidnapped, or that photo journalist we smoked.

Let the nationalism start in earnest. We enable this government to behave this way. The right thing? What the fuck is that?

78 I am giving a Kindle to one of my husbands for his birthday. Loaded books for him all day yesterday. It is addictive. Am getting ready now to fix the requested meal of meatloaf, mashed potatoes, peas, and pineapple upside-down cake.

79 I am giving a Kindle to one of my husbands for his birthday. Loaded books for him all day yesterday. It is addictive. Am getting ready now to fix the requested meal of meatloaf, mashed potatoes, peas, and pineapple upside-down cake.

Posted by: texette at December 03, 2010 11:32 AM (TATbF)

What will you get the other ones?

80 OT - More on Afghanistan visit: Bad weather forces Obama to cancel face-to-face meeting with President Karzai, will talk by video hookup

Translation: The golfing sucks in A-stan this time of year.

81

I don't know how any conservative in his right mind could do business with Barnes & Noble.

Amazon might not be perfect, but Barnes & Noble is like Stalin & Mao.

Good grief.

 

82 78 I am giving a Kindle to one of my husbands for his birthday. Loaded books for him all day yesterday. It is addictive. Am getting ready now to fix the requested meal of meatloaf, mashed potatoes, peas, and pineapple upside-down cake.

Posted by: texette at December 03, 2010 11:32 AM (TATbF)

How do I get my wife a subscription to your newsletter as a Xmas gift?

83

one of my husbands

Do tell.

84 OT - More on Afghanistan visit: Bad weather forces Obama to cancel face-to-face meeting with President Karzai, will talk by video hookup

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2010 11:29 AM (9hSKh)

No he won't they can't get that to work either, he might call him now. According to MSNBC the weather is fine.

85 Tami, I cook a lot of food. Truman, story too long for blackberry. Thinking about a newsletter.

86 OT - More on Afghanistan visit: Bad weather forces Obama to cancel face-to-face groin meeting with President Karzai, will talk by video hookup Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2010 11:29 AM (9hSKh) Edited for Accuracy!

87 Just what we needed, Obama flying off on another damn expensive trip. When is the asshole going to quit flying all over the world spending money?

WH travel budget for 2011/2012, ZERO.

88 Amazon might not be perfect, but Barnes & Noble is like Stalin & Mao.

QFT.  You get the most interesting reactions from the cashier buying, say, an Ann Coulter book at a physical B&N store (assuming you can find where they mis-filed it).

89

genghis, I'm not sure I get how you can agree with me and dump on Caiwyn, we're saying exactly the same thing.  She's exactly right.

It went a day, they looked into it, verified a violation of their Terms of Use, ran it by legal, and then they dropped wiki-douche like a used rubber.

End of story.

90 You get the most interesting reactions from the cashier buying, say, an Ann Coulter book at a physical B&N store (assuming you can find where they mis-filed it).

Not here, they display them on the "just released" shelf just as you come in the door.

91 (assuming you can find where they mis-filed it).
Posted by: Ian S.
---
For even more fun, go in with a list of politically incorrect books and ask one of the clerks at the info desk to help you find them, commenting all the while about how the friends on your CHRISTMAS list are so looking forward to receiving them.

92 You act like Amazon should've been indicted for treason had they not changed course. The sh*t is out there. Even without any newspapers, and if not wikileaks, then some other site. I suppose now we'll be calling for more Chinese like internet laws?

I don't understand how America can be the greatest country in the world, and simultaneously justified in keeping classified even the most obvious information.
I for one will be reading these cables at my leisure.

93 You act like Amazon should've been indicted for treason had they not changed course. The sh*t is out there. Even without any newspapers, and if not wikileaks, then some other site. I suppose now we'll be calling for more Chinese like internet laws?

I don't understand how America can be the greatest country in the world, and simultaneously justified in keeping classified even the most obvious information.
I for one will be reading these cables at my leisure.

Posted by: Stan

 

You act as though information that was stolen was not, in fact stolen. The shit was stolen.

Receiving and handling stolen items is a crime. Ask a pawn broker, or someone trying to use a credit card. I suppose now you'll be calling for lighter sentences for rich, connected people who think as you do, while allowing the poor and minorities to serve prison time?

 

94 It's the tedious little detail about the Americans and our allies that could die because of the information being "out there" that bothers me.

Like die, not like in a video game, but die. Like they won't get to breathe anymore.

95 Stan is right about one thing, he doesn't understand how America can be the greatest country in the world.

If the KGB had stolen this shit and released it and not some jilted protected-class candy-ass, people would be getting bullets behind the ear in dark allies by now.

96

  don't understand how America can be the greatest country in the world, and simultaneously justified in keeping classified even the most obvious information.
I for one will be reading these cables at my leisure.

Posted by: Stan

 

Can President Nixon quote you on that? Because some of his playmates got into a fuss over the 'unauthorized' acquisition of some information, and  you seem to be the kinda guy that would be proud to allow information to see the light of day, rather than let the persnickety 'owners' deprive this once great nation.

 

What was that? When someone steals information form the Democrats, then it's a crime? And they should be prosecuted for it? As should anyone involved?

 

I see.

 

97
what was it that made them pull the plug? A sudden moment of moral clarity? Patriotism? Bad hair day?

They read their own terms of service, and realized that WL was violating them?

Thousands of irate customers certainly, umm, clarifies things, too.

98 I never said I wholeheartedly support Mr. Assange, nor do I support theft of secure information. And I don't think I could ever support Assange because of the fact that he negligently (at best) endangered a lot of American troops in harms way.

But I see his point. And it would please me to no end if this scumbag was an equal opportunity offender until caught.

What I guess I was getting at, was that either we (and governments in general) will be more open and honest, or more secretive. And many commentators expect or fear one of those outcomes from big leaks like this. There's no stopping leaks, and I imagine they will increase.

With that in mind I don't see any other good risk aversion strategy than to become more transparent, especially with regard to the crap that's obvious, the crap we should know about, and the crap that's secret for only CYA purposes.

99 I never said I wholeheartedly support Mr. Assange, nor do I support theft of secure information. And I don't think I could ever support Assange because of the fact that he negligently (at best) endangered a lot of American troops in harms way.

But I see his point. And it would please me to no end if this scumbag was an equal opportunity offender until caught.

What I guess I was getting at, was that either we (and governments in general) will be more open and honest, or more secretive. And many commentators expect or fear one of those outcomes from big leaks like this. There's no stopping leaks, and I imagine they will increase.

With that in mind I don't see any other good risk aversion strategy than to become more transparent, especially with regard to the crap that's obvious, the crap we should know about, and the crap that's secret for only CYA purposes.

Posted by: Stan

 

You complained about Amazon kicking Wikileaks off, and bragged about reading this crap.

Now you are.. I'm not sure what in Hell you are doing.

 

If you want to have a conversation about what should and should not be public, fine. You want to talk about the government being more transparent, fine.

That is NOT what happened here. Somebody who was pissed off lashed out, grabbed a metric shitload of stuff which was entrusted to him, and gave it to somebody, violating laws and that trust.

That someone is now acting like a Martin Luther/National Enquirer hybrid. In his spare time, he may also be a rapist.

If I do have a conversation about what my government does and does not classify, that conversation will not include this posturing turd.

100 You complained about Amazon kicking Wikileaks off, and bragged about reading this crap.

I'm honestly kind of on the fence on a lot of these issues. But I don't think information is like any other tangible good: once stolen and disseminated, it's not really stolen property anymore. It's de facto public domain, no matter what law says otherwise.  If Manning hadn't given it to Assange, I'm sure the NYT would have been happy to take it from him. Or some other paper.  That's why I don't see the big deal about some site hosting the information, as it's way too late to plug that hole.

If this is just about Assange being an anti-American leaker, then yeah, I'm all for making it harder for them to operate. But I also like to look at the bigger picture, which is what I'm wobbly about at the moment.

101 "Anti-American leakers" used to be called traitors. Like Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

And we had a cure for their disease that made it "harder for them to operate".

102

I don't know how any conservative in his right mind could do business with Barnes & Noble.

Amazon might not be perfect, but Barnes & Noble is like Stalin & Mao
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