March 03, 2010

Update: Another Democratic House Member May Switch from Yes-to-No
— Ace

Because the new Obama plan is... too conservative?

Shyeah, right.

An influential House progressive says he’s less likely to vote for the final healthcare reform bill now that the White House has incorporated Republican ideas — which could indicate a serious problem is brewing among liberals as Democratic leaders try to figure out a way to finish work on the legislation.

“As I weigh it, I think — for me — a ‘no’ vote is something that I continue to lean toward,” Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told Salon in a brief interview off the House floor Wednesday. “Especially the last additions — that was kind of a slap in the face for all of us who fought for the public option.”…

More: As I just updated the post on Eric Massa, Massa was actually a "No" vote on ObamaCare -- a committed liberal, he was determined that we should have single-payer or nothing else. Although one would guess he'll now vote for the measure -- he'll need to keep tight with Democrats if he wants lobbying jobs or bureaucratic appointments -- Grijalva guesses that Massa will keep his vote a "No." I guess... maybe to keep tight with liberal activist groups who want to keep the true-believer flame alive?

Allah hopes Grijalva and Acuri will encourage more Democrats to vote no:

The beauty of Arcuri and Grijalva speaking up, of course, is that itÂ’ll encourage other fencesitters to commit to voting no. The less likely it seems that this thing will pass, the less undecideds have to worry about their vote being the difference and the easier it becomes to abandon ship. HereÂ’s to an imminent dam burst.

Even the retiring Brian Baird -- almost counted as a gimme no-to-yes vote, because he's retiring and can afford to stick his thumb in the eye of his constituents -- isn't on board quite yet:

In a brief interview with Salon Tuesday night, Baird didn’t sound particularly enthusiastic about the prospect of switching his vote. “I get all these people advocating, calls and letters, saying vote one way or the other,” he said. “I don’t know how they know what’s going to be in it — because I sure don’t.”…

Click the link for McConnell's rebuttal to Obama's dishonest speech -- this isn't a conflict between Republicans and Democrats, he notes, but between Democrats and America.

Remember, Nancy Pelosi needs around 10-12 hardcore progressives to switch their votes -- and thusfar, she's not getting them.


Stupak Reiterates: He says again that 12 former yes votes are now "no" without the Stupak abortion language, via Phillip Klein.


More: Enoxo stresses Grivalja is a strong progressive vote and something of a leader in that caucus, so this is probably more than one vote we're looking at here.

Posted by: Ace at 01:06 PM | Comments (177)
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1 Heh, I just sent this to you, too. >.>

The progressive caucus probably won't whip its 79 members to vote for or against the healthcare bill, Grijalva said. Two of them -- Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y. (who isn't running again in November) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio -- voted no on the House version of the bill last fall.

Again, it's a soft "no", but who it is coming from is a biggie.  And the above paragraph from it tells me there will be other progressives to vote no this time--possibly besides the above two.

Posted by: enoxo at March 03, 2010 01:08 PM (QlPoa)

2
Damn.  This day isn't so bad, after all.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 03, 2010 01:09 PM (fx8sm)

3 Maybe we have enough to pray on. Pray that Zombie healscam is dead-dead.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 01:11 PM (QrA9E)

4 Don't get excited.  They're just waiting for their bribes.

Posted by: Dave R at March 03, 2010 01:12 PM (53crM)

5 ...McConnell's rebuttal to Obama's dishonest speech -- this isn't a conflict between Republicans and Democrats, he notes, but between Democrats and America.


That's damn good.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 03, 2010 01:12 PM (0FiCa)

6
The House
The House
The House is on fire
I don't give a puck
Let all the donkeys burn

Posted by: Atomic Roach at March 03, 2010 01:12 PM (Oxen1)

7 Grievance Grijalva was one of the select few members of the house who felt comfortable enough voting against defunding ACORN last year.

Raúl began his public career as a community organizer when he joined with several other advocates to start El Rio Community Health Center. During his time at El Rio, Raúl worked with other activists to "encourage" local governments to "invest" in older and minority neighborhoods. He helped organize "neighborhood empowerment efforts" that prompted the city of Tucson to expand services to the south and west sides...

...From 1974 to 1986, Raúl served on the Tucson Unified School District.  He was a hands-on board member who worked to increase funding and support for public education, and who advocated on behalf of teacher, employee and civil rights...

...Since his election to Congress in 2002, Raúl has worked to improve the quality of life for working families by promoting minimum wage increases, supporting legislation to prevent intimidation, and pushing to help employees organize and represent themselves in the workplace.

Posted by: Deety at March 03, 2010 01:12 PM (aVzyR)

8 In related news, the futures market for tar and feathers fell 0.497% today, or approximately 1/216th.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 03, 2010 01:14 PM (xP1rK)

9 We are approaching the inflection point.  Rout to follow.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2010 01:14 PM (0K3p3)

10 the bribes are gonna be flying--shit I could make a fortune as a congressmen

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 03, 2010 01:14 PM (0GFWk)

Posted by: enoxo at March 03, 2010 01:14 PM (QlPoa)

12 Simple Posturing. They'll all fall in line. They're Democrats first & foremost.

Posted by: Marybeth at March 03, 2010 01:16 PM (4lR8S)

13 This says it all... Posted by: enoxo at March 03, 2010 05:14 PM (QlPoa) that's great but i don't think her chest is that big

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 03, 2010 01:17 PM (0GFWk)

14 If even the Demo Shit-birds are against Reconciled Kenyan-Light Obamacare, it's gonna be difficult to cram through.

Maybe the Dems could just burn down the Reichstag and indict a hobo-communist


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:17 PM (JrRME)

Posted by: George Orwell at March 03, 2010 01:18 PM (AZGON)

16 The best thing they cold do would be to call for an early fall adjournment, like right now.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 01:20 PM (QrA9E)

17 Bunning is on Hannity's radio show now.

In his day, he could pitch like a motherfu

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:20 PM (JrRME)

18 I think the dems are down to 214 now if everybody else stands pat.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 03, 2010 01:22 PM (cpuvG)

19 I think the dems are down to 214 now if everybody else stands pat. Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 03, 2010 05:22 PM (cpuvG) Who's pat

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 03, 2010 01:23 PM (0GFWk)

20

Eric Massa is retiring?   Andrew Sullivan weeps.

And is on the phone asking Eric to come over for a sleepover, maybe a little game of pitch and catch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 03, 2010 01:24 PM (T1boi)

21 AHAHAHA..this is like herding cats. 

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 01:25 PM (VuLos)

22 Now Obama will use CJ-logic and declare that since everyone on the right and on the left is saying he's wrong then he must be right.

Posted by: lincolntf at March 03, 2010 01:25 PM (cGaVN)

23 Brian Baird is fucking retiring? Fuck yes, I hate that fucking asshole. He's my representative and he's a total douchebag. I remember when I was in high school, he was whining about foreign oil and why we pay for it suggesting we do domestic oil production. Note this was before the whole "Hi I'm Al Gore the faggot and global warming is cereal!" Of course now he does a 180 and doesn't give a fuck.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 03, 2010 01:26 PM (aYwIz)

24 Who's pat?

Who's on first.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 03, 2010 01:26 PM (cpuvG)

Posted by: conscious and really Fn' pissed off at March 03, 2010 01:27 PM (Vu6sl)

26 AHAHAHA..this is like herding cats pussies. There

Posted by: dagny at March 03, 2010 01:27 PM (g6POu)

27
since everyone on the right and on the left is saying he's wrong then he must be right

Ahhh, yes, the 'I Know You Are But What Am I' gambit.  Crafty indeed.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 03, 2010 01:28 PM (fx8sm)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b+/tard at March 03, 2010 01:29 PM (IoUF1)

29 OT: Fox's marquis story on their website now is about Iranian regime opponents in the US being threatened with death by Iranian operatives based at the UN.  Some folks in the know are quoted as saying there is a danger to these dissidents even in the US.

The FBI, of course, doesn't know what to do.

So, if a guy could get pictures and names of these clowns at the UN doing this, which you know the FBI has, and if they were to, you know. bash the mother fuckers upside the head in a Manhattan alley with a 2X4 and watch their brains dribble into the gutter have a talk with them when they go out on the Manhattan town, would that be a crime?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 03, 2010 01:29 PM (xP1rK)

30 Obamakaze Press Conference Photo Clearly fraudulent. Real kamikazes were permitted to smoke, and where is the Kools?

Posted by: George Orwell at March 03, 2010 01:29 PM (AZGON)

31 26 AHAHAHA..this is like herding cats pussies. There

Posted by: dagny at March 03, 2010 05:27 PM (g6POu)

Hey, I'm available if help is needed!

Posted by: an unemploye pussie herder at March 03, 2010 01:30 PM (Vu6sl)

32
Hey, Wee Wee got a bunch of 'doctors' in white coats to pose for a photo op again.  I wonder if Doctor Roxana Meyer was one of them? 

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 03, 2010 01:31 PM (fx8sm)

Posted by: Johnny Fuckwad at March 03, 2010 01:33 PM (kGngs)

34

Hey, I'm available if help is needed!

OK. I hear barbara mulkulski and barbara boxer are wandering away. You take care of  that

Posted by: dagny at March 03, 2010 01:34 PM (g6POu)

35 Hey, Wee Wee got a bunch of 'doctors' in white coats to pose for a photo op again.  I wonder if Doctor Roxana Meyer was one of them?

Not sure, but I was there.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at March 03, 2010 01:35 PM (cpuvG)

36

Any wonder why conservatives are worn out?  With the Admin that keeps on givin', the adrenalin is exhausted, Valu-Rite depleted, the target rich hobos have already been "reclaimed", even the GOP couldn't blow this one (totally), and my Jello stock is soarin'

 

Posted by: Need a rest at March 03, 2010 01:36 PM (ucq49)

37 I hear barbara mulkulski and barbara boxer are wandering away. I'll try to lure them into my windowless van with briefcases full of cash.

Posted by: plausable deniability at March 03, 2010 01:36 PM (4Kl5M)

38 Too bad DOCTOR Amy wasn't available. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 01:36 PM (UOM48)

39 Hey, Wee Wee got a bunch of 'doctors' in white coats to pose for a photo op again. I wonder if Doctor Roxana Meyer was one of them? Posted by: Dang Straights at March 03, 2010 05:31 PM (fx8sm) I assure all them prosps gave big bucks to his campaign. they are all liberal weenies.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 03, 2010 01:37 PM (0GFWk)

40

"I wonder if Doctor Roxana Meyer was one of them? 

NO!  But I was!

Posted by: Dr Amy Fuckin Bishop at March 03, 2010 01:37 PM (ucq49)

41 I was there too.

Posted by: Dr. Scholls at March 03, 2010 01:39 PM (cpuvG)

42 Somebody in the comments over there said this isn't waterloo, it's stalingrad.  Too true...

Posted by: doug at March 03, 2010 01:40 PM (75C2c)

43

Posted by: conscious and really Fn' pissed off at March 03, 2010 05:27 PM (Vu6sl)

 

I'd love to know just who those useful idiots were standing behind him.  All the doctors I work with are in absolute agita over all of this crap.  They've been on an horrible anxiety yo-yo all year.  I hope someone like Michelle Malkin or another resourceful blogger gets the 411 on these alleged "doctors" who were there in support of Obama's bill.  (The nurses were most certainly all SEIU members, so that's a no-brainer).  I'm thinking some of those docs were AMA tools. 

It's amazing how the media isn't calling out Harry Reid for lying at the Health Care Summit ("No one's talking about reconciliation")--if he was a Republican, his lies would be on an endless loop.  It's also disgusting that the media isn't calling out Obama for his own hypocrisy on reconciliation (Rush played 8 different clips of him decrying reconciliation, even when he was Presidential Candidate Obama, saying his health care plan would need 60 votes).  Democrats are evil, stinking liars. 

Oh, and I love how Obama called out Eric Cantor for resorting to cheap political props when he brought the actual 2 thousand plus paged bills to the "Health Care Summit", and then surrounded himself with supposed health care workers as he delivered his presser today.  Rush said all they needed was a person who just died because they didn't have health care up there on that stage with Teh Bamster.  I'm pissed off!

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 01:40 PM (CfmlF)

44 Beck is talking about 4% of the population not having internet and it is funny.  But seriously why can't they tether their phone to get the internet onto their laptop?

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 01:41 PM (p302b)

45 Is it possible that we can keep going round and round with this until November?   As long as bambi keeps making this a front page issue it will stay fresh on people's minds and make 2010 the bloodbath we're all hoping and praying for.

Posted by: Lincoln Adams at March 03, 2010 01:41 PM (gLNLT)

46 I'm invited to a press conference for Barack Obama. Record release parties are great! What is their album called?

Posted by: Dr Johnny Fever at March 03, 2010 01:41 PM (4Kl5M)

47 " Rep. Raúl Grijalva"

American or not?  We report, you decide.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at March 03, 2010 01:41 PM (l71WL)

48 30 Obamakaze Press Conference Photo

Clearly fraudulent. Real kamikazes were permitted to smoke, and where is the Kools?

Posted by: George Orwell at March 03, 2010 05:29 PM (AZGON)

updated

Posted by: conscious and cursing Obama with every breath at March 03, 2010 01:41 PM (Vu6sl)

49 That 2nd Doc from the left in the Druge photo looks like she might be related to Michelle O in a Sasquatch kinda way.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 03, 2010 01:42 PM (tf9Ne)

50 But seriously why can't they tether their phone to get the internet onto their laptop?

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 05:41 PM (p302b)

Uh, I'm thinkin' they don't have a laptop either.

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 01:43 PM (VuLos)

51 I'm invited to a press conference for Barack Obama. Record release parties are great! What is their album called?

Posted by: Dr Johnny Fever at March 03, 2010 05:41 PM (4Kl5M)

Just don't do your helicopter flyover again.

Thanks

Posted by: The Turkeys at March 03, 2010 01:43 PM (ucq49)

52 Calling Dr Love!

Posted by: Gene f'in Simmons at March 03, 2010 01:44 PM (4Kl5M)

53 Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 05:43 PM (VuLos)

But that makes no sense.  My lib/dem friends routinely let the latest greatest tech and then they donate their old tech to these websites so the phones and laptops and such can be recycled and given to someone in another poorer country.   So, if this second hand (not really cause these people replace stuff like every 6 months) tech is going to other poor countries why would they do that if people in our own country don't have the tech?  Why isn't it going to the 4% in our country then?

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 01:46 PM (p302b)

54 All your Kamakaze's are belong us!

Posted by: The Suicidal Democrap Party at March 03, 2010 01:47 PM (Vu6sl)

55

Uh, Rep. Raúl Grijalva, is a leader.  Whatever.

Posted by: hazchic at March 03, 2010 01:47 PM (cxe/m)

56 Let's not jump to conclusions. Everyone but me is acting stupidly!

Posted by: Barry Obama at March 03, 2010 01:49 PM (xMHQI)

57 Why isn't it going to the 4% in our country then?

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 05:46 PM (p302b)

Did Beck mention what that 4% consisted of?  They may not be poor, they may be older people who don't want or need a computer.  I know several older people who have no computer in their house, nor do they want one.

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 01:50 PM (VuLos)

58

I'd love to know just who those useful idiots were standing behind him. 

The last time he did this rediculous white coat schtick, they published the names and states of the doctors. I looked up about half of them. They were either university employees, non-profit employees, or black. The black docs were all very young and thus were probably more idealogical than realistic.

Essentially they are lefty hacks who couldn't get a decent job

Posted by: dagny at March 03, 2010 01:51 PM (sXJYA)

59 I wasn't invited.

Posted by: Dr. Feelgood at March 03, 2010 01:51 PM (cpuvG)

60 If they dont have the votes, they should just let it die now and move on, but they are so radical they can't do it and it is hurting them everyday!

Posted by: Dan at March 03, 2010 01:52 PM (1jzSs)

61

Eric Massa is retiring?   Andrew Sullivan weeps.And is on the phone asking Eric to come over for a sleepover, maybe a little game of pitch and catch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 03, 2010 05:24 PM (T1boi)


Funny thing, though, he said don't bother with the mitt, just bring balls.

Posted by: real joe at March 03, 2010 01:52 PM (YpKIQ)

62 Nor was I, comrade.

Posted by: Dr. Zhivago at March 03, 2010 01:52 PM (xMHQI)

63 There are areas of this country, West Va mountains for example where you can't get cell coverage or cable. I don't even know if you can get satellite. Many of those people live there by choice because it is far out of the way.

Posted by: dagny at March 03, 2010 01:52 PM (sXJYA)

64 I met Massa in a bar once, he was very polite, he offered to push in my stool.

Posted by: real joe at March 03, 2010 01:53 PM (YpKIQ)

65 This is all very surreal.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove at March 03, 2010 01:53 PM (WiOnI)

66 they should just let it die now and move on

We'll make that decision, thank you very much.

Posted by: Death Panels at March 03, 2010 01:53 PM (cpuvG)

67 Gentlemen, lets not burrow our heads, too deeply, in that hard, hairy, Wook pillow, just yet.

Posted by: Barry "mercy please" Oblunder at March 03, 2010 01:54 PM (ucq49)

68

Essentially they are lefty hacks who couldn't get a decent job

 

Gosh, don't you think that a media that was doing its job would find out who these people are as being germane to the discussion?  I'm sure if there ever were any true "stooges" of the insurance industry at any of those tea parties, our ever inquisitive media would have ferretted this information out.  I'm so mad, I can hardly type straight!  The media is so complicit in all of this crap.  They don't have much to say about any of the numerous Democrat scandals going on currently, but they were able to send hordes of reporters to Wasilla, Alaska to dig up every teaspoonful of dirt on the Palins.  I'm so disgusted.

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 01:54 PM (CfmlF)

69 67  Brain bleach, please.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 01:56 PM (UOM48)

70 Yea, the Democratic Socialists of America are influential.

It's not like their membership is in the White House or anything like that.

Obama is unpredictable, but he doesn't have the votes to pass...uhh...what is he trying to pass anyway?

Does he have a bill yet?

Posted by: wtfci at March 03, 2010 01:56 PM (+zo63)

71 #68 what does it matter that they are German?

Posted by: hobbes at March 03, 2010 01:56 PM (WiOnI)

72 I was in the front row!

Posted by: Dr. Jekyll at March 03, 2010 01:56 PM (cpuvG)

73 I remember Massa!  Here's everything you need to know about him in a nutshell:  http://tinyurl.com/yglbfbz

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 01:57 PM (CfmlF)

74

"Because the new Obama plan is too conservative" ?

That's a fly and maggot-covered red herring rotting on the dock under a hot August Savanna sun.

Translation: "I can't vote for the new Obama plan because it's a dog-shit sandwich, and I only eat cat-shit sandwiches."

Posted by: Drillanwr at March 03, 2010 01:58 PM (1kwr2)

75 Does he have a bill yet?

Posted by: wtfci at March 03, 2010 05:56 PM (+zo63)

Yeah....what happened to that 'smaller' bill that was suppose to come out today?  Or Bambi's bill that come out several days ago?  Which bill exactly is he referring to or does anyone know WTF is going on?

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 01:58 PM (VuLos)

76

Normally Greta tweets about the nights show are cagey teases.  Today she says: What Senator Casey said is very disturbing ...I think you will agree...

I canNOT miss the series finale of Nip/Tuck, but, I do wonder what this is.  Hmmmmmm

Posted by: sybilll at March 03, 2010 01:59 PM (Bkxdw)

77 Does anyone remember when we were having a "hard pivot" to jobs?
It's sort of a vague memory for me, but I think it was like two weeks ago or something. I think it lasted like an hour, then we were back to this crap.

Anyhow...one thing that no one seems to be talking about is the fact that Obama wants to charge you for ten years of health care and only give you six. And he wants to start charging for it before you get anything.

If I had bigger balls I'd be praying he got his way on this. People tend to remember an un-lubed royal ass fucking.

Posted by: oh, Hi Mark at March 03, 2010 02:01 PM (tXg7Z)

78

"Because the new Obama plan is too conservative" ?

That's a fly and maggot-covered red herring rotting on the dock under a hot August Savanna sun.

Translation: "I can't vote for the new Obama plan because it's a dog-shit sandwich, and I only eat cat-shit sandwiches."




Bad translation.
Better Translation.
"Why should I vote for something that might allow us to limp on with a mostly private system when I could wait a few years for the current system to collapse and get single payer?"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 03, 2010 02:01 PM (0q2P7)

79 On the Brett Beir show they are reporting "backed by health care professionals"  So maybe not doctors but all SEIU union members who want to hurt this country.

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:02 PM (p302b)

80

Well, I hope these are real "no" votes as opposed to "give me something first" statements.

 

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 03, 2010 02:03 PM (Be4xl)

81

Dear Gentle Reader,

I'm thinking of updating Uncle Tom's Cabin.  Some of the dialogue is a bit archaic for this day and age.  I'm contemplating the following substitution.  Instead of Tom saying "Massa, Massa, don't beat me", I'm going to substitute that with "Don't taze me Bro."  I would appreciate your comments and feedback as to whether or not it's still in keeping with the original story.

Posted by: Harriet Beecher's Toe at March 03, 2010 02:05 PM (CfmlF)

82 Anyhow...one thing that no one seems to be talking about is the fact that Obama wants to charge you for ten years of health care and only give you six. And he wants to start charging for it before you get anything. The Ministry of Truth notes your thoughtcrime.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 03, 2010 02:05 PM (AZGON)

83 curious, when Andy Stern of SEIU is advising Barry on "fiscal" matters, I think it's pretty clear where President Wee Wee wants the country to go.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 02:06 PM (UOM48)

84 69 67  Brain bleach, please.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 05:56 PM (UOM4

Yea, but what about ME?

Think I was born with these ears?  No.  Multiple extractions by the Jaws of Life.

Brain bleach?  Doesn't work.  I'm fitted, nightly, with a "helmet", remotely actuated, low level/yield neutron bomb.  Hits my rest button.

Posted by: Barry the brazen at March 03, 2010 02:07 PM (ucq49)

85 wow, the SEIU website is a font of information.  They are planning a march on Washington and today they sent a letter to the president and all the lawmakers and the list of people who signed this letter is a mile long and by state.  These aren't doctors, they are health care workers and nurses.  And a lot of other government employees and such.  But not doctors.

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:09 PM (p302b)

86 Oddly neither my assistant or I were invited, except for the planning and assembly phases of course.

Posted by: Dr. Frankenstein at March 03, 2010 02:09 PM (1O93r)

87 "81

Dear Gentle Reader,

I'm thinking of updating Uncle Tom's Cabin.  Some of the dialogue is a bit archaic for this day and age.  I'm contemplating the following substitution.  Instead of Tom saying "Massa, Massa, don't beat me", I'm going to substitute that with "Don't taze me Bro."  I would appreciate your comments and feedback as to whether or not it's still in keeping with the original story.

Posted by: Harriet Beecher's Toe at March 03, 2010 06:05 PM (CfmlF)"

What about "song of the south" and shouldn't we get rid of any vestige of al jolson?

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:10 PM (p302b)

88 I was there to relay the Dear leaders words to the Speaker of the House

Posted by: Dr. Doolittle at March 03, 2010 02:11 PM (1O93r)

89 They won't let me out from behind the curtains either.

Posted by: Dr. Moreau at March 03, 2010 02:12 PM (1O93r)

90 ...this isn't a conflict between Republicans and Democrats, he notes, but between Democrats and America.

Now, there's a switch.

Posted by: Herr Blücher at March 03, 2010 02:12 PM (6Zu0T)

91 We keep referring to this as Obama's suicide mission, or the Obamakaze.

It's not like President Jughead Jones is on the ballot this year.  So, no matter what happens in November, he'll still be sitting in the Oval Office.

A better comparison would be the English high command of World War I, the generals who sat comfortably behind the lines in French villas while the British Tommies charged into German machineguns.




Posted by: DelD at March 03, 2010 02:12 PM (eWtdM)

92 Notice the map of SEIU locals, some states were smart enough not to let them in or to let them prosper.  And they aren't clear What the hell is a service employee anyway?  Who are they covering?

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:13 PM (p302b)

93 88 I was there to relay the Dear leaders words to the Speaker of the House

Posted by: Dr. Doolittle at March 03, 2010 06:11 PM (1O93r)

I was there, in St Petersberg, when it was time for a change

Posted by: Sympathy for Obama at March 03, 2010 02:13 PM (ucq49)

94

The petulance and stupidity of liberals never ceases to amaze.

Do the extremist-left (aka "progressives") Congresscritters not understand that the bill is just an incremental step towards single payer socialist health care, or are they just too impatient to get there through incremental steps?

They could've passed a bill that would reliably lead to socialist healthcare simply by toning down the abortion language and some of the more nefarious provisions.  A bill that would still impose restrictions on private insurers and create a public "option" that could (and likely would) be expanded later into single payer could've overcome a filibuster. 

Instead it ended up a convoluted mess that pleased nobody.  I shudder to think of the damage the Dems could've pulled off with a filibuster-proof majority in Congress and Obama in the White House were they not so short-sighted and stupid.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 03, 2010 02:13 PM (plsiE)

95 Looks good to me.

Posted by: Dr. Doom at March 03, 2010 02:13 PM (AZGON)

96 We know a number of doctors, and with the exception of one (who oddly enough is a Cuban refugee), they're all conservatives and deeply concerned about what this bill will do to the country.  The Cuban refugee doc loves Barry.  We love our doc friend, but there is no reasoning with him.  And yeah, he blames everything on Booosh.  And he actually believes that our healthcare is among the worst evah, anywhere.  Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 02:13 PM (UOM48)

Posted by: Honor and then the sword PBUH at March 03, 2010 02:13 PM (Vu6sl)

98 The coming unemployment numbers are not O/T.  They are expecting something really bad and I notice the media picked up on that ridiculous "winter storm" meme.

Winter.  And snow.  Whoda thunk it?

Posted by: AmishDude at March 03, 2010 02:14 PM (T0NGe)

99 And he actually believes that our healthcare is among the worst evah, anywhere.  Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 06:13 PM (UOM4

So, he stays here why?

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 02:15 PM (VuLos)

100 85 wow, the SEIU website is a font of information.  They are planning a march on Washington and today they sent a letter to the president and all the lawmakers and the list of people who signed this letter is a mile long and by state.  These aren't doctors, they are health care workers and nurses.  And a lot of other government employees and such.  But not doctors.

 

 

SEIU gave Teh Bamster a lot of money to get elected.  They are an absolutely vile, evil, corrupt organization.  Unfortunately, they represent the nurses at our hospital.  Our hospital was trying to cut the pension benefit (they cannot afford it) and wanted to change it to a 403B instead.  SEIU was threatening to go on strike (which was just absurd as the economy was turning sour at the time), and none of the rank and file non-nutter union nurses supported this.  The Union worked out a deal where only Union members continue to get the defined pension benefit.  Non-union workers (like me cause I'm grandfathered in, now we're closed shop) got their retirements switched over.  The hospitals in my area are deathly afraid of SEIU (which seems to represent the majority of nurses in the majority of hospitals). 


Posted by: Harriet Beecher's Toe at March 03, 2010 02:16 PM (CfmlF)

101 But what about the NCAA Bowl Championship Series?

Posted by: Lou 'The Terminator' Holtz at March 03, 2010 02:16 PM (qO6T2)

102 Wow all the power on this reconciliation belongs to Joe Biden.....

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:16 PM (p302b)

103 What, is there some issue regarding Health Care?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 03, 2010 02:17 PM (nxUYP)

104

Oops, darn sock!

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:18 PM (CfmlF)

105 Tami@99 Because he's got a good gig and knows it.  Unfortunately, he drank the liberal kool aide from an early age.  I'm afraid he's terminal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 02:18 PM (UOM48)

106

Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus

How are those open borders working out?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 03, 2010 02:18 PM (ujg0T)

107 Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 06:18 PM (CfmlF)
Harriet Beecher's Toe

WTF?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 03, 2010 02:18 PM (nxUYP)

108 That last part of Beck's show was pretty powerful talking about "the right to work" which is really a union term, least that is where I first heard it and then pointing out it comes from the communist constitution.  So I'm wondering if we can begin assuming that all union members are communists and that that guy in the 50's who was so maligned may not have been so wrong.

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:19 PM (p302b)

109 I was there

Posted by: Dr. Sigmund Freud at March 03, 2010 02:20 PM (erIg9)

110 This will not end well

Posted by: Hippocrates at March 03, 2010 02:21 PM (erIg9)

111 Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 06:19 PM (p302b)

McCarthy was a drunken fool, but so right and so far ahead of his time, that he deserves a special place in history. Not a footnote..."Have you no shame".

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 03, 2010 02:21 PM (nxUYP)

112 I lubs me taem der

Posted by: the shining at March 03, 2010 02:21 PM (ucq49)

113 I think I was there. Maybe. Was I?

Posted by: Dr. Alois Alzheimer at March 03, 2010 02:21 PM (erIg9)

114 I'm pretty sure Kucinich won't "take one for the team" and vote "Yes" and possibly be voted out for doing so (although the simpletons that put him in office are capable of industrial-strength dumbfuckery).  The sawed-off cocksucker is incapable of doing any real work for a living and is familiar with being out of office and not having dick for income; so I doubt that he's gonna bend over and grab his ankles for something he doesn't agree with anyway.  He is a full-tilt commie so if the bill was libbed up to the max he'd eagerly vote for federal slavery for everybody.  In fact I'm sure that's the little quisling's long-term goal.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 03, 2010 02:22 PM (ypGDY)

115 The libs are freaking out over Grijalva's indiciation that he may vote against the bill.  They're planning on swamping his phone with calls.

Posted by: enoxo at March 03, 2010 02:22 PM (QlPoa)

116 If you don't already, I think today would be a good day to tune in to Fox's online after show.  Charles Krauthammer should be quite vocal about nuclear option. 

Posted by: sybilll at March 03, 2010 02:22 PM (Bkxdw)

117 I was there.



FUCK!

Posted by: Dr.Georges Albert Édouard Brutus Gilles de la Tourette at March 03, 2010 02:22 PM (erIg9)

118 Unfortunately, he drank the liberal kool aide from an early age.  I'm afraid he's terminal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 06:18 PM (UOM4

Interesting...coming from a Cuban refugee.

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2010 02:23 PM (VuLos)

119 I was there, I was killing em, killing em!

Posted by: Dr. Jack Kevorkian at March 03, 2010 02:23 PM (erIg9)

120 I was there, you know, the tooth guy?

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh at March 03, 2010 02:25 PM (erIg9)

121 Was it an eeevil press conference?

Posted by: Dr. Evil at March 03, 2010 02:26 PM (erIg9)

122 113 I think I was there. Maybe. Was I?

Posted by: Dr. Alois Alzheimer at March 03, 2010 06:21 PM (erIg9)

I think I was there.  I think.  ergo, I was there.  What was the question again?

Posted by: libtard vastly superior reasoning ability at March 03, 2010 02:26 PM (ucq49)

123 Tami, you'd be surprised at the number of Cuban immigrants we know who are libs.  The mind boggles.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 02:27 PM (UOM48)

124 Well there you have it, Olympia Snowe is calling for congressional hearings to investigate the Air traffic controller whose kids were out of school who bought them to work cause probably there was no one to watch them cause probably his was the better of the two jobs to put up with this, the mom's job probably would have been put in jeopardy and now his job is in jeopardy.  This is a dumb move for snowe.  She should have waited for the dems to come to the guys defense

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:27 PM (p302b)

125 117 I was there.



FUCK!

Posted by: Dr.Georges Albert Édouard Brutus Gilles de la Tourette at March 03, 2010 06:22 PM (erIg9)

Fucking whore bitch!!!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 03, 2010 02:28 PM (nxUYP)

126 sure, they get their education in the US, hey get pushed through by affirmative action and the quotas by race and the white guy with the perfect score on the MCAT and a 4.0 gets told to go suck an egg. 

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:29 PM (p302b)

127 Mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm, Barack Hussein Obama, mmmm, mmmm, mmmm.

Posted by: Harriet Beecher's cameltoe at March 03, 2010 02:30 PM (qO6T2)

128 I was there too.  Anything I can do to support those Obama twins, Michelle and Barak.  They're so identical, I have trouble telling them apart!  They both inherited the "superior, hectoring, lecturing nag" gene.

Posted by: Dr. Mengele at March 03, 2010 02:30 PM (CfmlF)

129 124 Well there you have it, Olympia Snowe is calling for congressional hearings to investigate the Air traffic controller whose kids were out of school who bought them to work cause probably there was no one to watch them cause probably his was the better of the two jobs to put up with this, the mom's job probably would have been put in jeopardy and now his job is in jeopardy.  This is a dumb move for snowe.  She should have waited for the dems to come to the guys defense

 

Heh, when Rush played the clip of that kid this a.m., he said the kid sounded more confident and competent than the inexperienced child that was elected president.


Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:32 PM (CfmlF)

130
Re #4 Dave R.
"Don't get excited.  They're just waiting for their bribes."

Whatever bribes they can get up until November.  After that Pelosi isn't going to be able to get them discount tickets for Disneyland.


Posted by: RayJ at March 03, 2010 02:33 PM (//Bcg)

131 Rangel........GONE!!!!

Posted by: pendejo grande at March 03, 2010 02:33 PM (ipxsa)

132 I'm sure I was there, but I can't remember which day.

Posted by: Dr. Alois Halfs-zheimer at March 03, 2010 02:33 PM (qO6T2)

133 That he is even mumbling this is shocking to me.  The progressives apparently don't want to be hung out to dry here.  They don't like him.

All Obama is running on now is that if you don't support this, you are against him personally.

And apparently the progressive caucus doesn't mind at all.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 03, 2010 02:34 PM (T0NGe)

134
Obama selling judgeships for health care votes?!

Jeez that's just shameless Chicago Machinism.  They don't even care if anyone knows, they're just going to brazenly hand out gifts for votes.  Unbelievable.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 03, 2010 02:34 PM (v7IWy)

135 132 Rangel........GONE!!!!

Posted by: pendejo grande at March 03, 2010 06:33 PM (ipxsa)


gone gone?

Posted by: Unclefacts, SUMMONER at March 03, 2010 02:35 PM (erIg9)

136

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 06:31 PM (omtdM)

 

Color me unsurprised.  I'm sure the media won't even bother to even glance at this story.  Elections have consequences.  The Chicago Thug Machine is in full force.  If they can't buy people off, then they'll start threatening them.  I hate our Obama pep-squad media.  They will always carry his water for him and look the other way when he commits any malfeasance.

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:35 PM (CfmlF)

137 136 132 Rangel........GONE!!!!

Posted by: pendejo grande at March 03, 2010 06:33 PM (ipxsa)


gone gone?

 

Isn't that just a temporary thing?


Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:37 PM (CfmlF)

138

"All Obama is running on now is that if you don't support this, you are against him personally."

Personally?  Maybe something more?  A time honored, Dim position, after they have nothing else to stand/campaign on?

Couldn't be me!

Posted by: the Race Card at March 03, 2010 02:38 PM (ucq49)

139

OT (an open thread needed, with all the OTs?)...

The long row-back has to start with that first tentative pull at the oars, and the NYT may have just taken it.  Lots of stuff oh-so-casually mentioned in here that NYT readers will have never heard a whisper of.  Interesting times, coming up.

Posted by: sherlock at March 03, 2010 02:38 PM (fKPuo)

140

Isn't that just a temporary thing?

Yeah, he's not gone until his wife and daughter are dropping "Do You Know Who I Am's" on the traffic cops at the funeral.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 03, 2010 02:38 PM (v7IWy)

141 running, this is what I'd been seeing all day. that he was taking a leave of absence, which there is no such thing in the house rules as far as I could tell.

of course, Cholly's shown time and again, that rules are for the little people

Posted by: Unclefacts, SUMMONER at March 03, 2010 02:39 PM (erIg9)

142

The real upside to Obama's ad nauseam quest for an American dictatorship is that my wingnut brother is getting scared shitless with each passing day. That alone brings a few rays of sunlight after the past year's unrelentingly cloudy gloom and doom.

My bumpersticker: Conservative For Scaring My Brother!

Posted by: Antimatter at March 03, 2010 02:40 PM (gbCNS)

143

More on Massa from The Hill:

Massa announced he would retire from Congress after just one term, but said reports that he is under investigation for sexually harassing a male staffer are besides the point.

"There are blogs who are saying that I'm leaving because there are charges of harrassment against my staff," Massa said. "Do I or have I ever used salty language when I'm angry — especially in the privacy of my inner office or even at home? Yes, I have. And I have apologized to those where it's appropriate. But those kind of articles, unsubstantiated without fact or backing, are a symptom of what's wrong with this city."

Massa said he recently underwent his third major cancer recurrence scare, in December.

A 20-year Navy veteran who is married and has children, he was originally diagnosed with non-HogkinÂ’s lymphoma while he served in the military.

“I'm a very salty guy and a very direct guy, and I run at about 100 miles per hour," he said. "My doctors have made it clear to me that I can no longer do that."

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:40 PM (CfmlF)

144

 Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus,

This idiot has got to be from Tucson. If you want to speak to the most retared people on the planet....go to Tucson! If you want your Son or Daughter to end up as a un-educated brainwashed indoctrinated Leftist Commie Scumbag send them to the University of Arizona in Tucson.

If he isn't from Tucson, then he is from the NorthEast corner (refer to Tucson)!

Posted by: Jimi at March 03, 2010 02:41 PM (fqxV7)

145

"All Obama is running on now is that if you don't support this, you are against him personally."

Yo.

Posted by: Cicero at March 03, 2010 02:42 PM (QKKT0)

146 144 running, this is what I'd been seeing all day. that he was taking a leave of absence, which there is no such thing in the house rules as far as I could tell.

of course, Cholly's shown time and again, that rules are for the little people

 

Yeah, Unclefacts, I took a quick looksee on teh web, and I didn't see anything other than his "temporarily no longer being Chairman of Ways and Means". 


Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:42 PM (CfmlF)

147 Massa's a dirtbag, he ran a very nasty campaign and now he wants us to think that him sexually harassing a staffer is no biggie.

yeah, keep electing those liberal democrats new york, it's working out SO FUCKING WELL SO FAR

Posted by: Unclefacts, SUMMONER at March 03, 2010 02:42 PM (erIg9)

148 Some Republican needs to stand up and dare the Dem's to do officially what they are right now doing stealthily.  Repeal the filibuster.  Let them know that they aren't going to pass this piece of shit with 50+1 votes in the Senate and then expect the Republicans to get to 60 votes to overturn it. If the Dems pass this monstrosity the Republicans will have 50 Senate votes most likely, hopefully 51 by 2011.  At that point with the taxes and regulation Obamacare will be very unpopular (the benefits won't even have kicked in), unemployment will spike and the Republicans will be coming off of a drubbing of the Dems.  Then they repeal the filibuster, repeal Obamacare and dare Obama to veto the repeal.  If he repeals it he'll lose in 2012 and whoever's President then can preside over the actual execution. 

I realize that doing away with the filibuster will have pretty drastic unseen and easily foreseeable negative consequences but it will have been the Democrats call.   

Posted by: Big E at March 03, 2010 02:46 PM (VOigi)

149

"yeah, keep electing those liberal democrats new york, it's working out SO FUCKING WELL SO FAR"

Works for me.  All you Blue states and cities.  Keep doin what you do best.  Failin.

I await you w/ open arms.

Posted by: junk-junk bonds at March 03, 2010 02:46 PM (ucq49)

150 Anyone else want to rent a white coat?

Posted by: Lab Coats R Us at March 03, 2010 02:47 PM (qO6T2)

151 Michael Savage doing a very good job of using Amity Schlays book "the forgotten man" as a blue print for what was done to the chicken butchers in Brooklyn and what is being done to health care now.  Yep, they will be regulated to death, you won't be able to survive if you are a small business dealing with health care.  Savage cannot understand why people aren't getting this and are not furious and saying so 

BTW, heard that BO sent out two emails today on health care, instructing them to push their friends and family to push the congress and senate peeps to vote this in already.

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 02:47 PM (p302b)

152 On the off chance that the Dems can't pass this thing (and I know that's a very slim chance), who will Teh Bamster throw under the bus first?

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:53 PM (CfmlF)

153

Fair and balanced at Fox:

GOP is turning to a familiar tactic in last-ditch effort to stall health care bill: make noise in town hall meetings, media

No bias in that wording is there?

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 02:55 PM (QrA9E)

154 154 Michael Savage doing a very good job of using Amity Schlays book "the forgotten man" as a blue print for what was done to the chicken butchers in Brooklyn and what is being done to health care now.  Yep, they will be regulated to death, you won't be able to survive if you are a small business dealing with health care.  Savage cannot understand why people aren't getting this and are not furious and saying so 

BTW, heard that BO sent out two emails today on health care, instructing them to push their friends and family to push the congress and senate peeps to vote this in already.

 

 

Can you imagine if the Bush administration did this crap?  Oh the outrage and outcry there would be!  We don't have a President, we have a community agitator, grievance monger in chief.  Unbelievable.



 

Posted by: runningrn at March 03, 2010 02:55 PM (CfmlF)

155 mmmmmm...waffles...

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 03:06 PM (/NZLf)

156

If Nancy manages to get enough votes in the house to pass the Senate bill, there won't be a reconciliation bill.   Obama will have to sign the Senate bill passed in the House before they can do reconciliation.   The House may come up with one, but then they have to pass that, too, before it goes to the Senate.   Will there be 51 votes in the Senate to change a bill, (actually add more to it, and take some things away), that barely squeaked thru the Senate the first time?   Odumbass does not care about anyone, but himself.  If those idiots are stupid enough to trust him on this, then they're more stupid than we think, and that's saying something.

Still, I won't breathe easy until this carcass is stinkin' & maggot infested.

Posted by: Steph at March 03, 2010 03:10 PM (riZEn)

157 This was the option if the summit failed to show Republicans as obstructionists I guess. Throw a couple of bones in to make it look like "concession" and keep ramming it through.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 03, 2010 03:16 PM (0q2P7)

158

No bias in that wording is there?

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 06:55 PM (QrA9E)


Those assholes lost me when they endorsed McCain up and down during the primaries. I don't know what's going on there.

Posted by: The Mega Indepdendent at March 03, 2010 03:41 PM (5I0Yr)

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 03:43 PM (/NZLf)

160 A whole bunch of Democrats claimed they wouldn't vote for the health care bill in the House last time around, Merkley from Oregon claimed he wouldn't because it wasn't big and extensive enough. He voted for it anyway, they all did.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2010 03:44 PM (PQY7w)

161 #164
not all of the progressives voted for it last time.

Kucinich is a total kook, but he stands by his kookiness and won't vote for anything less than the public option. I give him credit for that.

But theres maybe only 6 or 7 true-blood liberals that actually believe the bullshit they spew, so don't count on a progressive block to the HC.

Posted by: theoneandonlyfinn at March 03, 2010 03:48 PM (lV4Fs)

162 If Nancy manages to get enough votes in the house to pass the Senate bill, there won't be a reconciliation bill.   Obama will have to sign the Senate bill passed in the House before they can do reconciliation. 

Wait -- once teh One signs it, doesn't the bill become law?

Posted by: arhooley at March 03, 2010 03:50 PM (2zkIP)

163 I'll trade one RINO for two DINO's any day.

Posted by: torabora at March 03, 2010 03:51 PM (U4QtB)

164

Wow, Ace, you're on a roll. For three consecutive days now, you and Drew have been putting up consistently interesting articles here ..., and whoa, they've been well written, too. Kudos.

You're almost there, guy. In few more years, you'll be ready to apply for a  G.E.D.  

Posted by: Brian at March 03, 2010 04:12 PM (ITzbJ)

165 Evening all.  I hate to be spoil sport but what makes any of us think that these left wing dems that say they are going to, or are inclined to vote against this mess will actually do so?  They know this will be their only shot at getting any kind bill through as in November they may actually lose the house altogether and along with it any chance at getting their changes in.  It could just be smoke to try to convince conservatives that they have more nay votes then they actually do.  I suppose that it could be a pressure tactic to try to get the exteme liberal version back in.  Thoughts?

Posted by: scr_north at March 03, 2010 04:18 PM (PghNl)

166

"You're almost there, guy. In few more years, you'll be ready to apply for a  G.E.D. "

GED?  Git er done?

Posted by: larry the whatever at March 03, 2010 04:27 PM (ucq49)

167 They are lying. All of them. Lying sacks of crap. Obama and Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic Socialists of America now known as the Progressives will do whatever they can to rush this now as they know this is their only shot. Get on the phones now! Why are we not continuing to slam them with calls, etc. and yell at them like at the townhalls? I hate them all.

Posted by: obamastillsuck at March 03, 2010 04:50 PM (N2Zx0)

168 25 Obamakaze Press Conference Photo

Posted by: conscious and really Fn' pissed off at March 03, 2010 05:27 PM (Vu6sl)

Real Kamikaze were brave. Odumbo? Crazed, but not brave.

Posted by: torabora at March 03, 2010 05:35 PM (U4QtB)

169

Nancy will do a  private strip-tease, complete with

pasties, fishnets, and stiletto heels.....for all the

"undecideds".  Rumor has it that Michael Moore

will get it on film.  I'm getting my 3-D glasses out

of the desk drawer for this blockbuster.

Posted by: grizzlybare at March 03, 2010 08:17 PM (V5kav)

170 Why are we not continuing to slam them with calls, etc. and yell at them like at the townhalls?

We are, they're just not paying attention and the legacy media is conveniently... also not paying attention.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2010 08:49 PM (PQY7w)

171

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172 Obama's aberration is the biggest entitlement program in our history and it completely removes your right to choose your doctor and will determine whether you live or die based on the cost effectiveness of saving your life. You will be forced to pay for this disgusting garbage and if you don't you will be disciplined and fined. And seniors . . . watch out because Medicare will be destroyed and you'll be lucky if you can find a doctor that will provide you care. Only a hardened communist or a fool could love this beast and it must be stopped at all costs. Don't believe what the left is touting because they will lie and cheat to pass this legislation and gain total control over your lives. Question every part of it . . . get straight answers and accept nothing short of the truth because your lives and liberties depend on it.

Posted by: rplat at March 04, 2010 04:48 AM (G1ArL)

173

Even the retiring Brian Baird -- almost counted as a gimme no-to-yes vote, because he's retiring and can afford to stick his thumb in the eye of his constituents -- isn't on board quite yet:

I see this rationale a lot, but it doesn't make sense - why would a retiring representative go and slap his constituents?  Why would he act any differently than he has already acted throughout his career?  Why would a retiring representative make it difficult for his party to retain that seat?

Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 04, 2010 07:06 AM (O9Cc8)

174 they don't have the votes or they would have already voted.

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