1 ITÂ’S NOT happening the way President Obama had planned. Unemployment blew past his 8 percent ceiling and hasnÂ’t looked back. Private sector investment in new jobs and capital has languished. Even the head of the presidentÂ’s Council of Economic Advisers, Christina Romer, has resigned.

Grow jobs and shrink government - Why isn't the President aware of this simple idea?

2 “We won! We won! It’s over! We brought democracy to Iraq!” a soldier shouted as fellow soldiers celebrated their arrival in Kuwait this week.

Do we have a definitive answer to the ever so snide inquiry "What will victory look like?" yet?

3 100% right about the debt we owe our military, ace. It can't be said often enough.

But this is still a "WTF" moment. The Iraqis can hack it on their own now? Does this mean another round of Bush-blaming when they dissolve into sectarian violence and the terrorists start ramping up their activities?

It shouldn't but it will. Anyone with sense has to know this is now completely on Osama Obama.

I hope Iraq can hold it together. For some reason, I have a feeling they can't.

4 ITÂ’S NOT happening the way....


????

5 I have heard murmers that this was happening this week...but not much fanfare.

6 These men & women took out a dictator and freed a nation. Let's hope the Iraqis can keep it.

7

I don't think anyone can really express the depths of gratitude we must all share for the dangerous, dirty work these heroes did.

Seconded.  It would be nice for the MFM to take notice, a parade in NYC would be nice.  Something.

I know this isn't a traditional war with a clear cut surrender and end.  They deserve better though.

8 In accordance with Bush's plans.

9 My heart goes out to the loved ones of those who didn't come home.  And the Bastard-in-Chief couldn't utter the word, "won".  I'll hate him always for that.

10 Its been known for a while, as per the Bush schedule.

Congratulations and Godspeed to our military heroes.

11

I don't know what to think about this. Ace is right about the debt we owe these guys, but I highly doubt if Iraq will be a peaceful place, repellent to savage Muslims. Or Muslim savages, whichever.

12

Seconded.  It would be nice for the MFM to take notice, a parade in NYC would be nice.  Something

That smacks of Victory and I'll have none of it!

13 The helicopters that were supposed to be picking everyone off rooftops in Baghdad according to the now-Vice President of the United States could not be reached for comment.

14 Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they made a difference in the world, but the Marines don't have that problem.  (soldiers, too)

15 We all better pray that we don't end up having to go back into Iraq.  Even the esteemed Tariq Aziz, the "moderate face of Saddam Hussein's regime," says he believes the US withdrawal at this time is just "throwing Iraq to the wolves."

16 I hope we ended it the best way and at the best time we could, and God bless the men and women who fought to defend our freedoms and bring them to a grateful people who lived under a ruthless dictatorship.

17 Let's see how Afghanistan plays out.  Think Barry will let us fight to win?  No?  And every time I see another kid from Georgia coming home in a box (any kid, any where) and there's Barry on the golf course, I feel a white-hot rage.

18
All thanks to our amazing brave men and women in our fine Military forces.

*Salute!*


No thanks to Harry Reid.
No thanks to the democrats who are captured on tape saying Iraq was doomed to fail and that it was a mistake.  & a hearty "screw you" to Joe Biden for his disgusting proclamation that Obama won the war.
No, jackass.  Our fine military won the war.  General Petreaus won the war.  President Bush, too. After all, the left reminded us endlessly that it was "Bush's war".

19 While the combat units have pulled out, remember we still have around 50k troops over there.  The guy living behind me in my neighborhood shipped out yesterday to teach Iraqi Air Force personnel how to pack parachutes. 

20 The fact is, our guys did win.  If Iraq proceeds to lose what we gave them, it doesn't take away that fact.

21 I know what we should do- we should build a Mosque and Community Center in Arlington National Cemetery to encourage dialogue and interfaith outreach in their honour.

22 4,415 service members died during combat operations in Iraq. While that is a painful number, we should remember that it is about 4 days worth of casualties in WWII. While the Iraq War was a painful experience, it was also a magnificent one. I am in awe of the young soldiers of today.

23 Peace and democracy my ass. As far as i've checked, Iraq is still Arab

24 Amen!  Amen!  God Bless our troops!

25

Oh ye of little faith.  I will be having a special commendation ceremony in the Rose Garden soon, wherein I will bestow medals upon *all* combatants in the War of Bush's Folly Excepting The Good Aspects For Which I Alone Am Responsible.

Everybody plays, everybody wins.  I learned that from Little League, which I understand is a popular pastime in Amerikkka.  Not that I would ever have deigned to play such shit whilst I was a young Godling in Indonesia.

26 Yeah, I watched Fox interviewing a few of the Sarges. I was praying for one of them to say "How's my ass taste now Dingy Harry".

27 Oh, and will the Mansion House Inn have to revise their sign now?

28

That smacks of Victory and I'll have none of it!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2010 06:54 PM (MPnd6)

Indeed. Triumphalism is for Muslims only.

Prior to the Coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Left warned of a bloodbath. Saddam's army was the third-largest in the world; it had advanced weaponry, much from France and other top armament producers; its chemical weapons would rain down on the invaders. Media reports of the military ordering up 200,000 body bags for U.S. service members deepened the atmosphere of dread.

In the actual event, Iraq's military proved extremely weak. The invasion moved swiftly and Baghdad fell in just three weeks.

But rather than exult in the swift victory and express gratitude for the light loss of American and British lives, the Left instead invoked an even greater danger ahead. America, it warned, was going to fall victim to a demonic force of its own making: Triumphalism.

American triumphalism, they said, would turn the Iraqi people against us. Shi'ite triumphalism would alienate the Sunni and cause them to engage in sectarian violence. The British in Basra were held up as a model of moderation: unlike the Americans with their imposing and fearsome helmets and dark glasses, the Tommies patrolled Basra in berets and uncovered faces.

Looking back, certainly Shi'ite triumphalism stoked Sunni fear and anger, but not as much as the Sadrite Shi'ite militia or the Islamofascist influence of Al-Qaeda or the resentment of deposed Ba'ath party members did. And the British seemed early on to be winning the hearts and minds of the people of Basra -- until the city started on a downward spiral of terrorism and murder, and a few of the British soldiers turned out to be bad apples willing to torture and kill Iraqis in their custody.

But the Left had a valid point about Triumphalism: putting up monuments to act as a constant reminder to the people you defeated of their failure is much more likely to make them hate you than love you. And even if your intention and belief is that the monument should only represent respect and honor to the victors and not malice or humiliation to the vanquished, it's unlikely the vanquished will see it that way.

So who in their right mind would defend the Park51 project as a good idea for promoting respectful dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims? Even if the developers' intentions are pure, they should be now realize that a lot of non-Muslims don't see it that way.

And there are a few Muslims who go further and ascribe malicious intent to the developers. The Dubai-based general manager of Al-Arabiya television, Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid, says, "I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime." Canadian Muslim writers Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah go further:

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna."

Maybe we ought to believe these people, who understand Islamic sensibilities from the inside, when they say that they understand how Park51 could be seen as triumphalist, and may indeed be intended as an expression of triumphalism.

But the Left, which used to rail against the evils of Triumphalism, now gives it their full-throated endorsement. And they turn a blind eye to the actual Muslims warning against Park51's triumphalism. Peter Beinart at the Daily Beast writes, "ItÂ’s telling that the people Republicans are turning to for their anti-mosque street cred are not 'moderate, peace-loving' Muslims, since even Muslim Republicans are disgusted by their partyÂ’s actions. The GOPÂ’s new heroes are former Muslims like Nonie Darwish and Ayaan Hirsi Ali." Nor does he reserve his venom exclusively for Republicans: "WeÂ’re supposed to believe, we savvy, pragmatic liberals, that the Democrats fleeing the anti-Muslim stampede are mere opportunists, not actual bigots."

This isn't narrow-mindedness, it's razor-thin-mindedness, and it ignores the fact that America is in fact a far more tolerant and accepting country for Muslims than even many Muslim countries are. In the United States, Sunni or Shi'ite or Sufi or Ahmadi Muslims need not fear being murdered in their homes or mosques by the religious majority or oppressed by their government; the same cannot be said in Pakistan or Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Jonah Goldberg at National Review writes, "In any decent society, tolerance must work both ways. If the majority is expected to show respect for a minority, the minority must also show some tolerance for the values of the majority. I’m no strict majoritarian – one with right on his side is the majority as far as I’m concerned. But this isn’t a clear-cut issue of right and wrong. It’s more complicated than that. It’s about deference and decency and common sense. And one of the things common sense should tell us is that it is not only unfair but terribly ill-advised to portray 7 out of 10 Americans as bigots when they are anything but."

Common sense also tells us that anyone sincerely seeking dialogue between faiths and communities should avoid even the appearance of triumphalism -- and that anyone who persists in giving that appearance in the face of protests from a majority of his neighbors isn't at all sincere about peace and harmony.

29 Fallujah.

Semper Fidelis.

30

Congrats and my thanks for all the served and sacrificed in this war.

Semper fi

31 Thanks guys.

32 23 Peace and democracy my ass. As far as i've checked, Iraq is still Arab

Posted by: WeeWee at August 18, 2010 06:58 PM (M++6/)

Hey, fucker, my wife is Arab.  Qualify that shit straight away.

33 Hats off to the American Military today, and perhaps a moment or two of silence for those who didn't come home. 

God bless you all.

34 While that is a painful number, we should remember that it is about 4 days worth of casualties in WWII.

Posted by: XBradTC at August 18, 2010 06:57 PM (X0Ona)

Allied dead on D-Day totaled 4,414.

35 XBradTC@22

At least the Germans and Japanese wore uniforms, and didn't hide among women and children.  And our military didn't have the ridiculous ROE that puts our troops in even more danger. 

36 God bless those that have served and God bless those that gave all.

37

Shit does thsi mean that my 'Mission Accomplished' schtick is over??

But that's all I ever really had--now what?!

38 If you haven't seen it, here's a video that should be a headliner. GWB and Laura welcoming the troops back home in America. Bring a handkerchief or some tissues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOC_JjNFkVw

39 So it's too late to drop those pieces of shit Pelosi, Durbin, Reid, Moore, and the rest of the RAT traitors and their media whores right on Fallujah and let the Iraqis eat them?

40

@35: "At least the Germans and Japanese wore uniforms"

The Japanese often didn't - uniforms disintegrated in the jungles, and many opted for more minimalist coverings anyway.

For the most part, the Japanese didn't *need* uniforms.  In most of the island battles, it was pretty clear who was on which side, and civilians populations were minimal.

41 "OMG, I had no idea." see, that's the problem with politics: reality trumps the political.

42 39 So it's too late to drop those pieces of shit Pelosi, Durbin, Reid, Moore, and the rest of the RAT traitors and their media whores right on Fallujah and let the Iraqis eat them?

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson Airplane at August 18, 2010 07:07 PM (kcqZS)

Nope.  Actually, now is exactly the right time.

43

Mission Accomplished! Good job and God bless our troops.

Barry~don't EVEN think you had anything to do with this victory...you can't even say that WORD can you, fucktard?!?!

44 It's Bush's fault!

45 I swear on all that is holy, if Preznit Numbnuts makes a speech from the Vineyard taking credit for our winning in Iraq, I'm going to go on a week-long bender.  Just to keep my head from exploding and saying things that would have black helicopters circling my house.

46

A hearty THANK YOU to all of the brave men and women, to their families, and especially to those who were killed and wounded for this noble endeavor.  We are forever in your debt and I am looking forward to the parade.

There will be a parade, won't there?

Let's hope the Iraqis are worthy of their sacrifice. 

Many Americans aren't.  Including a certain President, Vice President,Senate Majority Leader, Speaker of the House and others who had abandoned our troops, wanted to surrender, wanted to divide the country into different states and undermined them every step of the way.

 

47 Couldn't be happier for these heroes.  Thanks to everyone of them.

And leaving in victory is sweet vindication indeed.  Thanks for nothing to O & the Dems.

48 Honestly, at this point, after 8 years of 2 wars, I don't think there's a single person in this country who didn't serve or doesn't know someone who served (family, or  friend) in Iraq or asscrackistan.

Well.  Unless you live in Berkeley.  Or Boulder.  Then you might.

49 A huge thank you to the troops, and God bless them all.

50

51 ... but, hey, i'm not just a critic. i can give props, too. Mr. Ace, in what was either a prognostication or a threat, did call it for obama early in the crat primaries way back when everything was coming up hillary. impressive. perceptive.

52 If there's a parade of any kind, I'll be beyond amazed.  Nope.  They'll just come home long enough to turn around and go fight Barky's "good" war in Afghanistan.  Barky will distract the 52%ers with his awesome golfing, vacationing, partying, and campaigning.

Ooooh.  Sheppy's excited.

53 46

A hearty THANK YOU to all of the brave men and women, to their families, and especially to those who were killed and wounded for this noble endeavor.  We are forever in your debt and I am looking forward to the parade.

There will be a parade, won't there?

Posted by: pistolero at August 18, 2010 07:10 PM (ziZ50)

With the current dumbasses in congress, the white house and pentagon?  Don't hold your breath.  Everyone between the CINC and SECDEF (included) doesn't give two shits about the warriors that have served and sacrificed.

Parade.

No. Chance.

54 Bush's fault, and Bush's schedule.

55 Where's Slow Joe been lately?  Duct-taped in a basement some where?

56 Why do I have a bad feeling about this? Seriously. Why doesn't this feel quite right?

57 Weren't all of our combat troops out of Viet Nam a couple of years before Saigon fell thanks to the Dems cutting aid to South Viet Nam?

58 If this was the end of WWII, Franklin Roosevelt would have been on the TV telling everyone what was going on!

59 Our troops have performed superbly.  Our current Commander-in-Chief, not.

I assume this quiet fade-out is in keeping with Obama's pronouncement some time ago that he didn't want a victory. 

To our troops:  thank you! 

60 If you haven't seen it, here's a video that should be a headliner. GWB and Laura welcoming the troops back home in America. Bring a handkerchief or some tissues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOC_JjNFkVw

Posted by: DaMav at August 18, 2010 07:07 PM (QNU76)

Thanks a lot, dude.  I'm at work and expecting my wife to show up any minute.

61 Why is it I have a strange feeling about this?  Why is it that I think I hear shit from Iran being sucked into a vacuum?  Why is it that instead of "we won the war" I'm getting "peace with honor".  I'm not taking anything away from the sacrifice our troops have made, but the vibes aren't good.  (Vietnam flashback??)

62 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOC_JjNFkVw

Posted by: DaMav at August 18, 2010 07:07 PM (QNU76)

Damn you...I have no makeup left on. 

63 .. but i still say as i did early on in 2003 that if you go into iraq you have to prepared for a 20 year endeavor. not a 20 year war (as it later seemed), but that america may have to be there for a good 20 years, just so there's the stability & example to nurture something resembling civilization and a civil society. we may leave entirely in 2011, but i (and the iraqi's) are a bit dubious on the wisdom of that. wtvr, dude.

64 by the way, ace, you should add that video to the post. 

65 Miss me now?

66 wtvr, dude, man, wtvr. right?

67 You're. Wel-come.

68

We have done everything we could. We removed a dictator. We gave them the chance to write a constitution, vote on that constitution, elect a parliament and then another.

They will either move into the 21st century or slide back into the 7th century. It's their choice.

We will not be back. If they can't keep what we gave them, it's no longer our problem.

I supported this war and its objectives. But I don't support another day of holding their apron strings waiting for them to be "ready" to defend their own nation.

69 It's actually being played live on MSNBC hosted by Olbermann and Matthews. You can here the disappointment in every question; "When will the troops left behind morph into combat troops", "Now that we are leaving who will attack first?". Even the reporter on the scene is cringing at the questions. But the soldiers look happy and satisfied. Great job to all the men and women of our armed forces and thank you.

70
Weren't all of our combat troops out of Viet Nam a couple of years before Saigon fell thanks to the Dems cutting aid to South Viet Nam?

Posted by: davidt at August 18, 2010 07:17 PM (HtIec)

The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973.

71 In ten years, we'll know for sure if the price my brothers and sisters paid in blood was worth it.

Man, I miss the good times over there. Living in burned-out buildings, watching DVDs on laptops, the dust that got into everything, the all-night raids with big greasy chow hall breakfasts after. The rest of my life is never going to be as much fun compared to the good times.

I won't miss the fucked-up idiot officers and senior NCOs, the fucking traitorous hippies back here in the States, the memorial services, having to talk to the families of guys I know who died...fuck.

No V-J Day for us, at least not until we finally crush the jihad.

72 Ebola still has his "Surges Suck" t-shirt.

73 I inherited this successful Iraq operation from Bush! Wait- that didn't come out right... Watch this drive!

74 Yeah, I saw that video the other day.  And cried like a damned baby.

75 Good old ace. Fightin' the fight with his keyboard.

Iraq has no government, no infrastructure, and is basically partitioned by corruption and ethnic cleansing.

Oh. And it's a client state of Iran.

76 THE WAR IS LOST!

77 One of my dad's cousins was a pilot shot down over 'Nam.  Was a POW for seven years, and one of the last released.  Met with his son this past weekend in upstate SC. 

78 I figured something was up. Brian Williams seemed positively giddy on the news tonight (I could hear him in another room).

79 76, Shipping out to Afghanistan soon?

80 I hope we leave behind Gitmo 2 somewhere out in the dunes.

81 >>>Good old ace. Fightin' the fight with his keyboard. I can only assume you're in Afghanistan, the war that lefties were so gung-ho to fight. God Bless you for your service, sir. How is the connection speed in Helmund Province?

82 "i'm not for holding their apron strings..." i am. i figure another 10 years or so may do the trick. there actually may be a stabile society & government in iraq, with legs, which will be the fulfillment of the original, long term vision of going in. america saves the world again. maturity & vindication of bush's foreign policy. big time. i'm in, if that's what it takes. wtvr, dude. props.

83

We should leave behind some quick strike forces too.

Shit.  Anybody trust Obama to do it right?

84 While it's good that we got the fighting troops out of Iraq, let's not forget there's still advisors and support personnel still in Iraq.  The war is not over for them, nor for the Iraqi people.  I'll believe the war is over when Iraqis can walk down their own streets listening to Vanilla Ice tunes and not get assaulted for poor taste in music.

85 In the meantime, Israel may give us all an "interesting" weekend. 

86 nah I don't want to add that vid. I want to add a vid, but not that one. For one thing, those troops were returning from Afghanistan (perhaps Kenneth Burke was counted among that company of heroes?). For another thing, I want to add a tribute to the troops without any political implication at all, because this is about them, not about any wider question.

87 The last event in this war that truly felt like "victory" was seven years ago, when they flushed Saddam Hussein out of his spider-hole.  Now that was truly "Mission Accomplished".

The thanks we gave our troops for this was to give them a Commander-in-Chief with the same name as the dictator they had toppled.

Today feels like little more than a withdrawal after seven years of meandering on the part of two administrations.  And if I said I believed Iraq would have a stable, democratic future I'd be lying.

God bless George W. Bush and the American military for getting rid of the Butcher of Baghdad, and preventing Iraq from nuking up right along with Iran and North Korea.  The only thing "inherited" by the current slimy son of a bitch who shares the Butcher's name was success in this theater.

88 ... & vindication & eternal honor for the sacrifice's.

89
Iraq has no government, no infrastructure, and is basically partitioned by corruption and ethnic cleansing.

Oh. And it's a client state of Iran.

Posted by: Kenneth Burke at August 18, 2010 07:22 PM (ltfK3)

Ok, so its in better shape then Detroit?

90 And if you're worried about Keith Olbermann losing his "Mission Accomplished" sthick, he's still got his Glenn Beck impersonations to work on.

91 85, I'll believe the war is over when Iraqis can walk down their own streets listening to Vanilla Ice tunes and not get assaulted for poor taste in music. Posted by: PaulW Um, don't push it. Heck, that's pretty risky here.

92 For another thing, I want to add a tribute to the troops without any political implication at all, because this is about them, not about any wider question.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2010 07:29 PM

Well played. 

93 55 Where's Slow Joe been lately?  Duct-taped in a basement some where?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 07:16 PM (UOM4

Jane, as I said in another thread, Sheriff Joe is in an undisclosed location until the Summer of Recovery ^tm is over.  They gave him a playstation and a fork with a cork on the end to keep him busy.

94 Ace: "For another thing, I want to add a tribute to the troops without any political implication at all, because this is about them, not about any wider question."

So... "Evacuate the Dance Floor" is out of the question?

95 okay, good point.  Non-political, indeed.

96 Posted by: Kenneth Burke at August 18, 2010 07:22 PM (ltfK3)

Kenneth Burke, proving once again that "progressives" everywhere are much more comfortable with the iron grip of a murderous strongman than the self-determination of a free people.

97 Biden is chasing bubbles and eating ice cream. Nap time pretty soon.

98 We lost.

99

 >>>Good old ace. Fightin' the fight with his keyboard.

I can only assume you're in Afghanistan, the war that lefties were so gung-ho to fight.

God Bless you for your service, sir. How is the connection speed in Helmund Province?

Nope.  I just rechecked, and there's no MOS for "barista."  Hey Kenneth, go make some hippy a latte, bitch.  Dad already told you, when grown folks are talking, you shut the fuck up.

 

100 Perhaps Kenneth Burke is not happy that Iraq is no longer an enemy of the USA.

101 Contrary to popular belief, this is not a war of liberation.  This is a war of stabilization and annihilation.  And it shouldn't be bellieved that it's over.  Radical islam is still out there and they still want to kill us.  Unfortunately, with our inaction on Iran, we'll eventually have to go back into Iraq.  Kill the fucktard mullahs and crazy revolutionaries in Iran and watch the terror diminsh substantually.  Then there's Pakistan........it's too bad we didn't formally declare war and mobilize as in WWII to kill these people in an all-out, no-holds-barred war.

102 I swear on all that is holy, if Preznit Numbnuts makes a speech from the Vineyard taking credit for our winning in Iraq, I'm going to go on a week-long bender.  Just to keep my head from exploding and saying things that would have black helicopters circling my house.

I might have to join you, at least in spirits on that. While those jackwipes whine about "politicizing" the overt political gesture of building a Muslim "outreach" center a stones throw radical Islam's most successful mass murder, they were quite willing to grandstand over the actual dead bodies of American heroes, actively engineer a military defeat for the United States, and doom, what is today a free nation, to anarchy, death, and chaos, depriving any chance to live in a secure free society, in order to gain political advantage. The depths of their immorality made swamp leeches living in a cesspool appear clean as the driven snow, kin to the angelic choir.

If they claim victory now... Take my advice, invest in BevMo.

103 89
Iraq has no government, no infrastructure, and is basically partitioned by corruption and ethnic cleansing.

Oh. And it's a client state of Iran.

Posted by: Kenneth Burke at August 18, 2010 07:22 PM (ltfK3)

Ok, so its in better shape then than (y/w) Detroit?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2010 07:30 PM (bgcml)

Exactly.

104

My Marine nephew was wounded in Anbar '04.   He went on to serve a 2nd 10 month tour of Anbar afterwards.   Harry Reid can suck Satans cock for eternity if he can get Murtha's lips off of it.

105

I think part of what will happen in Iraq is contingent on who's our president at a given time & the nature of their foreign policy. So, the success of, say, Iran in causing trouble in Iraq in the next few yrs partially depends on how much we are willing to stand-up to them. Most else rests on the shoulders of the Iraqis.  

106 "for another thing, i want to add a tribute to the troops..." nonsense. nobody questions a political motive for your posting that! politics, again! our, and the troops, honor is victory. and by victory, i mean it is the achievement of a civil & free society in that former torture chamber abattoir of a country. we will look back on the wisdom & honor of the policy & sacrifice based on meeting that goal (which is up to the iraqi's [with our help]). when bush said "everybody loves freedom" he meant it. & so did washington, madison, et al. & the american idea in the world.

107 I can only assume you're in Afghanistan, the war that lefties were so gung-ho to fight.

God Bless you for your service, sir. How is the connection speed in Helmund Province?

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2010 07:26 PM (QbA6l)

I absolutely adore you, Ace. Thank you.

 

108

Was this on Bush's schedule?  'Cuz if so, it would make an awesome Facebook post for Sarah Palin to cover (and remind the press):

"Today makes a great day.  Combat operations in Iraq have ended on the timetable put in place by President Bush.  The current office holder was able to finish this due to incredible efforts of our courageous men and women in uniform." . . .

Heh.

109 86 In the meantime, Israel may give us all an "interesting" weekend. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 07:29 PM (UOM4

I won't be canceling my fantasy football draft this weekend, basically because Israel isn't likely to go to war with Russia over this.  If they don't hit them by Friday, it's done and Tel Aviv is a smoking crater waiting to happen.

110

Say, Kenneth.  Maybe you can answer this:  now that Pocky-stahn has been softened up with a nice flood, shouldn't you be pushing for your hero Obama to launch the great overland invasion to capture Osama Bin Laden that he promised?

I mean, he's the tallest fucking guy over there, right?  Shouldn't be too hard to "snuff out" like your boy prince promised in 2008.  Where the fuck is he, Kenneth? 

111 In the meantime, Israel may give us all an "interesting" weekend. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 07:29 PM (UOM4

Possibly, but I don't think they really have to rush.

If they strike this weekend, they'll piss off the Russians, who want to get paid for finishing the Bushehr reactor and who want to get their technicians out of there.  By waiting until the reactor is running, they can make sure that everything inside the containment building is rendered permanently unusable, and the containment itself will keep most of the radiation in.  Besides which, most of the targets are not the Bushehr reactor but the enrichment facilities and other parts of the nuclear infrastructure.

112 JFK:  Got us into Vietnam, we lost 58K troops, and ultimately lost the war = greatest President ever

GWB:  Got us into Iraq, lost 4,400 troops, won the war = worst foreign policy blunder in American history

Thanks MSM!

113 ... and that's why i say it probably makes some sensew yo maintain a presence in iraq. for them, the region, the world & us. of course, if they insist on being assholes, fuck 'em.

114 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOC_JjNFkVw

Posted by: DaMav at August 18, 2010 07:07 PM (QNU76)

Thank you for the video; it was wonderful to see our troops get the hero's welcome they deserve.

115 ... just, sayin', dudesters & dudettes.

116

Posted by: Kenneth Burke at August 18, 2010 07:22 PM (ltfK3)

Thanks for making me look good by comparison, dude.

117 I'll believe its over for our guys in Iraq when the shit hits the fan a couple times and our guys kick back and watch a movie, while the Iraqi troops and militia go out to kick ass.

118

Seconded.  It would be nice for the MFM to take notice, a parade in NYC would be nice.  Something

How about a 13 story memorial near ground 0?

119 Glad the fighting for our guys is done (knock on wood), but I do miss those Apache vids of terrorists getting splashed.

120 WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY KENNETH

121

Was this on Bush's schedule?  'Cuz if so, it would make an awesome Facebook post for Sarah Palin to cover (and remind the press):

"Today makes a great day.  Combat operations in Iraq have ended on the timetable put in place by President Bush.  The current office holder was able to finish this due to incredible efforts of our courageous men and women in uniform." . . .

Heh.

Posted by: MikeW at August 18, 2010 07:41 PM (g4tB5)

Has Track come home from Iraq?  He was in a Stryker brigade over there.

122 I hope the hard fought battles weren't for naught. It takes time to build a military. Not only from an equipment outlook, but from an experience standpoint; which I believe is more important. I participated in OIF II as part of B Co. 57th Signal Battalion, 3rd Signal Brigade. I completed my eight year obligation after that and moved to Champaign, Il afterwards. All of my friends here all of the liberal persuasion. Every once in a while, one of them will ask me if I think my sacrifice was worth it. I tell them the following: When I was in South Korea, I traveled all over the country. On my of my adventures, I was on a subway and an elderly gentlemen boarded my car. All the seats were full. As a rule, Koreans don't get up and allow the elderly to sit in such a situation. I called out to him, "Ogashi", stood up and gestured to him to take me seat. He looked at me, and asked in very broken English (I was in a place that wasn't populated with US service troops) "Soldja....Soldja"? I nodded. He became excited. He asked in Korean if anyone spoke English. A young KATUSA (Korean Augmented Troop U. S. Army) came up. The KATUSA translated for me that the man was a teenager during the Korean War. He saw US soldiers fighting and dieing so that he could live free. I could tell he was becoming choked up, and after he was done, the old man hugged me with tears in his eyes. He wouldn't let me give him my seat. Afterwards, several Koreans offered them their seats. After I get done telling my friends that, they sit in silence, and I tell them that every god-damned second of it was worth it. I pray every night that some young Iraqi boy fifty years from now can tell my grandson a similar tale.

123 ... 50,000 troops for another 5-10 years? yeah, i'm good wid dat. 'course, i'm just an armchair neocon.

124 I'll believe its over for our guys in Iraq when the shit hits the fan a couple times and our guys kick back and watch a movie, while the Iraqi troops and militia go out to kick ass.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 18, 2010 07:45 PM (rurh0)

Yeah I worried about that too. After combat troops left vietnam the advisors left behind fought daily. This is different as there is no standing army waiting to cause trouble ( I hope) so hope for the best.

 

125 ... who likes jeff beck

126 and girls hugging puppies.

127

Are the non-combat troops primarily there to train the Iraqis & provide security, or are they also doing building projects & things of that nature?

128 121
Glad the fighting for our guys is done (knock on wood), but I do miss those Apache vids of terrorists getting splashed.

Well you are in luck because there is plenty of undisclosed video that can't be released until after all the fighting and all investigations are closed.  In the next 5 years there will plenty of archive video that becomes unclassified and makes it to the internet.

129 Are we going to get another Retard Keith article tonight or will I have to make do with Man vs Wild and Surviving the Cut on television?

130 IIRC the Iraqi Army kicked some serious ass during the Surge.

131

Has Track come home from Iraq?  He was in a Stryker brigade over there.

Posted by: stuiec at August 18, 2010 07:48 PM (7AOgy)

He came back last year.

132 Screw the side issues, a heartfelt thanks to those who came back, to those who didn't come back and those who live with that loss, and the best of luck to the Iraqis who want to live free from oppression and may we find little ways to help them, and may it be enough.

They can be the shining city on their own little hill, and to Hell with everyone who can't even wait to get unzipped before pissing all over their chances.

133 I actually got a leftist to admit he was wrong about Iraq and praise President Bush for his steadfast and unwavering support and drive to finish the job there. It was truly stunning.

134 ...and to commemorate this historic victory, it's only fitting that we proceed with the Obama Victory Mosque. Folks, this is what I'm fighting for when I'm not on vacation.

135 With an unchecked neighbor like Iran, it's not over.  It's not won.  Sorry, folks.

136 Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at August 18, 2010 07:48 PM (QBQcg)

Word.

137 U.S. victory in Iraq is a crushing defeat for the Democrat Party.

138

this distinction between "combat" and "non-combat" forces is a political contrivance anyway

Um, not really.  our non-combat troops have guns and have been through basic training, but their MOS is something like "MOS 51C, AL&T Contracting Noncommissioned Officer (NCO)"

The 101st is a combat division.  They shoot bad guys.  The cooks, engineers, teachers and such that are continuing the rebuilding efforts (all necessary and honorable positions, mind you) are not the 101st. 

139 135, Well done! No easy task. What did it take?

140 christopher taylor: really? some time ago i predicted in a few years you won't be able to find anybody who was against the war. good. an honest person.

141 13 The helicopters that were supposed to be picking everyone off rooftops in Baghdad according to the now-Vice President of the United States could not be reached for comment.

The helicopter evacs come later, after Democrats kick the legs out from under whatever U.S. support personnel remain there and allow the enemy to overrun the place.  Joe, who was right there in the Senate the last time this happened, would know all about it.

142 Victory in Iraq? I blame Bush.

143 135,

Well done!

No easy task.

What did it take?

Rack?
Iron Maiden?
Provocative nude photos of Helen Thomas?

144 ... they'll all say they were all for going in & getting rid of saddam, but they just didn't like bush & how he did it. just like a few years after bush I and desert storm, a lot of people who protested then turned around and criticized bush for not going on to baghdad & getting rid of saddam!

145 ... bastards.

146 The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973.

That was when the last troops left. We evacuated them aboard our ship (USS Enterprise). They were the Marine embassy guards who were the last Americans to leave.

147 God bless the magnificent men and women of the United States Armed Forces past, present and future.

148 Well done!

No easy task.

What did it take?

Rack?
Iron Maiden?
Provocative nude photos of Helen Thomas?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 18, 2010 08:03 PM (0q2P7)

Sodium pentathol?

AC/DC played at full blast?

Jumper cables attached to nipples?

149 same old, same old. icans do the work, crats take the credit.

150 Is I is or is I aint gonna take credit for ending this here conflict?

151

149 God bless the magnificent men and women of the United States Armed Forces past, present and future.

Amen.

152 Right. And I assume this distinction between "combat" and "non-combat" forces is a political contrivance anyway, at least largely.

See?!  Obama kept his promise to get us out of the ball-dropping quagmire in Iraq.

153 Anyone have Pelosi in the pool ?

154

This withdrawal is political.  No good will come from it.  It does smell like Vietnam.  

155 156

This withdrawal is political.  No good will come from it.  It does smell like Vietnam.  

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 08:17 PM

No, I don't agree...Barry would never do anything for politcal expediency, debby downer.

156 Well, fuck me running.  I just had to go check out Keefums talking about the troops leaving Iraq.  Then I hit my right knee hard with a hammer and came back here.

157 I'd seen the pictures but not the video of Bush greeting troops in Dallas. It, of course, made me cry. Then I spotted the comments. Libtards are full out douchebags. I hate them.

158 The only reason I'd watch Keef is if someone posted that he was literally on fire on national TV. 

159 Parades anyone?

160 ?

161 I have a cousin (a proud, strong Marine)who did 3 tours in Iraq.  He was one of the guys taking a shower in Sadam's palace..  He was so proud of what they did and came home furious none of the good was reported on.
God bless the troops, THANK YOU!

162 Stupid comment form.  I typed "Why?"  and it rejected my comment.  Annoying long strings, don't you know.

163 Well, fuck me running.  I just had to go check out Keefums talking about the troops leaving Iraq.  Then I hit my right knee hard with a hammer and came back here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 08:19 PM (UOM4

Is it one channel up from Fox like on my shitty cable service? I run across those d-bags all the time, you'd think that I'd have learned by now.

164 160 The only reason I'd watch Keef is if someone posted that he was literally on fire on national TV. 

Posted by: Tami at August 18, 2010 08:21 PM

I wouldn't piss on him to put out the fire.

165 Hey, guys.  Gateway Pundit (oops, or maybe it's Blackfive) has a linky to Discovery Channel's premiere tonight at 10:00 eastern on the training of military special forces.  The trailer is awesome.

166 161 Parades anyone?

Posted by: ingenus at August 18, 2010 08:21 PM

Fuck it, let the morons give them a parade. What will we need?

167 The mullahs and radical government in Iran are ecstatic over this withdrawal too.  Don't forget that.

168 what will we need?

Valu-Rite, bacon, beer, and pretty conservative girls (and boys, for our girls in uniform).

169 "i have a cousin..." the recognition for what they achieved won't come for another 10-20 years.

170 Can the parade end in front of the 9/11 hamosque?

171 171 The mullahs and radical government in Iran are ecstatic over this withdrawal too.  Don't forget that.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 08:27 PM

I think Israel might put a bug up their butt before the weekend.

172 ... i think bush (II) understood that.

173 Parades anyone?

Posted by: ingenus at August 18, 2010 08:21 PM

Fuck it, let the morons give them a parade. What will we need?

Posted by: HornetSting at August 18, 2010 08:26 PM (tQKII)

I short parade route headed rowards the nearest bar. Free beer!

174 ... and understands.

175 172 what will we need?

Valu-Rite, bacon, beer, and pretty conservative girls (and boys, for our girls in uniform).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 08:28 PM

I'm pretty new around here, but maybe some pudding?

176 The mullahs and radical government in Iran are ecstatic over this withdrawal too.  Don't forget that.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 08:27 PM (szA4G)

Omigod. Get over yourself. Fuckwit.

177 How about a parade on Martha's Vineyard?  Imagine the sheer horror of the libtard douches having the hordes of American heroes in their precious midst.

178 Forget conservative girls.  Round up some liberal chicks for the troops.

179 Eeeeewwwwww! Apologies for the horrific visual .

180

Welcome home boys and girls -- good to have you back.  And raise a toast and silent prayer to those who didn't.  May their sacrifice and your hard work not have been in vain.  Here's to (real) hope.

I'm pessimistically optimistic.

181 182 Forget conservative girls.  Round up some liberal chicks for the troops.

Posted by: ingenus at August 18, 2010 08:34 PM

They're HORNY, not BLIND. You're gonna have to double bag those libtards.

182

I think Israel might put a bug up their butt before the weekend.

Posted by: HornetSting at August 18, 2010 08:28 PM (tQKII)

 

I would hope so, but I doubt it.  Obama has hamstrung Israel as much as he's hamstrung our troops.  But even if that happens, it won't slow down the war that Iran has declared on the US.  Iran is, without any doubt anymore, the biggest exporter of terror in the world right now.

183 How about a parade on Martha's Vineyard?  Imagine the sheer horror of the libtard douches having the hordes of American heroes in their precious midst.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 08:31 PM (UOM4

Outlook for congratulatory signs posted at the Mansion House Inn:  Very Doubtful

184

Omigod. Get over yourself. Fuckwit.

 

Quit celebrating a victory that hasn't happened, bitch.

185

wonderful for our great Heros, wives, sisters , fathers and sons, You have given years , some gave lives. To America you are The Brave that stand before our enemies and make them wither, you also are the ones that show compassion to a struggling young democracy, I'm so glad you are coming home. Thank you.

Iraqis, be strong fight hard keep this hope of a democracy be thankful; your daughters and mothers and sons will not live under the tyranny that you had before. A Long road , hard, don't give up.

186 My heart breaks for the young Iranians who reached out to us for support.  Barky totally ignored them, as they were being slaughtered in their streets, rounded up, and hung. 

Hopefully, history will not forget his cowardice.  And my prayer for him is that some day, his nights are filled nightmares of what he ignored.  And also, that he'll lie awake night after night, attempting to shrug off the thoughts of his being worst.president.ever.

187 Why can't we just give the troops credit for what they did instead immediately launching into a debate about it? Does everything have to turn into some political argument?

188 How about a parade on Martha's Vineyard?  Imagine the sheer horror of the libtard douches having the hordes of American heroes in their precious midst.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 08:31 PM (UOM4

Totally! The libtards would probably require psychiatric attention and supplement their anti-psychotic drugs with Maker's Mark and all that shit.

Whatever it takes to put them under for a while, I'm for it.

189 Major Garrett Notes: "And, to be clear, 50K US "non-combat" forces will remain in Iraq. Doesn't mean they won't face peril, danger."


LOL. J/K  My husband is leaving for a non combat / combat deployment in a month.  Wow, all that training he's been doing...I guess he just needs to guard some teddy bears.  Oh well, America is in good hands.

190 omg sock was still there! ugh .

191 I see I've arrived just in time.

192

Quit celebrating a victory that hasn't happened, bitch.

Oooohhh big man. Now I'm gonna have to go cry into my pillow.

You're a limp-dicked whiny little bitch, aren't you?

 

 

193 Rand, I see the Taiwanese have a cool anime of you.  Heh.

194 192 to jerkwads like 189

195 Jane....how's D'oh boy?  What did the doctor say? (sorry if you posted this already)

196 182  What about the troops that are chicks?

197 Obama's approval will jump 10 points

198 My husband is leaving for a non combat / combat deployment in a month.  Wow, all that training he's been doing...I guess he just needs to guard some teddy bears.  Oh well, America is in good hands.

Posted by: hmfearny at August 18, 2010 08:43 PM (m30Zr)

We wish him well from our house. bless everyone here whose spouses and children  are going in either country.

199 Jane we'll send them chippendale's?

200

Quit celebrating a victory that hasn't happened, bitch.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 08:40 PM

Quit shitting in the punch bowl.

201 *waves to Tami*  He doesn't have epilepsy:  good.  Not staying hydrated in 105 temps in the motor pool:  stupid (and he used to run cross country and knows better).  The bad?  He found out yesterday the unit he was being transferred to for temporary assignment to Korea didn't need him after all.  He's crushed.  He was looking forward to a combat ribbon and just the experience.  Well, he'll get one in Afghanistan.  So there's that.

What about your boy?  Is he still deploying in January?

202 He doesn't have epilepsy:  good.  Not staying hydrated in 105 temps in the motor pool:  stupid (and he used to run cross country and knows better)

Excellent news, Jane.  Hoped (and bet) that dehydration was all it was.

203 Obama's approval will jump 10 points

Posted by: ingenus at August 18, 2010 08:47 PM (+sBB4)

No fucking way. With the way his approval numbers are dropping, he'll be lucky to gain a couple points.

204 210 Obama's approval will jump 10 points

Posted by: ingenus at August 18, 2010 08:47 PM (+sBB4)

No fucking way. With the way his approval numbers are dropping, he'll be lucky to gain a couple points.

Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2010 08:56 PM

Agreed. If he takes credit, he's going to look like a bigger ass than he already does....oh, and the code punannies will shit.  

205 No fucking way. With the way his approval numbers are dropping, he'll be lucky to gain a couple points.

Ironically, by sweeping Iraq under the rug and out of the public consciousness as much as it could for the last year and a half, the media has ensured that Obama will see little to no political return from news like this.

206  to jerkwads like 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 18, 2010 08:45 PM

 

I love these men and women who stand on the wall to ensure my freedom.  They have fought long and hard and have fought well.  They deserve my everlasting thanks.  But I'm a veteran of a war where 58,000 men fought long and hard and fought well, giving the ultimate sacrifice only to have all their efforts and all their blood go for naught just because people in Washington withdrew troops too soon for political expediency. 

 

 

207 O/T  O'Reilly just showed our Savannah Sand Gnats with a guy who sets himself on fire running the bases.  Awesome.  And before our kid went to boot camp last year, he threw out the first pitch.  A perfect strike.

208 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2010 08:52 PM (UOM4

I'm glad to hear it was nothing serious.  I bet you were one worried mom!  My son didn't get a scratch in Iraq.  Returned to his base in Germany and broke his ankle playing flag football.  Oy.

He's bored right now...misses being a platoon leader.  He's rotating through some staff job (I think) that he hates. He's still deploying early in '11 as far as I know. 

Oh...and belated happy birthday!!  Hope you had a great b-day trip.

209 Thanks Tami.  Yeah, I think our boy is getting bored to death in Japan.  He's having fun, but he was psyched about Korea. 

He sent us a picture of his poor smashed nose.  As a mom, I wanted to give it a big kiss.

210 213  to jerkwads like 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 18, 2010 08:45 PM

 

I love these men and women who stand on the wall to ensure my freedom.  They have fought long and hard and have fought well.  They deserve my everlasting thanks.  But I'm a veteran of a war where 58,000 men fought long and hard and fought well, giving the ultimate sacrifice only to have all their efforts and all their blood go for naught just because people in Washington withdrew troops too soon for political expediency. 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 09:00 PM (szA4G)

So that gives you a right to piss on their accomplishments? Speak the words you bitter old fuck: The troops achieved an amazing success. Come on, it's not hard.

211

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 09:00 PM

Okay, if you're not fronting, I can see where you're coming from.....the dems can fuck up a wet dream, but let's hope that the good work of the soldiers made a difference.

212 213 I respect that. However, does that mean we can't give these troops honor & respect before asking whether it was worth it/the right thing to do, & whether we withdrew at the right time? Can we not wait?

213

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2010 09:00 PM (szA4G)

So that gives you a right to piss on their accomplishments? Speak the words you bitter old fuck: The troops achieved an amazing success. Come on, it's not hard.

Posted by: joncelli at August 18, 2010 09:08 PM

If Soona is a Vietnam Vet, he has reason to question the motives and be bitter...my dad was drafted, did his time, got his medals, and was never really given a thank you from the fuckwads back here for his service...so, yeah, that can make you fuck you bitter. BUT, most of America has learned from those mistakes of screwing over our men and women in uniform.

214 Have any of my posts denigrated the troops?  The troops have been fantastic.  I congratulate them for a job well done.  But I'm also thinking of the 4000 that won't be marching in any parades.  I don't want their sacrifice to be for nothing.  My fears come from the fact that administrations past and present have failed to do anything of substance to thwart the real threat to the US, Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan.  And that's Iran.  When we had combat units in Iraq at least they were held somewhat in check.  We're leaving right in the midst of a nation and government that is still struggling mentally and materially from decades of brutal dictatorship.  They still have the training wheels on their freedom bikes, so to speak. And the Iranian radicals know it. 

215 113 JFK:  Got us into Vietnam, we lost 58K troops, and ultimately lost the war = greatest President ever

GWB:  Got us into Iraq, lost 4,400 troops, won the war = worst foreign policy blunder in American history

Thanks MSM!

Posted by: Thinking things over at August 18, 2010 07:44 PM (8/DeP)

Sorry but you are wrong on both counts. 1: LB Johnson  got us into vietnam not JFK and 2: the assholes that dared to fly airplanes into the WTC, etc. got us into Iraq (remember Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden?). And actually, if clever Billy Clinton (while he was pres) had not let Osama go when we actually had FOUND him, 9/11 may not have happened.

216 PS. God Bless the troops and welcome home!

217 204 Throw in a case or two of 12 yo. Jameson's, some nice Padron 1926's, and a trip to the beauty parlor -- then the Chippy's would be "ok" recompense

218 I can see where Soona's coming from completely -- tell you what Soona; let's give the troops a "job well done" (because they did it)...and we hope things turn out in spite of the politicos, huh?

219 If Soona is a Vietnam Vet, he has reason to question the motives and be bitter...my dad was drafted, did his time, got his medals, and was never really given a thank you from the fuckwads back here for his service...so, yeah, that can make you fuck you bitter. BUT, most of America has learned from those mistakes of screwing over our men and women in uniform.

Not just the hippies and populist pols, even the WWII vets in the VFW questioned their worth...

220

"Still, it's a milestone."

Unless it's a grim milestone that can be used to bludgeon conservatives, We are not interested.

221

Sorry but you are wrong on both counts. 1: LB Johnson  got us into vietnam not JFK

 

Actually, it was JFK that got us into Vietnam.  He even arranged to have their sitting president, Diem, to be assassinated by the CIA.  LBJ escalated it by sending in regular Army units after the Gulf of Tonkin event. 

222 Not just the hippies and populist pols, even the WWII vets in the VFW questioned their worth...

Posted by: Druid at August 18, 2010 09:45 PM

Yeah, but slamming hippies heads into the pavement feels a lot better.

223

225 I can see where Soona's coming from completely -- tell you what Soona; let's give the troops a "job well done" (because they did it)...and we hope things turn out in spite of the politicos, huh?

If I may say, I can completely agree with this, & it's along the lines of what I was trying to ask.

224
  I wore the uniform with PRIDE, but when I see these young men and women serving today, I feel humbled.

  It'd be an immeasurable honor to wear it again with them.

225 Wait a minute. Isn't Captain Cum Stain only following the plan Bush drafted before he left office?  This is the Bush timeline, Not Obama's. Once again the little man child must rely on Bush and or Bush policies to score points. I can't wait to see Obama in jail for fraud. Than really watch the Demo-Rats run for the hills.....

226 My son did two tours in Iraq. He's been home 7 months now and is making noise about volunteering for Afghanistan.  I cannot tell you how disheartening it is to win a war and nobody cares.

227 Hmmmm.

They deserve a parade.  Right down the main roads in Washington D.C. for 1 company out of each regiment and local parades for every unit that rotated in and out of Iraq.

They damn fucking well deserve a parade and if Obama had the sense God gave a gopher he'd be planning one right the Hell now.

If.

228 Does everything have to turn into some political argument?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 18, 2010 08:41 PM (Yq+qN)

Apparently.

(sigh) It's teh internets. If it ain't porn, it's a fight.

229 Gotta luv da Barry Math.......50,000 troops = 0..... we outta Iraq.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh... recovery summer



roflmao

230

Does this mean the Libs can no longer say "we are in two wars"?

Always pissed me off that they call the action in Afghanistan and Iraq 2 wars.

Following that logic World War 2 could be 10 different wars.

 

 

 

231 The first soldier I ever thanked.

I was in the Atlanta airport in 1983. There were a lot of soldiers going to and fro when this red headed Major walked up toward the seats where I was. He was wearing a dress set of army greens, and I glanced at his medals. I noticed he had a combat infantry badge. Beneath that he had three rows of ribbons - the bottom row was comprised of the three ribbons all Vietnam vets got. In the middle row he had an Arcom  (Army commendation medal)  with V for valor device, a meritorious service medal and a Purple Heart with oak leaf cluster; the latter meaning that he had been wounded twice by enemy fire. In the top row was a single ribbon, made of blue crepe with five little stars.   My eyes got very big, I had never seen one before; most people who get those don't live to wear them.

I got up, walked over to him and said "Excuse me Major. Thank you Sir." And I held out my hand to him. He shook my hand with a puzzled look on his face and said "I'm sorry - what did I do for you to be thanking me?" "Yes Sir, its just that I know what that is" I said, nodding toward his ribbons " thank you sir."

He started crying, I think no one had ever thanked him for being a hero before. "Thank you" wasn't something Viet Nam vets ever heard.

Today soldiers understand why someone is thanking them, but in 1983 a Congressional Medal of Honor winner had no idea why anyone would thank him.

232 "And, to be clear, 50K US "non-combat" forces will remain in Iraq. Doesn't mean they won't face peril, danger."

Gee, hope someone told the Iraqi bad guys (whoever's left) that our forces are "non-combat." 

What happens if one side wants combat but the other consists of non-combat forces?

233 >>Why do I have a bad feeling about this? Seriously. Why doesn't this feel quite right?<< Well, I'm sure others here have their opinions; here's mine. I'm in Mosul, and today around noon a HUGE fucking IED went off about 300 yards from the compound I was working in. It was actually the second, larger explosion--the first one brought the first responders to the second one. 3 IA officers, 2 IA enlisted wounded--surprised it wasn't worse. ISI and AQI are going to make perception management hay on the withdrawal of 2ID; the Iraqis I work with are convinced that IED strikes are only going to increase. Makes me feel a little ginchy. I'm happy for the guys going home, and I know we have to turn over the keys to the Iraqis sometime, but from this vantage, it looks like things are gonna slip, slowly, into the abyss. The Iraqis are not close--not even close to close, friends--to policing their nation. You can take that to the bank. Oh well--inshallah.

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