1 Video Obama Plea Deal with Christmas Bomber?

2 blind hogs

3

Seriously?

Obama's a racist?

He's not even trying to be subtle.   And to think that Chris Mathews, Olby, Fum, Parker, Brooks, et. al., said he made this governing gig look so simple.

I sure bet they're red faced about now!

(F--k wits)

4
Funny how all of a sudden the rightwing knuckleheads care about profiling.

Well, Ace, you finally got your 3rd term for Bush. Hope you're happy.

5 Richard Reed: the could be caught in the "goofy" look profile.

6 the => he

7 Racist Precedential policy. What's new?

8 "It looks like the enhanced security procedures will be utilized for any national of these countries, no matter where they are traveling from."

Obama's a right wing racist hater of those peaceful muslims! 

Wait, what?........

9 Every day I pray that Obama is given the wisdom to make the right decisions for our country.  Maybe it is starting to work.

10 No Venezuela or Egypt? Actually, this is a meaningless, bureaucratic response to simulate actual action. Does anyone think AQ will have any difficulty getting a passport from any number of third world s--tholes to use at will. Who will be doing these pat downs, forward placed TSA agents or locals? My guess is locals - good luck with that - esp. the crotch check.

11 Wouldn't have caught the August 2006 would-be liquid bombers, but it's a start.

The Pantybomber was educated and radicalized in Britain; surely some of his associates hold British passports.

12 Funny how all of a sudden the rightwing knuckleheads care about profiling.

Umm...what?  We've always supported this type of profiling.  As Drew says above, it's a welcome development.

13 Egypt and Jordan?

14 Any bets on how long it will take for the ACLU/CAIR to start screaming about this?

15 Any bets on how long it will take for the ACLU/CAIR to start screaming about this? Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at January 04, 2010 12:16 PM (KWhJd) They already are

16 At least they forgot to include Obama's mythical land of Pock-ee-ston

17 That's racist!

18 Any bets on how long it will take for the ACLU/CAIR to start screaming about this?

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at January 04, 2010 12:16 PM (KWhJd)

Do you realize how much tougher this will make it for us to blow up airliners? Oh, uh, sorry, I mean how much more unpleasant it will be to fly in the US?

19 Still, this is a welcome development. It's almost as if people are realizing that it's not a bunch of Anabaptists running around blowing things up.

You mean we aren't all at risk from the blood-thirsty fanatics of such groups as the Swords of Ammann, the Brethren of the Triple-Dunk, or the Mennonite Front for Preaching and Combat?? Who'da thunk it. You mean that the danger comes from members of one specific religion, with a long history of violence, and violnet doctrines at its core? Inconceivable.

It's a refreshing change. Of course, I'm also confident that the retards currently in charge of our country will revert to head-in-sand mode once the ACLU and CAIR start bellowing about the unfairness of it all...

20 Posted by: Jean at January 04, 2010 12:13 PM (PjevJ)

Yeah, Egypt's omission is curious.

As for AQ's ability to circumvent this, sure but if you can't stop the easy shit (a guy buys a one way ticket, in cash, with no luggage in Lagos) you have no shot at anything else.

The harder we make it, even mildly so, the more chance they'll fuck up.

Even beyond the actual difference it may or may not make, the idea that this administration is singling out Muslim nations is a pretty interesting development.

21 I posted a link to this story this morning. It is not enough but it will do for a start. The real question is how will it be implemented and how long will they keep it up after the ACLU sues.

22 Fucking erg is like herpes. For life apparently.

23

erg sharts:

"Funny how all of a sudden the rightwing knuckleheads care about profiling."

It seems that most here welcome this policy.  It's a case of better late than never.

24 Well, Ace, you finally got your 3rd term for Bush. Hope you're happy.

Actually we're getting Hoover's 2nd term.

Thanks 52%

25 Does this mean they'll stop looking in VFW posts for terrorists?

26

Depends on what the advanced screening consists of.

If it's just another Chinese fire drill, then nothing really changes.

27

Yeah, Egypt's omission is curious.

So far there hasn't been many terrorists from Egypt. In fact, if I am not mistaken, there have been more terorists from the U.S. than from Egypt.

28 A radical change is needed, not a little wrinkle. If airliners are going to be used as weapons (big cruise missiles) to attack the US, then it is time to chop the job from the TSA to the DoD. Restrict the inbound routes, no direct to US cities (Europe lands at Dover for example, Pacific at Vandenberg, etc.), all Muslims fly on airliners built and operated by Muslims (everything else is haram), DoD security teams on board, etc. It will be good for our carbon footprint, think of the trees.

29 I see Indonesia (which is the largest Muslim country in the world) is NOT on the list. Why not???? Indonesia has a lengthy history of domestic and exported Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

30
FDR's fifth term?

31 Drew, actually he bought the ticket in Gineau-Bissau which is a drug trafficking nexus. Should have raised even more flags.

32

The suicide bombing on a CIA base in Afghanistan last week was carried out by a Jordanian doctor who was an al-Qaida double agent, Western intelligence officials told NBC News.

 According to Western intelligence officials, the perpetrator was Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, 36, an al-Qaida sympathizer from the town of Zarqa, which is also the hometown of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian militant Islamist responsible for several devastating attacks in Iraq.

 Al-Balawi was arrested by Jordanian intelligence more than a year ago. However, the Jordanians believed that al-Balawi had been successfully reformed and brought over to the American and Jordanian side, setting him up as an agent and sending him off to Afghanistan and Pakistan to infiltrate al-Qaida.

33

Depends on what the advanced screening consists of.

The story at Fox earlier this morning said hands on search of all passengers and carryone baggage.

If the "hands on search" is done the way an ex-TSA agent who was on Fox this morning described though it will be worthless.  

34 Actually we're getting Hoover's 2nd term.

Thanks 52%

Posted by: toby928 at January 04, 2010 12:20 PM (PD1tk)

Hey, its my foreign policy Obama is using you servant of the vast Jewish conspiracy, err, neo-con.

35
So Carter's son is running again?

36 So far there hasn't been many terrorists from Egypt. In fact, if I am not mistaken, there have been more terorists from the U.S. than from Egypt. Posted by: Vic at January 04, 2010 12:21 PM (QrA9E) That is not true. Al Quida's second in commmand is from Egypt. Many of the 9/11 assholes were fromn Egypt. That pilot who crashed his own plane in the Atlantic of the East Coast was Egyptian. And there are others.

37

Zarqa, which is also the accused hometown of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the accused Jordanian militant Islamist responsible for several devastating liberation operations in Iraq, Mesopotamia.

Fixed that for you.

38 What about UK, home of a lot of radical muslim?

39

Underwear Splodey would have been nabbed if "the sytem" had used the legal and technical measures that it already had.  However, a "Why So Serious?" directive from the top had instructed "the system" to take it easy and not hurt anybody foreign peoples' feelings.

Now we have a new set of rules that "the system" can be instructed not to apply too diligently.

40

A little late-breaking news - Billy Beer is coming out with a new malt flavor!

41 Actually, now that I think about it, we're getting the Henry Wallace first term that Truman saved us from.

Full-on International Socialism.  It was that close.

42 If the "hands on search" is done the way an ex-TSA agent who was on Fox this morning described though it will be worthless. 
-------------------

Yup. It needs to be a brief but searching interview, like El Al does.

As for who's gonna be the first to scream "racism," well, Nigeria has weighed in -- I'm in no mood to eff with tiny url; it's on Drudge.

Nigeria has criticised new security measures for passengers flying to and from the United States as unfair and said they amounted to discrimination against 150 million people.

43

This is positive.

That being said, I'm pretty sure most members of the local security force double as local stringers for the AP.

44 This poor broke country is getting more worn out than Andrew Sullivan's descending colon.

45 So Carter's son is running again?

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 04, 2010 12:26 PM (z37MR)

To arms! To arms!

46 Hooray! I saw this list taped to the podium of the TSA check in line at the airport yesterday. I love being profiled, personally. It's reasonable and logical, which is why the Left hates it so.

As a male, I am de facto profiled in every rape case. I profile every day: Which line is going to be the shortest? The one the guy paying cash or the one with huge cart of junk food and a fistful of food stamps? The security scanner with a family of small kids, or the college kid with a backpack? The business man with a briefcase and a laptop?

I welcome the advent of profiling on airline flights.

47 Still, this is a welcome development. It's almost as if people are realizing that it's not a bunch of Anabaptists running around blowing things up. Meh. It's not the Anabaptists, it's the Amish. Gotta watch out for those shoofly pie bombs.

48 o/t.....Al Gore you are a fucking idiot.

49 How am I, the above named person, going to be able to share my wealth and enter your country if you are going to profile me? Please answer promptly as my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next six months due to cancer problem.

Posted by: Mrs Barakat Farouk. at January 04, 2010 12:22 PM (IhHdM)"

Go thru the approved screening process. If you want someone to blame blame the terrorists for the extra security you have to go thru, not anyone here for wanting to remain alive as well.

50 It's not the Anabaptists, it's the Amish.

Just look at those beards!

51
Isn't Affirmative Action a form of racial profiling?

52

I'm glad that we have just told Al-Queda which passports would work for them. Didn't want to inconvenience them, now...

 

53 Wow, it only took a year for Obama to get it.  I thought it would take at least three. 

54

Many of the 9/11 assholes were fromn Egypt.

Actually of the hijackers only one was an Egyption. Most were from Saudi Arabia.

 

55 Wow, it only took a year for Obama to get it. I thought it would take at least three. Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 04, 2010 12:36 PM (VJHap) he doesn't get shit. This is all just a horse and pony show

56 FWIW, the shoe bomber's last name is spelled Reid-- as in Son of Dingy Harry.

57 Also, Abdulmutallab could have just as easily started his fateful flight from London, not Lagos, Nigeria

This is factually incorrect and requires an update.

Abdulmutallab could not have started his fateful flight from London because the British had revoked his permission to visit their country once they found out from his father that he had joined al Queda.

The Obama Administration looked at the exact same set of facts after interviewing the father and holding an inter-agency meeting between the CIA, FBI and State Department. The Obama Administraiton after that meeting chose not to revoke Abdulmutallab's visa (which is State Department permission to fly on US airlines and permission to fly into the United States).

Without a visa, of course, Abdullmuttab was unable to enter London, and he would not have been permitted to fly on British Airways. So he could not have started his fateful flight there.

The US could easily have stopped this terrorist by simply revoking his visa. The Obama Administration chose not to do that. So of course he was allowed on the aircraft.

58

50 o/t.....Al Gore you are a fucking idiot.

That's never o/t!

But

What do we make of Obama getting burned in effigy?

59 Actually of the hijackers only one was an Egyption. Most were from Saudi Arabia. Posted by: Vic at January 04, 2010 12:36 PM (QrA9E) Ok but one is to many for me

60 you people should be talking about Bret Hart coming back to RAW tonight, what the hell is this profiling talk?

61 CORRECTION: Nigeria is NOT a majority muslim country. There's an even split between christians and muslims. Also, the south is majority christian and there isn't any religious violence there. The north, on the other hand, is majority muslim and it's not uncommon for them to be violent against infidels. It's like a different country. HOWEVER, we don't blow ourselves up, not even the northern muslims. We're into self preservation. That's why we're so mad at this idiot for being the only Nigerian willing to blow himself up for allah. Aside from the fact that he could have killed hundreds of people, he's now made it difficult for the rest of us. There are so many other African countries with larger percentages of muslims. I'm now wondering if it's even worth it to go home this year. It's outrageous that they lawyered him up. Ugh.

62

I'll believe this when I see it. This goes against everything brain dead leftists stand for. For years I have stood in security lines while I and other middle aged American males were searched, and watched little old ladies have to take their shoes off. That stupidity is the politically correct leftard way, not common sense Israeli style profiling.

 

63 Ms. Farouk, I am deeply touched by your predicament and would love to help.

As an executive vice president of First Mugu Bancorp of Coralville, Iowa, rest assured that I can arrange the finest medical care for you at once.  I have found the perfect clinic for your treatment.  (Please do not be put off by the sign outside the door that says "Bart's Bait and Tackle".  It is hard to get good remodeling help here sometimes, what with the immigration crackdowns.)

So Dr Bart can get the exotic herbs and spices for his miracle cancer cure, we will need you to send some money to us to finance his next expedition to New Orleans.  The timing will be around Ash Wednesday.  He will need at least one week before then, and maybe a few days after that to recover, I mean, classify and prepare your custom concoction.  

Please send as much as you can via Western Union to us.  Make it payable to "First Mugu Bancorp".  Be sure to specify the codewords "Charles Johnson is a douche" so we know it is from you. 

See you soon, Ms Farouk!  Kindest regards!

Bernie Madoff      

64 In Russia, Muslim country profiles you!

65 Al Gore you are a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Local Weatherman at January 04, 2010 12:34 PM (jQU5+)

Yeah, (sigh)  live it up wingnut. When ManBearPig makes you freeze and boil at the same time (sigh), we'll see who is laughing. 

66 Cancer kills you alot slower than a suicide bomb.

67 Posted by: african chick at January 04, 2010 12:41 PM (aUTBh)

I checked the CIA World Factbook before writing that. It says Nigeria if 50% Muslim, 40% Christian and 10% other. I suppose technically I could have said a plurality but I thought the note that it has a large Christian population was sufficient.

It sucks that the vast majority of people are going to be considered suspicious because of the action of a few or even one. I'm just not sure what the alternative is. I know it's not to pretend that every one from every place is as likely to require attention.

68 Wow, who would've thought that Obama's "Axis of Evil" would be so much larger than Bush's?
Good job, Barry.

69 From a Drudge link :  "Nigeria has criticised new security measures for passengers flying to and from the United States as unfair and said they amounted to discrimination against 150 million people."

70 Heh... Steyn just made a trenchant point on Rush's show... He points out that the TSA's potential prohibition on having anything in one's lap before landing, including books, will have one notable exception. No flight attendant will ever dare take away a Koran.

71 discrimination against the 12,000 or so Nigerians who fly to the US each year - maybe; all 150M of them - no.

72 No Venezuela or Egypt?

Terrorism in Colombia doesn't count.

73

Definition of teh stupid:

 

Martha McCallum on Fox to TSA official:

 

Why are we still doing stuff the same way at aircraft security after 9-11?

 

Official: Because we donÂ’t want to give the terrorists a win by changing our way of life.

74 "Actually of the hijackers only one was an Egyption. Most were from Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Vic at January 04, 2010 12:36 PM (QrA9E)"

Q.#1: Vic, pray tell, can you advise the rest of us who the #2 person in Al Queda is and where he comes from????

Q.#2: Vic, pray tell, can you advise the rest of us which country founded the 'Muslim Brotherhood' (192 which to this day is the most influential Islamic jihadist organization in the world?????

75

Country of origination is only one factor that should go into profiling.  Obviously it is trivial for a jihadist to start his journey from a non-blacklisted country, and most travelers from such countries are not jihadist -- so on its own, country of origin profiling is not much better than what is being done now.

Adherence to Islam would be the perfect profiling characteristic, but unfortunately there is no sure fire indicator of this.    So profiling needs to be based on a combination of factors such as sex (weighted towards male), age (weighted towards 18-30), appearance (weighted towards non-white and obvious indicators of adherence to Islam), and behavior (nervous looking, bought tickets with cash,  bought a one way ticket, etc).

Problem is, such a profiling system will inconvenience a lot of non-jihadist Muslims.   Boo hoo.   

76

I have to notice the conspicuous absence of one particular country from the list,,,

Iraq.

Now why would Iraq not be on the list now when it would surely have topped the list say 7 years ago?

77

I have to notice the conspicuous absence of one particular country from the list,,,

Iraq.

 

last one on the list

78 I need to hit the road so sorry if this repeats someone but they need to have this screening for anyone who has BEEN in one of those countries in the last year. Pissants born in this country trot off to training camps in those countries to get terrorist training.

79 Obama is the enemy of the state. He must be impeached, tried, convicted of treason and dispatched.

80

Another expert on Fox gave the real reason why the list of countries is not much bigger.

The TSA is not set up for the volumn it would produce. That makes more sense than what the actual officials are saying.

81 59

50 o/t.....Al Gore you are a fucking idiot.

That's never o/t!

But

What do we make of Obama getting burned in effigy?

Posted by: Truman North at January 04, 2010 12:38 PM (e8YaH)

Burn Bush in effigy?...NO PROBLEMO! Burn Teh Won?...we've got a problem!

82

Wiserbud,

Interesting that it's on this list. I just saw an interactive map somewhere, and Iraq was definitely not on it.

Are there two lists?

83 I feel bad for the ordinary people from these places who will have to put up with this - I know someone named Hussein, of all things (family's from Pakistan but emigrated here), but it's well past time for this. And we should NOT be depending on countries like Nigeria and Syria for our security. We're only talking about a delay at the airport. Again, while I sympathize for the innocent people caught up in this, we aren't leading them in chains about the airport or throwing them in jail, so complaints about 'violating civil rights' are waek at best.

84

Are there two lists?

Aren't there always?

 

 

85 In one sense, I think that we have too much security on domestic flights.  I think that people should have a right to be anonymous in this country.  Don't want to show ID but still want to fly, fine, step into this room and strip Mr Smith.

86

I just saw an interactive map somewhere, and Iraq was definitely not on it.

But I see your point.  What could have possibly happened recently, sayyy ...over the last8 years or so, that would have caused Iraq to not be on this list?

Hmmmmmm......

Nope... got nothing.  Can't think of a damn thing.  Maybe the media will look into that and get back to us.

87

DrewM.: Understood.  However, the CIA Factbook is probably going by Nigerian "official" figures.  (Not sure if there are any real figures, actually.)

I think most Nigerian southerners would agree with me that there are probably not more muslims than Christians.  It's a 50-50 split.  Nigeria, for most of its history since independence, has been governed (and I use that term very loosely) by a Muslim ruling class that is not averse to, let's say, massaging figures to consolidate their power.  Not that that would be true only of Muslim Nigerians, but I digress.  So I think those figures are probably incorrect. 

The truth is no one really knows what the figures are.  This is a country that had a census in the 90s, I believe, but no one still knows for sure how many people are in Nigeria.  (Most put it around 150 million.) 

As an example of massaging figures, I think one census "recorded" more people in one of the northern (read: muslim) cities than in Lagos, which anyone who knew anything about Nigeria would find patently absurd.  Lagos is by far the most populous city in Nigeria, probably in Africa - it's crawling with people - and the idea that any other city is more populous is ridiculous. 

It's kind of like the number of jobs "created or saved".  This administration reminds me in so many ways of stuff that goes on in countries like Nigeria, but that's a topic for another day.

And for the record, I'm not necessarily saying that I disagree with putting Nigeria on the list.  After all, the idiot is Nigerian.  I'm just saying it's unfortunate that we're on the list when it's extremely unlikely that any other Nigerian would try to blow himself up along with others. Borrowing from another commenter's statement, I think there have been more American-born terrorists than Nigerian. (And I believe the number of the latter is 1 - the pantybomber.)

88 I see Indonesia (which is the largest Muslim country in the world) is NOT on the list. Why not???? Indonesia has a lengthy history of domestic and exported Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. WHO'S President? Grew up WHERE?

89 It's almost as if people are realizing that it's not a bunch of Anabaptists running around blowing things up.

Damn Cathars at it again in Europe?  Time for another Inquisition?  hehe

90 "Still, this is a welcome development. It's almost as if people are realizing that it's not a bunch of Anabaptists running around blowing things up." I dunno, Drew. Have you ever talked to an Anabaptist? They're kinda scary...

91

I share the concern that this will turn into a CYA, "See, we're taking a hard line." type of thing that is more smoke than fire. And that whoever is charged with this will wilt when the left whines.

But on the othe hand, practically every day for the past year has brought a new, mind boggling, liberal oriented policy from this administration that I couldn't have even imagined 18 months ago.

I'll take it and work for more. It's a step in the right direction FOR ONCE. 

  

92

" Again, while I sympathize for the innocent people caught up in this, we aren't leading them in chains about the airport or throwing them in jail, so complaints about 'violating civil rights' are waek at best."

Agreed. But I have really thought about this and I can honestly say that if I were flying to a foreign country and they were plagued with terrorist activities by people that fit the same profile I have...I would understand the need for extra screening. Wouldn't love it, might be a little irritated, but in the final analysis I would understand and go along.     

93

#4 - Funny how all of a sudden the rightwing knuckleheads care about profiling.

Yup we care about it and we love it!!!!  I am about as happy as hell that we are finally doing it.  Profile the literal shit out of these dirtbags.  Hell, shoot 'em on site if you do find something.

94 Anyone wanna bet the ACLU is gearing up for lawsuits?

95 One way to solve the airline security problem from the middle east would be to route all flights from there through Israel. It would be very effective.

96

It's almost as if people are realizing that it's not a bunch of Anabaptists running around blowing things up.

Amish terrorists!

Look out!  He has a high-methane cow!

*mooooooo - Boooooooooom!*

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