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April 17, 2014

— Ace

I quoted the story as it was written some hours ago.

But they've changed it, without acknowledging the change.

WAS: Pushilin acknowledged the flyers were distributed by his organization but he disavowed their content, according to the web site Jews of Kiev, Ynet reportedÂ…

NOW IS: Pushilin acknowledged that fliers were distributed under his organization's name in Donetsk but denied any connection to them, Ynet reported in Hebrew.

This is a major change in reporting -- from Pushilin admitting his men to handing them out, to a mere acknowledgement that he's aware of leaftlets purporting to come from his organization.

They have gone from reporting he publicly admitted that his men were dropping these leaflets, to him denying that.

This is not just a minor change in wording. This reverses, completely, their reporting on a key point.

We do not criticize the media for getting things wrong-- everyone gets things wrong, especially in fast-moving stories, and especially in cases of relying upon a translation.

But this is a major change to the original reporting and must be acknowledged as such -- otherwise people (like me) will go on thinking USAToday's original report was correct.

We don't get mad that they get things wrong. That is understandable.

We get mad that they can't bring themselves to admit they've gotten something wrong, and forthrightly correct the record.

And I have to think this is borne of incompetence. Competent people do not fear corrections, because they know they're getting things 90% right, and that's all you can hope for in this world.

It's the incompetents who are fearful that their next screw-up may mean their heads.

So I have to assume that USAToday considers itself incompetent, and on thin ice as far as the accuracy of its reporting.

Thanks to Anon Y. Mouse, who spotted this and was persistent in alerting me about it.

Unrelated, But: In Taranto's column discussing the politicization of the Census Bureau -- which, as DrewMTips notes, is a "crazy rightwing conspiracy theory" proven true -- he has a funny thing at the end.

Grandfather Clause
"This is not your grandfather's NATO anymore."--Thomas Friedman, New York Times, March 30, 2003
"Friends, we are in the midst of an energy crisis--but this is not your grandfather's energy crisis."--Friedman, New York Times, Jan. 20, 2006
"Well, my general view is that this isn't your father's recession; it's your grandfather's recession."--former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, New York Times website, Feb. 13, 2009
"To appreciate the problem, you need to know that this isn't your father's recession. It's your grandfather's, or maybe even (as I'll explain) your great-great-grandfather's."--Krugman, New York Times, Feb. 20, 2009
"I've been saying for almost a decade now that what we have these days aren't your father's recessions, they're your grandfather's recessions."--Krugman, New York Times website, Jan. 17, 2011
"And this is the relevant history we should be looking at: this isn't your father's slump, it's your grandfather's slump."--Krugman, New York Times website, Sept. 19, 2011
"If Israelis want to escape that fate, it is very important that they understand that we're not your grandfather's America anymore."--Friedman, New York Times, Nov. 11, 2012
"This is not your grandfather's battlefield."--Friedman, New York Times, Feb. 2, 2014
"We're not dealing anymore with your grandfather's Israel, and they're not dealing anymore with your grandmother's America either."--Friedman, New York Times, April 16, 2014

This is not your grandfather's cliched hackery.

Posted by: Ace at 12:19 PM | Comments (166)
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But this is a major change to the original reporting and must be acknowledged as such -- otherwise people (like me) will go on thinking USAToday's original report was correct.

Winston Smith, pick up the white courtesy phone, please.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2014 12:21 PM (ZkzmI)

2 Are they building ovens? Ovens are always a dead giveaway.

Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 12:22 PM (u2a4R)

3 Do we know the true story yet?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 12:23 PM (8D0/R)

4 Considering that the updated line includes "Ynet reported in Hebrew", is it possible that USA Today considers it merely a clarification of a mistranslation?

Posted by: S at April 17, 2014 12:24 PM (Y/HG5)

5 "Ovens are always a dead giveaway." Unless it's the Jews building the ovens, then it's because they like bread. But if it's not the Jews who are building ovens, look out.

Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 12:25 PM (u2a4R)

Winston Smith, pick up the white courtesy phone, please.

I'm too busy reporting unemployment numbers

Posted by: Winston Smith, BLS Analyst at April 17, 2014 12:25 PM (ZkzmI)

7 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Hillary! at April 17, 2014 12:25 PM (IdOTf)

8 We're never wrong ...even if we change the words 'n stuff.

Posted by: Your MFM Betters at April 17, 2014 12:25 PM (nsOJa)

9 Did we say registration of "Jews"? We meant registration of "commercial trucks." We regret any confusion this may have caused.

Posted by: USAToday at April 17, 2014 12:25 PM (8ZskC)

10 But this doesn't matter . haven't you heard Kerry made some sort of concession I mean deal to de-escalate the tensions there? Phew

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 17, 2014 12:26 PM (9+ccr)

11 >>>Considering that the updated line includes "Ynet reported in Hebrew", is it possible that USA Today considers it merely a clarification of a mistranslation? it's still a mistake. If I translate something for you (and I've done so), and I get the translation completely opposite, you know, it's a mistake.

Posted by: ace at April 17, 2014 12:26 PM (/FnUH)

12 Rules? Journalist honesty? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 17, 2014 12:26 PM (0FSuD)

13 USAToday is only fit for hobo insulation.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 17, 2014 12:26 PM (bX7ov)

14 6 "Ovens are always a dead giveaway." Unless it's the Jews building the ovens, then it's because they like bread. But if it's not the Jews who are building ovens, look out. Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 04:25 PM (u2a4R) Not true... as we all know that Jews bake their bread with Blood from the Islamic Babies!!!

Posted by: PLO at April 17, 2014 12:27 PM (84gbM)

Winston Smith, pick up the white courtesy phone, please.

I'm in a totally different line of work, now

Posted by: Winston Smith, GDP projectionist at April 17, 2014 12:27 PM (ZkzmI)

16 Not true... as we all know that Jews bake their bread with Blood from the Islamic Babies!!!

Posted by: PLO at April 17, 2014 04:27 PM (84gbM)

That's what makes it taste so good, and makes you crave it fortnightly!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2014 12:28 PM (DrWcr)

17 This is not your grandfather's grandfather anymore. Or his clause.

--Tom Terrific Friedman

Posted by: Sphynx at April 17, 2014 12:28 PM (OZmbA)

18 jwest, I don't know what point you're trying to make, but what you're saying is coming out extraordinarily ugly. I don't get the lighthearted throwaway reference to jews and ovens.

Posted by: ace at April 17, 2014 12:28 PM (/FnUH)

19 funemployment please, get the terms right.

Posted by: arnim zola at April 17, 2014 12:28 PM (Jsiw/)

20 No Grampa No Not There it hurts it hurts no grampa no!

Posted by: Tom Friedman at April 17, 2014 12:29 PM (oFCZn)

21 "I might not always be right but, by God, I ain't ever wrong."

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at April 17, 2014 12:30 PM (cxVzi)

22 21 No Grampa No Not There it hurts it hurts no grampa no! Posted by: Tom Friedman at April 17, 2014 04:29 PM (oFCZn) Son, mind your grampa or you'll have to go to the woods with me.

Posted by: Harry Reid, Pedarist at April 17, 2014 12:30 PM (0FSuD)

Buicks have changed. The principles of economics and geopolitics, not so much.

Posted by: West at April 17, 2014 12:30 PM (1Rgee)

24 Re: Friedman & Krugton's repetition - Remember how the MS used to accuse Bush of being in a bubble? Can only imagine the stale, repetitive water cooler/lunch room discussions at the NYT.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2014 12:30 PM (IdOTf)

Winston Smith, pick up the white courtesy phone, please.

I'm in the insurance business now.

Posted by: Winston Smith, ACA Enrollment Transponster at April 17, 2014 12:30 PM (ZkzmI)

26 Geoffrey Pratt US Ambassador to Ukraine "[...]this is the real deal --um-- and that it apparently is coming from.. ah.. somebody on the ground there among these, these radical groups --uh--either to stir fear or to create provocation justifying further violence [...]"

Posted by: tasker at April 17, 2014 12:32 PM (RJMhd)

27 Ace, why do you persist in thinking teh media wishes to tell the truth? What would inform you of this opinion given the last 10 years of coverage? Serially!

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 17, 2014 12:32 PM (oDCMR)

28 24 Buicks have changed. The principles of economics and geopolitics, not so much. Posted by: West at April 17, 2014 04:30 PM (1Rgee) Buicks have changed How so, old farts in the left lane, are still driving them at 20 MPH.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:32 PM (0FSuD)

29 I'm in the insurance business now. Posted by: Winston Smith, ACA Enrollment Transponster at April 17, 2014 04:30 PM (ZkzmI) Don't you mean you have always been in the insurance business?

Posted by: AMDG at April 17, 2014 12:32 PM (eFytx)

30 19 jwest, I don't know what point you're trying to make, but what you're saying is coming out extraordinarily ugly. I don't get the lighthearted throwaway reference to jews and ovens. Posted by: ace at April 17, 2014 04:28 PM (/FnUH I'm glad that you wrote that, cuz I don't get it.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 17, 2014 12:32 PM (HVff2)

31 This is Jacks Ace of Spades

Posted by: Zakn at April 17, 2014 12:32 PM (7F9i5)

32 I don't know what's more wtf worthy. Jwest's oven commentary or him quoting his oven commentary to make more oven commentary. So, in conclusion. WTF?

Posted by: Lauren at April 17, 2014 12:33 PM (hFL/3)

33 Economic principles and basic math remain unchanged despite our wordy columns, Kruggie.

Posted by: Your Grandfather at April 17, 2014 12:33 PM (IdOTf)

34 33 I don't know what's more wtf worthy. Jwest's oven commentary or him quoting his oven commentary to make more oven commentary.

So, in conclusion. WTF?

Posted by: Lauren at April 17, 2014 04:33 PM (hFL/3)

HOA president. 'Nuf said.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2014 12:33 PM (DrWcr)

So...History has a way of repeating itself, especially when it's ignored?

I think that's been said before. Somewhere.

Posted by: wheatie at April 17, 2014 12:34 PM (fAjDo)

36 Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. Your grandfather probably had an Indian, but she's not like his Indian.

Posted by: Thomas Friedman at April 17, 2014 12:34 PM (8ZskC)

37 So unless I vote for Democrats those in Koch, Texas, who don't care about black people, will take away my grandmother's Social Security?? Or maybe what you're really saying is that Republicans hate Muslims and want to imprison gay people.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 17, 2014 12:34 PM (pmsMR)

38 Are they building ovens? Ovens are always a dead giveaway. Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 04:22 PM (u2a4R) Thanks to our new Russian overlords, we'd like to announce our wide scale investment in pizza restaurants! Yup! We love pizza in the Ukraine! Lots of extra large pizza ovens on the way!

Posted by: Ukraine at April 17, 2014 12:34 PM (j0wOO)

39 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 17, 2014 12:34 PM (tsGZY)

40 I love honest open smiles Kisses from a child Tomatoes on a vine, and China And I love you too

Posted by: Tom T Friedman at April 17, 2014 12:35 PM (oFCZn)

41 37 Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. Your grandfather probably had an Indian, but she's not like his Indian. Posted by: Thomas Friedman at April 17, 2014 04:34 PM (8ZskC) Dot or feather? Either one is a lie.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:35 PM (0FSuD)

42 Well great--CNN has the US ambassador say that and then goes to two of it's reporters who-- pooh pooh it.

Posted by: tasker at April 17, 2014 12:35 PM (RJMhd)

43 Fuck'em all I say, ya just can't trust these bitches anymore.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 17, 2014 12:35 PM (OIlFO)

44 *its* reporters

Posted by: tasker at April 17, 2014 12:36 PM (RJMhd)

45 40 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Posted by: Lady in Black at April 17, 2014 04:34 PM (tsGZY) How nice her felon father in law can have a bar mitzavh.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:36 PM (0FSuD)

46 This isn't your grandfather's fascism. Well, maybe it is.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 17, 2014 12:37 PM (T0NGe)

47 Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. Your grandfather probably had an Indian, but she's not like his Indian. People wanted to ride grandad's Indian. Lieawatha? Not so much.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 12:37 PM (8D0/R)

48 Yeah, I've been saying these flyers look like disinfo.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 17, 2014 12:37 PM (ZPrif)

49 19 jwest, I don't know what point you're trying to make, but what you're saying is coming out extraordinarily ugly. USA Today and every other MSM outlet has played the story of the pro-Russian administration "registering" Jews in order to win sympathy for the pro-Ukrainian side. The registering of Jews is meant to evoke the specter of the evil side rounding them up, sending them to camps and eventually sending them to the ovens, ala Hitler. The oven reference was meant to show the absurdity of the premise, but apparently, only a few caught on. Or, you've cleverly caught the pro-Nazi, Jew hating jwest in the act. You decide.

Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 12:37 PM (u2a4R)

50 We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 17, 2014 12:37 PM (bb5+k)

51 Crimea river

Posted by: Vlad the Putinificent at April 17, 2014 12:38 PM (W6wuT)

52 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Poor thing, being cursed like that.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2014 12:38 PM (FcR7P)

53 And I have to think this is borne of incompetence. Competent people do not fear corrections, because they know they're getting things 90% right, and that's all you can hope for in this world. If they acknowledged how slipshod the standards and procedures of reporting were, nobody would read a newspaper. It's hackery all the way down.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 17, 2014 12:39 PM (T0NGe)

54 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Poor thing, being cursed like that. Poor thing having to hump that. Hope it came with a bottle of scotch.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 12:39 PM (8D0/R)

55 You decide. Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 04:37 PM (u2a4R) ************** Sometimes simpler is better. Remember your complicated Republican Convention prediction? That.

Posted by: tasker at April 17, 2014 12:40 PM (RJMhd)

56 It's possible part of the problem was a translation error. Seems like a lot of this info went from Ukrainian (or Russian?) to Hebrew to English.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 17, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

57 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Poor thing, being cursed like that. Poor thing having to hump that. Hope it came with a bottle of scotch. Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 04:39 PM (8D0/R) Well it probably was a one shot one time deal like her mom

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2014 12:40 PM (t3UFN)

58 Hope it came with a bottle of scotch.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 04:39 PM (8D0/R)

Probably a bottle of scotch and some good Lesbian pron......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2014 12:40 PM (QFxY5)

59 40Â Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers.Â Posted by: Lady in Black at April 17, 2014 04:34 PM (tsGZY Wow, seeing as how Chelsea is so ugly that even with multiple pork chops tied around her neck puppies still ran from her in terror. Them poor puppies, ruined them for life.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 17, 2014 12:41 PM (OIlFO)

Two points. (1) Actual leaflets were actually distributed, so it is a Thing as far as that goes. Three masked thugs acting as agents provacateurs attributing it to a separatist leader to stir up trouble.

(2) Anti-Semitism in Ukraine, according to Ukraine's top anti-Semitism watcher, is not pervasive and is in fact declining. So everyone who jumps on the "history is rhyming and here come the Pogroms again" bandwagon is buying into exactly the shit that the provocateurs are trying to stir up.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 17, 2014 12:41 PM (JtwS4)

61 jwest, I don't know what point you're trying to make I got it and thought it fit perfectly with the article. Maybe it's an age thing.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2014 12:41 PM (FcR7P)

62 Ace, ripping through the fourth estate like a Sirocco on steroids. I like it.

Posted by: Taz at April 17, 2014 12:41 PM (thLL8)

63 This country is utterly unrecognizable to me. I'm not even gonna tell you what I think about the creature you call president.

Posted by: My Deceased Grandfather at April 17, 2014 12:41 PM (LuUZe)

64 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. I'm going to be a grandmother!

Posted by: Huma Abedin at April 17, 2014 12:41 PM (oFCZn)

65 Clearly this is Hillary's baby, trying to out-fertility Palin, but the hatred of vagina hating Republicans (especially aging vagina) is forcing Hillary to claim it's Chelsea's.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at April 17, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

66 NY Slime reports that Kerry has an agreement with Russia that they are still a country or something and will work to stay one. Ukrainians not so impressed.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:43 PM (0FSuD)

67 The only grandfather clasuse my grandfather repeated was that his vegetables were bigger and better in his garden than my dad's. They were in competition about this, you see. Always brings a smile to my face. Good times.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 17, 2014 12:43 PM (IXrOn)

68 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. BREAKING: That story was due to an error in translation. Chelsea Clinton is actually stupid, not pregnant.

Posted by: USAToday at April 17, 2014 12:43 PM (8ZskC)

69 We don't get mad that they get things wrong. That is understandable. In the last few years, first news reports are always wrong. Pure random chance, they would, just by accident, get somethings right but they don't. You have to work to get thing wrong every time, all the time.

Posted by: The Smith Family, Robinson Division at April 17, 2014 12:43 PM (9NR+i)

70 I totally believe the flyers. Stuff like this happens all the time on our campus. Trust me.

Posted by: Women of Color Studies Diversity Outreach Coordinator at April 17, 2014 12:43 PM (ZPrif)

71 Well it probably was a one shot one time deal like her mom I wish.

Posted by: The Tuzla Sniper at April 17, 2014 12:44 PM (8ZskC)

72 Has anybody ever seen Thomas Friedman and Paul Krugman at the same time ?

Posted by: If It Walks Like A Terrier at April 17, 2014 12:44 PM (e8kgV)

73 I see glimmers of hope on the horizon (or is that around the verizon) Â…

Media Matters for America is apparently resisting an effort by Service Employees International Union Local 500 to unionize its staff.

I figure eventually this will have to migrate to Congressional offices, rendering all of DC hopeless.

Posted by: If It Walks Like A Terrier at April 17, 2014 12:45 PM (e8kgV)

74 Are there any reports of ovens at Oberlin College - cuz that would be a clue.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 17, 2014 12:45 PM (oDCMR)

75 I can't help but see the linkage between this Ukranian leaflet dust up, and the Ron Paul article further down the page. It's funny how certain people's followers always seem to get the wrong idea and become anti semitic or conspiratorial.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2014 12:45 PM (ZkzmI)

Friedman walks into a bar and orders a beer.

Friedman looks around and says to the bartender, " I've never been her before. This is a great looking place, who owns it?"

The bartender replies, " My grandfather. "

Posted by: polynikes at April 17, 2014 12:45 PM (m2CN7)

77 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers.

Does the husband know the father?

Posted by: dantesed at April 17, 2014 12:45 PM (88xKn)

78 You decide. Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 04:37 PM (u2a4R) I have to say it is often difficult to grasp what you are trying to say. I think people have the same problem with me on occasion. As Karl Poppers said: "Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who misunderstand you." http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 17, 2014 12:45 PM (bb5+k)

79 Ace, ripping through the fourth estate like a Sirocco on steroids. I like it. Posted by: Taz at April 17, 2014 04:41 PM (thLL Tribal Pulitzer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 17, 2014 12:46 PM (IXrOn)

80 This is not your grandfather's comment.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:46 PM (0HooB)

81 She is going to allow herself to be punished with a baby?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 17, 2014 12:46 PM (32Ze2)

82 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Which should win Hillary a Grandmother Of The Year award just in time for the elections. The photos of her being a doting grandma could easily break all records of revulsion.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2014 12:47 PM (FcR7P)

83 Well it probably was a one shot one time deal like her mom ****** But what a shot it was.

Posted by: Web Hubbel at April 17, 2014 12:47 PM (vgIRn)

84 This is not your grandfathers 1911 .45 cal ... Umm , wait a sec . Shit , it is my grandfathers 1911 !! Weird huh ? John Moses Browning , killin' nazis for over a hundred years .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 17, 2014 12:47 PM (whqez)

85 I wish I had my grandfather's dick.

Posted by: dickless rapper at April 17, 2014 12:47 PM (hn5v5)

86 Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Does the husband know the father? Better question: Does Chelsea?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 12:47 PM (8D0/R)

The ovens...I get a little unsettled at how often we talk about the camps here, and was thinking of being a Scoldilocks about it, but then I figured there have been lots of re-education camps and suchlike.

If you read J.J. Sefton's stuff this morning about the personal impact of the Holocaust on his family, or if you know anything of the actual fucking history of the actual fucking Holocaust and have any shred of human empathy you don't make casual jokes about the ovens.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 17, 2014 12:47 PM (JtwS4)

88 76 Are there any reports of ovens at Oberlin College - cuz that would be a clue. Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 17, 2014 04:45 PM (oDCMR) Ovens? Well, the Kiln blew up. You talking about the kiln, right?

Posted by: Zombie Fain Leberwitz at April 17, 2014 12:48 PM (0FSuD)

89 Repost from the earlier post: Just finished reading the russian/ukranian souces - Pushilin DOES NOT acknowledge that his men are responsible for the leaflet, but denies it as a false flag. Pushilin claims that the leaflet is betrayed by the title it attributes to him - 'people's gubernator'. An interesting thing is that it is mostly Ukranian Media (prior to the leaflet) that calls Pushin a 'people's gubernator' when he became a replacement for arrested Pavel Gubarev. The latter did call himself people's gubernator. Pushilin has been referring to himself as the 'chairman of the temporary government of the Republic of Donbas. Potato Potatoe? Decide for yourself

Posted by: Comrade J at April 17, 2014 12:48 PM (6kkPP)

90 The registering of Jews is meant to evoke the specter of the evil side rounding them up, sending them to camps and , ala Hitler. Stalin ? well or ala russia 1920-30s?

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:49 PM (nqBYe)

91 69Â Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers.Â BREAKING: That story was due to an error in translation. Chelsea Clinton is actually stupid, not pregnant. Posted by: USAToday at April 17, 2014 04:43 PM (8ZskC She could be stupid AND preggers, but just who could be so hard up to actually play "hide wee willy" with Chelsea? I'll take stupid for $500.00 Alex.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 17, 2014 12:49 PM (OIlFO)

92 But this doesn't matter . haven't you heard Kerry made some sort of concession I mean deal to de-escalate the tensions there? Phew Oh crap, what did he negotiate away this time? May Day party at the Washington Memorial?

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 17, 2014 12:49 PM (thLL8)

93 Which should win Hillary a Grandmother Of The Year award just in time for the elections. The photos of her being a doting grandma could easily break all records of revulsion.

--

It's Gramelot!*

* key: grandma + camelot

Posted by: Stupid crap the MFM will say at April 17, 2014 12:49 PM (tsGZY)

This is not your grandfather's comment.

No, but it is your grandfather's blog comment software.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 17, 2014 12:50 PM (JtwS4)

95 anyway, Look they can bring whatever opinion to the table now. see we wrote this ;negative or see we wrote this ;affirmative

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:50 PM (nqBYe)

96 Think about it Some pregnancies are announced with smiles and congratulatory hugs and some end in trash bags and Ball Jars in nameless clinics. It's really amazing to me. The Cognative Dissonance would be enough would be enough to make my head explode.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 17, 2014 12:50 PM (32Ze2)

97 Enough with the jokes! Just point me to your grandfather's granddaughter...

Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (FcR7P)

98 62 jwest, I don't know what point you're trying to make

I got it and thought it fit perfectly with the article. Maybe it's an age thing.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2014 04:41 PM (FcR7P)

++++

When a known troll starts making oblique comments about Jews and ovens, it raises questions.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (IN7k+)

99 She could be stupid AND preggers, but just who could be so hard up to actually play "hide wee willy" with Chelsea? I'll take stupid for $500.00 Alex. Posted by: Killerdog at April 17, 2014 04:49 PM (OIlFO) I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Clinton. Not once, not ever.

Posted by: Mark Mezvitsky [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (yz6yg)

100 That's not my grandkid--its the milkman's.

Posted by: Homer Friedman at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (RJMhd)

101 BREAKING: That story was due to an error in translation. Chelsea Clinton is actually stupid, not pregnant. Posted by: USAToday at April 17, 2014 04:43 PM (8ZskC I'd says so. Doesn't she know condoms are free?

Posted by: St Sandra at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (0FSuD)

102 that was a pregnant pause Cavuto.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (nqBYe)

103 This is not your Grandfather's NY Times ... Unless your grandfather was Walter Duranty

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2014 12:51 PM (aTXUx)

104 Enough with the jokes! Just point me to your grandfather's granddaughter...

Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 17, 2014 04:51 PM (FcR7P)

wait ! Whut?

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 17, 2014 12:52 PM (W6iIX)

105 >>Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. Does the husband know the father? Better question: Does Chelsea? The father's name is Baster. Mr T. Baster.

Posted by: Aviator at April 17, 2014 12:52 PM (3rrMW)

106 This is not your Grandfather's NY Times ... Unless your grandfather was Walter Duranty Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2014 04:51 PM (aTXUx) :::: golf clap :::: Well played, sir

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:52 PM (yz6yg)

107 The New York Post reported that A.J. Mass worked as the team's mascot from 1994 to 1997. He recalls in his memoir, "Yes, ItÂ’s Hot in Here: Adventures in the Weird, Woolly World of Sports Mascots," Jackie Robinson's 50th anniversary at Shea Stadium, which was attended by Clinton in 1997.

He writes that the agent told him that they have snipers around the stadium. Mass recalls the agent saying, "Like I said, do whatever it is you normally do. Nobody will bother you. But approach the president, and we go for the kill shot. Are we clear?" The agent repeated the line twice, Mass writes.

Posted by: If It Walks Like A Baseball at April 17, 2014 12:52 PM (e8kgV)

108 You have to work to get thing wrong every time, all the time. They don't know shit, but they're the first to report on it! Film at 11.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:53 PM (0HooB)

109 Friends, we are in the early stages of a Clinton ugly so vile, it runs three generations deep. We're not just dealing with your grandmother's ugly on this one.

Posted by: Fritz at April 17, 2014 12:53 PM (oJUxt)

110 truck monkey i relate it to two women giving birth 10 mths gestation < hooray a baby! tears , smiles, etc. another women 10 mths gestation, giving birth to a parasitic mass of cells, finally it's out of me .

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (nqBYe)

111 A new Clinton baby or an Historic FirstÂ® televised abortion? Hillary advisers are huddling with the focus group stats right now.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (8ZskC)

112 Wasn't me. Just the sight of that awful pocket makes me hide behind Mark's Spleen.

Posted by: Mark Mezvitsky's Little Mezvitsky at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (32Ze2)

113 Mass recalls the agent saying, "Like I said, do whatever it is you normally do. Nobody will bother you. But approach the president, and we go for the kill shot. I'd be doing what I do from the parking lot.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (8D0/R)

114 107 This is not your Grandfather's NY Times ... Unless your grandfather was Walter Duranty Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2014 04:51 PM (aTXUx) I agree, well played. Same crew, different year. His fucking picture is still in the lobby with his Pulitzer.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (0FSuD)

115 Friedman walks into a bar and orders a beer. Friedman looks around and says to the bartender, " I've never been her before. This is a great looking place, who owns it?" The bartender replies, " My grandfather. " Posted by: polynikes at April 17, 2014 04:45 PM (m2CN7) Then Obama comes in and says to the bartender, "But he didn't build this!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (1Mxs7)

116 but just who could be so hard up to actually play "hide wee willy" with Chelsea?

She's married into a political crime family. That kid has four evil grandparents.

Posted by: HR at April 17, 2014 12:54 PM (ZKzrr)

117 How DARE you accuse Hillary of using her grandchild as a prop!!!

She loves that child just like she loves us all.

Posted by: Leftards Everywhere, circa early 2016 at April 17, 2014 12:55 PM (NXg/k)

118 ok crazy, i lost a whole sentence in that comment. one says, Hooray, isn't she/he beautiful

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:55 PM (nqBYe)

119 so who says the pamphlets are not so obama three-dimensional chess jedi master thing to scare putin by showing him what he is up against if obama plays hard?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 17, 2014 12:55 PM (rDidD)

120 nevermind.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:55 PM (nqBYe)

121 Hillary makes an even more beautiful grandmother than that vile snowbilly, that's for sure.

Posted by: Leftards Everywhere, circa early 2016 at April 17, 2014 12:55 PM (NXg/k)

122 so web hubbell is having another kid at his age?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 17, 2014 12:55 PM (rDidD)

123

"But approach the president, and we go for the kill shot. Are we clear?"

Sir, I couldn't tell if it was a mascot or a giant papier-mache headed terrorist, so I took the shot.

-- Secret Service Agent Smith

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2014 12:56 PM (ZkzmI)

124 Oh boy, cheese and white wine breath. Everyone stand back.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:56 PM (0FSuD)

125
>>Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. <<<<

Opening up the betting pool on the abortion date.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2014 12:56 PM (hUf/y)

126 nevermind. Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 04:55 PM (nqBYe) ::: slides willow the Pinot Grigio :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:56 PM (yz6yg)

127 so who says the pamphlets are not so obama three-dimensional chess jedi master thing to scare putin by showing him what he is up against if obama plays hard? You honestly typed that with a straight face? Honestly?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2014 12:56 PM (8D0/R)

128 Wow, Krugman and Friedman teaming up, like the Batman and Robin of pompous, know it all assholes.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 17, 2014 12:57 PM (yv+63)

129 nevermind. Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 04:55 PM (nqBYe) __________________ I understand completely. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: Mark Mezvitsky's Little Mezvitsky at April 17, 2014 12:57 PM (32Ze2)

130 so who says the pamphlets are not so obama three-dimensional chess jedi master thing to scare putin by showing him what he is up against if obama plays hard? You honestly typed that with a straight face? Honestly? Posted by: rickb223 dont make me blood libel you.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 17, 2014 12:57 PM (rDidD)

131 slides willow the Pinot Grigio ::: Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 17, 2014 04:56 PM (yz6yg) ty, ty, sometimes comments can go terribly wrong. drinks from bottle.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 12:57 PM (nqBYe)

132 Chelsea Clinton has one in the oven.. Oops can I say that here ? Too ugly ?

Posted by: Is this something? at April 17, 2014 12:58 PM (qQk+U)

133 Hillary makes an even more beautiful grandmother than that vile snowbilly, that's for sure. Posted by: Leftards Everywhere, circa early 2016 at April 17, 2014 04:55 PM (NXg/k) True dat. Right up until the staples running up her back and onto her skull give wayÂ….then it's Katie bar the door.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:58 PM (yz6yg)

134 Pick-A-Headline: chelsea clinton is having a baby OR... chelsea clinton is not having an abortion

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 17, 2014 12:58 PM (nylF6)

135 Nood super-linky post.

Posted by: AMDG at April 17, 2014 12:58 PM (eFytx)

136 ty, ty, sometimes comments can go terribly wrong. drinks from bottle. Posted by: willow at April 17, 2014 04:57 PM (nqBYe) It's not often I witness a tragic commenting accident. Do you need any comforting? Asking for friend.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 17, 2014 12:59 PM (yz6yg)

137 133 Chelsea Clinton has one in the oven.. Oops can I say that here ? Too ugly ? WELL, seeing as how her husband is a Jew, you might be on thin ice here. Nah. He's probably not the father anyway.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2014 12:59 PM (0FSuD)

138

One of my favorite Far Side Cartoons:

Witch 1 to Witch 2 - "Oh, Helen! Your're pregnant? That's wonderful! When you said you had one in the oven, I was taking you quite literally!"

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2014 12:59 PM (ZkzmI)

139 is the baby gonna have a red bulbous nose like bill's

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 17, 2014 12:59 PM (nylF6)

140

Leaflets...are such a low-tech, old school thing.

Who knew, that Leaflets could still have such an impact today.

Posted by: wheatie at April 17, 2014 12:59 PM (fAjDo)

141 >>Cavuto reporting Chelsea Clinton is preggers. There is a whole lot of "taking one for the team".

Posted by: Aviator at April 17, 2014 01:00 PM (3rrMW)

142 so obama has been flying b2s over ukraine and dropping leaflets?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 17, 2014 01:00 PM (rDidD)

143 Chelsea Clinton's kids aunt or uncle is a blue dress

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2014 01:02 PM (t3UFN)

144 The registering of Jews is meant to evoke the specter of the evil side rounding them up, sending them to camps and eventually sending them to the ovens, ala Hitler.

The oven reference was meant to show the absurdity of the premise, but apparently, only a few caught on.

Or, you've cleverly caught the pro-Nazi, Jew hating jwest in the act.

You decide.

Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2014 04:37 PM (u2a4R)

Dude, you're just being a dick. Do I need to post the entire history of the various pogroms and holocausts that have been inflicted over the last 2000 years upon the Jews? Or maybe have it tattooed on your asshole forehead?

Pogroms against the Jews HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, and have for 20 centuries! The fucking premise is NOT at all absurd that something terrible might happen to the Jews in the Ukraine, and it could happen in a heartbeat.

Go look at some pictures of the ovens at work before you em-prick-en the website with your stupidity again. It doesn't mean you're a Nazi, just that you're a jackass.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2014 01:02 PM (TM1p8)

145 anyone remember Joe Lieberman? funny how silent he's been on kerry's failed peace-deal talks

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 17, 2014 01:03 PM (nylF6)

146 To lighten things up after going after jwest, I offer this old classic:

Q. Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
A. Because her Dad is Janet Reno.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2014 01:04 PM (TM1p8)

147 is the baby gonna have a red bulbous nose like bill's

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 17, 2014 04:59 PM (nylF6)

You meant Web Hubbell didn't you ?

Posted by: polynikes at April 17, 2014 01:08 PM (m2CN7)

148

The same people who say you can't joke about the Holocaust think prison rape jokes are hilarious. I've quit trying to understand it.

Posted by: MAx at April 17, 2014 01:09 PM (b7yum)

149 A ducks quack doesn't echo. Does anyone know why?

Posted by: Is this something? at April 17, 2014 01:10 PM (qQk+U)

150 The same people who say you can't joke about the Holocaust think prison rape jokes are hilarious. I've quit trying to understand it. Posted by: MAx at April 17, 2014 05:09 PM (b7yum) That's a rather disgraceful comparison

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2014 01:10 PM (t3UFN)

151

149 Next some self-righteous jagoff is gonna insist that we can't tell jokes about Jody stealing someone's girl.

Oh wait that already happened here.

Posted by: MAx at April 17, 2014 01:11 PM (b7yum)

152 Was it USA today that did another stealth edit sometime back? It was about Ray nagin being found guilty. Originally there was no party ID Whalen ace wrote the post. And then a few hours later it was edited to include his party affiliation.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 17, 2014 01:11 PM (n5pju)

153 Wait, bill clinton is Web Hubbell's son?

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 17, 2014 01:12 PM (nylF6)

154 151 That's a rather disgraceful opinion. Or is it just that you find prison rape amusing???

Posted by: MAx at April 17, 2014 01:12 PM (b7yum)

155

Would you rather be shot in the head or buttraped every day for ten years?

Which would involve more trauma and suffering?

O tell me, o self-appointed humorcop, what is funny and what is not!

Posted by: MAx at April 17, 2014 01:17 PM (b7yum)

156 This is not your grandfather's alien invasion.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at April 17, 2014 01:18 PM (1CroS)

157 Would you rather be shot in the head or buttraped every day for ten years?
Which would involve more trauma and suffering?
O tell me, o self-appointed humorcop, what is funny and what is not!

Posted by: MAx at April 17, 2014 05:17 PM (b7yum)

Something to think about before making the decision to commit a crime that carries a ten year prison sentence, I guess. One person gets butt-fucked for ten years every day, which is horrible, but which nobody can really do much about, as a result of committing a crime and being incarcerated.

And one person gets to watch his entire family murdered in front of him and dumped in a ditch, three generations, and then is shot in the head for the "crime" of breathing while Jewish.

I know which one I think would be worse to endure.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2014 01:24 PM (TM1p8)

158 how many times did King Barky describe how many countries as "punching about their weight"?

Posted by: mallfly at April 17, 2014 01:55 PM (bJm7W)

159 spouting cliches is what lefties do, don't you know.

Posted by: mallfly at April 17, 2014 01:56 PM (bJm7W)

160 "We're not dealing anymore with your grandfather's Israel, and they're not dealing anymore with your grandmother's America either."

That's right, Tommy. For starters, your grandmother's America actually said what it meant, meant what it said and honored its commitments to its allies. Similarly, your grandfather's Israel was aware of that.

The current America says what it thinks polls well, changes its story when the old one has grown inconvenient and can't be trusted to accurately say where the sun will rise, while the current Israel ... is also aware of that.

So even in this ever-shifting age, there are still some reliable constants.

Posted by: PCachu at April 17, 2014 01:58 PM (r2Oug)

161 Until you figger out that YNet is as liberal as the NYT...and if a report fits their ideology to a 'T', they'll go with it. Plus, you're still buying the MSM's narrative that the Ruskies are the bad guys in all of this. Hint: Obama's left wing diplomats paid for, organized and materially supported a coup and put the far right wing NAZIs in charge. Now, it's a three or four way civil war.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at April 17, 2014 02:15 PM (q6kaG)

162 Well, they both have moustaches and work at the NYT. Plus they're both liberal douchebags.

I say they're twins. Or coequal dopplegangers.

Anyone know if Friedman has a cat?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 17, 2014 03:45 PM (JS0vr)

163 Speaking as someone descended from Ukrainian Jews, this is so seriously scary shit.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 17, 2014 03:51 PM (Icq+V)

164 Yeah. With my grandfather's generation, everything they went through in life was 'Great'. The Great War, the Great Depression, the Great Gatsby... they were a notably humble folk and specific to their age. If they'd had a Clause, what could it have been but Great?

Posted by: Speller at April 17, 2014 08:34 PM (J74Py)

165

Putin is trying to hold Europeans hostage to his energy supplies. In the meantime, Obama is trying to destroy the United States' energy supply. The communists have ganged up on the world. Sorry Ukrainians, your mistake, you should never trust a Democrat.

Posted by: burt at April 18, 2014 08:46 AM (1+kJ5)

166 (waves his hands Jedi-like) ...

These are not the warmed-over cliches you are looking for. Drive on.

Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at April 19, 2014 08:30 PM (wT9UL)

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