1 I predict a riot.

2 You can tell he was going for his taser. You can see the shock on his face like "wtf just happened". 

3 Actually it would almost be funny if huge riots broke out everywhere and stole all of Lebron's thunder.

4 Seems about right to me.

The cop didn't set out that night to shoot an ex-con druggie resisting arrest. They'd already found two guns on that line that night, and the guy wouldn't show his hands.  The cop seemed surprised as hell too. 

Judge not lest ye be judged.  He was judged and it seems about right.

5 Oakland will burn.

6 4 White people can't make mistakes.It was racism straight up.

7

I predict that after this verdict San Francisco police will only be permitted to carry tazers and candy to hand out to gang-bangers.

8 I live just North of Oakland and the local news said they were already gathering. Yes, they will riot and loot. They need some new TV's. Actually I think it was a fair verdict. The dead man had a rap sheet a mile long.

9 He negligently killed someone? GIVE HIM THE CHAIR!

10 Wow, two posts in a row:

"Drill, Baby, Drill!"

b/w

"Burn, Baby Burn!"

11 I'm calling my million men right now.

12 Seems plausible?  What else could it be?  He either had an IQ of an ant and executed someone in plain view with cameras and phones, or he was confused and thought he had his Taser.  I don't understand why he got any time at all. 

13 I live just North of Oakland and the local news said they were already gathering. Yes, they will riot and loot. They need some new TV's. Actually I think it was a fair verdict. The dead man had a rap sheet a mile long.

Posted by: Donna at July 08, 2010 07:50 PM (A77nn)

This TV's for Rodney, uh, that guy who got shot. This TV? That one's for me.

14 Let 'em riot.  Then kill the rioters.  No more problems and you'll also probably reduce the local tax burden.

15 I honestly wouldn't have sentenced him to that much. Or, well, anything. There were, like, 15 gang members in a fight and 3 cops on scene? These guys were already violent, some were armed, and a cop made a mistake in a high stress situation.

I'm not in love with cops and governmental authority, but I'm not crying over the thugs, either. My only criteria is "if a private citizen did this, what should happen?" And if there were three normal people and 15 thugs, and one of the normal people accidentally shot a thug when the normal person was trying to leave or break up a fight or whatever, I wouldn't consider it a criminal act.

16 Summer riots are the best.

17 The jury acted stupidly

18 Hell, they ought to burn the whole damn state down, that'll make things right. And I don't give a fat rat's ass anyhoo.

19 Please train your eye on the black dudes in the press conference. The bow ties represent the nation of islam. uh oh.

20 Go ahead and burn it down...we'll sue the gas companies...we're already hosing BP...

21 >>In Oakland, radicals and "community activists organizers" have been agitating for a riot unless "justice" was done

FIFY

22 They probably only sentenced this guy at all to try to stave off riots. That's justice for you.

23 Can't we all jest get along?

24 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page.

25

Break out the barbeque and the beer.

My money is on the rioters.  The city - a distant second.

26 I mean you pick a fight with someone in authority with a gun, and 100% of the outcome is on YOU! And it does not matter if you were drunk, stupid, used to shooting it out with your homeys.  What the hell has happened to authority in this country?  I think if Clint Eastwood did another Dirty Harry movie he could just start it out by pulling the 44 magnum out and shooting himself out of despair of ever being a cop.

27

In Oakland, radicals and "community activists" have been agitating for a riot unless "justice" was done, and I'm guessing they'll have their riot after all.

Posted by: Ace at 07:43 PM

So, if the CIA wacks a jihadi, that's a crime against humanity, because they didn't give the guy a fair trial first. Apparently, though, a "fair trial" is one in which the government is allowed to set the outcome ahead of time, just in case the jury is thinking of getting uppity.

Do I have the leftwing view pretty much covered?

28 You guys are overlooking the part that as an officer of the law - professionally trained with firearms and paid by the public to specifically keep it safe - he should be held to a higher standard.

He got off way to light. You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off.

29 Ella, I agree. He probably wouldn't have been convicted of anything but they feared riots.They're gonna get one. The police has been on notice so maybe they can quell it. We shall see.

30 Can't we all get along

No, we can't.

But here's the thing: yes, we can. Well, why not? Because of differences. Well, can we overcome these differences? No. Can we find each other and connect with each other in spite of these differences? No, we can't. But, we have to try. . . .

31 He got off way to light. You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off.

Posted by: Orlando M at July 08, 2010 07:54 PM (V9PCL)

Is that like beer goggles?  And what have you done with Dawn?

32

The local news outlets are running statements from famliy members and preacher types that are screaming about the lack of justice.

The main famliy spokeman said he wasnt responsible for how people in Oakland react.  He didn't suggest peace.  He suggest avoidance of destruction of Oscar Grant friendly businesses.

Right now Rev. Keith Mohammed is about 5 minutes into a sermon on the Fox news.  "What is the value of a black mans life in America".  Network should cut to studio or else they are simply pumping up the heat for the riots.

 

 

33 Even if the cop had been given a harsher sentence, they would riot in Oakland. Anything is an excuse. The city should be nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

And you can thank Jerry Brown for how awesome Oakland is.

34

Right now Rev. Keith Mohammed is about 5 minutes into a sermon on the Fox news.  "What is the value of a black mans life in America".  Network should cut to studio or else they are simply pumping up the heat for the riots.

now you're  catching on. violence is good tv, peace isn't.

35 I hope they go across the bridge and burn down the homes of the hippies, leftwing academics, liberal/socialist/communist activists and politicians in San Fransisco. Then go terrorize the hippies at Berkeley; steal their cocaine and BMWs and make them flee and scream in fear.

36 I admit that the guy looks confused after he shot the guy but I'm not buying someone mistook a glock .40 for a taser. I would think when he aimed it at the guy it would have become pretty apparent he had the wrong weapon.

37 "What is the value of a black mans life in America"

These are the same people who say we haven't made any progress since Jim Crow/the 60s.  Sometimes I wonder if they're actually asking for us to return to those times.

38 Edit.........#35, I'm referring to the rioters if that wasn't clear.

39 NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!1111!!!

But I will be scorin an I-Phone and a new pair of Adidas.

40 The Governator should send in the National Guard now.

41 Sickening listening to these race pimps go on and on about no justice for the black man. They are egging on a riot. A riot that could make some more "black men dead. Anything for an agenda. Just one small thing. The American people aren't buying this crap anymore.

42 He got off way to light. You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off.


Gosh, you're right, I mean being surrounded by 12 to 15 violent thugs with a situation out of control, he should have tried to get them to sing or something, he deserves 10 years, or more.  Whatever you do for a living I hope you are absolutely PERFECT!

43

Hey!  I know!  Let's boycott Oakland!

No... No - Let's boycott the whole damn state!

And sue the bastards!  That's it!  Sue the racist bastards.

44

My kid just got back from vacation with relatives -- and a trip to Oakland for an A's game.  I'm soooo grateful he's back home.

This will get out of hand I'm sure of it.

45 36 I admit that the guy looks confused after he shot the guy but I'm not buying someone mistook a glock .40 for a taser. I would think when he aimed it at the guy it would have become pretty apparent he had the wrong weapon.

Posted by: robtr at July 08, 2010 07:58 PM (fwSHf)

I don't buy that excuse either.

46 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page.

Posted by: Ben at July 08, 2010 07:53 PM (DKV43)

Prayers to Russ.

47 I'm on my way...

48 King , part deux .

49 The Obama Administration has set back race relations in America nearly a century. 

50 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page. Damn, Russ, that's a shame. Best wishes to you and yours, if you're reading this.

51

Dude clearly said to partners beforehand that he was "going to tase him". 

Any excuse to burn and loot.

52 who kills people openly like that?

Governments. Cops, for example.

53 They found this cop guilty of a gun enhancement for the invooluntary manslaughter.  That could add up to 10 years to the sentence, with much judicial discretion.  I hope they don't give a cop extra time for using his weapon.  The gun enhancement shouldn't apply to police officers absent willful or intentional conduct on the part of the officer.   

54 Looks like horseplay.

55 Don't tase me bro!!!!

56

I'm not excusing this, because I wasn't there.  I am a police detective with 11 years in patrol and 5 in a detective division.  In Philly, our Tasers are on our rigs (gun belts) right next to our firearms.  We have had one or two officers grab for one and not the other - mostly because they are inches apart on the rig.

The officers didn't fire, of course, but I can see the Oakland officer's argument.  Again, I wasn't there, but if the Oakland PD usaes the same placement as Philly . . .

57

Hmmm, decisions decisions.

Watch LeBron's announcement or burn the mutha down.

Which will it be?

58 Cops need better weapons training.They need to hit what they aim at and draw the right tool for the job.More training is the answer,less diversity/sensitivity more weapons training.

59 57 Watch Lebron THAN burn the mutha down.Simple.

60 I admit that the guy looks confused after he shot the guy but I'm not buying someone mistook a glock .40 for a taser. I would think when he aimed it at the guy it would have become pretty apparent he had the wrong weapon.

That's some damn fine armchair quarterbacking if I ever saw it.

Mistakes happen. Sometimes they're tragic.

61

24 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page.

 

Prayers going up to Russ and his family.

62  He got off way to light. You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off.

Oh, fuck off. "Cop blinders" -- you're worse than the idiots who deified the thug who was accidentally killed.

63 Well, the riots may--may--result in at least one of the multitude of Lohan stories to be removed from the foxnews.com front page, so we've got that working for us.

Russ from Winterset: you have my condolences.

64

Hmmm, decisions decisions.

Watch LeBron's announcement or burn the mutha down.

Which will it be?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 08, 2010 08:04 PM (5Y41L)

He won't sign with Golden State, so I'm guessing they will elect to burn the mutha down.

65 I can honestly say that I do not have cop blinders.

66 There's something wrong with people who cheer executions performed by government representatives. Let go the race and rap sheet and geographic aspects. They count for nothing. This shooting is a tragedy. The dead man behaved stupidly, but Officer Friendly is never your friend.

67 Again, I wasn't there, but if the Oakland PD usaes the same placement as Philly

I understand they do, Wyatt. Shitty ergonomics.

68 I work in Oakland.  When the news came down at 3 PM that the jury reached a verdict and that it would be read at 4 PM, I booked out of my office.  I noted that there were an awful lot of people leaving downtown Oakland for an early weekday afternoon -- lots of traffic on the freeway on-ramps, people driving purposefully.

Of course, our branch manager had issued an e-mail last week authorizing telecommuting on any days that didn't feel safe.  I'd been working from home until today, when we were supposed to have a client meeting (which was cancelled just as I was reaching the office).

We have another client meeting tomorrow morning.  I hope that downtown Oakland isn't a smoldering ruin by then.  Probably there will just be crews sweeping up a lot of broken glass, and maybe hosing some blood off the pavement.

69 who kills people openly like that?

Governments. Cops, for example.

Posted by: oblig. at July 08, 2010 08:03 PM (x7Ao

Geez, you give a few hundred million people and people just won't let it go.

70

The officers didn't fire, of course, but I can see the Oakland officer's argument.  Again, I wasn't there, but if the Oakland PD usaes the same placement as Philly . . .

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 08:04 PM (zgZzy)

I can see someone drawing the wrong weapon but taking the safety off and pointing it and aiming it should give someone a clue. I can buy the fact that he didn't mean to shoot the guy and maybe just threaten him but the taser story seems weak to me. I wasn't there though.

71

I work in Oakland. 

Cripes! Be careful, stuiec

 

RiW--I doubt you're reading but sympathies in  your loss...

72 The Fruit of Islam will take to the streets!

73 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page.

Posted by: Ben at July 08, 2010 07:53 PM (DKV43)

Prayers to Russ.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 08, 2010 08:00 PM (0pYSi)

May he and his loved ones find comfort and peace.

74
You guys are overlooking the part that as an officer of the law - professionally trained with firearms and paid by the public to specifically keep it safe - he should be held to a higher standard.

He got off way to light. You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off.

Posted by: Orlando M at July 08, 2010 07:54 PM (V9PCL)

You're overlooking the fact that when you're a scourge on humanity and choose to go out of your way to violently screw with law enforcement officers time and time again, shit happens.

The perp played roulette one too many times and lost.

75 Cop shoots somebody on the ground, that should be strict liability for murder one.  No non-police civilian would get any benefit of the doubt.

Additionally - the holsters are different.  An officer has to depress a button on a retention holster to draw his service pistol.  The taser does not have a similar button.  That's premeditation.

The good news is that with the legalization of pot in California, the rioters will prioritize robbing the pot stores - a self-limiting problem.

76 Well if they riot, they burn down their own homes, or the homes of hippy Obama supporters, so this is a win in my book.

77 @70

My gun doesn't have a safety. A lot of guns don't; they have a stiffer trigger pull to keep them from going off accidentally.

78 We have another client meeting tomorrow morning.  I hope that downtown Oakland isn't a smoldering ruin by then.  Probably there will just be crews sweeping up a lot of broken glass, and maybe hosing some blood off the pavement.

Posted by: stuiec at July 08, 2010 08:07 PM (W+GYq)

Good luck.  Glad you got out of there early.

79 No Lebron thread?

80

Wouldn't Oakland be better for a good burning?

81 Glocks have no manual safety.Unless Ploice use a special model.

82 That's some damn fine armchair quarterbacking if I ever saw it.

Mistakes happen. Sometimes they're tragic.

Posted by: Andy at July 08, 2010 08:05 PM (Je7EH)

Yeah I guess your right, I mean who wouldn't mistake a glock .40 for a taser. They are almost Identical.

83

You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off.

I would, but I keep seeing those cheering throngs of black folks celebrating in the streets after OJ got off.

So some black criminal got removed from the gene pool. Guess I don't much care. Let 'em riot. They'll just fuck up their own shitty neighborhoods anyway.

Grant served two state prison terms for various felonies including a conviction for drug dealing.In 2007 he was sentenced to 16 months in state prison for fleeing "from a traffic stop while armed with a loaded pistol".

Oh, how nice. What a good family man. We sure will miss him.

During that incident, near his Hayward home, San Leandro police shot him with a Taser to subdue him after he threw the pistol into the air and ran.

The arresting officers testified that even after being Tased, Grant "continued to resist efforts of the officers to handcuff him".

Records at the main Alameda County Courthouse in Oakland indicate that Grant had 12 separate cases between April 12, 2004, and May 8, 2008. But the records for all of those cases are at the Hayward Hall of Justice and werenÂ’t immediately available.

84 I'm thinking that the action of taking the pistol off safe could have been automatic.  In a moment of panic, the cop could have mistaken the pistol for the taser.  I'd buy that, myself, and I'm no automatic defender of the gendarmerie.

85 Mehserle killed Nicole!!!!

86

I can see someone drawing the wrong weapon but taking the safety off and pointing it and aiming it should give someone a clue. I can buy the fact that he didn't mean to shoot the guy and maybe just threaten him but the taser story seems weak to me. I wasn't there though.

 

No manual safety on the Glock - if that's what Oakland uses.

 

TIme Traveller - My holster is an older model, and is not a retention holster.  Draws quickly without button-push, just like the taser does.

87 I can see someone drawing the wrong weapon but taking the safety off and pointing it and aiming it should give someone a clue.

Glocks don't have safeties (of course, neither do revolvers). Back to the ergonomic point, maybe if they were carrying a 1911 .45 "cocked and locked" the act of thumbing off the safety would've made him stop before he fired.

They should put the Taser on the weak-hand side of the rig (i.e., the left side for righthanded officers and vice-versa).

88 Oh my bad. Cleveland is going to burn tonight as well.

89 Man, if even Ace doesn't understand the difference between manslaughter and murder, then a riots we will go.

90 It seems like a tragic accident, obviously not the first to happen with a gun. The idea that he would murder this guy in cold blood, shooting him in the back purposely with so many witnesses seems far fetched. If it were just him and the victim on that train I suppose it could be argued it was done with intention to kill. I don't see it here.

91 OT:
Holy crap, will wonders never cease?  Bill O'Really finally figured out that Barry "insert middle name" Odumbstick is a far left idealouge.  Wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

92 Seriously, why isn't the California National Guard already in Oakland?  It's been a couple of hours since the verdict; everyone seems to be acting like a riot is inevitable.  Why not pre-empt the violence and put troops on the streets in advance?  Rioters know where they stand with local cops, but a bunch of crackas from Stockton with M-16s are a different story.

93 Glocks have no manual safety.Unless Ploice use a special model.

Posted by: steevy at July 08, 2010 08:10 PM (r6uF9)

I didn't know that. Maybe they should start.

94

They should put the Taser on the weak-hand side of the rig (i.e., the left side for righthanded officers and vice-versa).

 

They don't, because they want using the srong hand.  And like I wrote earlier, the holsters are inches apart on the rig.

95 Too bad the black community doesn't have a leader that esposes civil disobedience.  They throw around Dr. King's dream, but they forget that the goal was to get to a place where  people are judged by the content of their character.  Well, let's see the content of your character folks.

96 If there were a riot, should I watch it live or wait for it to come out on Netflix?

97 How many modern semi-auto pistols have manual safety mechanisms?  I mean, I don't own a glock, but I do have a springfield and that has a grip safety and a trigger safety, but no manual safety.  There's no "switching the gun off safe".  It's pick it up and grip it correctly and pull the trigger.

98 66 There's something wrong with people who cheer executions performed by government representatives.

Who in the hell is doing that?

Let go the race and rap sheet and geographic aspects. They count for nothing. This shooting is a tragedy.
The dead man behaved stupidly, but Officer Friendly is never your friend.

Yeah, every-time I watch COPS, I try to imagine most of the perps are middle-class, middle age white folks, somehow it does not work, wonder why?  Here is reality, crime in black neighborhoods is higher than in other neighborhoods, but lets play pretend because someone might get their feelings hurt.

99 80Wouldn't Oakland be better for a good burning?

Seems like it.  This tragic death isn't a rational justification for the race-pimps to instigate a riot in the name of "justice", but when have they listened to reason?    Damn them all. 

/Condolences and prayers for RiW.

100 I am a police detective with 11 years in patrol and 5 in a detective division.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 08:04 PM (zgZzy)

Thanks for doing what you do to keep the streets safe.

101 There's something wrong with people who cheer executions performed by government representatives.

There's something wrong with people who excuse lawlessness. A fair trial returned a verdict, and now people are trying to start a riot using their dislike of that verdict as an excuse.

And no one's cheering the thug's death. Not particularly broken up about it, not even all that concerned about it -- sure. But not cheering.

102 >>Yeah I guess your right, I mean who wouldn't mistake a glock .40 for a taser. They are almost Identical.

A piece of plastic with a trigger. I'd say they're pretty close cousins in the heat of the moment.

103 robtr, you don't know a lot about guns, do you?

104 The officer screwed up, but the verdict was just. An accidental killing that occurs without committing a felony or in the commission of another crime is either voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter. IOW, watch Oakland burn.

105 Oh my bad. Cleveland is going to burn tonight as well.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 08, 2010 08:13 PM (5Y41L

Yeah, look like he is headed to Miami.  Pretty weak if you ask me.  Tradition and legacy are secondary concerns these days.

Cleveland, NY or Chicago would have made better sense.

More power to him though.  No state income tax and living in Miami is pretty tempting.

106

"What is the value of a black mans life in America"

What is the value of a white woman's life among the black community in America?

Answer: Less than zero. They cheered when her murderer got off. And not just the ghetto rats in LA. They were cheering on college campuses, too.

Fuck this thug. I'm glad he's dead.

Rule of law? Whatever. President Wee Wee threw all that out, remember? Black Panthers may now stand outside of polling places while threatening and intimidating whitey.

These are the new rules. They voted these rules in at 90+% , so it's time to play by their rules.

It's all outcome based now, right? Well, I approve of the outcome, therefore I approve of as much leniency as possible. If I were on that jury I would have voted him not guilty.

107 I'm voting for Oakland to burn, not Cleveland. Is there a phone number for voting, like Dancing with The Stars?

108

These fancy pistols are the problem. All cops should carry Ruger Super Black Hawks low on the hip.

/jk

109 I can see someone drawing the wrong weapon but taking the safety off and pointing it and aiming it should give someone a clue.

Not all guns have safeties. My .45 will shoot so long as you have a good grip on it.

110 Holy crap, will wonders never cease?  Bill O'Really finally figured out that Barry "insert middle name" Odumbstick is a far left idealouge.  Wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 08, 2010 08:14 PM (JSghx)

Factor gear must have had a sales slump lately.

111  I don't own a glock, but I do have a springfield and that has a grip safety and a trigger safety, but no manual safety.  There's no "switching the gun off safe".  It's pick it up and grip it correctly and pull the trigger.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2010 08:14 PM (zQiqq)

All 4 of mine do, a colt.45 1911, a browning 9mm high power, a a walther p22 and ruger 22.

112 They just sentenced Lindsey Lohan for whore crimes. Isn't that enough?

113 A suggestion for the black folks that are constantly crying racism, or the MAN is responsible.  Want less crime?  Want cops to stop being more suspicious of you, than say old white granny?  Try raising your kids!  Try having some fathers in the house, see how that works out before you blame everyone else.  I mean even that pro-race-hustler Jesse Jackson admitted if he is walking down a dark city street and sees some young black guys approaching, he is automatically afraid, whereas if they are white guys he is not automatically afraid.

114

Thanks for doing what you do to keep the streets safe.

Thank you.  Best job in the world - until something like this happens.  Then you are universally hated because you have the same occupation as a guy who frakked up.

115 How did he miss his own foot?  That's what I want to know.

116 Cop fucked up with a deadly weapon.Wasn't even close to being the first,or even the 10,000 th.Soldiers have accidental discharges too.Petraeus was once hit by 3 rounds from a SAW that a soldier stripped incorrectly.

117 107 I'm voting for Oakland to burn, not Cleveland. Is there a phone number for voting, like Dancing with The Stars?

I'm voting Oakland over Cleveland, if only because more effort will be involved.  Cleveland could burn if someone tries to put out their cigarette in the Cuyahoga River again.

118 Any morons in the area ?

119 Oh my bad. Cleveland is going to burn tonight as well.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 08, 2010 08:13 PM (5Y41L)

On the bright side they could burn Detroit tonight and you wouldn't be able to tell one single difference come tomorrow.

120 Fucking sad. So the politicians are going to tell the cops to back off from dangerous situations now. Of course this will only encourage thugs to cause more problems. And back into the loop it goes; crime goes up and the the community wonders why the cops aren't doing enough.

It's just sad that a part of our country is so damaged that it can't course correct and join the rest of civilization.

121 I swear I saw Mehserle wearing my Bruno Maglis.

122 This is Darwinism working it's subtle magic once again. Sucks for the cop, gonna suck for the business owners in Oakland tonight. Too bad they couldn't've shot the dead thugs parents as well: you raised this monster, you deal with what you owe society. On the bright side, maybe the cops will shoot some more thugs tonight, and maybe the mob will burn all of Oaktown to the ground. Gotta root for a happy ending.

123

I'm not excusing this, because I wasn't there.  I am a police detective with 11 years in patrol and 5 in a detective division.  In Philly, our Tasers are on our rigs (gun belts) right next to our firearms.  We have had one or two officers grab for one and not the other - mostly because they are inches apart on the rig.

The officers didn't fire, of course, but I can see the Oakland officer's argument.  Again, I wasn't there, but if the Oakland PD usaes the same placement as Philly . . .

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 08:04 PM (zgZzy)

Officer Mehserle's Taser was placed to the left of his belt buckle; his gun was on his right hip.  He should not have been so confused by the placement that he reached for the wrong weapon simply on that basis.  He may have drawn his pistol because he thought Grant was reaching for a pistol (he said that he saw him reach for a pocket) or he may have drawn his pistol because he flat-out panicked and got fundamentally mixed-up between the two weapons: thinking "Taser" but reacting via muscle memory with "pistol."

The video doesn't support the idea that there was an immediate threat from a hostile crowd or even that the guys being apprehended were posing a physical threat to the BART cops. Of the four guys being detained, two are sitting, one is on his knees and the fourth -- Grant -- is on the ground face down with a BART cop kneeling on his neck.  Mehserle, instead of reaching in and handcuffing Grant, decided to stand up and draw a weapon: he either didn't have nearly enough training to deal with that situation or the training he got didn't stick through the stress of the situation.

124 On the bright side they could burn Detroit tonight and you wouldn't be able to tell one single difference come tomorrow.

Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 08:20 PM (t72+4)

You mean except for the vast improvement right?

125 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page.

Shit.

Prayers for a brother and his mother.

126

My buddy works for a hospital in Oakland....they've been prepping for riot for days.

127
Ted Kennedy's and Rick Sanchez's vehicles have killed more people than my Glock .40 has.

Too bad their cars didn't come with safeties.

128 One more step on the way to making BART about as safe to ride as wearing a Rolex in a crack house.

129 It's just sad that a part of our country is so damaged that it can't course correct and join the rest of civilization.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 08, 2010 08:20 PM (oL8lS)

I don't necessarily agree with that sentiment. I was a cop in a city of 350 thousand for 10 years and we were usually given the benefit of the doubt in situations where deadly force was authorized. Now, ask me about excessive force complaints.......This Oakland officer screwed up, but he was not malicious and got what I believed was justifiable punishment.

130

"If this is what we got to do "to tear up stores and such" then this is what we got to do. The streets are ours.  They should make me mayor because I am from the streets."  - KTVU interviewee

I love the man on the street interviews.  People are so stupid.  The people being interviewed and the reporters selecting the interviewees.  Sometimes I wonder if reporters put the stupidist people in the world up for comedic value.  But then I remember how stupid they are so probably not.

131 Jehu, I see your point. Why it's almost like the armed representatives of the state make the law a heavy burden on others while they exempt themselves from those laws.

132
On the bright side they could burn Detroit tonight and you wouldn't be able to tell one single difference come tomorrow.

Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 08:20 PM (t72+4)

You mean except for the vast improvement right?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 08, 2010 08:21 PM (0pYSi)

I mean hell, they've been filming the new Red Dawn remake there. Talk about saving money on set-pieces.

133

Officer Mehserle's Taser was placed to the left of his belt buckle; his gun was on his right hip.  He should not have been so confused by the placement that he reached for the wrong weapon simply on that basis. 

 

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate to counterbalance the commenters who want the officer hanged.  In Philly, the Glock and Taser are next to each other.  Didn't know if Oakland had the same system.

134
Seems like it.  This tragic death isn't a rational justification for the race-pimps to instigate a riot in the name of "justice", but when have they listened to reason?

I'm waiting for the Cincinnati race pimps to try to pump up the thugs; they got the riot they wanted in 2001.

Then again, maybe their influence is shot. When they tried to shakedown a local restaurateur, he turned tables on them by standing firm. He refused to serve O.J. Simpson, told "protesters" outside of one of his restaurants to get hosed, then partnered with Bootsy Collins to start another restaurant.

135

At this point I kinda think the verdict is a moot point -- it is what it is, and people are welcome to agree or disagree, form their own opinions as to what "really went down".

It's not good that a cop shot somebody like this -- I'm not at all feeling badly for the victim, as he was clearly scum -- next time it could be somebody who wasn't scum though.  That has to be kept in mind -- either more/better weapons training or a better placement of that tazer, or both.

At this point the main thing is the impending riot.  While I'm kinda siding with ol' Satan here (would be hilarious to see the lefties running, screaming to the "cop oppressors" for help and defense), by the same token, you know the good citizens will have to pay to clean up all this shit (if it happens, which seems likely) and it will be the shopkeepers and everyday Joes who will likely be hurt the most by this.  I'm kinda hoping the city comes down hard on the rioters, or just nips any riot in the bud...but I'm not holding my breathe.

And my condolences Russ.

136 132

I mean hell, they've been filming the new Red Dawn remake there. Talk about saving money on set-pieces.

That's what John Carpenter did to make Escape From New York... film it in a burned-out section of St. Louis that really did look like post-apocalypse NYC.  It comes across well on-screen as a result.

137 I mean hell, they've been filming the new Red Dawn remake there. Talk about saving money on set-pieces.

Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 08:24 PM (t72+4)

If it burns down it will make the transition to family farming easier. The crackheads can start their new career, milking cows.

138 The cop will do his time in solitary, get out, and then several Texas and Arizona police departments will offer him a job.  He made a mistake, a very costly one, but he will come out of this.

The thug he shot?  He won't be on the streets anymore.  I'm trying hard to come up with a modicum of sympathy for him, but I'm coming up empty.  When a person chooses to live a violent, law-breaking life, then they damned well have to accept that their life is going to end in a violent way.

And the rioting?  Should be met with extreme measures. 

139 Condolences to Russ and family .

140 So are we gonna have a Lebron thread and watch Cleveland burn?

141 I'm no friend of the police.  I have yet to meet a police officer who, in the end, didn't have real daddy issues and a power trip.  I'm sorry, your mileage may vary.

That said, I honestly believe this kid just flat fucked up.  It's not even involuntary manslaughter, but probably whatever California's version of negligent homicide is.  18 months, tops.

142


Anything short of this cop getting the gas chamber and getting raped in the squeekhole every night at Pelican Bay by a New Black Panther until that date and you would still have had riots.

143 I was in Oakland last year. The cops there have labels on their chests, "Goodwill Ambassadors." For all the good will, some street freak gunned down 4 or 5 of them not long afterwards. Where were all the calls for "justice" then?

144

Why it's almost like the armed representatives of the state make the law a heavy burden on others while they exempt themselves from those laws.

 

I know!  For every innocent civilian I harass, I get a coupon for $10 off at my local Stuckey's!  It's teh awesome!

145 "What is the value of a black mans life in America"

Same as anyone else's life, no more than what they make of it.

Homey shoulda watched this PSA from Chris Rock...

146 Posted by: Intrepid at July 08, 2010 08:26 PM (92zkk)

I agree, with the exception that the Officer should never be in Law Enforcement the rest of his life. He can try sales or truck driving, construction.

147 So are we gonna have a Lebron thread and watch Cleveland burn?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 08, 2010 08:27 PM (U5btG)

I saw in an earlier thread that you dislike the Knicks (Dolan). 

How bout the Nets and their Russian owner?

148 Why it's almost like the armed representatives of the state make the law a heavy burden on others while they exempt themselves from those laws.

You're missing the part where the officer was tried and found guilty, right? Because that's what happened.

It's almost as if cop-haters ignore the facts in order to get their hate on.

149 Meanwhile in San Fran Crazy, the sale of pets will no longer be allowed.

I, for one, welcome our kitteh and puppeh masters.  The gerbils and hamsters?  Not so much.

150

And another question--how much stimulus money will be allotted to rebuild Oakland (and/or Cleveland) after they burn tonight?

151 dr Kill 131 Jehu, I see your point. Why it's almost like the armed representatives of the state make the law a heavy burden on others while they exempt themselves from those laws.

Armed representatives of the state?   I get your point too, see you at the next World Trade Conference or G20, lets burn something baby!

152 Who aire ewe!?!

153 Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 08, 2010 08:29 PM (5Y41L)

As Ohioans, I think we can agree that burning Cleveland would be an improvement.

154
I'm no friend of the police.  I have yet to meet a police officer who, in the end, didn't have real daddy issues and a power trip.  I'm sorry, your mileage may vary.



Herr, sorry to hear that, your moron stock just took a really big hit with me with that statement. Maybe you should open up the windows a little bit when your putting your life on the line going over the books at an insurance company.

155 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 08:27 PM (rbfTh)

Some of us were assholes as rookies until we got our asses beat and got shot at. We/I grew up afterward and quit the power trip early in my/our career.

156 141 I'm no friend of the police. I have yet to meet a police officer who, in the end, didn't have real daddy issues and a power trip. I do have to admit to a real bad taste in my mouth after an encounter with a cop in Southbury, CT that stopped me for the High Crime and Misdemeanor of taking a Right on Red at an intersection inexplicably labeled "No Turn On Red." He eventually led me go without a ticket, but not after browbeating and berating me like I was a child molester or something. Jeesh, a lousy right on red when NO ONE was coming down the road. I guess he must have been fed stale doughnuts by the local Dunkin' Doughnuts?

157 Riots would be a lot more entertaining if the rioters got the shit beat out of them. Hopefully, one of those shop owners has some big relatives who don't feel like putting up with their shit and whomp some ass.

158 Don't burn me bro!

159

And another question--how much stimulus money will be allotted to rebuild Oakland (and/or Cleveland) after they burn tonight?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 08, 2010 08:29 PM (5Y41L)

Barbara Boxer will claim it's a jobs program.

160 As Ohioans, I think we can agree that burning Cleveland would be an improvement.

Burning Cleveland is a duty.

161 From the video.. looks like an accident to me.

Let them riot.  They ruin their own neighborhoods .... not exactly  the brightest bulbs.

162 147 That Prokhorov(sic?) has to be in tight with the gangsters running Russia to make the kind of scratch he made.Bet he is exKGB too.

163 People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?

164 Hopefully, one of those shop owners has some big relatives who don't feel like putting up with their shit and whomp some ass.

Or some ammo left over from Rodney King.

165

I think we can agree that burning Cleveland would be an improvement

It's a good start.

Although the same could be said about the Nati at this point.

Any reason why we were just granted $25 million to fund the choo-choo train to go into that shitstain of Over-the-Rhine? Oh right, Hamilton County went for Teh Wun in 2008.

the fuck?

Why do they even think people will want to ride around the City with a bunch of ho's and hobo's urinating on themselves?

166 Here is what Oakland police officers have to face. (I wrote this -- it was published on the Wall Street Journal's opinion page back in December 1993.)

This year, Oakland, Calif., was named an All-American City by the National Civic League. City officials worked long and hard to win this designation, and it's the source of considerable civic pride. Mayor Elihu Harris will tell you that one of his proudest moments in office was accepting that award.

And on the city's police department short-list for 1993 Officer of the Year is William Grijalva. If he wins, someone else will be accepting the award for him at the ceremony. The 19-year department veteran was killed in the line of duty Dec. 15.

The previous day, the police department's animal control section -- our modern version of the town dogcatcher -- had attempted to pick up Chewy, a pit bull that belonged to Luke Grinage, age 21. Chewy had bitten a neighbor and, since his rabies vaccinations had expired, the law requires quarantine. Mr. Grinage refused to turn his dog over to the officers.

When they returned the next day, Mr. Grinage stood firm. The officers called for backup; Officer Grijalva was one of the officers who responded. As Mr. Grinage still refused to relinquish the dog, the officers tried to arrest him. When he resisted, they used Mace to subdue him. But as they tried to handcuff him, he broke free and ran into his house.

Officer Grijalva chased after him, not realizing that Mr. Grinage had picked up a shotgun that was just inside the front door. The first blast caught Officer Grijalva in his side and spun him around; the second blast hit him in the buttocks.

Officer Grijalva then drew his gun and managed to return fire, as did one of the other officers. Caught in the cross-fire was Mr. Grinage's father, Rafael, who was sitting in a wheelchair just inside the front door. Both father and son were fatally wounded; reports confirm that Rafael was killed by a police round, possibly fired by the dying Officer Grijalva.

There you have it: three men killed senselessly. Once upon a time, the community's reaction would have been predictable: There would have been sympathy for the cop's widow and two children, an outpouring of grief for the fallen officer -- a past departmental winner of a medal of valor for saving a disabled person in a house fire. Today, the community's reaction is just as predictable: outrage that the supposedly insensitive and confrontational style of the Oakland police led to the death of an innocent, wheelchair-bound man.

Certainly the cops shouldn't have shot him. But that "shouldn't have" is at the end of a long trail of "shouldn't haves" that leads back to the pathetic origins of this incident.

Luke Grinage shouldn't have picked up a shotgun and opened fire on the police -- putting his own disabled father in peril. Or pulled away from officers who had the right and the duty to handcuff him. Or refused to turn his dog over to animal control officers for quarantine. Or allowed his dog to bite other residents of the neighborhood. Rafael Grinage, Luke's father, shouldn't have let his son grow up without any respect for the police, or for human life itself. The city of Oakland shouldn't have tolerated the gradual development of a culture of hatred toward the police.

As a consequence of this toleration, there exists a segment of America's population that has no concept of the rule of law or social order -- it regards the police as an implacable enemy.

The Oakland police department was once noted for its excessive vigor in enforcing the law. (My own father, a public school teacher at Oakland High until his retirement, was once beaten by Oakland police officers at a school board meeting when a peaceful demonstration turned ugly.) Under the prodding of responsible community leaders over the past 25 years, the city has been successful in reforming the police department. Now the department is composed of, for the most part, highly professional officers like Officer Grijalva who serve a cynical community.

Oakland can garner as many awards as its city hall can hold, but it will continue to be racked by violence, drugs and murder unless its elected officials and community leaders stand up and give true support to their police department. Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders has it backward: Violent crime has become the root cause of poverty and economic decline in cities like Oakland, and not the other way around. Oakland -- all of America -- needs to rebuild a culture of civility and social responsibility. And a good place to start is to teach its young people to respect and obey police officers.

Congress is preparing to pass a bill to put an additional 100,000 cops on the street, and Oakland is hoping to get its fair share of them. Let's pray that they meet a better fate than did Officer Grijalva.

167 162 147 That Prokhorov(sic?) has to be in tight with the gangsters running Russia to make the kind of scratch he made.Bet he is exKGB too.

That only makes him slightly less of a scumbag than Clippers owner Donald Sterling then, IMHO.

168 Drudge:  CA SAME SEX RULING 6 PM PT.

Should be interesting to see what happens when the ghey rioters meet the thug rioters.

169 Too bad he only shot one thug..

170

It seems light. But I'm guessing the guy testified about his fatal error and came across as truthful.

Ace

Seems excessive to me, and politically motivated at that. I don't think he should have been charged.

171 Maybe you should open up the windows a little bit when your putting your life on the line going over the books at an insurance company.

You a cop, Blazer?  That's fine.  I haven't met you. 

And you haven't A) Stalked my wife  B) Harrassed an 11 year old kid at Boy Scout Camp calling him a liar and creating a lifelong "fuck you asshole" complex in a now-grown man  C)Called me a motherfucker in front of my kids.

And when you've got the stones to clean a running corn picker, let me know.  "Life on the line"....  Bullshit.  Coming in in the bottom 25 of occupations as far as danger goes.

I love ya bro, and I knew that I was gonna take shit for that comment, but maybe you can learn that there are two sides to every transaction, and the cops aren't always right just gecause they get to write the history.

172 I saw in an earlier thread that you dislike the Knicks (Dolan). How bout the Nets and their Russian owner? Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 08, 2010 08:28 PM (0pYSi) I did till they decided to move to Brooklyn or as we call it now, Little Russia

173

I do have to admit to a real bad taste in my mouth after an encounter with a cop in Southbury, CT that stopped me for the High Crime and Misdemeanor of taking a Right on Red at an intersection inexplicably labeled "No Turn On Red."

I got a ticket a few weeks ago for having a cracked wind shield.  50 bucks and a point off my license.  Needless to say, I was pissed.

I can't say I have much love for petty bureaucrats with guns, aka tax collectors for the welfare state.  This particular cop was a total dick as well.  Would have thought he had caught me robbing a bank.

That said, I have alot of respect for detectives and cops who deal daily with degenerate scum.  I know I couldn't handle it.

174 138 The cop will do his time in solitary, get out, and then several Texas and Arizona police departments will offer him a job.  He made a mistake, a very costly one, but he will come out of this.


Yeah those redneck police departments in AZ and TX can't wait to recruit screw-ups, maybe get them to kill some illegals, all by accident wink, wink!  This guys is ruined, his life is ruined, he made a mistake, and that is what it was, a mistake.  Apparently he did not have the temperament to be a cop.  I mean what do we pay cops?  40K or 50K to start, and we demand they be perfect robots, never take all the shit they get personally, yeah, I think they are overpaid, you can find androids of perfection by the millions, it should be a minimum wage job.

175

141 I'm no friend of the police.  I have yet to meet a police officer who, in the end, didn't have real daddy issues and a power trip.  I'm sorry, your mileage may vary.

 

Like any profession, we have our share of idiots.  I post about the moron cops I have to deal with all the time on my blog.  I can only speak for me:

* 16 years - 10 of which were in African-American and Latino neighborhoods.

*  Internal Affairs complaints?  0.  Zero.

* Times I pulled out my gun (and intended to shoot)? - 1.  (I didn't, but I would have been justified.  The thug was raping a woman.  My partner and I wrestled him off her without using lethal force.

176
I do have to admit to a real bad taste in my mouth after an encounter with a cop in Southbury, CT that stopped me for the High Crime and Misdemeanor of taking a Right on Red at an intersection inexplicably labeled "No Turn On Red."

I got a ticket once for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign in a residential neighborhood when there was  no other car in sight. The best part? My house was  just two houses from the corner where the stop sign is and that's where i pulled over. Even though the cop saw that we were right in front of my house, he still gave me the ticket.

177 They're having a Tea Party in Oakland?  Why wasn't I invited?

178 He eventually led me go without a ticket, but not after browbeating and berating me like I was a child molester or something. Jeesh, a lousy right on red when NO ONE was coming down the road.

I guess he must have been fed stale doughnuts by the local Dunkin' Doughnuts?

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 08, 2010 08:31 PM (tJjm/)

I had been a city cop for 8 years when I got pulled over by a rookie Highway Patrolman on our interstate for doing 65 in a 55. When he came up to me, I showed him my badge and he began to lecture me about speeding. I then proceeded to tell him that you either write me a fucking ticket or let me go. Do not lecture me about speeding, especially when the limits went up a week later. That's what you should tell the officer. If you feel you do not need a lecture then advise him of that.

179 Mehserle, instead of reaching in and handcuffing Grant, decided to stand up and draw a weapon: he either didn't have nearly enough training to deal with that situation or the training he got didn't stick through the stress of the situation.

Bingo!

180

Should be interesting to see what happens when the ghey rioters meet the thug rioters.

Perhaps it will be like West Side Story.   You think there will be dance-offs??

181 I did till they decided to move to Brooklyn or as we call it now, Little Russia

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 08, 2010 08:35 PM (U5btG)

Yeah but now Jay Z will be better able to attend all of the games. 

182

The news media wants the riot so bad so I think there will be no riot.  Maybe the situation will change after dark.

Police are ready to roll and Arnold told the Oakland Mayor that the State is ready to step in and backup the city.

183 * Times I pulled out my gun (and intended to shoot)? - 1.  (I didn't, but I would have been justified.  The thug was raping a woman.  My partner and I wrestled him off her without using lethal force.

That, sir, is some admirable restraint.  Not sure I would have been able to do the same.

184 I predict flying monkeys, worm sign and poo flinging the likes of which Stilgar (and God) has never seen.

A good opportunity to warm up the belt feds is to be had.  Execute 'em, honey bunny.

185 Cop morons, I'm really not trying to tar you, and please don't take it personally, really.

But the number of absolute assholes in your profession is high and rising.  I guess I can understand why, but it doesn't matter when you are disrespecting my wife and my family.

You're still higher on the scale than prosecutors, though, of course.

186 If I were queen for a day, here's what I would do.....I would let all the rioters know that if they burn their city down, they will live in the ashes.   No money to rebuild.

I would also hand out maps to the agitators house and tell everyone that evil, rich white people live there and they need to be shown a 'lesson'.

I'm serious about the second thing...I would totally do that.

187 Yeah but now Jay Z will be better able to attend all of the games. Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 08, 2010 08:37 PM (0pYSi) Yeah but I live in NJ so fuck that shit. Hell I'm a baseball fan anyway. Go Yankees.

188 * Times I pulled out my gun (and intended to shoot)? - 1.  (I didn't, but I would have been justified.  The thug was raping a woman.  My partner and I wrestled him off her without using lethal force.

Only once, in 1995.

189 Well, are they rioting or not? Does anyone have a link to a live feed?

190 And the thugging begins.

Fucked up age we live in. One woman took a header and was on the ground while a big crowd stood around taking cell phone pix.

191

Like any profession, we have our share of idiots.  I post about the moron cops I have to deal with all the time on my blog.  I can only speak for me:

* 16 years - 10 of which were in African-American and Latino neighborhoods.

*  Internal Affairs complaints?  0.  Zero.

* Times I pulled out my gun (and intended to shoot)? - 1.  (I didn't, but I would have been justified.  The thug was raping a woman.  My partner and I wrestled him off her without using lethal force.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 08:35 PM (zgZzy)

Not bad...not bad.

You failed to list Denver Bronco Fan on your list.  My personal favorite.

192

That, sir, is some admirable restraint.  Not sure I would have been able to do the same.

Thanks, but it was more fear than anything else.  Didn't want to go through what this Oakland officer is going through right now.  That's the problem - at least in Philly - we hesitate all too often because the city wants us to do so. 

The result?  7 murdered Philly officers in a two-year span between 2007 and 2009.

193 http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=7544444

194 but I live in NJ so fuck that shit. Hell I'm a baseball fan anyway. Go Yankees.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 08, 2010 08:39 PM (U5btG

Go Yankees when they are playing the Douche Sox.  Otherwise, go Rockies.

195 And you haven't A) Stalked my wife  B) Harrassed an 11 year old kid at Boy Scout Camp calling him a liar and creating a lifelong "fuck you asshole" complex in a now-grown man  C)Called me a motherfucker in front of my kids.

And when you've got the stones to clean a running corn picker, let me know.  "Life on the line"....  Bullshit.  Coming in in the bottom 25 of occupations as far as danger goes.

I love ya bro, and I knew that I was gonna take shit for that comment, but maybe you can learn that there are two sides to every transaction, and the cops aren't always right just gecause they get to write the history.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 08:35 PM (rbfTh)

Herr, I feel ya' and you are like a bro and one of my favorite morons, but there's no need to paint with a broad brush every single law enforcement officer because of a few bad experiences from one. This is exactly what we bitch about day to day with our conservative detractors in the MFM and leftards concerning one conservative who decides to make an ass of himself.

As one who has had a bad experience a time or two with the police, been to jail on numerous occasions and by the grace of God avoided being a felon myself due to bad decisions made in my youth, 99.9 % of law enforcement officers are the good guys and on our side.

I doubt this gang-banger would have ever grown to see that.

196 And you haven't A) Stalked my wife  B) Harrassed an 11 year old kid at Boy Scout Camp calling him a liar and creating a lifelong "fuck you asshole" complex in a now-grown man  C)Called me a motherfucker in front of my kids.

And when you've got the stones to clean a running corn picker, let me know.  "Life on the line"....  Bullshit.  Coming in in the bottom 25 of occupations as far as danger goes.

I love ya bro, and I knew that I was gonna take shit for that comment, but maybe you can learn that there are two sides to every transaction, and the cops aren't always right just gecause they get to write the history.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 08:35 PM (rbfTh)

Complain to Internal Affairs? Sounded like his ass should have been punished in the professional standards arena.

197 (would be hilarious to see the lefties running, screaming to the "cop oppressors" for help and defense)

Would be more hilarious if the cops just stood there and watched, a la Toronto two weekends ago.

For all the good will, some street freak gunned down 4 or 5 of them not long afterwards.

I'd forgotten all about that.

198 7 murdered Philly officers in a two-year span between 2007 and 2009.

If you're justified, and you have to, drop the cocksucker, lose your job and open a fucking dry cleaning business.

199

You failed to list Denver Bronco Fan on your list.  My personal favorite.

How could I forget that?  My 9-year old son's friend came over the other day and saw the man cave.  He said, "You like Elway?  He's AWESOME!"

 

I wanted to adopt him.

200 "I know!  For every innocent civilian I harass, I get a coupon for $10 off at my local Stuckey's!  It's teh awesome!"

*snort*  Wyatt, thanks for the snicker, and for all you do and sacrifice to keep the streets safe in your city. 

201 "193 http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=7544444 Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 08, 2010 08:41 PM (oL8lS)" Thanks.

202

Although the same could be said about the Nati at this point.

Sadly true.

203 I think this one deserves a riot.

204 Probably was a mistake but that doesn't mean the sentence was light.  It was.  Joe citizen would not be let off like that. Personally I think they are getting a little quick with the tasers too.

205

How could I forget that?  My 9-year old son's friend came over the other day and saw the man cave.  He said, "You like Elway?  He's AWESOME!"

 

I wanted to adopt him.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 08:42 PM (zgZzy

Nice.  And despite making light of your record to pimp the Broncos, let me say now that it's impressive.

206 I wonder if riding the BART trains is going to be less safe now that officers know they might face a murder charge if they make a good faith mistake in the use of deadly force.   We can't expect these guys to protect us if we make the rules of engagement to the detriment of the officers.

207 CA SAME SEX RULING 6 PM PT. Should be interesting to see what happens when the ghey rioters meet the thug rioters. Fabulous!

208

7 murdered Philly officers in a two-year span between 2007 and 2009.

7 murdered cops = shoot people on the ground while arresting them for routine shit?

209 Blazer, I lost my job several years ago because I couldn't go to work.  Money was tight, so we lost our house.

I was in jail on a Domestic Violence charge.  The alleged victim was Frau, and the police, the judge, and the prosecutor refused to listen to her.

Six months later, after forced separation from my family, at trial, the judge heard the facts.He proceeded to tell me that the charge was bullshit, and granted the defense motion for acquittal after the government's case in chief.  We didn't mount a defense because we didn't have to.

The police officer lied on the stand, he had gone around our small town calling her a whore and me a wife-beater.

We have not completely financially recovered.

Don't look for sympathy for a man like that from me, and you are goddamned right that it tars every one of them.

210

If you're justified, and you have to, drop the cocksucker, lose your job and open a fucking dry cleaning business.

 

Starches are bad for my cholesterol count.

211 Oakland is right across the Bay from where I live.  I'll be watching for the orange glow.
And I love how some businesses think putting a poster of Grant up in their window will save them.  They'll be looted like everyone else.  During the Rodney King riots, stores put "BLACK OWNED BUSINESS" signs up.  Looted and burned.  The Koreans went up on the roofs with AR-15s and they weren't looted and burned.  There may be a lesson to be learned there.

212

My godfather (and my dad's best friend since childhood) was a cop.  A decorated Marine with the 1/5 , an honor guard at the Tomb of the Unknown,  and a good cop (gave up a pro football career to be in the Marines and be a cop; Giants scouted him); the sort of cop that patrolled his beat on foot sometimes -- got to know the people, looked out for the law abiding ones.

One day, when he was home for lunch he heard that a neighborhood bank was getting robbed....so he jumped up, grabbed his holster, and took off around the corner to the bank (probably should have waited for back up but he was not the type of person to hang around and wait for back up when he thought his people, his neighborhood was in trouble).

He disrupted the robbery and chased the robbers...and he got shot in the chest.  Managed to kill one and wound the other before he died.  The suspects were reported to be either members or affiliated with the Black Panthers, based on testimony from the bank patrons and employees...and because of "racial solidarity against the Man" the people in the neighborhood refused to be forthcoming with any tip offs that might have led to their whereabouts.

Some cops are crap, but some aren't -- but thugs and those who would support them?  They are always shit.

213 Wyatt and others in lawr enforcement have my respect.  City streets are so full of teh stoopid that were I in their situation I would be cracking idjits in the head with my nightstick for minor infractions.

214 By the way, I know this is mostly tongue-in-cheek, but wishing for riots?  The only ones hurt will not be the rioters, it will be the responsible small-business owners, or innocent drivers dragged out of their cars and beaten or killed.  If we had any remnants of authority left in this country an order would go out that rioters will be shot on sight...end of riots before they begin.  But we cannot even defend our borders, let alone the innocent.  Because of political correctness cops stood around crying as they watched on T.V. as Reginald Denny was dragged from his truck and his head smashed with Bricks in the Rodney King riots.  All because authority has been ruined by political correctness in this country. 

215 You know, I'm thinking about some sort of "Admirable Restraint" medal for our nation's police forces. My good buddies in the Pentagon say they have something like that in NATO or AYSO or whatever it's called, and it's dandy for morale. Well, back to the putting green. Can't put off duty forever.

216 209 Shit man,that was a 1 in a million bad cop.

217

You know what's a good idea?  Allowing and even promoting lack of respect for authority.   Do it from childhood up.  Take fathers from homes. Mothers get your money from the government.  Trot a half dozens boybriends through your home and bed during the formative years of your kids.  Don't allow spankings. Let the government take care of it.  Don't enforce discepine in schools, either.  Its a wonder we don't have more incedents like this. 

 

218
I hope there are loads Asian grocery store owners sitting on their rooftops with semi-auto weapons,  ammo and snacks.

Lock and load!

219 Probably was a mistake but that doesn't mean the sentence was light.  It was.  Joe citizen would not be let off like that.

Bullshit, he was rightly convicted of the charge against him.


 Personally I think they are getting a little quick with the tasers too.

Yes, you are right there. I never had a taser, and when a suspect became unruly, it was usually "go-time". I cannot count the number of fights I got into on the streets. Sometimes, the physical shit is necessary.

220

7 murdered cops = shoot people on the ground while arresting them for routine shit?

 

Nope, not at all.  Never fired my gun - except on the pistol range.  Just makes me wonder if the officers we lost hesitated because they worried about the blowback.

221 Shit man,that was a 1 in a million bad cop.

God does not play dice with the Cosmos.

222

if they make a good faith mistake in the use of deadly force. 

Accidentally using deadly force = 'good faith mistake in the use of deadly force'.

Spin master class.

I hope we don't make any "good faith mistakes" with our nukes.

Woops, did I just incinerate Glasgow? I thought that was the buzzer for my secretary to bring me coffee. Oh, we'll laugh about this in a few years.

223 On the one hand, I certainly hope that I haven't lost the respect of our various LEO morons.

On the other hand, I don't really give a fuck, because they've gotta  know that there is another side to every transaction.

224

Some cops are crap, but some aren't -- but thugs and those who would support them?  They are always shit.

Posted by: unknown jane at July 08, 2010 08:48 PM (5/yRG)

Good point.  Thanks for that post.  Sounds like a good man.

225 Blazer, I lost my job several years ago because I couldn't go to work.  Money was tight, so we lost our house.

I was in jail on a Domestic Violence charge.  The alleged victim was Frau, and the police, the judge, and the prosecutor refused to listen to her.

Six months later, after forced separation from my family, at trial, the judge heard the facts.He proceeded to tell me that the charge was bullshit, and granted the defense motion for acquittal after the government's case in chief.  We didn't mount a defense because we didn't have to.

The police officer lied on the stand, he had gone around our small town calling her a whore and me a wife-beater.

We have not completely financially recovered.

Don't look for sympathy for a man like that from me, and you are goddamned right that it tars every one of them.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 08:47 PM (rbfTh)

Herr, I feel your pain, but for every soldier that would throw a puppy off a cliff there's a thousand that would kick the ever loving shit out of his ass and break every bone in his body for doing so.

226 219 Stop letting women and little tiny guys on the force and maybe they wont need tasers.Back in the day a big ,burly Irish cop only needed his club and his fists to get respect.

227

Nope, not at all.  Never fired my gun - except on the pistol range.  Just makes me wonder if the officers we lost hesitated because they worried about the blowback.

The blowback from shooting unarmed people who are lying on the ground being held by 2 other cops? That blowback?

228 You know what's a good idea?  Allowing and even promoting lack of respect for authority.   Do it from childhood up.

Like pulling an 11 year old kid out of Boy Scout line up, calling him a liar and a tent-slasher and a thief in front of 400 kids when he hasn't done a damn thing wrong?  Like that?

That was me.

229 209 Shit man,that was a 1 in a million bad cop.

Posted by: steevy at July 08, 2010 08:49 PM (r6uF9)

I like having the police, we need them and most of them do fine work. Someone very, very close to me along with 9 other girls had a very, very bad experience with a highway patrolman. It was national news and he went to jail.

I like that we have them and we need them but they have their share of idiots and crimminals just like the rest of society does. Because I like having them and realize the need I don't automatically trust them.

230

TIme Traveller - My holster is an older model, and is not a retention holster.  Draws quickly without button-push, just like the taser does.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp

I use a Blackhawk CQC retention holster, and I can draw quicker than with my old IWB non-retention one.

I also carry a Glock 21, which had only the "Safe Action" safety, which in the heat of the moment means basically no safety at all.  Which is why I switched to the CQC... to draw you have to depress the release and the drawing motion automatically places your booger hook along the frame, instead of on the Bang Switch.  So you have to make a conscious decision to put it on the trigger.

There's been many times I've seen LEOs with their sidearm and taser on the same side and thought, "That's a recipe for disaster.  If I were him/her I'd go cross-draw on the taser and practice 'til I was proficient at drawing it from that position."

It sucks for the cop that he shot the REPEAT OFFENDING SCUMBAG, but the scumbag brought it on himself.  I won't shed any tears for him or the family that allowed him to grow up to be a scumbag.

Just so's ya know, I'm not just some Gun Geek spouting off, I'm a former MP Gun Geek spouting off.

231 Long time lurker and AoS moron. Some of you Internet Capt. Kilgores need to STFU with the "let Oakland burn to the ground" and "nuke it from the orbit" bullshit. Yeah it's a shithole but not everyone here are fucking savages and beasts. There are decent, hard-working people here who have come to accept the danger of living in Oakland and just want to live and to work and to be left alone. Those people include my family. Not everyone is able to move and not all of Oakland is a lost cause. East and North Oakland are actually quite habitable. West Oakland does need to be depopulated, but naturally like Detroit, not by fire and metal. For people who claim to be adherents to the rule of law, some of you seem awfully cavalier about "collateral" damage right here in the US. If this sort of rioting happened in Iraq or Afghanistan would you advocate dropping napalms on the whole village? If so, fuck you. You're no Conservative and you are no ideological ally of mine.

232

Woops, did I just incinerate Glasgow? I thought that was the buzzer for my secretary to bring me coffee. Oh, we'll laugh about this in a few years.

Posted by: Entropy at July 08, 2010 08:50 PM (eL+YD)

Some people would miss Glasgow... not sure who, but there must be someone? The guy who was shot isn't the sort anyone would miss if he got run over by a bus, and I don't see him suddenly being a better person because a cop shot him!

233
God does not play dice with the Cosmos.

Which implies you got what you deserve. I don't think that's what you mean.

234 Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 08:52 PM (t72+4)

At which office do I report to get my house, my credit rating, and my self-respect back?

235 Don't look for sympathy for a man like that from me, and you are goddamned right that it tars every one of them.

Your problem is no longer that cop, it is your own unforgiving spirit.  I mean if a guy that owned a gas station did this to you would you stop buying gas at any station?   The actions of a few do not tar all in the group, you had an experience from a rogue cop, that makes all cops rogue?  I think you are smarter than that.

236 On the one hand, I certainly hope that I haven't lost the respect of our various LEO morons.

On the other hand, I don't really give a fuck, because they've gotta  know that there is another side to every transaction.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 08:52 PM (rbfTh)

There is bad cops. I've known three in my career that committed felonies. The other one's I knew who were bad were just incompetent and stupid. Just like any profession.

237

The blowback from shooting unarmed people who are lying on the ground being held by 2 other cops? That blowback?

 

I was talking about the murdered officers in Philly, not the Oakland officer!  Thought I made that clear.

238

The blowback from shooting unarmed people who are lying on the ground being held by 2 other cops? That blowback?

Um, are you even bothering to read what you're responding to? Or are you running on fast-twitch nerves?

239 God does not play dice with the Cosmos.

Which implies you got what you deserve. I don't think that's what you mean.

By which I mean that it was not mere bad luck, but the inevitable result of so many asshole young men being given guns and badges.

240 I personally feel the verdict was fair , but being close to Oakland it wouldn't have mattered if they found him guilty of murder in the first degree and executed him on the spot. They have been itching for a fight.They are gathering in large numbers right now. Yeah maybe they are disappointed but I think it is more about the atmosphere Obama has created . He has set racial relations back 40 years. Yes he won but this idea in some Blacks that that gives them carte blanche to do anything they want because they won is scary. Believe me that belief exists in many Black  people I have encountered.

241 Nope, not at all.  Never fired my gun - except on the pistol range.

Lucky you.

242 231 Morons can be glib like that.They don't mean nothing by it.I stay away from such remarks myself.

243 We are in for a repeat of the. OJ Simpson riots.... what? I though.this was about Justice?

244
Long time lurker and AoS moron. Some of you Internet Capt. Kilgores need to STFU with the "let Oakland burn to the ground" and "nuke it from the orbit" bullshit.
Posted by: Tim in Oakland at July 08, 2010 08:54 PM (DQjJA)




Looks like the new Lt. don't like the cornbread either.

245 but the inevitable result of so many asshole young men

What about us?

246 Your problem is no longer that cop, it is your own unforgiving spirit.

My house please.  Thanks.

247

Lucky you.

Don't think I don't know it.  I'd like to do another 20 with the Glock in my holster.  As a detective, the chances of that are much greater now, thank God.

248
Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 08:52 PM (t72+4)

At which office do I report to get my house, my credit rating, and my self-respect back?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 08:55 PM (rbfTh)

The office of moving on and picking yourself up by the bootstraps man.

249 As conservatives,we all know mankind is imperfect and imperfectable(in this world).Which is why all authority must have checks and balances placed against it.

250 CA SAME SEX RULING 6 PM PT.

Should be interesting to see what happens when the ghey rioters meet the thug rioters.

Fabulous!

Posted by: George Orwell at July 08, 2010 08:46 PM (AZGON)

The day that the Clinton Administration announced its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, there were riots in the streets of San Francisco over Clinton's betrayal of his promise to integrate gays into the military.  It was the same day that Vince Foster turned up dead.  Makes for one weird conspiracy theory, doesn't it?

251 Tim in Oakland I'm tired of hearing California should burn to the ground to. I've lived here my whole life. There are Conservatives here. That being said, why is it if a particular race feels they either love or hate something that happens that they should celebrate/riot. Yeah I'm talking about sports results also. Something is terribly wrong here.

252 And I pushed for perjury charges against the cop.  The judge told the cop he was lying, and everyone knew it.  The prosecutor suborned perjury with another witness.  The witness admitted it.

I haven't financially recovered.  They got overtime.

253 Looks like the new Lt. don't like the cornbread either. Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 08:58 PM (t72+4) Witty interweb retort - FAIL I always did skip right over your comments.

254 Some of the anxiety over a potential riot has to do with my middle name. I'm sure there are other factors. Ask Robert Gibbs. He's down at the pro shop, polishing my club. Clubs.

255

News: LeBron holds a one hour special on ESPN.

Views: Global "Icons" have jumped the shark  And possibly the sports world in general.

256 The office of moving on and picking yourself up by the bootstraps man.

And I have.  That doesn't have a fucking thing to with looking at every cop I pass with a good dose of the stink-eye.

257 Hostile tonight.Is it the heat?The Miami Heat??

258 I always did skip right over your comments.

Posted by: Tim in Oakland at July 08, 2010 09:02 PM (DQjJA)

I've read both of yours with rapt attention.

259
By which I mean that it was not mere bad luck, but the inevitable result of so many asshole young men being given guns and badges.

Which is bullshit. You had some horrible experiences, so you've decided an entire class of people -- who put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us -- are subhuman. They're people, good and bad.

260

Burn, baby, burn!!!

Kill whitey!!!!

Wut?

Oh shit, sorry!

261
Witty interweb retort - FAIL

I always did skip right over your comments.

Posted by: Tim in Oakland at July 08, 2010 09:02 PM (DQjJA)

Right, and you replying to one is certainly proof of that.

262 Another thing that bugs me. Why do the "leaders" come out and say things that they know will incite riots?Just wondering.

263

You know what's a good idea?  Allowing and even promoting lack of respect for authority. 

You know what fosters lack of respect for authority? Unenforceable laws, using cops and law enforcement to generate revenue for the city, militarizing the law enforcement and putting them all in black nazi suits and starwars stormtrooper getups, hassling law abiding citizens with tedious bullshit giving them seatbelt tickets while serious criminals deal drugs 2 blocks away with impugnity, and... oh yeah, executing people in broad daylight probably doesn't help.

264

I think the thing with cops is that there are good ones and bad ones but any of them can go from zero to dick in five seconds.  Why?  Because they can.

I guess that this might have gone down different in Boston, the cameraman would have gone to jail for wiretapping.

 

265 The day that the Clinton Administration announced its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, there were riots in the streets of San Francisco over Clinton's betrayal of his promise to integrate gays into the military. It was the same day that Vince Foster turned up dead. Wait... so you're saying Vince Foster was in the closet with some gay mafia who offed him, and the orders came from... yes, it all fits. The Greys. I'm calling George Noory right now.

266  Hostile tonight.Is it the heat?The Miami Heat??

Posted by: steevy at July 08, 2010 09:03 PM (r6uF9)

Looks like.  The show's hype is just beginning.  Stu Cross eye babbling with Wilbon.

267 I bet the Romans did not have too many riots.  Get caught rioting, you got crucified if not a citizen, and head cut off if you were a citizen.  Roman Empire lasted quite a bit longer than it appears we will.

268 And I pushed for perjury charges against the cop.  The judge told the cop he was lying, and everyone knew it.  The prosecutor suborned perjury with another witness.  The witness admitted it.

I haven't financially recovered.  They got overtime.

Hey I feel you. In '89 I got sued just for arresting a guy for DUI. And yes he was drunk as hell. But for 2 years, I couldn't get any kind of loan just for doing my job. Finally, in '91 the city fought the lawsuit and won so my life and my credit could resume. Works both ways.

269 Another thing that bugs me. Why do the "leaders" come out and say things that they know will incite riots?Just wondering.

Posted by: Donna at July 08, 2010 09:04 PM (A77nn)

Jeebus... let me take a stab at it! Because they want riots?

270


Also, Tim, you may want to check your Blazer chastity belt for leaks, jus' sayin'.

271 I had an uncle who was a cop. He spent 20 years on the force and retired in his mid 40s. Grew his hair real long, and grew a big ZZ Top beard and spends all his time fishing now.

272

hoodlums? hoopsters? or homos? 

 

It's a big news night.

273 Posted by: Incompetent Police-women at July 08, 2010 09:06 PM (nxUYP)

Fucking sock, begone.

274 It's been a while. They need to update their electronics.

275 First, Rob, this "put their lives on the line" sounds like "a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage and glassy eyes".  It's something cops write down before they approach.  It's regurgitating case law.  Be original.

Second, I have not called anyone "subhuman".  Cops are all too human.  If cops act like assholes, even the good ones shouldn't be surprised that people are wary of them, their motives, and their actions.

276

@32: "Network should cut to studio or else they are simply pumping up the heat for the riots."

Duh!!!! Ratings, bitch!  Riot footage brings viewers.

277 Witty interweb retort - FAIL

I always did skip right over your comments.

Posted by: Tim in Oakland at July 08, 2010 09:02 PM (DQjJA)

I thought you made a good point about rooting for Oakland to burn.  I doubt the morons are serious though.  Like so many things.

Blazer is one of the best commenters here though.  Good sock man too.

Lighten up a bit.

(Sorry to kiss your ass Blazer.)

278 Herr Morgenholz :  At which office do I report to get my house, my credit rating, and my self-respect back?

I think you should get pissing drunk and then go tell those MF's how you really feel.  Say it to their faces man!
 

279
Stop letting women and little tiny guys on the force and maybe they wont need tasers.Back in the day a big ,burly Irish cop only needed his club and his fists to get respect. Posted by: steevy

You also need to take the freaking weights and work out equipment out of the prisons.  Scumbags go in to serve time and come out bulked up and ready to kick ass.  Totally fucked up.

280 263

You know what fosters lack of respect for authority? Unenforceable laws, using cops and law enforcement to generate revenue for the city, militarizing the law enforcement and putting them all in black nazi suits and starwars stormtrooper getups, hassling law abiding citizens with tedious bullshit giving them seatbelt tickets while serious criminals deal drugs 2 blocks away with impugnity, and... oh yeah, executing people in broad daylight probably doesn't help.

Yeah, I liked it a lot better when they wore tie-dye, Birkenstocks, and carried squirt guns.

281 Oi!  Some'a you poofter friends-of-Dorothy have a problem with the coppers?

282 Posted by: Incompetent Police-women at July 08, 2010 09:06 PM (nxUYP)

Fucking sock, begone.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 08, 2010 09:07 PM (nxUYP)

I wondered how long it would take incompetent Police women to recover......

283 I wonder if the ruling in Boston today will have any effect on gay marriage ruling here. The judge ruled it was up to the State to decide the definition of gay marriage. In Mass. case they were in favor so it stands. If it is overturned here I think there is one heck of an appeal on this.

284 Another thing that bugs me. Why do the "leaders" come out and say things that they know will incite riots?

They want riots. The inevitable post-riot "commissions" are prime opportunities for graft grants.

285

I thought you made a good point about rooting for Oakland to burn.  I doubt the morons are serious though.  Like so many things.

Blazer is one of the best commenters here though.  Good sock man too.

Lighten up a bit.

(Sorry to kiss your ass Blazer.)

Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 08, 2010 09:08 PM (0pYSi)

It's o.k. Delta, my ass is a bit dry and chapped from the heat we've been experiencing here and it could certainly use the attention.

I challenge  Tim Emo-Bow here to show an example above where I've been cheerleading Oakland to go up in flames.

286 279 Bread and water and not much else.No conjugal visits either.

287 it has begun,

288  
BTW - Jehu,  cool name.  Maybe my favorite ass kicker in the Old Testament.

289 283 Shhh.Gabe will hear.

290

It's o.k. Delta, my ass is a bit dry and chapped from the heat we've been experiencing here and it could certainly use the attention.

I so totally agree with that!!11!!

291 Just what can LeBron James talk about for an hour that is worth my watching?  Who gives a fuck where he is going.  The NBA is so chock full of punks and thugs that I see them going out of business soon.  The dollars simply won't be there to pay for all of these poseurs any longer.  I believe the further the NBA runs down this road they alienate the fan base with the dollars.

292 Oh, I sure the so-called black leaders want this madness to stop, but they really donÂ’t know how. After all, they are in the protest business, and you canÂ’t protest your way to self-esteem and self-reliance. - Joe Brown

No truer words.

293 First, Rob, this "put their lives on the line" sounds like "a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage and glassy eyes".  It's something cops write down before they approach.  It's regurgitating case law.  Be original.

Loose the chip on your shoulder. They do put their lives on the line; they're some of those who run to the sound of the guns while us civilian pukes head for cover.

But, whatever. You're so invested in your anger it's not a subject worth discussing with you.

294 NBA runs down this road they alienate the fan base with the dollars.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 08, 2010 09:13 PM (yQWNf)

I quit watching the NBA when Jordan quit. It wasn't going to get any better.

295

Why it's almost like the armed representatives of the state make the law a heavy burden on others while they exempt themselves from those laws.

 I know!  For every innocent civilian I harass, I get a coupon for $10 off at my local Stuckey's!  It's teh awesome!

Dang,  all I get is a free bottle of water from The Pantry. You Philly cops are spoiled!  

296 Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 08, 2010 09:13 PM (yQWNf) You're singing my song. I think the NBA will go broke within a few years.

297 they're some of those who run to the sound of the guns while us civilian pukes head for cover.

Speak for yourself, kiddo.

And I'm not "invested in anger".  I'm a Platonist, not a Formalist.

Google those terms as need be.

298 militarizing the law enforcement and putting them all in black nazi suits and starwars stormtrooper getups

*waves hand*

You don't need to see my identification and proof of insurance, officer.  These aren't the dead bodies you're looking for.

299

militarizing the law enforcement and putting them all in black nazi suits and starwars stormtrooper getups

 

I wish!  Those stormtrooper outfits were teh awesome!  Armor built right in!

300 I wish!  Those stormtrooper outfits were teh awesome!  Armor built right in!

Yeah, but how many of them took more than one shot? And look what those suits do to their ability to shoot!

301 288 Dang

Yeah, Jehu and maybe a tie is Gideon.  But then some of David's mighty men, one killed 800 in one battle in the day of sword and spears, these were bad-asses, beyond what we can imagine.

302

I wish!  Those stormtrooper outfits were teh awesome!  Armor built right in!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 09:15 PM (zgZzy)

Put a guard on the vents.  Trust me.

303 18 Hell, they ought to burn the whole damn state down, that'll make things right. And I don't give a fat rat's ass anyhoo.

Posted by: maddogg at July 08, 2010 07:52 PM (DqSon)

I don't either, except the state will raise my taxes to "rebuild" the place like they did after Rodney King.

304 I wonder if riding the BART trains is going to be less safe now that officers know they might face a murder charge if they make a good faith mistake in the use of deadly force.   We can't expect these guys to protect us if we make the rules of engagement to the detriment of the officers.

Posted by: California Red at July 08, 2010 08:46 PM (884bD)

SF's ex-mayor Willie Brown opines that BART cops shouldn't carry guns:

My bet is Johannes Mehserle gets involuntary manslaughter in the killing of Oscar Grant. No intent to kill and no real prison time.

The whole case raises the question of why BART cops even carry guns. It's not like they are real police officers out on patrol. They are transit cops.

They aren't going to be in a shootout with anybody. Not on a BART platform, or in a parking lot or in a BART car. Too many people could get hurt if there was a real shootout.

As for any fallout from the verdict: Some people are just going to go off, no matter what the outcome.

I guess Da Mayor never heard of 3/11 in Madrid or 7/7 in London.  When the Al Qaeda sleeper cell decides to blow up a BART train smack dab in the middle of the underwater Transbay Tube, the only law enforcement officers who will have any chance of stopping them will be the BART cops.  I would rather see them with the arms AND the training to do that job than to think that all they'd be able to do is add to the organic material that becomes fish food in the aftermath.

305



Burn Shit Down My Black Brothers, Kill Dem White Cracka Honkies and Their Babies !


Whats that mom ? Spagetti'os are ready and Degrassi is on?

Brb.

306 #299  I wish!  Those stormtrooper outfits were teh awesome!  Armor built right in!

Except for the armor part.  It only took one shot to take a stormtrooper down in the movies.  Even a shot to the leg could ruin a stormtrooper's day. 

Not to mention it didn't help them against Ewoks of all things.  Ewoks!

307 Those stormtrooper outfits were teh awesome!  Armor built right in!

And yet for some reason the armor was always totally vulnerable to everything from blaster fire to Ewok traps.  Seemed pretty useless.

308 A riot is an ungly thing... undt, I tink, that it is chust about time ve had vun.

309 Hilarious: neither of the TSN stations are showing the LeBronathon here.  TSN has a women's poker tournament on instead.

310

Dang,  all I get is a free bottle of water from The Pantry. You Philly cops are spoiled!  

 

And all the soft prewtzels we can eat! 

311 After careful analysis of this video using Final Cut Pro on my awesome MacBook (see my amazon.com links), it clearly shows a white creationist Christer cop using a shoulder-launched RPG against well-behaved minority citizens minding their own business. The oppressed minority citizens of Oakland are fully justified in any desire to peaceably assemble to demand their civil rights, at midnight, along Jack London Square or a shopping mall. Whereas you wingers all think Daddy Jesus designed your eyeballs. Therefore I ban this website from the internets. I bid you adieu.

312 Lighten up a bit. (Sorry to kiss your ass Blazer.) Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 08, 2010 09:08 PM (0pYSi) *** Well I've been here long enough to know moron snark when I see it. You can scroll up to see where WTR mentioned the nuke thing. I had to call my mom to make sure she got home early today. So no, I don't think I will lighten up in this case. I think the verdict was "fair enough". I'll be happy when we all wake up tomorrow and Oakland didn't burn to the ground, thank you very much. http://tinyurl.com/2c94j4a This is the live link to our local ABC station ABC7 newscast. Seems like the talking heads are just itching for a riot to cover even though they keep saying "Stay calm". Oscar Grant was/is a piece of shit and good riddance to him. No one else should lose life or property over that PoS.

313 308  Inspector Kemp

LOL...thanks, favorite comedy of all time!

314

Except for the armor part.  It only took one shot to take a stormtrooper down in the movies.  Even a shot to the leg could ruin a stormtrooper's day. 

 

But they looked good.  And it's better to look good than to be good. 

315 BART police at the time of this shooting had to share weapons belts.  That means that the placement of the weapons wasn't always the same unless the officer took out some tools and rearranged the belt before each shift.  I can't say how much work that really entails, but enough that a lot of officers didn't do it before every shift. (My source is a BART employee who is not a police officer.)

I have no idea how similar a taser is to the guns the BART cops carry, but in terms of belt placement, I can see how the belt sharing could have caused some confusion in that regard.

Since this incident, BART has loosened the purse strings enough to give each officer his own belt.

316

I'm glad he was found guilty of something; it's possible he thought he was firing is tazer though that takes an extreme level of incompetance.

No offense to the honest, level-headed, and respectful LE types out there, but let's face it- if not for the video evidence, this case would've never seen the light of day.  For far too many officers, the motto is "To serve and protect ourselves."

317 Cops exist to enforce the will of the government. If the society is good, the government is good and so are the cops. If the society is wicked and corrupt, the government is wicked and corrupt and so are the cops.
Incidentally, I'm a Citizen, jerkface, you aint a soldier and I aint a civilian.

318 Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 08, 2010 09:13 PM (yQWNf)

--The sad part is that LeBron was actually one of the decent guys: respected the tradition of the game, and the worst trouble he got into in HS was I think a fender-bender.  Now, though, he thinks it's about him and not the game.  T.O. must have been schooling him.

319

Put a guard on the vents.  Trust me.

We have top men on it right now.  Top.  Men.

320

Stu Scott, Jim Gray and Michael Wilbon all in one show.

Merry freakin Douchmas. Good grief.

321 In order to correct this defect, please return your Storm Trooper Armor^TM to the place of purchase for the installation of the patented, third-generation ThinkManeuverShoot^TM module.

Once again, thank you for putting your trust in Empire Armaments.

322 I challenge Tim Emo-Bow here to show an example above where I've been cheerleading Oakland to go up in flames. Posted by: Blazer at July 08, 2010 09:12 PM (t72+4) I challenge Blunt Blazer to show an example above where I accused HIM in particular of cheerleading Oakland to go up in flames. Are you WTR's sock? If so ... ewww

323 The day that the Clinton Administration announced its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, there were riots in the streets of San Francisco over Clinton's betrayal of his promise to integrate gays into the military. It was the same day that Vince Foster turned up dead.

Wait... so you're saying Vince Foster was in the closet with some gay mafia who offed him, and the orders came from... yes, it all fits. The Greys. I'm calling George Noory right now.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 08, 2010 09:05 PM (AZGON)

Well, I had been thinking that the gay mafia had warned him that he better make sure Clinton kept his promise on gays in the military or they'd out him, and that when the DADT decision came down, he killed himself to avoid being publicly humiliated (ergo the missing page of the suicide note and the commencement speech he gave a few weeks before about the incomparable value of personal honor).

But yours is cute, too.

324 288  
BTW - Jehu,  cool name.  Maybe my favorite ass kicker in the Old Testament.

Posted by: Dang at July 08, 2010 09:13 PM (Chg7a)

Drive Like Jehu

325 The sad part is that LeBron was actually one of the decent guys: respected the tradition of the game, and the worst trouble he got into in HS was I think a fender-bender.  Now, though, he thinks it's about him and not the game.  T.O. must have been schooling him.

Posted by: logprof at July 08, 2010 09:23 PM (BP6Z1)

The good thing is that I get to fellate him first, then Scott gets him and then some stupid cracker who works for our network.

326 tic toc tic toc ...... Im getting closer.

327 The sad part is that LeBron was actually one of the decent guys: respected the tradition of the game, and the worst trouble he got into in HS was I think a fender-bender.  Now, though, he thinks it's about him and not the game.  T.O. must have been schooling him.

Posted by: logprof at July 08, 2010 09:23 PM (BP6Z1)

I like the guy as far as NBA players go, I think he's handled himself pretty well.  Going to Miami (if its true) isn't caring about basketball tradition though.  It's also a sign of weakness in a way.  Top dogs want second bananas on their team, not peers.

More power to him though.   It's his life and he can do what he wants.

 

328 The Sifty Command Bunker and Weave Emporium has upped our Race Riot Alert Status from Meh to Don't Give a Shit.

329
301Jehu
Yeah,  I saw you Gideon's 300 site.  Good reading.  I also like Samson.  Too bad he didn't have a chance to turn the temple he destroyed into a latrine,  like Jehu did.

330 326
tic toc tic toc

...... Im getting closer.

Posted by: Mayan Calender 2012 at July 08, 2010 09:25 PM (ffV1/)

"tic toc" is definitely a European thing.

331 Well, I had been thinking that the gay mafia had warned him that he better make sure Clinton kept his promise on gays in the military or they'd out him, Now that would have been cool. I mean... Clinton screwing around with women AND men... our first bisexual POTUS! That man would screw anything! I wonder if Cankles is secretly a furry...

332

Yeah, I liked it a lot better when they wore tie-dye, Birkenstocks, and carried squirt guns.

Blue or tan would suffice.

333
Posted by: TiO at July 08, 2010 09:20 PM (DQjJA)



Tim, sorry if you think i wasn't being serious enough in such a dire situation, but I choose to have fun and snark away as the world burns. It's the only way I can maintain sanity in today's world and keep from blowing up into little tiny Blazer bits, a little gallows humor if you will.

This place is like therapy to me.

 May you and your family be safe.

334 ..... Im getting closer. Posted by: Mayan Calender 2012

Did you guys invent the wheel yet?

335

Lebron to Heat

 

336 328 301Jehu Samson whipped the ass off of 3000 Philistines with the jawbone of a mule.

337 "tic toc" is definitely a European thing. So buster.... you gotta problem wid that???

338 This place is like therapy to me.

Kratos, Entropy, get the syringe.  The big one.

339

 logprof at July 08, 2010 09:23 PM (BP6Z1)

True.  I've hard that he does a lot for the community he grew up in and has taken his best frends from High School as his business managers.  That being said, tonights decent into LeBron madness can be laid directly at his feet.  It is so unappealing, almost repulsive.  Could you imagine Dr. J. or Magic Johnson doing something this stupid?

340

Like pulling an 11 year old kid out of Boy Scout line up, calling him a liar and a tent-slasher and a thief in front of 400 kids when he hasn't done a damn thing wrong?  Like that?

That was me.

Yeah that wasn't fair.  Guess what, life isn't fair.  Never was, never will be.  It was unfair when my Dad would raise welts on my back, ass and legs with a belt for being afraid of the dark as a little kid.  Hit me in the head with my own fist for being a little dyslexic and forgetting the direction a J should face when learning cursive. Beat the hell out of my Mom and Brother.  It wasn't fair.  You learn to stay out of the way and deal with it untill you can get out.  With all that fair stuff out of the way I stand by my sarcastic sumnation before of lack of respect for authority, creating a more dangerous society. 

I am not in anyway for Cops shooting unarmed citizens but shit happens.  They are in a very dangerous profession.  When they f' up they can f' up big.   Punish the guy in proportion to the crime.  If he goes to prison, send him somewhere where he will not have to fight for his life everyday with the scum of the Earth because he was a cop who f'd up.

341

"tic toc" is definitely a European thing.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 08, 2010 09:26 PM (XIXhw)

Fuck off

342 Samson whipped the ass off of 3000 Philistines with the jawbone of a mule.

I once killed a gopher with a stick.

343 I once killed a gopher with a stick.

I ate a steak. Is that the same as killing a cow?

344 Good thing white boy cracker wazn't stoppin people from votin and intimidating at a polling place....we'd a had tuh let him off.  (BUUURRRP!) scuze me.  eatin too many white babies gives me a little agida..

345 You learn to stay out of the way and deal with it untill you can get out.

Yes, you do.

Punish the guy in proportion to the crime. 

You'll note upthread that I called for the guy to do 18 months, max.

346 ..... Im getting closer. Posted by: Mayan Calender 2012 Did you guys invent the wheel yet? I'm directing NASA to make part of their mission an outreach to disaffected Mayan peoples who need to feel better about human sacrifice and primitive astronomy that led to a really expensive Hollywood movie.

347

True.  I've hard that he does a lot for the community he grew up in and has taken his best frends from High School as his business managers.  That being said, tonights decent into LeBron madness can be laid directly at his feet.  It is so unappealing, almost repulsive.  Could you imagine Dr. J. or Magic Johnson doing something this stupid?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 08, 2010 09:29 PM (yQWNf)

--Nope.  It does diminish his legacy.  It is starting to remind me of the drama around Stupak and his clique dithering seemingly for the attention.

348 Now that would have been cool. I mean... Clinton screwing around with women AND men... our first bisexual POTUS! That man would screw anything!

I wonder if Cankles is secretly a furry...

Posted by: George Orwell at July 08, 2010 09:27 PM (AZGON)

No, no -- I meant, they'd out FOSTER, not WILLIE.  As for Cankles, there was much speculation about her and Foster, and her and her female aide Huma Abedin, and most recently remarks about her being smitten with David Miliband, Britain's last foreign minister before the current one.  I imagine that Hillary has been so sex-starved since Chelsea's conception that she'd hump a dead armadillo in the middle of the road -- except that once he saw her coming, even a dead armadillo would find the motive force to run the hell away.

349 They are in a very dangerous profession.

Bullshit, and I'm sick of hearing it.

On a related note, I'm sick of fucking up my sockpuppets.

350 Thanks Blazer. I appreciate that. We all need a little therapy. And I do love all you Morons. I didn't mean to come across as Emo Double-Rainbow guy, but if this analogy works at all, living in Oakland for 20 years is a sort of like LOTR 2. Under siege from all sides by orc hordes. That's why I hate Obamerica so much, because then everyone will know what living in Oakland is like. I've moved, but not everyone is able.

351 Samson whipped the ass off of 3000 Philistines with the jawbone of a mule.

Posted by: Bugler at July 08, 2010 09:28 PM (VXBR1)

So THAT'S why Obama chose the exact same weapon!  Except all he can get it to do is say, "I will not rest until...."

352
They are in a very dangerous profession.

Bullshit, and I'm sick of hearing it.

On a related note, I'm sick of fucking up my sockpuppets.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 09:33 PM (rbfTh)

Thanks to Barky, being a patriotic American citizen has just become a dangerous trade.

353 With all that fair stuff out of the way I stand by my sarcastic sumnation before of lack of respect for authority, creating a more dangerous society.

Who's the authority, Dan?  You?  Are you pulling a fucking Cartman here?

How about not ruining people's lives because you want to fuck the guy's wife?  Is that a responsible use of authority?

I say a society without a healthy disrespect of authority is a very, very dangerous one.  Millions of Russians, Jews, and my own East German family tend to agree.

354 Well I've been here long enough to know moron snark when I see it. You can scroll up to see where WTR mentioned the nuke thing.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings? If you've been lurking here, you should know the score by now. People comment all the time here that CA should break off into the ocean. I live in CA and you don't see me whining about that. Cali deserves what it gets. I have zero sympathy for the government here. LA is a shithole and I don't give a damn when they burn it down after every Laker win or loss. And if someone said nuke LA from orbit, fuck if I care. Just give me warning first.

Suck it up.

355 You know what fosters lack of respect for authority? Unenforceable laws, using cops and law enforcement to generate revenue for the city,

I think it's that revenue generating part that causes the most animosity. I already told the story of my most ridiculous ticket and i'm sure most people have similar tales. It's pretty annoying to be on my commute and see 2 or 3 constable unit speed traps every day knowing there's going to be people who lose their pay for that day (or more depending on how much they make of course) for nothing more than going a few mph over the speed limit. Pile that on top of the taxes people already pay for the roads etc, and it's a wonder there hasn't been an armed uprising.

356 The 'pants on da ground', Jewelry, Tattoos, Thug behaviour both on and off the court.  Not a recipe for widespread appeal to 90% or more of the US populace.  I am sure that George Mikan is spinning in his grave over what has become of the NBA.  Football has the same problems but seem to police themselves a bit better. 

357 People comment all the time here are planting nukes on the San Andreas so that CA should break off into the ocean.

358 and I don't give a damn when they burn it down after every Laker win or loss. And if someone said nuke LA from orbit, fuck if I care. Just give me warning first.

Suck it up.

Posted by: wherestherum at July 08, 2010 09:36 PM (gofDd)

Heh, note to self. Don't fuck with rum

359 Thanks Blazer. I appreciate that. We all need a little therapy. And I do love all you Morons.

I didn't mean to come across as Emo Double-Rainbow guy, but if this analogy works at all, living in Oakland for 20 years is a sort of like LOTR 2. Under siege from all sides by orc hordes. That's why I hate Obamerica so much, because then everyone will know what living in Oakland is like. I've moved, but not everyone is able.

Posted by: TiO at July 08, 2010 09:34 PM (DQjJA)

Hey, you weren't supposed to respond to that remember? You skip past all my comments. :  )

At any rate Tim, glad you decided to come in from the cold and finally start commenting. We can always use a few more good morons here.


Once again, stay frosty and keep your family safe.

360

Okay Herr, On a related note.  How's everything else going?

Did I mention I got my ass whipped by three guys on my way to Cub Scout meeting and gave up the scouts.  I could handle any one of them and they knew it.  If I was a hateful bastard, I would have hunted them down like dogs and strung them  individually with their own entrails.  This old Jarhead is too warm and cuddly for that type of vengeance but I still dream of it on occasion.

361 Why waste a perfectly good nuke on Oakland?  A few passes with napalm ought to do the job.

362
I'm gonna go watch a zombie flick with the little lady.  Nighty-night,  ya morons.

363 They are in a very dangerous profession.

So are fucking crab fishermen. It doesn't mean you cut them slack for breaking the law. When we start drafting policemen you may have a point.

364 I didn't mean to come across as Emo Double-Rainbow guy, but if this analogy works at all, living in Oakland for 20 years is a sort of like LOTR 2. Under siege from all sides by orc hordes. That's why I hate Obamerica so much, because then everyone will know what living in Oakland is like. I've moved, but not everyone is able.

Posted by: TiO at July 08, 2010 09:34 PM (DQjJA)

I was born in Oakland and raised in San Leandro.  I lived in Oakland again from the ages of 20 to 28.

The last place we lived, off Oakland Avenue, was up the block from an apartment building that was a known supermarket of illegal drugs.  My wife and I got together with some of our neighbors and contacted the police department about forming a neighborhood watch group.  Among the various items of useful advice we got from the police sergeant was to purchase a shotgun, not a handgun, so that we didn't send slugs through each others' houses, and to be sure that if we ever shot anyone, they were facing toward the house and were at least halfway inside through the door or window.  We left Oakland for good not long afterward, though I've worked in the city at various times since - including now.

365 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 09:38 PM (rbfTh)

That was harsh, Herr. You shouldn't joke about such things. *sob*

366 Suck it up. Posted by: wherestherum at July 08, 2010 09:36 PM (gofDd) Doesn't it defeat the purpose if you give warning first? Just be happy that you were part of a historical moment. You suck it up.

367 Heh, note to self. Don't fuck with rum

Agreed.  Rum will smash your nuts into apple butter if you cross her.

368

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 08, 2010 09:40 PM (rurh0)

I don't want to get in a pissing match either.

And I'm also in Ohio.  Do you have these guy's addresses?

369

How about not ruining people's lives because you want to fuck the guy's wife?  Is that a responsible use of authority?

You lost me on that one.  I was talking about the ration of crap cops sometime take.  Now you have me defending the Nazi state?  Chill dude.  We are on the same side, I think. 

370 Doesn't it defeat the purpose if you give warning first? Just be happy that you were part of a historical moment. You suck it up.

How so? Just because I want LA nuked doesn't mean I want to be there anymore than you want to be in Oakland whenever it burns. I'm just fatalistic about it.

Look, I don't understand why you seem to be taking issue with me personally. You do know that the "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" line is one of the running gags around here, right? So it makes me less of a conservative to use one of the moron jokes? Shit, I'll sign up as Democrat!

371 357 People comment all the time here are planting nukes on the San Andreas so that CA should break off into the ocean.

Hang on a sec folks; I'll be right back.

372 Herr,seriously nerves of steel!
clean a running corn picker,

373 You lost me on that one.

A certain small town cop, if he's reading, didn't miss it.

And no, I'm not honestly saying we're rolling down totalitarian highway, but we passed the reallyfuckingannoying exit a while back.

374 Cops referring to the locals as "Civilians" chaps my ass. 

Unless you're serving in the Armed Forces, you are a "Civilian".  If you have served, once you leave the Armed Forces, you are a "Civilian".  If you join the local P.D., former Military or not, you are a "LEO" but you are still a "Civilian".

Get over your delusions of grandeur.

/rant

375 Rioting-the unbeatable high
Adrenalin shoots your nerves to the sky
Everyone knows this town is gonna blow
And it's all gonna blow right now:.

Now you can smash all the windows that you want
All you really need are some friends and a rock
Throwing a brick never felt so damn good
Smash more glass
Scream with a laugh
And wallow with the crowds
Watch them kicking peoples' ass

But you get to the place
Where the real slavedrivers live
It's walled off by the riot squad
Aiming guns right at your head
So you turn right around
And play right into their hands
And set your own neighbourhood
Burning to the ground instead

[Chorus]
Riot-the unbeatable high
Riot-shoots your nerves to the sky
Riot-playing into their hands
Tomorrow you're homeless
Tonight it's a blast

376 I love you guys, as you are so deranged in your thinking.

377 Herr,seriously nerves of steel! brains of marshmallow
clean a running corn picker,

Actually, you can do it.  Ask old farmer Stevens next door.  Ask for Lefty at the General Store.

378

@293: "They do put their lives on the line; they're some of those who run to the sound of the guns while us civilian pukes head for cover."

Obviously you've never heard of New Orleans. NOPD = Not Our Problem, Dude.  Fleeing/looting/murdering during Katrina.  Guarding drug shipments and pulling hits for organized crime before that.

They're not the only ones, either.  NYPD's "Princes of the City". Metro-Dade's drug units during the Cocaine Cowboy days, etc.

There are plenty of brave police - most of them, in fact - but there are far too many that are criminals with badges, too.

379 TiO and stuiec,

Hold on, fellas- my hubby is a LEO from San Jose and he's on the way to Oakland as "support" for OPD with all the riot gear ready to go. Apparently they're feeling that the foolishness may begin once it gets dark. All is quiet here in SJ, so please stay safe.

380 Cops referring to the locals as "Civilians" chaps my ass.

I understand there are some salves for that.

381

Rum will smash your nuts into apple butter if you cross her.

 

*hello*

382 Cops referring to the locals as "Civilians" chaps my ass.

I understand there are some salves for that.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 08, 2010 09:49 PM (0onAO)

Cops use Rob's sweet lip balm.

383 I am he,
and he is me
and we are all together...

384 Hold on, fellas- my hubby is a LEO from San Jose and he's on the way to Oakland as "support" for OPD with all the riot gear ready to go. Apparently they're feeling that the foolishness may begin once it gets dark. All is quiet here in SJ, so please stay safe.

Posted by: kai at July 08, 2010 09:49 PM (xOiED)

Thanks.  I am already back home on the Contra Costa side of the Caldecott Tunnel, so -- barring arson in the Oakland Hills causing a firestorm that jumps the ridge -- I'm fine.  My wife will be driving home through Vallejo a bit later, though, so one hopes that there won't be any "sympathy riots" up there.

Sending good thoughts for your husband's safety.

385 Admit it Rob.  That wrote itself.

386

There are plenty of brave police - most of them, in fact - but there are far too many that are criminals with badges, too.

So we should condemn all of them, then.

Seriously -- where has anyone argued that police should be above the law? Why do people respond as if that's what's been said?

387 I don't know if you can,
but can you get an owner for Ons,
that's O-N-S,Junior Market,
the address is 1934 East Aneheim,
all the windows are busted out,
and it's like a free-for-all in here
and uh the owner should at least come
down here and see if he can secure his business,
if he wants to...

April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!

(call fire, respond mobil station.
alamidos in Anahiem,
its uhh flamin up good.
10-4 Alamidos in Anaheim)

Never doin no time

When we returned to the pad to unload everything,
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings.
So once again we filled the van until it was full,
since that day my livin' room's been more comfortable.

Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here,
It's getting harder and harder and harder each and every year.

Some kids went in a store with thier mother,
I saw her when she came out she was gettin some pampers.

They said it was for the black man,
they said it was for the mexican,
and not for the white man.

But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King,
It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police.
It's about coming up and staying on top
and screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop.
It's not written on the paper it's on the wall.
National guard??!
Smoke from all around,

bo! bo! bo!

(units, units be advised there is an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 temple,
938 temple... 30 subjects with bags.. tryin to get inside the cb's house)

(as long as I'm alive, I'mma live illegal)

Let it burn, wanna let it burn,
wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it burn

(I'm feelin' Sad and Blue)

Riots on the streets of Miami,
oh, Riots on the streets of Chicago,
oh, on the streets of Long Beach,
mmm, and San Francisco (Boise Idaho),
Riots on the streets of Kansas City
(Salt Lake, Hunnington Beach, CA),
Tuscalusa Alabama (Arcada Compton Mischigan),
Cleveland Ohio,
Fountain Valley (Texas, Barstow - Let's do this every year),
Paramount, Victorville (Twice a Year),
Eugene OR, Eureka CA (Let it burn, let it burn),
Hesperia (Oh, ya let it burn, wont'cha wont'cha let it burn),
Santa Barbara, Nevada, (let it burn)
Phoenix Arizona,
San Diego, Lakeland Florida, (let it burn)
fuckin... 29 Palms (wontcha let it burn)

any units assist 334 willow,
structure fire, and numerous subjects looting

10-15 to get rid of this looter..

10-4

388 Admit it Rob.  That wrote itself.

Ha-ha, just kidding?

Meh. You get to take everything personally, the rest of us are just supposed to giggle and grin.

389

@333: "May you and your family be safe."

Oh, c'mon! A true moron would wish him and his a quick and painless death.

390 where has anyone argued that police should be above the law?

*whistling*

391 Meh. You get to take everything personally, the rest of us are just supposed to giggle and grin.

OK.  In that case, go fuck yourself.

392

Oh, c'mon! A true moron would wish him and his a quick and painless death.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 08, 2010 09:55 PM (ySNz/)

Die well, and earn Valhalla.

jeez.

393

Seriously -- where has anyone argued that police should be above the law? Why do people respond as if that's what's been said?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 08, 2010 09:53 PM (0onAO)

Some have come pretty close. We give cops a special place in society. They can deprive us of our liberty and even our life based on their interpretation of the facts at the time. We need to hold them to the highest of standards. Like I said, I am glad they do what they do but it doesn't make me trust them. They are human.

394 I am he,
and he is me
and we are all together...

395 316 Cops exist to enforce the will of the government. If the society is good, the government is good and so are the cops. If the society is wicked and corrupt, the government is wicked and corrupt and so are the cops.
Incidentally, I'm a Citizen, jerkface, you aint a soldier and I aint a civilian.

Posted by: EzE at July 08, 2010 09:22 PM (ZcCE2)

 

Good post. The only rational comments on this thread. _{(Don't make me regret that I said that.)}

396 Posted by: Morgenholz's and Blazer's psychiatrist at July 08, 2010 09:58 PM (sYrWB)

Can't trust Blazer with a simple crawl-space job.  Jeez.....

397 Guess I'll be the left winger but.....murder one. No less. Nobody could pull a fucking gun, take off the safety, point it at someone on the ground and fire point blank and think it was a taser. Don't give me this shit about "blah blah blah gang banger blah blah blah" it was murder straight up.

398

@333: "May you and your family be safe."

Oh, c'mon! A true moron would wish him and his a quick and painless death.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 08, 2010 09:55 PM (ySNz/)

Come to me, Captain.  I promise your death will be swift and merciful.

399

Here's the way I see it.  Being old enuff to fart dust I remember when I could pick up a pack of smokes or a jug of beer for my dad from a local bar at age 10.  I didn't get a ticket for riding a bike without a helmet.  Kids my age could own a 22 rifle or a pocket knife.  Not smoking in the presence of someone that didn't was courtesy not law.  Healthy eating habits were determined by your parents not the law.  There is a whole lotta stupid being passed by legislators and beauracrats justifying their existence and lining their pockets by doing so.  Turning off our brains and goose stepping to the leftards drum is the direction we have been heading since the 60's.  I prefer common sense and common courtesy. 

Though I owned a knife it wasn't a weapon.  It was a tool.  I didn't own a knife but knew one kid who did.  We weren't afraid of getting shot in school.  Respect for JUST authority is neccessary for a functioning society and sections of the population are losing it.  I am not anymore a fan of anarchy than I am of a totalitarian state.

400 Alex, there is not a traditional safety button on the model gun the officer carried.  His gun has "trigger safety" which basically means the gun wont fire unless you pull the trigger. 

401 All will be well when we land the first camel on Jupiter.

402 I am he,
and he is me
and we are all together...

What the fk, I dont get it...

403

Here's the way I see it.  Being old enuff to fart dust I remember when I could pick up a pack of smokes or a jug of beer for my dad from a local bar at age 10.  I didn't get a ticket for riding a bike without a helmet.  Kids my age could own a 22 rifle or a pocket knife.  Not smoking in the presence of someone that didn't was courtesy not law.  Healthy eating habits were determined by your parents not the law.  There is a whole lotta stupid being passed by legislators and beauracrats justifying their existence and lining their pockets by doing so.  Turning off our brains and goose stepping to the leftards drum is the direction we have been heading since the 60's.  I prefer common sense and common courtesy. 

Though I owned a knife it wasn't a weapon.  It was a tool.  I didn't own a knife but knew one kid who did.  We weren't afraid of getting shot in school.  Respect for JUST authority is neccessary for a functioning society and sections of the population are losing it.  I am not anymore a fan of anarchy than I am of a totalitarian state.

This.

But everything that is being pissed about here is just the opposite of it.

404

@387: "So we should condemn all of them, then."

And you can point to the posts that call for the heads of all police?  I haven't seen anyone spouting the ACAB line.

405 All will be well when we land the first camel on Jupiter.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 08, 2010 10:02 PM (mY03/)

If you're still in Israel, TJ, you may be able to watch the launch.

406 #401 Ahhh I see I see....maybe. Was it necessary to pull the trigger? No. Look I get the involuntary manslaughter charge, I get why that stuck, but man this just sticks in my through WRONG. Maybe I don't like to see cops execution style kill a guy. As much as we think its fun to joke there is due process in America, this ain't China.

407

I've had the misfortune of meeting a lot of bad cops. Don't trust them. But, I still give them respect.

LAPD threw me down once for "fitting a description" as I was walking down the street. Told me if they saw me again, I was going to jail. Got a ticket for going 80 once....had the cruise control pegged at 60. Cop laughed and said he could do whatever he wanted and it would be his word against mine in court. I've had about 30 run-ins with cops (mostly when I was young and thuggy looking), and most were mutually respectful and nothing came of it, but they still stopped me just to perk up their shift.

And, oh yeah, there was the time I got arrested for breaking up a fight in school. Gangbanger punching a young lady in my class. I was charged with "unwanted touching of a minor", an assault. Two years of my life and 25K later, all the charges were dropped.

Oakland cop shot a dude on the floor in the back. If it were my kid, I'd want his hide. He deserves more than a year and a half in jail. Kid had it coming, but that's not the cop's job.

408

@400: "Respect for JUST authority is neccessary for a functioning society and sections of the population are losing it"

I suspect the transition from "peace officer" to "law enforcement" had some impact, too.

409 Stuiec,

Appreciate it, thanks for the thoughts.

410

Jupiter is a gas giant.

Poor camel.

411 No, no -- I meant, they'd out FOSTER, not WILLIE. I still like the idea of bisexual Willie. No wonder he, uh... triangulated so well.

412

@411: "Jupiter is a gas giant."

And what, precisely, was I?

413 Sometimes I wonder about this site - no one has a remote grasp of the facts of this case or what happened early morning New Year's Day 2009.  That's right, a bunch of young black male thug/gansta wannabes were intoxicated and fighting on BART train at the notorious Fruitvale Station.  BART cops were all on alert, all hands on duty to manage the typical bullshit these assholes routinely dish out to society (shitheads like Lovell Mixon in Oakland, POS cop killer) here in Bay Area.  Mehserle's girlfriend was in labor with their child and he was going on 36 hours without sleep.  Mehserle was UNFIT for duty, but deployed anyway as BART needed every swinging dick available to deal with the shit heads on NYE.  Grant - an active participant in the melee that morning on the platform - resisted arrest and was warned he would be tased if he did not comply with Mehserle's lawful orders.  Grant continued to resist even after he was proned and warned.  Mehserle was trying to get control of the situation using non-lethal force and grabbed what he thought was his taser (regs state taser on front of belt over belly).  Mehserle fucked up b/c he was sleep deprived - his Sergeant should have never certified him fit for duty - and deploy his duty weapon which is a Glock .40 and has no safety.  Mehserle pulled the trigger mistakenly thinking he was tazing the suspect.  Negligent homicide with appropriate involuntary manslaughter verdict.  Sentence: time served and 5 years probey, 1,000 community service.  The rest of you fuckers on this thread running down the cops can suck my dick.  Banhammer me I don't care.

414

And what, precisely, was I?

Posted by: Orson Wells at July 08, 2010 10:09 PM (ySNz/)

A gassy fat man? Totally overrated.

415

Herr, I'm with you on bad cops. No doubt. Try to be respectful, but without that gun and badge, they wouldn't be needlessly hassling me and their smile would be gone.

Ohio Dan....sounds like we grew up a lot alike. I got some pretty bad burns, even stitches once...foster care, blah, blah, blah, all before I was 10. No sense living in the past, but it does fuck one up in the head. Hard to be normal after that, but I try.

This place is awesome for morons like us. Blazer summed it up best...this place is great therapy, and I'm glad I get to read what you guys put down.

416

Posted by: LivefromRussianHill at July 08, 2010 10:10 PM (UI1zS)

Thanks for your lively input.

He fucked and killed somebody.  He does time.

417

If you're still in Israel, TJ, you may be able to watch the launch.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 10:04 PM (rbfTh)

Just got back from Israel. saw only one camel, however.

418

I can't beleive it, but Mayor Dellums and the new Poice Chief Batts are on top of this situation.  Effective messaging and communications. 

Dellums is extending his willingness to support the famliy if they feel there has not been justice.  I hate the idea of getting Eric Holder involved, but you kind of have to see that Dellums must be sympathetic to those that do not feel like justice has been served. The police are respecting freedom of speech and maintaining order.

Wonder if it will hold once darkness comes?

419 Just got back from Israel. saw only one camel, however.

So you got me that stone from the Temple, right?
Any problem smuggling it out?

420

Thursday night / Burn Notice. 

I am going to check off for a while and watch a show where you can use automatic weapons, blow shit up,  never see a cop and still be the good guy.  Yeah Hollywood, life works like that

421

Wonder if it will hold once darkness comes?

Posted by: California Red at July 08, 2010 10:14 PM (884bD)

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422 I agree with Ohio Dan, in a perfect world, but... the world has moved on. We are drifting towards the Brazilian model where small businessmen fund death squads hunting down street gangs.
The question is what do you do in that sort of situation? Do you even care about 'Justice', or do you just hope more of the bad guys get wasted regardless of how it's done?
We of course are not there yet, but we have come a long way from what it used to be. Citizens were once able to control themselves and had no wish or need for government to step in and dictate their lives to them. For how many is that still true?

423

 Just got back from Israel. saw only one camel, however.

But would you walk a mile for it? What kind of animal rights activist are you?

424 So you got me that stone from the Temple, right?
Any problem smuggling it out?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 10:14 PM (rbfTh)

Well, I did  find the fabled ancient stash of Mohammed's gay kiddie porn stashed inside Hezikiah's tunnel.

425 Just got back from Israel. saw only one camel, however. Ever see the "Dirty Jobs" where Mike Rowe goes to the camel ranch? Them critters have sex. And it ain't pretty.

426 Can't trust Blazer with a simple crawl-space job.  Jeez.....

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 08, 2010 10:00 PM (rbfTh)

Wait, you found the camera i hid in the air-conditioning vent in your bedroom ?

Coises, foiled again.

427 Hezikiah's tunnel

Just because it had to be said again.

428 Now, imagine he's white!

429 Well, I did find the fabled ancient stash of Mohammed's gay kiddie porn stashed inside Hezikiah's tunnel.> See? Brilliant Muslim culture. They invented the original 4chan and b/.

430 Wait, you found the camera i hid in the air-conditioning vent in your bedroom ?

No.  Frau did, you dumbass.

431 Hell and tarnation - the local news has preempted Jeopardy for chrissakes.  They are aching for a riot in the worst way. 

Is this what GWB meant by the soft bigotry of low expectations?

432

And no, I'm not honestly saying we're rolling down totalitarian highway

I'd say we're on our damn way. The laws aren't getting any better, either, and the cops will enforce them. In the due course of events the swat teams will be beating your ass on the ground for illegal possession of a large quantity of sodium.

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If a conservative is a liberal who got mugged (by a criminal), maybe a libertarian is a conservative who got mugged - by the state.

Just look at Europe - especially the UK.

When it comes to cops, especially the UK. Law Enforcement there does not keep peace, it keeps control. It keeps the peaceful citizens in line, comes down hard on them, and mostly strives to avoid the violent thugs - because unlike taking a nightstick to grandma, those guys are dangerous... and not really a threat to the political structure, so long as the violence isn't directed at the State.

433 Pfft. As soon as darkness descends all bets are off. OPD is going to be busy!

434 Should fix the italics.

435 Test.

436 Now the dickhead on the news is insisting that Mehserle apologize to the thug's family.  I swear the reporters on site in Oakland are doing their best to incite a riot.  If Oakland burns, I certainly hope all the press are incinerated, too. 

437 Was that me, the italics? I'm clearly not a brilliant Muslim. I don't know how to close an html tag, or cork a goat single-handed in the dark.

438 I rather think the real ire at anyone's desire to foment a riot should be directed at the MFM.

439 Oscar Grant Sr, grandfather of decedent, just said that he believes the officer accidentally grabbed his taser.  It was kind of a shocking admission.  He was angry about what he preceived was shenannigans by the officers in the testimony and by the fact that the officer never apologized to the famliy, but he said that he beleived in MLK and non-violence, and that police officers have a tough job to do.  He was the most rational of anyone I have seen interviewed on the streets.

440 What if they held a riot and no one came?

441 Looks like the riot is bigger in Cleveland...

442 Herr,seriously nerves of steel! brains of marshmallow
clean a running corn picker,

Actually, you can do it.  Ask old farmer Stevens next door.  Ask for Lefty at the General Store.

Yes, you are correct,but it does take a special kind of moron to pull it off.I know very few farmers that still own a full compliment of hands and fingers.

443 What if they held a riot and no one came?

This is Oakland we're talking about.

444

Ok.  There is some action in Oakland.  KRON 4 is reporting that the Foot Locker is being looted.  Also a fire in the streets. 

 

445 61

24 Russ from Winterset's mother died this morning per his facebook page.

 

Prayers going up to Russ and his family.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 08, 2010 08:06 PM (zgZzy)

Same here. May the Lord's blessed assurance and comfort be with him and his during this time.

446 http://kron4.com/

live feed.  One reporter watching the riot, one watching the cops, and the folks in studio are asking the latter to ask the cops about securing the former.  Not Good.

447 W.T.F. "Mistook" a.40 cal for a taser? Please.( I know I mistake my guns for stuff all the time. Just yesterday I mistook my 1911 for a turkey baster.) He's either a killer or dangerous, criminally negligent fool who is an imminent danger to the community he's allegedly serving. Either way, 2-4 years is an absolute joke. Does anyone actually believe that someone other than a cop would have gotten that sentence?

448

Top Brass has determined that the peaceful protestors are done for the evening and the 300 remaining are not planning on being obedient.  Dellums told the senior citizens volunteers to clear out.  Chief says they have issued order to dispurse and cops will begin to put the squeeze on.  Now dealing with professional anarchists.   These dudes still seem to have in under control.  Minor stuff only so far.

 

449 I buy that he screwed up. after all, how many people each year stick their hand down a running garbage disposal, get out of the car and leave it in gear, one guy I know was sitting on the edge of a cliff and just gassed the bike (auto clutch and road off). I can't go into all the stupid brain fart crap that I have pulled.

450 BART cops about to be disarmed. Count on it.

451

I suspect the transition from "peace officer" to "law enforcement" had some impact, too.

Yeah, that going from citizen to taxpayer to " the people " kinda chaps my ass as well.

452 Note to self: Add "cop threads" to list with "abortion threads" and "atheism threads."

Eesh. On the other hand, it's Troll Induction Day judging from the other threads, so that plays a part.

453 BART cops about to be disarmed. Count on it.

And retire en masse.

454 "Protestors" throwing lit M-1000 fireworks at the cops again according to KRON4.

455 Free Plasma's, Night Train, and Kool's for everyone !

456 Violent crime has become the root cause of poverty and economic decline in cities like Oakland, and not the other way around.

Posted by: stuiec at July 08, 2010 08:33 PM (W+GYq)

That's not the root of the problem.  The root is the destruction of the black family.

457 Loose the chip on your shoulder. They do put their lives on the line; they're some of those who run to the sound of the guns while us civilian pukes head for cover.

But, whatever. You're so invested in your anger it's not a subject worth discussing with you.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 08, 2010 09:14 PM (0onAO)

They run towards the sounds of dogs barking with guns blazing maybe.  Off duty they trap-shoot kittens so to speak.

458 The rest of you fuckers on this thread running down the cops can suck my dick.  Banhammer me I don't care.

Posted by: LivefromRussianHill at July 08, 2010 10:10 PM (UI1zS)

There was a BOLO for a badge-licker tonight.  I gave the sketch artist your description.

 

 

459 May God comfort Russ.

460 I couldn't convict him. To convict him of invol manslaughter, they would have to find criminal negligence. CalCrim No. 511: a person acts with criminal negligence when the way he or she acts is so different from how an ordinarily careful person would act in the same situation that his or her act amounts to disregard for human life or indifference to the consequences of that act.

461 Samson whipped the ass off of 3000 Philistines with the jawbone of a mule. I once killed a gopher with a stick. Posted by: Maj. Frank Burns I once shot a man just for snorin'

462 Earlier, someone asked if any morons were in the Oakland area.  I am.  By downtown.

463 If it was a negligent mistake, the cop should get 20 years in max. If it was deliberate and intended, he should get a fucking medal for ridding the world of a useless thug.

464 I think the real thing to remember in this case are all the cops who do not want their actions to be subject to "instant replay" in a court of law.

These same cops who want wiretapping laws to be misinterpreted to prevent citizens from recording them as they perform their official duties in public.

I don't trust the police.  Not because I'm a criminal.  I've never been in any kind of trouble with the law.  It has been at least 15 years since a police officer has even talked to me in an official capacity.  I don't trust the police for the simple reason that power corrupts.  Many of the people who go into police work are there not to protect the public or ensure that the law is applied as written, but in order to act out a personal power trip.  Not all mind you, but enough that I consider the police as a whole to be a necessary evil, just like government in general.

465 P.S.

I happen to think that a conviction for involuntary manslaughter is probably just in this case.  There is no reason to believe that this cop killed this man intentionally.

The crime he was charged with fits the events that occurred.

466 I don't trust people named "Lee" - and he was charged with murder. Manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder and the defense asked for instruction on it.

467 A day late so it does not matter but, my two cents worth. Stupidest fucking comments I have ever read. Okay, lets think for a minute. The left is suspicious of cops. The right is suspicious of cops. They must be doing a pretty good job.
My brother is a cop. And a damn good man. The fuzz is an instrument of state. The state is coercive power. That is all the state can be. Ok, have a nice day.

468 The guy should spend life in prison just for being TOO STUPID to know the difference between how a TASER and his GUN feels in his hand.

For one thing, the gun weighs about 2 times as much.

Also, officers never just pull the taser and fire.  They pull it and point it at the perp and issue warnings.  This was just another hyped up cop mad with power pissed at a guy that wasn't cooperating.

469 Live from Russian Hill, you make a good argument. Police work is hard and can be very dangerous. They're far from perfect, but Katrina and Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew shows you what things are like when the thin blue line disappears. It's not pretty. The police are far preferable to anarchy.

470 Fuck da police, yo!

471 "There is no reason to believe that this cop killed this man intentionally." You mean beyond pulling out his gun and shooting him in the back while he was pron on the ground, right? Yeah, no reason to think that at all.

472

@ 56

That's why the agency I retired from mandated that the Taser be on your weak side on the gunbelt.  Yes, the cross-draw is not quite ideal but I couldn't mistakenly grab my side-arm.

473 Thank you for sharing. Firma Rehberi

474 They guy is dead and the cops life is virtually ruined.  I don't believe any police officer would intentionally murder someone in front of a train full of witnesses in this day an age.  If the guy was caught beating up some old lady, raping someone or some vile crime, I would say no biggie.  This sentence is fair, but the guy didn't deserve to die either.  He was at best a low level drug dealer.

475 too bad about the verdict., it was obviously an accident...if the race roles had been reversed it would have even been a blip on the radar and the cop would be promoted by now.

476 Great post sir, thanks. Travel Jakarta Bandung

477 Opps...oh well one less fuck-up in the world. Too bad a cop loses his job because he grabbed the wrong weapon. Come on we all make minor mistakes. This puke on the BART should have complied and he would be alive today smoking crack and stealing purses.

478 Race hustlers are capable of escalating incidents like this into riots because no one has the guts to stand up to them, and the media is all too willing to stoke the flames of rage if it means ratings.

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