1 Everyone's making the same mistake.  The video wasn't about Sherrod, it was about the audience's reaction to parts of her speech...

2
Althouse makes an excellent point:

"...Jealous doesn't acknowledge this personal responsibility. Indeed, he continues to operate in this instinctive, reactive mode. It's not as if he went looking for the truth about Sherrod. Sherrod came forward and defended herself by relating the whole story and complaining about the edit. Her presentation was a new embarrassment, and Jealous's current statement is a reaction to that. Moreover, his shot at "Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart" is another instant reaction. Not only does Jealous assume a motive behind the edit — "the intention of deceiving" —  he assumes Fox News and Breitbart did the editing.  But Breitbart says
he received the video already edited.

3

I had a bad feeling about this from the start. I said here I thought it was weak stuff.

Strike at the king, etc.

4 She sure sounded proud to me that she sent him "..to one of his kind". Regardless, Brietbart had made the NAACP, the USDA, and Ogabe look like the incompetent, preening, shallow fools they are.

5

1 Everyone's making the same mistake.  The video wasn't about Sherrod, it was about the audience's reaction to parts of her speech...

 

AGREED!  It's the inbred racism that festers inside the NAACP.

6

So... she was prejudiced at first, and discriminated against white farmers, but later she overcame it and helped them? 

If she was a white Republican, no one would be reconsidering anything.

7 i'm embarrased that this man graduated from my highschool

8

She says she's not sure she wants it again.

meaning = I'm going to sue the shit out of the government for firing me.

9 Except... she IS a racist? It's going to look hilarious when Brietbart releases a video of her at a New Black Panther meeting talking about killing cracker babies. Watch how fast everyone jumps.

10

So... she was prejudiced at first, and discriminated against white farmers, but later she overcame it and helped them? 

 

It's the feel-good story of Robert KKK Byrd!

11 I don't want her to have it again. The only "growth" she shows is the kindly Marxist poor whites are also an Oppressed Group and deserve some consideration. Just, you know, not as much as black people, but still something because, hey, they're not middle class whites! Amirite?

She's still a racist and she's still a Marxist.

12

1 Everyone's making the same mistake.  The video wasn't about Sherrod, it was about the audience's reaction to parts of her speech...

No, it's not even about that, although the audience reaction was what leapt out at me when the first -- truncated -- video appeared.  The audience wasn't taking things out of context, the audience was the context.  They knew that they were being told a formative story about a younger woman's experience.  Nodding and calling out in agreement or empathy is just a way of saying "I understand where you were coming from."

Anyway, the video is no longer about the video.  It's about the amateurs in the White House.

13 That should be "kindly Marxist idea."

14 Everyone's making the same mistake.  The video wasn't about Sherrod, it was about the audience's reaction to parts of her speech...

Oh? Breitbart sure led hard with the it's "evidence of racism coming from a federal appointee and NAACP award recipient", calling it her "racist tale". It seemed to be a little about Sherrod, no?

15 Prufrock, just change the races. Make this a white woman at a meeting of white people and keep everything else EXACTLY the same. What's your gut reaction?

16 Being a Marxist and pissing away my tax dollars is a firing offense.

17 So go to her for help as a farmer that is a member of the tea party and see what happens.

18

Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans. But that isn't a firing offense. She was done wrong.

"Never interfere with your enemy when he's in the process of destroying himself."

Why are you defending the enemy again Gabe?

19

17 So go to her for help as a farmer that is a member of the tea party and see what happens.

No soup for you!

20 I wouldn't worry about her. I'm sure we're going to be paying her a massive pension

21 Hey Odumbass, how did YOUR ass taste when you stuck your head up it?

22 Secretary Vilsack says he's "reviewing" her case with the possibility that Sherrod will get her job back. She says she's not sure she wants it again.

Oh, she wants it back.  After all, NO ONE, not even crackahs, loses a government job, and no white farmer is ever going to feel superior to her if he knows what's good for him (or his financially-distressed farm.)

Mrs. Spooner says Mrs. Sherrod sent her husband to a black lawyer. Why does everyone believe Mr. Spooner was the white farmer she already said she sent to "his own kind?"  Is it because Mr. Spooner was the only white farmer Mrs. Sherrod ever worked with?  Doesn't that seem odd?

And when will Mrs. Sherrod denounce the racists in the audience cheering on her behavior before her come-to-Jesus epiphany?

23 Anyway, the video is no longer about the video.  It's about the amateurs in the White House. 

Winner.

It's irritating to me that we've got easy-peasy story on how cowardly the Obama Administration is on race -- hello AG Holder -- and folks would rather go on about Sherrod's or NAACP's racism when the video demonstrates the complete opposite of racism.

Actually, it's beyond irritating. What kinda fuckwits are gonna pass on the chance to injure the President's standing with blacks in favor of a not-true story labeling the NAACP as racist? Hello??!? McFLY???

24

"Now Secretary Vilsack is saying what he should have said from the start 

“I am of course willing and will conduct a thorough review and consider additional facts to ensure to the American people we are providing services in a fair and equitable manner,” Vilsack said in a written statement released around 5 a.m."

Sounds about right.  Wonder if he just read or participated in last night's epic thread.

25

I agree, we need to be tougher on Brietbart in the same way the left and the media were hard on Rep John Lewis for lying about the "N" word being yelled at him.

My principles of fair play will keep me warm in the camps.

26 Yeah, this injury was almost entirely self-inflicted. 

If the NAACP and the White House had simply taken a day to digest this, they could have defused the entire thing and left Breitbart with egg on his face.  (Though admittedly, not much, since his claims about the video were fairly modest).

You'd have thought the administration might have learned its lesson about jumping to racial conclusions after the Cambridge MA police incident, but apparently not.

Anyone think the NAACP is going to learn a lesson about quickly pointing the finger of racism? 

Nah. . .me neither.

27 #15 Ella... let's try it: White female USDA minion standing before assembled klansmen and says, "So this black fella walked into my office hoping for some money to bail out his farm. He was acting real uppity. Well I worried about money for the white farmers. So I sent that black fella to his own kind. But that black lawyer screwed him over. It was then I realized that my race hatred for blacks is superseded by my socialist love of class warfare and big government." Yeah, it's a regular REDEMPTION MIRACLE. Sounds little like renouncing racism or a pivot point. Nearly 25 years later she still refers to whites as "own kind".

28 O/T:  Anyone else notice that Beck seems to enjoy his spot as "the festering boil on the administration's ass"?

29 Interesting that Breitbart got them to react unthinkingly. I wonder how much evidence was burned and now they're going, "Aw, shit!"

30 Gabe,

Evidence of racism within the NAACP sure seems to be that the NAACP members that made up that audience were pretty happy that she was racially discriminating against a white farmer.  Whether Sherrod turned around 10 seconds later and said "and it was wrong", that audience reaction shows the racism of the NAACP far better than any intellectual argument.

31
The crowd reaction in the video is very inconvenient to group-think left-wing nut bloggers.

32 Why are you defending the enemy again Gabe?

Why are you passing up the chance to injure the President on this? Huh? Is it because you're a fucking coward? Is it just because you're a fucking idiot? Huh? Too stuck on your own prejudices to actually, you know, make a point?

33

Breitbart should start his own nuclear weapons program and see if the administration does anything.

 

I bet he would get bombed before Iran.

34  
Evidence of racism within the NAACP sure seems to be that the NAACP members that made up that audience were pretty happy that she was racially discriminating against a white farmer.  Whether Sherrod turned around 10 seconds later and said "and it was wrong", that audience reaction shows the racism of the NAACP far better than any intellectual argument.

Wrong again. You haven't watched the video -- the full video -- have you? Prufrock gets it right above:

"The audience wasn't taking things out of context, the audience was the context.  They knew that they were being told a formative story about a younger woman's experience.  Nodding and calling out in agreement or empathy is just a way of saying "I understand where you were coming from.""

35 Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

36 Yes I was moved when the other NAACP members were chuckling about her shitting on a white farmer.  The woman redeems herself somewhat but the people in the room didn't know how the story was going to end, they seemed to enjoy the fact this "superior" acting white guy was getting his comeuppance.

37 All I see is that the charge of "RAAACISTSS!!!!" can work for us too. I suggest we use it.

38 Oh dear God, I looked up and there on the screen is a nice looking guy in a ten gallon white hat and the CNBC caption says "the not so jolly rancher".  Are the interns writing the captions these days?

39 Can't you just copy & paste all the comments from last night and be done with it?

40 I think she got fired for revealing the racism in the NAACP, not for her own problem with the white farmer. Otherwise Holder would be out on his ass too, for the NBP case.

41 someone acted stupidly. now who's ass do I kick?

42

Well, this precedent is primed to see anything through the prism of race, so no surprise there. Well, some surprise that he could actually see a black woman as making a racist statement... chances are that he was so quick to fire her so he'd have cover to continue calling anyone who disagrees with him racist.

Not that I'm going to shed any tears for a marxist, or a government employee looking for a new job.

I don't suppose this is a good time to talk about ending farm subsidies altogether, is is?

43

HereÂ’s the kicker.  Gateway Pundit reports this morning that the NAACP President was in attendance at SherrodÂ’s speech.  WeÂ’ll see if that holds up when the whole tape is out.

 

Exit question for Ben Jealous: Why were SherrodÂ’s comments reprehensible yesterday but just fine when you were sitting there listening?  Something tells me that itÂ’s the NAACP who are the “cowards” Eric Holder once referred to.

44 32 Why are you defending the enemy again Gabe?

Why are you passing up the chance to injure the President on this? Huh? Is it because you're a fucking coward? Is it just because you're a fucking idiot? Huh? Too stuck on your own prejudices to actually, you know, make a point?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 21, 2010 09:53 AM (1TvCg)

Come on Gabe, show some courage, finish your thought. What name do you REALLY want to call me? If you were not such a coward yourself you would say it. Come on. Do it. Get it over with. You know you want to!

45

I could of course ruin the lives of those fucking stupid cracker famer bastards..

but that would be wrong.

46 Unfortunately, nobody is going to come out of this incident looking good.

Not the NAACP, not Sherrod, not the White House, and not Breitbart.

Sherrod might make some money in litigation, though.

47
How many people did she screw over like this before she realized racism was wrong?  Does this not open her employers to lawsuits?  How can she continue working in this capacity? 

We are supposed to take her word that she's been redeemed?  Do we take the words of other "former" racists? 

How come her language is still "racially insensitive"?  Would a white person be allowed to use words like "his own kind"?

How do we know that farmer who came forth is the same farmer from the video?  Can he explain what she meant by his "superior attitude"?

She says she's overcome her racism but does she still allow her petty bitchiness ( complaining about his superior attitude ) to cause her to deny proper services to a tax-paying citizen?  Is that what we expect of govt employees?

48 A much more realistic revelation than racism in Sherrod's story is class warfare. She "overcomes" racist sentiments by connecting with something that she concludes is more important: rich vs. po'.

49 So a government employee gets on stage to reflect on her racist past.  Tells a story of redemption, and brotherly love, and how she has seen the light and no longer judges anyone by the color of their skin.

Now she just doesn't like them racist teabaggers and conservatives.

50  Come on Gabe, show some courage, finish your thought. What name do you REALLY want to call me? If you were not such a coward yourself you would say it. Come on. Do it. Get it over with. You know you want to!

Oh damn, Jim questions my motives once again. Must be Wednesday.

51 Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans

Are you fucking nuts?

This is where we're at today?

Well, sure she's a Marxist ... you know, a proponent of an ends justifies the means ideology that is responsible for the death of hundreds of millions of innocents but ...

But what, Gabriel?

I mean, what the fuck?

What the FUCKING FUCK?

She's a malevolent piece of shit bureaucratic thug in service or would-be totalitarians. She is the motherfucking freedom eating machinery of human enslavement.

FUCK HER.

52

Wasting too much time on the video, the issue is the immediate reaction.

 

I'm sure the NAACP realized, after they passed the resolution, that their organization is filled with jew, gay, hispanic and white hating people who in all likelihood are in leadership positions and are on tape.

The put themselves into a corner where they would have to immediately disavow any person connected with the NAACP who was on tape saying something racist or perceived to be racist.  They had to get Sherrod fired, they couldn't even try to defend her or hear her side of the story, because then they would be doing exactly what they accused the Tea Party of doing, which is having too nuanced a view on what to do with perceived racists in their midst.

 

 

This is the first of what will no doubt be many tapes.

 

 

53 Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans. But that isn't a firing offense.

Why not?

54 Here's the link for Sean Bannion's comment about the NAACP president being present at Sherrod's talk:

http://tinyurl.com/38yjvd7

All in all, I'd say Jim's comment is on point.  Why are there so many high-level Eeyores on this site going to bat for Sherrod and her ilk?

55 For the offensive manner in which she told this "redemptive tale" -- for that ALONE -- she should be fired from government service. Taxpayers don't owe her a job! it's disgusting to see authors of this blog twist themselves into a pretzel for some absurd notion of fairness.

56 We are supposed to take her word that she's been redeemed?  Do we take the words of other "former" racists?

That's the thing Malor and a lot of people aren't getting. She showed favoritism based on race in using government resources and violated the public trust. That should disqualify you from working in government, doesn't make any difference is she found redemption. She still shouldn't be working in a governmental capacity. The government shouldn't be in the second chance business when it comes to that.

57 Unfortunately, nobody is going to come out of this incident looking good.

Not the NAACP, not Sherrod, not the White House, and not Breitbart.

Breitbart will never look good to the MSM. But he doesn't have too. He's a provocateur not a reporter. His prime mission is to hurt the liberal movement and get them off their game. He did it. His credibility (or lack thereof) comes from his honesty about wanting to hurt the leftist movement in America.
Of course this is lost on the average person, so to the public Breitbart looks bad. But I'm cheering!

58

Why are you defending the enemy again Gabe?

Because Gabe is a gay conservative.  You know, one of the "good" ones.

59 "Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans.  But that isn't a firing offense."

Not a firing offence, just a hanging one.

But even so, that isn't an excuse to tell lies about her.

The truth is what matters.  Politics that are not grounded in truth and driven by principle are wholly corrupt. 

When someone starts lying in order to achieve a political objective, they have gone off the rails and have become a liability.  A partisan who lies is worse than a moby.

Breitbart says he didn't create the edited version of this videos.  I want the person who did identified.  I want that person held accountable for lying.

60 O/T:  I think Beck is getting a kick out of the fact that she apparently said on one of the cable outlets that some woman deputy secretary finally told her on the third call that she had to pull over and give her resignation cause "you are going to be on Glenn Beck tonight".   And then Beck follows it up with "and you don't know what I know".  And it brings to mind this song
Heck, Beck should just play this to suggest what he keeps saying about his "people in high places" and "knowing conversations in the WH."

And then, irony of ironies I happened to click on this guy and it seemed so apropos since uncle ben is visiting congress soon.  A trip down memory lane so to speak....

61 Okay now. I was in the fight last night until the wee hours of the morning arguing that the full video did not provide evidence of a hate-filled racist. I still believe that. On the other hand, "Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south" isn't exactly how I would describe it either. Throughout the video she makes it clear that she is very aware of the individual races and classes with whom she comes in contact. She may not be any more biased or racist than the average man on the street, and the tale was a tale of redemption, but let's not go turning her into a hero because she didn't go full-hog, hair-pulling, spittle-flecked lunatic either.

62 the video demonstrates the complete opposite of racism

Are you high, Gabriel? "The complete opposite of racism" isn't "learning" to substitute class warfare for race warfare, it's ignoring race and class and doing your fucking job the way you're supposed to.

63 What kinda fuckwits are gonna pass on the chance to injure the President's standing with blacks

I don't know what kind of a fucking retard you have to be to think that anything Odipshit does will actually injure his standing with blacks.

64 I don't see how simply doing one's job is the "complete opposite of racism". Sounds like simply not defrauding your employer to me.
Anyway, I think Sherrod knew that her audience would be amenable to the Rev. Wright/Barack Obama/Al Sharpton "stick-it-to-Whitey" style, so she recalled one of the times when her racism caused her to screw over a fellow American. Then she explained how a pang of conscience caused her to do her job anyway. Wow, what a hero.
Anyway, she got her audience to pay attention for a while, which was her goal.

65

54 Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans. But that isn't a firing offense.

Why not?

Because hate is good when directed at white people by any other name other than white.

Seems she has just changed the label. Instead of white, she says tea party and republican.

So we only discriminate against non-marxist whites now?

Nice.

66 I don't know what kind of a fucking retard you have to be to think that anything Odipshit does will actually injure his standing with blacks.

Maybe if he did the full Michael Jackson?

67

Breitbart probably could have handled this better but he will come out of it unscathed, perhaps even more popular.  Popular with the right that is because the left and the mfm (but I repeat myself) will never take him seriously.

The NAACP which by it's own admission is an organization that is dedictated to advancing only one group of people based solely on skin color is being exposed in a very negative light.  The NAACP is an organization who's time passed years ago and anything that exposes them for the race hustlers they are is ok by me.

The Obama administration looks like ass.  They didn't bother to even let the woman tell her side of the story before demanding her resignation.  With the not so subtle race issues that are swirling around this administration, cops acting stupidly, Rev. Wright, Holder, New Black Panthers, etc., one more brick on the load that demonstrates that they are fixated on race like no other administration ever will add to the damage.  And the best part of this is no matter what they do now they will look even worse to a large part of the popularion

 

Score:

Breitbart - +1

NAACP - -1

Obama - -1 and sinking

Why is everyone so pissed at each other?

68 I want to know how many white farmers she fucked over before she came to her "redemption".

That's the firing offense. It doesn't matter if she changed her mind later. She used the power of the State to selectively reward and punish based on her personal whims and prejudices.

Now I'm not naive enough to think this is anything out of the ordinary. This is who they are. It's what they do.

But we caught this one. Take her job. Take everything she has if possible. I want an investigation followed by lawsuits.

69

We are supposed to take her word that she's been redeemed?  Do we take the words of other "former" racists? 

Well, we do if they should need to run for Senator of West Virgina.

70 A point I half-made yesterday before the thread went too crazy to touch was that Breitbart's error was strategic—that he didn't consider every likely reaction to what he had, and every likely spin on its incompleteness.

The big mistake he made was to give nominally or superficially conservative but fundamentally Dem-sympathetic squishes an opening to distance themselves from righty investigative/gotcha journalism, and from the TEABAGGERS! ARGH! that they, too, really really want to call racists. (See above.)

But hey. Maybe we learn something. Right? ...Right?

Yeah, no.

71 Vilsack=ballsack

72

Can we trade Michael Steele to the other team?

Or maybe the European leagues?

73 I agree with Gabe.

One problem with the media -- including Breitbart -- is that no attention is paid to sources or the methodology used to present news. Or "news."

Having spent many years in the journalism game, I don't believe in presenting "edited" video -- which isn't admissible in court, BTW -- without at least making it clear that a) an effort was made to obtain the whole video and b) that said effort failed because of the actions of someone publicly identified in the resulting story.

If -- emphasis on "if" -- the video was a "story of redemption" and the audience knew this, what's the point of making it public? I don't know the back story (none of us do), but the appearance is that Breitbart was in ready-fire-aim mode and jumped to premature conclusions.

All that said, the story has become the idiocy of the Osma Obama regime in dealing with the non-issue. Vilsack and the rest "acted stupidly."

I don't think that was Breitbart's goal when he put the video out.

It is also the story of people on both sides of the issue firming up their positions before the facts were known. Those who abhor the Right are putting the blame on Fox News -- which was far busier with Lindsey Lohan than with Sherrod -- and the usual suspects. The right responded by closing ranks behind Breitbart without considering the very real possibility that he blew it.

Neither side accepted the possibility that they are wrong on the Sherrod/NAACP tape. Most of them never do, and never will. Which is a shame.

My opinion may change if/when the whole story is known. For now, this looks like one of those rare occasions when both sides end up with egg on their collective faces.

Moreover, it exposes a major flaw in "modern journalism:" Whether from the NY Slimes or Breitbart, the reliance on anonymopus sources and rushing to get the story out has gotten out of control. Any story, particularly one with the explosive potential of the Sherrod/NAACP issue, must be fully fact-checked, and the methodology used to gain information must be transparent.

This lack of transparency is why I question every assertion made by the media, right or left. Reports and pundits have grown sloppy, to put it mildly. And the general public accepts that, which is a sad commentary on the dumbing-down of America.

74 That Andrew Breitbart?  He sure is a maccaca.

75

And finallly, Gabe is about as conservative as Andrew Sullivan.

whoa whoa whoa people. let's not go over the top here.

 

Gabe is taking a more nuanced view, that doesn't mean he is a stoned, immuno-deficient, psychotic.

76

And the bigger lesson everyone should take from this (but won't): Racism is a serious problem. Maybe we should treat it seriously. Which means 1) the charge of racism isn't a club to hit someone with when you disagree with them politically 2) everything is not always what it seems and that maybe we should look at everything and think first, scream second and 3) maybe we should just move past the point where disagreeing with a minority figure = racism.

Mallamutt gets it exactly.  And Gabriel is now my favorite moron for agreeing with me twice in a thread. 

I don't always get fully immersed in a news cycle, but I had the tube on all day yesterday and many of the comments in this thread are based on a lack of actual, you know, facts.

Sherrod wasn't a government employee at the time of the white farmer incident, she worked for some dopey non-profit.  She didn't have a history of discriminating against white farmers along the road to Damascus, this was the first one she'd encountered.  She'd gone into that line of work specifically to help black farmers.

Now, when she has her epiphany it turns out she's a commie.  So, knock me over with a feather.  What do you expect?

But she came on CNN and named names.  Told the name and title of the person at Ag who said that it was the White House insisting that she resign before Glenn Beck came on, pull off the road and do it now.   And the WH is denying that they were involved.  There is all sorts of shit that will stick to Obama if we throw it in the right direction.

 

77 Can Georgia trade Shirley Sherrod to another state?  And while we're at it, anyone want Hank Johnson for sh*ts and giggles?

78 And finallly, Gabe is about as conservative as Andrew Sullivan.

Wait, at least Gabe has no interest at all in the icky va-jay-jay like Sullivan does. Gotta give him credit for going the full-homo.

79 Mea culpa Mea culpa mea maxima culpa! Oh please won't you forgive us kind masters for the sins we have committed in the name of our ideals???? We promise we'll never play like democrats again! This experience, along with Joe Barton, should serve as a warning for us to keep in our place.

80 Referring the man to a white lawyer, "one of his own", well that was just the right thing to do huh?  What bullshit. 

81 Oh damn, Jim questions my motives once again. Must be Wednesday.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 21, 2010 10:02 AM (1TvCg)

Usually I just question your judgment, but today it seems we have hit the daily double with you. So by your reasoning, attacking Breitbart and eating our own harms the White House.

Yeah, that's real nuanced Gabe. Certainly well above my limited cognitive reasoning abilities.

So, let's get back to you accusation of me. What "prejudices" do I harbor that "interfere with my ability to make a point"? I'd love to know so I can correct them. Please tell us all. Now.

82

That's the thing Malor and a lot of people aren't getting. She showed favoritism based on race in using government resources and violated the public trust. That should disqualify you from working in government, doesn't make any difference is she found redemption.

Concur.

I work with these people ("these people" is not a slur here...it's means Feds who think it's their job to dispense "social justice") and you're not going to change them.  You're just not.  That's the bad news.

The good news is that there is a hierarchy in DC amongst Feds.  The Feds at the social service type agencies are generally viewed as lightweights both intellectually and in terms of overall competence by those at more techincal agencies like EPA or Defense. 

But it's a net loss.  These types exist and ain't goin' away.

83 "The complete opposite of racism" isn't "learning" to substitute class warfare for race warfare, it's ignoring race and class and doing your fucking job the way you're supposed to.

Bingo.

84
Another thing..

If Vilsack was so easily ready to fire her and the NAACP was so easily ready to repudiate her for her racism, doesn't that speak to her reputation on racism? 

I mean if somebody tried to fire James Brown for not working hard enough, you think somebody would speak up!

85 #69 JackStraw

Why is everyone so pissed at each other?

That's a good question.

86 So it was an NAACP video of the whole speech all the time?  Not a phone video, which is usually only a few minutes.  Then they sent the one segment to set-up Brettbart...

87

The whole point of this exercise on the left is to take the tea party off message and make them ineffective.

The left is far more racist than the white and everyone with a clue knows that.

So this woman thinks doing her job is a tale of racist redemption.

Why are conservatives jumping on the lefty bandwagon to make this woman a modern day St. Paul and reaffirm the lefty ideal of racism only existing on the right?

 

88 88 #69 JackStraw

Why is everyone so pissed at each other?

That's a good question.

Because everyone's looking tactically, when they need to be looking strategically.

89 Reports and pundits have grown sloppy...

Reporters.

90 Haha yeah, our sins for having "jumped" a bit (though not much) on this one. You know, in the interest of fair play, we'll be waiting for the apologies from the NAACP, King Shabazz, the House Democrats, Eric Holder, Obama, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton. Oh how united we are now! I'm sure they'll be around any minute to tell us how sorry they were for all those times they took things out of context.

91 What's up with all the anger toward one another?  Circular firing squad anyone?

92 #90 Thank you.

93 #58, 60

Posting an edited video taking the speaker out of context is slimy.

The fact that liberals effectively do this all the time doesn't make it any better in my opinion.

I respect the fact that Breitbart managed to add another scalp to his belt over this incident, but in my personal estimation, this still doesn't reflect well on him.

Lets see what else he's got up his sleeve here.  That could be more interesting.

94

meaning = I'm going to sue the shit out of the government for firing me.

What's her involvement in that lawsuit that had 27,000 claimants but there were only 3000 documented Black farmers that were supposed to receive damages?

95 Firing Sherrod is working, it's just taking longer than we thought. Just think how bad it would be if we hadn't fired her.

96 You know, how come no one's mentioned that Vilsack, a white dude, just fired an "innocent" black woman?I smell a racist.

97 Sherrod wasn't a government employee at the time of the white farmer incident, she worked for some dopey non-profit.

A non profit whose sole propose was to dish out government money and services. They're still a defacto agent of the government and fall under the same discriminatory policies. She admitted she violated those policies, how is that not a dis-qualifier for working in government?

98 You don't want Snowball back, do you?

99 Why the FUCK are there so many PUSSIES on the right willing to gove this bitch the benefit of the doubt?

Did they not see the smirk and pause for the audience reaction and the ever present "that's right!" after she said "he was trying to be superior to me"?

Fuck the NAACP  Fuck the MFM  and fuck all you RINOS who are too weak kneed to take this DIRECTLY to Obamas political doorstep.

Bunch of fuckin cowards.

For what?  Oh we want to play by the rules so we can retain the moral high ground?  FUCK THAT

Fight fire with fire and make these fools realize their constant accusation of racist is exactly what all Conservatives already understand it as.

BULLSHIT

The MFM is N-E-V-E-R  going to be on our 'side' on A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

100 "89 So it was an NAACP video of the whole speech all the time?  Not a phone video, which is usually only a few minutes.  Then they sent the one segment to set-up Brettbart...

Posted by: Paladin at July 21, 2010 10:14 AM (AfORa)"

Or, maybe Andrew Breitbart had "a trusted source" who let him down?

101 #98

Playing "by the rules (whatever the hell they are)" got us into the position we are now.

102 #96 Jane, I'll tell you what at least my anger is. The circling that happens is always AGAINST OURSELVES. First, second and last, our inclination is to get on our knees and confess our sins so that we won't be looked down upon by...who? Moderates? Democrats? I don't honestly know. And we'll get into snippets about who technically said what in what post, and meanwhile Obama is thinking up another socialist coup. We've been taken off message and yet again WE DID IT TO OURSELVES.

103 Well, I'm gonna take a flier on this topic from here on out. This is going nowhere, fast. Have at it.

104 So, I guess Breitbart was snookered, too?  I think he needs to move along to the next video, if he has one.  Yeah, perhaps there are other issues associated with Sherrod that should be looked at, but Sherrod is already getting a lot of sympathy from the public, and I don't think the public will take too well to a bunch of white guys continuing to pick on this old black woman. 

I don't see the benefit in going after the NAACP. They're obviously trying to bait conservatives and the Tea Party by calling them racist. Other than issuing a statement saying they are against racism of any kind, and in any political party, I think they should just let it go. You can't prove that you're NOT a racist.

If Breitbart really wants to play quien es mas racist, he should go back to 2008 and take a look at the racist elements in the Democrat party during the primaries. Surely, there are some videos/pictures of Democrats saying some pretty nasty things about Obama.

105

Why is everyone so pissed at each other?
From last night.

 

106 28 O/T:  Anyone else notice that Beck seems to enjoy his spot as "the festering boil on the administration's ass"?
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Indoor work with no heavy lifting.

107 #102

A non-profit doling out gov't money that lead directly to her getting an actual Federal position.

Sherrod isn't some innocent babe-in-the-woods here.

On "circular firing squad", I think that's the byproduct of Conservatives actually engaging in thought and earnest reflection.

When you're liberal, and its all about partisan group-think, its a lot easier not to disagree or attack one another.

108 "It was then I realized that my race hatred for blacks is superseded by my socialist love of class warfare and big government."

Shirley Sherrod really sounds like the mirror twin of Zombie Cyclops.

109 Two points.

1) where are the fucking grown up in this administration?

2) anyone that has been to an NAACP function and doesn't think they are racists is a fucking idiot.


A personal story.  Kelly Alexander, an old time funeral home crook, former president NAACP, state senator, died. I went to the funeral with the Governor, a Republican.  I thought I was at a Black Klan meeting.  Everything was whitey fault, and they basically call the Governor a Klan member. Julius Chambers got up and called the Governor a racist. To his credit he ignored them and gave a nice speech.  We got the hell out of there after the service, and I was glad we had Highway Patrol protection.  It was a Klan meeting for Blacks.

110

why all the racist language in her telling of the story ?  She could have said "I didn't help a white farmer because he was white.  I realized my mistake and rectified it."    Instead she used inflamitory language to describe the farmer "talking down to me" and "send him to one of his own kind" ...

Sorry but if you feel comfortable using that language you haven't completely given up your racism ...

Can you imagine Robert Byrd recounting his past by saying, "I hated the (n word) in my youth but eventually realized my mistake".  

 

111 The complete opposite of racism" isn't "learning" to substitute class warfare for race warfare

Yeah, all this woman did is change the means upon which she set about furthering her Marxist agenda.

This isn't about her, but let's not give back her scalp either.

Truncating the video was slimey and ended up harming Breitbart. I'd like to see whoever is responsible identified.

But I don't get the hand-hand wringing and compulsion to give the benefit of the doubt to this woman.

112

Posting an edited video taking the speaker out of context is slimy.

Clip not edit

He only had the clip

Stop buying their talking points

113

#104

You are absolutely correct. We will never win by being above the fray and all ties automatically go to the Libs.

114 Not to be patting myself on the back or anything, but,

I was way ahead of the pack yesterday morning.

All you had to do is, watch the whole video.

115

...it was a story about redemption and learning to overcome prejudice ..

Wait, let me get my violin out ...

116

I love this:  "Objection, Yer 'Oner!  Assumes racism not in evidence!" 

I'm going to use that, even if I get a judicial fish-eye out of it.

117 "Here's the thing. The whole time, Sherrod was saying that the statements in the video were misunderstood. That it was a story about redemption and learning to overcome prejudice that had been chopped up."

I call bullshit!  What about Trentt Lot and other Republicans who have been smeared by the MFM? The truth of the matter is she did say these things and she did discriminate against some one because of the color of their skin and she should be cashiered.  Now the information about  law suits and payouts to colored "farmers" and her involvement in that puts the lie to her so-called epiphany. And to the ÖbaMao junta.

118 http://is.gd/dAIU0 You'll want to copy and paste that link. The USDA spokesman says it is what Sherrod said in March 2010, not what she said she did in the 80s, that led to the resignation request. She's not coming back. The Pigford II settlement will come up. That settlement expired as of March 31, 2010 because the Congress did not act to appropriate the funds for the settlement. The USDA and DOJ will have to renegotiate a new settlement with black farmers. There is a new amendment that is inserted in the Afghan/Iraq war funding bill. That amendment creates grounds for a civil suit by a concerned citizen. The Congress missed the DOJ settlement deadline.

119 On a completely other note.  I have noticed that "fuck" as slipped back into the regular comments lately. 

Whatever happen to "cocksucker"?  Ace use to be number one in blog uses of "cocksucker".  What has happened?  Have all the cocksuckers left the blog?

Answer up, cocksuckers!

120 You know I think we could get Vilsack's scalp over this. Powerful white guy denies black woman due process. Fires her without review. Can only mean one thing: Racism straight up. RUN WITH IT!!

121

Suggestion for a commercial:

Scene 1: NAACP criticizing Tea Party as racist

Scene 2: Tea Partiers challenging that "proud racist" plant.

Vocie Over: The Tea Party movement rejects racism.

Scene 3: Ms. Sherrod's peech, with NAACP applause.

Vocie Over: NAACP applauds racism.  Which organization is really racist?

122 Way to buy into the Dem talking points, you limp-dick pussies.  You don't deserve a win.  Ever.

123 Breitbart posted what he got, the cut version. But even if he'd done the cut himself, his point was that the NAACP is as racist as any organization, that its members are as racist as anyone.

Who is pointing out that though Sharrod finally realized her own fault, it isn't as if this particular poor white farmer was the only cracker she had neglected to serve well in her official capacity. What punishment had she ever received for being so vindictive as a "professional" public servant? Perhaps Obama's acting stupidly is the real lesson to observe.

We know now how Sharrod is fairing, being a central news story nationally. But what ever became of the old white farmer facing bankruptcy?  Sharrod's government capacity could have protected him FROM bankruptcy had she been so inclined; whereas the lawyer (regardless of color) would simply officiate the bankruptcy. Her story didn't say that he was no good as a farmer, bringing on his own economic misery due to his own lack of talent and rigor.

124 What's up with all the anger toward one another?  Circular firing squad anyone?

This ain't shit.  You should've been around last night.

Listen.  "RACISM!!!!!11!" is the Godwin's Law of politics.  They've been yelling it since before the election.  They lose.  Anything that keeps pushing them towards the abyss is fine with me TRUE OR NOT!  I know people want to have their consciences intact, and all that happy shit, and that's a fine thing, but the idea that this an after school special about redemption is horseshit.  She's just another commie giving out tax payer money in a social engineering exercise.  Of course her actions were racist.  It's social engineering.

You know who was a repentant racist?  Strom Thurmond.
You know who was an unrepentant racist?  Bob "White Ni**er" Byrd.  Let's see how history treats them.

The story here is racism, hypocrisy, and immaturity.  Let's go with that, instead of whether Andrew Breitbart held his tongue right when he posted it.

125 She admitted she violated those policies, how is that not a dis-qualifier for working in government?

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2010 10:18 AM (yErAU)

Which is why I think the White House did the right thing in immediately throwing this racist under the bus with Rev. Wright, Van Jones, Anita Dunn and the rest. With the government now in charge of healthcare and student loans, they cannot afford even the slightest perception that racial favoritism will be tolerated. Even if someone later repents. Maybe she can go work for an NP that helps the poor regardless of the color of their skin.

126 I generally agree with the assessment that this video isn't as bad as it was initially made out to be.

I'd add, though, two things:  Sherrod was initially playing the victim card with "the white farmer was trying to show how superior he was to me" without citing anything he did or said.

Secondly, if the races were reversed in this, you know how it would go.  And I don't have a problem with turning the tables on people who have no problem with taking things out of context and presenting them in a wrongfully negative light, such as when everyone attacks Rush for the things he says. 

127 "What about Trentt Lot and other Republicans who have been smeared by the MFM?" Do you even remember what Trent Lott said? "If we had elected you perhaps we wouldn't have had all these problems." You being Strom Thurmond running on the Dixiecrat ticket.

128 After several agonizing seconds of deliberation, we've decided to appoint Shirley Sherrod as the Obama Administration's acting "Your Own Kind" Czar.

129 My hash is racist.

130 127 On a completely other note.  I have noticed that "fuck" as slipped back into the regular comments lately. 

Whatever happen to "cocksucker"?  Ace use to be number one in blog uses of "cocksucker".  What has happened?  Have all the cocksuckers left the blog?

Answer up, cocksuckers!

Actually Ace was also the #1 blog for Thai Teen Asian Anal Cum Sluts Tranny Hookers too. But then he went all legit.

131 #110

Breitbart was likely (though not definitely) snookered (begging the question of by whom), but that's just the smallest part of this story.

The NAACP and White House jumping all over this woman is the REAL story, not Breitbart.

Again, had the NAACP and the White House simply made the smallest bit of effort to find out the facts, they'd both be untouched by this and so would Sherrod, and Breitbart would have a small amount of egg on his face. 

Not incidentally, I don't see how Sherrod has any cause of action against Breitbart.  He posted a clip of her actual words.  He didn't force the NAACP to issue statements or retract them, or force the White House to fire her.  Sherrod was pressured by the White House to resign, and admittedly it can be hard to say "no" to the White House if they come screaming at you like that, but she didn't have to do it.

She could have simply said "I did nothing wrong and do not resign.  If you fire me, so be it".

132 What's the deal on this thread? It's like we've gone mad. I'm on Gabe's side: oops, not a big deal, we have far, far bigger fish to fry.

133 Sorry Kemp, I gave that up

134 Breitbart could have edited out the end, but he didn't. The moral of the story was always present, but it still corroborated racism in the NAACP and within government offices. I'm glad this got national media attention, because it does exist -- that was a packed room of "Right on, sister!" -- and it needs to stop.

135 I wonder who gave Brietbart the snippet of tape?  Somebody who has a grudge against Sherrod....who?

136 My hash is racist.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 10:30 AM (bNngr-boy)

Indeed.

137 I'm on Gabe's side: oops, not a big deal, we have far, far bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2010 10:30 AM (FcR7P)

If you're implying "fried catfish", then you're racist.

138 OK, I read the transcript. I still don't like it.  She says it's not about race?  It is.

"You know, I haven't seen such a mean-spirited people as I've seen lately over this issue of health care. Some of the racism we thought was buried. Didn't it surface? Now, we endured eight years of the Bush's and we didn't do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black President. "

Well, since blacks make up what, 15% of the population, a lot of whites voted for Obama. 

Is it about race or is it not about race?  She says "We endured eight years of Bush? But who is we? I'm guessing it's blacks since she is speaking at the NAACP, which I think is a black organization. 

Personally I endured 8 years of Journolist Bush bashing.   And what stuff are the Republicans doing because you have a black President? 

I guessing not much different than if Obama was white and the nation had elected a Marxist Socialist to office.


 

139 Listen to the full video. Sherrod admits that she treats Southern Georgian farmers different than Northern Georgian farmers. She ain't coming back folks. I don't know enough about Georgia, but up are the Northern Georgian farmers Tea Partiers?

140 143 Sorry Kemp, I gave that up

Posted by: dagny at July 21, 2010 10:31 AM (OUNVW)

And why is the bride smiling?

She knows she's given her last blow job.

141 I think the administration had no problem with what she said in the truncated (?) video or the audience's reaction to it.  They were just afraid that Beck was going to make some hay with it.  These folks have no problem with black racism, Black Liberation Theology or NBPP goons.

142

 The complete opposite of racism" isn't "learning" to substitute class warfare for race warfare

Can you think of a Democratic politician that doesn't run on and practice class warfare everyday because I can't.  It's what Dems are all about, finding a victim and slamming evil, heartless Republicans.  I don't think you are going to get a lot of traction with the public yelling about her class envy.  I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying what is.

Just today you had that numb fuck from Florida, the idiot who said that the Republican health plan was to have you die faster, say that he hoped God had mercy on Republican's souls for voting against extending unemployment benefits when the truth is what the Republicans said is they were for extending the benefits as long as they were paid for.  Dems lie and use class warfare tactics.  And water is wet.

I'd say hire her back.  She will be completely neutered and watched like a hawk and the contortions Obama will have to go through will make the beer summit look mild.  Otherwise another career bureaucrat (read lefty with the same views) will get the job and we will all go back to ignoring the USDA like usual.

143 Compare/Contrast

Gabe Malor 6/1/2009: [Judge Sotomayor] didnÂ’t just say that we need Latina judges because there are differences in the conclusions reached by a wise Latina and wise white man. Rather, she said that she thinks we need more Latina judges because the wise LatinaÂ’s conclusions will be better than the white manÂ’s. ThatÂ’s bigotry.

Gabe Malor 7/21/2010: ...it was a story about redemption and learning to overcome prejudice that had been chopped up

144 104 Why the FUCK are there so many PUSSIES on the right willing to (sic) gove this bitch the benefit of the doubt?

Because real conservatives believe in the rule of law and the Constitution and there's just something wrong about not giving a person a fair hearing?

Ms. Sherrod was convicted by everyone based on a small portion of the video.  She isn't the one we should be going after.  The real PUSSIES, if I may borrow your words, is the Obama Administration, and their cronies, that threw her under the bus.

The issue I have with Ms. Sherrod is that she came to realize that it isn't Black vs. White but rather the Haves vs. The Have Nots.

145 The best this episode has to offer is that a rush to judgement, as many of these “racist” episodes usually offer, is not usually a good thing.
I suggest the Sherrod get in line behind Ray Donovan who is still trying to get his good name back.

146

 and we didn't do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black President. "

So she is redeemed to the squishes but remains a complete fucking idiot.

No, Shirley, you were much much worse.

Oh, and when lies and despicable comments about Bush were discussed you guys just laughed.

147

Sure she hates you and everything you stand for.  But...

148

He only had the clip

Stop buying their talking points

Posted by: dagny at July 21, 2010 10:24 AM

Dagny, if Breitbart has stopped to think this through, he would have wondered if some kind of smoking gun might lie beyond the "clip" or "edit" he was given.

Think: If someone had come up with a less-than-full-length video appearing to show a black congress member having been spat upon, wouldn't you want to see if the missing tape showed one of his aides holding a water pistol or a bird flying overhead?

I suspect you would rightly question the evidentiary value of incomplete video in that instance.

The left wouldn't. I'd like to think we are better.

It is my feeling that there is enough truth out there to bring down Osama Obama and every one of his traitorous, racist, communist fellow-travelers. My beef is that we won't bring out the big guns we possess and take the Traitor-in-Chief down once and for all.

Instead, we dribble information in small quantities and fight the small battles.

149 I'm on break at school so I won't be able to reply but the bloggers at Ace are really trying hard to come to his defense over this and can't seem to let it go they pissed off the commenters that said I actually agree with Ace and Gabe, doesn't mean I'll ignore the jolliness of the crowd, or that the prick like reply to the commenters (though some commenters were being pricks themselves) didn't concern me. Basically I'm on the side of both Ace and the commenters

150 126 From American Thinker...... New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).

151 Yeah, hire her back at $164,000 a year to do what?  I say fire all of the over paid bureaucrats. Or pay them what they are worth which is no more than a teacher or policeman.

152 This is why Golberg and Krauthammer are both wrong... they didn't take into account RINO wimps who will bend to the left's every whim. The left says jump and the wimps are too busy getting air time to ask how high. This is why America is doomed. Too many on the right are not willing to go for the throat. I'll be in my bunker with the beans and bullets.

153
Sure she calls YOU a racist for no good reason, but...

154

Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans. But that isn't a firing offense.

Have we gotten to the point in this country where it's not possible to get rid of a Marxist as an unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat?

 

155 "Why are you passing up the chance to injure the President on this?"

During the election, the story came out of how much money in bribes Obama had taken from Tony Rezko to help him get subsidies that were ostensibly for housing in poor black neighborhoods. Then there was a map of all the derelict buildings and the stories of poor blacks freezing to death, going without water and rats and roaches running everywhere. Obama still won the election with a huge black voter turnout. This Sherrod story will not damage him.

156 One less Marxist in government is fine with me.

157 ok, so the person who watched morning joe has now shared that he was asking "what's going on with the administration?"

I'm still uncomfortable with this, it still doesn't pass the smell test and the kind of hair trigger way in which they "asked for her resignation" finally pointing out that she was "going to be on Glenn Beck tonight" isn't sitting well either.  Not that I want to go further with this but heck seems like morning joe already did....(alhough remember that I'm getting what went on on the program from another person, so I'm also getting what was said mixed with their own personal biases whether they realize their own personal biases are mixed in or not)  joe was asking "what is going on in the WH?"  Turns out that is a good question since we aren't in a vacuum.  This thread, the other thread can be read by anyone anywhere with an iphone.  The media is available all over the world. So, you can imagine what world leaders may be thinking about this.

158 57 We are supposed to take her word that she's been redeemed?  Do we take the words of other "former" racists?

That's the thing Malor and a lot of people aren't getting. She showed favoritism based on race in using government resources and violated the public trust. That should disqualify you from working in government, doesn't make any difference is she found redemption. She still shouldn't be working in a governmental capacity. The government shouldn't be in the second chance business when it comes to that.

If you saw the complete video made by the white couple she was helping, your statement would look stupid.
Blame FOX NEWS for all the hype, as usual. Come on guys are you that blinded or stupid to follow that inept company. HYPE HYPE HYPE.

 

159 Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans. But that isn't a firing offense.

It was a firing offense for Van Jones and Anita Dunn. Marxists have no place in American government, which is why our President goes to such lengths to call himself "centrist."

160 Sherrod was NOT fired. She resigned. She has no case.

161 If you saw the complete video made by the white couple she was helping, your statement would look stupid.

Don't order me to shine my boots in the middle of a fire-fight.  There will be time for recriminations later.

162

Instead, we dribble information in small quantities and fight the small battles.

There is a full out 24/7 war on by the MFM and the political lefty scum to lie the tea party into being "racist". They have no evidence but they continue to full out lie and repeat the lie over and over and over.

They are purposefully denegrating the Tea Party to destroy it's effectiveness before the elections.

This is a major battle in the big war.

Showing that the Naacp is more racist than any tea party (and from the audience reaction, the tape still proves that) serves to redirect the conversation away from the tea party non-existant racism toward at least a conversation about their own racism.

Obama's star began to fall when he said the white cop acted stupidly. He proved that he was not "post racial". Holder's refusal to apply remedy to the new black panther case hurts Obama because the moderate squishes realized that he isn't post racial.

Anything that stops their "RACIST" mantra or even delays it IS the Big Battle.

"Racism" is all they have right now.

163
...when the truth is what the Republicans said is they were for extending the benefits as long as they were paid for.

heheh, truth, he says.

Until the pussies for fairness and honor and accuracy understand what we're fighting, we'll never beat the Democrats at this vicious thing called politics. They lie all the time...while our side is sometimes afraid to tell the truth.

164 142 What's the deal on this thread? It's like we've gone mad. I'm on Gabe's side: oops, not a big deal, we have far, far bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2010 10:30 AM (FcR7P)

Then let us fry them, and not harm our own team in the process based on the enemy's own flimsy pretext, just so we can appear fair.

So, how is rooting out all that "RACISM" in the T.E.A. Party going? Is it making us stronger, or does it help spread the meme that the T.E.A. Party is racist?

It does the latter and is a huge idealogical drain upon our energies and those that enable that line of discussion should be publicly corrected at every opportunity.

165 Are the Spooners the only white farmers in Georgia? Where are all the other white farmers that she helped after she switched from racism to marxism? I mean, if they can find the Spooners in a day surely there must be many more farmers out there.

Right?

166

Have we gotten to the point in this country where it's not possible to get rid of a Marxist as an unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat?

 

Posted by: JohnTant at July 21, 2010 10:42 AM

Ask Osama Obama about that. Or Eric Shabazz Holder.

167 Were the spooners involved in this lawsuit?

168

If you saw the complete video made by the white couple she was helping, your statement would look stupid.

Yeah, because that was definately the couple she helped. Sure. There was only one 25 years ago and she and they had total recall.

169 137 Yep. And he made a fool of himself trying to apologize to the colored population and the MFM. Where did that get him? And the Republican reaction even after he profusely apologized all over the MFM - throw the bum out. How disgraceful.

What about George Allen who also profusely apologized for a misstatement? Did the MFM let this go?  Hell no. MFM skewered him and essentially ended his career.

I have no compunction is branding Sherrod a racist. I have no compunction in branding the NAALCP racist.

As #134 said:
You know who was a repentant racist?  Strom Thurmond.
You know who was an unrepentant racist?  Bob "White Ni**er" Byrd.  Let's see how history treats them.

Perhaps you'd like to defend Sheets Byrd?

 

170 The left is using Alinsky on us again.  Make us live by our own set of rules while they don't.  The left always intentionally edits video to make groups seem racist.

Breitbart is doing the right thing by saying, "hey I got the video and posted it."  This won't hurt him nor should it.  The Obamao administration said she was asked to resign not because of what she did 20 years ago but what she said 6 months ago.

This is over.  Move on, there is a real fight out there.

171 Sherrod is not fully redeemed. She is a bigot and a dumbass, but she did help that farmer and she did begin to open her eyes. Her bigotry is still there. Her speech might get her fired after a proper review, but it wasn't the slam dunk some folks see.

172 I'm tired of talking about racism. I'm pretty sure its making me a racist when I wasn't one before.

173
I want a poll to see how many of you pussies think less of Andrew Breitbart now.

174

My hash is racist.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 10:30 AM (bNngr)

Mine is just obscene.

175

Yeah, because that was definately the couple she helped. Sure. There was only one 25 years ago and she and they had total recall.

Posted by: dagny at July 21, 2010 10:50 AM (eIDUF)

Isn't it amazing that the media can find in one day THE white farmers she was discussing but they still can't find any evidence of the racial slurs screamed at the Black congressmen as they were walking into the capitol.

176
We're gonna see posts about this racist c*nt for days, aren't we?

177 To me this is just another story of "don't jump on any story right off the bat".

This actually hurts Breitbat most. He has now lost a lot of credibility. Of course, the MFM has no credibility to lose so WTF over.

And this quote from Rich Lowery:

Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south.

I am so sick of this BS. Every damn time you hear anything about racism you have to have a companion piece about the South. In fact, there was just as much racism in the North and the West as the South. The only difference was the South was honest about it and wore their racism on their sleeves. A little known fact is that the largest linching that ever took place occurred in Springfield, IL.

And one other thought on this, it very easy to be all full of anti-bigotry and anti-racism in places like Maine where you may see a black person once in your life and then only on a visit to the "big city".

178 Is anyone else a little surprised that "the spooners" were produced so quickly by a media that lately has had trouble finding its way out of a paper bag?  I mean could they have been trying to "punk the punkers"?

179 All this is arguing is meaningless and Brietbart still wins. Why? Because as much as Obama wants to appear post-racial as the elections roll up Brietbart has caused the leftist media to talk non-stop about race. Obama's white base is leaving in droves because everything is racial with him. Everything. They're tired of it and all Obama has left is his base. Obama and the left have been trying to keep that quiet until after November but Breitbart has them talking about it in overdrive. Breitbart, not the left, is driving the discussion. And it's all about race. The one thing Obama doesn't want.

180 Makes me wonder if they were even the white farmers she was talking about.

I've been wondering how anybody but HER can know that.

181 187

My hash is racist.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 10:30 AM (bNngr)

Mine is just obscene.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2010 10:51 AM (+FkcS)

Mine has been feminised as part of our greater society's war on awesome hashes.

182 when the video demonstrates the complete opposite of racism.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 21, 2010 09:49 AM (1TvCg)

Uh ... No.

183 #145
Its a good question.
Was the idea behind the whole thing just to embarrass Breitbart?
If so, that was a BIG screwup on the part of the one doing it.

#173
Sherrod has no case against Breitbart. He posted a video clip of her speaking at a public event.  So what?
 
She probably doesn't doesn't have a case against the White House since she serves at the President's pleasure (ie he can fire her at will).  Also, how is she going to make charges of racism stick against the White House?

Where Sherrod may have a case is against the NAACP.   To wit:

“Racism is about the abuse of power. Sherrod had it in her position at USDA. According to her remarks, she mistreated a white farmer in need of assistance because of his race.

We are appalled by her actions, just as we are with abuses of power against farmers of color and female farmers.

Her actions were shameful. While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man.”

They called her a racist, and she got fired.
Then they retracted their statement and blamed Breitbart.
Doesn't look good for them.

184 dagny and ChiJedi are right the "race card" bites both ways now. It now can enthuse some black voters, and embarrass some Republican voters - but will it embarrass Republicans enough to overcome their pocketbook issues and not discourage the middle who want to move beyond race.

185 154 Compare/Contrast

Gabe Malor 6/1/2009: [Judge Sotomayor] didnÂ’t just say that we need Latina judges because there are differences in the conclusions reached by a wise Latina and wise white man. Rather, she said that she thinks we need more Latina judges because the wise LatinaÂ’s conclusions will be better than the white manÂ’s. ThatÂ’s bigotry.

Gabe Malor 7/21/2010: ...it was a story about redemption and learning to overcome prejudice that had been chopped up

Wait, I know this one!!  Is it, Gabe's a lawyer and Sotomayor on the bench may actually affect him someday, whereas he doesn't expect to ever fear losing the family farm because some racist decides his attitude is too superior, so he can afford to cut Mrs. Sherrod some slack?

What do I win?

186 So she only *used* to be a racist? Is that like "used to be an alcoholic?" Oops, wrong blog to ask that rhetorical question.

187

We're gonna see posts about this racist c*nt for days, aren't we?

Unless another Mel Gibson audio clip surfaces. He's racist too, y'know.

188

Usually I just question your judgment, but today it seems we have hit the daily double with you. So by your reasoning, attacking Breitbart and eating our own harms the White House.

Yeah, that's real nuanced Gabe. Certainly well above my limited cognitive reasoning abilities.

When did I "attack Breitbart"? When did I "eat our own", Jim? Huh.

And to ya others: same bullshit, different day. I read up there that by not declaring that Sherrod is a racist is "bowing" to the moderates and the Democrats. Uh, no. I'm not gonna call somebody a racist when the video demonstrates the opposite. If you guys want to be like that, well, it's on you and your conscience.

I believe in things like a rule of law, due process, justice. Not knee-jerk firings for no reason but that the White House is scared of Glenn Beck. That's injustice. It is a mockery of the rule of law. It says very bad things about the folks that would support her firing.

189


When someone on the Left gets caught in the middle of a salacious scandal some on the Left defend. And some on the Left shut their mouths. They never apologize.

When someone on the Right IS ACCUSED of scandalous behavior none on the Right defend; some demand apologies; and the rest apologize.


 

190 Just the fact that people are now making "I'm a racist and so are you" lol hahahaha jokes means that the whole situation may not be having the desired effect, whatever that is.

191 188

Yeah, because that was definately the couple she helped. Sure. There was only one 25 years ago and she and they had total recall.

If you did your homework you would know they are still friends to this day. You are typical of what FOX NEWS breeds today. You believe everything they tell you, no questions asked, just believe. I guess it's what you WANT to believe. That's the only explanation.

192 Medicaid makes up 25% of many state budgets (states that are already broke).  The coming healthcare shit sandwich will explode this beyond comprehension.  All the while we are worrying about some(former?) racist woman talking to a racist group.  No wonder we keep losing.

193

meaning = I'm going to sue the shit out of the government for firing me.  - Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 21, 2010 09:43 AM (YVZlY)

No, meaning the NAACP and Ms. Sherrod are going to sue the shit out of Breitbart for making the government fire her..... 

194 What do I win?

Posted by: VKI at July 21, 2010 10:58 AM (LZK9H)

Gabe calling you names, saying that you are stupid, and then implying that you have some other more sinister motivation for your disagreement with his post.

You need to hurry up and denounce yourself.

195 And before everyone breaks their backs bending over to kiss this woman's ass, lets not miss out on two important facts;

1. She did in fact act in a racist manner originally even if she did atone for it and make up.

2. She was in fact making a speech at the most racist organization in the U.S., the NAACP and the audience was in fact eating up the most racist parts of the speech.

So yes, it was a mistake to jump on this hard to begin with. But is a huge mistake to turn around and break down in worship of this woman as well.

196 "207

meaning = I'm going to sue the shit out of the government for firing me.  - Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 21, 2010 09:43 AM (YVZlY)

No, meaning the NAACP and Ms. Sherrod are going to sue the shit out of Breitbart for making the government fire her..... 

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 21, 2010 11:03 AM (H6+4d)"

sounds good to us..

197 GABE - Did all those white farmers in Georgia get due process when Sherrod stripped them of their family farms? Even assuming she stopped being a racist at some point she had to have fucked over a number of people based solely on race hatred.

198

If Shirley Sherrod were white no one would care about the context of her remarks. She'd be out on her ass and rightfully so. Furthermore Breitbart in no way misconstrued her remarks. From AB's original post on the matter:

"In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn’t do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”. She refers him to a white lawyer.
 SherrodÂ’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groupsÂ’ racial tolerance."

 An accurate summation of the whatever version of the tapes you viewed.

199

No, meaning the NAACP and Ms. Sherrod are going to sue the shit out of Breitbart for making the government fire her..... 

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 21, 2010 11:03 AM (H6+4d)"

Whew...good luck with that.  Breitbart can't make the government do squat.

200

None of you chumps seem to get how this game is played.  (although at least Breitbart does!)  These are Alinsky rules!  No reason to be pissed at each other, or to care how this turns up.  That's not the point.  Here's how it works, since I've got to spell it out:

Racism is still a hot button issue for the left.  Alinsky says "make them live up to their own rules."  So Breitbart found a juicy stinkbomb and threw it into their midst.

It worked perfectly!  Look at all the stink it made!  Look at how much energy they've expended jumping around and hooting about the stink!!

THAT'S THE POINT!  THAT'S THE ONLY POINT!!!

Once the stinkbomb is tossed, walk away!  Forget about it!  Doesn't matter what happens or doesn't happen next, that's the enemies problem. We just need to look for the next stinkbomb, and to keep them coming fast enough that we are acting and that our enemies are always reacting.  This keeps them from ever going on the offensive - that's the key to Alinskey tactics.

So what happens to Sheila now?  Who cares!  For us, that's yesterday's news.  Find a new target, and fire!  Repeat, change targets, reload, fire.

Repeat daily!!!  From now until the war is won!!!!  THAT'S how a dirty civil cold war like the one we're in needs to be fought.   No surrender, no retreat, no wasted naval gazing time wondering if "this was too mean."   ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK - nothing else!!!!

and anyone without the stomach for playing the game on that level might as well drop out now.  

201 #186

This hurt Breitbart in my eyes.
Now he's a "9" instead of a "10".
But I'm a forgiving type, so he may still yet redeem himself.
Not incidentally, I don't feel sorry for Sherrod at all here.
She lost a job she shouldn't have had, that in fact, shouldn't even exist to begin with.

202 Heh. Fox News just ran through the timeline, pointing out that her resignation was demanded before Fox even aired the video.

203 Peter, why do you assume that the couple that Mrs. Sherrod is friends with today is the SAME farmer she's talking about in the video? 

Mrs. Spooner says Mrs. Sherrod sent her husband to a black lawyer. 

Mrs. Sherrod sent The White Farmer In The Video to a white lawyer - "his own kind," remember?

Are you under the impression there is only one white farmer in Georgia?

204 This is gonna result in Democrats holding 15 - 20 House seats this November they otherwise would've lost.

205 I used to be a racist but I realized it was wrong. Now I'm not, because as a person of color, I realized that the white folks are just stupid.

206 If you did your homework you would know they are still friends to this day.

If Ms. Sherrod did her homework she would have known her friend Mr. Spooner was still alive.

207

And to ya others: same bullshit, different day. I read up there that by not declaring that Sherrod is a racist is "bowing" to the moderates and the Democrats. Uh, no. I'm not gonna call somebody a racist when the video demonstrates the opposite. If you guys want to be like that, well, it's on you and your conscience.

I believe in things like a rule of law, due process, justice. Not knee-jerk firings for no reason but that the White House is scared of Glenn Beck. That's injustice. It is a mockery of the rule of law. It says very bad things about the folks that would support her firing.

WELL THOUGHT OUT, VERY INTELLIGENT POST

THANKS

208

I'm not a racist.  I helped a white farmer, once!

209 Pussies. Alinskied into shooting the messenger again.  You are too dumb to win.    Presented with a  chance to go for the win and you peed your pants.  Again.

When they assfuck the next Republican President, you will be whining.

210 Fox News!  Wingnuts!  Racists!

211
This place has gone full-on double RINO.

212
Hey, remember when Ace and the other fucking nitwit whom I won't name screamed at us for hours that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE CONTEXT OF JOE BARTON'S REMARKS WERE!???

It was all about the optics.

Remember that?

213

Unless another Mel Gibson audio clip surfaces. He's racist too, y'know.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2010 10:59 AM (+FkcS)

WAIT - I take it back. Mel can't be racist, two famous Black people said he's not.

214 VKI: Both can be true. In the full video Sherrod says she sent farmers to white lawyers and black lawyers. Ironically, she says the lawyers were all the same. "Nickel & Dimers" and bad at lawyering. She should get a Tea Party ribbon just for that comment.

215 This hurt Beitbart, how. I bet his unique eyeballs have skyrocketed, he's got Beck looking like a responsible adult, Obama and his AG department shooting from the hip and sending out press releases at 0230 like they are frigged NORAD. Beitbart rolled a critical hit when backstabbing - perfect.

216

heheheh, when the troll agrees with one of Ace's minions at AoS...

it might be time for Ace to rethink some shit.

217

WELL THOUGHT OUT, VERY INTELLIGENT POST

THANKS

Posted by: Peter at July 21, 2010 11:06 AM (E9Jde)

Gabe's most vociferous and enthusiastic supporters in this thread are the trolls.

Well played good sir!

218

To everyone passing on judgement on Breitbart and hand wringing, let's check the scoreboard

 

His contributions to conservatism and destroying the media = a lot

yours=????

 

Let's move on.

219 In the full video Sherrod says she sent farmers to white lawyers and black lawyers. Ironically, she says the lawyers were all the same. "Nickel & Dimers" and bad at lawyering.

She should get a Tea Party ribbon just for that comment.

Posted by: wtfci at July 21, 2010 11:10 AM (R4rMI)

I only heard about the white lawyer's incompetence.  She disparaged the black lawyer as well?

220

220 If you did your homework you would know they are still friends to this day.

If Ms. Sherrod did her homework she would have known her friend Mr. Spooner was still alive.

They are really close friends. She thought he was dead but they are really tight.

If I did my homework? Seriously?

I don't believe that the person described in the story is necessarily the people she dug up. It would make tons of sense to dig up the people she was friends with instead of the injured party. Could be those people or could be someone else. This was her job. She didn't just do this once.

221 "So Soros is putting together a media organization that is not for profit, so you can trust it.  remember he and hillary clinton brought you media matters" says Beck...

So he is tieing this in right now with this whole "mess"

222 I do enjoy that Beck didn't fall for being the bad guy. Nice.

223 You idiots and your Fox News.  They aren't JournoList^tm approved!

224 1. The Odipstick Admin acted stupidly.  Who knew the govt could act so fast?
2. It is clear enough question based on her background without the video statements whether Sherrod should even be in this position.  She is and was a party to a lawsuit against the Dept of Ag. and then gets a political appt there?
3. She should have her full record reviewed to see if there is a pattern of racism.
4. You don't need this video to see that the naacp is racist, look at videos of farakahn, wright, and sharpton. Look at the reaction of those audiences.  Interchange "black or african american" in those speeches with "white" and visa versa and tell me its not racist.

225 I don't believe that the person described in the story is necessarily the people she dug up.

So, who are the Spooners?  Anybody want to guess they're old Dem operatives from way back?

226

217 Peter, why do you assume that the couple that Mrs. Sherrod is friends with today is the SAME farmer she's talking about in the video? 

I don't assume.  I take Mrs. Spooner at her word.

227 This place has gone full-on double RINO.Posted by: Dang Straights at July 21, 2010 11:09 AM (fx8sm)

The zone defense of Sherrod today is in stark contrast to the group wilding Gabe and company gave Rand Paul a few months ago for his comments.

BTW: Gotta tell you, your hash -- kinda of fruity there fella.

228 I believe in things like a rule of law, due process, justice. Not knee-jerk firings for no reason but that the White House is scared of Glenn Beck. That's injustice. It is a mockery of the rule of law.

She resigned under pressure. Works for me. Why are you so concerned about
"injustice" being visited upon this Marxist scrunt? Injustice is what they do.

Goose, gander and all that.

That's injustice. It is a mockery of the rule of law.

Rule of law ended with the beginning of this administration. Contract law, specifically. Go ask some GM bondholders about that.

It says very bad things about the folks that would support her firing.

Meh. I'm the kind of guy who would look the other way if a known pedophile received some street justice.

I make exceptions to the rules based on my personal judgments -- the first being, I will do unto you, motherfucker, as you do unto me ... only worse.

Your mileage may vary. I know I don't want you on my side in a bar brawl, that's for sure.

229 I didn't know frigged was a word - should have been friggen', but my spellchecker fixed it for me. Learned something today, thank you Ace.

230 Everyone want to know what's going on? Soros and Breitbart are playing a game of Alinsky and AoS is Yakatusk.

231 Gabriel:
>>I believe in things like a rule of law, due process, justice. Not knee-jerk firings for no reason but that the White House is scared of Glenn Beck. That's injustice. It is a mockery of the rule of law. It says very bad things about the folks that would support her firing.

Lets be clear here.  Do you believe the only reason she got fired was because the White House is afraid of Glenn Beck?  Nothing more than that?

As a second issue, do you believe her firing was illegal? 

Even stipulating that this either or both are true, they reflect directly onto the Obama administration.   They're the ones with dirty hands here.

Personally, I doubt her firing was actually illegal, though it clearly appears to be an overreaction.   And while it may or may not have been morally right to fire her, I just can't get all worked up about it either.  Why was she hired to begin with?

232

"Of course this is lost on the average person, so to the public Breitbart looks bad. "

Nah, I wouldn't say that, I was one of those drones, a demon rat drone.  Because of the Internet, and what I saw in 2008, more and more average Americans are finally waking up and realisingt the MSM is hell bent on their propoganda, not bias, but pure propoganda.

remember the black dude who strongly believed in the 2nd amendent with a weapon at some rally, well MSNBS cut out everything except the man's face b/c he was black.

People saw on Glenn Beck what MSNBS, CNN did with respect to that story, and then yesterday they also saw Beck did not do what the left does, if there was a mistake, Beck informs his audience. MSNBS, CNN NEVER did that. They continued their propoganda.

What the "MSM" doesn't realise, trust is a commodity that they are losing at such an accelerated rate, and they don't even know it. 

BreitBart stirred all this up b/c the NAACP essentially  called anyone who opposes the community oraagnizer a racist, well BreitBart did a service to all of America by exposing the racism present in the NAACP as well the pure hypocracy in the Obama propoganda media.

233 After hearing Beck's take on this, this woman and her spooners and the NAACP aren't important to the story.

234

239 I don't believe that the person described in the story is necessarily the people she dug up.

So, who are the Spooners?  Anybody want to guess they're old Dem operatives from way back?

 

You know what, I don't believe you exsist. Are you nuts!!

235 If the trolls are happy, something isn't right.

236 She got thrown under the bus by the very means-justifies-the-ends fuckers that she got into bed with.

Really, how can you not love that?

237

Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south.

And this, THIS is video chosen to convince Americans once and for all that the  racist NAACP is racist. "Heartfelt and moving...."

I'll say it again: This. Fucking. Sucks.

Breitbart will go on to do good, useful things and will expose the truth on many subjects. But, unless he is holding back something, he needs to admit that the video may have been misleading. And move on.

And then try to find something convincing.

The speed in which Sherrod was dumped shows that the White House and the NAACP were on their heels, defensive. Now? Not so much.

238 229 This hurt Beitbart, how? I bet his unique eyeballs have skyrocketed, he's got Beck looking like a responsible adult, Obama and his AG department shooting from the hip and sending out press releases at 0230 like they are frigged NORAD. Beitbart rolled a critical hit when backstabbing - perfect.

Right on Jean. We need some ozium in here to get rid of the RINO/ wimp stink around here. Fuckity-fuck.

239 great, you guys pissed off the only co-blogger who us up before 1 pm, now we will be stuck with this lame post until Ace wakes up and washes the hooker spit taste out of his mouth

240 What do I win?

Posted by: VKI at July 21, 2010 10:58 AM (LZK9H)

A big trophy embossed with a plate that read Non-Sequiter of the Year.  Sotomayor was being nominated to the Supreme Court of the United States, a pretty important position.  She has made it clear that she believes that her race somehow makes her more qualified to hold that position than someone else of a different race.  That ought to be of great concern to anyone, as Sotomayor's decisions will soon be impacting our entire nation.

Sherrod was telling a story to a group of people at the NAACP, talking about how she performed an overt act of racism but how that act was the wrong thing to do - a completely different situation than Sotomayor. 

Is Sherrod racist?  I have little doubt she probably still has attitudes that could be considered so, but doesn't the story she related indicate that she felt she was in the wrong by doing what she did?

So, again, completely different situation.  Should Sherrod be fired?  Well, certainly someone should look into her activities over the last few years and see if there is any pattern of differential treatment towards people of various races.  If she is still judging people on race then yes, she should be dismissed. 

I for one think Gabe has a real point here, if we just jump to conclusions and go with the guilty before proven innocent stance on issues of race, then we really are no different than the liberals/progressives.

 

241

us=is

 

who is up.

 

damn proofreading

242 This enemy-on-enemy action is the kind of thing the Dems have exploited for years.  It's kind of sweet.  Let them burn their own house down.

243
Breitbart was on GMA this morning with George Stuffitupmyass and made his case very well.

He was on with the Think Progress liar.

244

Let's hypothesize that an entertainment magazine publishes some stuff about a US theater commander and the Commander in Chief orders an investigation instead of jumping the gun. 

Oh wait... 

245 so, the "graffitti art" from cameron says "tent city?"  Hmm that's an odd gift to give to BO, or is it?

246 Ben, aren't you too young to know what hooker spit tastes like?

247 If this is the best example Breitbart could find of racist speech and actions at an NAACP event, he's not looking very hard.

248 if my liberal howard dean-supporting mother-in-law is cheering on Breitbart, the demon's rat have no clue just much they have overplayed the race card.

249 Tami: In the more complete video posted by the NAACP, Sherrod goes on to rip a white lawyer and a black lawyer. She talks about how the lawyers would ask her about bankruptcy laws. She says "You're the lawyer." She goes on to tell the lawyers the farmers are not her clients. These might be lawyers like Roland Burris is a lawyer. They are more like hustlers with law degrees who draw their income from government spending where they "assist" the actual plaintiffs in obtaining what the government already has said it will give them. Sometimes, these hustlers don't even know the law in their own racket. So Chapter 12 bankruptcy isn't a subject they know, but it is why the state typically provides seminars to concerned citizens so they know exactly what options are available to use against the state's treasury.

250
o/t:  David Harsanyi nails it:

Obama lacks faith in the America people

"...Faith is often defined as having confidence or trust in a person or thing. In this case, though, faith means adding another $35 billion in unemployment benefits to the infinite intergenerational tab — sometimes referred to as the budget — and mailing out as many checks as possible before Election Day.

Yet, the jab is revealing in other ways. To begin with, what mysterious brand of public policy has Obama employed that exemplifies this sacred trust between public officials and the common citizen?

Was it the administration's faith in the wisdom of the American parent that persuaded it to shut down the voucher program in Washington, D.C., and continue the left's decades- long campaign denying school choice for kids and parents? Or was that just faith in public-sector unions?

Was faith in American industry behind the Democrats' support of a stimulus bill that was almost entirely predicated on preserving swollen government spending at the expense of private-sector growth?..."

251 @252 And this, THIS is video chosen to convince Americans once and for all that the  racist NAACP is racist.

It does.  Watch how the audience reacts to her story.

252 If the GOP fails to take the House this November it'll be all Breitbart's fault.

253

This hurt Beitbart, how? I bet his unique eyeballs have skyrocketed,

And that's what it's all about now?

254 Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south. GABE, your description of the video sounds like some terrible romance movie. And it's completely fucking wrong. This woman didn't reject racism. She just said that Karl Marx's cock tasted better than Rev Wright's. That doesn't make her redeemed or enlightened. Just a chronic cocksucker.

255 "254 great, you guys pissed off the only co-blogger who us up before 1 pm, now we will be stuck with this lame post until Ace wakes up and washes the hooker spit taste out of his mouth

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2010 11:24 AM (wuv1c)"

Ace must be exhausted, he was on the threads until I think like 4 am....I was doing laundry so it was planned that I be wholly exhausted today...lol

256 I'm waiting for another shoe to drop. Breitbart always has another shoe.

257 Is it just me or does she specifically say that it is "about white vs. black" even after she acknowledges that it's also about the haves vs. the have nots. How can anyone say that this woman isn't a racist? At most you could say that she regards class as more important than race but I don't see that you can say she doesn't regard race as an important issue that divides people.

258 beck may have dropped the other shoe but no one is listening

259 The broad has been exposed to be a crook:


Shirley Sherrod's Disappearing Act: Not So Fast
http://tinyurl.com/34t6g2m

260

Uh oh.  Barry pissed that the Repubs not stepping up to the plate to take their fair share of the blame for spending this country into the dark ages.

http://tinyurl.com/2d9t7ca

Evidently, Scott Brown has outlived his usefulness to the Knee Jerker in Chief.

261 Sounds like Breitbart got baited into a trap. Whoever sent him the video edited it and knew the whole context.

On Hannity(or Greta, not sure) Breitbart said it was some random dude who'd be trying to give him the video for months, but technical foul-ups kept getting in the way, when the NAACP started calling the Tea Party racist, Breitbart got pissed and re-contacted this anonymous dude who claimed he had dirt on the NAACP.

This whole thing sucks because it does detract, to some degree, from Breitbart's credibility. So the next video he unleashes the Left will say, oh, it's probably not true, or edited, or out of context, like that NAACP video.

He can recover, just make sure the next vid holds up under scrutiny.

262 We can be accurate, precise, and powerful all at the same time. The ACORN tapes prove that. Rathergate proves that. Don't be tempted by the Dark Side.

263 This is more proof of the Obama administration, the NAACP of engaging in racist politics. The other incident was when the White House had a rush to judgment when white Cambridge, Mass., police Sgt. James Crowley arrested black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. for disorderly conduct, and president Obama who immediately declared on national TV that "the police had "acted stupidly." In Massachusetts, meanwhile, a black sergeant who was with Crowley at Gates' home said Thursday he's been maligned as an "Uncle Tom" for supporting the actions of his white colleague, according to an e-mail that CNN said it received from the sergeant. The officer, Leon Lashley, said he "spoke the truth" about the arrest, and he said Gates should consider whether he "may have caused grave and potentially irreparable harm to the struggle for racial harmony." The additional failure of the Obama administration's Department of Justice to prosecute members of the New Black Panther Party with former DOJ attorney J. Christian Adams testifying before the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that the decision to drop the Black Panther case was politically motivated on the basis of race raises questions about whether or not Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department is being run on a political agenda from the White House. Finally, I wish to mention Shirley Sherrod did tell the white farmer to go home and get his fuckin' shinebox BEFORE she thought better and decided to help him (which is what her job position legally required of her). What I want to know is, previous to her enlightenment, how many other white people did she throw under the bus? Are they entitled to compensation?

264

I for one think Gabe has a real point here, if we just jump to conclusions and go with the guilty before proven innocent stance on issues of race, then we really are no different than the liberals/progressives.

I think a lot of posters are OK with that. If it helps us 'win'...something (election? unique pageviews?) they're OK with playing by the Left's rules. I disagree. That's not why I'm a conservative.

265

When did I "attack Breitbart"? When did I "eat our own", Jim? Huh.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 21, 2010 11:00 AM (NfIvb)

When you attack our own side, the metaphor for that is "eating your own". Were you trying to imply that I meant that literally? I hope not. So are you now saying you are supportive of Breitbart now?

If that is the case, then I applaud your change of heart.

266

 if my liberal howard dean-supporting mother-in-law is cheering on Breitbart, the demon's rat have no clue just much they have overplayed the race card. -

john ex-Dem: it's not just this issue, it's the AZ lawsuit and the HealthnonCare Scam that has alienated Indies and center dems from the 0bamacracy. This kerfluffle is good for some media play and LSM orgasming, but I don't see much repercussion at the ballot box 'cause the damage has already been done.

267 CJ And that's what it's all about now? For a media guy, like Beitbart - that and book deals. Cash is king, and clicks are cash -- not like he running for President as responsible, moderate, war-hero.

268 #272

I'm with you.

I'm more interested in what's next than dwelling on how "wronged" this woman was.

To the extent that that even happened, she can point the finger of blame directly on the NAACP and the White house, the one for explicitly calling her a racist, and the other for firing her in a kneejerk fashion.

269 I hope the story stays alive, more corruption here:

http://tinyurl.com/34t6g2m

270 If you think that this "hurt" Breitbart then you don't have what it takes to see this thing through. You can stay in the camp and cook and nurse the wounded but keep quiet and let the warriors do their job.

"OMG!!! Breitbarts hurt!!"

...spit.

Breitbart probably thinks you are a bunch of pussies too.

271

Jesse Jackson wants the WH to apologize for Sherrod's firing.

Circular firing squad or an "acceptable" way to redact a position?

272 So what is the peepsie poo here ? We pooped what we poo pooed we pee peed the Poople administration, so what we if pee pee pooped a poople pee from poopie poops under the poople of pee pee. The poops DO poople the pee! WE POOPIED !!!

273

LOL

CNBS saying the community organizer is going to speak about how the finreg legilislation will "help the mainstream/regular Americans"

LOL, let me tell you, I own a small business, I know plenty of small businesses, THIS IS ONLY HURT EVERY SMALL BUSINESSES.

No one is going to hire, there are 500 "areas of rules", which means a black check, these rules have not made up yet. 200 pages of defenitions.

Who the hell is going to hire new people. I know no small business in my area that is planning on expanding, a couple will be laying people off to get under the 50 employee mark.

American's greatest recession has already turned into a depression, this is only going to deepend it.

274 Tami: In the more complete video posted by the NAACP, Sherrod goes on to rip a white lawyer and a black lawyer. She talks about how the lawyers would ask her about bankruptcy laws. She says "You're the lawyer." She goes on to tell the lawyers the farmers are not her clients.

Posted by: wtfci at July 21, 2010 11:26 AM (R4rMI)

I did watch the complete video and I'll take another look/listen but everything you've described here, I only heard her attribute to the white lawyer.  As I recall, she said or implied all was well when she finally found a black lawyer to handle the farmer's case.

275
Can't tell the difference between the cob loggers and the trolls anymore.  Maybe they're one and the same.

276 "The audience wasn't taking things out of context, the audience was the context.  They knew that they were being told a formative story about a younger woman's experience.  Nodding and calling out in agreement or empathy is just a way of saying "I understand where you were coming from.""
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hmmmmm. I noticed she used "WHITE" farmer time after time, then said she sent him to a "WHITE" lawyer.


Someone is stuck on color of a persons skin. ( is that where the audience was coming from?)

277

Gabe sez:  What kinda fuckwits are gonna pass on the chance to injure the President's standing with blacks in favor of a not-true story labeling the NAACP as racist? Hello??!? McFLY???

You have to be kidding:  that's your take-away?  the wingnuts have missed another opportunity to hurt the President's "standing with blacks?"  He pretty consistently gets approval in the 90% range with the aforesaid group, does he not?  Have you applied for a spot on the RNC's crack staff?  I think they could use your insight.

278

Okay so you don't like the Sotomayor comparison.  Care to take a look at Gabe's comments and posting on Sheriff Arpaio?  He seems to save his wrath for people on our side.

 

Yawn. I have thousands of posts here, the extreme majority of which criticize leftists, leftism, terrorists, and criminals. But I write about one corrupt sheriff and suddenly "he seems to save his wrath for people on our own side." Poly, unless your "own side" is the side of Obama, bin Laden, and China, you're talking out of your ass.

279

For a media guy, like Beitbart - that and book deals. Cash is king, and clicks are cash -- not like he running for President as responsible, moderate, war-hero.

Sure. But you won't keep an audience if they determine you are a fake. I don't think he is, but he doesn't look like Superman anymore. For now.

 

280

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2010 11:32 AM (+FkcS)

my MIL is a very liberal when it come to social issues, much more thatn I am. But she is a fiscal conservative. and she is a liberal, in the classical sense, what liberalism used to mean decades ago.

And yes, she hates the DeathCare bill, she used to word as an acctn, she knows exactly what will happen, escpecially to her generation.

281  I wonder if Eric Holder approves of this conversation?

282 And the douchebags continue to squirt nonsense. She does not deserve her job back. She's a fucking racist. This story has certainly revealed a certain lack of killer instinct in the right, one which will cost it dearly in the end.

Malor and Morrissey now join Ace, Beck and many others on the conservative douchebag list. If I were the commissioner of blogs, I'd suspend them all for 6 months.

283 *blank check

284

 think a lot of posters are OK with that. If it helps us 'win'...something (election? unique pageviews?) they're OK with playing by the Left's rules. I disagree. That's not why I'm a conservative.

The left thinks the end's justify the means.  That I think is one of the major things that seperates the left and the right.

Hey, don't get me wrong, yes, I want to win the next election.  Yes, I want to have conservative ideas and conservative views triumph.

But what good is any of that if we become them in the process?  If we as conservatives decide to go down that road, then we cease being conservative.  We lose what should be at the very core of our beliefs, the notion that the process does matter.  That honesty, honor and truth are essential to our way of life.

I think Orwell put it best in his novel 1984:

"No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

285 The only way to resolve this matter is to sue the taxpayers. Again.

286

CJ - pull dat head out dat ass, boy.  There ain't no rules but the Left's rules anymore.   They won the rule-making game.  Our turn to win now.

And any Obama supporter already deserves to be crushed for that crime alone.  So I have no remorse for anything that happens to any of them.

287 O/T: I hate modern internet security, by the way.  If I want to log into online banking I have to provide about 5 different passwords

288 I have thousands of posts here, the extreme majority of which criticize leftists, leftism, terrorists, and criminals. But I write about one corrupt sheriff and suddenly "he seems to save his wrath for people on our own side."

People tend to remember others' more memorable exploits.

289 292
Can't tell the difference between the cob loggers and the trolls anymore.  Maybe they're one and the same.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 21, 2010 11:37 AM (fx8sm)

No, just Twitter buds. Notice that they are almost all hit and runs that stay limited to his specific thread. The real trolls will tend to free range across a few threads. I mentioned it before, and Gabe called me names. No one else seemed to care.

290 Fuck you Quill

Sounds like you came from NPR

I'm pissed about the reaction of the audience.  the ADMISSION of wrong doing, and "his kind" doesn't fucking sit well with me.

So piss off.  Fired, resigned.  Doesn't makes a difference to me.  One less race baiter GONE.

Good riddance to bad rubbish

291 I was going to post something pithy and probably sockpuppeted about the principals in this round robin Charlie Foxtrot, probably to do with poor discipline and judgement. But then I saw Gabe's posts scattered through, and wasn't sure I didn't log into LGF by mistake...

292
Mel Gibson was taken out of context, too.

293 162

Her firing was well within the rule of law and the (sic) Constituion. 

Clearly ethics don't come into play in your world. The body of work that was created by the Founders is supposed to generate a sense of ethics.  Without that ethic the country is doomed.  All the short cuts that Obama is taking to get his way are within the Constitution and the rule of law but not within the ethical structure that we expect our leaders to follow. 

294 You think the NAACP was energized in 2008?

Think calling the Tea Party racist was gonna bring out voters?

This will bring more many, many more Democrats to the polls this November and in 2012.

Looks like the GOP is gonna have to adopt a very long term strategy. People have long memories when it comes to issues of race. 2016 might even be too soon for a Republican comeback.

295

Malor and Morrissey now join Ace, Beck and many others on the conservative douchebag list. If I were the commissioner of blogs, I'd suspend them all for 6 months.

Guess you can ad me to that list too, at least for now.  Gosh, pity your not the Blog Czar - with the power to stifle any opinion that doesn't agree with your own. 

Why that's just what the founders of a great nation envisioned!  Assuming of course you think the Soviet Union was a great nation and that communism is a good idea.

Most of us conservatives however tend to adhere more to the notion that people should be free to disagree on things like this without fear of retribution.  We also tend to think that we should examine the facts and let them, rather than knee jerk emotional reactions, decide the best course of action.

 

296

Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south.

I guess I no longer have a heart because after watching the full video all I came away with was a greater understanding of where her racism comes from. 

 

297

Malor and Morrissey now join Ace, Beck and many others on the conservative douchebag list. If I were the commissioner of blogs, I'd suspend them all for 6 months.

Or, start your own blog where everyone has to agree with you or leave.

The cries of RHINO have begun to sound as convincing as the cries of RACISM from a certain group, whose acronym escapes me.

 

298
Question for the Shirley Sherrod fan club:

Is Shirley just as much of a redeemed racist as Bobby Byrd?

299

289--"so what we if unfairly forced out a Black woman from her job under the color of racism."

Cry me a river, pal.

300

I find it particularly interesting that the President/White House/NAACP didn't give Ms. Sherrod the benefit of the doubt before they panicked and demanded her resignation.  It is more than obvious that THEY never checked to see if there was more to this story before they acted.

My guess is that Mr. Breitbart never even considered for a minute that Ms. Sherrod would get fired - that's certainly not how this administration has acted in the past.  The fact that this all went down so quickly demonstrates that they KNEW that what she said was inflammatory, and they wanted this to all blow over before it had a chance to get out to the public.

THEY PANICKED - that should tell everyone everything that they need to know about how this administration operates, and that what Ms. Sherrod said yesterday is oh, so true: the administration is scared of FOX News and the Tea Party.  THAT'S what we need to focus on.....

301 today's discussion question:

How is this Brou-ha-ha like the ending of "Chinatown"  ??

302 CJ and SoS - what do counter-alinsky tactics have to do with core beliefs and why we are conservative. It is using the tactics of modern information warfare to win the battles over core belief systems. It is a battle for eyeballs, memes, and issues -- defining the issues, personalizing (as much as old George used anthropomorphic imagery) the attack, and moving on to seizing the initiative are all critical. It's a shame that modern conflict has innovators like Alinksy and Cloward-Pilven; but until a Mahan or Clauswitz steps up on the right we have read tha bastard's books and beat them at their own game.

303

" People have long memories when it comes to issues of race. "

Yes they do, I have donated to NAACP in the past, they used to have some very respected honorable members, now they are just an arm of mccartyism-like tactics. calling anything and everyone racsits that opposes the community organizer.

I was called a racist over and over for supporting Hillary and then Palin. my wife was called a racist, as well many of my friends including blacks and asians, and hell we were all democrats then.

Damn right, people have a long memory when it comes to being called a racist when they are not.  The race card expired Jan 20th, 2009, the LSM and demon rats haven't figured it out yet.

304 #301

And if "playing by the rules" means you *never* get to triumph.  If you always lose because you fight "fair" and the other side fights "dirty".

I'll put it another way.  If you're in a real fight, and your options are to A) go to the hospital or potentially die or B) Kick your opponent in the groin and gouge out his eyes, and walk away...what do you do?

Me, I vote for kicking my opponent in the groin and gouging out his eyes.  I'd rather be the one walking away, thanks.

305 Two things: The white house, naacp, jessie jackson embarrassing themselves and pointing fingers, beautiful, more popcorn.

Unfortunately, while we are talking about this, the marxist in chief is now signing that fin reg bill which does nothing but continue to take away our liberties and cash.  It will have little effect on corruption, the little guy gets screwd again.

306 Ouch. Looks like Gabe's not the only one here with CJitis today. I'll just lurk...over in another thread...where it's nice and calm. By local standards.

307 I owe Shirley Sherrod an apology, and I do apologize for leaping to my conclusion from the edited clip.  I believe that Sherrod should at least be offered her job back, and not because I support her politics (I donÂ’t) or think she should have been appointed to the position in the first place (thatÂ’s the prerogative of the White House).  She lost her job because of a controversy in which she had no role to begin with and didnÂ’t participate in, and regardless of any other considerations, thatÂ’s just not right.

- Ed Morrissey 7/21/2010

308
I have no remorse for anything that happens to any of them.

Nope.  Hangin's too good for 'em.

309 By appearing to prove that she is no longer a race-baiting bigoted fool, Shirley Sherrod has just lost her opportunity to become a forevertime hero to the Left. This woman could have been set for life. Now she'll just be forgotten.

310

Whew...good luck with that.  Breitbart can't make the government do squat.  - Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2010 11:05 AM (VuLos)

Oh, I know that, but you just know that is how this is going to be spun.  And if she gets a sympathetic judge/jury.......

311

Hmm.

Did the NAACP pay this woman to speak? 

Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?  

Wouldn't client confidentiality be an important consideration?

Was this woman not only neglecting her responsibilities while speaking, but doing so on the taxpayers' timeclock?

-- Methinks Shirley is not just a poor, poor victim in this matter.

312
wow.

Shirley Sherrod wasn't just taken out of context.

Shirley Sherrod never made that speech!

313 O/T: Treasonous fuckweasel Osama Obama is speaking. The usual mix of Muhammad Ali ("I am the greatest!") and Bush-blame.

The Constitution defines the criteria for impeachment as "high crimes and misdemeanors." The Traitor-in-Chief reached that plateau during his campaign, and has been adding plenty of fresh malfeasance to the list almost daily since Jan. 20, '09.

He has to go before causing any more damage.

The best way to render Pelosi, Reid, the NAACP, Black Panthers and all the other hate-filled goons and criminals impotent, to deprive them of any ability to further their anti-American agenda, is to deprive them of their prime enabler.

How about we put the small shit on the back burner and go after the prime target for once?

314
Hilarious that the leftist trash has the bawlz to lecture about 'ethics'.

315
By this afternoon we'll find out that Shirley Sherrod and the NAACP don't even exist.

It's all a ruse created by Glenn Beck and Fox News.

316

That it was a story about redemption and learning to overcome prejudice that had been chopped up.

At 1:06 in the original video she smirks knowingly when she says "I didn't give him the full force of what I could do."

Redemption doesn't look like that smirk, no way.

317
Mein Kampf was a story about a boy with a dream.

318 So.....it's cool for me to come back, right? Since we're all full of apologies lately for taking things out of context? Right...?

319

This is all starting over again . . . Breitbart is coming across as a Ringling Bros. Circus executive in a cashmere wool somebody listen to me suit. The part that gets me is the fact he now claims to be "agnostic", as stated on Hannity last night, on the totality and thrust of the video relative to how he spun it and the consequences it had.  Taking the high road of a greater cause.  This is all well and good but for the fact the subject matter he thrust into the public debate in order to justify his point is all about an incomplete video. You can't make chicken salad, sell it as prime rib and then say it was never about what was served. He needs to go back to David Banner mode and re-think playing the hulk because he sure is looking green.  

Ace - I thought we were through with this last night but this is going from bad to worse.  The democratic cement is forming around this narrative . . . folks . . . journalism is more than an art form.  

320

Ben Jealous on Monday:

Her actions were shameful. While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man.

The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action.

It seems to me that Mr. Jealous understood the context of her speech perfectly.

321

I believe in things like a rule of law, due process, justice. Not knee-jerk firings for no reason but that the White House is scared of Glenn Beck. That's injustice. It is a mockery of the rule of law. It says very bad things about the folks that would support her firing.

Assume that she was fired instead of resiging.

What specific law was violated?  What due process wasn't met?  A political appointee serves at the pleasure of the President and can be removed at any time. 

Rule of law means little when we're talking about who serves in the President's Court.  And though one may deplore her firing on subjective grounds, trying to cast it as illegal isn't a very flattering position either.

322 I think I've now definitely seen the whole thing, but in pieces. I hate my computer/YouTube sometimes.
The segment (over at Breitbart) featuring Sherrod lamenting a land sale to a white man is a pretty good indicator of how she sees the world. Whether it's "her fault" (or whatever) isn't the issue, the issue is the woman has serious racial issues and needs to be called out on them before she wends her further into our Government. Also, her experiences "down South" were in the mid-Eighties, the age of Pac-Man and Jams, not exactly the Jim Crow South, so I don't give her a "it was a story from a long time ago" mulligan.

323

just read this at businessinsider dot com

"Two More Massage Therapists Accuse Al Gore of Sexual Assault "

324

To Stuck On Stupid - Here's a hard fact about winning wars.  *Everyone* who has ever won a *Real* war has done it by becoming just as hard, just as ruthless, just as merciless as the side they're trying to defeat.  There's a name for fighters that won't do that - it's "Losers".

Did the US win WWII by using only rubber bullets and peace overtures, or did we wipe out 150,000 civilians with one nuke?  And then another 90,000 a few days later?  Did we beg the Germans to play nice or did we burn most German cities to the ground?  We didn't take any SS men prisoner - they were mostly all shot on the spot, and no one felt bad about it - same for the Japs.   That's how wars are won, let the next generation - the one with no responsibility for actually *winning* the thing sanitize the record and pretend that their forbears were a lot daintier than they actually were. 

That's the kind of war we're in now - a fight for our very survival.  If we lose this fight, we lose everything - so there are no longer any rules.  Anything that serves to divide, distract, and demoralize the Enemy is justified. Let a future generation worry about the morality of it *after* we win.  That's their luxury, but it's not ours.  And those who oppose us are no longer our countrymen - they are truly our mortal enemies, and we must treat them as such.

 

325 The race card expired Jan 20th, 2009, the LSM and demon rats haven't figured it out yet.

Actually the race card expired in 1964 but who is counting.

326 Mrs Sherrod should not get her job back.  She admitted that she initially did not do everything she could do for the farmer based solely on the race of the farmer.  This is a clear violation of the farmer's civil rights.

327 Teresa in Fort Worth,

Exactly! Rightousness may or may not win the battle but fear will win the war. The winners will be one ones that master their fear.

328 But what good is any of that if we become them in the process?  If we as conservatives decide to go down that road, then we cease being conservative.  We lose what should be at the very core of our beliefs, the notion that the process does matter.  That honesty, honor and truth are essential to our way of life.

Bullshit.  There is no moral equivalence.

I want to be left alone.

They want to take my shit and make me dance to whatever tune they feel like playing.

At day's end yesterday, one of theirs was sent to the showers, and the seeds of discord are taking root on their side.  The NAACP, Vilsack, and the administration are all backtracking on things they may not have needed to have done or said.

These are their tactics.  Cheering the fact that these tactics were effective against them does not change the fact that I want to be left alone.

If those fuckers don't want this kind of shit pulled on them, then they should never have used them in the first place.

Plate-glass windows, Christmas cards, and a state of constant fear is the battlefield that they chose.

329 Posted by: matthew j. o'connor at July 21, 2010 11:55 AM (8EEyy)

Do you have a blog you could link to?

330 "She's my sister!  ( slap ) She's my daughter!  ( slap ) She's my sister AND my daughter !!!!!!"

"......C'mon, Jake.  Forget it.  It's Chinatown."

==  This is THEIR manure pile; don't dive in ( the Stink abides )  ==

331

CJ - pull dat head out dat ass, boy.  There ain't no rules but the Left's rules anymore.   They won the rule-making game.  Our turn to win now.

This, sir, is why Crow and Mike dumped your ass.

Surley you've noticed that the rules have been slowly changing. The Left said Wright didn't matter. But Obama had to scramble to save his campaign. The Left said Van Jones didn't matter. He's gone. The Left said ACORN didn't matter. De-funded (kinda.) And so on...

They don't make the rules about What Matters anymore because they can't. They don't control the gates to information anymore.

You can't seriously want to write off every Obama voter. Guaranteed election losses if you do.

332 Well we certainly get off point easy don't we? The press look in our direction and we balk and the "opinion leaders" turn on the troops. Meanwhile the press kills the story without lifting a finger.

333

NOBODY seems to get it..

Imagine a White woman speaking at a TEA PARTY BANQUET, telling how she once discriminated against a BLACK FARMER in her official capacity within the WISCONSIN agriculture office.

Would that person be an acceptable hire for Sarah Palin should she become President.

334 Malor and Morrissey now join Ace, Beck and many others on the conservative douchebag list. If I were the commissioner of blogs, I'd suspend them all for 6 months.

Malor, Ace and Beck don't deserve to be lumped with notorious squish Morrissey. Having a thought-out opinion that differs from yours doesn't necessarily indicate less allegiance to good principles.

I haven't seen either Gabe or Mr ofSpades fall into the pit of saying "on the other hand," "to be fair," or any of the weaseling that dominates Tepid Air.

What I do see is too many commenters here falling into the ways of Kos. Instead of reason, they fall back on buzzwords ("Alinsky," "Cloward-Piven," etc.) and spew vitriol rather than questioning and discussing.

At heart, the majority of us are on the same side. It'd be good to keep that in mind.

Also: remember that censorship ("I'd suspend them all for 6 months") is evil, no matter who proposes it.

335 MikeO and Tom Servo get it.

336
I just watched the WHOLE video.  And Rich Lowry's assessment is spot on.

She should be offered her job back.

337

just read this at businessinsider dot com

"Two More Massage Therapists Accuse Al Gore of Sexual Assault "

We all knew THAT was coming...to a second chakra near you.

338 How bout some good news: Stolen from HA who stole it from Quinnniapacbuyavowel:

The latest national survey from Quinnipiac of registered voters give Obama their lowest approval rating of his presidency, 44%, with 48% disapproving:

Voter approval of the PresidentÂ’s handling of some of the nationÂ’s problems shows:

Disapprove 56 – 39 percent of his handling of the economy;Disapprove 46 – 43 percent of his handling of foreign policy;Disapprove 51 – 41 percent of his handling of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill;Disapprove 58 – 30 percent of his handling of illegal immigration;Approve 46 – 34 percent of his nomination of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court.

339

When did I "attack Breitbart"? When did I "eat our own", Jim? Huh.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 21, 2010 11:00 AM (NfIvb)

When you go all out Dr. Phil explaining her tortured "path" of self-actualization even defending her use of racist language as a literary tool to explain how far her epiphany had come and adding sugar, syrup, chocolate sauce, and whipped cream it looks like you are a full out naacp lackey.

340
Folks- it's 45 minutes long - but watch the entire video.

341

I successfully used the race card my entire career and it never let me down. 

It'll always work in places like California.

342

Answer up, cocksuckers!

Cocksuckers!!

343

Sure, she's a Marxist and she doesn't like the Tea Party or Republicans. But that isn't a firing offense

I beg to fucking differ. Being a Marxist isn't just a firing offense - it's cause in my book to deport the bitch. There's no such thing as an American Marxist. You are either one or the other.

Look, everyone is saying "Oh, story of redemption, blah blah blah".

Bullshit.

It was and is a story of a fucking bigot in front of a crowd of fucking racist bigots cheering the first bigot as she described her crimes in the past with glee. Later on, she put in the standard "oh but I wuz wrong, etc etc" to give herself deniability - but the central FACT is that the woman committed crimes based on people's race in an official position and only ONCE has she admitted to an incident where she did so. I doubt that she only fucked one guy over due to his race in 25 years. Bigots tend to amass large body counts, especially those with power.

344

Here's a hard fact about winning wars.  *Everyone* who has ever won a *Real* war has done it by becoming just as hard, just as ruthless, just as merciless as the side they're trying to defeat.  There's a name for fighters that won't do that - it's "Losers".

We may disagree on what "winning" is.

Elections? Control of the government? Exposing racism on the Left? Best blog post?

345

David Frum put out an article lambasting the evil conservative media

 

in good company.

346 To those who don't want to fight using Alinsky's rules - what have you got: Robert's Rules of Order or Robert Rodger Rules of Ranging; Marquess of Queensberry rules or one way flights to the South Atlantic -- put some tactics out for staffing.

347 Stop having sympathy for Sherrod. She's a leftist. She wants you enslaved or dead. She doesn't have any sympathy for you. Stop treating politics like a debate from your days at prep school. This isn't an intellectual discussion amongst those who have a peaceful disagreement. The left wants the world to burn and you right along with it. Sherrod being a racist pales in comparison to the true evil of socialism and the millions of people that ideology has killed. Sherrod is an agent of that evil. She won't be debated. She won't be redeemed. She won't be merciful. And neither will her leftist overlords. Nazi Soros is hoping to outdo Hitler. Sherrod is his brown shirt. So fuck Sherrod and any suicidal sympathies you may have for her. Stop idolizing the evil. Start educating the ignorant. And like Breitbart, knock out more cogs in the leftist machine. Shame them, ridicule them, show their evil, ostracize them. Don't give them a shred of power or sympathy. Crush them and let them live out their pitiful lives knowing they have been relegated to the dustbin of history.

348 #355 Well of course you are right. Those of us livid about this are only livid because we see how futile it is to play by the "rules" (as if there ever were any in politics) while the other side burns down your house and rapes your dog. But then we turn into the bad guys because we refuse to back down or apologize. Racist is what she was, racist is what she is, and I didn't fire her. Obama did.

349

MikeO.   You are exactly right.

After pissing all over themselves and kicking us in the balls, LIBTARDS tell us we are CONSERVATIVES, we aren't allowed to fight back.

It's pure Alinsky.  The have no standards, but they try to hold us to a standard.

350 273 Is it just me or does she specifically say that it is "about white vs. black" even after she acknowledges that it's also about the haves vs. the have nots.

No, it's not just you.  She never lets go of the race issue throughout the speech. But this is just confirmation that she is the opposite of a racist.

351

Malor and Morrissey now join Ace, Beck and many others on the conservative douchebag list. If I were the commissioner of blogs, I'd suspend them all for 6 months.

 

Allah is still vacillating. Shirley may be a Christian but she probably hates Palin but Beck defended her fast firing. Allah is so confused. He doesn't know where to come down on this. Probably that the left is right

 

Ahhhhhhhh. Here's Rush. Now for some sense.

352
Imagine a White woman speaking at a TEA PARTY BANQUET, telling how she once discriminated against a BLACK FARMER in her official capacity within the WISCONSIN agriculture office.

THIS.

353 Stop having sympathy for Sherrod. She's a leftist.

She's a leftist who was possibly appointed as part of a class action settlement where she got millions of dollars from the Ag Dept.

http://tinyurl.com/34t6g2m

354

Really. Is that why the Healthcare and Financial Bill were passed because they don't control the information gates?

Didn't a majority oppose Obamacare? I'd say, no, they clearly did not control the information on that.

They still control MFM, and to the extent that MFM has influence, the Left has influence. But it has clearly dwindled. We don't need to mislead people to "win."

355 Winner.

It's irritating to me that we've got easy-peasy story on how cowardly the Obama Administration is on race -- hello AG Holder -- and folks would rather go on about Sherrod's or NAACP's racism when the video demonstrates the complete opposite of racism.

Actually, it's beyond irritating. What kinda fuckwits are gonna pass on the chance to injure the President's standing with blacks in favor of a not-true story labeling the NAACP as racist? Hello??!? McFLY???

It won't harm him one bit with blacks, they'll just blame Fox News, tea partiers and hire her back. Which is exactly what they're doing now.

356 What I do see is too many commenters here falling into the ways of Kos. Instead of reason, they fall back on buzzwords ("Alinsky," "Cloward-Piven," etc.) and spew vitriol rather than questioning and discussing.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2010 12:02 PM (Ulu3i)

Yeah, 'cause Gabe calling fellow posters stupid and implying that they are hiding behind a dark and prejudicial motive for disagreement is like totally cool.

You are new here, right?

357 How exactly do I get certified as the opposite of a racist?
That would look pretty sweet on my business cards.

358 313

Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south.

I guess I no longer have a heart because after watching the full video all I came away with was a greater understanding of where her racism comes from. 

 

Posted by: Naan at July 21, 2010 11:45 AM (GARYj)

Yeah...i didn't get that warm fuzzy feeling either.  Someone needs to smack some sense into Rich Lowry on this one.  No quarter for these liars and cheats. Why are all these talking heads missing the bigger stories here, why so friggin squisshy?

 

 

359 Malor, Ace and Beck don't deserve to be lumped with notorious squish Morrissey. Having a thought-out opinion that differs from yours doesn't necessarily indicate less allegiance to good principles.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2010 12:02 PM (Ulu3i)

I agree.  Gabe and Ace are just a bit too touchy about a minor error in the initial communication of the story.  Breitbart got taken a bit on the circumstances of the clip, but he cut nothing out and explained everything that was in it. 

The only thing that made this big was that it went viral (though there was nothing as bad in this clip as in many other clips of NAACP meetings or words of their leadership - or even Rev Lowery's wish that "white will accept what's right" in the friggin' inauguration!!!), the NAACP (who had the full tape) immediately issued a condemnation, and the White House forced her to resign.  Breitbart had nothing to do with any of that.  The funny part is that, of the "right", the only one I know of who called for her ouster was O'Reilly.  LOL.

360

I just watched the WHOLE video.  And Rich Lowry's assessment is spot on.

She should be offered her job back.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 21, 2010 12:03 PM (0fzsA)

And reparations.

361 Shirley Sherrod and the shame of conservative media

When Andrew Breitbart unveils a selectively edited tape to defame a federal employee, conservatives blame Barack Obama

You want to see media bias in action? Okay — look at the conservative media reaction to the firing of Shirley Sherrod.

-David Frum: 7/21/2010

Now she's defamed, don'tcha know. By the end of the week her portrait is going to be on the back of the new $50 bill.

362 You can't seriously want to write off every Obama voter. Guaranteed election losses if you do. There is your mistake CJ, we don't care about getting the Obama voters - we just need to get more of them to stay home then our own who are too busy to vote. Politics isn't a zero-sum game determined by the voting population -- it is all about excitement, motivation, organization, and turnout. Demotivate theirs, and excite our own - while not scaring theirs provides electoral victories for "Republicans" - who will at least consider implementing (or not blocking) conservative values into a limited government.

363

CJ and SoS - what do counter-alinsky tactics have to do with core beliefs and why we are conservative. It is using the tactics of modern information warfare to win the battles over core belief systems. It is a battle for eyeballs, memes, and issues -- defining the issues, personalizing (as much as old George used anthropomorphic imagery) the attack, and moving on to seizing the initiative are all critical. It's a shame that modern conflict has innovators like Alinksy and Cloward-Pilven; but until a Mahan or Clauswitz steps up on the right we have read tha bastard's books and beat them at their own game.

If you feel we have to do that to win, OK. I don't. I always thought we could win on the strength of our ideas, and that we just needed to be able to  get those ideas out there. Now we can.

I firmly believe the Right can win on racial issues. People are failing to realize that, at least on racial politics, Americans have been hearing ony one side for DECADES. That has changed. The mere fact that they can now hear us is so powerful that we don't need to use the Left's dishonest gimmicks. On this issue, at this time, we can win on truth. Snicker if you want, but I am 100% convinced.

364 Black Shirley gets a Second Look.  Okay....

Where's Robert Bork's second look?

Sarah Palin's second look?

Or that Reagan Cabinet guy who told the joke about Blacks only wanting three things:  a tight pussy, a comfortable pair of shoes, and a warm place to shit?

365

RDLN Graduate and Board Vice Chair Shirley Sherrod was appointed Georgia Director for Rural Development by Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack on July 25. Only days earlier, she learned that New Communities, a group she founded with her husband and other families (see below) has won a thirteen million dollar settlement in the minority farmers law suit Pigford vs Vilsack.

Interesting.

366 Or that Reagan Cabinet guy who told the joke about Blacks only wanting three things:  a tight pussy, a comfortable pair of shoes, and a warm place to shit?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, shot in the toodles by Grandma ( again ) at July 21, 2010 12:16 PM (JrRME)

I only remember that from Kentucky Fried Movie ... though I thought it was, "loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit"

367 Or that Reagan Cabinet guy who told the joke about Blacks only wanting three things:  a tight pussy, a comfortable pair of shoes, and a warm place to shit?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, shot in the toodles by Grandma ( again ) at July 21, 2010 12:16 PM (JrRME)

Perfectly reasonable requests.

 

368

I think they fired her so quickly because they know what goes on at these meetings and had a pretty good idea of what might have happened in this case.

Now it wasn't vile, just...awkward.  A comparison would be Byrd's "white n*****" interview, which was supposed to be a repudiation, of a sort, of his racist past.  Awkward

I think we really need to point out that Obama is VERY eager to throw black people under the bus.  Everybody knew the thing was half of a speech.  He has absolutely no patience for independent black politicians (Paterson, for example.) That's his schtick and nobody else should get in on his racket.

 

 

369 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2010 12:02 PM (Ulu3i)

I agree.  Gabe and Ace are just a bit too touchy about a minor error in the initial communication of the story.  Breitbart got taken a bit on the circumstances of the clip, but he cut nothing out and explained everything that was in it. 

That's like a mechanic saying . . . its a technical error I forgot to put oil in your engine . . . in fact, I'm actually agnostic on the whole issue.  Lets talk about cars but just not yours.

370
too many commenters here falling into the ways of Kos.

Then maybe you should go back to kos, kiddie.

371 Earl Butz.  Nixon/Ford administrations.

372 CJ @ 387 If you feel we have to do that to win, OK. I don't. I always thought we could win on the strength of our ideas

I don't see why we can't have a two-pronged attack strategy.  Yes, we have stronger (and better) ideas, but we also need to fight fire with fire when necessary.  Especially when it comes to making the left live by their own rules.  It is they who have shoved political correctness down everyone's throats.  It's about time they choked on it for a change.

373

When do the ends justify the means:  The ends justify the means when, for either a man or a country, your life and everything you hold dear is in danger of being lost forever.  If there is a reasonable chance of survival by less stringent methods, then take that way out, by all means!  War is always a last resort.

BUT.... when you have reached that last resort, when survival is truly in doubt because of the actions of the enemies, then THERE ARE NO RULES.   There is only the end.  Winners can change and find the morals that are popular once the war is over - losers never do, because they do not survive the conflict. 

And as far as writing off Obama voters - quite a few of those have repented because their eyes are open and they are honest.   Those people I am still proud to claim as my countrymen.   But ANY who *still* support Obama and who will still vote for Democrats this November, even after all that has been happened and all that has been disclosed - Those people are not simply my enemies now, but they are my Enemies for life, and until I can safely rest knowing that they have been absolutely and utterly defeated.

And of course, in this kind of conflict that doesn't need to mean physical defeat, as in a shooting war - just knowing that they are so demoralized and disheartened that they choose never to vote again is good enough for me.

And one more thing - they already hate us.  Nothing we ever do will change that - but also, nothing we do can make them hate us any more than they already do, because that isn't possible.  So why worry about that?  Once someone hates you that much, you're free to do anything you want, because it doesn't really matter anymore.  Nothing will change - except maybe you'll win a few rounds and they'll start losing. 

374

I only remember that from Kentucky Fried Movie ... though I thought it was, "loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit"

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 21, 2010 12:19 PM (Qp4DT)

You say poe-tay-toe, I say poe-TAH-toe

It was comfortable shoes, not 'loose shoes'; betcha a nickel that's what James Watt said

375

There is your mistake CJ, we don't care about getting the Obama voters - we just need to get more of them to stay home then our own who are too busy to vote.

So, Reagan was wasting his time with those Reagan Democrats, Jean? I am familiar with the dreary tactic of depressing the other side's base. Sure, we want to crush the spirits of hardcore Democrats. We can do that.

But dismiss Independents and independent-minded Democrasts? Reject growth in favor of getting out our (demographically dwindling) base? Bad idea.

Plus, I don't do all of this -- blog stuff, debating, election volunteering and running myself -- merely to serve a party. It's a bit bigger than that.

376

Is Journolist driving this distraction??????

THEY ought to be the story of the last two days.

377 If you feel we have to do that to win, OK. I don't. I always thought we could win on the strength of our ideas, and that we just needed to be able to  get those ideas out there. Now we can.

The strength of ideas works only in an environment where truth and reason are respected.  We do not have that. 

What we have, instead, is a world of plate-glass windows, bloody Christmas cards, and imposing states of constant fear (meant rhetorically, of course).

Putting a teaspoon of wine in a barrel of sewage leaves a barrel of sewage.

Putting a teaspoon of sewage in a barrel of wine leaves a barrel of sewage.

Public discourse is already a barrel of sewage.  It buys nothing to insist on adding only wine to it.

378 Yeah...i didn't get that warm fuzzy feeling either.  Someone needs to smack some sense into Rich Lowry on this one.  No quarter for these liars and cheats. Why are all these talking heads missing the bigger stories here, why so friggin squisshy?

It's who they are, it's what they do.

379 CJ, I always thought we could win on the strength of our ideas, and that we just needed to be able to get those ideas out there. Now we can. How, the internet? The internet is "pull" media - people have to want to read or watch something. They need to be driven to it or attracted to it by controversy, scandal, or hype. The internet accelerates Alinsky's tactics but does little to help blunt them. Do we need another gatekeeper like WFB to define us - yes, as a defense against association with nuts - but standing tall and silent in the corner isn't going to work, people are too bust and information to fractured for that to work.

380 Earl Butz.  Nixon/Ford administrations.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:22 PM (5aa4z)

yeah, you be right.  Watt ( not the steam engine guy ) committed Other Crimes

Your White Guilt Kung-Fu is stronger than mine...........

381

You know what I'd love to see released?  The voicemails telling Sherrod to resign.  In particular, the third one.  Oh, how I can already taste the sweet shadenfreude that could only come from some shrieking ninny on the phone...

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  YOU'RE GONNA BE ON GLENN BECK!  RESIGN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

It should give Glenn a tinge of pride that he has become the Official White House Boogeyman.

382

Sherrod and her husband are RACE HUSTLERS.

EDUCATE YOURSELVES.    She got her job through racial grievance.

You fucking squishes are quick to embrace those who would rape you.

This woman is ALL about race.  And you fall for the bullshit.

383

I don't see why we can't have a two-pronged attack strategy.  Yes, we have stronger (and better) ideas, but we also need to fight fire with fire when necessary.  Especially when it comes to making the left live by their own rules.  It is they who have shoved political correctness down everyone's throats.  It's about time they choked on it for a change.

Gran, I would rather change the rules then play by theirs. I don't see the issue of black racism as just political correctness. It is real and Breitbard kind of screwed up choosing this video to make the case.

Maybe not on all issues, but on racial politics I just don't think we need to be libtarded about things.

384
Watch the entire video and decide for yourself.
I cannot in good faith find anything wrong.
I stupidly commented after only watching the partial video.

No talk of reparations...  The right looks dumb and so does the administration for firing her.

Next.


On to the next racial witch hunt!


and no - that doesn't mean I think the asshole-left get a pass for their guilt-by-association/false reporting of racism within the "Taxed Enough Already" movement.

385 Posted by: matthew j. o'connor at July 21, 2010 12:21 PM (8EEyy)

Please.  The NAACP had the whole video.  They couldn't even get it out right after all this shit went sideways, as they STILL needed to check it, themselves, I guess.  LOL.  Maybe they could have taken 40 minutes to check it before they issued their initial condemnation?  This is usually called "consciousness of guilt", as if anyone still had doubts that the NAACP was nothing but a retarded, left-wing, race-obssessed organization.

And this clip was pushed forward because the NAACP was persisting in using lies and fabrications in their fatwa against the Tea Parties, holding to the already debunked claims about racial slurs and spit flying at the lying, dipshit Congresscritters.  Blame them.

Maybe you can get the LA Slimes to release the Khalidi tape, while you're at it?  I'd be happy with little itty bitty segments of it, even.  Anything.  Thanks.  Let me know how it goes.

386 When do the ends justify the means:  The ends justify the means when, for either a man or a country, your life and everything you hold dear is in danger of being lost forever.

I'm sorry, Tom, but I think you're chasing a red herring.

The question is not whether the end justifies the means. 

The question is whether the means used against you can justifiably be used in your defense.

387 Bullshit bullshit bullshit


How many times are we going to get kicked in the teeth and then examine ourselves and the situation under a microscope and give as MUCH credit as possible to the person kicking our faces in while we APOLOGIZE (the FUCK?!) to them? The GOP has never fought back against any claim of Racism.  WE the constituents have had to bare that brunt while the cocksuckers  go on fucking THE VIEW and berate us and our 'insensitive' ways.   It would be NICE if everyone played by the rules, but that just doesn't happen any more.  I want my country back, and I want every single racist drummed out of town.  This is EXACTLY how BHO came to be our President.  He sat back and just held up the racist card any time ANYBODY question anything about him or his associates. 

I for one am SICK AND GOD DAMN TIRED of being called a racist by the very pieces of trash who actually perpetrate it.

We aren't going to win the PR battle EVER.  for Chirst sakes we found evidence of the liberal media conspiring to discredit us, and your going to sit there and say "weeeelll  we have laws that SHOULD discourage this sort of thing" while you take ANOTHER dick in the ass.

388 Maybe Vilsack asked for her resignation so quickly is he hoped the controvery over the tape would keep everyone from knowing that her appointment  seemed pretty damn shady considering the settlement of $13 million.

389 She has a Master's from Antioch University.

I know that school.  It's nearby.  It is a Marxist lair of the worst sort.

390 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:19 PM (5aa4z)

Posted by: gus at July 21, 2010 12:28 PM (Vqruj)

Yeah, i posted a link to that last night, our betters weren't interested. Guess it took away from their heart warming tale of a woman who decided it was ok to throw whitey a bone as long as it didn't interfere with her helping blacks.

391

The strength of ideas works only in an environment where truth and reason are respected.  We do not have that. 

But we're closer than ever. At least in my lifetime.

What we have, instead, is a world of plate-glass windows, bloody Christmas cards, and imposing states of constant fear (meant rhetorically, of course).

You keep quoting from opinion writers on Journolist. They're opinion writers. Liberals. On this topic, race, their tactics have diminishing effect and we don't need to copy them. Other topics? We might have to.

392

Why would Sherrod accept her job back now that she is guaranteed two years of unemployment compensation?

Heck, she can even have a good lawsuit against the driver of the bus who through her under it.

Wrongful termination, hostile work environment, the icky people caused hurt feelings, pay her $$$$$$$ or she will drop about 352 dimes of insider information on them, etc.....

Doesn't make any difference if "she resigned". She was actually fired.

She gonna be a rich lady.

393 News flash ( proven by over 50 years of polling)

Most people don't vote on ideas

Most people vote on ( a ) one issue, or ( b ) a superficial evaluation of whether times are good or bad, or ( c ) without ANY 'issue content'  ( race, attractiveness, eyes too close together, voice, mannerisms, etc )

394 O/T From The Corner:
The DC has crossed a kind of Rubicon in deciding to print e-mails from an off-the-record distribution list. There is probably a good journalistic (and undoubtedly a good financial) argument for doing so. But to avoid charges of sensationalism, the public should be able to see the context in which the most incendiary remarks were made. It won't change the indiscriminate call to brand conservative critics of Obama as "racists" or the intemperate wish for Rush Limbaugh's untimely demise. But it will reveal whether such comments were aberrations, and make clear how other members of the list responded to them at the time.

Every time we score against the libs some conservative pundit wants to fuck it all up out of some sense of fair play.

395 i posted a link to that last night

I know koopy.  I thought it plenty important and that it should be brought up again, so I stole it, wholesale.

396

The internet is "pull" media - people have to want to read or watch something. They need to be driven to it or attracted to it by controversy, scandal, or hype.

Except for when it bleeds over into more traditional media. Which it increasingly does. Again, I don't rule out Left like tactics on other issues, but not race. We don't need it, and it is too destructive to the country as a whole.

397 merely to serve a party. It's a bit bigger than that. having a party that will listen to you is only half the battle -- you then need to ensure that party acts accordingly. Those Reagan Democrats never delivered him a Republican house did they? With the exception of SCOTUS appointments, Speaker of the House is more important to domestic agenda.

398

I put this on the last thread, but it's going here, too, because, damn it, I sure would like to know the answer.

I have a question about all this that I think some are missing.   There is a reason, other than the clip that AB showed, that caused this administration to freak out and force Sherrod's resignation.   They were terrified that she was going to be on Beck, and as a matter of fact, I guarantee you they were instrumental in her canceling with Megyn Kelly yesterday.

Something else, other than that clip, scared the bejesus out of them and I want to know what that is.   Does it have anything to do with the revelations from the Washington Examiner?   There is something they don't want us to find out, either about this woman, or something that she knows or has done in the past that they are afraid will come out if she, or they, are looked at too closely.

What the hell is it?

 

399 Or that Reagan Cabinet guy who told the joke about Blacks only wanting three things:  a tight pussy, a comfortable pair of shoes, and a warm place to shit?

Obvioulsly you "modernist" Yankees have never had to use an outhouse in January.

400 CJ @ 407 Gran, I would rather change the rules then play by theirs.

Sorry, CJ, I don't see that as an option at this point in time. The Right would need to control the playing field before it can change the rules of the game. As long as we're up against the MFM and their Hollywood accomplices, we don't have the power to change the rules.  What we can do is use their own rules against them.

401 One other thing, why can't we have an honest disagreement with a post without going all personal and flamewar?

402

"The question is whether the means used against you can justifiably be used in your defense."

Well, to that question I would answer that - provided the targeting is accurate - always!

Suicide bombers need to be blown up with hellfire missiles - equivalent results with better targeting.  Hitting innocents does no good, but in the current case, Shiela was no innocent - she was and still is an enemy.  Anyone who still wants to vote for Obama at this point is my enemy, and deserves no mercy.

403 The question is whether the means used against you can justifiably be used in your defense.

Thank you.

If some dude pulls a knife on me during a mugging that I eventually manage to wrestle away from him, then I'm jamming that thing right in his throat (provided no one is looking).

Some people would try to hold the guy at bay until the cops got there. Or let him get up and run away.

And that's cool. But you're running the risk that he does you further harm.

404 O/T:  Anyone know Andrew Breitbart personally, enough to email him.  I went to his wikipedia page to find out who he really is and noticed that on top of the page there appears to be some information that may have been added by a hacker.  Don't know wikipedia well, but I say hacker cause I don't think they would allow the information to stand.  Plus, the in real time Shirley story stuff may be something he wants to read and correct.

wiki page

405 413 She has a Master's from Antioch University.

I know that school.  It's nearby.  It is a Marxist lair of the worst sort.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:31 PM (5aa4z)

For having a Masters degree, she sure writes a shitty speech.  I'm not talking about the subject matter.  I'm talking about how most speeches in a junior high school english class are better structured than hers. How in the hell did she get a bachelors degree, let alone a masters degree, with writing skills like that?

406

Here's a hard fact about winning wars.  *Everyone* who has ever won a *Real* war has done it by becoming just as hard, just as ruthless, just as merciless as the side they're trying to defeat.  There's a name for fighters that won't do that - it's "Losers".

Really, so your thought process is that in order to win against Al-Queda, or a nation like Iran then we must start recruiting teenage kids, filling there heads with a lot of nonsense about how if they do this they get a free ticket to heaven, strap them up with explosives and having them kill themsleves and a lot of other people by executing suicide bomb attacks against civilian targets in Yemen, Syria, and Iran?

That sounds like a logical thing to you?

Look, the point here is simple.  If we use the same tired, ridiculous tactics of the left, ignore facts, and go off half cocked putting ideology ahead of common sense and reason then in the end there really is no difference between them and us.

I am a conservative because I know that conservative ideas and conservative principles work.  It's been proven, time and time again.  I know that if you create an environment where the free market system is allowed to flourish that everyone benefits. 

I get the fact that the left has been using dirty tactics like this for years.  But the moment we decide that the ends justify the means, we end up going down the same road they went down years ago.

In the end we'll end up just like them, and we won't have won a thing.  We'll have lost, everything.  We'll have no honor, no honesty, no values whatsoever.

And that isn't conservatism.  Not even close.

407

News flash ( proven by over 50 years of polling) Most people don't vote on ideas

Once again, a conservative "the government does not define America" focuses exclusively on...the government, and the elections to determine who runs it.

This issue, race, is more important than an election. I'll lose an election in return for dragging the conversation about race into the 21st century.

408 I just heard Rush play the clip where Sherrod claims she got the call to literally pull over and resign right then and there.  I am calling bullshit on this.  This went down waayyy too fast and I am really thinking now it has to do with her appointment and the settlement.  So, there is probably more to that story as well.

409 How in the hell did she get a bachelors degree, let alone a masters degree, with writing skills like that?

*staring at shoes, whistling*

410 You keep quoting from opinion writers on Journolist. They're opinion writers. Liberals. On this topic, race, their tactics have diminishing effect and we don't need to copy them. Other topics? We might have to.

What "diminishing effect?"

These are opinion shapers who used everything they had available to them to put Obama in the White House.

Unless and until we know that their postings were not reaching news reporters, there is no damned reason for me to naively accept that the journolist's influence was confined to opinion pages.

Would Obama have carried the nomination if the press had not given him a pass on his association with Wright?

We will never know the answer to that, but the journolisters knew that they had to keep that shit out of the papers.

411 One other thing, why can't we have an honest disagreement with a post without going all personal and flamewar?

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2010 12:39 PM (/jbAw)

FUCK YOU that's why.

Heh. I hear ya.

412 I agree with Ed Anger.

413 This went down waayyy too fast and I am really thinking now it has to do with her appointment and the settlement.

*popping popcorn*

414 How in the hell did she get a bachelors degree, let alone a masters degree, with writing skills like that?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - am i racist for questioning her writing skills? at July 21, 2010 12:40 PM (YVZlY)

E.W.B. :  Educated While Black.  Would YOU give her a low grade ( even though she was a gibberish-spouting radicalized idiot ??

415

I have a question about all this that I think some are missing.   There is a reason, other than the clip that AB showed, that caused this administration to freak out and force Sherrod's resignation.   They were terrified that she was going to be on Beck, and as a matter of fact, I guarantee you they were instrumental in her canceling with Megyn Kelly yesterday.

Something else, other than that clip, scared the bejesus out of them and I want to know what that is.   Does it have anything to do with the revelations from the Washington Examiner?   There is something they don't want us to find out, either about this woman, or something that she knows or has done in the past that they are afraid will come out if she, or they, are looked at too closely.

What the hell is it?

I agree, doesn't pass the smell test.  See what I wrote above.  Possible?  There's even more to this settlement deal than we know would be my guess.

416 $13,000,000 can buy alot of racial redemption.

417 But we're closer than ever [to respecting truth and reason]. At least in my lifetime.

Dude, I'd very much like to believe that, but I can't.

Look at who we just elected -- a two bit Marxist race hustler with no executive experience. And we had the goods on him (Rev Wright, spread the wealth, typical white person, clinging to guns and bibles, Bill Ayers ... etc)

And he got voted to the most powerful position in the world anyway.

Look what they did to Sarah Palin. A good percentage of voters still attribute a quote from an SnL sketch to her.

Look what they did to Joe the Plumber, smearing him over unpaid taxes while half the administration are proven tax cheats.

Truth and reason? In this country?

418

For having a Masters degree, she sure writes a shitty speech.  I'm not talking about the subject matter.  I'm talking about how most speeches in a junior high school english class are better structured than hers. How in the hell did she get a bachelors degree, let alone a masters degree, with writing skills like that?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - am i racist for questioning her writing skills? at July 21, 2010 12:40 PM (YVZlY)

No shit!

419 Nodding and calling out in agreement or empathy is just a way of saying "I understand where you were coming from."
So the crowd knew she was going to make a confession of racial bigotry that she was atoning for before she got to that part of her speech? I didn't know Kreskin was black.

420

This issue, race, is more important than an election. I'll lose an election in return for dragging the conversation about race into the 21st century.

Posted by: CJ at July 21, 2010 12:42 PM (9KqcB)

news flash:  Losing elections is bad, m'kay?. 

Most people don't vote on ideas, but elections are won ( and lost ) on ideas.  Understand that and you'll understand politics.  Having NO ideas, in re McCain, will lose elections; however, Obama having no ideas WON an election........

Yes, it's not that simple, in that the packaging and dissemination of ideas is an art, and the necessary ability to translate ideas into something people can use to make a voting decision is a Fine Art requiring Rare Qualities.

421 I still think this is all a set up...something is going on here and we have only seen snippets.  Funny how the media jumped all over this and yet, with NBP, nadda. The media whores are talking about "context" now, yet?  How many smears were made against Fox News, Rush, Beck, Tea Partiers etc with NO context and more importantly, NO apologies.  Has this episode baited the media into talking about context and then there will be a drip, drip, drip of them doing the exact thing that Beck raised yesterday...things taken out of context?  I think that's what this is really about, and Breitbart has set the trap and the lefties have walked right into it, no, not walked, RAN right into it.

422 In the end we'll end up just like them, and we won't have won a thing.  We'll have lost, everything.  We'll have no honor, no honesty, no values whatsoever.

The "RACISM!!!" card is effective for the left because they use it and we won't.  They are not going to restrain themselves.

They need to learn that the only winning move is not to play.

Since leftists are not full adults with a capacity to learn abstractly, they need to be smacked across the nose with some Mutually Assured Destruction until the lesson sinks in.

423 Herr

Don't you ever sleep?

424 Hey Gabe, why did you retweet this one? gabrielmalor RT @conor64 Just watched Sherrod's full speech. Reinstate this woman! And @andrewbreitbart, stop acting like Al Sharpton. You retweeted it for a reason, so do you think Breitbart is acting like Al Sharpton? I thought you said you weren't attacking Breitbart in any way.

425 This issue, race, is more important than an election.

Nothing is more important to our collective future than these next two elections.

If we lose, it's over. It may already be anyway.

And the race issue ain't never going away. Not ever. I'll give you one guess why.

426 At lunch in school @448 wow, take this coming from a guy who slightly agrees with you Gabe, real jerk move there, it's as if Allah took over all righty bloggers the last 24 hours again I agree the video was wrongfully edited down and taken out if context, but I can't ignore the people listening to her's elation at the bigotry and racism, and I agree we should be more careful next time, but with the entire righty commenter universe against you why make things worse when we are the reason fir any sucess you guys have? True some commentors have been dicks, but the bloggers have been just as bad; again I'm in the middle of this but the bloggers seem to be the dicks here, I just agree with them a little

427 Herr

Don't you ever sleep?

Not really.

428 I always say it's important to keep our sense of fair play. Many of the people in my boxcar indulged in the most ridiculous slander regarding the motives of our elected (ELECTED, remember?) leaders during the ride. Remember who we are, I counseled; we don't indulge in that kind of character assassination. And now we're here, and things don't look so bad at all. Wait, a shower? What a lovely idea after a long trip!

429 Doesn't pass the smell test, none of it...
but a lot of things haven't passed the smell test...how fast was the turn around time on those russian spies?
How come there is something about gold and a 1099 in a health care bill?

430 448 Hey Gabe, why did you retweet this one?

gabrielmalor RT @conor64 Just watched Sherrod's full speech. Reinstate this woman! And @andrewbreitbart, stop acting like Al Sharpton.

You retweeted it for a reason, so do you think Breitbart is acting like Al Sharpton? I thought you said you weren't attacking Breitbart in any way.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 21, 2010 12:54 PM (WZFkG)

Well I'll be...

When I accused Gabe of pulling that stunt to inflate his supporting posts here, he acted like I was paranoid.

Thanks for the confirmation Jedi!

431

CNN’s Campbell Brown To NAACP VP: ‘You Allowed Yourselves To Be Snookered’

http://tiny.cc/4r76a

So did the White House.    Why?    That's the freakin' question.   Nobody in that adminstration, who was appointed, has been thrown under the bus so damn fast.

If any one of the bloggers going after Breitbart, as if he did something wrong, would ask that damn question, maybe we could get some real answers.

 

432 Great. Now we're accusing Andrew Breitbart of acting like Al Sharpton?

Some conservatives won't even accuse Al Sharpton of acting like Al Sharpton.

433 Now DrewM is currently saying the NAACP is a "supposed" group of racists who didn't react positively to hearing Sherrod talking about screwing over white people. DrewMTips Fun Sherrod speech fact: @ 16:40 she says she made a commitment to stay in the south and help "Black people and black people only". (ct'd) DrewMTips (continued) what's the reaction from this group of supposed racists? Nothing. No one cheered, no one approved. They waited for the but So Drew, are you saying the NAACP is not a racist organization? Are you also stating that there was no response from the group to Sherrod's admission of racist actions?

434

If any one of the bloggers going after Breitbart, as if he did something wrong, would ask that damn question, maybe we could get some real answers.

Well, Breitbart may already know about it and is just waiting.  He loves to give them enough rope.

435 Great. Now we're accusing Andrew Breitbart of acting like Al Sharpton?

Some conservatives won't even accuse Al Sharpton of acting like Al Sharpton.

Posted by: Warden at July 21, 2010 01:08 PM (tOeyj)

Why all the sudden torrents of concern for Saint Shirley, Malor?

436

 The GOP has never fought back against any claim of Racism.

True, but then again that's a real hard thing to do - the more you fight it invariably the more guilty you look in the eyes of your accusers.  That's why the charge of "racism" is so nasty, you in essence have to prove your innocent, which is pretty much impossible because you can't prove whats in your heart.

This is EXACTLY how BHO came to be our President.  He sat back and just held up the racist card any time ANYBODY question anything about him or his associates. 

There were a lot of factors involved here, and yes the race card was most definately one of them.  But with the MSM as willing participants, sadly there just isn't much that could be done about it at the time. I think a lot of people are starting to catch on though - I think we'll have a good idea about where things are after the next election.

We aren't going to win the PR battle EVER.  for Chirst sakes we found evidence of the liberal media conspiring to discredit us,

Yes, we certainly did.. but, question becomes, what can we realistically do about it?  Try to codify something like that into law and the only way it has any teeth is to burn the First Amendment.  I can garuantee you that whatever "law" they would come up with would be used to attack conservatives a lot more than it would liberals.

That's the reality of our situation.  It's not right, it's not fair, but there it is - the only question is, how best to deal with it.  I think things are starting to turn though, a growing mistrust of the old traditional media for one.  It's slow, and at times painful, but it is beginning to happen.

437 It's like that scene Old School when Luke Wilson comes come to find his girlfriend in the middle of a gang bang. She broke the circle of trust. I've been let down by right wing sites before but damn...

438

I think I'll be the Devil's Advocate here to Lemon Kitten and Gabe - because I really honestly do not understand their conclusions.

Let's review, shall we?

1. The lady confessed on video to committing a federal crime, based on a citizen's race. Is this suddenly "heartwarming"? How does the admission of guilt for bigotry become "heartwarming" or in any way positive?

2. The crowd, not knowing the end of the story due to lack of spice from the desert planet Arakkis and the low probability of having psychic fuckin' powers, still crowed with glee and approval at the story of a person being racially bigoted towards a citizen.  What part of the crowd's overwhelmingly positive reaction to bigotry is "heartwarming" and gives you some sort of "proof" of this being simply a great story of redemption? At what point in the full video does the crowd's overtly bigoted and racist cheerleading become washed clean of sin? Please provide the minute:second mark so I can view such an awesome example of Divine Grace caught on camera.

How do these people, caught on tape being racist bigots, full throatedly approving of FEDERAL CRIMES, suddenly become the opposite and gain full redemption and forgiveness of their putrid hatred?  What words made you come to the conclusion that 1. the lady didn't do this multiple times, 2. the crowd repented of their bigotry of 45 minutes prior, and 3. that the crime confessed to did not itself indicate a need for a full review of every single case this bigot was on in the last quarter-century? How did you suddenly conclude that there was no other ingrained bigotry in her past, and also how did you conclude that the audience somehow SAW THE FUTURE and only responded to the conclusion of the story at the begining?

Note that I have made no insults nor accusations of any sort. I seriously am curious as to how you get to where you are with the evidence.

439

True some commentors have been dicks, but the bloggers have been just as bad; again I'm in the middle of this but the bloggers seem to be the dicks here, I just agree with them a little

Then by all means, find a greener pasture elsewhere.  No law that says you have to hang out here and have your obviously superior intellect dragged down by the rest of us.

In short, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

440 Members of Congress may approve another $1.15 billion this week to settle cases from what some estimate may be an additional 80,000 African-Americans who have also claimed to have been discriminated against by USDA staff  via Pigford vs Vilsack lawsuit settlement.
Wealth redistribution indeed.  That's ALOT of money. I wonder how many of the additional 80,000 have valid grounds and are not out to defraud?   Sounds like a Big Effin' Deal to me.

441 I wonder how many of the additional 80,000 have valid grounds and are not out to defraud?

The original class was estimated to be about 3000.  Who'd think the government could fuck up estimating future liabilities?

442

Then by all means, find a greener pasture elsewhere.  No law that says you have to hang out here and have your obviously superior intellect dragged down by the rest of us.

In short, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Posted by: Stuck On Stupid at July 21, 2010 01:17 PM (e8T35)

No, I think you are the one that needs to go fuck yourself. I'd rather read  a "superior intellect" that was in oppisition to my beliefs, because I might learn someing new. He might even change my mind with a well reasoned argument.

On the other hand, thoughtless sycophants like you are just a waste of bandwidth providing support to the vacuous.

443 @ 463 your feelings are real hurt that I dare disagree with bloggers huh? I'm on no ones side and agree with both sides in some facets, your reaction is funny

444 "Sherrod said again today that nobody at the USDA would hear her out. "I kept saying, 'Look at the entire tape,'" she said. "'Look at my message,' and no one would listen. No one would listen.'"

445

Ed Morrissey is a fucking idiot.

She got hired BECAUSE she sued the  U.S.TAXPAYER.
She got RICH BECAUSE she sued the U.S TAXPAYER.

She and her husband actually sued VILSACK along with other BLACK FARMERS.   The OBAMA admin was more than HAPPY to give them piles of TAX MONEY and JOBS.

Note to Ed Morrissey.   FUCK YOURSELF ED.

446 Yet again, no one can disagree to any extent without being labeled insane or racist or whatever.
Breitbart is Al Sharpton for posting a video on his blog, while the race-obsessed settlement beneficiary, who wowed an audience by telling a story about once actually doing her job, is the new Rosa Parks.

447

The "RACISM!!!" card is effective for the left because they use it and we won't.  They are not going to restrain themselves.

No, but much like crying "Wolf" all the time it is starting to lose it's effectiveness pretty rapidly. 

As to the Sherrod case, I'm personally taking a pause and waiting for additional information before deciding on what I would consider to be a fair outcome.

I will agree with many others that her story was not in any way "heartwarming".  If she did indeed learn a valuable lesson and move beyond preferential treatment based on race, that's great. 

But I'd like a bit more background here, a bit more to go on before trying to make a determination like that either way.  I will note, yet again, that for me what I felt was most telling was how those NAACP members reacted to her tale of overt racism, they seemed to feel it was completely justified and that there was nothing wrong with it at all, in fact it was something to be applauded.

I think that is the portion of this that deserves immediate focus, particularly in the light of recent events where the NAACP is accusing the Tea Party of racism.

But sadly here we are, flaming away and for the most part never really getting to the central issue.

448 The original class was estimated to be about 3000.  Who'd think the government could fuck up estimating future liabilities?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:20 PM (5aa4z)

Barry: Rahm, I'm not happy with the insinuations made by Herr Morgenholz and I want him fired immediately!

Rahm: You can't fire him. He doesn't work for you.

Barry: What do you mean I can't fire him? I'm the fucking President!

Rahm: Yes, you are are, but we can't fire him.

Barry: Then smear him like we did to Joe the Plumber!

Rahm: That, we can do. I email Jornolist immediately.

449

your feelings are real hurt that I dare disagree with bloggers huh? I'm on no ones side and agree with both sides in some facets, your reaction is funny

Rotfl.. my feelings?  Right.. by all means, hand me a tissue.  I'm getting all misty here at the thought that some halfwit troll might think ill of me.  Please.  What a load of horseshit.

Look, if you have something meaningful to add here, by all means, add it.  Otherwise if all your here to do is take a few idiotic cheap shots like most of what you've posted to date, well as I said before don't let the door hit you in the ass as you depart.

Conservative or liberal, a dipshit troll is a dipshit troll.  But hey, if I'm wrong, by all means, step up with a bit more than just random cheap shots.

 

450 I still say Brietbart is setting something up.  This ties too many points that conservatives have been making about the WH, press and lefties.  This has very little to do with Sherrod, the White House or NAACP.  This has all to do with the MSM and it's about to be hung out to dry.

451 Ummm, what exactly did Ms. Sherrod do as the crowd was verbally applauding during the part when she was discussing how she had intentionally screwed over whitey?  I don't recall her stopping her speech to castigate the crowd for their racial eruption.

452

If it hasn't been mentioned already, this goes a long way towards indicting the media with their charges of "racism" against the Tea Party.  What have we seen from them with that little operation? Video snippets that are not entire, biased cherry picking, insinuating what really is perhaps not there -- the same things they are howling at Breitbart for (although he really isn't guilty guilty of this in a comparative sense...thank you Saul Alinsky).

Isn't this blow up a bit of an indictment against the MFM as well?

Gotta love a fisherman who brings a big net!

 

453 @473 the fact you think I'm a troll shows howmuch you know about neon this blog, I need say no more

454

No, I think you are the one that needs to go fuck yourself. I'd rather read  a "superior intellect" that was in oppisition to my beliefs, because I might learn someing new. He might even change my mind with a well reasoned argument.

When he posts anything resembling a reasoned argument, let me know.  Be more than happy to read it.  So far all I've seen is one liners and cheap shots.  Not that impressed.  Suprised that you are, but to each there own I guess.  Was just pointing out that if he was really that offended by what he was reading, he was always more than welcome to go elsewhere.  Come to think of it maybe you too could share a cab. 

455 471   I think that is the portion of this that deserves immediate focus, particularly in the light of recent events where the NAACP is accusing the Tea Party of racism.
I totally disagree.  I think someone with investigative journalism skills needs to look into the $1.15 billion dollar payment due to be disbursed by congress this week.  Sure sounds like they urgently want to redistribute this taxpayer wealth before anybody catches on.

456 unknow jane, that is part of my point...we need to calm down and just wait for the rest of this to play out.

457 If I thought that Breitbart's release of the Sherrod/NAACP video was done to intentionally cause the administration to react without thinking, then it could have been a shrewd move on his part. Unfortunately, I think that Breitbart really didn't bother to check too much to see if the rest of the speech was available when he rushed to post the video, so it gave Sherrod (deservedly so) a basis to claim that her comments were taken out of context. Since that's always the right's argument when cornered like this, it weakens whatever impact the video may have originally had.

458 But sadly here we are, flaming away and for the most part never really getting to the central issue.

I'm not flaming.

I am calling out what I consider to be bad arguments.

This Nietzche-ish fighting monsters/gazing into an abyss stuff is lefty bullshit. 

Of course the end does not necessarily justify the means, but that says absolutely nothing about whether turnabout is fair play.

I don't support a political party that openly campaigns on a platform to raise other people's taxes and micromanage other people's lives.

I gladly cheer what happened to Sherrod and how it happened.  That does not meant that I would now support a political party that openly campaigns on a platform to raise her taxes and micromanage her life.

I'm not as bad as they are.

459 @ 478 I made my personal feelings known, no just shots asshole

460 The Sharrod story isn't about her, its about the NAACP's reaction (including the now-president who was in the office) to her story. Breitbart didn't put that video out to get Sharrod, he put it out in response to the NAACP's idiotic, lying, and politically-motivated "tea parties are racist" declaration, to show they are racist to the core.

Whether her story was to show how mean she was to whitey or about redemption is irrelevant to the point, and all that's being lost.

461 I'm really disappointed in you Gabe. You present one story for the morons, then on twitter call Breitbart the equiv. of Al Sharpton? Two-face Janus much?

You really need to stop focusing on the tape and Breitbart for the moment, and start focusing on the other related issues going on here (the NAACP head was at that speech that he claimed he was appalled by, the $13 mil she got from the gov. right before she got hired to the USDA, why she got canned so fast and suddenly oh wait we change our minds) as well and actually go after the administration as well.

462

the fact you think I'm a troll shows howmuch you know about neon this blog, I need say no more

The fact that you posted here before before doesn't excuse the snotty cheap shots your taking now.  Have something of substance to say, I'm willing to listen.  Otherwise, act like a troll and it should come as little surprise if you get classified as one. I need say no more.

463

unknow jane, that is part of my point...we need to calm down and just wait for the rest of this to play out.

I think you have a very valid point there, and perhaps some very good advice.

464 Since the people Sherrod fucked in the ass are all nicey nice with her now, this is a heart-warming, feel-good story of redemption right up there with Roman Polanski.   

465 "Full Sherrod video is not only unobjectionable, it's heartfelt and moving--a tale of overcoming hatred and rancor in the American south."

Cripes! That is some hard-boiled pansy-assed crap. Why don't you make into a Lifetime movie while you're at it? Do you really think she's some kind of reformed racist? A shining example of tolerance for people to follow? WTF? It also presupposes that hatred and rancor were/are so prevalent in the American south that overcoming them is just so damned heroic! More progressive BS.

Showing up at the NAACP to tell a tale of sticking it to whitey equals racist, no matter how many after-school special sentiments are thrown in as cover. That's progressive BS right there - I did a bad thing but now I feel bad so I shouldn't be held accountable.

I think Gabriel may be better suited for HuffPo. I don't like his progressive mentality one bit.

466
This incident goes far to shred several bullshit arguments about race.

The first is the contention that minorities cannot be racist because they are minorities.  Go to the tape to hear the story of why Sherrod did what she did.

The second is that minorities cannot be racist because they have no authority to abuse.  Go to the tape to hear the story of what help Sherrod had the power to withhold.

The third is that the professional racial grievance industry is unimpeachable when making declarations of what is and what is not racist.  Go to the tape and watch and listen to the audience's inappropriate approbation for Sherrod's description of her pre-redemption self.

467

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  YOU'RE GONNA BE ON GLENN BECK!  RESIGN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

It should give Glenn a tinge of pride that he has become the Official White House Boogeyman.

Posted by: reason at July 21, 2010 12:28 PM (F26eZ)

And I want to see Charles Johnson deal with the fact that Glenn Beck is standing up for the rights of a Black woman who's been treated shabbily by the Obama Administration.  "Beck is right?  Obama is wrong?  Norman, please coordinate!"

468 OMFG, we don't have circular firing squads, we have grenade parties.

1) Watch the ****ing video, she did give an indication BEFORE the story that it was about a learning experience, of something she'd done that was wrong.

Of course, that doesn't simply outright excuse the audience reaction, especially to other statements she made throughout the speech, like the "It isn't about black and white... well, it IS about black and white..."

2) Breitbart may have only had the clip, but he DID mention her "redemption" because it was in the clip. While the full video does change the context, it doesn't eliminate the argument entirely.

3) I totally don't get the "complete opposite of racism" and "completely unobjectionable" comments. It can be true that the administration is the bigger fish without making cockeyed statements like that. She repeatedly emphasized race as a deciding factor, that people should associate based on race, and her "redemption" was the realization that the greater enemy was *rich* white people, not just white people.

There are so many basic errors of fact flying around on this story you can't even begin to keep track of them, from people who get the chronology wrong to various statements about who said what when, you have to wonder if it's the phase of the moon or something.

I agree with Gabe that the administration's blunder makes them the target now, and Sherrod is the lesser target. I don't agree that this exonerates the NAACP in any way, and I think Gabe is in error in focusing on AB's descriptive text about a "racist USDA official" and ignoring the next words about her :redemptive" experience. And I think he's in error in saying she's the opposite of a racist, that's not what the full video shows... she is a racist, she just thinks class warfare is more important.

Luckily, the commenters here don't have a lot to say about how this turns out, 'cause evidence suggests there'd be fur flying but not much else happening if we were.

469

Gabe???  Sniffing glue are we??  This bitch SUED HER WAY into a FEDERAL JOB.   Her suit was RACE based.  She and her HUSBAND were rewarded with TAX MONEY.

She is owed NOTHING.  

She is not a victim, she is a HUSTLER.

470 If I thought that Breitbart's release of the Sherrod/NAACP video was done to intentionally cause the administration to react without thinking, then it could have been a shrewd move on his part.

Unfortunately, I think that Breitbart really didn't bother to check too much to see if the rest of the speech was available when he rushed to post the video, so it gave Sherrod (deservedly so) a basis to claim that her comments were taken out of context. Since that's always the right's argument when cornered like this, it weakens whatever impact the video may have originally had.

Posted by: Greg at July 21, 2010 01:42 PM (QkqDN)

Well, the thing is, the Obama Administration and the NAACP both panicked and tossed Sherrod under their respective buses (*whump* *whump* *whump* *whump*) without giving her a chance to defend herself.  So if Breitbart failed to check out the video's context thoroughly before posting the excerpt, that's a mistake for which he should apologize -- but as the NAACP was in possession of the full video (Breitbart was not), they have no excuse for rushing to denounce Sherrod, nor does the Administration for forcing her to resign.

Has anyone noticed that the only thing the Obama Administration seems motivated and capable of doing swiftly is firing people who embarrass it?  McChrystal, Sherrod, BAM!  Outta there!

471

Sadsack Vilsack, sent out to clean up a WH spill

in aisle 5.

472  She should have been fired 24 years ago. I think she was fired before appearing on Beck as a topic because of that huge money laundering civil suit which the government probably didn't fight in any meaningful way.

It is always easy to hand over tax dollars to a group of race baiting extortionists and then blame it on the lawyers (wink wink).

How about some more "redlining" and CRA?  Now even the liberal's own appointed watchdogs are calling that a massive failure. 

By firing her over the comments on the incomplete film have they immunized her from any other charges?

473 Why do these douchebags decide to single me out as if I'm the only dissenter, and why is it always assholes who I've never seen in here? I partly agree with both sides yet have this douchebag claim I've only taken cheap shots, yet my first comment included my thoughts and pinion with yes some shots at BOTH SIDES

474 Gibbels at presser: "This administration has never looked at a scoreboard ..." [paraphrased]

"That's right.  ... Because I WON!!" -- The Precedent

475 You know, if y'all would listen to the first twenty minutes of the full video, you would hear why Shirley Sherrod is a poster girl for Second Amendment rights.  She recounts a story that directly supports Clarence Thomas's decision in the Chicago gun laws case: a few months after her father was murdered in 1965, some good ol' boys showed up at her family's farm in the middle of the night and burned the crops.  Her mother and sister went out on the porch with a shotgun -- after her mother called a few of her neighbors, who soon showed up with their guns.  The good ol' boys were persuaded to leave and never came back.

476 More Gibbels at the presser:

"Vilsack did it!"

477

OMFG, we don't have circular firing squads, we have grenade parties.

Gotta give you that one.  Think this is a sensitive issue for a lot of folks.  Also read back through some of my own postings, and I think I might have been reading a little bit more into certain postings than I should have.

So to YRM in particular and others, my apologies.  I hope you'll chalk it up to me having the mental equivalent of a bad hair day. 

478

480  Sorry, I didn't read through all the comments on this -- I think we're being overreactive too.

Breitbart is a very smart, savvy guy from what I've witnessed, and not afraid to take risks (which always seem to work out in a way he wants to a large degree).  He also seems of a habit to grab up a lot of fish with one cast, and I think that's what we are seeing.

In which case good on him.

479 She shook down the government for a pisspot of OUR money and was rewarded with a government job even after the cost skyrocketed beyond her inept predictions. She's the woman Jesse Jackson always dreamed of being.

480 Black Power!!  See about hubby about halfway down.
http://tinyurl.com/28lzvp9

481

I haven't read all the comments but there sure seems to be a lot of white guilt over Shirley Sherrod coming from the rights columnist/bloggers today. Sorry, I'm not on board with it.

Shirley Sherrod becasue of racism almost caused a family to lose their farm. 7 days before the auction she finailly did what she was supposed to do in the first place and helped them. We're supposed to applaud her for that? Sorry, I'm not on board with that either. She should have been fired for it and whatever elese the law allowed.

Should she had been fired from her presant job? I have no idea although I do agree with what Vilsack originally said which was paraphrasing. "it doesn't matter what she said later in the tape it's what she said before that caused her dismissal.

482 #507... wow, puts Shirley Sherrod in the race hustler category. So who is like Al Sharpton again Gabe? And to whoever thanked me for posting AoS crew tweets way, way above... you're very welcome.

483

I haven't read all the comments but there sure seems to be a lot of white guilt over Shirley Sherrod coming from the rights columnist/bloggers today. Sorry, I'm not on board with it.

I can't speak for every one here of course but for me it's not a question of "white guilt" at all.  I simply want to find out a bit more before deciding what an appropriate action would be in response to all of this.

Now, leaving out everything else and focusing just on Sherrod, she obviously did engage in an act of overt racism that we know for certain occurred.

The facts that we have indicated that it happened a long time ago and that it would appear that she was trying to use her action as a way of showing others that what she did was wrong.  Can't give her a single point for style or presentation of course, but under the circumstances I'd want a few other questions answered before deciding firing her would be appropriate.

After reading some of the links posted here about some of her other activities I would tend to say yes, she does indeed deserve to lose her job.

484

I keep wondering if the "white farmer guy", who supposedly so arrogant and "superior", is available for comment.

 

Supposedly his wife and Sherrod are good friends now.  How did that happen?

485

Supposedly his wife and Sherrod are good friends now.  How did that happen?

Well, just extrapolating from Sherrod's prior actions and rationales, she most likely threatened them with lynching.

486 Supposedly his wife and Sherrod are good friends now.  How did that happen?

Either Sherrod pulled most of her parable out of her ass, or somebody ordered a "random white farmer" from the extras pool to provide cover.

487

See, there's another aspect of this whole thing that we're not paying a proper amount of attention to. That being the fact that as conservatives, we really have no true expectation of being treated equally before the Federal power structure.

Sherrod proves that ideology trumps the Rule of Law when it comes to the individual actions and decisions of Hard Leftists who populate the Civil Service. They're on record as being more concerned with their socialist dialectic than the clear rules and laws under which they are to serve.

That means that we no longer can expect the Federal government's workers to treat us as full citizens - we're no longer assured that the Law protects us and that those who break the Law will be punished.

With Sotomayor on the Supreme Court and with apparatchiks like Sherrod breaking federal law for their own purposes that run contrary to the law, no conservative can expect equal treatment over any amount of time when dealing with the Feds. The ramifications I leave to you.

488

434 You keep quoting from opinion writers on Journolist. They're opinion writers. Liberals. On this topic, race, their tactics have diminishing effect and we don't need to copy them. Other topics? We might have to.

What "diminishing effect?"

These are opinion shapers who used everything they had available to them to put Obama in the White House.

Where were the "opinion writers" when George Bush sent us to WAR? Nobody was questioning the authenticity of  weapons of mass destruction.

 

489 Where were the "opinion writers" when George Bush sent us to WAR? Nobody was questioning the authenticity of  weapons of mass destruction.

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

490 511

I keep wondering if the "white farmer guy", who supposedly so arrogant and "superior", is available for comment.

 

Supposedly his wife and Sherrod are good friends now.  How did that happen?

Because she helped them save there farm. IDIOT

491

Because she helped them save there farm. IDIOT

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

492 As a straight, White, guy, who has three strikes against him, just for being who I am, I am not inclined to cut Sherrod the least bit of a break.

Not when she got a humungous settlement from the USDA over a discrimination class action suit (on behalf of Black farmers) days before she was appointed as USDA Georgia director.

Why? Cut her a break "just because she's Black?" She **ADMITTED** to racist behavior. That she later claims she repented, but so what?

I would HOPE that Vilsack gets a bunch of class action lawsuits on behalf of WHITE farmers alleging discrimination, and citing Sherrod's videotaped testimony in front of the NAACP as proof that they suffered harm.

Its easy if you are gay, or Black, or any other privileged caste sitting on top of the PC/Diversity/Multiculturalist totem pole. You always get break after break, side with each other, scratch each other's back, and go after the "real enemy" -- Straight White Guys.

Had this been a tale of say, George Wallace coming to Jesus, he'd be charged with Civil Rights violations.

I say Sherrod deserved to be fired, Vilsack and Obama deserve to be sued by White farmers over discrimination, and the whole "conservative" reaction at Hot Air, and yes here proves that when the chips are down, social liberals, squishes (Admiral Squishy Doughboy), and those lucky enough NOT to be born Straight, White, and Male all stick together against us.

493

Because she helped them save there farm. IDIOT

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

Brilliant response MikeO
Did you come up with that on your own?

494

"See, there's another aspect of this whole thing that we're not paying a proper amount of attention to. That being the fact that as conservatives, we really have no true expectation of being treated equally before the Federal power structure."

This is a problem that has gotten brushed under the table due to all the race implications. But the left seeks an ever expanding government and an ever increasing role for government as the deciders of who gets what assets - regardless of who may have earned those assets.

Do you trust leftists to allocate the assets and to use their power fairly, without fear or favor? When it comes time to decide whose ox gets gored when it comes to healthcare rationing, do you trust leftists to make these decisions without regard to ideology?

Sure we do, because they are so tolerant and understanding of other points of view than their own, and because unlike us unnuanced conservatives, they are the compassionate ones who don't equate having a conservative point of view with being not merely wrong, but evil. I mean after all, wasn't it Republicans who had that saying about how the personal is political? Wasn't it?  Or do I just have my political parties mixed up?

 

495

Brilliant response MikeO
Did you come up with that on your own?

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

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This is a problem that has gotten brushed under the table due to all the race implications. But the left seeks an ever expanding government and an ever increasing role for government as the deciders of who gets what assets - regardless of who may have earned those assets.

Do you trust leftists to allocate the assets and to use their power fairly, without fear or favor? When it comes time to decide whose ox gets gored when it comes to healthcare rationing, do you trust leftists to make these decisions without regard to ideology?

Sure we do, because they are so tolerant and understanding of other points of view than their own, and because unlike us unnuanced conservatives, they are the compassionate ones who don't equate having a conservative point of view with being not merely wrong, but evil. I mean after all, wasn't it Republicans who had that saying about how the personal is political? Wasn't it?  Or do I just have my political parties mixed up?

No RM you don,t have the parties mixed up. I must say you make allot of sense. Well thought out post.

 

497 No RM you don,t have the parties mixed up. I must say you make allot of sense. Well thought out post.

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

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524 No RM you don,t have the parties mixed up. I must say you make allot of sense. Well thought out post.

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

Brilliant response MikeO
Did you come up with that on your own?

499 Brilliant response MikeO
Did you come up with that on your own?

Go find yourself a plate-glass window.

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I want to know how many white farmers she fucked over before she came to her "redemption".

That's the firing offense. It doesn't matter if she changed her mind later. She used the power of the State to selectively reward and punish based on her personal whims and prejudices.

Exactly.

I hope they do promote her, because then Breitbart can dig up some of the white folks she discrimnated against pre-conversion.

501

Sherrod says in her (full, unedited except for that one spot in the middle that is most definitely not at all like the 18-1/2 minute gap in the Watergate tapes) speech that there are only 20 or so people of color in her 129 person organization.  She encourages young people of color to consider taking a job at the USDA.  She is dismayed at the lack of people of color when she looks at what is coming up (through the ranks?)

My feeble math abilities tell me that 20 / 129 = 15.5%.

Please Mrs. Sherrod, tell us what is the correct percentage.  Because the primary measure of properly staffing a government organization is the racial/ethnic/gender/sexual persuasion breakdown. 

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As one who enjoys the odd racial epitaph (some are quite descriptive and apt), I have never ever fucked over a coworker or aquaitance or stranger of other ethnic extraction. 

The broad gets no synpathy from me. 

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You mean the war we won that freed millions of people from an evil dictator and alleviated a continuing threat to our middle eastern allies.  You mean the war where we overthrew a person who had used WMD against his own people.  A war against the country in which a liberal chief weapons inspector Hans Blix advised that 25 tons of previously identified VX gas could not be accounted for.  That war?

 Posted by: polynikes at July 21, 2010 05:07 PM (m2CN7)

Yeah, that horribly unjust aggressive ill-advised propaganda-driven WAR!

Wait, what? Not fair, you used facts! I saw what you did there!

MOM! THEY'RE USING FACTS AGAIN!

504 I still say Brietbart is setting something up.

Trial balloon?  See if he could quickly/easily dupe the administration into making unforced errors.

If so, the test succeeded.  They demonstrated they're far more susceptible to any whiff of the negative than they were say 8-9 months ago when something like this would have been stonewalled for at least a month.

Now the WH is in a bad spot strategically.  With egg on their faces, they'll tend to hold back in the future, expecting some tricky 12/6 curveball, and you can blow the hard 98mph inside heater right past'em and they'll be swinging after its already in the glove.