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March 11, 2010

Waxman: We'll Push Ahead Without Stupak Language or Stupak Votes
— Ace

Is this a surrender? Is this now officially just playing to the leftist base?

Because with 25+ Democrats saying they'll vote No, plus Stupak's 12 or so... right there I think the bill fails, narrowly.

A top House Democrat says the leadership may be able to pass President Barack Obama's health care overhaul without resolving a dispute over abortion.
Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman said Thursday that the leadership will try to secure the necessary 216 votes to pass the bill without reworking the divisive abortion provision.

Waxman says many of the pro-life Democrats will vote for the bill anyway.

But why would they? Not only is it unpopular, but the left is telling them "We'll appease our base in our safe districts, you slit your own throats in order to compromise your principles." The personal reaction there has to be a two-word dismissal.

Meanwhile, the co-chair of the progressive caucus says Obama isn't changing many -- or any -- minds or votes, and a top Obama 2008 campaign aide says Democrats could get "slaughtered" in November -- courtesy of the Democrats' easy-peasy-lemon-squeezey attitude towards corruption:

"I think that there is a real shot we are going to get slaughtered in elections this fall if we aren't leading the efforts to reform Washington," Steve Hildebrand, Obama's deputy national campaign director in 2008, told CNN. "We campaigned in '06 and '08, and if voters don't see that change, we haven't lived up to that promise."

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1
Do it, bitches!

Posted by: This is I Hate F'n Chimps at March 11, 2010 09:55 AM (z37MR)

2 Nostildamus has spoken! Let it be done!

Posted by: conscious and refusing to look at his face at March 11, 2010 09:57 AM (Vu6sl)

3
Here, here's a great .gif for this post.

Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.

Posted by: This is I Hate F'n Chimps at March 11, 2010 09:57 AM (z37MR)

4 If they had the votes they would have already voted.

Posted by: Vic at March 11, 2010 09:57 AM (QrA9E)

5 But why would they?

D principle #1: Because fuck you, that's why.

Posted by: oblig. at March 11, 2010 09:58 AM (x7Ao8)

6 Gibbs just played dumb on the Slaughter rule... he dodged Jake Tappers question

Posted by: Mjim at March 11, 2010 09:58 AM (mMdWG)

7 I wonder what the chances are that some dems are saying "yes" to the leadership, but only to bring it to a vote to get it done with, and will vote "no" when the vote actually comes. That would put an end to all the chatter as well as the bill itself. Then they can all go home and tell their constituents they voted "no"

Posted by: Robin at March 11, 2010 09:59 AM (6uXZa)

8
That squeaking sound is the sound of the Democrats jerking off their base.

Posted by: This is I Hate F'n Chimps at March 11, 2010 09:59 AM (z37MR)

9 Waxmen's just following his nose

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 11, 2010 09:59 AM (0GFWk)

10 This tune they keep singing is really really getting old.

Posted by: jewells at March 11, 2010 09:59 AM (l/N7H)

11 They don't have the votes. She will have the vote the second she thinks it will pass.

Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 09:59 AM (ALoxL)

12 That squeaking sound is the sound of the Democrats jerking off their base. Posted by: This is I Hate F'n Chimps at March 11, 2010 01:59 PM (z37MR) Is this like some San Fran Street fair thing?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 11, 2010 10:00 AM (0GFWk)

13 37 is the magic number. 37 Dem "no" votes and they cannot get to 216.

Posted by: Brian O'Connor at March 11, 2010 10:00 AM (Mcny5)

They ain't got the guts. Plus they ain't got the votes or they would have already done it a long time ago.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at March 11, 2010 10:00 AM (JSetw)

15 I'd pay money to see a video of Waxman picking a winner!

Posted by: Fritz at March 11, 2010 10:00 AM (GwPRU)

16 If the don't do it, Waxman will nosebutt them. That's line the votes up.

Posted by: joncelli at March 11, 2010 10:01 AM (RD7QR)

I think what Waxman is hoping for is that the pressure of actually having to be seen voting as the seconds tick down may lead to wavering Dems to wilt and side with the "yea" tally, realizing that it's for real and for keeps, and none of this "well, let the Senate deal with it now" silliness..

But, I have a feeling if that were the case, you will have a revival of the GOPers taunting the Dems who voted with Clinton with the "Goodbye" chorus.

Posted by: eddiebear at March 11, 2010 10:01 AM (wnU1W)

My nostrils are watching you! http://tinypic.com/r/2mnoetx/5

Posted by: conscious and refusing to look at his face at March 11, 2010 10:02 AM (Vu6sl)

19 THAT'LL. More coffee.

Posted by: joncelli at March 11, 2010 10:03 AM (RD7QR)

20 Two word dismissal , heh .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 11, 2010 10:03 AM (a9UO0)

21 Remember 1994? They didn't admit defeat until August, right? But it was pretty obvious they couldn't do it months before that. I think we're seeing the same thing here. It's impossible to do it. But it's way too early for them to admit it. I expect them to try to string us along until August, at least. Enjoy the popcorn.

Posted by: Joffen at March 11, 2010 10:04 AM (Zo5Ek)

22 My nostrils are watching you! http://tinypic.com/r/2mnoetx/5 Vote with me or fall into the caves of DOOOOOOOOM!

Posted by: Darth Henry at March 11, 2010 10:04 AM (RD7QR)

23 I'd pay money to see a video of Waxman picking a winner!

Posted by: Fritz at March 11, 2010 02:00 PM (GwPRU)

We believe have the hard drive space to hold that video.

Posted by: Google Server Farm at March 11, 2010 10:05 AM (5I0Yr)

24 I'm starting to think this insane clown posse in DC would welcome armed insurrection. An excuse to establish martial law.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 10:06 AM (AZGON)

25 Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

Posted by: Slasher Flick Fan at March 11, 2010 10:06 AM (mfpU1)

26 Expanding the death penalty in Virginia: now there is a news leader I can get behind...

Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 10:06 AM (ALoxL)

Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

No.

Posted by: Michael Meyers at March 11, 2010 10:06 AM (mfpU1)

"Lived up to our promises"? Whoa, I needed that laugh. Sort of like 'the check is in the mail' promise, or the "I won't ____ in your mouth' promise?

Yeah, like those sorts of promises.

Posted by: 141 Driver at March 11, 2010 10:08 AM (LEynS)

Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

Until the sequel, dummy.

Posted by: Freddy Krueger at March 11, 2010 10:08 AM (mfpU1)

I hate these people.

Posted by: Kristi at March 11, 2010 10:08 AM (7GgDy)

31 Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

I'm starting to feel scared of falling asleep.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 10:08 AM (mR7mk)

32 perhaps waxman will bring in clones from his home planet to take the place of the nay-saying democrats. Can YOU prove it DIDN'T happen..? (Plan Nine from Outsized Nostrils)

Posted by: Ira at March 11, 2010 10:09 AM (bJm7W)

Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

No.

Posted by: Jason Voorhees at March 11, 2010 10:09 AM (mfpU1)

34 O/T Ever notice how Waxman looks like his name? His picture should be put next to earwax in the dictionary. He's a walking, waxy ad for Q-Tips.

Posted by: Antimatter at March 11, 2010 10:10 AM (gbCNS)

35 It's a bitch when your leadership screws your electability with stupid ideas, isn't it, House Dems?

Posted by: sixpckr at March 11, 2010 10:11 AM (Aw7Iv)

36 The personal reaction there has to be a two-word dismissal.

Heh. Indeed.

Posted by: Venn at March 11, 2010 10:11 AM (8WZWv)

37 "we haven't lived up to that promise"

No shit Sherlock. What was your first clue? And passing a bill detested by most of the public is going to endear your candidates as well?

Come on November!

Posted by: GarandFan at March 11, 2010 10:12 AM (6mwMs)

Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

No.

Posted by: Chucky at March 11, 2010 10:12 AM (mfpU1)

39 If it's close they will buy the votes they need.

How? Pelosi is sort of stuck on buying votes. She has no leverage. All she has is "trust me. I'll get what you want in the Senate reconciliation process." Only problem there is, the Senate doesn't give a dick about what Pelosi promises. They can burn her as fast as Senator Nelson burned everyone in Nebraska and he was securing money for Nebraskans.

The as is bill is dead in my view. These House members would have to be complete idiots to put their faith in 28% approval rating Pelosi. She can't guarantee any members any deals. That's why Stupak is saying no to a sidecar bill. He knows the Senate will just screw him.

Posted by: wtfci at March 11, 2010 10:12 AM (+zo63)

40 I hate these people. Posted by: Kristi at March 11, 2010 02:08 PM (7GgDy) They hate you, so it works out.

Posted by: Darth Henry at March 11, 2010 10:13 AM (RD7QR)

41
we are going to get slaughtered in elections this fall if we aren't leading the efforts to reform Washington," Steve Hildebrand, Obama's deputy national campaign director in 2008, told CNN

This guy obviously LIKES the chicken.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 10:14 AM (fx8sm)

42 For hardcore liberals fewer pro-lifers in Congress is a feature not a bug.

Posted by: DrewM. at March 11, 2010 10:15 AM (9B5OK)

43 Back wax for congressional hacks.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 11, 2010 10:15 AM (cpuvG)

44 we are going to get slaughtered in elections this fall if we aren't leading the efforts to reform communize America Washington," Steve Hildebrand, Obama's deputy national campaign director in 2008, told CNN

Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 10:16 AM (ALoxL)

45 Weren't they all told to keep their payoffs a secret and then they could buy the votes without the outcry of the Louisianna purchase etc.?

Posted by: rightzilla at March 11, 2010 10:16 AM (rVJH4)

46 Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

Posted by: A. Skywalker at March 11, 2010 10:17 AM (mfpU1)

47 A. Skywalker, don't you mean, "I gotta bad feeling about this"?

Posted by: L. Skywalker at March 11, 2010 10:18 AM (mfpU1)

48 A failed vote...

This may be the "exit" strategy.

Obama: America wants an up down vote.

Waxman: We'll vote without Stupak.

Vote taken.
Vote fails.
Dems say "well we tried" to appease base.
Political narrative moves on to amnesty and "cap and tax".

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 10:19 AM (0q2P7)

49 15:15pm MST, my stand-up critter (Matheson) is still reviewing the legislation. Jim, you've already been bribed, they're not gonna give you anything else.

Posted by: SaintGeorgeGentile at March 11, 2010 10:20 AM (xbXz6)

50 "I have a bad feeling about this."

Posted by: G. Lucas at March 11, 2010 10:21 AM (mfpU1)

51 Will this be the last time the monster gets back up?

You've watched horror. You can't be guaranteed the monster doesn't get back up. If the credits roll, you might have a shot till the sequel, and make no mistake, as popular as this is to the left, we'll see many more installments.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 10:22 AM (0q2P7)

52 You have to give them credit, when they go stupid they go full on stupid.

Posted by: mpfs at March 11, 2010 10:22 AM (iYbLN)

53 I agree with alot of you that are saying they'll vote for it if they want to kill it. They could never just drop it and walk away.

I expect to nearly have a heart attack while the vote is in progress of course.

Posted by: Mord at March 11, 2010 10:25 AM (tTj19)

Vote taken.
Vote fails.
Dems say "well we tried" to appease base.
Political narrative moves on to amnesty and "cap and tax".

Oh, that would be a dream come true. Let man-made climate change be debunked for the fraud that it is, and let the GOP purge itself of the Hispandering romantic fools and shorsighted greedheads.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 11, 2010 10:29 AM (ujg0T)

55 Helloooo Speaker Hoyer!

Posted by: mrp at March 11, 2010 10:30 AM (HjPtV)

Still, I don't know what to think about the abortion thing. They can't change the language now or add anything to the senate bill. I don't even know what the negotiations around that have to do with this bill.

I don't believe that the democrats with Stupak actually have abortion convictions. They just want money.

If Nancy could make them happy with anti abortion funding language then why isn't she? The feds paying to kill babies is more important to her than this bill?

With no bill she doesn't get to kill anybody?

Something is wrong here.

Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 10:32 AM (ALoxL)

57 I hate to say it, but it has to be said: If Stupak et al were really pro-life, they'd be Republicans. The only question is, can Pelosi promise them enough -- and with a realistic chance of delivering -- to sway them?

Note that this doesn't have to be in the form of legislation; she could easily promise them nice cushy lobbying jobs to induce them to fall on their swords. You think these guys would turn down "analyst" jobs with MSDNC, especially when they get to have their name on Teh Most Historic Legislation Evar!!! ?

God I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: bullfrog at March 11, 2010 10:36 AM (g+3Ca)

58 Helloooo Speaker Hoyer Boehner!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 11, 2010 10:37 AM (ujg0T)

59 I'm still hoping there's some dems who voted yes the 1st time who are keeping their mouths shut kinda hoping it never comes to be voted on again or if it does they have a chance to vote No.

Posted by: steve at March 11, 2010 10:39 AM (2iVD6)

60 OK,

Enough gum-flapping. . .let's have the vote then.

Methinks the fact that Pelosi hasn't called for a vote yet is by itself pretty strong evidence that Waxman's bluff calling isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: looking closely at March 11, 2010 10:43 AM (PwGfd)

61 I'm starting to feel scared of falling asleep.

Suck it, winger. I can't sleep with those two hair-lined conch shells wheezing away all night next to me, so look for sympathy somewhere else.

Posted by: Mrs. Waxman at March 11, 2010 10:48 AM (gQ+XA)

62 Suck it, winger. I can't sleep with those two hair-lined conch shells wheezing away all night next to me, so look for sympathy somewhere else.

Posted by: Mrs. Waxman at March 11, 2010 02:48 PM (gQ+XA)

So, your wife has a beard too?

Posted by: The Former Rep Masaa at March 11, 2010 10:51 AM (rVJH4)

Pukelosi can't & won't call a vote until the reconciliation bill language is a fait accompli. That bill then spends as much as 48 hrs in some of the committees before it can be sent to the House & Senate for a vote. JMO, but some of the supposed hold-outs in the House are probably waiting to find out the specific language & CBO analysis of the reconciliation bill before they commit.

Honestly, they've probably already decided how they will vote. They're just looking for cover for that vote. I don't trust anything I'm hearing, right now. They've already pulled way more crap than I thought they would, and I'm cynical as hell about any of them. I won't believe this shit is dead until it is pierced thru the heart & burned at the stake.

Posted by: Steph at March 11, 2010 10:54 AM (riZEn)

64 Is it possible Dem "leaders" like Pelosi and Waxman really don't think their goons are talking to each other behind the leadership's back? Might they thnk they can snow enough individual votes by convincing them others have already flipped? They lie to us, they lie to their base, why wouldn't they lie to their members?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 11, 2010 11:03 AM (xS3fe)

65 Waxman says they have enough votes to pass it by a nose.

Posted by: Warden at March 11, 2010 11:24 AM (QoR4a)

66 Has anyone considered the possibility that while hard-Left districts are safe from Republican takeover, their Congressmutants aren't personally safe from displacement by harder-Left loonies? When Code Pink pickets Nancy Pelosi's house, it probably signals to her that keeping her seat safe requires her to pander even more to the "Progressive" Left -- regardless of how much more difficult that makes getting anything done in Congress.

Posted by: stuiec at March 11, 2010 11:27 AM (GU29T)

67

I'm really disappointed in all of you, criticizing the poor man's nose like that.

.

Especially since his ears are the size of dinner plates and his buckers put Bugs Bunny to shame.

low hanging fruit (oh wait, we're not talking about Barney)

Posted by: s'moron at March 11, 2010 11:31 AM (UaxA0)

This thing is the political equivalent of Norman Bate's mother.

Posted by: Vashta.Nerada at March 11, 2010 11:36 AM (yIZJ3)

69 41 I hate these people.

Posted by: Kristi at March 11, 2010 02:08 PM (7GgDy)

They hate you, so it works out.

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HAHAHAHAA! Thanks.. needed that laugh!

Posted by: Kristi at March 11, 2010 12:24 PM (7GgDy)

"Will this be the last time the monster gets back up? "

You're kidding. Right?

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