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August 09, 2010

We Muslims Know Ground Zero Victory Mosque Is Deliberate Bad-Faith Provocation
— Ace

Thankfully some Muslims will speak out against it.

When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?
New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.
The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"
So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the "Cordoba Initiative" and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?
Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

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1 related from the WaPo via WeaselZips: http://tinyurl.com/2f7syrq

Posted by: Jean at August 09, 2010 05:49 AM (bXHdf)

2 If the New Yorkers don't have the balls to stop this, then I really can't give a damn if this thing goes up.

Posted by: HH at August 09, 2010 05:49 AM (6oDXl)

3 Nice to see and all,but other interpretations of the Koran,probably the more orthodox,enable this.

Posted by: steevy at August 09, 2010 05:50 AM (DRl4C)

4
That's great. Ya think the NYT will pick that up?

As is, it's like whispering in a train station.

Posted by: Dang at August 09, 2010 05:50 AM (Chg7a)

There are some American "leaders" who think it will all be fixed with a big group hug... Others know the truth.. We are practicing with our guns and stockpiling ammo and pork products...

Posted by: DW Pepper at August 09, 2010 05:51 AM (9RAPj)

6 such an act is referred to as "Fitna,"

Does this call for a replay of Geert Wilder's movie?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 09, 2010 05:52 AM (Qp4DT)

7 From today's news from Compass Direct: Zanzibar Officials Stop Church Building, Erect Mosque Compass Direct reports that on an island off the coast of East Africa where the local government limits the ability of Christians to obtain land, officials in one town have colluded with area Muslims to erect a mosque in place of a planned church building. On the Tanzanian island of Zanzibar, Pastor Paulo Kamole Masegi of the Evangelistic Assemblies of God had purchased land in April 2007 for a church building in Mwanyanya-Mtoni, and by November of that year he had built a house that served as a temporary worship center, he said. Soon area Muslim residents objected, said Pastor Lucian Mgaywa of the Church of God in Tanzania. In August 2009, local Muslims began to build a mosque just three feet away from the church plot. In November 2009, Pastor Masegi began building a permanent church structure. Angry Muslims invaded the compound and destroyed the structure's foundation, the pastors said. Church leaders reported the destruction to police, who took no action - and also refused to release the crime report, so that the case could not go to court. The planned church building's fate appeared to have been sealed earlier this year when Western District Commissioner Ali Mohammed Ali notified Pastor Masegi that he had no right to hold worship in a house. "Now the Christian faithful are feeling targeted even by the government officials," said Pastor Masegi. Ladies and gentleman, Islam is an expansionist ideology that seeks world domination. Stand against it, or lose everything. Let not this abomination be erected on our Holy ground. Best regards, Peter Warner.

Posted by: Peter Warner at August 09, 2010 05:52 AM (DPQkC)

8 HH, The problem is that hole in the ground is in America, not NYC.

Posted by: Jean at August 09, 2010 05:53 AM (2w7HE)

9 Jingoists! If these vermin do not perish I will have to write insufferable appeals for cash donations every year.

Posted by: Chris Hayes at August 09, 2010 05:54 AM (R4rMI)

10 The Dome of the Rock Big Apple.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 09, 2010 05:54 AM (usjNq)

11 ace, there is this meal called breakfast. I recommend a scrapple, egg, and cheese on sourdough toast, with a coffee and a low sodium V8. Enjoy.

Posted by: Jean at August 09, 2010 05:56 AM (F6P43)

12 We know this, The people of New York know this. But the PTB in NYC either don't know this, or know and don't care. And I don't know which is worse, but they're functionally identical. Bloomberg needs a visit from Captain Obvious.

Posted by: brian at August 09, 2010 06:00 AM (y05cf)

13 Maybe praying will work against the mosque ?

Posted by: denny crane at August 09, 2010 06:03 AM (I+7Zv)

14 Hmmm... probably won't stop them, but from the NY Post.........

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Half baked Mosque
Developers only own part of site

Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 09, 2010 06:04 AM (3+oO2)

15 No Jean the big hole is here in NYC, a sinful city that was always despised by conservatives and is still not thought to be the home of "real" Americans

Posted by: denny crane at August 09, 2010 06:04 AM (I+7Zv)

16 Denny - please go to Home Depot, buy a 2x4, and pay someone to hit you in the head with it until you have a clue.

Posted by: brian at August 09, 2010 06:05 AM (y05cf)

19 No Jean the big hole is here in NYC, a sinful city that was always despised by conservatives and is still not thought to be the home of "real" Americans

There is an even bigger hole in your mother's mouth that she will blow me with.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at August 09, 2010 06:07 AM (zgZzy)

18 denny, finish your oj and don't miss the short bus; your mom doesn't want to drive you to "school" this morning.

Posted by: Jean at August 09, 2010 06:07 AM (vd5L0)

17 Maybe praying will work against the mosque ?

I'm praying you die. Hopefully my pull with the Big Guy will get that done.

Posted by: Jimmy Swaggert at August 09, 2010 06:08 AM (zgZzy)

20 If I was anywhere close to NYC I'd be awfully tempted to obtain some pig blood and dump it around the building they will replace with the mosque. Heh I'd love to start a community garden fertilized with hog excrement next door too. Then if they still want to build there in spite of the 'lack of sensitivity' being shown go for it but understand that I intend to exercise MY constitutional rights to use pork products and by products right there.

Posted by: Palerider at August 09, 2010 06:09 AM (f6ByO)

21 Why not just erect a huge piss fountain instead?

Posted by: Fritz at August 09, 2010 06:11 AM (GwPRU)

24 If I was anywhere close to NYC I'd be awfully tempted to obtain some pig blood and dump it around the building they will replace with the mosque.

Two words: Bacon rugs.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at August 09, 2010 06:12 AM (zgZzy)

23 I provoke you!

Posted by: tiny brain at August 09, 2010 06:12 AM (3+oO2)

24 Sounds like a great place to put an Orthodox church!

Posted by: apodoca at August 09, 2010 06:15 AM (JCHdz)

29 Sounds like a great place to put an Orthodox church!

A synagogue across the street!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 09, 2010 06:17 AM (zgZzy)

Sorry, but I can't fault the Muslims who want to build a mosque on that site.

I've got only contempt for the cowardly New Yorkers who will condone it, foolishly believing that appeasement will spare them from receiving another attack ....; the same incredible stupidity that got those damned fools into trouble twice in a 10 year period already.

Those assholes never learn. They deserve to be bombed into oblivion.

Fortunately for them, the Muslims don't realize that the rest of this country would consider it a favor to us if they would turn all five boros of New York City into a giant hole in the ground, and while they're at it, if they'll obliterate Chicago and San Francisco, too, I'll help them to build mosques where all three of those liberal bastions used to be..

Posted by: Muslims aren't my enemies. Democrats are my enemies. at August 09, 2010 06:24 AM (sYrWB)

HH, The problem is that hole in the ground is in America, not NYC.

Jean, I understand that. But it's their city, their turf. They went through it.

And if they don't have the stones to raise holy hell about this, then I'm sure as hell not going to fight for those who won't fight for themselves.

Posted by: HH at August 09, 2010 06:24 AM (6oDXl)

Anybody else notice that the newsweenies and tv talking hairdos now seem to have an official policy of referring to Muhammad as "the prophet"?

Anybody else wonder why they don't refer to Jesus as "son of God"?

Maybe the Catholics should skip bingo some Saturday night and cut off a few heads. That would probably help them get their minds right.

Posted by: rickinstl at August 09, 2010 06:27 AM (0AEWQ)

Maybe the Catholics should skip bingo some Saturday night and cut off a few heads. That would probably help them get their minds right.

Forget the Catholics. What about the Scientologists?!!!

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at August 09, 2010 06:29 AM (zgZzy)

30 St peter's Catholic Church is not far from Ground Zero. It is the Mother Church for Catholics in New York City Architecturally it is one of my favorites. It looks more like a bank or fortress than a church. It was a place of refuge and sanctuary for Catholics who were victims of natavist riots Giant bronze doors could be closed to protect the hordes of frightened Catholics when the mobs attacked. For the first 175 years or so after New Amsterdam/York was founded the Catholics were not allowed to build churches.

Posted by: denny crane at August 09, 2010 06:30 AM (I+7Zv)

31 Yeah, I remember all those Catholics flying planes into buildings for the first 175 years of New York's history.

Posted by: nickless at August 09, 2010 06:35 AM (MMC8r)

For the first 175 years or so after New Amsterdam/York was founded the Catholics were not allowed to build churches

And all this has something to do with moslems wanting to do an end zone dance on the wtc site how?

You're an infantile jackass. Anybody tell you that in the last 5 min? I'm sure it won't be long.

Posted by: rickinstl at August 09, 2010 06:35 AM (0AEWQ)

33 Denny, my man, you're funny. I hope that you keep posting here.

Posted by: Muslims aren't my enemies. Democrats are my enemies. at August 09, 2010 06:40 AM (sYrWB)

34 35 Infantile jackass!!

Posted by: steevy at August 09, 2010 06:40 AM (DRl4C)

35 Back from "the City" getting a blood test and what to I find? Ace posting before the top headline thread.

And I see the trolls are up early as well.

Posted by: Vic at August 09, 2010 06:40 AM (/jbAw)

36 The worlds oldest piece of chewing gum is over 9000 years old.

Posted by: tiny brain at August 09, 2010 06:44 AM (3+oO2)

Back from "the City" getting a blood test ...

Vic, not another Paternity Suit.

Posted by: HH at August 09, 2010 06:44 AM (6oDXl)

38 I like pie!

Posted by: denny john crane ryan at August 09, 2010 06:44 AM (MMC8r)

39 Fingernails grow nearly 4 times faster than toenails.

Posted by: tiny brain at August 09, 2010 06:45 AM (3+oO2)

40 Stove is hot.

Posted by: denny john crane ryan at August 09, 2010 06:46 AM (MMC8r)

41 i love lamp

Posted by: denny john crane ryan at August 09, 2010 06:46 AM (MMC8r)

42 More money is spent on gardening than on any other hobby.

Posted by: tiny brain at August 09, 2010 06:46 AM (3+oO2)

43 Food goes in here! (Points to belly.)

Posted by: Denny John Ryan Crane at August 09, 2010 06:52 AM (zgZzy)

44 "a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica"

Well now, where can I send my donation to get this fine project started?

Posted by: jimmuy at August 09, 2010 06:53 AM (g0gCx)

45 Pretty good timing steevy.

Posted by: rickinstl at August 09, 2010 06:54 AM (0AEWQ)

46 Angry Muslims invaded the compound and destroyed the structure's foundation, the pastors said.

I wonder how this would go over in NYC, if the shoe were on the other foot.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 06:55 AM (mHQ7T)

47 A Victory Mosque is less provocative than a cartoon Mohammed. What a funny world we're running here.

Posted by: t-bird at August 09, 2010 06:57 AM (FcR7P)

48 No Jean the big hole is here in NYC, a sinful city that was always despised by conservatives and is still not thought to be the home of "real" Americans.

It's our Big Hole, and we'll pee in it if we want to. Ground Zero is New York's Pity Potty, and fuck you real Americans with loved ones in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Denny's Crayon at August 09, 2010 06:59 AM (mHQ7T)

49 The big hole is right here, boys.

Posted by: tiny brain at August 09, 2010 07:01 AM (3+oO2)

50 And I don't give a damn what this group says about it being provocative. They'll do--and are doing--the same thing every other "moderate" moslem group does: Wring their hands, say pretty word and give hidden assent to exactly what the radicals want; all the while providing cover for the ruling elite in America to say, "See, see?! There are good moslems and you are an evil, heartless bigot for ever questioning the humility, humanity, kindness and peacefulness of islam!"

Posted by: jimmuy at August 09, 2010 07:04 AM (g0gCx)

51 Vic, not another Paternity Suit.

LOL, gettin' a little long in the tooth for that. No, it was a cholesterol followup.

Posted by: Vic at August 09, 2010 07:04 AM (/jbAw)

52 Muslims aren't my enemies. Democrats are my enemies.

Muslims who murder people in the name of Allah fund the Democratic party, and both are my enemy.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 07:04 AM (mHQ7T)

53 I'm still banned from Hot Air so I can't see who this Muslim is but for all his talk of how this or that is bad in the Koran he doesn't say shit about how his religion says kill infidels and lie to them as much as possible. I will not allow the scorpion on my back. I know what his nature is.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 09, 2010 07:04 AM (WZFkG)

54 I have a big hole, too. Think the muzzies will marry me and my partner?

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at August 09, 2010 07:06 AM (mHQ7T)

55 Thank you, Imam! May we have another?!

Posted by: rick at August 09, 2010 07:07 AM (oha8l)

56 I'm still banned from Hot Air

The quality of the comments there has really slumped, so don't worry.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 07:07 AM (mHQ7T)

57 I don't give a damn what this group says about it being provocative.

I'm glad moderate Muslims are speaking out against this, because we need to put as much pressure on it as possible. Muslim critics help our cause.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 07:09 AM (mHQ7T)

58 Maybe praying will work against the mosque?

That and lawsuits.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 07:10 AM (mHQ7T)

59 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 11:07 AM (mHQ7T) I don't feel too bad. Pat Caddell was probably banned too for using the term pre-revolutionary. And this site is far superior.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 09, 2010 07:11 AM (WZFkG)

60 Sorry, but I can't fault the Muslims who want to build a mosque on that site.

I can, because they're shitbags with connections to the Arab League and a bunch of phony "charities" that sponsor terrorism and funnel money to the Iranian mullahs. Look at the mosque at Falls Church, VA and imagine that times a thousand. They have.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 07:13 AM (mHQ7T)

61 I think this mosque is actually going to wind up being worse for Muslims than better. Like a big ugly shiner on a woman's face, and everyone knowing and increasingly hating the guy who did it.

Posted by: Mitt Romney again at August 09, 2010 07:15 AM (6GjHP)

62 the peaceful verse is abrogated by later nasty verses. As the 'peaceful' author well knows.

Posted by: jmb at August 09, 2010 07:16 AM (c8K1F)

So ask yourselves. If NYC had actually gotten around to building something, anything on this site would this whole controversy have come up?

It's only been NINE years!

Another reason I really don't care.

Posted by: HH at August 09, 2010 07:18 AM (6oDXl)

64 Still do not believe that mosque will be built. Even in our beloved country, it requires too many people to be really, really stupid for a really long time. I will lose all faith in our ability to defend ourselves if that thing actually goes up. And if it does go up, have we just gotten too decadent and too complacent to deserve to survive? Maybe at that point its time for some creative destruction because the old ways will clearly no longer be working.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 09, 2010 07:18 AM (qU57d)

65 the peaceful verse is abrogated by later nasty verses. As the 'peaceful' author well knows.

I think it's in the Sura that starts 'Okay, forget all that other shit...'

Posted by: nickless at August 09, 2010 07:19 AM (MMC8r)

66 I posted this story yesterday in your Imam Rauf thread. You could have gotten the link directly to the Ottawa Citizen instead of Hot Air. I guess that assumes you read the comments though....

Yeah, I'm in a pissy mood...what of it?

Posted by: Tami at August 09, 2010 07:24 AM (VuLos)

In other news ....

Have you ever noticed that unprincipled opportunist, blowhard and bullshit artist, Bill O'Reilly, doesn't know squat about any issues related to the military? He huffs, puffs and authoritatively states wacky opinions, which aren't supported by the facts. Bill is thee authority on bullshit. Kind of like Chrissy Matthews, but with a better haircut.

Posted by: Hey, where did Denny Crane go? Come back here, you little rascal. at August 09, 2010 07:25 AM (sYrWB)

68 66 I think this mosque is actually going to wind up being worse for Muslims than better. Like a big ugly shiner on a woman's face, and everyone knowing and increasingly hating the guy who did it.

Hey, I'd visit just to rub my bacon-greasy hands on the doorknobs, and I'm an abject coward. Imagine what really gutsy assholes will want to do.

Posted by: lauraw at August 09, 2010 07:32 AM (GLlKQ)

As I posted in another thread. This also fits well here I see...

I hope there is a day coming for these koombayah comrads have when they have to look up from a prone position, into the eyes of the evil they have ruthlessly defended, as the head choppers prepare to do "god's work". They will ask themselves, why me? But even then, they most likely will not understand what their depth of ignorance and depravity have wrought on themselves and others. I am convinced that the liberal loons must be viewed as an allied partner to the savages in this war if the USA has any hope of suriving.

Posted by: havedsah at August 09, 2010 07:40 AM (UTFx7)

70 Michael Bloomberg: "I N K! I N K! I N K! I N K where da money comes from! I N K if they have jihadi tourism trips to this mosque. I N K if they crow and dance that they took down the WTC and replace it with a symbol of Islamic supremacy. I - N - K!!!! Get used to it! Get over it!"

Posted by: apodoca at August 09, 2010 07:47 AM (JCHdz)

71 "Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?"

Of course they understand. It's the same reason they built a mosque on ruins of Solomon's Temple and converted the Hagia Sofia to a mosque. Mosques represent monuments to the victory of Allah. That's the point.

This is all part of a long term plan to subvert the West from within. Welcome to the slow motion civilizational suicide the totalitarian Left is undertaking on our behalf.

Posted by: 5th Level Fighter at August 09, 2010 08:28 AM (SgL5z)

72 Wow, you gotta really go off the rails to get banned at HotAir. It's nothing like the Animal Farm blog where accidental farting will get you "bid adieu."

Posted by: JimRich at August 09, 2010 08:36 AM (dWDWG)

73 Too bad Sabrett are all-beef hot dogs. A lot of pork sausage carts lining the street in front would be a nice, if small, protest.

I'm wondering if there are too many moving parts for this to really come off. Certainly this group is providing cover to end this project by making the mosque-builders look extreme.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 09, 2010 08:37 AM (T0NGe)

Imagine what really gutsy assholes will want to do.

You rang?

Posted by: Gutsy Asshole With Truckload Of Shoes And Bacon at August 09, 2010 08:43 AM (Fr99L)

75 Real story here is New Yorkers, not Muslims. They picked NYCers for candy asses in the SAn Francisco mold--and they picked right. NYC can institute Sharia law for all I care. Just keep it there in the City that Never Sleeps. haha

Posted by: louis tully at August 09, 2010 09:02 AM (K/USr)

76 They should all just have a massive piss-in at the hole in the ground. A lot cheaper for them.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 09, 2010 10:15 AM (fuw6p)

77 First, to correct the article, the alleged slaughter of Srebrenica is something we should be a little careful about. In addition, there were Muslims fighting with the Serbs, including the action that re-took Srebrenica. I don't think a whole lot of non-Muslims were involved in 9-11.

Second, it's important to note that Islam has a history of behaving in just this way. I mean, Hagia Sophia, in Constantinople, wasn't built with four minarets around it, nor did it have giant emblems with Arabic writing covering the icons in place. That is, until the Muslims invaded and used the church as a symbol of Muslim victory over Christianity. This is only one example. (Dhimmi laws that, to this day, even in "secular" countries like Turkey, forbid building new or repairing old churches, the wearing of any distinctly Christian garb or symbols in public, etc., are examples of a different kind).

With all the info we're finding out about where the money is coming from, I have a really hard time believing this is anything other than a typical Muslim attempt to plant a flag on the ground, or as near to it as possible, of a Muslim "victory."

the sinner,

Patrick

Posted by: Patrick at August 09, 2010 10:50 AM (+HRJG)

78 Nice mosque ya got here. Shame if anything happenned to it.

Posted by: Tony Soprano at August 09, 2010 11:45 AM (blNMI)

79 Those two gents writing in the Ottawa paper best be careful, they could be sued by the Canadian Human Rights Commissions for hate speech.

Posted by: JS at August 09, 2010 01:05 PM (vvckl)

80 Wow, you gotta really go off the rails to get banned at HotAir.

No, you don't. It's fairly innocuous stuff.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2010 03:49 PM (mHQ7T)

81 All I can say is history repeats itself-The Muslims are the new Nazis.

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