February 24, 2010

Wednesday Poll Stuff
— Dave in Texas

Round up over at Policitcal Wire, Rubio leading Charlie Crist by 18 points (notice in October he was down 14). Tell me what a difference the last few months have made.

Also Toomey leads Sestak and Specter in general election matchups for PA Senate, 18 and 10 points respectively. Republican Rob Portman holds small general election leads over Democrats Jennifer Brunner and Lee Fisher in Ohio.

Added [Gabe]: And public support for unions has collapsed. And only 10% rate Congress positively. /Gabe

As has been mentioned before, see kid: not getting cocky.


via TheDailyCaller on Twitter.

Texas governor race stuff below the fold. Here in Texas, Rick "Adios, Mofo" Perry has a big lead over Kay Bailey Hutchison, setting up a scenario where if Perry doesn't get the 50% and a runoff is forced, Kay Bailey would be pressed to step aside so Perry could focus his fundraising and campaign against the likely Dem candidate Bill White. Depends on how many Texas Republicans vote for 9/11 Truther Debra Medina and what Kay thinks she could do with those votes in a runoff. I've been whacked upside the head with campaign ads from both Perry and Hutchison for weeks now (neither of which are particularly compelling); his single message "she's a DC insider" seems to have taken hold.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 05:42 AM | Comments (104)
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1 What exactly is the rationale for Kay Bailey Hutchison's campaign?

Perry seems like a reasonably popular guy and an odd target for a primary from a long time sitting US Senator.

Does she want to come home and feel entitled to a government paycheck? From a distance, her run makes no sense at all.

Posted by: DrewM. at February 24, 2010 05:47 AM (9B5OK)

2

I have not been able to crack that code. I have no idea why she would leave the Senate for the Governor's mansion unless she had higher aspirations after that. And Perry has been a generally popular governor, and the state is in reasonably good shape in this economy (weathering it better than most).

 

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 24, 2010 05:50 AM (WvXvd)

3 Does she want to come home and feel entitled to a government paycheck? Yep, pretty much. For the best Kay bashing check out: www.washingtonKay.com Pretty compelling and a bonus if you already hate her.

Posted by: Zatara at February 24, 2010 05:51 AM (nz654)

4
Rubio's rise in the polls tells us what?

It tells us that Obama's policies are wrongheaded. It tells us the rejection of Crist is really a rejection of Obama's agenda.

It also tells us Scott Brown's vote was boneheaded. There is no good reason whatsoever for Scott Brown to vote with the Democrats. It was a bad bill and it doesn't help Scott Brown's political career one bit.

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 05:51 AM (jVldi)

5

Perry nailed Hutchison early on with his ad showing her promise not to vote for the Stimulus bill the day before she did vote for it.  After that, suggesting she's a DC insider not concerned of the wishes of her constituents became easy.

She too is right about Perry's misguided adventure with the Trans-Texas Corridor, but that actually worked more for him in the end than her.  He eventually gave up that bad idea.  She can't take back her Stimulus vote.

Posted by: Leland at February 24, 2010 05:53 AM (Q5asM)

6
What's up with Murtha's seat? Any special election being considered? How about the House seat vacated by that asshole in Florida?

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 05:53 AM (jVldi)

7

I had heard KBH was tired, particularly of Washington, but wanted to finish her career, still in politics, but at home.  Closer to family.

Hopefully, after this loss, she hangs 'em up for good.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 05:55 AM (ucq49)

8

"How about the House seat vacated by that asshole in Florida?"

Wexler.  Special election in Apr

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 05:56 AM (ucq49)

9 Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet, gentlemen.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 24, 2010 05:56 AM (5aa4z)

10 Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 24, 2010 09:50 AM (WvXvd)

I'm glad it's not just me. I thought I was missing something glaringly obvious.

If she thinks this is a stepping stone to something, she's crazy.

First, I think I speak for many when I say the "We want Kay for President" cohort is extremely, er, selective.

Second, she's going to be 67 this year. She's not running in '12 and she'll be 73 in 2016. She can't think she needs to run for Governor to be tabbed as VP (and she's alredy to old for that).

Maybe she just really digs Austin.

Posted by: DrewM. at February 24, 2010 05:57 AM (9B5OK)

11

Wexler.  Special election in Apr


ahh, thanks, AoS commenter with incomprehensible handle

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 05:58 AM (jVldi)

12 One problem for KBH is that she keeps saying that Rick Perry has been Governor for to long, which is rich coming from her position when she said that she would only serve 2 terms in congress but is finishing up her 3rd.  Also she is trying to run on a "conservative" platform, her voting record is anything but, and Perry has been hitting her hard on that.  And it seems that her only attacks on Perry are the toll roads, trans texas corridor and TXDOT.  Only problem is that a majority of folks like the toll roads for commuting purposes and the trans texas corridor is a long dead issue.     

Posted by: Opus at February 24, 2010 06:00 AM (IebeI)

13

"AoS commenter with incomprehensible handle"

VB1.0 - Veteran, Banhammer 1.0

CS1st - Clam Slammer 1st Class

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 06:01 AM (ucq49)

14
Texans: Who is John Cornyn supporting?

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 06:02 AM (jVldi)

15 The Kay Bailey ads have gotten very desperate now that we're in early voting here in Texas.  Last night there was one attacking Perry for living in a $10,000 / month 'luxury' house, hoping that Texans will forget that the Governor's Mansion burned down 19 months ago, are raising private funds for the restoration that should begin in March. 

Posted by: phreshone at February 24, 2010 06:03 AM (1AnxB)

16

VB1.0 - Veteran, Banhammer 1.0

CS1st - Clam Slammer 1st Class

==============================

ahh, of course!

I'm boner of the Balls Deep division of AoSHQ Morons, Class of 2005.

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 06:04 AM (jVldi)

17

5

Actually I think it was her vote on TARP, not the Stimulus.  But either way it has been a gold mine for Perry. 

Posted by: Opus at February 24, 2010 06:04 AM (IebeI)

18
Yeah, she didn't vote Stimulus.

Is the TARP vote really that bad? Hasn't most of it been paid back?

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 06:05 AM (jVldi)

19

I also think that Medina's only support now is the die hard Paultards.

Posted by: Opus at February 24, 2010 06:06 AM (IebeI)

20

>> Maybe she just really digs Austin.

Like someone just said, probably Gov was just the last thing on her "to do" list.

Perry was smart enough to get off the TTC bandwagon and on the toll road gig because he saw the general frustration here was interstate traffic. We kinda like the toll roads, particularly in Houston and Austin.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 24, 2010 06:07 AM (WvXvd)

21 KBH started this a few years ago when Perry was taking heat (and KBH is still hitting those 3 year old points), however Texans know that in 2008 the State created more jobs than all other 49 combined.   I knew Perry won this last year the day he mentioned 'succession' regarding the Stimulus.  KBH having voted for it is a nail-in-coffin moment.

Posted by: phreshone at February 24, 2010 06:07 AM (1AnxB)

22

KBH lost me yrs ago.  Said there weren't enough engineers, computer scientists, and ITs, so we need more green cards.

There was no shortage of heads.  Just not enough to willing work for half the going rate.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 06:10 AM (ucq49)

23 What's funny is that the same points that KBH brings up about Perry; TTC, toll roads, is the same attack points that Kinky Fredman was using (when he was still in the race for Gov.).  That tells you how desperate KBH is.

Posted by: Opus at February 24, 2010 06:11 AM (IebeI)

24

"Yeah, she didn't vote Stimulus."

Didn't she vote for cloture tho?  Same thing now days.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 06:11 AM (ucq49)

25

The other good news in the Quinnipiac poll regarding Ohio is pretty much what you'd expect: both state and federal government is deemed to be pretty much worthless (my sum up, obviously). Also, if the past year is any indication, Fisher and Brunner will hopefully eat each other alive while Portman strolls in and takes the seat. The favorable over unfavorables regarding the Tea Party movement are +9 with a whopping 43% saying don't know.

Governor's race sidenote: Strickland leads Kasich which kind of surprised me. I figured Strickland's incessant cheerleading of the $400 million "high-speed" rail boongoggle would knock a few numbers off his approval but evidently I was wrong. Which is really a normal day for me.

Posted by: ErikW at February 24, 2010 06:14 AM (k31Bo)

26
Has Sarah Palin endorsed Pat Toomey?

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 06:18 AM (jVldi)

27 1994 returns in "Temper Tantrum II - The Anal Invasion"

Posted by: eman at February 24, 2010 06:21 AM (cop54)

28  Drudge is Dipping again

Posted by: Mjim at February 24, 2010 06:22 AM (V8B//)

29

Round up over at Policitcal Wire, Rubio leading Charlie Crist by 18 points (notice in October he was down 14). Tell me what a difference the last few months have made.

Yes, this just illustrates the overwhelming support I have from the American public for my agenda such as health care reform and Cap'n Trade.

Hope n change baby, hope n change.

Posted by: Precedent Zero at February 24, 2010 06:26 AM (U0oFg)

30 As others have mentioned, the Stimulus looks like it will be the scarlet letter this year. HealthCare and Cap & Trade, etc. will all be important, but not as good at pinning someone as crooked, Socialist, sneaky, weak, reckless, just plain stupid, or a blend of the above.

Posted by: eman at February 24, 2010 06:28 AM (cop54)

31 In other "unexpected" news, home sales in January were lowest EVER.

Gee, it's like people aren't buying this whole "recovery" thing.

Posted by: shibumi at February 24, 2010 06:30 AM (OKZrE)

32 Perry really ticked me off on several issues when he first came into office, and I really did not envision a scenario in which I would be voting for him this go around.  Then KBH and Medina came into the picture and then I decided that I could pull the level for the Gov Goodhair.  Then I went home and drank tequila.

I just really can't see why KBH is running for Gov either.  It has been a really strange candidacy.

Posted by: JAFKIAC at February 24, 2010 06:31 AM (b8VTT)

33 Thanks for the insights on the Texas Governor's race.  I didn't understand it either.  Perry seems like a good gov to me. 

'Any chance he'll be a POTUS candidate at some point?

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2010 06:32 AM (Kn9r7)

34 Commercial Real Estate collapsing into a quivering pile of goo will be tons of fun. Yesterday, near San Francisco, I saw what looked like a brand-new 10-story office building with an enormous sign on it saying, "Full Building Available". Seemed odd.

Posted by: eman at February 24, 2010 06:35 AM (cop54)

35

We're already seeing the anti-Sink ads down here in FL. Alex Sink D-FL (a dudette) is currently the state comptroller running for the same seat as Rubio and Crist.

Crist really needs to get a grip, withdraw from the Senate race and run for governor again. He's a squish and we all know it, but he's less of a threat in Tallahassee than in Washington.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 24, 2010 06:37 AM (i3AsK)

36

"Commercial Real Estate collapsing into a quivering pile of goo will be tons of fun. "

There's a move afoot, destined to fail, to add the twin mortgage zombies & GSE losses to the Fed budget & hence the debt.  Yep, these offline items amt to $6.3 trillion (and counting).

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 06:41 AM (ucq49)

37 It's too bad the Governor of MA, Princess Patrick can't join in the 2010 festivities. Is Rubio in Florida actually picking up Dem support or is it Pubs and Inds?

Posted by: eman at February 24, 2010 06:41 AM (cop54)

38 It's too bad the Governor of MA, Princess Patrick can't join in the 2010 festivities.

Huh?  He's going down in 2010.  Charlie Baker, baby.

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 06:43 AM (akk3Z)

39 that coconut Rubio should get on a raft and go back to Cuba!  By the way, you tea partiers are racists!!!

Posted by: Donny Doosh at February 24, 2010 06:44 AM (o5TP2)

40 Oh, he's up this year? I thought he was off-year. Thanks for fixing my boo-boo. And woo-hoo!

Posted by: eman at February 24, 2010 06:45 AM (cop54)

41

>> 'Any chance he'll be a POTUS candidate at some point?

I don't see it, but weirder things have happened to the White House from Texas.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 24, 2010 06:45 AM (WvXvd)

42 I just really can't see why KBH is running for Gov either.  It has been a really strange candidacy.

Her Senate seat is up for another contest in 2012.  Running for Governor now even though she can't win is just another way to keep her donors close.

Posted by: wtfci at February 24, 2010 06:45 AM (+zo63)

43
I dunno, Tim Cahill might split the vote. The good news, however, is Jill Stein entering the race as a Green party candidate.

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 06:46 AM (jVldi)

44 Unexpectedly, a nation run by an inexperienced Affirmative Action Marxist from Pineapple Land is flushing itself down the toilet for good.

Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2010 06:46 AM (Hj42Z)

45 But can Hayworth unseat John McLame? (I know, fat chance, but...)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 24, 2010 06:46 AM (ujg0T)

46 I just really can't see why KBH is running for Gov either.  It has been a really strange candidacy.

Posted by: JAFKIAC at February 24, 2010 10:31 AM (b8VTT)

Early last year, she must have thought that 2010 would be a good year for a RINO-lite Senator to run in Texas.

Not a good move, in retrospect....

Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2010 06:48 AM (Hj42Z)

47 Still undecided on the Texas primary.  Corrupt senator, corrupt governor, or insane truther wacko?  I feel compelled to stay home on primary day since I won't be voting for any of those clowns in November.

Posted by: John Galt has not been banned yet at February 24, 2010 06:49 AM (F/4zf)

48 9 Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet, gentlemen. Spoilsport.

Posted by: That Sorba Guy at February 24, 2010 06:49 AM (AZGON)

49 I'm tempted to switch my PA reg. to Dem. just to give myself the ability to vote twice against Snarlen Arlen, the former poster-boy for Big Stupid Tent Republicanism.  Pat Toomey the conservative is going to make a great US Senator, and George Bush and Karl Rove won't be there to stop him this time!

Posted by: Louis Tully at February 24, 2010 06:50 AM (jat5l)

50

Couple more things about Texas.  One, word is a lot of Democrats are crossing to vote in the Republican primary this year, for Medina, just to screw everything up and force a runoff.  And what do you know, early voting in the GOP primary is up about 146% over 2008.  Hard to say how much of that is Dems and how much is because this primary is where the action is for governor and most other offices in the state - and because people are just fired up to vote against Democrats.  The latter is definitely a big factor.  This is Texas we're talking about.

Two, watch the Dallas Morning News spin, spin, spin a new poll showing that 54% of Texas Hispanics self-identify as conservative.

Posted by: Alan Smithee at February 24, 2010 06:50 AM (F7GbV)

51 Ah, Snarlin' Arlen tanking warms the cockles of my overstressed heart. I just hope he wins the Demonrat nomination so Toomey can whack him in the general.

Posted by: joncelli at February 24, 2010 06:50 AM (RD7QR)

52 And woo-hoo!

Don't be surprised if he answers his "call to duty" in the form of a position in the BO admin before the election season gets into full swing.  Baker has raised more money than all his opponents combined.

Barry couldn't even fill the room at Cadillac Deval's fundraiser back in October. 

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 06:51 AM (akk3Z)

53

"I don't see it, but weirder things have happened to the White House from Texas."

Well, he was one of us, so if he decides to run, we'll vote for him.

Posted by: Duvall Co cemetary at February 24, 2010 06:51 AM (ucq49)

54

I'll take Perry over Hutchison in a heartbeat.

Main reason: the shitty little Texas Dims would love to see Perry out. They/ll fuck up this state in a heartbeat, and Texas will lneed to loom larger as the only major Reddish state in the nation.

Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2010 06:54 AM (Hj42Z)

55 And only 10% rate Congress positively. Proof that about 33 million Americans have cinder blocks for brains.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 24, 2010 06:54 AM (AZGON)

56
I can't stand Randell, but as a politician, I have to give him credit, he is smart. If he was running the DNC, I would be afraid, very afraid.

Yep and Yep. Although Howard Dean proved to be a better DNC chair than Rendell, imo.

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 06:55 AM (jVldi)

57 Turn out and vote for Toomey.  Every vote counts even in a primary.  Sestak is a much better candidate than Spector.

The White House can always offer Spector the SecNavy position.

Posted by: wtfci at February 24, 2010 06:57 AM (+zo63)

58 TEACHER TAKES DOWN SCHOOL GUNMAN

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 24, 2010 06:58 AM (MQPnh)

59 Two, watch the Dallas Morning News spin, spin, spin a new poll showing that 54% of Texas Hispanics self-identify as conservative.


Hispanics, culturally are conservative you will see them vote more and more for conservative agendas.  In Texas, Hispanics are better assimilated into the mainstream than any other state of the union. 

Posted by: beerologist at February 24, 2010 07:00 AM (tgXx6)

60

Who would have expected it?

The Left Will Try to Split the Conservative Vote

http://tiny.cc/jOCpe

Posted by: shocked! shocked! at February 24, 2010 07:00 AM (ucq49)

61 I dunno, Tim Cahill might split the vote. The good news, however, is Jill Stein entering the race as a Green party candidate.

I don't think Cahill is getting the traction.  We shall see.

I can't wait to see that weasel, Mihos get stomped.


Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 07:00 AM (akk3Z)

62 None of the candidates will touch "illegals"....

Or the problem of sanctuary cities........

KBH voted for Obama's nazi youth program, and for S-Chip.....

During the amnesty mess, calling her office was enough to never have her in office....she would not commit her vote until the actual vote on the floor.....hag...

Posted by: non_dhimmie at February 24, 2010 07:01 AM (zACGu)

63 Why would anyone offer anything to Spector? President Easy Bake has no concept of loyalty and certainly neither does Spector. Spector has no more pull of any kind. He dumped the GOP; they ain't gonna help him. He ran off with the DEMs; after he loses a DEM Senate seat they are going to say, "Who?" He's toast.

Posted by: eman at February 24, 2010 07:02 AM (cop54)

64
Mihos is getting his just desserts. Serves him right for torpedo-ing the Kerry Healy campaign.

Tim Cahill, is proving to be a shrewd pol. He's pretty much ripping off Scott Brown.

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 24, 2010 07:02 AM (jVldi)

65 KBH is very responsive to her constituents.  Whether I email or send a letter.  Same result. SIX MONTHS later, I get a boiler plate form letter.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 24, 2010 07:05 AM (ucq49)

66 The only reason I can think of why Sen. Brown voted for the jobs bill was to stop the "party of no" bullshit from the libs whom I depise.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 24, 2010 07:11 AM (oof8U)

67 I'm married to a Latina, socially her entire (rather large) family is conservative. Yet all are registered Democrats.

I have no explanation.

Posted by: Chris R at February 24, 2010 07:15 AM (AO4qz)

68

Funny thing about the Texas gov spot: It's a weak executive. All he can do is appoint boards and commissions, line-item veto (risky), and outright veto, which can be overridden.

Texas structured it that way after the Civil War, in case the Union re-imposed appointed governors at some point. *shrug* I hear a lot of southern states are built similar.

The real power in Texas is in the lieutenant gov's position. If he can control 13 (of 25) votes in the state senate, he pretty much determines what legislation will get approved or fail.

If it's prestige you want, run for governor. If it's power, run for lieutenant.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 24, 2010 07:16 AM (2QFX4)

69

What I don't understand about Brown is that, had it played it right, he could potentialy have been president. Mitt Romney needed to stay away from McCain too. It's like they don't believe the right really exists or that they need to separate themselves from it because........the media will like them better? the cocktail parties on the left are more fun? they buy this big tent crap?

These "republicans" need to get a clue and be real republicans even for their own careers. I understand the idealogical wont to move to the center but it doesn't help their careers it fucks their careers.

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 07:19 AM (NjAB3)

70 I actually considered Medina until she waffled on the "truther" issue.  Perry has his faults (I refuse to idolize any politician, including Palin or Rubio), but on the whole he's done a good job.  My ideal politician promises to do nothing but keep out of my pocket and out of my way.  Anyone says "I'll fight for you!" and I'm running the other way.  KBH feels unfulfilled without being able to add governor to her resume.  She decided she needed to enrich her lifestyle by adopting two small children in her 60s (who are presumably being raised by an illegal immigrant nanny) and now wants to come back to Texas to take equally good care of the rest of us.  This includes pushing increased immigration and supposedly supporting border security while refusing to fund it, voting for most of Obama's agenda (including being the first Republican - before the twisted sisters from Maine - to end discussion on a military appropriations bill to make way for the health care horror show) and constantly polishing her "bipartisan" credentials.  Who gives a f$%^ what Cornyn thinks?  He was booed at the Tea Party he tried to horn in on last year, and under his direction Charlie Christ and Dede Scozzafava got lots of cash - which is why I can't wait for a genuine Texas conservative to challenge him when he's up for reelection, so I can work my tail off to get another Rino out of the senate.

Posted by: Sheila at February 24, 2010 07:19 AM (3dkqq)

71 The only reason I can think of why Sen. Brown voted for the jobs bill was to stop the "party of no" bullshit from the libs whom I depise.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 24, 2010 11:11 AM (oof8U)

Hi Nam!

He called the Howie Carr show yesterday and took some heat from callers.  He held his own. 

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 07:20 AM (akk3Z)

Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2010 07:23 AM (+kzvp)

73 76 The only reason I can think of why Sen. Brown voted for the jobs bill was to stop the "party of no" bullshit from the libs whom I depise.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 24, 2010 11:11 AM (oof8U)

Hi Nam!

He called the Howie Carr show yesterday and took some heat from callers.  He held his own. 

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 11:20 AM (akk3Z)

I remember during his victory speech, he specifically mentioned working with the Obmination for a jobs bill. So, he is keeping his word. I still rather have a RINO than a Dem

Posted by: Mike H at February 24, 2010 07:24 AM (LdYLm)

74 OK, aside from this railroad corridor thing, what's wrong with Perry?  The state is doing well, I thought he was one of the governors who threatened to go nuclear if universal healthcare was passed, and he's been getting Bs from Cato (the write-up for 2008 emphasized the negatives, but he still got a B). 

I keep hearing these vague knocks on him (except for the specific knocks by LGF that he's a creationist), but nothing specific.  Being less ultra-pure conservative than one would dream is not the same as being a bad governor.  So what gives? 

What's this corruption being alluded to?  

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2010 07:25 AM (Kn9r7)

75 And only 10% rate Congress positively.

מנא ,מנא, תקל, ופרסין

Posted by: the moving finger at February 24, 2010 07:30 AM (PD1tk)

76

When Beck exposed Medina's troofiness, I predicted that the Jones crowd would out Beck as a bigtime Bilderberger.

I was wrong. Clearly, he is a CIA operative engaged in Operation Mockingbird which pits journalists from the left and the right against Those Who Know the Troof.

Well that's what my Jones-following buddy tells me.

Posted by: kallisto at February 24, 2010 07:32 AM (+FkcS)

77 I can't stand Randell, but as a politician, I have to give him credit, he is smart.

When you have no moral qualms, it is easy to defeat your enemies.

Posted by: Niccolo Machiavelli at February 24, 2010 07:39 AM (T0NGe)

78 71 I'm married to a Latina, socially her entire (rather large) family is conservative. Yet all are registered Democrats.

I have no explanation.

I have a theory about cultural conservatives, such as Hispanics and blacks, who vote Dem.  One is that the we are misinterpreting how culturally conservative they really are.  For lots of folks, church and family are more about their social and family life than they are about their philosophical or intellectual life -- so they are not really as "conservative" as we think they are.  Also, if you feel really secure in your immediate personal life and social circle (because they are so close-knit), you may be less inclined to see how government is intruding on that.  You become insulated, so things like gay marriage or prayer in schools or whatever the social conservative issues are don't impact you -- you, and your entire family, are going to do whatever you want to do.  And the other government issues -- entitlement programs, taxes, unions/jobs, etc -- are therefore assessed on "how does this affect me personally (in the short-term)" level, rather than from the standpoint of "this is my political philosophy." 

Other groups that are thought of as socially conservative -- Mormons and Catholics (non-Hispanic) -- have other factors going on.  I think in the case of Mormons, they integrate their religious/cultural/social life in with their work life (as I understand it the Mormon business community is very cohesive), so they can't escape the impact of liberal policies on their lifestyle.  Church seems to be everything for Mormons, not just a comforting family thing. 

Catholics, sigh, are a mess by virtue of the fact that the U.S. Catholic bishops have been bucking the Vatican for decades.  Hell, I remember my parents marching us out of Mass when I was a kid when the priests went off on Vietnam, migrant workers, and other issues.  Let's face it, there are Catholics and there are Catholics.  In my experience, white Catholics do not treat church-going as a social or extended family experience.  It's more of an obligation, habit, ritual and intellectual/philosophical experience -- more of a nuclear family thing than an extended family/cultural thing.  So they are more susceptible to the influence of the local priests, who tend to be social liberals.  And, of course, the Vatican itself has taken positions (on wars, the death penalty, and other "social justice" issues) that are left-leaning. 

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2010 07:44 AM (Kn9r7)

79

I remember during his victory speech, he specifically mentioned working with the Obmination for a jobs bill. So, he is keeping his word. I still rather have a RINO than a Dem

Posted by: Mike H at February 24, 2010 11:24 AM (LdYLm)

I believe on taxes, cap & trade, spending, health care and national defense he will do the right thing.

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 07:46 AM (akk3Z)

80 '71 I'm married to a Latina, socially her entire (rather large) family is conservative. Yet all are registered Democrats. I have no explanation." Because at the school, city and state level,the government they actually see and interact with it overwhelmingly Democrat. This is what insular fools like John McCain don't get. They can act as bipartisan as they want in DC, but by the time the goodies actually get to the street, it's a Democrat handing out the checks and controlling the access to the services.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 24, 2010 07:50 AM (MQPnh)

81 Perry seems like a reasonably popular guy and an odd target for a primary from a long time sitting US Senator.

I live in Texas and the reason is Perry is hated among the Kay Bailey crowd, who are David Frum types. Kay Bailey is pro-choice and regardless of what she says, open borders. Democrats and the Frum/Hutchinson types are working together trying to get rid of the "good ol' boy"/evil christian types  like Perry. While Bush was prez, there was a huge push by dems to turn Texas blue just to stick it to Dubya and it was actually pretty successful. The Texas lege is basically 50/50 at this point with R's only having a couple of seats majority and the big urban areas like Dallas and Houston are solidly dem now. The R's in those urban areas are Kay Bailey's base and like i said, they're the Frum types that hate Christians, hate Palin and think Andi Sullivan is a reasonable guy. So she thought the tide was turning her way, and may have been right if not for the backlash against obama and dems in general this year. As it is, she doesn't have a chance and nobodys even paying attention to the dem candidates, did you know Kinky Friedman is running as a dem this year? Probably not. Once Perry wins the primary, he's got it wrapped up.

Posted by: koopy at February 24, 2010 07:53 AM (ctR4U)

82 Toomey up by that much, that was kind of surprising to me.  Things must really suck in PA for a repub to have that kind of lead.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 24, 2010 07:53 AM (cpuvG)

83 86

I remember during his victory speech, he specifically mentioned working with the Obmination for a jobs bill. So, he is keeping his word. I still rather have a RINO than a Dem

Posted by: Mike H at February 24, 2010 11:24 AM (LdYLm)

I believe on taxes, cap & trade, spending, health care and national defense he will do the right thing.

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 11:46 AM (akk3Z)

Yep, I agree with that, with maybe the exception of spending. Most RINOs don't have an issue with spending (as an exsistence proof see the last time the Republicans controlled Congress).

Posted by: Mike H at February 24, 2010 07:55 AM (LdYLm)

84 Oh, as for Debra Medina, she had a good shot but after her 9-11 truther coming out party, only the Ron Paul crowd is sticking with her.

Posted by: koopy at February 24, 2010 07:59 AM (ctR4U)

85 The most recent Perry disaster was the proposal for mandatory HPV vaccinations with insinuations of Merck payola.  He has a habit of breaking campaign promises and people around here who serviced his oil wells before he was governor say he's a crook who owes them money.

A typical politician in other words.

Posted by: John Galt has not been banned yet at February 24, 2010 08:10 AM (F/4zf)

86 KBH on the on the other hand has voted to bail out companies she owns stock in.

Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect capital gains on said stocks.


Posted by: John Galt at February 24, 2010 08:20 AM (F/4zf)

87

 In my experience, white Catholics do not treat church-going as a social or extended family experience.  It's more of an obligation, habit, ritual and intellectual/philosophical experience -- more of a nuclear family thing than an extended family/cultural thing.  So they are more susceptible to the influence of the local priests, who tend to be social liberals.  And, of course, the Vatican itself has taken positions (on wars, the death penalty, and other "social justice" issues) that are left-leaning. 

I'm a WASP convert to Catholicism and the Church militant (those living now) makes me nuts. The USCCB are lefty libtards, probably gay, and think that "social justice" (i.e. marxism) is the end all and be all of Catholicism.

This error started in the 60s and 70s after Vatican II when the changes brought about by the conference were misinterpreted by the always annoying and utterly useless baby boomers.

The catechization of the people for the next 30 years was based on a theology consisting of mainly, "butterflies are free." I also find that most white catholics are 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation immigrants and think like they still live within the shadow of the european castle.

There are some excellent priests but they chose to gravitate toward dioceses where their are other heterosexual conservative priests so you get decent parishes all lumped together. For example, if you take a person from say Lincoln Nebraska and set him down in a mass in Milwalkee, he will go apopleptic at the obvious liberal liturgical abuses.

There have been some significant inroads in catechization since the publishing of a new Catechism in 1992 but it's going to take a while. The other thing that most of those who were educated by the liberals don't understand is that the Church has doctrine which you have to believe (abortion is always evil) and social doctrine which is a suggestion (the Iraq war is bad).

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 08:48 AM (NjAB3)

88

As I've said many times previously, I despise Perry with the heat of a thousand suns.  My displeasure with him is eclipsed only by my loathing for Hutchison.  I'm not voting for either of them.  I'm sorely tempted to vote for Medina, despite her truthiness.  The only thing stopping me is you can't plan around crazy.  And frankly, after the reaction of her supporters when her truthiness slipped out, I'm not interested in helping them gain any political power.

Bah.  We suffered the Alamo, we'll suffer this.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at February 24, 2010 08:51 AM (pZEar)

89 Yeah, i should have mentioned that others don't like Perry because of the vaccine stuff and the Trans Texas Corridor/eminent domain shit, which is why he's in danger of a run off, he'll still win though.

Posted by: koopy at February 24, 2010 09:29 AM (ctR4U)

90 I don't live in Texas, so I don't have a vote in this, but if I did it would be Hutchison, Hutchison, Hutchison.  Don't squawk to me about how she's a RINO or something -- the TX governor doesn't even have much power anyway, for chrissakes.  All I know is that Rick Perry must be put down, like a mad dog, electorally.  He's sleazy as all hell. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 24, 2010 09:37 AM (l1KFP)

91

Pecos Perry has stumbled (forced HPV vaccinations, TTC, alien-owned toll roads, business franchise tax) and last election he ran hard on border security, then once elected decided we don't need no stinkin' border fence.  During hurricane IKE relief, Perry's people mucked up FEMA's initial distribution of ice/water/food in the Houston area.  Still, Texas has prospered with him as Gov.

KBH's reluctance to commit to a position on key issues prior to the floor vote turns me off.   Not very leader like.  She gets points though for not resigning her Senate seat while running for Gov in order to cast NO votes on ObamaCare.  Her recent attack ads (radio) on Perry reek of desperation.

Medina?  Has never held any elected office, therefore is categorically unqualified for Gov (even a weak Gov office as is done in TX).

Bill White did a decent job as Houston's mayor, except for the sanctuary city policies and for being politically aligned with the Democrats.  All political BS aside, he showed tremendous leadership during hurricane IKE, going ballistic on FEMA and Gov Perry's team when FEMA trailers full of ice/water/food sat idling for dozens of hours in the Reliant Center.  He has heart and leads from the frontline.

Farouk Shami?  see Medina

With one week to go, Perry has his faults, yes.  Perry needs watching and I would not be surprised when corruption charges come up (baseless or otherwise).  Perry wants the job and neither KBH nor Medina have proven their case of being a better alternative.

Absent any Clayton Williams moments, Perry takes the Primary and is re-elected in the General, then sets his sights on the White House in 2012.

 

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 24, 2010 09:37 AM (2g2ex)

92 then sets his sights on the White House in 2012.

I can't think of anyone I would less like to vote for in a Presidential election than Rick Perry.  Even Sarah Palin would be preferable.  Christ, even Huckabee.  But Perry is so thoroughly oleaginous that even my rock-ribbed hardcore Texas conservative friends have severe misgivings about him (they don't much like KBH either -- proof, I suppose, of their bona fides). 

The nation has had enough of Texas governors for awhile, don't you think?

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 24, 2010 09:46 AM (l1KFP)

93 I didn't realize just how many folks who comment here let the alcoholic Truther Glenn Beck do their thinking for them.

Anyone who believes Medina is a troofer is either stumping for Perry or KBH or too lazy to investigate Becks' crazy allegations.  Both Beck and even Sarah Palin are on record as

Beck is also on record as supporting Perry, so his job was to smear Medina after setting her up on the radio call-in.

Medina (not a career politician) immediately knew she had been set up and had been played, and she has spent the last week or so trying to drown out the lies of the Perry and KBH smear merchants.

For the record: " I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way." - Debra Medina, about 30 minutes after the Beck smear job.


Posted by: TXMarko at February 24, 2010 09:55 AM (tU+04)

94 Previous post should read in paragraph 2:

"Anyone who believes Medina is a troofer is either stumping for Perry or KBH or too lazy to investigate Becks' crazy allegations.  Both Beck and even Sarah Palin are on record as questioning the completeness of the 9/11 Commission report."

Forgot to paste after cut.

Posted by: TXMarko at February 24, 2010 10:00 AM (tU+04)

95 Medina?  Has never held any elected office, therefore is categorically unqualified for Gov (even a weak Gov office as is done in TX).

This is why Medina has my vote. Holders of elected office are generally crooks in direct proportion to the length of time they have been in elected office. 

Public Office is not rocket science.  Anyone who has successfully run a business, completed a Bachelors Degree, and was raised on a working ranch should be able to handle it.

Posted by: TXMarko at February 24, 2010 10:05 AM (tU+04)

96 Nice try, TXMarko.  Medina's career in politics has been aired out before.  It's well known that she's a 9/11 Troofer, and she's been involved with such causes (and with Ron Paul, which is essentially the same thing) for years now.  And seriously now: she sunk herself.  How fucking dumb do you have to be, how poor a candidate for the job, if you can't just say "9/11 Troofers are nucking futs, next question."  But she didn't -- because that's how she really feels.

It would be nice to have a good third-party candidate, but there isn't one.  Guess it's four more years of Perry for y'all down in the Lone Star State.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 24, 2010 10:18 AM (l1KFP)

97

>> Posted by: Duvall Co cemetary at February 24, 2010 10:51 AM (ucq49)

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

 

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 24, 2010 10:52 AM (WvXvd)

98

Oh, and the idea that Texans like the toll roads?  That's one I haven't heard before.  There're two strikes against me liking them, one local, one statewide. 

1) The Dallas North Tollway was given the greenlight by taxpayers with the explicit understanding (obviously not enforceable) that it'd become a freeway when it had paid for itself in tolls.  Lo and behold, when that time came, our government vermin decided that giving up all that yummy toll money was just too goshdarn hard, and decided it would remain a tollroad in perpetuity.  So, local issue, but just shows that once the camel gets its nose under the tent...

2) WE'RE GOTTDAMNED PAYING TAXES FOR OUR GOTTDAMNED ROADS, YOU DISEASE RIDDEN CAPITAL WHORES!!!  Which, I think, is relatively self explanatory.

If the taxes that are supposed to be going towards building and maintaining roads were taken out back and shot in the head, I wouldn't have as much beef with toll roads.  I would just be a cranky old man who wasn't gonna use them by gum.  As it stands, though, I got an issue with this.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at February 24, 2010 10:53 AM (pZEar)

99 Jeff B... 

Have any links to support your accusations?  Specifically, that Medina is a "well-known troofer" and that "she has been involved with such causes for years now"?  You know, actual quotes that came out of her mouth and are in the public record, not just links to Glenn Beck fanboy sites parroting his ratings-based delusions. 

You also need to square your "Medinas career in politics" comment with Count de Monet above, who says she "has never held any elected office".  Can't have your cake and eat it too!

My question:  Why is the Purity test apparently valid for Medina but not Perry or KBH or any other current "conservative"?  Who in their right mind would vote against someone who loves Freedom as granted by the Constitution, and seeks to reduce Government intrusion/control over our lives?

A Texas vote for Perry or KBH is a vote to keep fuckin' that chicken.

And if you live in Texas, that chicken is YOU.

Posted by: TXMarko at February 24, 2010 10:57 AM (tU+04)

100 "But Perry is so thoroughly oleaginous that even my rock-ribbed hardcore Texas conservative friends have severe misgivings about him (they don't much like KBH either -- proof, I suppose, of their bona fides). " Horseradish. Who ever saw a rock-ribbed anything in the land of Beer and BBG and Big Belt Buckles No One Can See?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 24, 2010 11:12 AM (MQPnh)

101 Who ever saw a rock-ribbed anything in the land of Beer and BBG and Big Belt Buckles No One Can See?

You been spying on me thru my webcam?

Posted by: TXMarko at February 24, 2010 11:17 AM (tU+04)

102 Can we give the Medina nonsense a rest?  She doesn't even know when the polls are open or closed.  You'd think knowing that would be a bit of a priority if you're running for office, no?

Posted by: Alan Smithee at February 24, 2010 11:48 AM (F7GbV)

103 OK.  What was the decision.  Do I vote in the R primary?  Or vote (stealth) in the D primary?

Posted by: confused TX R at February 24, 2010 12:10 PM (ucq49)

104

As Crist poll numbers slide, staffers leave campaign

http://tinyurl.com/yh3gtzy

News article Headline. Its all over but the shouting. His staff is bailing now.

H/T CA Conservative

 

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2010 12:54 PM (QrA9E)

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