1

Well, on the upside I'm sure that the Pakistani's will be so totally thrilled with the news that they'll be our bestest new friends from now on..

rotfl..

 

2

11 C-17's?  That's fine but it does not specify what type fighter.  They already have some pretty capable MiG's and SU's and probably can get them with more capabilities at cheaper cost than what we offer.

3 The stupid with this adm is epic.

4 I would think all those american educated Indian engineers would be able to build  their own stuff.

5 Barry will then return home and cancel the program.

In the name of 'peace,' you unnerstan'.

6 They have freaking Sikh warriors.  What do they need hardware for?  Turn those bastards loose.

7 Obama, the international arms dealer.

8 They build their own fighters, tanks and artillery, and buy their warships around the world. Their home-built MiG-29's and the pilots who fly them are scary good; ask the American F-15 jocks who exercised against them. How much of a hurry does the Great and Powerful Ob think India will be in to make him look good?

9 2 11 C-17's?  That's fine but it does not specify what type fighter.  They already have some pretty capable MiG's and SU's and probably can get them with more capabilities at cheaper cost than what we offer.

The Indians and Russians have been allies for a long time IIRC.  It was Bush who started to cement a US/Indian relationship.

That being said, India is a good counterweight to China, but I'd still tread lightly about this alliance. 

10 India has a very robust domestic defense industry.  They make a better T90 then the freaking _Russkis_ do. All India needs is a little help with some sensitive electronics...but that isn't $11B worth.

11 7 Obama, the international arms dealer.

Ever see "Lord of War" with Nic Cage?  Terrible movie, but Nic made a statement that "the President runs more guns in a day than I do in a month".  This sentiment is typical left-wing moral relativist nonsense (America providing her allies with weapons for defense is not equivalent to gun runners arming 3rd World warlords just to enrich themselves), but Obama is certainly acting in the spirit of the statement.

12 Well all the Obama shit aside, India should be our close friend. HOWEVER in order for that to happen they have to trust us. And under Obama I am not so sure that is possible.

13 The point is not the money. It's military alliance with India. Obama has done very very few things right, one of the worrisome ones being calling such an alliance with India into question. It is very fortunate that he didn't screw this one up too (yet).

14 I don't see India buying any fighter's from us unless they are F-22's or something more capable than the stripped down F-15's or F-18 E/F's that are typically exported.  Is India part of JSF or is that the fighter part of the deal?

15 3 The stupid with this adm is epic.
Posted by: Vic

So is the fail...

They don't understand diplomacy, at all.

16 That being said, India is a good counterweight to China, but I'd still tread lightly about this alliance. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 01, 2010 09:28 AM (9hSKh)

Also a good counterweight against Pakistan too!

17
The point is not the money. It's military alliance with India.

Military alliance with India is a great justification, but as you can see from the desire for a "big commercial deliverable," it's not the only one. And I'm betting it's not the most important one to this administration.

18 Interesting to note that we are supplying arms to both Pakistan and India.

19 Perhaps the 11 C-17's are a little stimulus for Patty Murray as Boeing is headquartered in WA.  Trying to buy WA votes for WA in a tight race I'm thinking.

20 One other consideration may be the burgeoning Indian immigrant communities here in the US. I dunno if this Administration is smart enough to notice this, but I've been seeing local politicians attending the Indian festivals here for years.

21 This ought to win Barry another Nobel Peace Prize

22

Epic Suck. Epic Stupid. Epic Fail. Epic Bad News For US.

23 #16 Also a good counterweight against Pakistan too!

Indeed.  Somebody suggested yesterday that if Pakistan wants to continue blocking our supply routes, we should leak some news of a potential large-scale sale of Patriot missiles to India. 

24

The United States has stepped up pressure on India

Oh, that's likely to go soooo smoothly.

Sorry, India.

25

I bet if the Indians don't buy, Obama will add daily snark about the sub-continent and probably work to ruin out relationship with them. That's the kind of guy he is.

 

26 One other consideration may be the burgeoning Indian immigrant communities here in the US.

LOL, we are about to have an Indian governor in SC.

27 Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 01, 2010 09:31 AM (9hSKh) heh, that was the point I was trying to make. An idiotic movie that nobody would dare to smear the lightworker with.

28 I don't see India buying any fighter's from us unless they are F-22's

I believe the export ban is still in place on that.

29

LOL, we are about to have an Indian governor in SC.

Two states down, 55 to go!

I bet if the Indians don't buy, Obama will add daily snark about the sub-continent and probably work to ruin out relationship with them.

With 2 Republican Indian-American governors, that would likely end up backfiring sooo badly, wouldn't it?

30 And I'm betting it's not the most important one to this administration. I shudder to think what's really important to this admin. Something like Jon Stewart's reverie regarding Bill Ayers and young Barack smokin a few...

31 LOL, we are about to have an Indian governor in SC.

Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2010 09:42 AM (/jbAw)

My husband has been in India on business for several months.  I asked him the other day if any of the people he's working with talk about Obama or politics in the US.  He responded that some of them are 'polite' about Obama and some of them are vocal about how he's really harming business...but...they REALLY like to talk about Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley.

32

Jeez. Does this guy really need to personally go to India to peddle a piddling amount of guns while his entire domestic agenda crumbles?

This guy is constantly on AF1.   I'll bet he doesn't even know where the West Wing men's room is.

33 I don't see India buying any fighter's from us unless they are F-22's I believe the export ban is still in place on that. Posted by: Waterhouse at October 01, 2010 09:47 AM (NwEKc) It is and of course the line is scheduled to be shut down.

34
"Perhaps the 11 C-17's are a little stimulus for Patty Murray as Boeing is headquartered in WA."

Boeing moved its corporate HQ to Chicago more than ten years ago. Most of its manufacturing remains in Washington, though.

35

LOL, we are about to have an Indian governor in SC.

Two states down, 55 to go!

I bet if the Indians don't buy, Obama will add daily snark about the sub-continent and probably work to ruin out relationship with them.

With 2 Republican Indian-American governors, that would likely end up backfiring sooo badly, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Mama AJ

 

That sort of event might very well result in the meltdown scenario that many are now predicting; Obama visibly and violently losing all semblence of composure and thought.

36 India probably should be one of our best allies, especially over there in that neck of the woods.  We should be cultivating that relationship--it gives the Chinese something to think about before they start to do anything foolish.  Same with the Pakistanis, although they're more apt to do something foolish, regardless of consequences...

37 #35  It is and of course the line is scheduled to be shut down.

And we won't have a new fighter until they ramp up production of the F-35 JSF. 

38

I don't see India buying any fighter's from us unless they are F-22's or something more capable than the stripped down F-15's or F-18 E/F's that are typically exported.

That's what I was thinking--if it's the F-35 they're going to be waiting a while.  If I was India, I wouldn't even bother making a down payment until the aircraft has proven combat-capable.

39 the sad fact is india does not need us....plus the fact we are friends with their enemy.....

40 India (traditionally) buys from Russia. Buying weapons from Russia puts India under an umbrella of Russian influence. Buying weapons from the US puts India under an umbrella of US influence.

Thats why we are pushing

41 And we won't have a new fighter until they ramp up production of the F-35 JSF. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 01, 2010 09:51 AM (9hSKh) Ramp Up! Most of it's variants are still in the development and/or testing phase? One plane for all missions? BULLSHIT

42 Here's a better bargain: GIVE the Indians anything they want to set up a supply line to Afghanistan that doesn't go through Pakistan. That's an excellent deal.

43 When they put the squeeze on Bangladesh, that's when it will be time to sweat bullets.

44

My husband has been in India on business for several months.  I asked him the other day if any of the people he's working with talk about Obama or politics in the US.  He responded that some of them are 'polite' about Obama and some of them are vocal about how he's really harming business...but...they REALLY like to talk about Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Tami

 

Seriously? That's very similar to what the Irish did; followed the successes of Irish-American politicians here.

45

ahead of President Barack Obama's first state visit to the country, a report said Friday.

 

Barry: I'm very familar with Indians. I've been to Indiana a number of times...ummm...uhhh...Anyone know where I can get a good burger around here?

46

My condensed analysis of this "administration":

(Flail)³

 

47

Here's a better bargain: GIVE the Indians anything they want to set up a supply line to Afghanistan that doesn't go through Pakistan. That's an excellent deal.

Physically impossible.  Afghanistan is bordered by Pakistan and China, so either have to fly into Afghanistan or it's northern neighbors, or you have to move all those supplies and equipment by sea to Pakistani ports and then drive them overland to the border.

48 "I am honored to be here in India, and I'd like to say something personal to you all in your language, but I don't speak Indian."

49

India developed a fighter together with the Russians that looks nearly exactly like the F-22. 

http://tinyurl.com/l6l52a

Of course since we aren't making those anymore, we're not really competing.  Maybe we could buy some of their warplanes.

50 What happened to the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) ?

Did the Ruskies bail?

51 This is really about a long term relationship with India, it isn't the airplanes - it is the logistics to keep them flying that matters. If they buy our stuff, then they have to buy our parts, and to buy our parts - we have to be on decent terms. India actually has a fairly advanced defense sector of their own.

52 It's gonna be great when they attack us and forget to take off U.S. markings.

53

This guy is constantly on AF1.   I'll bet he doesn't even know where the West Wing men's room is.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at October 01, 2010 09:49 AM (YU9IY)

But seeing as he's a messiah, does he whiz?

54 Barney Franks porno pic finally revealed!

You know you want to click it.

55 HOWEVER in order for that to happen they have to trust us. And under Obama I am not so sure that is possible. Posted by: nevergiveup at October 01, 2010 09:32 AM

Would be nice if we could trust India, too. When the SHTF they will do what's best for themselves -- nothing wrong with that; it's what we should do -- and kick us to the curb.

56 IMHO - a good package for India would include tankers capable of supporting NATO aircraft, a modest missile defense package, maritime patrol aircraft (or electronics for same), and some of the long range F-15 export variants. I'd wait on those F35's and would they be better served with more C130's then fewer C17s - its not like they are moving tanks to the Arabian peninsula?

57 Barney Franks porno pic finally revealed!

You know you want to click it.

Posted by: momma at October 01, 2010 10:11 AM (penCf)

I think you have an extra http:// in the link.

58

Well all the Obama shit aside, India should be our close friend. HOWEVER in order for that to happen they have to trust us. And under Obama I am not so sure that is possible.

Obama is willing to throw his own mother under the bus to prove he's a real "Christian" because his poll numbers keep slipping.

Why on earth would India, or anyone, trust in someone like that?

59 One look at CA and we can see the future:


Schwarzenegger also signed a package of bills that allows the state to implement and participate in the new federal healthcare reforms, including measures setting up a new market for Californians to get health insurance coverage.

A California Health Benefit Exchange will be created that will help individuals and small businesses shop for and buy affordable health insurance starting in 2014 as provided for by the new federal reforms.

With the exchange, Schwarzenegger said: "We will be able to create a competitive marketplace where consumers can choose among qualified health plans — all without relying on the state's general fund."

The exchange is expected to help bring down the price of coverage because it can act as a purchasing pool in getting the best deal from insurers, and it allows participants to qualify for federal subsidies, said Anthony Wright, executive director of Health Access California, a consumer advocacy group.

"Right now individuals and small businesses are all alone at the mercy of big insurance companies," Wright said. "This levels the playing field."

The bills were opposed by some health insurance firms and the California Chamber of Commerce. The chamber said the legislation "prematurely creates overly broad and expansive governance and guidelines without oversight for the state health benefit exchange, which could lead to unnecessary cost increases and limited choice for employers."

60 Barney Franks porno pic (fixed I think)

61 Here's a better bargain: GIVE the Indians anything they want to set up a supply line to Afghanistan that doesn't go through Pakistan. That's an excellent deal.

Kashmir is lovely this time of year.  All the suicide bombers are in bloom.

62

Boeing moved its corporate HQ to Chicago more than ten years ago. Most of its manufacturing remains in Washington, though.

C-17 is the last Douglas. It's made in Long Beach. 

63 ahhhh screw it.  I keep screwing it up.  One last time.


If it doesn't work sorry.  Anyone else have the Ohio head cold that is going round?  It makes Obama's voice even worse because it makes him echo in your head.  Swear.  He sounds like the voice of an 80s B movie devil

64
VDH:  The visionary dead-enders known as the statist democrats, try again.

"Whether hard communism or soft socialism, statism does not work. We all know why — it goes against human nature, rewarding mediocrity and punishing merit, professing egalitarianism for the masses, while the operators of the system, whether the old Soviet apparatchiks or the new crony EU Brussels bureaucrats, satisfy their appetites like capitalists. Ultimately, it is simply like coasting on a bike uphill. The last hard peddles are simply not enough to push the bike and rider over the hill: finally the brilliant small manufacturer, the lean contractor, the enterprising farmer, the late-into-the-night engineer — they cannot carry any longer the clerk, the auditor, the regulator, the tax man, and the bureaucrat who wish not merely to piggy-back onto the biker, but to try to stop his peddling even as they demand to get over the crest.

Yet we are finishing a second year of absorbing banks, insurance companies, auto manufacturers, and the health care system, borrowing trillions to redistribute in new entitlements, with more lust for equality of ends notions like cap and trade and immigration amnesty. Any House member who went along with all this and lives outside a blue-gerrymandered district or San Francisco or Chicago cannot run on the Obama agenda.

The entire statist protocol polls well below 50%. Past leftist candidates like Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, George McGovern, or Walter Mondale could not get elected on their visions; those who did (Carter and Clinton) either imploded after a single term or triangulated and so found a way to a two-term presidency despite never getting 50% of the popular vote.

Statism versus free markets is about as easy to understand as the difference between Singapore and Greece, and yet here we go again. This weird suicidal statist impulse seems for Obama to trump almost every other consideration: he may well destroy the Democratic Party for a decade just when it was recovering; he has so terrified private enterprise that trillions of dollars in capital are simply sitting out his first two years, waiting for the end of his congressional majorities, and hence his agenda to implode."

65 Posted by: momma at October 01, 2010 10:16 AM (penCf)

Are you a State Department protocol employee?

66 Physically impossible. Afghanistan is bordered by Pakistan and China, so either have to fly into Afghanistan or it's northern neighbors, or you have to move all those supplies and equipment by sea to Pakistani ports and then drive them overland to the border. Posted by: Alex at October 01, 2010 09:58 AM (K9+WM) Dang. Could have sworn India bordered A-stan in Kashmir.

67 Well Momma, is it pink or is it spotted? That's the kind of headline that keep Taranto up nights.

68

 Here's a better bargain: GIVE the Indians anything they want to set up a supply line to Afghanistan that doesn't go through Pakistan. That's an excellent deal.

Umm.. well, slight geographic issue there.  India doesn't share a border with Afghanistan.  Although if we armed India well enough I'm sure they'd fix that by wiping out Pakistan.

 

69 Here's a better bargain: GIVE the Indians anything they want to set up a supply line to Afghanistan that doesn't go through Pakistan. That's an excellent deal.

Umm.. well, slight geographic issue there.  India doesn't share a border with Afghanistan.  Although if we armed India well enough I'm sure they'd fix that by wiping out Pakistan.

 

Posted by: StuckOnStupid

 

That may not be prudent.

70 OT - Heh

BET you a tenor you can't resist!

Love-rat Tiger Woods may be trying to focus on the beautiful voice of opera singer Katherine Jenkins - but he can't help shooting an admiring glance at her arias.

71

That may not be prudent.

No, probably wouldn't be prudent.  But I guess I wouldn't shed too many tears over it, Pakistan has been playing both sides of this terror war since it began and frankly I'm sick of it. 

 

72

O/T here but so fun.

Shrum doing what he does best -- talking nonsense.

Let's pay attention to him. He's got a stellar  record.

ps... Happy October. We're in the home stretch.

I can't be the only one w/an extra spring in my step today, can I??

 

73 Speaking of playing both sides:

Terming US arms aid to Pakistan as a challenge, India on Friday said the latest F-16s, missiles and munition being supplied to Pakistan Air Force (PAF) could "reduce the technological gap" with the IAF.

http://tinyurl.com/34p6hzo

74 CenturyLink news homepage is doing its best to pound the Whitman maid story...first word: Republican. See these are enemedia outlets that we don't even think about.

75 but but but but I'm ending slavery!!! I'm delusional!!!!

76 Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2010 09:42 AM (/jbAw)

But niki is an American kid.  She's of Indian extraction just like palladino is of Italian extraction (sicilian I hope).  I'm still trying to figure out how some nationalities come here and by the next generation they are "Americans of whatever extraction" but yet others come and they are in their third generation here and you feel like they haven't assimilated into this country.  They go so far as to send their kids back to the old country and visit often themselves.  Sometimes I think they are in this country just to make money and not become Americans as they plan, at some point, on going back to the country of their birth.

I can't figure out why this happens, why some wholly become American and others don't.  Why some leave the original little enclaves of their country and spread out and others don't. 

77 Bammy needs a vacation:

It's often remarked that President Obama has enjoyed a number of getaways, vacations, and mini-vacations during his 20 months in office. But at a Democratic fundraiser Thursday night, the president said, "I'd appreciate a little break."
--snip--
According to the pool report, Obama thanked Phillips for the work he and his wife have done for Team Obama. Then the president mentioned that Phillips and Douglass have an opulent place in Italy and wondered why there had been no invitation to visit. "I'd appreciate a little break and some Tuscan sun," the president said, according to the pool report. "Some pasta. I can use it."

http://tinyurl.com/2uoklhf

78 Can anyone give me some advice on how to relate slavery to shipping arms to India? How about "It took a while for all the slaves on the underground railroad to be shipped north. They didn't think it would happen in a day, but they knw it would happen."

79 He's probably begging them to buy our military hardware- not new stuff from Boeing and Lockheed. $10 billion. Yeah, that should turn the economy around.

80 I am very confused.  One minute he's saying pokey ston is a concern and the next he's selling them military toys? 

81 Can ya help us, folks? We're stuck in a ditch here. Kinda muddy. Might need a push. Sorry about the Slurpee dig, Apu. Need some boots?

82 Posted by: USS Diversity at October 01, 2010 10:32 AM

Not much different than Fucks News spending plenty o' time on this today, always making sure they're "fair and balanced" by giving the attackers maximum air-play.

Conservatives are keeping this story alive in the mistaken belief that if they report it accurately, people will realize how stupid the "illegal-alien" attack on Whitman really is.

And the libs can report that "conservative" Michelle Malkin's little head is exploding with hatred for Whitman. When she isn't keeping the Colbert debacle alive by snarking about it.

Sometimes, we are our own worst enemies. At least the friggin' libs know how to bury a story when it's in their best interests to do so.

83 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 01, 2010 10:35 AM

He needs a break, all right. Maybe some California sun instead? I hear it's a bright, sunny day at Pelican Bay today....

The guards can bring a plate of pasta to his cell.

84 "POLL: Number of Adults not affiliated with either major party now at 32.3%... Developing..."

drudge

geez independents are growing.....

85

Ramp Up! Most of it's variants are still in the development and/or testing phase? One plane for all missions? BULLSHIT

That's been an obsession with our military since the 1960s--the idea that you can save money making one aircraft with 3-4 variants.  The financial misadventures of planes like the Osprey, unfortunately, didn't disabuse the brass of that idea.

86 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

Aw. Sadness. Presidentin' is hard.

87

 the president said, according to the pool report. "Some pasta. I can use it."

What is he, Yoda? Spread the wealth around I will

88 89 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

Aw. Sadness. Presidentin' is hard.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 01, 2010 10:43 AM (pLTLS)

to quote that "former" president guy  ......   "it's hard work, hard work"

more and more i'm thinking that was the understatement of the century

89 India (traditionally) buys from Russia. Buying weapons from Russia puts India under an umbrella of Russian influence. Buying weapons from the US puts India under an umbrella of US influence.

Thats why we are pushing

--------------------

Shouldn't need much of a push, considering what useless crap Russian weapons are.

I'd think the only competition we should fear is French.

90

Yes but the difference is that one was in the Office by 6am. The other strolls in at his leisure. I'm thinking forcing him in by 9am gets him grumbling.

Of course I'm a racist so what do I know?

91
no jobs report today?

92 That's been an obsession with our military since the 1960s--the idea that you can save money making one aircraft with 3-4 variants.

Stupid.  "Use the right tool", my Papa said.  Look at the A-10.  Three engineers were sitting around with a bong and some egg rolls and one said"You know what would be fucking sweet?  A flying cannon."  And one of our best combat aircraft was born.  It's a shitty fighter, but for its roll it can't be beat.

93 O/T:  Beck just played a clip from stewart.  Apparently the president alluded to some good times in Wisconsin.  So stewart made a joke about it, soemthing to the effect "me and my boy bill ayers were sitting aroudn playing beer pong with the tri delts and we thought "how about subverting the constitution from within" and beck said that stewart criticizes him for comment like that but here he is saying it himself.

But, the funniest part is when stu showed his oldness...he didn't know what beer pong was cause he said something about them having a bong....

94 or "role".  Had egg rolls on the brain.

95

Shrum doing what he does best -- talking nonsense.

Let's pay attention to him. He's got a stellar  record.

Lol.. thanks for the link, I needed a good laugh this morning.  The guy's premise is that Democrats will hold on to the house and the Senate, and he sites as his evidence the fact that races are polling fairly close (at least thus far) in democratic strongholds like California and Washington State.  Amazing.

In any other year most republicans would be at least 10 points behind in races like this, if not a whole lot more.  And yet even in the biggest haven for left wing moonbat libertards Republican candidates with pretty much zero name recognition are running neck and neck with incumbent or extremely well known Democrats, and he thinks this is good news for the Democratic party?

Rotfl... this is why I simply could never be a liberal.  I lack the ability to to delude myself that much.

96

no jobs report today?

No jobs today.  That's pretty much the report. 

97 Just to show how we still haven't got anywhere with the media Faux just had Commie Chris Wallace on.

Be it known that (1) This is not an "anti-Democrat" election coming up. It is an anti-incumbent election and since there are more Dems it is hitting them worse. "The primaries showed that.

(2) He will have Rand Paul on Sun with his Dem opponent. He also want you to know that that race is a dead heat and too close to call.

The first lie is one of distortion, yes a few Republican incumbents were "primaried out". What he didn't bother to say is that they were ALL RINO liberals who liked to work with the Dems. So yes it is anti-Democrat. And that includes any Repubs who were helping them,

On the KY race I can't see how he expected to fool anyone. The last Ras poll had Rand Paul up by 11 points. There can be no argument made that it is too close to call.

Let's not forget that Chris Wallace is the asshole that dreamed up the "no fire in the belly" attack on teh Fred. That SOB is just as liberal as his daddy was and he hates a conservative.

98
no jobs report today?

Next week.

99 I can't click the link on the dem talking but that has been the message lately, what, you think we're not going to win, what, are you smokin crack?, vote all you want, but we're going to win"

100 I'd think the only competition we should fear is French.

Because their weapons are more extensively drop tested than ours.

101 Obumbles pressuring India ($32 billion defense budget) to buy $11 billion of US military hardware so he can look good is like that person at the office or next door who is always pitching you their latest MLM "sure-fire, proven" money making scheme.  Just go away.

102 These guys, they're hilarious:

At the 8:30 staff meeting in the Roosevelt Room this morning, departing chief of staff Rahm Emanuel was given a gift by Council of Economic Advisers chair Austan Goolsbee: a dead Asian carp.

http://tinyurl.com/29ps2r4

103
Next week.

Even better; it's closer to election day.

104 I figure it's a simple mistake.  Obama thought he was arming the Indians that wiped us out at the Little Big Horn.

105 Let's not forget that Chris Wallace is the asshole that dreamed up the "no fire in the belly" attack on teh Fred. That SOB is just as liberal as his daddy was and he hates a conservative.
Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2010 10:50 AM

Fair enough, but don't forget teh Fred! helped shape that narrative by running the most lackluster, energy-free campaign since Zombie Adlai Stevenson. Fred! snoozed, and lost. Disappointed a lot of supporters. Including me.

106 A couple things about the Indian deal: apparently a US company got the engine contract for one of their domestically produced fighters. This was the one we had the contract for twelve years ago before Clinton put an embargo on India for testing some nuclear weapons. They tried to develop their own but had problems.

As for the fighter contract: I suspect they're interested in the F-18 model because it has an electronic warfare version and a really good radar. I am under the impression that a lot of the reason the F-15 force is "behind," relatively speaking, is that while we were building the F-22 we weren't bothering to upgrade things like the radar in the F-15 because hey, we'd have the F-22. Meanwhile the Russians were upgrading the radar in the Su-30, with the money they got from the Indians.

107
btw, I wonder if the bls or bea has set a record for making so many consecutive downward revisions on the GDP and upward revisions on unemployment claims?

It's uncanny how they need to revise GDP  downward and unemployment upward time after time...ever since Obama took office.

108 Posted by: MrScribbler at October 01, 2010 10:54 AM (Ulu3i)

if you look at it objectively, all the republicans did something odd to sort of make you discount them....rudy pulled that business of not campaigning until florida, fred was lacluster and seemed confused, meshame endorsed BO, .....odd stuff.

109 But niki is an American kid.  She's of Indian extraction just like palladino is of Italian extraction (sicilian I hope).

Posted by: curious at October 01, 2010 10:48 AM (p302b)

Yes, she was born in the U.S. in Bamberg, SC so she is eligible to be President. She was also educated in the U.S. as opposed to a Madrassa in Malaysia.

Her and her family are fully assimilated in the U.S. She does not live in an "Indian Community" where everyone speaks some foreign dialect.

IOW, her family welcomed assimilation into American culture. So look at the outcome of that. She has been a succesful buisness woman, she has been a succesful politician, and despite continued personal attacks she is about to be elected Governor of SC by a landslide.

110

Not much different than Fucks News spending plenty o' time on this today, always making sure they're "fair and balanced" by giving the attackers maximum air-play....and Vic at 100.

 

That's why all this shit about Fox as being right wing is just another example of how the left is completely unhinged.

111 schizuki - "I'd think the only competition we should fear is French." -- If politics were not a factor, I would be concerned about a Saab JAS 39 Gripen varient.

112 Fair enough, but don't forget teh Fred! helped shape that narrative by running the most lackluster, energy-free campaign since Zombie Adlai Stevenson. Fred! snoozed, and lost. Disappointed a lot of supporters. Including me.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 01, 2010 10:54 AM (Ulu3i)

It was only lackluster if you believed the media accounts and lack of coverage. I watched some of his speeches and I would hardly call them "lackluster". 

The MFM, including Faux, destroyed his campaign and a lot of "conservatives" who should have known better allowed it.

113

As for the fighter contract: I suspect they're interested in the F-18 model because it has an electronic warfare version and a really good radar. I am under the impression that a lot of the reason the F-15 force is "behind," relatively speaking, is that while we were building the F-22 we weren't bothering to upgrade things like the radar in the F-15 because hey, we'd have the F-22.

Ah.. the F15 Eagle.  America's proof to the world that even a rock can fly if you put a big enough engine in it.  Gotta love that plane.

Your right of course, the F-18 would probably be of more interest to them than the F-15.  The hornet is a good choice overall.  Fast, maneuverable, good electronics, capable of fulfilling multiple rolls.

 

114 Sooner or later India is going to have a problem or two with their planes.

The only thing I can think of to do is to have Boeing set up a customer service center in Harlem or in the deep South.

Nobody from India will be able to understand a word that they say.

Perfect, we keep the money, India's planes don't work and we get revenge on customer service call lines.

115

97 or "role".  Had egg rolls on the brain.

Nice save, Herr.  Was about to point out your homophone-ist error.

BTW, I agree with you 3000% on the A-10.  Love, love, love using it on Ace Combat PS2 missions requiring intensive ground support.

116 Posted by: curious And let's not forget the RINO Huckabee/McCain smashup that knocked Romney out of contention in the primaries. Related, Huckabee (who I can't stand and will never vote for outside of a general election) is coming to town to do a Tea Party rally thing. The main candidate he's endorsing is Nathan Jones (R-Greensboro) for State Senate. The candidate himself is great. I even chatted online with him a bit right after Santelli got the Tea Party thing rolling. Very good guy. Probably make a decent moron, too. So I guess I'm hoping Huckabee helps Jones, but that Jones doesn't help Huckabee.

117

That's why all this shit about Fox as being right wing is just another example of how the left is completely unhinged. Posted by: USS Diversity at October 01, 2010 10:57 AM

What this country needs is a source for news that simply reports the facts, without any commentary or 'splainin' from any political/social viewpoints.

Such a source would torpedo Osama Obama and his regime, as well as keeping the Repubs honest.

I don't trust bias in news reporting, whether from left or right.

118 Was about to point out your homophone-ist error.

Hey hey hey.  Watch that shit.

119

I don't trust bias in news reporting, whether from left or right.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 01, 2010 11:06 AM (Ulu3i)

I have never seen any news with a bias to the "right" so it is hard to tell.

120 If we're going to sell military hardware to anyone at this point in time it might as well be India.  

They've got money, they've got need, and we're unlikely to be butting heads with them. 

121 Pakistan will be our bestest new friends from now on..rotfl..

Latest quote from Pakistani Interior Minister was that they have yet to decide whether America is their ally or enemy.

Do US Military arms interchange with Chinese parts--have the Chinese yet pirated our arms for 3rd world sales, given the trade agreements that China already made with India?

122 ... while they talk shit about my new book The Roots of Obama's Rage.

123 Send Biden to build some 7-11's there!

124 As to what Western trained nuclear scientists and engineers from India are employed doing, replacing higher paid and older US citizen employees in the arms industry and elsewhere.

They WOULD work in India rather than here and probably will as soon as India hosts the industry factories.

125

Latest quote from Pakistani Interior Minister was that they have yet to decide whether America is their ally or enemy

Not like it really matters, our State Department will keep kissing their collective asses one way or the other.

126 Beck is talking about how they control all the money for school so once they control the money, they can control who goes to school.

posted yesterday about how confusing the new pay back rules were and someone said they were spoiled.  Well maybe but if yu want to go to grad school, you might not be able to get a loan and if you can't get a loan, you can't go, it's too expensive.

127 I'm an academic, not a geek.
The Roots of Obama's Rage.

128 "The United States has stepped up pressure on India"

Obama International Diplomacy:
stepping up pressure on anyone but himself

Hey Barry, why aren't you "stepping up pressure on" Pakistan whose government you haven't admitted since your campaign is not our ally, and hence deserve the Predator bombings that you order as promised.

Stepping up pressure amounts to stepping on toes, kicking ass, and shoving it down throats. That sounds like Obama's domestic policy with US citizens.

Since when has India caused us the problems from "Islam"?

129 One plane for all missions? BULLSHIT

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 01, 2010 09:54 AM (0GFWk)

Amen!

Anyone who has any doubts need only do a quick search on "F-111B".

Maybe Robert S. McNamara wasn't the stupidest person alive in the 20th century, but he was certainly the stupidest person in any position of authority.

130 129 Beck is talking about how they control all the money for school so once they control the money, they can control who goes to school.

posted yesterday about how confusing the new pay back rules were and someone said they were spoiled.  Well maybe but if yu want to go to grad school, you might not be able to get a loan and if you can't get a loan, you can't go, it's too expensive.

Posted by: curious at October 01, 2010 11:14 AM (p302b)

And control the curriculum and who writes the books (esp. History & Science)

131 Amen! Anyone who has any doubts need only do a quick search on "F-111B". Maybe Robert S. McNamara wasn't the stupidest person alive in the 20th century, but he was certainly the stupidest person in any position of authority. Posted by: Nighthawk at October 01, 2010 11:19 AM (OtQXp) How in hell did we fall into that same trap again?????

132 Posted by: Mallamutt at October 01, 2010 11:21 AM (OWjjx)

what's concerning is the "well it's their turn mentality" that was evident in the motley crew the republicans fielded.  I mean the NYtimes said hillary was the next president.  Did everyone just say "well, yeah it's their turn and they want her so let's not even bother to put out anyone worth their salt?  And then they, along with hillary, got played.

133 Fucks News is giving us live ("Breaking News!!1!!!11!") coverage of Osama Obama waving bye-bye to Rahm.

Nothing can screw up a good day like seeing the Mohammedan Mouthpiece's arrogant mug on the tube.

134

It was only lackluster if you believed the media accounts and lack of coverage. I watched some of his speeches and I would hardly call them "lackluster". 

The MFM, including Faux, destroyed his campaign and a lot of "conservatives" who should have known better allowed it.

In total agreement.  I was very frustrated during the primaries by the total lack of coverage Fred got.  Fox was too busy pimping Huckabee and/or Romney and/or Guiliani.  I was a big supporter of Fred's and saw him twice when he came to town.  He was not lackluster.  The media painted him that way and everyone ran with it.  He didn't have a chance because they never gave him a chance...and neither did the Republican voters.

135

Can we just conclude that 2008 offered the least desirable array of candidates for President and move on.

Here here.  I second the motion.  All those in favor of tabling any further discussion of the most mediocre field of candidates in recent memory, say Aye. 

136 He was my Governor when he vetoed MassCare in more than a dozen instances, each of which was overridden. You probably missed that. If the fact that he's become more Pro-Life over time is a disqualifier to you, then what can I say? I'm glad. He's by far the most demonstrably competent of all the likely candidates. Is he the most conservative? We'll have to see where the other candidates come down during the campaign. As has become apparent, there are no pure candidates. Even "rock stars" like Chris Christie are way to the Left of Romney on key issues.

137 Posted by: Lady in Black at October 01, 2010 11:24 AM (M6enm)

remember hearing he was great from you guys and then in one of the debates he seemed confused and certainly didn't show that he was capable of being pres.  all i knew was what you guys said so I kept giving him a chance but there wasn't much said about him on fox and other media.

138 135

And let's not forget the RINO Huckabee/McCain smashup that knocked Romney out of contention in the primaries.

I'm sorry. I missed the exact moment when Mitt "Massachustescare" Romney, Mitt "Pro-Choice before I was Pro-Life" Romney became the model of conservativism.

Can we just conclude that 2008 offered the least desirable array of candidates for President and move on.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 01, 2010 11:21 AM (OWjjx)

Don't forget "Romney-care"

139 O/T:  That old fat guy with the very grey hair and the bowl haircut is supposed to be super super powerful in government.  And look, he only has on a regular suit and no BO blue tie....it's red.

140 US Military hardware!
Get your overpriced US MILITARY HARDWARE  HeYah!

You SIR!
You look like you could use an FGM 148 Javelin for your heavy commute days!
It makes a great way to flip someone the bird!

141

Nothing can screw up a good day like seeing the Mohammedan Mouthpiece's arrogant mug on the tube.

Try muting the sound on the TV and fire up Alvin and the Chipmunks on the sound system.  Strangely enough the extreme irritation factor of both tend to cancel one another out completely.

 

142 BO dyed his hair.  RAM put a highlighting rinse through it and the new guy just has "mouse grey"

143

What is this- a smart military blog?

_{Good to see Stuxnet coverage in the headlines...}

144 You look like you could use an FGM 148 Javelin for your heavy commute days!
It makes a great way to flip someone the bird!
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 01, 2010 11:29 AM

I want one of them new Iranian flying boats!

Best recreational vehicle EVAH! No one will ever look at Florida-style airboats again....

145 You look like you could use an FGM 148 Javelin for your heavy commute days!
It makes a great way to flip someone the bird!

146

Rahm reads like Toonces speaks off the cuff.

What a fucknut administration.

147 Anyone (maybe from Illinois) know if there's any chance Rahm will lose in the Chicago Mayoral race? That would be sweet-ass sweet.

148 Not sure I get why pressing for military sales from India is a bad idea.  Everyone with something worth selling does so to just about everyone with ability to buy (needed or otherwise).  Just follow defense news and you'll see how many countries jump when someone expresses interest in 50 aircraft or 200 tanks or something.

149 what does it mean that those "oil tankers torched" and the "supply route to Afghanistan are closed"...for the military.  drudge

150

I'm supposed to belief this 5'4" bastard is intimidating? He sets the Joos back 2000 years.

I kid the Jooos.

151 Posted by: Lincolntf at October 01, 2010 11:35 AM (Ly+aE)

Why would he leave the WH if it wasn't considered almost a done deal?

152 If you build ONE GOOD PLANE it will turn to have lots of uses. The definition of one good plane may vary, but the basics include a high thrust-to-weight ratio and a low-to-moderate wing-loading. Look at the P-38,P-47, Corsair... Excellent escorts, excellent air superiority fighters, superb ground attack machines. Look at the F-100 Super Sabre, F-4 Phantom and the F-16. Excellent interceptors, air superiority fighters and ground attack machines. All combat proven in those roles. It's the specialized machines that prove to be the white elephants: the P-39, the F-104, the wretched F-102. I suspect many additional uses will be found for the F-22, long before the -35 enters service.

153
Can we just conclude that 2008 offered the least desirable array of candidates for President and move on.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 01, 2010 11:21 AM (OWjjx)

Daddy was a very desirable candidate, but that witch Sarah Palin is the one who screwed up everything with her demand for clothes, smart mouth talk, and her whore daughter showing her ass on television

154 what does it mean that those "oil tankers torched" and the "supply route to Afghanistan are closed"

It means Pakistan's check to the DNC cleared.

155 How in hell did we fall into that same trap again?????

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 01, 2010 11:21 AM (0GFWk)

For every new generation of Pentagon "Whiz Kids" the "(All Service) All Mission Aircraft" is like Communism- they know it's never worked any time it's been tried, but that's because all those old codgers who tried it were STOOOOOPID!  They KNOW that THEY can make it work because they're SO MUCH SMARTER!

Meanwhile F-14s are sent to the boneyard.... 

^*sniff*

^*honk*

^*puke*

156 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 01, 2010 11:39 AM (5aa4z)

i don't understand your answer..

157 There are a lot of "done deals" getting undone this year.

158

Anyone (maybe from Illinois) know if there's any chance Rahm will lose in the Chicago Mayoral race?

He may have problems running. Residency and all.

The boyz at Hillbuzz broke this all down yesterday. And if you're familiar w/the site, you know where I'm going with this.....

159

Anyone (maybe from Illinois) know if there's any chance Rahm will lose in the Chicago Mayoral race? That would be sweet-ass sweet.

Sadly only if someone passes some sort of law to prevent dead people and felons from voting and then, well, you know, actually enforces it.

160 twitter breaking news is saying that Sweden has raised the terra alert to the highest in the country's history.

161 Thx, Lacey.

162

Come celebrate Rahm's Homecoming with us, tonight at 'Steamworks' the Windy City's premier Bathhouse. 

Rahm will be interviewing for his Mayoral Cabinet in the Showers before we all go for a, "Welcome, Back Into It!", event to be held in the Largest Steam Room in the Windy City!   

Afterwards there will be dinner and a charity Bachelor Auction to bennefit A.I.D.S. awareness.

Admission is Three Dollars to cover the cost of Latex Party Favors and Mojitos. 

This is a Smart Casual Event, please dress accordingly.

RSVP by 4pm - Shower Stalls are limited.

 

163 i don't understand your answer..

We're logistically dead in the water.  Just like the enemy wants.  And by "enemy" I mean a significant number of your fellow countrymen.

164
130 D'Souza isn't the first to argue that Barry's stuck on Barak's anticolonialism. I wonder what all will be new in his latest book. Interesting link.

“It may seem incredible to suggest that the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. is espoused by his son, the President of the United States. That is what I am saying. From a very young age and through his formative years, Obama learned to see America as a force for global domination and destruction. He came to view America's military as an instrument of neocolonial occupation. He adopted his father's position that capitalism and free markets are code words for economic plunder. Obama grew to perceive the rich as an oppressive class, a kind of neocolonial power within America. In his worldview, profits are a measure of how effectively you have ripped off the rest of society, and America's power in the world is a measure of how selfishly it consumes the globe's resources and how ruthlessly it bullies and dominates the rest of the planet.”
How Obama Thinks
Dinesh D'Sousa
President DÂ’Souza of The KingÂ’s College, NYC

The KingÂ’s College seeks ambitious students who want to make a difference in the world. The college aims to contribute to American society by producing graduates who command the important intellectual traditions, who think lucidly about the social and political issues that confront them today, who write with force and flair, who speak with eloquence, and who are eager to exchange ideas in open debate with those who espouse different views. The KingÂ’s College educates students to lead with principle as they aspire to make America better. We prepare students for principled leadership. And nothing else. To accomplish this, the College teaches a compelling worldview rooted in the Bible and informed by close study of great works of philosophy, political theory, and economics. We study Paul and Plato; Moses and Machiavelli; Adam and Adam Smith.

Rural Hillsdale in southern Michigan has competition in NYC.

165

The boyz at Hillbuzz broke this all down yesterday. And if you're familiar w/the site, you know where I'm going with this.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 01, 2010 11:42 AM

No worries. The Mohammedan Mouthpiece has the Chicago Mayor's office all wrapped up for li'l Rahm.

Between whatever-ACORN-is-called-now, Eric Shabazz Holder and the SEIU, Shorty can have all the votes he needs, without any worries about pesky shit like laws....

166 Can we just conclude that 2008 offered the least desirable array of candidates for President and move on.

I wasn't impressed with the batch of losers that ran in 2004, or 2000, or 1996 either.

167 That Hillbuzz piece is pretty good. Frickin' "Man's Country". These Obama guys are just creepy (along with being evil bastards).

168 Posted by: maverick muse at October 01, 2010 11:46 AM (H+LJc)

batchelor has interviewed this guy a couple of times, probably find it in his podcasts....interesting fellow...

169 US is the biggest arms supplier at around 35 billion. This one sale would be about 1/3 of our total.

170 Re:  The coat hanger thief case from the sidebar.

I had an acquaintance many years ago who was a wire coat hanger thief.  He stole them for the wire.  He wrapped the wire around a dowel then cut through all of the wraps leaving him with a dozen or so wire rings.  These he threaded together to make chain mail clothing.  It was absolutely beautiful.

171 Wait...I thought libs thought that weapons sales were immoral...aren't conflicts caused and perpetuated by the weapons themselves? This shows the moral bankruptcy of this regime. yet again!

172

maybe if the rethugican'ts would allow a bill to pass, we wouldn't need the money, ever think of that?

^{_{and now to run to waikiki}}

173 Ace out of the entire 800 billion plus defense budget how much is used for procurement ?

174
I wasn't impressed with the batch of losers that ran in 2004, or 2000, or 1996 either.

Posted by: John Galt at October 01, 2010 11:48 AM (F/4zf)

Bob Dole calls bullshit on that unimpressed nonsense because Bob Dole was a formidable force in elective politics, and also a force in erectile disfunction because Bob Dole has a malfunctioning dick and takes the little blue Bob Dole pills. 

175 Just saw this posted at batchelor.  This was on the 26th...but that's not what anyone is seeing now.   wonder what the truth is.

176
I thought Thee Hilary was carrying the bag for a bunch of Indian companies back in the days when she was pretending to be a NY senator.  Perhaps I misremember this? 

"A white whale?  Aye, and do he fantail little fore go down? " 

177

184  someone beat mallamutt to a bob dole sock?

amazing

178 It's the specialized machines that prove to be the white elephants...

Like F117A
B-1
B-2
B-52
B-17
F-14
A-6

and on and on and on....

Those multipurpose planes. I love the P-38 but, it was not the best fighter in the sky, nor capable of serious ground pounding. The only thing it did really well was long range intercepting, in that role it was spectacular. The P47 was nearly incapable as a fighter, it's only advantage in a close fight was it's ability to dive away and escape; oh and it could carry a LOT of enemy lead back to its airfield. The Corsair had a thing for killing pilots with bad aerodynamics, could barely outrun the zero; a wing of Corsairs could not carry enough ordinance to sink a decent sized vessel.

So no, I disagree, the "single platform" concept has produced a number of aircraft which had mediocre at best coverage of their secondary roles.

179
what does it mean that those "oil tankers torched" and the "supply route to Afghanistan are closed"...for the military.  drudge

Loin your girds!  I'm not kidding!

180 New Bin Laden tape is out and it sounds like he's shilling for the DNC. complaining about defense spending and "global warming".

181 Fred could have BEEN an excellent President, but he wasn't much interested in RUNNING for President.

As far as Romney goes, I'm not going to oppose him because he could not bend a Dem-dominated legislature to his will.  I think he's better than that. 

Unlike our loathsome Jolly Green Giant, Schwarzenegger.

182 Anyone (maybe from Illinois) know if there's any chance Rahm will lose in the Chicago Mayoral race? That would be sweet-ass sweet.

Someone, I think it was Hillbuzz, recently cited a local Chicago poll that had Rahm coming in 3rd.  Even if he's not elected Mayor the Machine will take care of him though.

183 Mallamutt

There'll be pro/con propaganda regarding recycling former candidates for 2012. We'll hear all the same RINO rhetoric attempting to beat Democrats by out-socializing from Romney--even if not on his Republican platform this time. Palin's bound to rebound. And there'll be "new" candidates--Kickback King Rick Perry will try for the potus run, for instance. 

So far as the Republican establishment is concerned, either ignore the Tea Party demands or give the protest lip-service. It's as if the Tea Party phenomena never happened, exhausted itself into oblivion, or is too "inexperienced in politics" to know what's best for America.

184 Thanks, polynikes. I don't like to be a scold when people mischaracterize Romney, but it's good to get the reality out there. It's a long campaign season and maybe people will learn more/change their minds about Mitt. I'm not gonna get worked up fighting off media memes and simplistic talking points. That's what campaign managers are for. By the way, the Romney FB page has been getting a lot more active lately. He's bee donating money/endorsing candidates in seemingly every State. Good for him. It's nice to see a politician donating money rather than begging for it.

185 Will the $11 billion arms "sale" be a cash deal, or will we carry the cost 'til the Indians get around to repaying the bribe gift "loan?"

186 I thought libs thought that weapons sales were immoral...aren't conflicts caused and perpetuated by the weapons themselves?

Most libs, yes, but not anti-imperialist libs like me and Bill Ayers. Spread every wealth to the world!

187

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 01, 2010 11:57 AM (OWjjx)

Want a plane ticket to the North Dakota straw poll next weekend?

188 Nobody called Mitt a "Conservative Warrior". Just described him and his career accurately. But tell me, what would a true "Conservative Warrior" have done after his vetoes were overridden and all of his Constitutional options were exhausted? Should he have had the Legislative leadership executed? Seceded from the Union?

189 # 183   Flag on the play.  Not only off topic; but appears to support a douche bag RINO.   

190

Wouldn't it be great if the Indians told Obama 'We'll buy fighters from you - but only the F-22."

C.T.

191 You mean the Ronald Reagan that signed one of the most liberal abortion bills of its time when he was Govenor of CA.  That Reagan?

Yup that's the one, the same one who made it his PERSONAL mission to ensure medicine in this country would not be socialized in his lifetime vice providing a blueprint to do so. Yup that Reagan.

192 It sounds like
someone who held the libertarian prochoice view

I didn't realize there was a libertarian perspective to dismembering babies and hoovering them out of the sperm dumpster's cooch.

193 I thought libs thought that weapons sales were immoral...aren't conflicts caused and perpetuated by the weapons themselves?

Most libs, yes, but not anti-imperialist libs like me and Bill Ayers. Spread every wealth to the world!
________________

BTW, note how I use most hope and change libs like tools for my much bigger plans.

194 Ruck Fomney, he is a NE liberal Democrat with an R after his name.

If he gets the nod this time the Republican Party will become a 3rd party and be completely dead in 6 years.

And we will have 4 more years of Obama After which the new Tea Party will become the lead party in the country.

We don't need two Democrat Parties.

195 Yeah, Vic, he's just another one of those 2nd Amendment loving, anti-amnesty, Pro-Life Liberals. They're everywhere!

196

Look at the A-10.  Three engineers were sitting around with a bong and some egg rolls and one said"You know what would be fucking sweet?  A flying cannon."  And one of our best combat aircraft was born. 

It never ceases to amaze me that the Air Force shit on the A-10 for as long as they did, simply because the SAC generals running the service at the time thought ground support was an affront to the mission and you could conduct warfare solely from 30,000 feet.  It was made for turning back a Soviet tank invasion, but it's perfect for close air support in the desert because it can hang around and harass bad guys.  God, I love that plane.

 

197 JEM
"Fred could have BEEN an excellent President, but he wasn't much interested in RUNNING for President."

Given his name on the ticket, I'd vote Thompson hands down.

1. The candidates MOST interested in RUNNING perpetual campaigns make the WORST presidents. Voters so intoxicated with campaigning's intrinsic sinister elements are the very addicted minds who forced Obama on the rest of us. Take Obama. Dress him with elephant tusks, Romney who promised socialism his last weeks in Michigan, government subsidized manufacturing jobs, ANYTHING for votes.

2. Teh Fred would be an excellent President. For any purposeful mind, campaigning only has its proper place without permeating all else in the value system. It isn't as if Thompson has to prove anything to anyone. We already know who he is, and how he will perform as America's Chief Executive.

Thompson is a fiscal conservative. He BEGAN the common sense Constitutional Platform long before Palin showed up, and before the Tea Party materialized.

His campaign was sabotaged by the likes of media mouths and bloggers who kept up the mantra that Fred "lacked fire in the belly" and that he was quitting. Fred acknowledged on radio the other week, regarding Angle in Nevada, that from his own experience he learned that having the right campaign manager makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE between winning and losing, despite a candidate's ability, experience and qualifications.

Unlike any other candidate, Thompson has the best of friends in Republican circles, great minds who would comprise a magnificent conservative administration with him.

Thompson's PROVEN he listens to citizens' concerns. And his level headed maintenance of good will is particularly well accomplished during raucous moments following Obama's hateful assertions towards conservatives.

Putin et al. could never stare down Fred Thompson. Whereas, plastic bambi Romney melts under the lights, and Palin's eyelashes would flutter. And Perry would make a deal under the table in his own attempt to rule globalist power.

 

198 I don't want "awe-inspiring". I want a human being who has the ability to operate in, and understand the complexity of, the modern international economy. As I stated earlier (I think) I have already lived with Romney as my Chief Executive, and watched him fight with the moonbats every single day of his term. He never had less than 85% of the Legislature against him (that's not an exaggeration) and he still managed to retain the corporations/industries (Raytheon, among others) that the Libs had been trying to drive out for generations.

199 It never ceases to amaze me that the Air Force shit on the A-10 for as long as they did, simply because the SAC generals running the service at the time thought ground support was an affront to the mission and you could conduct warfare solely from 30,000 feet.

The A-10 is a good aircraft for what it does but it isn't the end all to end all. My brother worked on the electronics for that plane. Every time it fired its main gun every electronic device in the plane went tits up and had to be yanked. Despite the circuit boards being tripped dipped in a compound to seal them they literally vibrated to pieces when that gun was fired.

They were getting like the F-14 in that they were hard to keep in the air. Meanwhile the old Harriers are doing OK with the Marines. I have a BIL who works on those at Cherry Point.

200 It's the specialized machines that prove to be the white elephants: the P-39, the F-104, the wretched F-102.

I suspect many additional uses will be found for the F-22, long before the -35 enters service.

Posted by: richard mcenroe

My understanding was that both the F-104 and F-102 were excellent interceptors. Both were expensive to maintain, anf both had a nsty habit of killing its pilots. What I find astonishing was that someone once tried making the F-104 an attack plane.

201 Rush saying linda douglas is a journo list....she quite journalism to join the BO WH to become the national spokesman for obamacare.

these two are the ones who invited BO to their house....thirty thousand dollar a head fundraiser...."these people are very wealthy, they have a vacation home in tuscany and obama chided them cause he'd never been invited to their house there"..

so this is incestuous....

202 It is about inspiring confidence and belief. I have all the confidence in the world in him. And I absolutely believe that he's the best of the current crop of potential candidates.

203
Ready when you are Fred!

204
Putin et al. could never stare down Fred Thompson. Whereas, plastic bambi Romney melts under the lights, and Palin's eyelashes would flutter. And Perry would make a deal under the table in his own attempt to rule globalist power.
 
Posted by: maverick muse at October 01, 2010 12:29 PM

Nice try, Mav. But teh Fred! didn't do a friggin' thing to convince voters he had the attention span or interest to go through with the job if they elected him.

Never mind the "conservative" bloggers or any of that. In the debates, Fred! came off as unprepared, which is a cardinal sin for any would-be leader who wants to be taken seriously. He didn't hit the trail enough even to say he would serve if elected.

A great guy, and potentially a fine president. Better, without doubt, than Osama Obama, McCain, Mutt Romney or Shuckabee. But even if the presidency wasn't Fred!'s highest aspiration in life, he needed to step and and convince voters he would remain engaged for at least four years.

If he wants to try again, I'd sure as hell listen. I'd even ignore his pimping for some reverse-mortgage outfit. But I'd expect him to display some energy, some serious desire to serve.

205 Was that the real Dinesh D'Souza?

206 Fred could have BEEN an excellent President, but he wasn't much interested in RUNNING for President. Posted by: JEM at October 01, 2010 11:57 AM I think he was okay campaigning, he simply was not into 'playing the game'. He was more interested in substance over style. Unfortunately, you've stated the major problem we have among the American electorate right now: they care more about style over substance. That's the only reason Obama got elected. He was all style, no substance. (Plus he ran as the anti-Bush candidate). Fred Thompson was not interested in playing that game of sound bites and gotcha statements and mud slinging, etc. His YouTube commentaries were all focused on issues and policies and ideology. Apparently, a common sense adult was not 'sexy' enough for the American electorate. In addition, too many Republican voters and 'conservative' voters were more focused on "electability" than on substance. It's sad when we are living in a time when the American electorate gives more credence to how someone campaigns for President, rather than how someone will govern as President.

207

So no, I disagree, the "single platform" concept has produced a number of aircraft which had mediocre at best coverage of their secondary roles.
True, but one also has to consider logistics.  If your fighting a long way from home trying to supply and then resupply a base with enough parts to keep 1 type of plane up and going as opposed to trying to supply them with enough parts to keep 5 seperate type of aircraft up and running and suddenly the "multi-role" aircraft starts looking a bit more attractive.

Yes, in the design you are always going to have certain trade-offs.  Building an aircraft for multi-role will always make it less than ideal in other types of missions.

But for a country like India that really can't afford to spend a boatload of money trying to purchase, maintain, and aquire parts for dozens and dozens of different aircraft, purchasing something that can fulfill a variety of rolls is probably their best bet.

208 Just checked in to see if a new thread was up.  Duh.  For all those COD h8ahzs out there, check out this little bit of conservatism.  Heh, heh.  This'll make Rush's day.

209 Yeah, I know it's late, but to quote Reuters http://tinyurl.com/2ezoj8c

"Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet is also competing with Lockheed Martin's F-16 , France's Dassault Rafale, Russia's MiG-35, Sweden's Saab JAS-39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, produced by a consortium of European companies."

As I understand it, one of the F-18s drawbacks in this particular competition is that it's large; the Indians would prefer a small single-engine plane.

Looks like India's also getting some C-130s.

210 Putin et al. could never stare down Fred Thompson. Whereas, plastic bambi Romney melts under the lights, and Palin's eyelashes would flutter. And Perry would make a deal under the table in his own attempt to rule globalist power.

 

Posted by: maverick muse at October 01, 2010 12:29 PM (H+LJc)

You do know that Teh Fred! and his wife have signed on to Palin, don't you?

211 This has alwasy been the American way of electing Presidents. Campaigns matter. You can have the greatest ideas in the world. If you can't sell it to the people who are voting...you will not win. Posted by: Henry at October 01, 2010 01:11 PM True... to a point. I don't believe Obama would have been taken seriously in many previous elections. Heck, the only way he was elected to IL State Legislature and the US Senate was because he got his opponents taken out and ran unopposed. Then, in the 2008 Democrat Primary and Presidential Campaign, he played the race card constantly (to both prop him up as a historical candidate and to beat his opponents over the head as racists were they to wield any criticism his way), lied about President Bush's economic record, had the mass media cover up his entire background and history and shrugged off any associations with Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. 2008 was not a case of selling oneself and one's ideas (most Obama voters simply voted for "change" or "hope"), so much as it was a case of tapping into the ignorance and naivety -- and 'white guilt' -- of the American electorate. Would that have been possible at any other time in recent campaigns? Assuming he had the same background at the time... would a Senator Obama have been able to beat Gore in a Primary in 2000? Would a Senator Obama have been able to defeat President Bush in 2004? My guess is no. Also, during the 2008 GOP Primaries, I can't even remember how many times I heard "conservatives" say "I support Fred/Hunter/(insert any other conservative candidate here), but the polls show they probably can't win, so I'm just going to vote for Romney/McCain/Huckabee, because the polls show they probably can win". Imagine if "conservatives" actually voted for their candidate of choice, instead of voting for whom the polls told them to vote. I dunno. I'm sure in every campaign there is showmanship, but I think we are in a time now when we have more than usual showmanship than substance and the electorate doesn't seem to mind. Until they realize they voted for showmanship and the showmans turn out to be corrupt jackasses. They then whine and blame the corrupt jackasses, when it was they who were stupid enough to vote for their showmanship and put them in office in the first place.

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"I was responding to an OT posting.  By the way who do you support so I can act like a six year old retard and call them a name too."

I support Palin.  And yea, go ahead and try and think of a name somebody else hasn't called her or her supporters.  Who cares what you call her.  She doesn't.

She's had libturds waving signs calling her a F_ _king C_ _t.  Think you can top that?  She's had libturd homos set fire to her church.  Think you can top that? Be my guest. 

She went eyeball to eyeball with three international oil companies that owned the legislature and they backed down.   No brag; just fact.

By the way, when is the Mitt boy going to come out and fight?  Why does he hide in the shadows and pimp out his media whores (ala Krauthammer) to take snarky shots at the Guv.?  You think you'd make a better president?  Fine.  Go on national television and tell us what you stand for and what you would do.  Where are you Mittens?  Come out, come out wherever you are!  What's the matter Mitt, scared of a girl? 

F him and all Northeast liberal elitist draft dodging Wall Street hustling RINO douche bags that look like him. 

P.S.  .. and the horse he rode in on. 



 

213 Posted by: Call Me Ishmael I'm sure Palin is thrilled to know that she has the "shit-for-brains Internet screamer" vote all sewn up.

214
We're a small yet determined fringe element. 

215 I'd like to see the Indians buying F18s.  In order to sweeten the pot I'd throw in the aircraft carrier Kittyhawk.  Hell, to sweeten the pot I'd also throw in all the F-4s they want.  That would give them the capability to have a presence anywhere they want from the coast of Africa to the Philippines.

It would also make the Pakistanis go absolutely apeshit.