February 11, 2010

Where Is the American Media?
— Ace

England's socialist, and the BBC is formally a government entity, but its media is less government-controlled than ours.

Via Instapundit.

Posted by: Ace at 06:27 PM | Comments (83)
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1 SOLID!  SCIENCE!  SCIENCED ME WITH BLINDNESS!

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 11, 2010 06:31 PM (0YPx8)

2 You know, Scotish accents rock.

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 11, 2010 06:31 PM (0YPx8)

3 Meanwhile CJ is pounding off to the sweet siren song of Patches "No Snow!" Kennedy...

Posted by: theoneandonlyfinn at February 11, 2010 06:32 PM (9e+Bu)

4 No our media is not state controlled. Its a bone I have with Rush as well. If the media were state controlled then they would not have fueled BDS with lies and distortions until 2006.9. Much of our media are voluntarily Pravda mouthpieces. Or as I like to call them MarxistSpewingMedia.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2010 06:33 PM (dkExz)

5 OK, maybe it's a Welsh accent.  Welsh accents rock!

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 11, 2010 06:34 PM (0YPx8)

6 "I was the chief scientist for the World Bank at the time."

I didn't have to go any further.

Posted by: cbullitt at February 11, 2010 06:39 PM (gwh5D)

7 The last heir to the drunken bum legacy to resign. Yay no more Kennedy's ! ding ding ding  http://tinyurl.com/yj4dz7r

Posted by: Joe 'joey bananas' Bonomo at February 11, 2010 06:41 PM (68tQb)

8 Dude, it doesn't fit the narrative. Sorry brah.

Posted by: The State Media at February 11, 2010 06:46 PM (bgcml)

9 If one were to interview each and every one of these Greenheads, they would all continue to spout the party line of "The Science is Settled"  while explicitly exempting themselves from any responsibility for the utter stupidity that is contained in the IPCC Report.

Posted by: TXMarko at February 11, 2010 06:47 PM (RyIpe)

10 I just like the way British folks say "strawberries". "strewburries"

Posted by: eman at February 11, 2010 06:48 PM (4tixt)

11 What we are seeing here is the flailing of sell-out "scientists" as they are introduced to the fact that their careers as respected peers are OVER.

Posted by: TXMarko at February 11, 2010 06:50 PM (RyIpe)

12 The USA media are willing accomplices with the statist politicians. Aristotle called them "natural slaves".

Posted by: rawmuse at February 11, 2010 06:50 PM (WWB6x)

13 "It is irrefutable that the earth's climate is changing" This is the little shell game they play. Of course the earth's climate is changing. It has been changing since the earth's creation and will continue to change up until the moment of earth's demise. This idea of freezing earth's current climate to how it currently exists is both foolhardy and egotistical.

Posted by: John at February 11, 2010 06:51 PM (Mldi1)

14 Frankly, I was expecting a longer, stronger cross-examination of that guy, but better than what goes on here.

What's with the very gay table and set?

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 11, 2010 06:51 PM (0YPx8)

15 Then I see Teddy old and bloated and Patches looking like he should be a mailman behind the counter and wonder what the fuck people saw in them.

Posted by: Dave C at February 11, 2010 10:50 PM (qmecx)

They saw a media creation relentlessly sold to them. Why do you think the Obamas grace all of those fashion and beauty magazines in the grocery store?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2010 06:52 PM (bgcml)

16 Why do you think the Obamas grace all of those fashion and beauty magazines in the grocery store?

It's the J Crew thing.

Clothes make the man... and the Klingon!

Posted by: TXMarko at February 11, 2010 06:54 PM (RyIpe)

17 This idea of freezing earth's current climate to how it currently exists is both foolhardy and egotistical.

Posted by: John at February 11, 2010 10:51 PM (Mldi1)

It is probably also a net negative if AGW is correct.

Looking at the historical record, warm periods have traditionally been associated with humanity flourishing, and cold periods with humanity struggling.  

This is what originally tipped me off that there was something wrong with AGW years ago. If a warmer earth will lead to all those calamities Al Gore goes on about - why didn't they happen when the earth was warmer during the late medieval ages?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2010 06:56 PM (bgcml)

18 we are going to have more "extreme weather events", OR are "extreme weather events" just getting reported MORE now because we have 24/7 news coverage?

Posted by: jJjjjjj at February 11, 2010 06:57 PM (0MzSU)

19 No no, this is just an episode of Look Around You!

Posted by: Salem at February 11, 2010 06:58 PM (86rbG)

20

Wow, I thought that clip was fucking MAGICAL. 

I'd actually pay attention to American media if they actually did this sort of stuff to everyone, not just those who don't share their worldview.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 11, 2010 06:58 PM (U37Ux)

21 "Why do you think the Obamas grace all of those fashion and beauty magazines in the grocery store?" Because they're black.

Posted by: Drummer from Def Leppard at February 11, 2010 06:58 PM (cG82+)

22 Where... "We have to understand how those mistakes got through" = "We have to understand how the cheating got discovered"

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 11, 2010 07:01 PM (5I0Yr)

23 we are going to have more "extreme weather events", OR are "extreme weather events" just getting reported MORE now because we have 24/7 news coverage? Posted by: jJjjjjj at February 11, 2010 10:57 PM (0MzSU

Also, because we build in more dangerous zones, with bigger structures.

Having a beach house in Florida sure beats having one in the Hamptons...until Hurricane season comes along.

Or having a megamansion in So Cal...until wildfire season.

Etc...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2010 07:01 PM (bgcml)

24 Cute:
http://tinyurl.com/yba8czt

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 11, 2010 07:04 PM (0YPx8)

25 "This is what originally tipped me off that there was something wrong with AGW years ago. If a warmer earth will lead to all those calamities Al Gore goes on about - why didn't they happen when the earth was warmer during the late medieval ages?" That's why they had to try to get rid of the Medieval Warming period.

Posted by: Rodney at February 11, 2010 07:05 PM (XRIh6)

26 That's why they had to try to get rid of the Medieval Warming period.

Posted by: Rodney at February 11, 2010 11:05 PM (XRIh6)

Indeed. I still don't get why it wasn't a bigger deal in 2004(?) when it was revealed that Mann had "accidentally" used incorrect data for the Medieval period in his Hockey Stick.

Of course we now know it was intentional fraud aka Mike's Nature trick.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2010 07:08 PM (bgcml)

27 nope, no bias in the LameSM that I can see.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at February 11, 2010 07:09 PM (NUAfx)

28 26, Yep. Vineyards in England. Record crops. Good times. Little Ice Age, a few centuries later, not so much.

Posted by: eman at February 11, 2010 07:10 PM (4tixt)

29

Ladies and gentlemen, this is what a pinata looks like when the guy with the stick isn't blindfolded.

Interviewer's unspoken subtext:  "You suck at your job.  Please resign."

Posted by: Secundus at February 11, 2010 07:12 PM (WuvMD)

30 Went to Kiddie Kos and extrapolated the Anthropoligal Glacial Worming phenomena and promply got punted after about 20 bites. God they hate me.

Posted by: chicocano at February 11, 2010 07:12 PM (6p3E9)

31 Re: 18-1
Amazingly enough I just re-read the Mckittrick? paper posted at Climateaudit.com about 10 minutes ago that explains the bastardization of Mann's science. I agree that it should have ended there. no excuses

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at February 11, 2010 07:14 PM (NUAfx)

32

That is what the US media hopes to one day do to Sarah Palin.   And by hope I mean dressing her up in a Lady Gaga outfit and reinacting a snuff film.

 

Posted by: knaws at February 11, 2010 07:15 PM (ej0Vm)

33 The American Media is in the pocket of THIS adminstration. Look there and you will find them.

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2010 07:20 PM (KZraB)

34 I was FOR global warming BEFORE I was very confused about global warming!

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at February 11, 2010 07:22 PM (Do528)

35 Ummm.. what the hell are those two other people doing in that video?  Shouldn't they break in once in a while??

Oh! There we go!  The guy says something!

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at February 11, 2010 07:24 PM (Do528)

36 Liar!

Posted by: greg at February 11, 2010 07:25 PM (Zypa0)

37 Bill Nye the political science guy.

Posted by: chicocano at February 11, 2010 07:30 PM (6p3E9)

38 Hey I'm mostly deaf, could somebody put up a quick recap of what the guy says in the video?

Thanks!

Posted by: manofaiki at February 11, 2010 07:31 PM (uSh7j)

39 If you're in a hurry just skip to the 5 minute mark. Warming Scientist gets his ass handed to him over the Himlayan glaciers there.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 11, 2010 07:33 PM (rWbvz)

40 For some reason, at the end of the video, all I could think of was; what a pair of boobs these guys are.  After watching the last bit a couple more times, I noticed the moving back ground and it all became clear to me.

Posted by: Moemo at February 11, 2010 07:35 PM (JDrQ3)

41 The Medieval Warm Period is a dirty whore.

Posted by: M. Mann at February 11, 2010 07:36 PM (0FiCa)

42 This idiot keeps insisting that the frauds and "errors" revealed over the last few months are just small parts of a solid body of research, but just what does that solid part consist of?

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 11, 2010 07:37 PM (0YPx8)

43 Reminder to my fellow scientists: Tomorrow is Burn Your Notebook Day. Don't forget!

Posted by: eman at February 11, 2010 07:40 PM (4tixt)

44 but just what does that solid part consist of?
Posted by: ParisParamus

The part based on data that is currently protected as State Secrets of course.


Posted by: Iskandar at February 11, 2010 07:41 PM (/o58C)

45 at the 3:00 minute mark and already this plays more like a climactic denouement at the end of a movie.

bunk.

brb

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 11, 2010 07:43 PM (ZvwTS)

46 The ClimateGate movie has just been cast. The Antarctic Ice Sheet will be played by you-know who.

Posted by: eman at February 11, 2010 07:45 PM (4tixt)

47

The question I love to troll the pro AGW sites with:

"How do you explain the end of the Ice Ages when the pinnacle of man's technological achievement may or may not have been the wheel?"

The responses get comical.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 11, 2010 08:00 PM (U37Ux)

48

"How do you explain the end of the Ice Ages when the pinnacle of man's technological achievement may or may not have been the wheel?"

Of course it did.  The wheel was a proto-SUV.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at February 11, 2010 08:15 PM (euuyg)

49 Can we trade every US presenter for that one?

Posted by: Vivi at February 11, 2010 08:19 PM (O3AwK)

50 The interviewer kicked the shit out of the MET's head, approx 4 wks ago.  Repeatedly pointing out how over the last three yrs, those hotter summers were actually cooler.  About a wk later, the BBC announced it might be severing it's ties w/ the MET.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 11, 2010 08:20 PM (ucq49)

51 Watson told a whopper about Kilimanjaro.  Yes, My Dear Watson, moisture was a reason for the ice melt, but it didn't hang together with the rest of the AGW story as he implied.  That lack of moisture was not due to warmer temps, rather the deforestation at the base of the mountain.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 11, 2010 08:25 PM (ucq49)

52 How do you explain the end of the Ice Ages when the pinnacle of man's technological achievement may or may not have been the wheel?

There is clear evidence of Goa'uld terraforming and architecture in Giza. The science is SETTLED!

I now bid you a dew!

Posted by: Lars Jensen at February 11, 2010 08:26 PM (DDnvF)

53

"a reason for the ice melt reduction"

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 11, 2010 08:27 PM (ucq49)

54 Andrew Neil's show, "The Daily Politics," is always a good watch.  I've seen Genius Conservative Daniel Hannon on there a few times, and the show is fairly balanced.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 11, 2010 08:38 PM (+PfVy)

55
At 8:20 they talk mention the WWF.
Why is Vincent McMahon involved in all this?

Posted by: YIKES! at February 11, 2010 08:39 PM (jrlj0)

56

"Are you unbiased?" 

"Why, yes. Yes I am.  How can you doubt it?"

  SNORT!

Posted by: Starboardhelm at February 11, 2010 08:52 PM (SgSfB)

57

The media's been bought and paid for. The entire US media framework is owned by 5 people or less. What does that tell you?

http://www.repubx.com

Posted by: deek at February 11, 2010 09:13 PM (98hOY)

58 the BBC is a 'government corporation', a mutant bastard child funded by annual fees paid by all owners of TV sets in Britain.

 It is autonomous but relentlessly leftist--that's why Thatcher and other Conservative governments in Britain could not control it


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 11, 2010 09:44 PM (JrRME)

59

the BBC is free to be climate sceptic because the Conservative parth under David Cameron have strapped themselves to the climate change bandwagon in a big way, and if it crashes so do they - or at least they take a big credibility/judgement hit.

Perversely being a sceptic in the UK helps the left-wing labour party.

The BBC is prepared to junk AGW and lose a bit of face because they, like the american media, would rather do everything they can to help the left-wing party, and harm the conservatives

Of course the BBC has swung a little to help the tories under Cameron, but that's only because he is pretty much a lefty on social issues and the NHS.

When conservative leaders make these kinda noises to get media on side, like McCain, they only lose out in the end because the media will always junk them as soon as a bigger lefty comes along, they make an arse of yourself as in the case of David Cameron

Posted by: Iron Will at February 11, 2010 10:43 PM (TsaVv)

60 BBC is just a right wing mouthpiece like Fox News, etc, etc

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at February 11, 2010 11:16 PM (sYxEE)

61

No our media is not "state controlled".  They are controlled by a separate group of communists.

They have rendered the first amendment imaterial.

Posted by: Vic at February 12, 2010 03:34 AM (QrA9E)

62 Heh.  The climate change apologist is truly a spin-meister.  Still, the talking head had him on the run the entire interview.

Posted by: Mazzuchelli at February 12, 2010 03:36 AM (SD1et)

63 Wow... that was a thing of beauty! MORE PLEASE!

Posted by: Mjim at February 12, 2010 03:39 AM (V8B//)

64 of course the climate is not changing that should be obvious to all

Posted by: Noah at February 12, 2010 04:46 AM (mhD2v)

65 Is it not true, Sir, that your degree from Cambridge is not in any of the physical sciences but rather describes you as a 'lying sack of shit?'

Posted by: epobirs at February 12, 2010 04:54 AM (NXCBg)

66 If there's no snow or if it's too warm, then it's Global Warming. If there's too much snow and it's too cold, well... that's also caused by Global Warming.
    Well, I ain't no big-city liar...er, lawyer...and I ain't a Nobel-prize winnin' scientist, but it occurs to me that if you construct an argument by which, if one thing happens it proves you right, and if'n the exact opposite happens, it also proves you right, then you might be a fraudulent, no-account, perjurin' and lyin' sack of monkey shit.
  

Posted by: Bitsko at February 12, 2010 05:43 AM (8/KZN)

67 I would have to agree with PaleRider at #4.

Our media is not state-controlled, but rather Party-controlled.   They were Party-controlled during the whole Bush term, and they are now. 

The only real question, and not much of one: Which Party?   Communist or Democrat?  And is there a difference?  They do blindly follow a party of some form, whatever party that Al Gore/George Soros W.W.P. global communism continual reek is coming from.  I'm pretty sure though that the Democrat party in America is that in name only.  America wouldn't stomach it if they just up and changed the name to Communist Party, you know?  So they keep the old name.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at February 12, 2010 05:59 AM (ltfED)

68

I'm watching this interviewer and trying to come up with an American MSMer who could stay on topic in a similar situation, and I can't think of a one.

Insofar as being informed on the subject, again - drawing a blank. Lou Dobbs maybe.

 

Posted by: kallisto at February 12, 2010 05:59 AM (ax7yR)

69

53.

So true.  From the  Journal of Geophysical Research Atmosphere

The turbulent sensible heat flux remains small (at Kilimanjaro), which indicates the marginal role of local air temperature by itself on ablation...

In other words, local conditions have increased ablation which is making Kilimanjaro retreat, not temperature change.  The report, makes it clear that deforestation, not global warming, is the culprit. 

Watson knows this and refuses to acknowledge the basic research that doesn't support his position that everything is caused by global warming.

Link to the article.

http://tinyurl.com/yfn2d6t

Posted by: knaws at February 12, 2010 05:59 AM (ej0Vm)

70 Boy we sure beat communism good back in the eighties didn't we.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at February 12, 2010 06:00 AM (ltfED)

71 Yes, one wonders if the evil Bush?Cheney cabal had been pushing AGW if the media would have climbed on board so hard.,

Posted by: Vic at February 12, 2010 06:00 AM (QrA9E)

72 39 Hey I'm mostly deaf, could somebody put up a quick recap of what the guy says in the video?

Thanks!

Posted by: manofaiki at February 11, 2010 11:31 PM (uSh7j)

This is an interpretive work, based on theory, conjecture, and not a transcript, but it mostly is truthy:

Interviewer: It looks like we're talking about fraud here.

Dr. Dingleberry: Why, these are just mistakes, mind you mistakes that should have never got through the process. (waves hands)

Interviewer: That's a lot of mistakes you got there.

Dr. Dingleberry: But if we're not frauds, the consequences could be dire for all mankind and the spotted dick, do you have to keep giving us grant money.

Interviwer: But your crappy predictions not only aren't true, but they're being shown as based on random nonsense in student papers, not actual studies.

Dr. Dingleberry: That's just another isolated incident...

Interviewer: And another, which you yourself were implicated in...

Dr. Dingleberry: I was wearing a blindfold and earmuffs at the time! And it's only a small part of our frau... I mean data! So I wasn't to blame for this IPCC nonsense!

Interviewer: What about this glacier bullpuckey?

Dr. Dingleberry: Yes, That's the 9th Fundamental Mistake that I'm going to deign to admit to other people making.

Interviewer: But he made it all up and took people's money for it.

Dr. Dingleberry: Yes, but we need to understand this phenomenon we've made up, that's increasing and dangery.

Interviewer: But the people who pointed out the mistake you just admitted was made say that's cods-wallop - it's not increasing. And it's been going on for a hundred years - before significant human influence. And some glaciers are growing.

Dr. Dingleberry: Well, despite the fact that I just said that shrinking glaciers are a sign of AGW, I'm now going to say that if AGW were true, you would also expect them to grow. Or shrink. At any rate. Just to cover my bases.

Interviewer: And y'all have had to admit your Kilimanjaro codswallop isn't AGW either.

Dr. Dingleberry: Well, I'll admit that, and retract my admission, pretty much simultaneously, because while our claims were false, they were true.

Interviewer: Al Gore likes you because you're on board with this IPCC thing.

Dr. Dingleberry: Why yes, I was the author, the chair, responsible for that...

Interviewer: Didn't you just disclaim responsibility for that?

Dr. Dingleberry: Oh, Snap!

Interviewer: You once told us that temperature would increase 6 degrees in the centurey.

Dr. Dingleberry: Hedge hedge hedge. Oh, and we're all going to die.

Interviewer: You have a deep vested interest.

Dr. DIngleberry: No I don't

Interviewer: Yes you do

Dr. Dingleberry: No I don't

Interviewer: Look, You've tied yourself to this agenda, and you keep admitting these mistakes

Dr. Dingleberry: No, it's just a few bad sentences in a whole lot of other truthy words

Interviewer: Just the WWF bungfancy is 40 different things

Dr. Dingleberry: But it's truthy!

Lanky Wanker: You're so mean, interviewer guy. Every scientist agrees that there's no question that they shouldn't be questioned.

Interviewer: Bullpuckey and good night, I'm off to watch American Idol.



Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at February 12, 2010 06:04 AM (bxiXv)

73 Vic, I think I remember the various department heads under Bush all giving AGW lip-service and thus expanding the idea's credibility.  But they were doing it BECAUSE the media was pushing it so hard.  That's the sad part of that.  Unprincipled and intellectually weak people jump on bandwagons.  Just to be cool, just to avoid the pereception of being out-of-touch.  Because that's what was MADE popular by the media, a hundred Bush appointees gave it a public nod.

The same thing our side does with insinuations of Republican racist history.  We bow to the conventional wisdom instead of the truth.  Our leaders and spokespeople are public buffoons and wusses when it comes to things like this, and AGW, and ISLAM.  (Yeah, real NOBLE, Mr. Bush.  Islam just SCREAMS nobility.)

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at February 12, 2010 06:10 AM (ltfED)

74 Merovign, pure friggin genius.

Points for use of term: bungfancy.........1,250

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at February 12, 2010 06:15 AM (ltfED)

75

This sounds like a Monty Python sketch. "How many moose did you actually see?"

"Well, since I've been employed as a professional moose watcher, I have seen almost one."

Posted by: Vashta.Nerada at February 12, 2010 06:43 AM (Ag6DW)

76 "Merovign, pure friggin genius."  I second that motion and wish to add bonus points for his use of the word codswallop.  I looked it up and it didn't mean what I thought it did.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at February 12, 2010 07:32 AM (UPNlB)

77 Why do I have to keep explaining this.  The interviewee told you that all serious scientists agree on AGW.  Those who don't are by definition not serious scientists. QED
 

Posted by: pep at February 12, 2010 07:53 AM (5GcKk)

78 Thank you Merovign, that was not only a hilarious summary, it was accurate as well. If you aren't a professional writer, you should be. Best regards, Peter Warner.

Posted by: Peter Warner at February 12, 2010 08:51 AM (7fxhZ)

79 Merovign: "Every scientist agrees that there's no question that they shouldn't be questioned." That's what the Pope tried to tell Galileo.

Posted by: Timon at February 12, 2010 09:41 AM (Y9D/M)

80

A good interview. However, the interview would have been much better if the interviewer had countered the global warming sound science meme with the flawed tree ring data and the manipulated temperature gauge data.

Posted by: davod at February 12, 2010 10:39 AM (GUZAT)

81

Could you imagine a buffoon like Charlie Gibson, or a stuffed suit like Brian Williams conducting an interview like this?

Do you think any of our anchors spend any time researching or background-checking ANYTHING that ANYONE on the left asserts?

 

 

Posted by: stickety at February 12, 2010 12:11 PM (8Ev54)

82 Is this why it is called "the press corpse?"

Posted by: Buck Ofama at February 12, 2010 01:04 PM (QzHCv)

83 80 Thank you Merovign, that was not only a hilarious summary, it was accurate as well. If you aren't a professional writer, you should be.

Best regards, Peter Warner.

Posted by: Peter Warner at February 12, 2010 12:51 PM (7fxhZ)


Thank you all for your kind words and appreciation of obscure insults. I am at the moment an unprofessional writer and a professional computer geek, an ill-fortune I intend to reverse.

Also, some may want to consider bonus points for being 7 minutes late for work, explaining that I had lost track of time transcribing an important scientific exchange for the hearing-impaired, and being congratulated on my sense of civic duty instead of ticked off for tardiness.

Even _I_ didn't think that was going to work, but it did!

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at February 12, 2010 08:15 PM (bxiXv)

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