It's gonna happen.  I wrote my congressman yesterday to tell him I knew he planned to vote for the shit sandwich, but to ask him to man up and not vote for the "deeming it passed" sauce.  I don't expect much from the little weasel.  I don't even expect him to have the balls to vote on a bill.  I just wanted to let him know not everyone in his district likes it up the ass.

I heard on ABC news (radio, while in my car) that the Catholic Church is now supporting the bill. What? Anyone got any more on this?

I seemingly heard the exact opposite yesterday. The little socialist weasals at ABC radio are good little propagandists, so 'Bishop X says he supports the notion of covering the unsinsured...' turns in to 'The Catholic Church backs Obama's...'

I heard on ABC news (radio, while in my car) that the Catholic Church is now supporting the bill. What? Anyone got any more on this?

The Catholic church is not going for this because of the abortion part of the bill.  If they would change that, the church would be all on board with it.  But, they can't change that or they lose the progs.  It's the only thing about this that I am enjoying.

Speaking from the beyond, we thank all of you that have voted and supported your leader, Obama.  It was hard work on our part, but we knew that in the future, which is now, Amerika would eventually come to our way of govrnment.  Thank you Soviet Patriots for your support of our way of government.  Communism is the best way to equal out all problems.  Oh, by the way, Satin says hi too!

Joseph and Nikita

I spent the better part of the evening drafting a letter/email that a conservative friend can send out to his contacts in one of the 10 "maybe's" district.  Perhaps some of this can be useful to my fellow morons and you can craft your own email.

There is a Winston Churchill quote that is applicable to this fight.  This is the attitude we must have:
 
"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

(Dear Congressman,)

I write to encourage you to oppose government-run health care and any legislation which might broaden the federal government's control over my health care.

Current health care legislation will result in lost health insurance and lost jobs for the American people and will push us deeper into recession.

Nobody has ever attempted this level of centralized planning.  The federal government does not have my trust to run a program as big as the economy of France.  I disagree with how this whole thing has been handled, behind closed doors, with favors or outright bribes.  The way this is being done feels wrong, especially this Slaughter shenanigan.  I agree with the WSJ, who said yesterday, this “gambit is a brazen affront to the plain language of the Constitution.”

If this "reform" is truly about "controlling costs," why did the democrats rig the estimate on the first decade of costs by delaying the programÂ’s start by five years?  Why hasnÂ’t tort reform be front and center?  Why hasnÂ’t opening up competition across state lines be part of the proposal? 

The federal government should NOT be funding abortions or health care for illegal immigrants.  No matter what the democrat leadership says about this, I donÂ’t trust them.  And I donÂ’t trust the government to interfere with the doctor/patient relationship. 

# 30...

Cut and paste your letter to my Senators and Congress..people.  Live in California...don't have a chance in hell for this to help, but I love your letter..

Will send it off tomorrow.  Thank you Patriot.  With you 100%

Sparky

People, I DID NOT VOTE  FOR THIS......Instead, I violated my oath of office, the constitution and several laws that would earn me a jailcell next to Bernie Madoff

12 Jason Altmire announced that "deem and pass is wrong", but that doesn't mean he won't support the bill. So I'm not moving him out of the "No, But Maybe" category just yet.

Every time I see him, he looks like a "Yes, But Maybe Not".

Maybe it's just because he looks weasely to me.
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 no. it's because he knows it's wrong and admits it publically and he STILL is undecided.

yes, you are an eeyore. You've seen this tactic again and again-give the illusion of success despite the reality. it ain't over til its over. The tougher it is to get the votes, the more they crow that they already have them. It's called give the impression of inevitability and deject the opposition. It is doing the opposite though-making more people even more determined to stop this.

This thing is so far beyond toxic and they all know it. Worse yet, THEY will not be the ones to hold the power if this thing gets through. I'm thinking when the repubs take office after the wipedout of Dems, first law made is any elected politician loses their cushy special healthcare and gets the same crap the rest of us do

nothing is going right.

demo☠rats

#45, I mostly agree...having faith in the Pub leadership to properly exploit this exclusively Dem-made mess is still a tall order. But, I think that the Dem power-grab has been so breathtakingly ham-handed and toxic that they still have no hope of holding the majority...at best for them, it gets pared to a bare minimum. This sham has gone on for so long that the Dems really can't count on the voters to just forget it ever happened. And hell, opposing this legislation is a badge of honor and the Pubs should do nothing but explain why they opposed it.

Lastly, the Dems seem to be prepared to move on to other deeply unpopular things like amnesty and cap-n-tax, however this health-care thing turns out....stand back and watch them implode.

Okay, let's say for some horrendous reason this POS passes both houses.  What's the chance that the USSC calls it unconstitutional for what ever reason.

Ya know, the Supremes weren't real happy being called out at the SOtU.  But then they are usually very careful and deliberate when it comes to dealing with the executive and congress.

Thoughts?

"ABC is claiming since some administrators at Catholic Hospitals "

They're not even administrators.  It's a trade org that represents "some" Catholic hospitals.

Good Morning M&Ms

First a note on the whip count. In one sense, a public whip count is pointless. It's only as good as each congressman's publicly stated word, which we all know is worth spit.

That is the key right there. How many of those who have said no to protect themselves from voter anger will vote yes and likewise, how many have said yes to protect themselves from being poked in the shower will vote no?

We have heard so many outright lies on this issue you can't believe anything anymore. Especially if it is coming from a Dem.

We will know for sure when Nanny Nan schedules a vote. If it goes to Easter as Clyburn says it is probably semi-dead.

I don't think anyone should put the time into a "well crafted" letter. Just call tell them that you:

1. Oppose the cram down and will work against their guy in the next election. Promise to donate to their opposition.

2. Consider the Demonpass a consitutional crisis and will support in every way possilbe.

Your email can be as simple as NO OBAMACARE.

They don't read it, they just count it.

LOL, you guys arguing about which State is worse, CA or NY.  I have lived in both, although NY was only a short time.  At the time I lived in NY (Winter of 71-72) in Saratoga the area was fairly conservative.  Not so much in CA in the Bay Area.  That probably colors my thinking somewhat but I feel like it would be easier to turn NY around than CA.  The hardest part about turning NY around would be “the city”.  People in upstate at the time wanted to disown “the city”.

Posted by: Mal at March 17, 2010 08:13 AM (Z+qzA)

Talking about Scarborough's total douchebaggedness is never off-topic.  All 12 people who watch him think the same.

Did he mention that he was the youngest Congresscritter, ever?

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2010 08:29 AM (QrA9E)

that hasn't changed

O/T Great editorial in the Wash Post by Robert Kagan on Obama pissing off our allies and cozying up with thugs and dictators.

Scary scary comments on the article. I was actually shocked by the rabid antisemitism. These guys are going full fledged National Socialist as we watch. Right here in the USA.

http://tinyurl.com/ykoeuwz

My friend said "you can say you are LGBT and no one says a word but if you say you are a conservative everyone is in your face." 

Isn't it strange that the libtards when in the majority will get all in your face if you say you are a conservative, but when the opposite is true the "hating" conservatives don't do that when someone says they are a liberal.

Speaking generalities of course.

The problem is Congressional Districts and gerrymandering

Boy you got that right.  Look at that district that Slaughter comes from!  CA is also bad which is why Repubs simply do not have a chance there.

I wonder why the courts have never struck down gerrymandering the way they struct down "at large" elections in the South? They seem to have zero problem interfeering in the political process if they are seeking some kind of affirmative action goal, but leave it alone for other things.

No I don't wonder I know. "Gerrymandering" started out as a liberal thing in MA.  "At large" elections were in the evil South.  Liberal court, liberal outcomes.  

In a sane world with a real court gerrymandering would have been found unconsitutional long ago.

97 Last year at my son's catholic high school, the woman sitting next to me asked how the religion dept was because she didn't want it to be "too conservative" because "I am sooo liberal". I said that it was too liberal but "I am sooo conservative." She GASPED and jumped  backwards. I laughed right in her face.

Recently her boy's father (divorced) asked my son to talk to her/his son about doing homework and going to practice. What goes around comes around.

99 I don't remember this level of hostility under Clinton. I do remember the libs being in a snit during Reagan because they thought they were going to die in a nuclear war--because he was sooo stupid.

Look, I'm not the biggest GWB fan but people weren't really labeling each other when he was prez.  Did people label each other under Clinton?

People have been "labeling" each other since there have been people. As far as political labels go the left and right labels were developed in 1789 when discussing the French asembly.

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2010 08:50 AM (QrA9E)

Saratoga is a beautiful place, unfortunately marred by an influx of asshole libs. Most of Upstate would be just fine with NYC being cut off and made a state unto itself.

From Michelle Malkin:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is asking all female Democratic Members to attend a hastily called meeting Wednesday morning but isnÂ’t saying what the meeting is about.

PelosiÂ’s office sent an e-mail out Tuesday evening requesting that all female Democrats come to the Members-only meeting at 10 a.m.

An aide to one Democratic Member said Pelosi’s office said the topic of the meeting was “to be determined.”

At a guess, it may be the meeting where she admits that she doesnÂ’t have the votes for the bill without an abortion ban to lure in Bart StupakÂ’s coalition.

109 Isn't that weird?

Maybe she is going to threaten their children with Rahm's little penis or give them coupons for free botox injections.

Gender identity politics seems so passe, darling.

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Did someone mention Big Red?

anyone know anyone else I can listen to from 3-6?

Yes, try Howie Carr at WRKO, Boston.

To the newbie trolls entering the Kingdom of Ace, go ahead and drop a turd so we can trounce your ass.  Standing by for turdism!

Notice it was "China Wholesale" who screwed-up the thread font?  Those Chinese and their our computers.  We need to stop letting them have the computers they make for us.

Posted by: Fish at March 17, 2010 03:08 PM (M5t+h)

i've heard great things about him, i'll give him a try

Spit is worth more than a Congresscritter.

spit

Rush mentioned this blog??

Dear Sweet Jesus...does this mean the AoS Lifestyle ^TM  is going mainstream. Hobo hunting and tranny hookers will become national pasttimes??

Valu-Rite stock will go through the roof!!!

This health care bill is no toxic; today I started my period as you can tell by the red lettering.  And you thought my cooter was shriveled up from old age and never receives any action.  Wrong Gonzo, Barack sticks it to me daily and I love the chocolate lollypop!

Am I so drunk my eyes are bleeding red??

the fuck is going on here??

A few minutes ago I found on your blog a list of the un-decided and I started to email them. Went back and no list!

I did on e -- Scott Murphy -- and then decided to do one letter and send it to all.  Five minutes later I cannot find that list !! Where is it??

Please publish the "on the fence" people so we can contact them. Thanks,   Dr.  Cameron Jackson  rCameronJackson@gmail.com">DrCameronJackson@gmail.com

"The House Republican whip team just held a conference call in which they said that the Democrats have 206 yes votes for the health care bill. They need 216 to pass it. There are currently 51 Democrats who are said to be undecided and the leadership can afford to lose 37 Democrats in all, which sounds like a pretty tough road for opponents of the bill (without the Stupak language on abortion, all Republicans are expected to vote no).

Chief Deputy Republican Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) nevertheless said he felt this week had hurt Democratic vote-getting efforts somewhat. He argued that the Slaughter rule did not sit well with some wobbling Democrats and "will make the American people very angry" if the leadership actually tries to go through with it (McCarthy seemed to suggest they won't). McCarthy said that usually when you talk about process, you lose but "this year, I think process does matter." He said that the Scott Brown victory suggested that voters wanted the Democratic leadership to be more responsive than they have been during the health care debate.

Rep. Parker Griffith (R-Ala.), a recent party-switcher from the Democratic Party, talked about some of the things the Democrats will do to whip their members. Griffith said they will "know your demographics," "know how much cash you have on hand," "know how popular Obama is and Pelosi is in your district," and know if you want a "road project," "medical school," or "have a severe Medicaid shortage that needs to be shored up." Griffith said that as a physician and former Democrat, "I saw firsthand that the Republicans had many good ideas that were ignored." "

From Phil Klein at Amspec blog. Don't know if the "yes" votes are all committed or include "leaning."

It would be the first time in my life that I'll have health insurance that they can't yank away at any time. I've seen it happen to too many people and watched their lives get ruined.

Posted by: GreenDay at March 17, 2010 03:36 PM (MN+T/)

It would be the first time in my life that I'll be able to suck from the fruits and labors of others while I spend my own money on booze, dope, and ho's.

For her two terms Gabrielle Giffords (D AZ- has been in the pocket of Pelosi. She will cling to any cover provided to her by the speaker but if called upon she will follow her partyÂ’s lead. This despite the constant pressure heaped on her daily by her constituents. So, she is a maybe until called upon to follow her speaker leader.

Let's go Dems. Pass the damn bill!

This isn't a footgame game jerkoff.

I hope FOX uses the camera angles from the 2008 "Palin Interviews"

just cause Mr. Thin Skin isnt a real TOTUS. 

Posted by: arhooley at March 17, 2010 03:33 PM (VSKB6)

More likely that Pelosi figures some of the Dems are just holding out for goodies and when push comes to shove they won't vote no.

I think she'll call a vote if she has 212.  She'll go all in.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 17, 2010 03:52 PM (fx8sm)

I just called Barney Frank, and he told me it's spelled colonics?

Iamnotanalco-WHAT?!?!

It's what I keep saying over and over again here at the treatment center.

We need to focus on what to do when it passes.

It's what I keep saying over and over again here at the treatment center.

Sorry--dumb eTrade commercial reference.

I think she'll call a vote if she has 212. 

I didn't see this mentioned. It's from the National Republican Congressional Committee web site:

The U.S. Department of Interior announced yesterday that it is increasing water allocations for the Central Valley of California, a region that depends on these water allocations to support local agriculture and jobs. The region has recently been starved for water and as a result unemployment has soared.  Not surprisingly, Cardoza and Costa had a hand in the announcement:

 
“Typically, Reclamation would release the March allocation update around March 22nd, but moved up the announcement at the urging of Senators Feinstein and Boxer, and Congressmen Costa and Cardoza.”(“Interior Announces Increased Water Supply Allocations in California

The casual conversations around at the men's room and water fountains and in line at the Congressional cafeteria and others did not sound like this was a go..

There's men in the democrat party?

There's men in the democrat party?

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at March 17, 2010 04:07 PM (1Sr46)

There are still people voting Dem because Truman was a Dem. That is the whole of their political philosophy. They are clueless. And vote.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 17, 2010 04:05 PM (1Jaio)"

Not a fan of Hannity but he covered this on his television program and his radio program countless times.  The more he covered it, the angrier Americans got.  Would not be surprised if they were inundated with cards, letters, emails and faxes since his last mention.   However have you noticed how he get what he wants no matter what, even if he has to bypass the legislators.

Posted by: taylork at March 17, 2010 04:06 PM (0Hn5w)

Kind of like the old Soviet Union. Everyone has some money, but the shops were usually bare. Come to think of it, that didn't work out so well.

Posted by: GreenDay at March 17, 2010 03:36 PM (MN+T/)

Your life will still suck because you're a worthless turd.  You like to blame your fucked up life on everybody but the cocksucker who's inside your skin, or your parents who produced such a whiny loser.  Happiness just isn't in your future, whether this piece of shit bill passes or not.  Get used to it fuckstick.

228 what was she doing mentioning us and whingeing? 

She's also out there saying the phone lines are being melted by zerocare supporters.

The U.S. Department of Interior announced yesterday that it is increasing water allocations for the Central Valley of California, a region that depends on these water allocations to support local agriculture and jobs. The region has recently been starved for water and as a result unemployment has soared.  Not surprisingly, Cardoza and Costa had a hand in the announcement:

 
“Typically, Reclamation would release the March allocation update around March 22nd, but moved up the announcement at the urging of Senators Feinstein and Boxer, and Congressmen Costa and Cardoza.”(“Interior Announces Increased Water Supply Allocations in California

And this, folks, is how it's going to work in Obummer's third-world Amerika.  We'll let you have a little water to subsist as long as you do what we tell you.

It would be the first time in my life that I'll be able to suck from the fruits and labors of others while I spend my own money on booze, dope, and ho's.

Posted by: Fish at March 17, 2010 03:43 PM (M5t+h)

Second look at the Health Care Bill!!

There's men in the democrat party?

No, not since Zell bailed on the socialist bastards.

Some Hispanic comic was out there helping them protest

Paul Rodriguez I believe is his name.  And he is also a local farmer, not just helping them protest.

Posted by: GreenDay at March 17, 2010 03:36 PM (MN+T/)

You've had at least that long to wean yourself off of sucking your mother's cock but last I heard you hadn't done it. Proving once again that we as individuals are responsible for our own situations, terrible or otherwise.

Ok, I had to go for a while and am back. I sense a defeatist attitude that wasn't there earlier. What happened? Did we throw out Gabe's numbers and adopt the numbers from Phil Klein's at Amspec blog?

Do we know if the "yes" votes are all committed or include "leaning".

What is the status?

Well. Democrats who use the men's room.

Did you say hi to Nancy or Hillary?

To the whiny and weak troll named Greenday, I'm going to give you a little pearl of wisdom that my old man gave me.

The world is a rough old pecker and it'll ram itself up your ass every chance it gets. Toughen the fuck up!

Some Hispanic comic was out there helping them protest

Paul Rodriguez I believe is his name.  And he is also a local farmer, not just helping them protest.

They have reason to protest.  The gubmint shut down agriculture in that region to save the endangered shit-minnow, or some such crap.  Thousands of acres gone back to desert.  No small coincidence that you see it in produce prices, yourself, if you, you know, eat.

Posted by: maddogg at March 17, 2010 04:19 PM (OlN4e)

No, that's the Constitution you're thinking of.

They have reason to protest.  The gubmint shut down agriculture in that region to save the endangered shit-minnow, or some such crap.  Thousands of acres gone back to desert.  No small coincidence that you see it in produce prices, yourself, if you, you know, eat.

Screw them Herr, those shitheads voted for Zero. They got their just desserts.

From congressional facebook via hotair commenter:

Congressman Joe Barton(R) just wrote on his Facebook page that the CBO scored the house fix OVER $1 trillion.

“health care issue is still up in the air…..the Congressional budget office score has come in at over 1 trillion $..yes …..1 trillion……if the bill is not posted by 6 pm today< we cant vote on it saturday…stay tunedabout" an hour ago

Screw them Herr, those shitheads voted for Zero. They got their just desserts.

if the bill is not posted by 6 pm today< we cant vote on it saturdayÂ…stay tunedabout" an hour ago

Huh?  You're assuming the dems adhere to congressional rules.

http://hillbuzz.org/  Time to go after Dem donors.

I sent the following to John Tanner (D) of the 8th Tennessee district.

The Honorable Congressman John Tanner,

I understand that you have taken a position that is listed as "undecided" on the healthcare proposal before the legislature. I also understand that you have stated that you will read the bill prior to voting for or against it. I am curious how you can know what is in the bill, when Speaker Pelosi has declared that it will be pushed through so that "...we can find out what is in it".

If the House votes on the so-called "reconcilliation" measure, I am asking that you vote against that measure, as it will certainly be a vote for something that none of the members know what it has in it.

The CBO cannot properly grade this bill, as to its cost, because they cannot know what is in it either. As one that calls himself a fiscal conservative, I don't see how you can go along with this measure.

Also, I asked you several years ago, "Why would you be a part of a party that endorses things that you have declared that you are against?", and your reply was that you could not be a part of a party (The Republicans) that try to force people to side with them on an issue. It appears that now that when the Democrats had the super majority, that is exactly what they were doing to their members.

I hope you are considering your legacy in the issue of healthcare. You can leave office with the legacy of being a "YES MAN" to Speaker Pelosi, or you can leave with a good conscience. If you leave with that good conscience, your voice may be heard by the voters when you endorse a candidate to replace you.

Sincerely,
Phillip Senn
Troy, TN

Posted by: Barack Obama, smartest lawyer evah! at March 17, 2010 05:03 PM (Vo2Ef)"

It isn't that hard, if you know pay the right people.

Bills need to be wholly related to their purpose.  No riders. no pork.  If an item cant stand on its own then maybe it should not pass.  There is a heavy opinion of corruption around these things that get "slipped in" I don't think the American people should be held hostage because someone will vote no unless you "slip this in"  If a good bill needs help then you rally and explain the bill get we the people behind it.  Lies and deceit, or the appearance of lies and deceit hide in complication.

If a bill is too big for people to understand how can it be defended by the common person to a detractor or effectively promoted.

When this Obama care bill is promoted to me I always ask what is so good about it.  People come back with vague generalities unable to communicate any specifics to support a viewpoint.  They leave me feeling worse than when they arrived.  I don't resort to telling anyone they are stupid as that does not promote active, thinking, or meaningful conversation.  Most people know they need something but cant articulate the benefits. 

This is true for bills from both side of the aisle.  The bills are too big and the people think correctly so that its a big bait and switch at times.  For example if you call a bill the "Save the little puppies bill" and it has little if anything to do with saving puppies.  Thats dishonest.  If you "slide in" something that provides money for orphans, thats dishonest and shady.  Money for orphans may be good but it should pass or fail on its own.  

This is of course my opinion

Posted by: GreenDay at March 17, 2010 03:36 PM (MN+T/)

Move to fucking Canada asshole. Seriously, I want your ass on the next whatever to the great white north. they already have what you're looking for. So feel free to pack up your skeech marked panties and piss the fuck off.

House leadership always wins close votes. She won't bring it to the floor unless she is very near 216, and a few no votes can always be flipped to yes on the floor. Remember Medicare part D? Hastert held the vote open for 3 hours until they could flip someone. Imagine that you are a "no" Congressman, the vote is open, and you forgot your empty water bottles in the car. The Seargant at Arms is standing in front of the doors, and you are not allowed to leave the House chamber until the vote is closed. Your bladder pressure is rising and you need to go now. Madame Speaker makes clear that the vote will stay open until she gets to 216 ayes, even if it takes all weekend. She is offering special deals to flippers. You either change your vote or you wet your pants. Most Congressmen will change their votes.

The best way for Obama to flip reluctant Congressmen is to guarantee them good, long term employment after they lose their congressional seats. Unfortunately, Judgeships require Senate confirmation. The most Obama can truly guarantee is 2 years of employment, after which it will be legal for a Congressman to become a lobbyist.

There is zero chance that any meaningful part of Obamacare will be overturned by the Supreme Court, and repeal won't be possible until 2013 at the earliest. It is best to stop this pig now.

Kucinich has only not supported this legislation because it did not have a "public (government) option".  Obama finally has let Kucinich in on the truth that the "public option" (along with other governmental controls) will be added later, once this is passed or assumed to have passed.  So now Kucinich supports the legislation that he vowed not to support if there were no "public option".  Make sure you contact Kucinich and let him know his political career will be over if he votes for this.

It is amazing how many people in the US want a free ride.  Such as Unclefacts who said this would be the first time he had health insurance that couldn't be yanked away at any time.  Really ???  So you are one of the large majority of people who do have healthcare insurance.   Now you want it decreed a right and have others pay for it.  Why would you want to destroy the best medical system in the world when all that is needed is an adjustment of medical coverage ?  Opening up the free market by allowing us to purchase insurance from any insurance company in the nation would be a good first step along with Tort reform. I am sure there are other tweaks to the system that would help lower the costs, but I'll leave that to the experts and not some community organizer who doesn't like the way capitalism works. 

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