March 20, 2010
— Gabriel Malor Since my last count yesterday, Pelosi got Sanford Bishop, Scott Murphy, Suzanne Kosmas, Brad Ellsworth, Allen Boyd, Tom Perriello, Dina Titus and John Boccieri. (Harry Mitchell announced again, but I already counted him in the "yes" group.)
She lost Jason Altmire, John Barrow, Lincoln Davis (officially; he was already headed that way), Peter DeFazio (a surprise from "yes" to "no"), Heath Shuler, and Harry Teague.
So Nancy has 199 "definitely voting yes" congresscritters. She is 17 short of the magic number. There are 214 publicly declared "no" votes. There are 18 undecided/undeclared congressmen left (including Cuellar):
Yes votes in November now undecided:
Tim Bishop (NY-1), Mike Capuano (MA-8 ), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Bill Foster (IL-14), Baron Hill (IN-9), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), Bill Owens (NY-23), Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), Zack Space (OH-18 ), John Tierney (MA-6).
No votes in November now undecided:
Brian Baird (WA-3), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ).
Of the maybe's left, I suspect enough have told Pelosi privately that they are voting "no" that she believes she has to peel apart Stupak's bloc to pick up the final handful of votes. That's why all the effort last night. Unfortunately, the Pro-Choice Caucus mutinied and Pelosi is running out of "maybes" to turn.
Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Joe Cao (LA-2, Republican), Jerry Costello (IL-12), Henry Cuellar (TX-28 ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1), Marcy Kaptur (OH-9), Dan Lipinski (IL-3). Cuellar is thought to be "leaning yes", but he's refusing to take the President's phone calls.
My take: Pelosi doesn't have the votes. They did a great job yesterday not letting the panic show. Many believed that something was going to be worked out, and I think something probably was...until the Pro-Choice Caucus put its foot down.
Update (11:44AM): Bill Owens will vote yes. (h/t William Amos.)
So Pelosi has 200. She needs 16. There are 17 maybes left.
Update (11:47AM): Baron Hill will vote yes. (h/t Guy Fawkes). Also, I missed Tim Bishop's announcement yesterday. He's a yes. (h/t Patrick Archibold)
So Pelosi has 202. She needs 14. There are 15 maybes left.
Reminder: it will get closer before this is over. Change your pants and tighten up those sphincters. She'll be closer than 210 before this is over. Doesn't matter if she doesn't get the 216th vote.
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Posted by: ParisParamus at March 20, 2010 07:36 AM (TFs5o)
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 20, 2010 07:37 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: Redriverted at March 20, 2010 07:38 AM (v/1e0)
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 20, 2010 07:39 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: Countrysquire at March 20, 2010 07:40 AM (aMdQJ)
Posted by: eman at March 20, 2010 07:41 AM (3fzoU)
Posted by: d at March 20, 2010 07:43 AM (uTknY)
If Stupak et al aren't dealing, seems to me that's the end for Pelosi. How could she or anyone else carve out any compromise between the Stupaks and the libtard baby killers?
Posted by: dulce at March 20, 2010 07:43 AM (HFdqI)
Posted by: PaleRider at March 20, 2010 07:43 AM (CLMXo)
It's like depending on a hog to perform surgery.
Posted by: Kensington at March 20, 2010 07:44 AM (aDdAT)
Posted by: d at March 20, 2010 07:45 AM (uTknY)
"Cuellar is thought to be "leaning yes"
I'd be drop dead surprised if Cuellar isn't a yes if it gets that close. One of his offices locked their doors yesterday so letters against HellCare couldn't be delivered.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 20, 2010 07:46 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: eman at March 20, 2010 07:46 AM (3fzoU)
Posted by: tmi3rd at March 20, 2010 07:46 AM (Zc/HY)
Posted by: Twinks at March 20, 2010 07:46 AM (wRPBa)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 20, 2010 07:47 AM (Mi2wf)
Representative Dan Lipinski an Illinois Democrat, said he is switching his vote to “no” because of concerns about abortion funding.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 07:47 AM (PXTi8)
Posted by: d at March 20, 2010 07:47 AM (uTknY)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 20, 2010 07:48 AM (erIg9)
Posted by: Patrick Archbold at March 20, 2010 07:48 AM (HM3ia)
Posted by: Sue at March 20, 2010 07:49 AM (YiSq/)
Posted by: Farmer Joe at March 20, 2010 07:49 AM (e8dsT)
In the famous words of the Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy...
DON'T PANIC!
It's not over until tomorrow. If that.
Posted by: HH at March 20, 2010 07:49 AM (1kwr2)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 20, 2010 07:49 AM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: mghorning at March 20, 2010 07:49 AM (79qFk)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 20, 2010 07:49 AM (zLhuq)
Posted by: shit slinger at March 20, 2010 07:50 AM (90oki)
Posted by: BrianA at March 20, 2010 07:51 AM (Ku5eO)
Posted by: alans at March 20, 2010 07:51 AM (frMli)
Pray hard this fails.
Posted by: Derak at March 20, 2010 07:52 AM (lemQ+)
Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 07:52 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: conscious and yelling fuck the democrats at March 20, 2010 07:53 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2010 07:53 AM (9Lm5R)
Nope, with "reconciliation" a tie is a loss.
Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 07:53 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: obamastillsuckscock at March 20, 2010 07:54 AM (1l2bp)
Posted by: Sparky at March 20, 2010 07:54 AM (r0u40)
Derak, the Stupak bloc, with the exception of Cuellar who is wavering, is "no."
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 20, 2010 07:54 AM (Mi2wf)
It should be interesting to see which dem makes it 215 and relieves themselves of the pressure that exponentially transfers the pressure to the rest.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 07:55 AM (ympF8)
Vic, can you explain this? How can it pass if there is a tie vote in the House?
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 20, 2010 07:55 AM (zLhuq)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2010 11:53 AM (9Lm5R)
I agree. It's digusting how a corrupt corporation is hijacking the image of such an honorable patriot.
Posted by: conscious and yelling fuck the democrats at March 20, 2010 07:55 AM (Vu6sl)
At the end of your post you said:
"Reminder: it will get closer before this is over. Change your pants and tighten up those sphincters. She'll be closer than 210 before this is over. Doesn't matter if she doesn't get 216 votes."
Why doesn't it matter if she does not get 216? It matters because the bill goes down. Why wouldn't that matter?
Great job.
Posted by: Gil at March 20, 2010 07:56 AM (b5Z5V)
The voting public knows this is a shit sandwich.
Democrats keep trying to dress it up as someting else.
November will be epic.
Posted by: John at March 20, 2010 07:56 AM (90oki)
Posted by: elliot m at March 20, 2010 07:56 AM (vff86)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 20, 2010 07:56 AM (zLhuq)
I know he had at least one staffer quit after his last health care vote. If he votes similarly, he may be left without a staff at all.
Posted by: maj at March 20, 2010 07:57 AM (dMRcI)
So if they lose at reconciliation, think they'd tack that monstrosity on as an amendment to a spending bill?
Posted by: spice at March 20, 2010 07:58 AM (76F4L)
Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 20, 2010 07:58 AM (tzcjs)
Posted by: Steve O at March 20, 2010 07:58 AM (UvKar)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 20, 2010 08:01 AM (cdZd+)
And this is a bad thing?
Posted by: pep at March 20, 2010 08:01 AM (0K3p3)
I thought it was a tie, and I did say a tie is a loss.
Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 08:02 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: mistress overdone at March 20, 2010 08:02 AM (2/oBD)
Posted by: Kem at March 20, 2010 08:02 AM (35Gz3)
Posted by: A. Texan at March 20, 2010 08:03 AM (BbBqc)
As of yesterday, the only Ohio Democrat to announce he would be voting no was Rep. Steve Driehaus of Cincinnati. Driehaus opposes abortion rights and doesn't think the final version of the bill has strong enough guarantees that federal funding won't be used to pay for abortion coverage.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 08:04 AM (PXTi8)
Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 20, 2010 08:04 AM (tzcjs)
So what, if I lose this, I will win on immigration. When I decide to serve a shit sandwich, I make sure it gets in your mouth.
Posted by: Barrack"chicken fucker"Obama at March 20, 2010 08:04 AM (90oki)
This is all getting to be too much. I understand how important all this is, but some of us need a break. I think we need an open blog.
Or, a good 5cent cigar.
Whichever.
Posted by: HH at March 20, 2010 08:04 AM (1kwr2)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 20, 2010 08:05 AM (Mi2wf)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 20, 2010 08:06 AM (QTv3W)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 08:06 AM (ympF8)
Or, a good 5cent cigar.
Whichever.
Posted by: HH at March 20, 2010 12:04 PM (1kwr2)
I'm "in" for that cigar!
Posted by: William Jefferson Clinton at March 20, 2010 08:06 AM (Vu6sl)
A rough and rowdy Rules Committee hearing just
recessed, but not before it had another great moment. Challenged by Rep.
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (D., Fla.) over Deem-and-Pass, Rep. Henry Waxman
(D., Calif.) responded, with not a little dissimulation: "We're not
going to deem the Senate bill passed.We're going to pass the Senate
bill. We're going to pass it by a vote in the House." (Editor's Note:
No, they won't.)
Wheels coming off the bus?
Posted by: Mal at March 20, 2010 08:06 AM (Z+qzA)
It'll be a more relaxing break after this is defeated. It is possibly the most important vote this country has seen n 100 years. Life changing, dude.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 20, 2010 08:07 AM (cdZd+)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2010 08:08 AM (9Lm5R)
I chatted with U.S. Rep. Marion Berry this morning. The tide of opinion (Catholic nuns and hospitals, etc.) that Senate health bill language on abortion doesnÂ’t liberalize government policy hasnÂ’t swayed Berry.
“If they don’t take the [anti-abortion] Stupak language, I cannot imagine being able to vote for the bill,” he still says
But Berry dropped a hint or two that an up-down vote on the legislation as now written isnÂ’t the only way this weekÂ’s drama will play out. And he called himself still undecided.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 08:08 AM (PXTi8)
Rep. Henry Cuellar of Laredo says he is still unsure how heÂ’ll cast his vote.
“I want to be sure there are no federal dollars going to be used on abortion,” Cuellar said. “I want to see health care, but I want to be dutiful on making a decision and continue talking to my constituents.”
Cuellar and the other congressmen said they are also concerned with how hospitals would be reimbursed for uninsured patients under the new law.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 08:10 AM (PXTi8)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 20, 2010 12:07 PM (cdZd+)
Agreed. The outcome of the vote tomorrow will be in the top 10 most important moments in American history as far as how it may impact this country.
Posted by: conscious and making phone calls and sending emails at March 20, 2010 08:11 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: lauraw at March 20, 2010 08:12 AM (LC36Q)
Whaa? Does that mean there's also going to be one of those Taiwan Parliament-style brawls?
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 08:13 AM (etgVC)
Which democrats are willing to kill more jobs, raise more taxes, break state budgets, and kill the economy? AND, as a bonus, lose there job in November?
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 20, 2010 08:13 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Gimli, Son of Glóin at March 20, 2010 08:14 AM (trlZM)
Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 20, 2010 08:14 AM (tzcjs)
I thought that recall stuff was finally put to bed with Ace's post:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/299440.php
You can't recall congress critters folks.
Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 08:14 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: jjshaka at March 20, 2010 08:14 AM (NMrpw)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor the Dúnadan at March 20, 2010 08:15 AM (Mi2wf)
Which thread? There's another one on Stupak with around 600 comments. They're going nucking futs.
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 08:15 AM (etgVC)
Democrats are torn. They hate Rush Limbaugh, they despise most Americans, and they are bleeding heart statist socialists with a hot burning desire to steal your income for the "greater good"... and they want to please Obama, the king.
they know it will suck and that people are pissed, don't want it and that it will kill jobs.
What to do.... what to do....
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 20, 2010 08:16 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Sue at March 20, 2010 08:16 AM (YiSq/)
10-4 on that. It's like Pelosi invoking the name of Blessed Joseph, protector of the unborn, in her quest to pass this filth.
Posted by: Pavel at March 20, 2010 08:16 AM (1jazK)
I don't think those #'s help him in todays dog, pony and slap around show.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 08:16 AM (ympF8)
Woops, I meant it's got around 300 comments, around 750 on the silly "poll."
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 08:16 AM (etgVC)
Am I wrong..? (Give me some freakin' hope here people)
Posted by: sunny black at March 20, 2010 08:17 AM (lFhqf)
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 20, 2010 08:17 AM (pcvK+)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at March 20, 2010 08:17 AM (uvySF)
NRO - The Corner
Posted by: notropis at March 20, 2010 08:18 AM (4myGJ)
Posted by: Trish's iPhone at March 20, 2010 08:18 AM (C4FWE)
Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 20, 2010 08:18 AM (tzcjs)
One of the key undecided members of Congress on health reform, U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D., Toledo), remained uncommitted yesterday but said she is "leaning" in favor of the bill after getting some personal attention from President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
"I am leaning toward voting for the bill if we can properly deal with the abortion issue and we are fast about that task," Miss Kaptur said.
A photograph taken yesterday shows both Mr. Obama and Mr. Reid (D., Nevada) with hands on Miss Kaptur's shoulders while they were all at a signing ceremony at the White House for a newly passed jobs bill, an unrelated measure.
"[The President] just greeted me, said hello. He gave me a kiss on the left cheek," Miss Kaptur said.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 08:19 AM (PXTi8)
What's really interesting to me is that he's gone down since the Bret Baier interview. Usually some mushheads drive his numbers up after his "bipartisan" public appearances, but not this time.
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 08:19 AM (etgVC)
Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 20, 2010 08:19 AM (tzcjs)
As of yesterday, the only Ohio Democrat to announce he would be voting no was Rep. Steve Driehaus of Cincinnati. Driehaus opposes abortion rights and doesn't think the final version of the bill has strong enough guarantees that federal funding won't be used to pay for abortion coverage.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 12:04 PM
Even though alot of Ohio is heavily Dem, they tend to be more moderate and even conservative on social issues. Throw in the lousy economy, the toal screw up with Strickland, and these Dems will have to pull alot of Independents to stay in office.
Posted by: Deanna at March 20, 2010 08:19 AM (JXlgX)
Life changing, dude.
I know that. But fixating on it every moment is crazy. Look at how panicked everyone was yesterday. And now look at how it's changed.
I, for one, need a break. The vote doesn't happen until tomorrow. If then.
Posted by: HH at March 20, 2010 08:19 AM (1kwr2)
Only the ones with integrity. All three of them are already against this crap sandwich. Unfortunately, none of them are Congressmen.
Posted by: Pavel at March 20, 2010 08:19 AM (1jazK)
Seems like a valid point...
Posted by: John at March 20, 2010 08:20 AM (Dbrly)
They've probably got a few. But who cares? heeeheehee, I'm just glad to see their heads exploding.
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 08:20 AM (etgVC)
Who Chairman Obama? Since when is that part of his executive powers?
Posted by: Mal at March 20, 2010 08:20 AM (Z+qzA)
And this is a bad thing?
Posted by: pep at March 20, 2010 12:01 PM (0K3p3)
indeed, the dems need to own this lock, stock, and barrel. all of it.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 20, 2010 08:21 AM (erIg9)
Posted by: weePee Herman at March 20, 2010 08:21 AM (+EVYT)
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 20, 2010 08:21 AM (pcvK+)
Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2010 08:22 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: 8starsnorth at March 20, 2010 08:22 AM (IqMA6)
Posted by: alans at March 20, 2010 08:22 AM (frMli)
U.S. Rep. Jerry Costello, D-Belleville, was still on record as of Thursday that he will vote no on the Senate version of the health care reform bill the House is set to vote on this weekend.
But observers familiar with Costello and congressional deal-making said his opposition likely stems from an effort to wring concessions from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President Barack Obama.
These observers expressed confidence that Costello will ultimately vote yes on a measure that has become the No. 1 issue for his party's top leaders.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 08:22 AM (PXTi8)
I, for one, need a break. The vote doesn't happen until tomorrow. If then.
Me too. I've been drunk since Wednesday, I see no reason to sober up until tomorrow afternoon.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 20, 2010 08:23 AM (+2v1H)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 20, 2010 08:24 AM (5I0Yr)
"[The President] just greeted me, said hello. He gave me a kiss on the left cheek," Miss Kaptur said.
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Eewww...Kaptur will not win re-election if she votes for this thing. They must be offering her some deal or job.
Posted by: Deanna at March 20, 2010 08:24 AM (JXlgX)
Totally OT, but in yesterday's headlines, there was an article about a young blogger whose husband died over in Afghanistan. They have a brand new baby, and the wife had just started a sock drive to send new socks over to the troops in Afghanistan.
They have a fund set up for their daughter in lieu of flowers, if anyone is interested in honoring this Marine's life. He had just turned 26, and his wife is only 23. It's just so sad; we sometimes forget how young all of the kids are who are defending this great country of ours.
Here's a link to her blog, with information about where to send donations for their daughter, as well as information about "Semper Socks":
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 20, 2010 08:24 AM (pe6fn)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 20, 2010 08:25 AM (trjej)
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Fighting the Fight, for the Whole World to Save...
We the People Will Ceaselessly Strive...
To Keep Our Great Revolution Alive!
Unfurl the Banners! Look at the Screen!
Never Before Has Such Glory Been Seen!
Oceania! Oceania! Oceania, 'tis for Thee!
Every Deed, Every Thought, 'tis for Thee (x3)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 20, 2010 08:25 AM (SHKl9)
NRO - The Corner
I was about to point that out. They wouldn't still be doing this is if they were confident.
Posted by: pep at March 20, 2010 08:26 AM (0K3p3)
"[The President] just greeted me, said hello. He gave me a kiss on the left cheek," Miss Kaptur said.
My WORD - democrats are weak.
ooooh the president kissed me - now I have to vote for it.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 20, 2010 08:27 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Jim R. at March 20, 2010 08:28 AM (PryBp)
Posted by: random at March 20, 2010 08:29 AM (hoLvU)
There are whispers that the Majority are working an executive order with Stupak-like language in an attempt to pacify pro-life Democrats."
But then, don't the pro-abortion fems bolt?
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 20, 2010 08:31 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 20, 2010 08:31 AM (ucq49)
Why not? They've spoke out against it more than once over the past few months.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 20, 2010 08:31 AM (SHKl9)
Staff from her office will be available to take calls this weekend. The hours are noon to 6 p.m. on Saturday and 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. on Sunday.
The number is (419) 259-7500 or toll free at 1-800-964-4699.
Posted by: Deanna at March 20, 2010 08:32 AM (JXlgX)
That rift opened up a few weeks ago. Damned obstructionist Republicans are tearing this country apart!11!!!
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 08:32 AM (etgVC)
Just in case, make sure your singing abilities are up to snuff after Sunday.
No, no, no. It goes like this.
Posted by: rdbrewer at March 20, 2010 08:34 AM (CQs7v)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 08:34 AM (ympF8)
Posted by: skwiself at March 20, 2010 08:36 AM (mFUln)
I don't think an Obama executive order saying no funds can be used for abortion would hold up in court. Such a move will just create an open and shut case for any plaintiff to sue the President. The court will read the law. The Senate Bill won't have restrictions on prohibiting funds for abortion. Plaintiff wins. Funds flow.
Posted by: wtfci at March 20, 2010 08:37 AM (EbpbH)
Eewww...Kaptur will not win re-election if she votes for this thing. They must be offering her some deal or job.
Posted by: Deanna at March 20, 2010 12:24 PM (JXlgX)
at this point, I just assume that all yes votes are getting some kind of backroom concession of some kind.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 20, 2010 08:38 AM (erIg9)
Kill this zombieCarebill once and for all!!!! I thought it was dead last summer. I thought it was dead when Scott Brown won. I thought it was dead when the hard pivot was going to be JOBS. Just leave us alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Boots at March 20, 2010 08:38 AM (06JTY)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 12:34 PM (ympF
I live in Utah and sent him an email yesterday. I told him that I will contribute to his opposition, campaign against him, and that I consider the appointment by Obama of his brother to be a judge a political bribe.
Posted by: conscious and making phone calls and sending emails at March 20, 2010 08:40 AM (Vu6sl)
Pelosi: 'No Separate Votes' [Robert Costa]
Pelosi says there will be no separate votes on abortion, and that she will have votes for passage when she comes to the floor.
UPDATE: Reps. Driehaus (D., Ohio) and Dahlkemper (D., Penn.), two Stu-Packers, just went into Pelosi's office. Of the meeting, Dahlkemper says "we're still working on it."
03/20 12:30 PM
Posted by: Slappy at March 20, 2010 08:41 AM (ljvjO)
Stupak's group are still meeting with princess Nancy McSocialist
Pelosi says there will be no separate votes on abortion, and that she will have votes for passage when she comes to the floor.
UPDATE: Reps. Driehaus (D., Ohio) and Dahlkemper (D., Penn.), two Stu-Packers, just went into Pelosi's office. Of the meeting, Dahlkemper says "we're still working on it."
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 20, 2010 08:42 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: skwiself at March 20, 2010 12:36 PM (mFUln)
This bill is certainly red, and in more ways than one. You see what I did there?
Posted by: Phil at March 20, 2010 08:43 AM (tOzKE)
Was that cheek above or below the waist?
Posted by: weePee Herman at March 20, 2010 08:43 AM (+EVYT)
Posted by: Hume at March 20, 2010 08:48 AM (2ybvr)
Posted by: mrkwong at March 20, 2010 08:49 AM (G8Eo0)
I wish cotton was a monkey! Little Rascals rule!
I think a prayer or two would be in order!
Posted by: Kemp at March 20, 2010 08:50 AM (Z7Umj)
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 08:51 AM (593B8)
Jeff Goldstein nails it with this. http://tinyurl.com/yb7walp
Do">Do'>Do not count on the Supreme Court, this must be stopped now. And if not, and "deem and pass" gets this mess through, then by immediate civil disobedience.
Posted by: Joe at March 20, 2010 08:52 AM (0Gde6)
http://tinyurl.com/yb7walp Jeff Goldstein nails it with this.
This needs to be stopped. It is not exaggeration to say the country is in peril.
Posted by: Joe at March 20, 2010 08:53 AM (0Gde6)
I've heard they are going to be voting on Palm sunday, which is next sunday. I think that is odd and had assumed the person looked at the calendar wrong but, if they don't vote this sunday, it then becomes a distinct possibility.
I don't think people want this dog and pony show much longer.
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 08:54 AM (p302b)
One of Iowa's three Democratic congressmen said he hasnÂ’t decided whether to vote for or against the health care reform bill.
Rep. Bruce Braley said, “It's one of the most important votes I will ever take in my life and that's why I'm spending a lot of time trying to make the right decision.”
Posted by: William Amos at March 20, 2010 08:54 AM (PXTi8)
Their bong water-soaked brains haven't jump-started yet. Give 'em a few hours.
Posted by: Vile Roman at March 20, 2010 08:55 AM (iBzKc)
Their bong water-soaked brains haven't jump-started yet. Give 'em a few hours.
Posted by: Vile Roman at March 20, 2010 12:55 PM (iBzKc)"
they got their marching orders from "the campaign"....to go out there and talk to friends, email, protest, call their congress critters, call the call in radio shows...so they are doing it and don't have time to post to the board.
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 08:57 AM (p302b)
Kinda sounds like a yes, but he wants more crap in the bill.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 08:58 AM (593B8)
The Democrats have no decency and are succeeding in turning this country into a banana republic. To me, this descent accelerated in 2000 when they made a mockery of our election process by portraying the process and the winning candidate as illegitimate to the country and the rest of the world. Every close election since then in which the results were close has resulted in them finding and manufacturing votes, which has hurt everyone's belief in the true results of close elections. It's certainly hurt our country's moral standing to the point where our system looks corrupt and the country no longer look like the beacon of democracy. The way the Democrats are trying to pass this health care bill, with the payoffs and manipulations, is perhaps the most egregious example of their unethical win-at-all-costs mentality, which is destroying the country. It makes me sick to my stomach what they've done -- and what they plan to do -- to this country.
Posted by: Slappy at March 20, 2010 08:58 AM (ljvjO)
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 08:59 AM (p302b)
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 08:59 AM (593B8)
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Yeah, I've been following FDL occasionally for the anti- view from the left-progressive viewpoint. I just think it's funny that their best efforts can be used in our favor.
Posted by: random at March 20, 2010 09:00 AM (hoLvU)
I shit you not, that is the actual title of this NY Times op ed.
http://tinyurl.com/yeno3cu
Apparently he's been slaying even dragons like Fox News' Bret Baier so his approval ratings have taken a tumble but he's holding up remarkably well!
So well he's at his lowest approval rating ever in Rasmussen today - 43 percent approve, 56 disapprove.
I think I'm going to start calling him Super Barry from now on.
Posted by: Phil at March 20, 2010 09:01 AM (tOzKE)
I think he's worth a few phone calls and can be persuaded to stay a "No."
It helps if you speak with a heavy Southside Virginia or East Tennessee accent.
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Posted by: fiatboomer at March 20, 2010 09:02 AM (0Wf6c)
Interesting note about the Ras numbers: His approval is at 43%, matching his lowest.
His abyss index is now -1.
23% SA-44% SD
43%A-56%D
Posted by: AmishDude at March 20, 2010 09:04 AM (Vo2Ef)
Libtards suck, swirl it around in their mouths, put it in their eyes, cover their face with it, wipe it off with their hands back into their mouths, then swallow.
There is no honor among theives.
Posted by: gus at March 20, 2010 01:01 PM (Vqruj)
FTFY.
Posted by: Editor at March 20, 2010 09:05 AM (YX6i/)
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 09:06 AM (p302b)
Slaughter just said that "when the rule is written". They don't have a rule yet? Sweet. - Posted by: Sue at March 20, 2010 11:49 AM (YiSq/)
So all of this talk about the Slaughter Rule was just talk? That's just dandy....
As far as BamBam drafting an E.O. concerning abortion: 1) Hell would freeze over before he would sign anything restricting abortions and/or funding in any way shape or form; 2) If Hell froze over, I would for damn sure get it in writing AND SIGNED before switching my vote; and 3) What's to say that Barry wouldn't just sign an E.O. after the vote rescinding the first E.O.?
I wouldn't trust any deal made by this crew regarding abortion restrictions.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 20, 2010 09:06 AM (pe6fn)
If Obama does an Executive Order it will be to clarify that the Hyde Amendment applies. Well, we already knew that.
They're screeching over at Kos. A sample:
@Obama if Stupak wins you #fail
If you stab the women of the United States in the back, I'll never:
forgive you support you again support anyone who calls themselves a "Democrat" againYour choice.
Get a backbone and make the right decision.
Another:
Obama's clear inability to engage in the rough-and-tumble of governance at the national level, as opposed to the pretty-boy showtime of giving speeches in front of adoring audiences.
He's not campaigning any more.
As he seems to have forgotten, he won.
It's way past time for him to roll his sleeves up and get dirty.
Or is he afraid to?
And if he's afraid (as I think he is) what is he afraid of, exactly?
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 09:07 AM (etgVC)
Posted by: greg at March 20, 2010 09:07 AM (X42OH)
My heart is heavy, but it's a glorious day in Savannah. I prayed first thing this morning. I'm going to put the top down on my car and go recycle and run my other errands. God bless the USA.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2010 09:08 AM (UOM48)
What if they try this shenanigans?:
1) Twist enough arms that a deem-and-pass can get 216+ votes.
2) Pass it, which by definition (theoretically) passes both the Senate bill that was passed on Christmas Eve, and a "fixes" package that would then be sent to the Senate.
3) Granny Rictus McBotox stuffs the "fixes" package in her handbag and promptly forgets about it.
4) Granny Rictus sends the Senate bill to Teh Won, because it did "pass the House."
5) He signs a bill that passed the Senate on 12-24, and "passed the House" on 3-21.
6) Forget that "fixes" package, it's not needed anymore.
Posted by: random at March 20, 2010 09:09 AM (hoLvU)
They can be bought or bullied, and they probably will be.
Posted by: mrkwong at March 20, 2010 09:10 AM (G8Eo0)
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 12:59 PM (593B
The Hill has a pretty good run-down here.
Posted by: Peaches at March 20, 2010 09:11 AM (9Wv2j)
Theodan! Ride!
Posted by: wtfci at March 20, 2010 12:51 PM (EbpbH)
**********
I heard something yesterday, trying to remember where, that made me think Rahall was already lost.
Posted by: notropis at March 20, 2010 09:11 AM (4myGJ)
I shit you not, that is the actual title of this NY Times op ed.
When I clicked and saw it was the aptly-named Charles Blow, I wasn't surprised. That guy is the biggest ass-trumpet I've ever seen.
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 09:11 AM (etgVC)
I never thought they were going to do anything else. She will make noise with the 'Fixes' and play the weak sister act. Unable to make headway she will as you say toss it into the trash with lots of crocodile tears.
I suspect most of those who eventually vote for it kinda know she isn't serious as well.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 09:13 AM (593B8)
Posted by: Lone Marauder at March 20, 2010 09:14 AM (p1iaB)
Posted by: Ellie Light at March 20, 2010 09:14 AM (5w5BF)
Thanks! I suspect some of them are just hiding in the tall grass until the vote is floored.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 09:15 AM (593B8)
Thanks for the count Gabe, really appreciate it.
It's going down to the wire, and it's going to be really close, but I still don't think the votes are going the bitch's way. So far, so good.
Posted by: unknown jane at March 20, 2010 09:15 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: rdbrewer at March 20, 2010 09:15 AM (CQs7v)
Folks we do have a chance if they actually vote the way they have indicated.
As for the Kos idiots, the Obama already lost them. Unbelievably the Kos-tards who are full scope communist don't like Obama because he did immediately cut and run from all of the Mid-East.
Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 09:16 AM (QrA9E)
I shit you not, that is the actual title of this NY Times op ed.
When I clicked and saw it was the aptly-named Charles Blow, I wasn't surprised. That guy is the biggest ass-trumpet I've ever seen.
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 01:11 PM (etgVC)
Yeah he's the Blow article, "Could Obama Be Invincible?", this time with the hyperlink (I think, never actually posted a hyperlink on here before)
http://tinyurl.com/yeno3cu
Well worth a read to show you how delusional these people are. And ironically posted on the day Super Barry reaches his lowest approval rating ever on evil Hitler McRasmussen.
Posted by: Phil at March 20, 2010 09:17 AM (tOzKE)
Come put your ear up to my asshole and I'll let you know just how much I care about the Intrade factor.
Posted by: Vile Roman at March 20, 2010 09:17 AM (iBzKc)
http://bit.ly/9ESUp9
Posted by: AHFF Geoff at March 20, 2010 09:17 AM (5r0Tz)
I saw this comment at Riehl World View and I think it is good advice:
It may be a moot point. FDL's latest whip count is 214 no to 208 yes, 215 if the last undecided member of Stupak's bloc, Kathy Dalkemper, goes no (as will certainly happen now), meaning we have 1 just more no vote to KILL THE BILL.
Here are the final true undecideds:
Zack Space
Earl Pomeroy
Solomon Ortiz
Mike Michaud
Bill Foster
GET ON THE PHONES NOW!
Any two of these six mean we win
Posted by: Joe at March 20, 2010 09:19 AM (0Gde6)
10,000 new IRS agents to enforce this are "jobs". Silly racist wingnuts!
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 20, 2010 09:20 AM (FoPK8)
Posted by: AHFF Geoff at March 20, 2010 09:21 AM (5r0Tz)
Posted by: Ellie Light at March 20, 2010 01:14 PM (5w5BF)
Ahhh, I love the smell of Snark in the morning. Smells like... BACON!
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 20, 2010 09:21 AM (+2v1H)
Do you honestly believe that if this pile of elected criminals doesn't get the vote, that they're just going to give up?
They've been trying to get this done since FDR for fuck's sake.
This health care shit is the movie equivalent of Jason. He ain't ever dead, and even if you leave his ass face down in the lake, two weeks later, he's back kicking in your front door.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 20, 2010 09:22 AM (erIg9)
This morning's Savannah fish wrap had an article as to why John Barrow voted "no" on Hellcare. He claims among his reasons was it would harm small business. Heh. At least two of the Republicans running against him in the next election have small business experience and are strong fiscal conservatives.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2010 09:23 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Gerry at March 20, 2010 12:14 PM (Xh4uC)
The whole saying is "Praise the Lord...and pass the ammunition."
Just sayin.
Posted by: Rat Patrol at March 20, 2010 09:24 AM (dQdrY)
Perhaps you missed this news as well?
WORLD reports First Man Lands On Moon.
Posted by: Barbarian at March 20, 2010 09:24 AM (EL+OC)
the country is in a damn uproar over this--or at least the ones that are politically active. do you think the Senate wants to re-visit this? they want it either passed & no fixes coming back to them to go thru this nightmare again or they want it dead.
the Senate will never ever take this issue up again in this election year. mark my words.
Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 20, 2010 09:25 AM (Oan2w)
Thanks for all your hard work, Gabe. We'll have our fingers crossed that this Constitutional crisis will at least be reduce by Sunday evening.
I get the distinct feeling that even if this bill is defeated, we're not safe.
Perhaps several shots of Valu-Rite will take that feeling away...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 20, 2010 09:25 AM (i3AsK)
They can be bought or bullied, and they probably will be."
Agreed 100%. Democrats will always place party politics before moral considerations.
Posted by: TJP at March 20, 2010 09:25 AM (JFFb4)
I'm out to get some sunshine and fresh air and put a little color in my cheeks. I'm really trying to stay positive.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2010 09:26 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 20, 2010 09:26 AM (Oan2w)
Posted by: Ben Woods at March 20, 2010 09:27 AM (6S5Mz)
Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 20, 2010 09:27 AM (Oan2w)
No but, they managed to have a fooking Canookian flag flying in the picture continually. Imbeciles.
Posted by: Barbarian at March 20, 2010 09:27 AM (EL+OC)
They can be bought or bullied, and they probably will be."
Agree, which is why a little phone-melting is in order. They might as well know that Nancy isn't the only one with carrots and sticks in this game.
Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 09:27 AM (etgVC)
If you're a Dem in a reddish district, betraying Pelosi/Obama is the best move you could possibly make in terms of reelection and gaining some measure of favor with the new incoming Republican congressional leadership. Committee assignments matter.
Anyone who plays that betrayal game is guaranteed significant media attention (i.e. free advertising) in an election year.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 20, 2010 09:28 AM (FoPK8)
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 09:28 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Dan at March 20, 2010 09:28 AM (1jzSs)
Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 20, 2010 09:28 AM (Oan2w)
"an E.O. concerning abortion"
Even if signed, it will be over turned when the GOP Pres is inaugerated in 2013; with a simple stroke of a pen.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 20, 2010 09:29 AM (ucq49)
Yeah, Barone is sharp as a tack. But I don't know about his prognostication abilities. Let's hope they're as acute as his general political knowledge.
Posted by: Vile Roman at March 20, 2010 09:29 AM (iBzKc)
Posted by: Donna at March 20, 2010 09:30 AM (6heFO)
Posted by: Ben Woods at March 20, 2010 09:31 AM (6S5Mz)
Posted by: Andy Rand at March 20, 2010 01:14 PM (mhD2v)"
what does that indicate ?- for us non-intrade morons
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 20, 2010 09:31 AM (QTv3W)
"I'm hoping for a small handful of "sleepers" in Pelosi's supposedly solid yes column that plan on sticking a fork in her eye. "
I think you can count on one or two. When it vote time, nothing like actually facing the gallows for crystallizing one's mind.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 20, 2010 09:32 AM (ucq49)
Anyone who plays that betrayal game is guaranteed significant media attention (i.e. free advertising) in an election year.
THAT'S what I'm talking about! The R's need to be arm-twisting and cutting deals, too. The writing is on the wall for the dems, and the survival instinct in rats is very high.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 20, 2010 09:32 AM (+2v1H)
Posted by: Vile Roman at March 20, 2010 01:29 PM (iBzKc)
Barone is legitimately the top prognosticator. He knows everything about every district. It's scary.
Posted by: Phil at March 20, 2010 09:33 AM (tOzKE)
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 09:33 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Donna at March 20, 2010 09:34 AM (6heFO)
Cardoza and DeFazio [Daniel Foster]
Two rumblings from around the Hill.
Byron York reports that Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D., Calif.) says he won't vote for a "Deem & Pass" rule. He wants a straight-up vote on the bill.
Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.) says the Medicare payments disparity issue that held back Rep. Pete DeFazio (D., Ore.) and others from supporting the bill has been resolved.
NRO
Posted by: Rosley at March 20, 2010 09:34 AM (cR2MJ)
Alcee Hastings-"There ain't no rules here, we're trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make 'em up as we go along."
They really should change the name of their party.
Posted by: Mal at March 20, 2010 09:35 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: unknown jane at March 20, 2010 09:35 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Donna at March 20, 2010 09:35 AM (6heFO)
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 09:37 AM (593B8)
Posted by: sherlock at March 20, 2010 09:38 AM (ktKOD)
Posted by: Mr. Steamy, the revolutionary new dryer ball at March 20, 2010 09:38 AM (gbCNS)
233 @ 224 Michael Barone is certainly starting to think Obamacare will be stopped. That guy knows his stuff too.
Yeah, Barone is sharp as a tack. But I don't know about his prognostication abilities. Let's hope they're as acute as his general political knowledge.
That's funny. Dick Morris has a shit ton of general political knowledge but his prognostication skills are just a ton of shit.
239 Barone is legitimately the top prognosticator. He knows everything about every district. It's scary.
Good to know, hope you (and he) are right.
Posted by: random at March 20, 2010 09:38 AM (hoLvU)
Posted by: Donna at March 20, 2010 09:40 AM (6heFO)
Margery Margolis "I am your worst case scenario and I'd do it all again". She voted for the Clinton budget 18 years ago and then she lost her seat. So, says monica, they have sent her out there. Wow, they are saying she "voted her conscience" and Monica is saying "no she didn't, she did it because bill clinton held a gun to her head and then her district turned her immediately out".
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 09:40 AM (p302b)
Posted by: unknown jane at March 20, 2010 09:41 AM (5/yRG)
230 Monica Crowley is on fire today.
Where is the Guy Who Shouts "en fuego!"? Is he protesting on the Hill today?
Posted by: Nicole at March 20, 2010 09:42 AM (CH1cF)
Posted by: Donna at March 20, 2010 01:40 PM (6heFO)"
Funny Monica Crowley just said that "he is out there twisting arms so tight that it violates the Geneva Convention"
I love her analogies....she says "this is an entitlement and entitlements are narcotics"
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 09:42 AM (p302b)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:42 AM (7xEKW)
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Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:45 AM (7xEKW)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:47 AM (7xEKW)
dagny,
O/T, but I recall a while back you said your son was considering OU for school? I went there (graduated fairly recently) so feel free to ask me anything if need be.
Posted by: Nicole at March 20, 2010 09:47 AM (CH1cF)
215 People, don't get all excited if this weekend passes, and this thing doesn't get the votes.
Do you honestly believe that if this pile of elected criminals doesn't get the vote, that they're just going to give up?
They've been trying to get this done since FDR for fuck's sake.
In the long view, you're absolutely right. In the short view, we have to hold off HCR/Immigration/Universal Registration/Card Check/Cap and Tax/Bank "Reform"/Stimulus II/Whatever until November 2010, then January 2011.
We stop those, we get a breather for two years where our biggest concerns are RINOs.
Hopefully, this last 15 months will force BOTH parties to the right. I'm a conservative, not a Republican, like many on here.
Posted by: random at March 20, 2010 09:48 AM (hoLvU)
Posted by: exceller at March 20, 2010 09:49 AM (Z7Znk)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:50 AM (7xEKW)
What I find is the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" attitude. They know the talking points, they've gotten twelve emails this week alone with all kinds of instructions and with all kinds of things to do to remind their reps and their friends and neighbors that BO's presidency depends on this and that "we want this". yet, when you can argue with them long enough to get passed the talking points, they are empty shells, they don't know or refuse to acknowledge that you have given them a fact that does not jive with their small view of the situation. They then resort to name calling and saying you are brainwashed or a bigot.
Their main thing, that they keep repeating is that "we have to do this for ba rock, for his presidency to matter, we can't let him down." In the absence of a good debate, how does one deal with that kind of blind adulation.
Posted by: curious at March 20, 2010 09:50 AM (p302b)
Just walk away.
Posted by: Mal at March 20, 2010 09:52 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:53 AM (7xEKW)
Oops, I said this
I'm a conservative, not a Republican, like many on here.
When I meant this
Like many on here, I'm a conservative, not a Republican.
Funny how the same words in different order can have opposite meanings.
Posted by: random at March 20, 2010 09:54 AM (hoLvU)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:55 AM (7xEKW)
Posted by: Billy Sims at March 20, 2010 01:51 PM (eMjOY)
Don't get too excited--it was Ohio University, lol.
Posted by: Nicole at March 20, 2010 09:55 AM (CH1cF)
257 Maybe it will just come down to who they are most afraid of.
Well, Congresscreeps, Lord Obama himself says people like us are dangerous. Hey, the stopped clock gets one right - we are going to be dangerous as all hell to Democrats and RINOs in the next election, because unlike much of the electorate, we have a memory like a fucking enraged bull elephant. Granted, we often lack his sunny disposition.
Posted by: sherlock at March 20, 2010 09:56 AM (ktKOD)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 09:57 AM (7xEKW)
You know I am told that if you speak the devils name he may show up.
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Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 10:48 AM (QrA9E)
Sorry if this has already been posted...
Just called Tierney's offfice and receptionist says he's voting YES.
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Posted by: mistress overdone at March 20, 2010 01:36 PM (2/oBD)
Indianapolis local radio reporting DONNELLY is a YES.
Posted by: Timbo at March 20, 2010 05:41 PM (7GgDy)
Donnelly flipped.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 20, 2010 01:46 PM (593B8)
Where did they get their info, they didn't have any, they based their projected results on their faith in Obama's charisma magic.
Posted by: Gary B at March 20, 2010 01:59 PM (1gWfF)
Fox has been touting the fait accompli for the past few hours, even noting that Republicans are beginning to congratulate Democrats. I feel a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. Intrade is now up to 87%, so perhaps it *is* a fait accompli.
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Victory?
Posted by: Bruce The Robert at March 20, 2010 07:36 AM (FDomG)