August 17, 2010

White House: July 2011 Afghanistan Withdrawal "Not-Negotiable"
— DrewM

On Sunday, Gen. Petraeus downplayed the significance of the July, 2011 drawdown date for Afghanistan.

“I don't find it that stifling,” he said. “I'm not bowed over by, you know, the knowledge that July 2011 is out there. In fact the president has been very clear, Vice President [Joe] Biden has been very clear as well more recently that this is a date when a process begins, that is conditions-based. And as the conditions permit, we transition tasks to our Afghan counterparts and the security forces and in various governmental institutions, and that enables a quote ‘responsible’ drawdown of our forces.”

...Petraeus said the president told him in the Oval Office that he wants his “best professional military advice,” adding that it’s too premature to assess what that might be a year from now. “The president has been quite clear in explaining that it's a process, not an event, and that it's conditioned-based,” he added.

That must have been to clear of a statement for this administration to take, so they promptly tried to muddy the water up again.

But White House spokesman Bill Burton, speaking to reporters traveling on Obama's plane to Milwaukee, said the general's remarks had been taken out of context.

"I think that that is a very thinly sliced parsing of what he had to say. He said very specifically that that deadline stands and there is no daylight between the president or his commanders on the ground when it comes to July 2011," Burton said.

"As you saw with Iraq, when the president makes a commitment, he keeps it. And he intends to do that here as well," he said.

"Obviously the scope and rate of withdrawal will be conditions-based, but the date is not negotiable," Burton added.

What the hell does that mean? You can't have it both ways. If conditions dictate that the"scope and rate" of the withdrawal be none, then the date has no meaning. If the the date means "people are leaving no matter what's going, it's just a question of how many and how fast" then talk of "conditions" is meaningless.

This isn't an issuing of "parsing" words, it is what happens when you try to manage a war looking at a political calendar.

The first big date on that calendar is this year's midterms. Obama can't depress an already battered leftwing by saying his "date" is meaningless, even if its very existence makes it harder to accomplish anything by then.

The second date on the calendar (and the one that really counts) is November 2012. Obama wants to have something concrete to show to Democrats and nervous independents that we are on a glide path out of the 10 plus year fight in Afghanistan.

Obama's big problem is whether or not Petraeus plays ball. If the general says a little more time will produce big results, Obama will have to keep triangulating...saying he's pulling out, while appearing to give Petraeus (whom many Americans view as a military savior) what he asks for. Either that or he will publicly smack Petraeus down (very politely) and say, "Sorry Dave, I gave you everything you asked for and you and the boys gave it your best shot but as the Commander in Chief, I'm making the call to withdraw. Thank you for your service. Hey, who is up for Hope and Change, Round II?"

It's a hell of a way to run a war.

Oh and as for the "As you saw with Iraq, when the president makes a commitment, he keeps it" bit? Screw you Obama. You inherited all of that (time lines and everything) from Bush. Now you guys are to demure to talk about Bush? Punks.

Via Gabe.

Posted by: DrewM at 09:01 AM | Comments (48)
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1 Punks.

Street slang for prison rape victims.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson at August 17, 2010 09:04 AM (mAm+G)

2 Oh, and first.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at August 17, 2010 09:05 AM (mAm+G)

3

You can have it your own way if its done just how they say.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at August 17, 2010 09:08 AM (pr+up)

4 New American Motto: Cut & Run

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2010 09:08 AM (0GFWk)

5 Yeah General Patraeus aren't you glad you went out and blamed Bush?

Bury had your back on it....with a bullseye painted right in the middle.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 09:09 AM (kq1lG)

6

The Won has put himself in a bad position; he can't releive Petraeous, ooops, Betray Us, or he immediately assumes 100% of the failure. Yes, I know, just another failure.

Does LBJ ring a bell? Anyone?

Posted by: serfer62 at August 17, 2010 09:10 AM (HLCnI)

7 4 nevergiveup,

not new just dusted off from 1993.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 09:10 AM (kq1lG)

8 Now may we impeach him? Having Americans die for nothing sure sounds like a high crime.

Posted by: eman at August 17, 2010 09:12 AM (Nw/hR)

9 Let's see:
1 Pronounce number one goal as President is defending Islam
2 Support Al Qaeda 9/11 Victory mosque
3 Cut and Run from Afghanistan after 6 months of constant GOP subpeonas from the House

How does that end well?

Posted by: Methos at August 17, 2010 09:12 AM (0hIYk)

10 Stop the nation building!!

Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at August 17, 2010 09:13 AM (pr+up)

11 Ebola is going to send some Vietnamese folks to Afghanistan for a cool photo op on the Big Day.

Posted by: eman at August 17, 2010 09:13 AM (Nw/hR)

12

51% disapproval in Gallup now.

hes crossed over the midway point.

still at 42% approval

It would be FANTASTIC to see him in the 30s by Labor Day. We are talking 1946 territory for the elections.

Posted by: CAC at August 17, 2010 09:13 AM (lV4Fs)

13

We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

Until six months is up.  Then, dude, we're outta here.

Posted by: B. Hussein Churchill at August 17, 2010 09:14 AM (QKKT0)

14 not new just dusted off from 1993. Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 01:10 PM (kq1lG) Well what were the dates we sciddadeled from Vietnam by holding onto the skates on those choppers or when we cut and ran from Lebanon after our troops got blown up?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2010 09:15 AM (0GFWk)

15 Heh. Per Rush EE is equating the fringe Victory Mosque supporters with Birthers.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at August 17, 2010 09:17 AM (w9BEi)

16

Dear Lord, we have now degraded to the point where we are honeslty attempting to fight a war, and somehow not offend anyone in the process.

Boggles the mind.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at August 17, 2010 09:18 AM (e8T35)

17 "I don't like the word victory.  It conjures up this negative image of Emporer Hirohito surrendering on that boat..."

Posted by: Precedent OBlowMe at August 17, 2010 09:20 AM (CfmlF)

18

You a bunch of bible thumping, jingoist...NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!!

 

Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at August 17, 2010 09:23 AM (pr+up)

19 14 nevergiveup,

75, 83...

of course you could add in  Iran as well....

warring where there is a lack of will to do so in the poulace is dumb....

the problem I have with "President Patton" is that he is having it both ways....in order to not be seen for the pussy he most assuredly is he tried the Iraq baabaad I am tougher than shit on 'ghani the good war gambit....

and it worked somewhat.

Remember when he said he'd get Bin Laden within a year of getting into office?

yeah neither does he....that was one of his first backtracks....then it was "it is no longer necessary to kill bin laden".

President Pershing is just doing what he can to protect his homies....

you know the Taliban he took off the State department terror list?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 09:24 AM (kq1lG)

20
Ending the southern rebellion by July 1864 is not negotiable.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at August 17, 2010 09:27 AM (VrNoa)

21

Obozo has hit on a policy that could not be more perfectly stupid.  He's instantly demoralized our troops, who now know that they're just marking time as their buddies are being picked off, and he's heartened our enemies, who know that they only need to hunker down and wait for us to leave.  The irony is that he's left himself an out to do the right thing by deciding that conditions" warrant staying and fighting, but he has thrown away the value of that by advertising his intention to tuck tail and run.

A smart tactician who intended to bug out would never advertise it in advance; he'd do exactly the opposite by broadcasting his intention to fight to the end with some Churchillian-style rhetoric.  With some luck, the effect of such an public position in demoralizing the enemy and encouraging the troops would be enough to produce a result where he could leave on the appointed date with at least some semblance of order and honor.

This can't happen now because Obozo puts placating his leftard base above the safety of the troops and the achievement of a positive result for all of their sacrifice.  It's a perfect example of the priorities of this turd we have as a president.  He's willing to spit on the efforts of our troops to throw a bone to the stupid fucks on the left today.

Posted by: Cicero at August 17, 2010 09:28 AM (QKKT0)

22
Defeating the Nazis and the Japanese by July 1944 is not negotiable.

Posted by: Franklin Roosevelt at August 17, 2010 09:28 AM (VrNoa)

23

I can't believe they would think telegraphing our intentions would be helpful.

But what do I know?  Obama is a very smart man.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 17, 2010 09:30 AM (VNdDa)

24 "Let me be clear......"

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 17, 2010 09:30 AM (usjNq)

25
This encourages our enemies, discourages our troops and our allies, gives the Afghans every reason to bug out. It pisses off his detractors because it declares that we have no intention of winning the war; but it also pisses off his base, because it commits us to at least another year of combat. It loses everything while gaining him nothing - not even a political advantage.

This is a perfect storm of stupidity. Talk about sporting with men's lives!

Expect more "clarifications" to be coming out shortly, as Obama swirls around, trying to decide whether to shit or go blind.



Posted by: Brown Line at August 17, 2010 09:34 AM (VrNoa)

26 That damned fool, Obama, is about to lose three wars that GW had already almost won before he left office, and that will be the best part of Obama's legacy.

Posted by: Just a thought, or two at August 17, 2010 09:36 AM (sYrWB)

27 BTW, 60 killed in suicide bombing outside of the Iraqi Ministry of Defense in anticipation of US withdrawal. ... yep.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 17, 2010 09:38 AM (Qp4DT)

28

OK

Can you think of a better word for The Won (a Chinese noodle) the PUNK?

Posted by: serfer62 at August 17, 2010 09:40 AM (HLCnI)

29

#21 - Cicero @ 1:28

Damned good post, son. Damned good.

Posted by: Just a thought, or two at August 17, 2010 09:46 AM (sYrWB)

30 8 Hear hear! Fuck Obama.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 17, 2010 09:48 AM (mHQ7T)

31 Is there anything the Democrats "inherited" from teh Eeeevil Chimpy McHitlerburton that they haven't yet pissed down their legs?

4.5% unemployment? Check, now 11%+
192 million deficit? Check, now 1.4 Trillion
Winning multiple wars? Check, running away on all fronts.
Dictators like Khadafi intimidated into abandoning hostility? Check, back on the rampage with a pat on the back.
Dozens of allies at least grudgingly on board? Check, nothing like a few dozen snubs to turn off effete Europeans.
Most advanced healthcare system in the world? Check, here comes CubaCare.

And on and on and on and on....

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at August 17, 2010 09:55 AM (bxiXv)

32

Whoa, Tattoo, you can sure clear a room.

Yeah, I know, shut up, troll.

Posted by: Just a thought, or two at August 17, 2010 09:56 AM (sYrWB)

33 25  No shit, and as for Iraq -- way to pull defeat out of a victory there...chief.  All those lives, all that treasure, all the potential the hope even of something good -- pissed away by the traitor in chief. (spit)

Posted by: unknown jane at August 17, 2010 09:59 AM (5/yRG)

34

Let's face it; he's managed to destroy America's superpower status...and in under 2 years.

Because he is a very intelligent man...smart even.

Posted by: unknown jane at August 17, 2010 10:05 AM (5/yRG)

35 Scope and rate are TBD - so one soldier out in 2011, then another in 2012?

Posted by: Jean at August 17, 2010 10:32 AM (HsxaI)

36 Obama wants to be able to go into the 2012 election season as The Guy Who Won The Wars.

Or at least The Guy Who Got Us Out Of The Wars.

And you can bet if we're still kicking dust around in Afghanistan come election season we're gonna hear the whole Dem part whining like a bagpipe full of piss.

Posted by: JEM at August 17, 2010 10:36 AM (o+SC1)

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38 38 AR360,

right you are....you can always count on the democrats to argue for paycuts for at least one part of the public sector....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 10:40 AM (kq1lG)

39 Jebus, even I know that telling the enemy exactly when you're leaving is bad military strategy. This is a win-win in their eyes. If either Iraq or Afghanistan are successful, they can take credit. If they fall apart, they blame Bush. Nothing like playing politics with soldiers lives and sacrifices.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 17, 2010 11:09 AM (uiyhQ)

40

Pay and benefit cuts are coming down the pipe.  I fully expect them to end the tax exemption for combat tours, remove dependents from the military health care system, and cut VA benefits to something like 10 years max. 

No new school clothes or medicine, kids, because mommy has to max out her credit card...

Posted by: Alex at August 17, 2010 11:22 AM (K9+WM)

41 Incidently, any guesses on how long it takes for a "reevaluation" to determine that we don't need more than half the current projected number of F-35s?

Posted by: Alex at August 17, 2010 11:25 AM (K9+WM)

42 "As you saw with IraqGuantanamo Bay, when the president makes a commitment, he keeps it. And he intends to do that here as well," he said. FTFH.

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