1

American Express just called.

 

The reactionary leftist Race Card is overdrawn.

2  Is it OK to hate criticize diaperheads?  That's not racist, is it?

3 Does this apply to Lithuanians?

Cause don't get me started on those damn "Wanians" and their ice cubes!

4 Nice write up, I agree.  Many comments, here, and at other sites make me cringe.  Not just at the demonstrated bad taste, and insensitivity, but because this is how the right is painted by the left.  It gives them ammunition, and costs conservatives votes.

5 Forget it...he's on a roll

6

If we be's nice to them, the they be's nice to us?

7 so is it still ok to make fun of retards?

8 this is exactly what I mean, people insisting that racial rudeness is somehow helpful, that the easy thing -- just venting -- is really the right thing. There is no limit to people's capacity for self-justification.

9 I assume Scandis & Canadians are still fair game.

10 Nice post ace, I agree with most of what you said but I'm not backing off on scandis

11

But the point then, is that this blog is not just about venting and catharsis and screwing around making dick jokes and posting as Pat Caddell.

Pat Cadell's dick is no joke, just for the record here.

12 Bow before me.  Fuck Zod.

13 7 so is it still ok to make fun of retards?

Posted by: cali grump at August 13, 2010 01:49 PM (1tJr/)

STOP TAT!!!...WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

14 I'm pissed off at all liberals - red, yellow, black and white.

15 So do I have to call it a 'member' from now on?

16 'Cause this blog would be a lot less fun if'n we couldn't abuse icebacks.

17 There has *got* to be a better term to describe ourselves than "dirty conservative". I've used "Southpark Conservative" but I'm not sure it that's it either.

18 Dear On-the-Fence Welfare Recipients, Do-Next-to-Nothing State Workers, Union Thugs, Illegal Aliens, Fraudulent Voters, and MFM Types:

Think REPUBLICAN while in pulling the lever.  Thank you.

19 speaking of which, the ACORN appeal got won today. No more $ for ACORN. I think.

20

But there were other Republicans, more like me, who were a bit... sketchy.

I'd call it more along the lines of skeevy but that's just me.


I really LIKE the Dirty COnservatives moniker.  Ace, you have just coined a phrase.

21

I really LIKE the Dirty COnservatives moniker

Dirty moronettes...mmmmmm

22 O/T

Longshot U.S. Senate candidate Alvin Greene has been indicted on a felony charge of showing pornography to a South Carolina college student.

This is absolutely disastrous for the Democrat Party because most conservatives were totally enamored with Mr. Greene.  That's green with an 'E' according to Alvin, and I'm disappointed he won't become a United States Senator.

23 Oh thank God, we can still tell dick jokes. Because where would the conservative movement be without Dick Cheney's Mighty Warcock?

24 Dirty effing oof daggers!

25 Could someone wake Baldilocks up ?
I always value her take on things whatever the topic . Besides , she's the only black person , as far as i know, that will sit at the dirty conservative table with us .

26  Is it OK to hate criticize diaperheads?

Well I really think that the parent should be criticized for the diaperhead, not the baby. I mean, the baby isn' usually the one that put the diaper on. Though, being babies it seems like a lot of them would put it on their head, so given the numbers, I hardly see how we can be too critical.

27 We can still take a dump in the punch bowl, right?

28 'Let's knock their dicks in the dirt' You left out half the planet, don't forget to pound their pussies with love in the mud.

29 8 Ace,

 you make valid points but given that we have been bludgeoned with the race card whether warranted or o for say 50+ years now at some point there will be recoil to the action of the push.

I try to be polite, on my block we have about 1/3 minorities and we are all cordial...mostly there is a crazy hispanic or latvian woman who is a recluse that glares at all our kids black, white, asian, and hispanic but "politeness" eventually does necessitate a two-way street or you are setting up the whites to get steamrolled by the indoctrinated you alluded to IMHO.

30

Fuck all the Scandi hate.

Welcome me.

_Kidding!

At the end of the day, though we may strategize differently, I'd call one play, you 'd call another, we're wearing the same jersey.

31

This looks awfully familiar to the Red Eye business plan.

32
Ace
I will require a box of See's Nuts and Chews Chocolates and pink roses please.

33 This blog isn't about teh kittehs?

34 I've used "Southpark Conservative" but I'm not sure it that's it either.

Posted by: Joe Biteme

P J O'rourke coined the term Pants Down Republican, which has a certain ring to it.

35

Also, this blog will only end when Duncan MacCloud cuts its head off.

36 14 Whodat,

my problem with obama is the same as with pelosi and reid....

it ain't the color of the wrapper but the shade of their ideology(red)

37 This blog isn't about teh kittehs?

Posted by: LOL Cats Fan at August 13, 2010 01:57 PM (Vol3D)

I thought this blog was about Hot Air, no?

38 I'd suggest putting up fewer articles like "Black Voting Bloc is having second thoughts because Obama has not been socialist enough" and more things like Afrocity's rant-for-the-ages if you want us to focus on the uplifting side of conservatism instead of the dipshit-ism that pervades Obama's supporters. I'll end that with a second sentence.

39

Great post ace.  I think most of what happens here isn't necessarily racist, it's people who are fired up about racial issues and race politics who don't take the time to realize what they're writing might be read by some (and used by others) as hate speech.  Everyone needs to be careful, not because of political correctness, but because we need our words and sites like this that let us express them to have some impact beyond the choir.

Unless we're talking about canadians, they just suck.

40 So far today, your readers are: - angry - resentful - have higher-level hostility - pissed off at black people Did I miss one?

41 You're going all Carles Chohnson on us, man!!!! I miss the old ace.

42 I hate liberals of any flavor, and I don't give black people a pass because they're black. I suspect many here are the same. Since apparently 95%+ of them vote socialist, I feel they are part of the despised group. I don't give a rat's ass what color or religion someone is, if they are socialist supporters, they are the enemy of my country. And in turn, my enemy, and I don't say nice things about the enemy. You can't use ignorance as an excuse for a group being ignorant. Everybody has access to information. Shit, everyone with the brains and drive can get a fucking Doctorate in politics. Everyone who wants access to the web can get access to the web. Ignorance is a choice people make, it isn't forced on them anymore. Most liberals I know are happy as clams in their ignorance, it lets them simplify their lazy lives. I have no use for the criminally ignorant.

43 We all know who the real menace is...those damn gingers!

*looks in the mirror, before it cracks*

I denounce myself!

44 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix Leave me out of this!

45 Can we still call for the deportation of those nasty Irish gingers?

46 Read and granted.

But first, you must..._{find a new meme!  Ha, thought I was going to say 'blow me', didn't you?}

47 Ace, well said. 

Remember some of the morons drunk post and mean no harm.

And I say that because 99% of these comments I find objectionable or a little overly hostile could be perfectly, inarguably sensible and unobjectionable... if only there had been a little more care in their presentation and a little more consideration of tone and sensitivities.

And some of us are just damn stupid and don't think.   

Myself included.

I never knew Z was dating a Black girl, till he told us.  That sure toned down the comments that night.

We'll try to be more better. 

48 http://tinyurl.com/2759vw4

IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED OGABE IS LOSING TO THE GENERIC GOP!

49

I assume Scandis & Canadians are still fair game.

Hey!

 

...Ace is only 29?...thought you were older than that...I thought more like a juvenile 40 or so

50

 

3 Does this apply to Lithuanians?

I used to work with a man of Lithuanian descent, and he claimed the proper insult was "lugans" if you wanted to insult him.  Whatever......... 

 

When commenting here or anywhere else, I try and write something that anybody who actually knows me could read, and I wouldn't be embarrassed or have to apologize for afterwards.  Someday my nic might get out and people who know me will see what I've written, and why be a jerk?

 

 

51 I posted this on the last thread before I knew ACE started a new one:

Many will disagree with me on the following point.  America can and will be liberated when a significant portion of us address the issue that we have allowed to exist in our midst when a large portion of our population is either used as a voting block to remain in power, and effectively warehoused in huge open air prisons we call ghettos or inner cities. 

The other side of the SAME coin is to ignore this plight and go about our business, but this has allowed a cancer to keep growing in our midst that is helping to destroy us as a nation.  To now have a culture that will have entire news programs run by both liberals and more conservative types following cases where a single middle class white girl is killed or missing, yet we have whole cities where young black men are being murdered in significant numbers by each other reinforces the message that we just don't give a damn. 

Is it our responsibility?  Perhaps not, but the reality is that somehow God does hold us responsible, We Are Our Brothers Keeper, and if we see our brother in prison, or hungry or unclothed and do not help, that was the very point of our judgment before God. 

America must do something about this situation, just as the world better start caring that women are being whipped to death and stoned in Islamic lands...it is the abdication of such things being our responsibility that draws the wrath of God, not so much our venal sins of the flesh. 

In part Europe is going dark first because it did not care for little Iraqi girls, and now little Afghanistan girls being tortured to death, beaten to death under a Satanic system.  The next great revolution must be spiritual, and it must start here in America, we cannot afford a power base of voters who are forgotten, and then used by the corrupt.  We allowed this to grow to the point where an obvious fool and evil man was given the reigns of power over us, and we rightly complain, yet Obama was simply the result of a disease we ignored.  And Obama is the perfect illustrated sermon of a white liberal mixed together with a grievance-monger black man steeped in Marxist ideology, he is the perfect anti-American. Obama comprises in his person the very system we have allowed to exist and grow into a world-destroying monster in our midst.

52 Having had the argument before, yeah, it's grousing.  I think we all new what a disaster this administration and congress were going to be and it had a lot off us (certainly me) emotionally compromised (as old Spock to new Kirk would put it).  While I'm ticked off at all Democrats generally, we always seem to have more extensive conversations about the black portion of their base, rather than the dumbass academics (and students)  or lawyers or unions (though those overlap enough to cause trouble).  Given what's coming in November, it's been a lot easier of late to tone it down.

BTW, just something that seemed significant to me at the time.  Did anybody catch the week of rage in Oakland following the transit cop sentencing which everyone *knew* was going to happen?  When the arrests were actually made, they looked to me to be the same miscreants that travel the world for G8 meetings to trash.  The blacks ... pretty much behaved like most everyone else, voiced their complaints and left it at that.  Something has changed (or what 'everyone' knows isn't quite right), and we probably should be paying attention to it.

But 90% of the time what is easy, what one wants to do, isn't what one should do. That is life:

I think St. Paul had something to say about that.

53 Ace, are you leaving us??????

54 Oh, one more thing.  Can we still dis dirty cocksucking Scandi's?

55 I think of us as kegger conservatives. We're sitting out back on the lawn furniture, drinking beer, telling dirty jokes, and basically horsing around, but we also discourse on the proper size of the USN and, of course, questions of racial politics. Some of us are asian or hispanic or black or whatever, and sometimes the beer makes us say stupid things, but our hearts are in the right place and we need to just watch what we say and go on talking. If that makes any sense.

56 17 There has *got* to be a better term to describe ourselves than "dirty conservative".

I've used "Southpark Conservative" but I'm not sure it that's it either.

Posted by: Joe Biteme at August 13, 2010 01:53 PM (gPL0B)

 

Bullshit.  "Dirty Conservative" is the best term to come out of this blog in the last couple of years.  As good as "pooter" and more useful in polite company.

Dirty Conservative's unite and eat hearty!  And tonight, we dine in Hell!!!

Ed "Dirty Conservative" Sanchez

57


pretty sure our buddy Kemp is a brother.

and it's usually good to think of me, or really anyone else, as being one too (whether we are or not) when posting comments.  Would  a good-natured, conservative black dude laugh?  then post it.

58 O.K. then, how about Pat Caddell's hair?  There's your political incorrectness right there.



<condescendingly waves hand in righteous self-justification>

59

Ace,

I have to disagree on one point - do you really believe that people are coming here who have not made up their minds about their political leanings?  That can be persuaded to vote republican or for conservatives?

I doubt that.  My guess is that 99.8% of the people who come to this site are either already in the choir (i.e., righties who already vote and are politically engaged) or come here to throw stones at the choir (lefties who already vote and are politically engaged).

60 42 Maddog,

this economic epoch is the chance to break the iron grip of the donks on the blacks and recreate the "reagan Democrats".....we gonna subert their grip with invective or with education and allowing for earned respect.

The average black is not going to become an acolyte of hayek or firedman overnight.

61 In Scottish courts you can be found 'Guilty', 'Not guilty', or 'Not proven'.  So, ace, the charges against the people you've indicted are, IMHO, 'not proven'

Two Scotsmen walk into a bar...................

62 Thunderstorm on the way . Gotta' batten down the hatches . Back later,  you buncha' racist , homophobes .

63

This is carried over from the other thread, but as far as voting is concerned, it pretty much is all there is to say.

"Preference Cascade - I think the new media might show black conservatives / moderates that there are others out there and they don't have to hide."

To your point about outreach: This blog is a useful tool for outreach, people who are curious about what conservatives believe will come here and draw their own conclusions. If they're offended they'll leave for good, but if they really are open-minded, they'll base their decisions on more than what's expressed on one thread.

If more of us were able to interact with minorities on a personal level, barriers based on skin tone would be more easily brought down. But that's easy for me to say because I have a diverse family: black, brown , yellow, olive, and even Anglo. The only race that matters is the human race.

64 P J O'rourke coined the term Pants Down Republican, which has a certain ring to it.

Yo.

65 Herr,
Leave it to you to make me laugh.

Adios morons.

66 57


pretty sure our buddy Kemp is a brother.

Well, not that I know of, but when your family's been in the South for 350 years, I am not ruling anything out.

67 Aw, prairie shit... Everybody!

68

It also might not be counterfeit at all. I don't believe in political correctness per se, but I do believe in what I would call "racial politeness." I believe that it's generally a Good Thing, a Civic Good, to treat people as individuals and to refrain from unnecessarily branding groups with negative terms.

 

You can't treat everything that pertains to human interactions as nothing but individual behavior.  That is just a practical impossibility - even aside from the fact that the great strength of the human mind is the ability to recognize patterns, to generalize and to abstract.  Human groups have aggregate characteristics, with some groups sharing more of these than others.  It is beyond folly to even contemplate not making generalizations about different groups.  It is distinctly un-human to even attempt to build such a world of ignorant bliss - which is exactly what it is. 

The problem is that people try and pretend that singling out certain races/ethnicities for special treatment (kid gloves, at the roughest, frankly) and don't really care what anyone says about the others.  Personally, I find this sort of paternalism to be offensive, but most of society has deemed such behavior to be the only acceptable way of dealing with certain issues of race/ethnicity.  That's just another reason why this society is headed into the chasm.  Ignoring reality never solves any problem.  Usually such problems fester and eventually kill the host.

69
Racism is Back!

70

Good post Ace.  I actually caught myself today before posting something race-oriented that could have been perceived pretty badly.  I sent the comments privately to a few friends, but simply knew better than to put them on a public blog owned by someone else.

If conservatives respect anything, it's private property rights, and this is Ace's blog, and he can damn well tell anyone who wants to post their opinion here to keep the nasty shit to themselves.

71 So far today, your readers are: - angry - resentful - have higher-level hostility - pissed off at black people Did I miss one? Yes, you did: Many are at fucking work and attempting to read the site on a fucking computer owned by a fucking corporation which could get them into fucking big trouble if they're seen reading a site which appears to have a racial animus. Are you at work?

72 29 ??  My older son is your age.  I got chunks in my stool older than you...

73 Are you at work?

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:05 PM (QbA6l)

Well, I mean, I'm in my office.  Work is such a subjective term, really.

74 >>>I have to disagree on one point - do you really believe that people are coming here who have not made up their minds about their political leanings? That can be persuaded to vote republican or for conservatives? >>>I doubt that. My guess is that 99.8% of the people who come to this site are either already in the choir (i.e., righties who already vote and are politically engaged) or come here to throw stones at the choir (lefties who already vote and are politically engaged). Well, were you here post November 2008? We had an influx of PUMA types. There is no doubt your percentages are approximately right -- is it 98.8% or 95.6%? But what about that last little bit? Is that a reason to go whole-hog on delicate matters?

75 This is a pretty interesting post coming as it does on the heels of Baldilocks' two-parter on racism and white guilt.

76

dude, nowadays the average under-35 born and raised middle class black guy is almost indistinguishable from teh similar white guy.

We just need to be respectful, not fearful of offense or constantly on guard.  That black guy is probably just as pissed as LaQuisha talking about her mortgage getting paid by Obama's stash as any white person.

77 >Are you at work? I'm vacationing in Spain right now. I'm headed to Maine next week.

78

Yes, you did: Many are at fucking work and attempting to read the site on a fucking computer owned by a fucking corporation which could get them into fucking big trouble if they're seen reading a site which appears to have a racial animus.

haha. I cop.

But I really messed up yesterday when I inadvertently linked to a site that had pics of Matty Kemp showing off his junk. Thank God it was pixilated.

OK you just reminded me what I'm really supposed to be doing with my time - bye all.

 

79

Awesome post Ace. 

80 Yes, you did: Many are at fucking work and attempting to read the site on a fucking computer owned by a fucking corporation which could get them into fucking big trouble if they're seen reading a site which appears to have a racial animus.

And some of us work at offices where porn is the norm, so there's that, too.  But yeah, you've a point there.

81 29 ??  My older son is your age.  I got chunks in my stool older than you...
Posted by: SantaRosaStan

How many Courics is that?

82 Ace is only 29??  Perfect age to talk to the college grads who've been looking for work (unsuccessfully) since about 2007 and who like beer and bodily function humor.

83

There has *got* to be a better term to describe ourselves than "dirty conservative".

I've used "Southpark Conservative" but I'm not sure it that's it either.

i just go by evil libertarian. most people just nod thier heads and slowly back away.

 

84 I think the thing that ticks me off the most about 'race' (and about certain Colored People African Americans Blacks People of Color, besides all the different labels they've used to do who knows what for themselves) is that the Left and the Racial Hustlers have made it so an honest conversation can't be had about race and no amount of soft toned, respect will make it any better. (especially if you're White) (how did we get to be 'White'? I don't know about you but I'm a kind of light beige. Let's get all pissy and indignant whenever anyone calls US White, let's see how other people like those P.C. Victim games)

Anyhoo, Holder was the real coward when he made his asinine comment, as I'm sure he knew that the Left would NEVER allow anyone from the right to attempt to hold a real conversation about race because the Left (as we've seen) has too much invested in the current paradigm of Left == Good for Blacks (even though the Democrat party FOUNDED THE KKK and VOTED AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS BILL) and the Right == Fascists, wishing they could own slaves again.

It's how Obama got elected; everyone was afraid to point out the bad stuff about Obama for fear of the Race card being played and a lot of Whites let their false guilt override their commonsense.

Race in this country is like an earthquake. Earthquakes actually are a good thing as they release pent up pressure from the movement of the Earth's crust. If they didn't happen the pressure would eventually get so large that a cataclysm would occur when the strain finally overloaded the crust. We've danced around and stifled any real efforts to discuss how to create an equal society to the point where we're now afraid to do so because the reactions would be/are so intense. Everyone's been keeping quiet for so long and the frustration has built up so high that when any situation arises that has even a whiff of racism in it (egged on by the aforementioned Race Hustlers), we have riots and shootings. (another reason for the stifling on some folks part; an actual physical fear of the consequences.)

I'm concerned that the coming rebound of the Right will be seen as a sign by Blacks as a rejection of 'their' Black President and thus Blacks and that the elections will spark more resentment and possible physical confrontations on a Black vs White divide.

We've already had a taste of it during the townhall meetings last summer. Plus, it's only a guess but I would bet that Blacks make up a larger proportion of Federal workers than their proportion of the total population would indicate. The Federal government and the Unions embraced affirmative action hiring from the beginning so this shouldn't be a surprise.

What's going to happen when the Right tries to cut back the Federal workers pie?

It's not going to be pretty, folks.

85 Are you at work? Another plus for the Ogabe Administration: no, I'm not!

86 My own personal gesture to a color-blind society is to drop all ethnic-related slurs from my inner and outer vocabulary and just substitute 'jagoff' for all of them. 'Jagoff' is racially neutral. So, we have 'Wow, look at all those Obama signs, I must be in a jagoff neighborhood', or, 'Wow, that guy with the Obama bumper sticker and  22" rims on his Escalade drives like a jagoff', or 'Figures that woman's an Obama voter. She's a jagoff'.
See? All the people in the above illustrations could have been any color or ethnicity, but they're all united in being jagoffs. And while a person can't help being what color their born with (Michael Jackson notwithstanding), they can certainly stop being such a jagoff. So, 'Don't be a Jagoff! Vote Republican!'

There. My Nobel peace prize can be mailed to:

Sort-Of-Mad Max
c/o Mr. Heywood Jabloume
Sid's Lo-Cost Liquors
Hazelcrest, IL

87

lol, my mistake Kemp; proves my point.  I don't remember why I thought that, but it seemed like it was pretty clear from a post a few days back.

And Kemp, 350 years?  There's always a little in the woodpile at that point.

88 I'll bet Ace STILL gets carded.  Ewoks are often very young looking.

89 P J O'rourke coined the term Pants Down Republican, which has a certain ring to it.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 13, 2010 01:57 PM (PBNpM)

I thought he was a Republican Party Reptile.

Anyway, Ace is only 29?!  Holy shit I also thought that he was an adolescent 40 year old like myself.

90 And some of us work at offices where porn is the norm, so there's that, too.  But yeah, you've a point there.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 13, 2010 02:09 PM (5aa4z)

Everyone knock on Herr.  He works for the IRS!!!!

91 The average black is not going to become an acolyte of hayek or firedman overnight.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 13, 2010 02:02 PM (kq1lG)

True. But I know black conservatives, and ignorant they are not. Ignorance is the major problem. That makes schools a major contributor to the problem, and the fucking government fucked up the schools along with the parents who don't give a shit, and the teacher's unions who also don't give a shit. So it is up to individuals to educate themselves, and that takes effort.

92 Well, were you here post November 2008? We had an influx of PUMA types.

No shit.  And we made a kind of alliance with them.  It was a good thing.  I'm still favorably disposed to the guys at Hillbuzz.  They're funny as shit sometimes.

93 Punish me, Mistress LauraW, I've been a dirty conservative.

94

which could get them into fucking big trouble if they're seen reading a site which appears to have a racial animus.

I hope they stay off the White House site and don't read newspapers or have TV's on channels that carry the administration and dem leaders doing NOTHING but trying to sow racial animus in America.

Of course, what do you expect from us?  We were all told AT THE FUCKING INAUGURATION that the world will finally see better days "when white accepts what's right".

AT THE FUCKING INAUGURATION!

And somehow words on a blog are worse than that?  How does that work?

95 >>>Ace is only 29?? No... didn't you see the next sentence? I have DECIDED I am 29. (Well, I *will be* 29.)

96

He works for the IRS!!!!

No that would be the SEC IIRC.

97 Thanks Ace & $10 your way.

-J

98

I forget what the number used to be ace, was it like, one commenter for every 100 readers or so?  It's some crazy number like that.  So yeah, I think it's absolutely plausible that there are readers who aren't committed to the cause yet.  Actually I refer many of my "apolitical" friends here who think conservatives like me are stuff fartheads (which, I sometimes am, but with a Chris Klein flashy smile).

 

I could do the arithmetic by checking the sitemeter I suppose, but I ain't doin any math until we get a dental plan.

99

Once, many months ago, late at night, a few commentors discovered that the anti-military stuff started showing up during the Korean war. We realized that it occured the first time, really, that the US was at war with communists. We extrapolated that the anti-military propaganda and subsequent lsm water carrying was at least begun by communists. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Most of the baby-boomers, who to this day laugh at "military intelligence" jokes, have no clue why they have been cultured to think negatively about the military and hence military spending, et al.

When we talk about race issues, especially in politics, I'm always interested in examining why people think the way they do and how people were cultured (I know that's a novel way to use the word but I you know what I mean) to believe certain things and who was responsible.

As far as the problems we have with race in today's politics, I think it comes from the same place as anti-military bias. I grant that there were serious racial disparities long before Marx but I think his followers are the reason they haven't disappeared in this country.

So, IMHO, the direction to lead the race discussion is why, who, how, and can it be reversed? The communists accuse the teaparty of their own goals; fomenting fear. I don't think anger and resentment spring from racism but from fear and that fear was put in place for a reason.

We have  to be careful with the quick comeback and look at from where the issues spring. I'd just like the good people who vote dem to examine why they do, but I don't know if they can.

100

>>We were the dirty conservatives.

>>That's not a big demographic, but it does exist. The fact that it is small will, unfortunately, forever limit this site's top size. But it will exist at a moderate size to serve that niche.

I think there are more of us than you think. A lot more. And I have gotten the impression Ace is looking for greener pastures or at least the ability to eat food and live in a house, not a cardboard box. I understand it, I just hope you stick around for awhile because this is the best blog I've ever read; there's nothing around like it.

101 Good post, Ace.

I post on lefty blogs.. and it's damn hard to convince them (why do I try? who knows?  masochism, I guess.. but maybe I just like stickin' it to 'em once in a while),, but it's hard to convince lefty's we don't care about color, we hate lefty ideologies period, when they can easily pull stuff out of conservative blogs that sure looks like racism... even if it wasn't meant like that.

So yeah.. some sensitivity might be in order.. without diluting the message..

Racism is an especially hot button for me in the immigration debate.. any, and I mean any little thing, said against illegal immigration policies is now all of a sudden bigoted and racist.  I do what I can to call out race bating when I see it, but it is rampant with the left and I don't know how we can combat it fully.

anyway.. good post.

102 #87

Actually, 370 years, 1640, Westmoreland Co., VA. 

Half my relatives STILL live in VA.

103 emotional-level animus directed at some groups

I can't say ugly things about social-cons that are fiscal-libs anymore??  Hate those tards with the heat of 1000 supernovas. 

104

Everyone knock on Herr.  He works for the IRS!!!!

Posted by: Editor at August 13, 2010 02:11 PM (pUfK9)

A Revenuer???? Jeeeebus with my checkbook and here I was still pissed at scandis. 

105 >>>Ace is only 29??

No... didn't you see the next sentence?

I have DECIDED I am 29.

Ace, you have socks that are 29.

106 I come for the boobies, but I stay for the race discussions!

107

I could do the arithmetic by checking the sitemeter I suppose, but I ain't doin any math until we get a dental plan

Why not, do you use your teeth for counting?  Fingers, toes, teeth!

108 WhoDat

I'm not racist in any way.  I HATE EVERYONE!  EQUALLY!

109 Ace, you make some good points here, but may I bring up some divergent (if not exactly opposite) views?

I have torn off a lot more calendar pages than you have, enough that I lived in a time when racial animus was still pretty overt. Likewise, I lived through the "New Sensitivity" that began in the 1960s and continues to this day. So my mileage may vary from yours.

Somewhere along the line, I became the problem and not the solution. Not because of anything I personally did, but because of my ethnic background.

I was responsible for the evils of slavery. I was responsible for sending poor kids off to war, for oppressing the helpless masses. Every billyclub or baseball bat that hit someone who only wanted to live in freedom had my fingerprints on it.

In short (I could go on and on), I was one of you people, judged solely by my race.

I have been insulted for that reason, have received indifferent service in stores because of it, have been denied jobs because of it.

And yet, I can honestly use the "some of my best friends are..." line to describe myself. I can say that I marched in civil rights demonstrations as a yoot, did volunteer work in an "inner-city" program.

I'll never say I am racism-free. Who can honestly claim that status for themself? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Give me a break. But I try to be honest. Good is good, and bad is bad.

Somewhere along the line, I rejected my "liberal" education in the 1960s. I cast aside as much political correctness as I possibly could.

As a result, when it is my sense that a large percentage of black people make themselves into a bloc and are pandered to by a political group I dislike intensely, I say so. I would say the same of groups that pander to whites, Asians, American Indians or Hispanics on a "you have had it so bad so let us give you reparations from someone else's pocket" level.

I would reject similar "outreach" from our side of the political aisle, too.

In part, this feeling stems from a basic truth: there are no ex-slaves in the United States today. Probably damn few (if any) children of ex-slaves. The number of Irishmen who survived the Potato Famine or suffered discrimination upon the arrival here is likely damn small, too.

Look through anyone's ancestry and you'll inevitably find that everyone is a descendant of someone who took it on the chin in a big way. But that doesn't entitle us to some special government handouts or hiring preferences.

My black friends know where I stand politically, and some are pretty irritated by it. We mutually try to keep that from affecting our personal relationships.

I've rambled on too long (et tu, ace?) but I want to make one more personal point: In real life, I'm a writer, albeit unemployed right now. I love words, and try to employ them for effect. When Ebonics words carry a punch, I'll use them. When slang from other languages is the best form of expression in a given situation, I'll use them. When plain old proper English is best (thanks to the interwebz and our current education system, that's getting more rare) is most effective, that's what I use.

I am an equal-opportunity offender. Be good -- at least by my standards -- or be zinged.

110 I have two cars older than Ace!  FJ-40, Landcruisers 1976, two of them.

111 38 I'd suggest putting up fewer articles like "Black Voting Bloc is having second thoughts because Obama has not been socialist enough" and more things like Afrocity's rant-for-the-ages if you want us to focus on the uplifting side of conservatism instead of the dipshit-ism that pervades Obama's supporters.

I'll end that with a second sentence.

Posted by: t-bird at August 13, 2010 01:58 PM (FcR7P)

I think that the "Black Voting Bloc" is the one subject that probably generates 'edgy' comments directed at blacks as a group, because the 90% support they provided Obama was so extreme.  

112 110 I have two cars older than Ace!  FJ-40, Landcruisers 1976, two of them.

Posted by: Kemp at August 13, 2010 02:16 PM (2+9Yx)

Great cars, but shitty mileage, like my 1983 Jeep J-10 fwd pickup, bought new in '83. 12 mpg up hill and down, with a head wind or a tail wind. Aerodynamics of a cinder block. Best of all, Super unleaded only.

113 110 I have two cars older than Ace!  FJ-40, Landcruisers 1976, two of them.

Posted by: Kemp at August 13, 2010 02:16 PM (2+9Yx)

My son is the same age as Ace.

114 A Revenuer???? Jeeeebus with my checkbook and here I was still pissed at scandis.

I wish.  The pay and benefits would be a hell of a lot better.

115 I was responsible for the evils of slavery.
You're a Jew, MrScribbler?

116

>>> Oh, one more thing.  Can we still dis dirty cocksucking Scandi's?

Like the one I'm married to?  Go right ahead but I doubt you or any other moron would kick her out of bed...well maybe Gabe.

 

117 Wonderful, brilliant, thoughtful, insightful post, Ace - - yet again. That you are twenty-eight is astonishingly boggling. The conservative movement needs this blog and more like it, and the influence cannot be measured as yet, but I suspect the future will disclose the influence to be far more than just a little bit. Your co-bloggers are very good, and very witty, and very informative and highly readable, but you are the soul. It is amazing how the Dirty Conservatives and the Straight-laced Conservatives arrive at the same ultimate pov. That would be a fascinating essay in itself. But this blog in particular is so valuable because many many folks are not straight-laced and not liberals or leftists, or have the potential to be not liberal or not leftist, if they are encouraged to see that straight-laced is not a requirement. The conservative movement has always needed a connection with popular culture and the wry side of human existence. You and your blog are a fulfillment of that need, and your value is immense.

118

YOU PEOPLE, are giving me the red ass!  It's Friday for damn sakes!!  Can't we meet and solve the "race" issue on Monday morning when all the other awful shit gets addressed?  Now, go unfuck yourselves! 

And as prep for the Monday morning race meeting, let me say now, I hate everyone, period.

 

119

OT: Thanks Tancredo, you fricken idiot.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Colorado Voters finds Hickenlooper, the mayor of Denver, with 43% support. Businessman Dan Maes, the winner of TuesdayÂ’s Republican Primary, captures 31% of the vote, while American Constitution Party candidate Tom Tancredo trails with 18%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate in the race, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

120 In real life, I'm a writer, albeit unemployed right now.

There's such a thing as an employed writer?

121 My guess is that a lot of the race comments here are a visceral reaction to being blamed for the ills of an entire race (by race mongers) for something you're pretty sure you had no part in.

Take me:
-I tutored inncer-city kids in New Orleans for 4 years.
-Had a really disapooint/eye opening AmeriCorp experience in NOLA where I went into the worst neighborhoods  and tried to educated them about ways to improve their housing situation by shedding the lihgt on corrupt politicains and their lame excuses 
-Worked for Habitat for Humanity in both Baltimore and Philadelphia where the primary beneficiaries were poor blacks.
-Worked tireless in one  of the worst neighborhoods in Philadelphia to help control crime and improve the neighborhood.
-Hell I even helped a local democrat get elected to the state house because he was better than the corrupt and inept 20yr incumbent and I knew my time would be wasted working for a republican that only2% of the district would vote for.

Given my experiences, it pisses me the fuck off when I get accused of being racist because I disagree with democrats. And I'm often tempted to deliver the same base insults just because I want to lay the hurt, no matter the collateral damage, or whether or not I believe it. Most anger is not 100% rational.

Now I don't think that I've said anything racially charged, certainlly not in the last thread where I didn't post anything, but I understand how good people at some point get fed up with being faulted for something  they had no part in. Being accused of contributing to the slavery, Jim Crow, and inner city-ghettos ought to be a serious accusation, yet the left throws it around brazenly. As a result, I think a lot of people have a very emotional gut reaction, where things come out before they're thought through entirely.

That being said, if we are the party of thinking rather than feeling, it's good to take a step back and reread your post to make sure it's what you really want to say, and not just a gut statement you might not really mean.

122 >>>. When Ebonics words carry a punch, I'll use them. Yeah? Really? Then you'll be banned. You know dude -- far as I can tell, the masthead doesn't say fucking "MrScribbler HQ"? Are you seeing it differently?

123 The real problem is the ginger voting bloc. Why haven't we gerrymandered those people into democratic oblivion yet?

124 -86;

I've started using 'JACKAMO' == Jackass Mof**ker.

Soooo many people qualify these days. (I include myself now and then as I have my moments of supreme stupidity in public.)

125 Like the one I'm married to?  Go right ahead but I doubt you or any other moron would kick her out of bed...well maybe Gabe.

Ok, I LOL'd on that.  I hereby denounce myself. 

126 91MadDog,

Ace is almost exactly the age where the schools had come up with their Leftbat Jihad curriculum....

we have to be as patient as parents toilet training their first child or captured hobo on the matter.

127 It just started thundering and lightening here. Does ace have those powers?

128 All I said was "I like chocolate milk..."

129 >>>That you are twenty-eight is astonishingly boggling. Thank you, but I'm not 28. It was a JOKE!!! I have DECIDED to BECOME 28 through simple assertion that I am 28. I guess it's working... maybe should just shut up and let this crazy snowball run down the hill!

130 Anger may be an energy, as John Lydon said, but anger is not an argument.

And argument is even less persuasive than being a total asshole is. Lydon is exemplary. He's securely an immovable, shouting douche. That's its own appeal, and it's pre-rational. Pro- or con-Lydon arguments that follow it are rationalizations of a first-look emotional attachment (or revulsion).

The Dems are similarly in-your-face—proud liars, panderers, crooks, favor-sellers, etc. Their core voters love them, and are eternally devoted to them, because they're that. The GOP is jittery, shifty, cowardly, obscurely motivated, untrustworthy, weak, asking-for-it. That's why even its supposed ideological base's support is unreliable.

Republicans can't win anyone over, except as an "oh well" second choice when the Ds are fucking up—unless and until the Party decides what it is and proclaims it unapologetically. In our lifetimes, there have been two R landslides: Reagan and '94. Those wins came from "We're this. Get in the damn car." campaigns. "Hey lady, you need a ride somewhere? I'm not gonna hurt ya" doesn't work.

Confident aloofness—"This is what we're about. Join us or don't. It's all on you"—is the only potentially winning posture the GOP can adopt toward groups whose first-look emotional attachment strongly points them elsewhere. Anything else comes off dishonest, clumsy, creepy, etc.

Analogy: The GOP is a "beta." No woman wants him until a long list of bad boys have already given her nine overlapping cases of herpes—and she'll go back and bang any of the herpes guys behind GOP's back anytime they booty-call. Everything GOP does to be "nice" makes her despise him even more. What should he do? Not calling her is step one.

131 But the flip side of that is that anger often looks ugly to people who aren't quite as angry as you. An angry person is generally unattractive and unappealing in his angry moment. Some find him attractive and appealing -- those who are angered themselves and feeling the fire too -- but for those we're trying to get into a Remember November mood, but who aren't quite there yet it's a turn off. heard a similar argument from horowitz against coulter - that she is too ascerbic to win people over to the cause.

132 Posted by: jakee308 at August 13, 2010 02:10 PM (WZeLK)

You be right:  For example, over 2/3 of employed Black women with a college degree work for the gubmint.  Blacks are over-represented in government just as they are over-represented in gubmint 'transfer payments' like AFDC and SSI.

Recent legal non-White immigrants are even more over-represented in gubmint jobs and welfare, which partly explains why they vote overwhelmingly Demo.  The  other reason, which some on the previous thread wondered about, is RACE

in 2008, non-Whites ( regardless of ethnicity ) voted for O.  Coincidence ?

133 Look, to put out this fire: I am not 28. I am of one of those vague ages when people feel the need to begin claiming to be 28.

134 Gotcha.

135 One more demographic in your readership, Ace (the demog that I'm a part of):

Christian, "Religious Right", social conservatives who get just plain tired of their fellow Americans' bland, smiley-face, terminal cluelessness, and think that cutting loose with a few cusswords now and then is an appropriate response to the current world situation. As in, "fuck the Devil, and fuck all his smirking little acolytes like Bill Ayers and Ted Turner!"

And by the way, Ann Coulter is my homegirl.

136 sometimes I feel like I"m the "token independent" on here and that you must sometimes read what I write and think I'm from another planet.  so, I'm thinking that Holder, when he put out his treatise on race, though he failed to get his point across adequately (IMHO) was the anti thesis of Civility and had a tad of militancy in his little treatise.  But, owing to the fact that this seems to be a topic of discussion intersecting and pouring over into the topic of the mosque, perhaps he just didn't know how to communicate and failed to get across his idea.  What I'm trying to say is that I'm not an ideologue and I'm not a republican or conservative.  So I sort of read everything everyone is saying (as much as I can) and draw my own conclusions.  The rep/conservatives don't always look good, I wasn't happy with GWB in the end, I feel he totally screwed up.  Obama has done some good things.   I know you might not want to hear that, but some stuff, I'll try to be more specific later, has been for the good.  Like Obama has made us all realize how important our vote is and how important our constitution and rich history are.

I'm hearing from Ace a call to civility.

137 "It just started thundering and lightening here. Does ace have those powers?" Nah, nobody farts that loud.

138 I am of one of those vague ages when people feel the need to begin claiming to be 28.

Viagra!

139 Posted by: reverend jeremiah wright jr. at August 13, 2010 02:20 PM

Guilty as charged.

I denounce myself. Again.

140 "Plus, it's only a guess but I would bet that Blacks make up a larger proportion of Federal workers than their proportion of the total population would indicate."

Good guess.

Of course, I shouldn't post this since it's a hatefact, and anyone who would be interested in such a thing must be racist to the bone.  However, one might suggest that if we refuse to discuss true, obvious facts about various groups then it will be difficult to understand and predict their behavior but hey, it's better than being racist I guess.

141 >>>Confident aloofness—"This is what we're about. Join us or don't. It's all on you"—is the only potentially winning posture the GOP can adopt toward groups whose first-look emotional attachment strongly points them elsewhere. Anything else comes off dishonest, clumsy, creepy, etc. What I see here is someone who wants to justify his tempter-tantrums as somehow useful to the cause. There's a lot of solipsism going on here -- the assertion that the party must cater to ME (meaning, you) exclusively, and no one else. This is the height of self-oriented childish thinking. A coalition consists of multiple segments, all of which are different in most respects, and must present an appealing face to all. You are a solipsist much like Andrew Sullivan who has crafted his own "Party of Andrew" as an alternate GOP . When someone suggests to you you have to win over converts, you start mewling like a child who doesn't want his spinach asserting that no, you can eat your delicious cookies and nothing else because that's a healthy diet, you've decided.

142 134 Look, to put out this fire: I am not 28. I am of one of those vague ages when people feel the need to begin claiming to be 28. Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:25 PM (QbA6l) Yes, I think I'm about that age: Too old to be hip, too young to join AARP. Amirite?

143 Look, to put out this fire:

I am not 28.

I am of one of those vague ages when people feel the need to begin claiming to be 28.

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:25 PM (QbA6l)

Who are you kidding? You have jeans that can claim to be 28.

144 >solipsism We are All Solipsists Now

145 That's green with an 'E' according to Alvin, and I'm disappointed he won't become a United States Senator.

I'm not...he was challenging DeMint. So, as awesome Alvin he is, he's not the best choice.

146

Lots o'tension here lately. It will probably only get worse leading up to November.

Perhaps a cathartic flame war is in order?

I'll get the ball rolling--

You all smell.

_{(I may have an inner-bitch, but damn I suck with the insults.)}

147 I think, for a lot of conservatives, this blog is a guilty pleasure, although they'll never admit it.

148 Too old to be hip, too young to join AARP. break one.

149 You are a solipsist much like Andrew Sullivan who has crafted his own "Party of Andrew" as an alternate GOP . When someone suggests to you you have to win over converts, you start mewling like a child who doesn't want his spinach asserting that no, you can eat your delicious cookies and nothing else because that's a healthy diet, you've decided.

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:28 PM (QbA6l)

You can't just eat cookies? Even really delicious cookies?

150 >>>Christian, "Religious Right", social conservatives who get just plain tired of their fellow Americans' bland, smiley-face, terminal cluelessness, and think that cutting loose with a few cusswords now and then is an appropriate response to the current world situation. As in, "fuck the Devil, and fuck all his smirking little acolytes like Bill Ayers and Ted Turner!" Yes I didn't mean to say all Christians were anti-profanity or dick jokes. But there is a big segment of Christians who take the "be Christ-like" command to mean that, and they avoid profanity and avoid movies (for example) that have too much of it, since that would be taking delight in a non-Christ-like pleasure. Which isn't something I want to knock either -- it's nice that SOMEONE in America doesn't curse a blue storm every singe second anymore. But obviously that is so far from my personality I can't cater to that, really. I've lost readers over that. You gain some, you lose some. Choosing one thing is choosing against another, alas.

151 You are a solipsist much like Andrew Sullivan who has crafted his own "Party of Andrew" as an alternate GOP . When someone suggests to you you have to win over converts, you start mewling like a child who doesn't want his spinach asserting that no, you can eat your delicious cookies and nothing else because that's a healthy diet you've decided.

mmm.... cookies. That is all.

152 "There's a lot of solipsism going on here -- the assertion that the party must cater to ME (meaning, you) exclusively, and no one else. "

I don't think so.  Anyone who's been around the block knows that "their" party can piss them off at times.  You can let an issue slide if it's just a matter of preference.  However, when it gets to a core value for an individual - that's when the fireworks go off.

 

153
"Hey lady, you need a ride somewhere? I'm not gonna hurt ya" doesn't work.

The hell you say?

154 I and most of my white friends have also had the let's-fuck-with-white-people on the subway/bus/train/street experience.

I want to know why even discussing being racially harassed by a group of black thugs makes the white guy the racist? It's insane. And most white people pretend what happened didn't actually happen. They just sit there quietly and endure the loud threats of violence and hope to get off at the next stop. And never mention what happened.

It's fucked up.

155 One more thing, Ace.
Gotta tell you how this Christian conservative found your blog.
I didn't even know what a blog was until August 29, 2008.
I was so jumping-up-and-down, break-out-the-champagne, set-off-the-firecrackers ecstatic about McCain's announcement of Sarah Palin--with whom I was already passingly familiar--as his running mate, that I went immediately to the Internet and googled Sarah to get more info. One of the headings that caught my eye led me to Ace of Spades. And of course, I was immediately hooked.

And yeah, obviously, Sarah "We're not retreating, we're reloading"/"We refuse to sit down and shut up"/"Not just no but HELL no!" Palin is my homegirl, too.

156 I come here cause, for the most part, you all really speak from the heart, you are all really caring and trying very hard to do your best and loving this country and all the people in it.

I think the country is changing   There isn't such a strong "party affiliation" as there was in my parent's generation.  Beck might have it right, it doesn't matter if the person has an R or a D next to their name, what matters is how they think, what they believe, that they love this country, that they understand the judeo Christian ethic and the founders and the Constitution and the history.

157
I am of one of those vague ages when people feel the need to begin claiming to be 28. Posted by: ace

I think what you are trying to say is that you are Too Old To Rock & Roll, And Too young To Die.

158 There's only two kinds of people I can't stand in the world.  Those who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

159 Change we can all believe in.

Bury fires transparency Czar will now be handled by his lawyer.

http://tinyurl.com/25e2mtg

160 When Ebonics words carry a punch, I'll use them.

Yeah? Really? Then you'll be banned.

You know dude -- far as I can tell, the masthead doesn't say fucking "MrScribbler HQ"?

Are you seeing it differently? Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:23 PM

Nope. I see it the same way you do, ace.

Your blog, your rules.

I could try to engage you in a discussion of the relation of Ebonics to White Southern, Jazz Musician and other English dialects, but there's no real point. I'm a guest here, and it isn't my intention to piss you off.

I'm having a shitty day, too.

161

I am not 28.

I am of one of those vague ages when people feel the need to begin claiming to be 28.
Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:25 PM (QbA6l)

 

...it's cuz you were being so serious in your post that the joke went over our heads....

162 Thank you very much, curious, and you are always welcome here, even if a moderate squish.

163

I'll tell you why I am angry at Black people.  It's because they turned their back on Booker T. Washington and his campaign for economic development and instead embraced W.E.B. DuBois and his campaign for instant equality.

Washington knew that economic development would overcome racial prejudice over time because whites would regard Blacks as economic producers with whom they could do business and ultimately lose any irrational fear of Blacks.  DuBois believed that if you forced whites to treat Blacks as equals, there would be instant racial harmony.

One proof of the superiority of Washington's approach is that Black Americans were able to achieve wealth and widespread acceptance earliest in the fields of entertainment and sport -- fields in which outstanding performance commands respect and compensation.  In many other fields, removing racial barriers made little difference in acceptance or achievement because few Black people were prepared through education and experience to excel in those fields.  Affirmative action was an implicit acknowledgment of that failure, an attempt to overcome a failure to prepare with brute-force racial preferences.

The 20th century was largely lost to Black Americans because of the single-minded emphasis on civil rights and the neglect of education and economic development.  One hopes that the 21st century will finally see Black America put its house in order.

164 Mr. Scribbler, I just find ebonics just tasteless and classless and race-baiting, and have urged people to stop, so I found your assertion sort of a challenge. I don't mean to stomp on you. I just reacted to what I took as a "F*** you" statement.

165

Analogy: The GOP is a "beta." No woman wants him until a long list of bad boys have already given her nine overlapping cases of herpes—and she'll go back and bang any of the herpes guys behind GOP's back anytime they booty-call. Everything GOP does to be "nice" makes her despise him even more. What should he do? Not calling her is step one.

Posted by: oblig. at August 13, 2010 02:24 PM (x7Ao

This is profoundly true.  If I"ve learned nothing else from my years of reading (and I haven't) it's that people hate weakness and compromise.  People love only strength.  This is true of both men and women, but especially of women.  And the Reps never project strength, until they're backed into a corner, where even a mouse is finally forced to act like a man.

But there is a big segment of Christians who take the "be Christ-like" command to mean that, and they avoid profanity and avoid movies (for example) that have too much of it, since that would be taking delight in a non-Christ-like pleasure.

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:31 PM (QbA6l)

I've run into this a lot, particularly in my own family.  Personally I think most of the time it's more a form of seeking refuge in legalism.  As for me, once I get to the point where I can consistently forgive/love my enemies and put aside by hot, hot hate for them, I'll move on and start worrying about my movie watching & profanity. 

166 Actually, 370 years, 1640, Westmoreland Co., VA. 

Half my relatives STILL live in VA.

Posted by: Kemp at August 13, 2010 02:13 PM (2+9Yx)

We're probably related somewhere: the first one of us landed on April 26, 1607. That's 393 years ago. I'm also proud to say that regardless of which line I research, there are no yankees. I messed up the bloodline by marrying one myself.

167

When Ebonics words carry a punch, I'll use them.

Yeah? Really? Then you'll be banned.

Like Mark Twain?

Ease up...

168 This thread is getting me all misty eyed, and when Pat Caddell gets misty eyed it's murdering time.

169 We have one of these posts about oh, every three months or so. And besides, we haven't had any red-on-red action since the NCAA tapes, we're doing well in the polls, so that must mean it's time to get into a fistfight!

170

I have the same feeling about discussing Islam.  It's critical to oppose theocracy, sharia, and jihad (the real kind, not Brennan's).  But every time someone loses their cool the slick spokesliars from CAIR or other MB front group has ammo they didn't have before.

 

171

Yes, you did: Many are at fucking work and attempting to read the site on a fucking computer owned by a fucking corporation which could get them into fucking big trouble if they're seen reading a site which appears to have a racial animus.

Solution: work when you're at work, and read blogs on your own time.  Many companies will go ape sh*t if they find you browsing Amazon.com.  It's not the racial content they'll object to per se, it's the 'you're f*cking surfing the web when you should be working' issue that'll they'll have a problem with.  So, I dig the overall 'cool it' vibe, but the 'don't get in trouble at work' angle is weak.

172 As a practical matter, I feel compelled to say that their might be some useful discussion points to be had in the matter of definitions. Therefore--

True Racism: "My race is better than yours. Period."

Darwinian Racism: My race is better than yours because of genetics, and science has proved this.

(Both of the above have largely died out in the West as serious philosophies. I cannot comment on the state of other areas of the globe.)

Ethnocentrism: "My group is better than yours because we have our acts together in a way yours do not." Every group has this to a certain extent. I'm sure select Asian communities roll their eyes in exasperation at the foolishness of the rest of us...

Tribalism: "My group, may it always be right, but my group, right or wrong." Every group has this to a certain extent.

Group Identity and Animus: "You know, I really don't like XXX fans. Always show up late to their ballgames and play with beach balls and do the wave". Every group has this to a certain extent.  

Cultural Predilection: "You know, I don't really find that I like hats turned backwards/sideways, gangsta rap, gold teeth, or anything remotely similar that appealing."

Commonsense: "Very hard to support children out of wedlock. Kinda a historical truth."

Political Philosophy Belief: "It is very hard to keep income redistribution societies from turning into Animal Farm oligarchies that forget that original 'noble' purpose."

Philosophical Belief: "We must cultivate our garden" and "He that does not work does not eat" and "What you create, is yours, within the rules of the system we have created" and "Don't throw good money after bad" and "Tomorrow is another day" (see 'tending to garden', above).

You know, when they on the left cry "racism", they mean one of the above. But which one?

173 Mr. Scribbler, I just find ebonics just tasteless and classless and race-baiting, and have urged people to stop, so I found your assertion sort of a challenge.

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:41 PM (QbA6l)

Just a point to keep in mind, Ebonics is the only English dialect that saw its speakers (representatives) sue in court claiming that Ebonics speakers need to be treated as ESL students.  I don't know if you remember this case (from the LA schools, IIRC) but this is what ticks people off.  There's a suit in court claiming that Ebonics is a separate (and legitimate) language and then, on the other hand, it's treated as a slur in most other contexts.

What reason is there in that?

174 Oh, add one more:

Self-defense: "I got no problem with you guys, but your kids do things that negatively impact my life."

175 You know, when they on the left cry "racism", they mean one of the above. But which one?

Posted by: Sir Explain-a-lot at August 13, 2010 02:46 PM (WOOlH)

You forgot one:

Blogging Racism: All the other blogs suck dick, particularly LFG. Why can't they be more like  AoSHQ?

176 I hope the Dirty Conservative meme spreads like wildfire.  I like it.

177 I don't mean to stomp on you. I just reacted to what I took as a "F*** you" statement. Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:41 PM

Nope. I reserve my "F-word" responses for people who have earned them by being ********s or other kinds of low-life ********s.

Wow. I feel like I'm commenting at Tepid Air after typing that response!

I'm used to being the whipping-person for people who have a mad on.... IYSWIJDAITYD.

178 I can see your point...but go to ANY black blog and see how they talk about whites, Latinos, Asians...and even other blacks. Compared to those sites, this one is G rated. I'm black and I've not been offended by what I read on this blog (okay, well, some stuff has been borderline offensive). I think you do a good job of monitoring this site, though.  I just started reading conservative blogs a year ago, and this is one of the few that I come to every day. Mainly for the laughs.

179 One more personal note, Ace, and then I really will quit--

Besides the comment threads (which are the best in the blogosphere IMHO), one of the things I really like at AoSHQ is when you do one of your longer analyses/commentaries such as this one on race. I don't know how someone whose blog has so much gutter humor (this Christian conservative just skips over the really gross stuff) could be so profound and have such on-the-mark insights--but there you have it:  You're one of the best.
(Hey, just remember a back-handed compliment is still a compliment!)

In this particular commentary, I especially appreciate your phrase "racial politeness." I think that should become a MAJOR MEME all over the country, I really do. One of the reasons the fascist/dictatorial/insidious "political correctness" has steamrolled the whole national discourse is that nobody's had the imagination to replace that evil concept with a sufficiently appealing alternative. "Racial politeness." That is PERFECT. And long, long overdue.

It makes me think of Dr. Laura, whom I listened to years ago, and one of her big themes when people called in whose relatives/co-workers were driving them crazy, was "You don't have to like them; you only have to be polite." Say what you want about Dr. Laura (I quit listening to her), but I have found that bit of advice to stand the test of personal experience.

Spread it far and wide, people: RACIAL POLITENESS.

180

Posted by: Sir Explain-a-lot at August 13, 2010 02:46 PM (WOOlH)

Well said sir.  This ethnocentric tribalist is grateful for your exposition of the relevant terminology.  It is one of my cultural predilections to enjoy clear language.  It's a valuable thing these days when so many people launch assaults on my philosophical and political-philosophical beliefs.  It provides a solid footing for defense and attack.

181 Posted by: Christopher Calandro at August 13, 2010 02:50 PM (EXzHo)

I think there is a little bit of "dirty conservative" in everyone.  Everyone is complex and has in their make up in their thinking all their experiences that have gone before and their frame of reference.   It's more about how we communicate and what we learn through that communication which may start to set the "thinking person group" apart from the "herd group".  I think the separation is beginning.

182

when people who say "one of my own kind" and and mean race are not treated with deference as for example, Shirley Sherrod and Sotomayor were treated, then and only then will I listen to lectures about racial harmony from groups that use that same language to describe their particular minority group today ...

To be clear I don't think of "my kind" as white or male and never will. In general terms I am not defined by my race or gender nor do I expect to be treated a particular way because of those "traits". 

But today, because 200 years ago white men enslaved blacks I am constantly reminded that "my kind" was once slave owners. Check, I get it.  In the past there were white male slave owners in America, I am a white male in America today thus I am stained with that historical fact and nothing I can say or do can erase that stain (not the historical fact) from the minds of some. 

183

Ace, you wrote a very long segment of rape jokes, somewhere in the midst of the Pat Caddell stuff.

I wondered where the funny was in that.

Any thoughts about those?

184 Mr. Scribbler, I just find ebonics just tasteless and classless and race-baiting, and have urged people to stop, so I found your assertion sort of a challenge.

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:41 PM (QbA6l)

My favorite example of how the Left uses Ebonics and gets a total pass is Danziger's editorial cartoon of Condoleeza Rice as Prissy.

185 All the young conservatives I know are dirty, very dirty.

186 Hell, Ace has a unused condom in his wallet that's 28.

187 >>>I can see your point...but go to ANY black blog and see how they talk about whites, Latinos, Asians...and even other blacks. Right, but if I read those blogs, I'd be pissed off and offended. I know I would be. >>>I'm black and I've not been offended by what I read on this blog (okay, well, some stuff has been borderline offensive). I think you do a good job of monitoring this site, though. I just started reading conservative blogs a year ago, and this is one of the few that I come to every day. Mainly for the laughs. It's not that bad, no, and some people seem to think I'm screaming racist and that I "hate my readers" as some have said. But there are issues here. The work issue, which I forgot about, is kinda big . Even if someone rejects all forms of "PC" (even those I would just call good manners and racial politeness) one cannot pretend that businesses do likewise. People have to remember the general "Safe for Work" thing. Porn is a no go for that reason, obviously... but businesses consider racial stuff right up there with porn. Anyway, I don't like when blacks talk smack about my race so I assume as a general matter they don't like it if I talk smack about theirs (yours).

188 186 All the young conservatives I know are dirty, very dirty.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at August 13, 2010 02:56 PM (xO+6C)

Any chance you could provide me with some telephone numbers?

189 Posted by: sydney jane at August 13, 2010 02:51 PM (T8h7U)

I have a friend who has been a commenter on a black blog for two years now.  The other day he told them he was white.  OMG, there reaction was too funny.  It never occurred to them that someone who wasn't black would be commenting on what they consider a black blog with the implication that you would only post if you were black.  They are in a tizzy since they like him and he's a valuable poster.  And, his little announcement came as part of a post so it was just like a statement of fact.  (no i won't link the blog, it's not right, but my friend is all upset, he loves the blog and doesn't want to lose his blog friends)

190 A close friend of mine does black podcasts. He is married to a white woman. She's incredibly pissed off at what they say. I found that interesting since, as a white woman, I don't get to hear private black conversations and she does albeit electronically. So, I guess, in reality, every group has their insensitivties.

191

Ebonics are out? I hope my passable (and genetically engrained) hillbilly is still allowable. Duz you-uns knowed tha diffrence? (dang, every time I talk like that it makes me want to bang a cousin).

192

185 Mr. Scribbler, I just find ebonics just tasteless and classless and race-baiting, and have urged people to stop, so I found your assertion sort of a challenge.

But the two black guys in Airplane were hysterical.  Is that not funny anymore?

193 >>>Ace, you wrote a very long segment of rape jokes, somewhere in the midst of the Pat Caddell stuff. >>>I wondered where the funny was in that. >>>Any thoughts about those? I thought they were funny, other people did too. Want to know one difference? No one reads those thinking I am a rapist or endorsing that. With a black joke or hostility to blacks -- people do tend to suspect you think that way. I don't understand the constant push-back on this issue. I don't understand all the argument. That is, the assertion which seems to be being made is that we shouldn't be all concerned about race, or something like that, right? So why is it when I say tread carefully when discussing race it's suddenly this huge issue? I thought we shouldn't be so concerned about it... if so, what harm is there in treating it delicately?

194 tl/dr....now if you'll excuse me, i'm late for my hitler youth meeting. Seriously though, if you want to see some actual racism, go to any liberal blog and watch how they talk about whites. The hatred they have for whites is palpable.

195

What reason is there in that?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 13, 2010 02:48 PM (5TNVe)

Because the Oakland teachers only wanted Ebonics recognized as equivalent to standard English so that they could instantly get credit for improving test scores in their classrooms.  They wouldn't have had to keep struggling to teach standard English and could have claimed that students fluent in the "Ebonics" dialect were fully up to grade level.

And then those teachers would have felt absolutely no compunction or pangs of guilt for sending their students out into the world without the ability to read, write or speak standard English.  So what if those young adults couldn't ever find a decent-paying legitimate job?  Not the teachers' problem.

196 I think you'd be surprised at how many black readers there are here. No, not just baldilocks. Why would you want to say anything that might upset a fellow moron?

197 My take on racial sensitivity issues:

If someone thinks you

198 Why would you want to say anything that might upset a fellow moron?

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 03:02 PM (QbA6l)

You don't visit the ONT, do you?

199

I just wondered about an extended section of rape jokes and wondered about it. Seemed like a good time to ask, since you are on right now.

 

 

200

But the two black guys in Airplane were hysterical.  Is that not funny anymore?

Posted by: joejm65 at August 13, 2010 03:01 PM (DRcw3)

And so was Beaver Cleaver's mom, and one notes that she used the N-word without hesitation, which made it even funnier -- like she was a true speaker of "jive."

201 If someone thinks you

Posted by: Philosopher at August 13, 2010 03:03 PM (WOOlH)

*points and laughs*

I think.

202 In summary, read what you write twice before you post.

If you are angry, take a minute to read something else, then read what you wrote twice, then post.

If you are pissed off and pounding on your keyboard, erase what you wrote, think about it for a minute, then rewrite it, reread it twice, and then post.

98% less likely to contain potential racial undertones.

203

 thought we shouldn't be so concerned about it... if so, what harm is there in treating it delicately?

Well, kind of like that little Mosque in NYC.

You can't avoid it. Skipping around it does no one any good.

204

Good post, Ace. And yes, we've noticed you getting just a little testy about the comments lately. But this is your place, we respect that, mostly.

If there really are 100 readers for every comment, then you really do have something to be proud of. I haven't been anywhere else where the comments are as thought-provoking and informative as here. I call this blog "mental Wheaties" for a very good reason.

I was raised in Alabama during the Wallace era so I've seen racism and bigotry all close up and personal like. I got my little ass forcibly dragged away from water fountains, too, when it was hotter than hell and all I wanted was a drink. That kind of shit cut both ways, but you'd never know it from listening to the professional race hustlers like Wright, Jackson, Holder, and all the others.

In my other life as a musician, you won't find racism in my genre, the blues. Either you can play or you can't. If you get a reputation for being a bigot, regardless of your race, I can guarantee that you won't be getting many gigs. And rightfully so. This bullshit of judging someone solely on the color of their skin automatically reduces your IQ down into the low eighties, max. Anyone who thinks that way just isn't thinking, period. Those of us who aren't racist, and there are quite a few who don't share my skin color, once had great fun mocking racists.

But that was then. This administration has done more to set race relations back 50 years than any other single thing I can point to. It truly sickens me that we were almost to the point of race becoming a non-issue, only to have it dreged up from the past in order to be used as a political weapon by those who clearly don't like our country and want it to be fundamentally transformed into someplace that is unrecognizable to us.

205 There has *got* to be a better term to describe ourselves than "dirty conservative".

I've used "Southpark Conservative" but I'm not sure it that's it either.




Dirty Conservative is good. Same basic idea as PJ O'Rourke's Republican Party Reptiles, but without slaving it to the GOP intelligencia by using the "R" word.

No to Southpark Conservative. That phrase was either invented or made famous by Milky Glutes, so you can toss that one.

206 Hell, Ace has a unused condom in his wallet that's 28.

Posted by: Rich at August 13, 2010 02:57 PM (Qrjpn)

What makes you think it's unused?

"The Regiment voted for a new one!"

207

192 I learned one over and over last month in WV.

"avuhgoodun".

It is used to mean good-bye but I think it translates as "have a good one" which I suppose means, "I hope that you have a nice day."

208 Oh and my friend began posting on the black blog when he lost his job on WS and he was home mostly day trading and would go to that blog when he wanted a little break from the three screen and all the charts.  He is a white frat boy to the core and he love his black blog friends.  It occurred to me that they might not have given him a chance to be him if he had announced himself with "hello, I'm an ex WS guy, just lost my job and I'm day trading but I'm your typical preppy WS frat boy to the core, so how are you all doin?"  Heck, they might not have given him a chance if they were all at a party together in the same room.  Cause they would have made a lot of dump assumptions about what a typical frat boy preppy WS guy would think and do and decide he wasn't worth their time....

209 Great post, Ace.  You're a savvy 28 and-a-half year older.  Your point about the "dirty conservative" niche is especially insightful.  I'm a clean conservative for the most part -- Christian, married for 36 years, don't drink, bla bla bla -- but I have always kind of hated my ilk.  Especially the Baptists.  (Sorry, Baptists, but you piss me off.  And BTW, Charles Stanley got a divorce.)

Anyway, I hear you on the race stuff.  I hate it when fellow conservatives vent on this issue.  Every society has taboo areas:  you go there, you pay.  Race is a taboo area.  Eric Holder can whine all he wants about how cowardly we are but he's a disingenuous ass.  We don't and shouldn't talk about race because it has been roped off as a toxic waste dump for intellectual discussion.  Guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton did the roping off and they're the only ones who can open it back up.  White people cannot and should not try.

210 >>>My guess is that a lot of the race comments here are a visceral reaction to being blamed for the ills of an entire race (by race mongers) for something you're pretty sure you had no part in. I understand that but there is the old saw about two wrongs not equaling a right. Also there's just the general thing about anger. Anger is incredibly useful and honestly I am always posting stories deliberately because i know they will make people angry. Anger wins elections. But... anger also looks unattractive to those outside. It's not that I don't understand and all that. I am campaigning, as I often do, for just thinking and not dashing off any hot, angry remark when race comes up. Anger is useful but anger guided by control and cunning is even more useful.

211

i come here because where else will you see the Main Man use the work fucking 3 times in one sentence..........

good post Ace............

212

Rule of thumb: if the same comment (or same tone) about your own group would kinda sorta tick you off, it will probably do the same when leveled at other people

Sometimes I think some people need to do a better job of qualifying some of their statements -- some of those comments do come across as very rude and bigoted (and not in a naughty but nice, fun n dirty kind of way).  I realize that sometimes things slip, and hell, everyone is a bit of a bigot -- but you can at least try not to be, or admit that you are and try to not be.

I think the arguement "well, "they" do it to us" is a cop out -- being pissed at people for being racist is fine, because it's wrong (just like it's ok to be nasty with islamofascists -- they're assholes; they deserve to be given the stinkeye), but being rude and bigoted at a whole group of people because somebody from that group does it to your group?  Isn't that two wrongs?

213

Posted by: dagny at August 13, 2010 03:06 PM (ENp+J)

Them W. Virginia hillbillies is ignernt. We-uns hyear in tha Okarks is much mor suphistakatyed, aincahnowed.

214

In my other life as a musician, you won't find racism in my genre, the blues. Either you can play or you can't. If you get a reputation for being a bigot, regardless of your race, I can guarantee that you won't be getting many gigs. And rightfully so. This bullshit of judging someone solely on the color of their skin automatically reduces your IQ down into the low eighties, max. Anyone who thinks that way just isn't thinking, period. Those of us who aren't racist, and there are quite a few who don't share my skin color, once had great fun mocking racists.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 13, 2010 03:05 PM (kFODZ)

Booker T. Washington's point exactly.  Up from Slavery, Ch. X:

  My experience is that there is something in human nature which always makes an individual recognize and reward merit, no matter under what colour of skin merit is found. I have found, too, that it is the visible, the tangible, that goes a long ways in softening prejudices. The actual sight of a first-class house that a Negro has built is ten times more potent than pages of discussion about a house that he ought to build, or perhaps could build.   

  The same principle of industrial education has been carried out in the building of our own wagons, carts, and buggies, from the first. We now own and use on our farm and about the school dozens of these vehicles, and every one of them has been built by the hands of the students. Aside from this, we help supply the local market with these vehicles. The supplying of them to the people in the community has had the same effect as the supplying of bricks, and the man who learns at Tuskegee to build and repair wagons and carts is regarded as a benefactor by both races in the community where he goes. The people with whom he lives and works are going to think twice before they part with such a man.

  The individual who can do something that the world wants done will, in the end, make his way regardless of his race. One man may go into a community prepared to supply the people there with an analysis of Greek sentences. The community may not at that time be prepared for, or feel the need of, Greek analysis, but it may feel its need of bricks and houses and wagons. If the man can supply the need for those, then, it will lead eventually to a demand for the first product, and with the demand will come the ability to appreciate it and to profit by it.

215

Thoughtful post ace.  I come here several times a day, enjoy the comments (for the most part) and usually leave a little more enlightened.  The morons and moronettes here are extremely bright, funny people.  There will always be some people that will post things I find offensive (like the gay stuff).  Don't get me wrong some of it's funny, but some of it just isn't.  I usually just write that person off and try not to let it bother me.  I don't know how many black readers you have here, or gay ones either but if I steered a gay person to this site (which I have) and they saw some of the comments, they would be turned off by it.  But then again, maybe they should try having a little thicker skin.  There's always going to be people who don't like gays or are uncomfortable around them.  There's always going to be racism (not saying there is HERE).  Just a fact of life. 

I'm babbling...

216 My take on racial sensitivity issues:

If you want people to think you are talking to your buddies over the lunch pail at the construction site, act like it. They will.

There are ways to be blunt when you have to or is needed. And then there are ways you yourself can be blunt. Exactly as is defined in the dictionary: "having an obtuse, thick, or dull edge or point; rounded; not sharp."

Choose well. 

217

I'm 63, and by reading this blog everyday, I truly have realized that I'm a true conservative, even though I spent most of my life thinking I was a liberal.

Posted by: Sharon in Ky at August 13, 2010 03:10 PM (6VFW4)

Yes, but what we really want to know is, are you a hot GILF?

218 My son goes to an almost all white catholic school. There are about 10 black guys in his whole class but they eat lunch together every day. Some of the kids are intimidated by them but my son loves to go over, sit down, and say, "Hello brothers, what is going down with you today? I notice that you bought new Nike boots. They are very attractive." That type of thing. They think it's funny as shit and they are all his friends. Like he says, they know they're black like he knows he's half guido. So what?

219 BTW- can I just "claim" that I am a hot 30 year old woman?

220 >>>This administration has done more to set race relations back 50 years than any other single thing I can point to. I would make the suggestion it's actually advanced race relations a great deal, but not in the way it set out to do. There is a new normal coming when the Race Card is indeed maxed out and we will all be relating a little bit differently. This regime of PC thuggery you hate, I think, is coming to an end. Okay, not an end, but a noticeable diminishment. But that also means that something needs to replace it, and for that, I suggest common manners and what I've termed racial politeness. It is beginning to get ridiculous to hear about racism racism racism from our black president and black Attorney general. A lot of people don't want to hear it anymore. I get that. I don't either. But: There is a new normal coming, I think, where the race card is diminished, and thus, where we don't have to be so resentful and angry at each other. Which means we can sort of start just being politer, since minorities will, to put it bluntly, not have a PC gun pointed at our heads for much longer. Since external restraints will be loosened, I think it is good to have more internal restraint. I also think that Obama is a disaster, and this is going to turn a lot of blacks off, and we are, of course, the natural alternative... if we extend ourselves to greet them. A lot? Nah, but like I keep saying, 5% of 13% is pretty big in this 50/50 country. At the end of the day we are all Americans. Now, if that was too maudlin, then try the joke: You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

221

Posted by: stuiec at August 13, 2010 03:02 PM (7AOgy)

My recollection was that they were most interested in the money they would get for, all of a sudden, having tons of ESL students.  Of course, I recalled that it was in LA, so my memory isn't the most trustworthy source on this.

222 The issue of "race" in all it's forms and the issue of "religion" in all its forms are the two elephants in the American room right now.  These are huge issues and people aren't seeing how really really huge they are going to become.  I have a very close friend who is an uber christain who hates the way christains are lumped together into a political group to be courted as if they have group think and are of one mind which just isn't so.  I recently said to his old aunt "remember Jesus could have hung out with the power elite but instead he chose the fishermen and he himself was a carpenter and he hung out with the beggars and the prostitutes"...we were at a wedding, her response was to say "hmmm" and say she had to go to the ladies room and then avoid me for the rest of the night.  It is now a running joke.

223 Thank goodness you are not 28. That was a very humbling thought when it seemed true. Can I ride a hobby horse? The use of the term "n-word" bugs the living daylights out of me. It is so childish, and demonstrates how political correctness has castrated adult behavior in this country. But, it turns out, the adult thing to do is use the term "n-word" instead of the actual word - - regardless of the context - - because use of the actual word is so fraught with misunderstanding and angry emotional impact. True, it is the dismal level of juvenile discourse and thinking which makes the actual word that way, but the level of discourse is just a plain fact. If a guy can get fired for using the word "niggardly" in conversation, the level is pretty low, and you just know his firing was not an anomaly. Ace is absolutely correct, we must bring an almost clinical approach in this area. Yes, it is necessitated by bullshit, but it is nonetheless necessary if we are to make political progress, not to mention human progress. Otherwise, it is self-indulgent. I do not know a single person, literally, who could not use some personal event as justification for showing racial disdain. We have to be logical, though, and consistent, and better than what our emotions are instigating within us. This is a great country, so far, under mortal threat, and now is not the time to be resentful or disdainful, if we intend to get folks on board with a pov which is so alien to them because they are narrow minded, uncurious and totally propagandized. I have not seen a time when so many of those folks are getting on board. Let's not wreck that. We need these folks on board to continue our greatness, not to mention to remain free.

224

You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

What you mean, human?

225

#173 Posted by: Sir Explain-a-lot at August 13, 2010 02:46 PM (WOOlH)

I've been thinking about that a lot recently.  Good post on the spectrum of opinion in question.  Reminds me of a passage from Death of the Netherlands (samizdat, banned and burned by the Dutch government). 

There was real institutional and de jure racism based on the 'science!' of the day.  After 1964 that's mostly history and examples are crushed with legal process.  Science, through genetics and anthropology, no longer recognizes race as types of people or creates the infamous heirarchies of the Ninteenth Century. 

Fast forward to today.  Opposing 'ameloriative' (some pigs are more ameliorated than others) racial discrimination in the form of affirmative action -- favoring equal treatment for everyone -- opens you up to a charge of racism.       

As the Left has lost actual racists to fight they've moved on Quixotically, Charles Johnsony?, to finding racists behind every bush.  And then quietly moved on to racial balkanization and various types of unequal justice (cultural defense, segregated dorms, special rights for Muslims, always assigning race on every form...) themselves.    

226

You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

That depends on whether they are fucking leftards or not.

227 Fantastic, brilliant, totally awesome post, Charles...er..Ace.

228

Yes, but what we really want to know is, are you a hot GILF?

Posted by: stuiec at August 13, 2010 03:13 PM (7AOgy)

Stuie's on our welcoming committee, Sharon.

229 228 MadDog,

correct if the aliens promise universal health care, verternary in their minds but I digress, and to "take the conservatives on the tour(to the slaughterhouse) first then you are correct the leftbats will surrender.

230 Mr. Scribbler, I just find ebonics just tasteless and classless
Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 02:41 PM (QbA6l)

Oh shit, do jokes from Airplane! featuring made up ebonics count? I'm serious. I didn't think it was crossing a line.........

231

Rule of thumb: if the same comment (or same tone) about your own group would kinda sorta tick you off, it will probably do the same when leveled at other people

Maybe.  You know, following 2 simple rules would clean up about 75% of the racial stuff that I see on AOSHQ:

1). Don't ever use the N-word, unless you can prove you're Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, or any rapper pre-1995, when rap was REAL (and good luck proving you're Richard Pryor).

2). Do not refer to Michele Obama as a 'wookie'.  She's not hairy enough to be a wookie, so it's a dumb nickname to start with.  Aunt Esther is also a no-no.  I like my term - Sexy Arms - because it pokes fun at both her and the media that created the myth of her sexy arms, and it's non-racial.  Angelina Jolie also has sexy arms.  It's a term that transends color.  Try it. 

232

You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

And then we will rape them.

233 I come for the Dirty Conservatism and stay for the snark.

234 Anger may be an energy, as John Lydon said, but anger is not an argument

Wow, PIL reference? Not bad.

235 229,

you never know where the boundaries are unless reminded from time to time.



"dpwn to earth" conservatives like the mainbody of the group here have a duty to reach out to those minorities who can be reached....I am only "racist" inasmuch as i refuse to cave to racially based giveaways.....

I am tribalist as a free market follower of Locke....

joining my "tribe" only requires you reject codified theft and want all people to be free to go as far as they can morally.

236 Do not refer to Michele Obama as a 'wookie'.

You can have the word "wookie" when you pry it from my cold, dead keyboard.

237 @ Jehu at August 13 2pm I am an American. I have no keeper. Repeat this 'til you get it.

238 223 JoeJM,

I'll put "wookie and aunt esther" totally away when Dubya gets an apology for all the chimpy jokes.

239

Do not refer to Michele Obama as a 'wookie'.  She's not hairy enough to be a wookie, so it's a dumb nickname to start with.  Aunt Esther is also a no-no.  I like my term - Sexy Arms - because it pokes fun at both her and the media that created the myth of her sexy arms, and it's non-racial.  Angelina Jolie also has sexy arms.  It's a term that transends color.  Try it. 

Is lard ass okay?

240 We can end this race card politics anytime we want and yet white people stand around and act like cowards when black people pretend to be victims of racial discrimination. This is the biggest opportunity to destroy liberalism in our time we are ever going to get and what do we see? A bunch of chicken manure Republicans who are so tone-deaf and so unimaginative that they can't make this the centerpiece of destroying the Democratic Party year after year... In this particular case we have the Democratic-controlled Congress and a Black Democrat President - all of whom have failed to deliver anything of value for our people. They just stole money and the Republicans aren't able to capitalize on this. Now why do you suppose that is? Republicans love the race card game. The GOP raises millions of dollars off of pissed off conservatives who grab their checkbooks every time someone plays the race card. That's the real truth here. It would stop if there was actually harm being done to the GOP/RNC machine. You know that. They would find a way to outlaw anything that disturbs the money machine, but it goes on and on and on. We need to save ourselves by putting an end to our support for the Republican Party and vote and give money only to Tea Parties and Libertarians who want the answer and an end to the race card money machine politics of the Republicans and Democrats.

241 59

Ace,

I have to disagree on one point - do you really believe that people are coming here who have not made up their minds about their political leanings?  That can be persuaded to vote republican or for conservatives?

I doubt that.  My guess is that 99.8% of the people who come to this site are either already in the choir (i.e., righties who already vote and are politically engaged) or come here to throw stones at the choir (lefties who already vote and are politically engaged).

Posted by: Monkeytoe

Going to have to disagree with you on this one. I have personally sent the link out to plenty of liberals and indi's to this website. People just like me that just havent found the access to the information they are craving. And I know if i send the link out, there are others on this blog who are, as ace says, ready to chew glass to get the word out to win in November. IMHO posting racist comments and firing back at those comments/commenters just perpetuates the cycle. Like getting made fun of in grade school, i learned at a young age (as a ginger kid named Jack) that not responding to the critisism and "jokes" of others made them lose interest in even saying them. Now can this work on a national level? Im guessing its a slim to none chance. But on a blog like this, i would say it has a better shot.

242 You know we're all gonna be on the same side bent over and probed when the space aliens come right?

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 03:14 PM (QbA6l)

FIFY.

243 Posted by: joejm65 at August 13, 2010 03:20 PM (DRcw3)

I was on an escalator in Nordstrom's with two black dudes who kept calling each other the n word incessantly.  I finally turned around and asked them to stop using the word since they were making me and everyone else on the escalator uncomfortable.  They were shocked that I would do that but everyone else on the escalator seemed to agree via body language and shaking of heads.  The conversation that ensued mostly centered around how a tiny little white chick like me would dare to take to two really really tall white dudes that way...like essentially 'are you a black belt or something not being afraid to talk to us like that"...bottom line, they stopped with the n word and were all of a sudden very nice and respectful with me.  That's just not usually my nature but there were lots of kids who could hear them and I thought it was just plain wrong,  so I spoke up.

244 244 CbI,

you can have your probe back when you've pried it from Andi Sulli's cold hard glutes green man!

245

When it first hit the cablewaves, the new police drama Memphis Beat was reviewed by someone (whose name escapes me) over at PJ Media. The reviewer was somewhat surprised at all the race-neutral dialogue. I chimed in that, in most parts of the country, and definitely down here where I live, that surprisingly race-neutral dialogue is the norm, not the exception.

Just as it should be, IMHO.

246 Ace - you give good post (for a White Guy).  A lot of us are in the same boat as MaxMBJ, so the trick is to stretch it "just enough".   In fact, I was in a small group guys bible study at my last church that were all of the Moron persuasion (they occasionally drop by here).   

The M&Ms generally get the balance right, but once in a while, the line gets crossed.  Not surprising - in the midst of the fun, it's easy to go too far (I should know - I seem to do it far to often among my colleagues).  And of course, Morons have widely differing levels of tact and sensitivity (did I REALLY use Morons and sensitivity in the same sentence?).

 Race is a hot potato - I should know, since I taught for a few years at a Historically Black College.    I was amazed at the little unexpected differences in the students' (about 98% black) cultural experiences relative to mine.   Some of it is generational (I'm closer to codgerhood than not), but I found a lot of minorities that are looking for any excuse to be offended (and they'll almost always find it).  My fellow "minority whites" at the college were constantly self-censoring.

Keep up the good work. 

As an aside, it was the jokes about Laura's Hump that kept me initially coming back to AOS.

247 You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

but who will be our leader? Ace or Kratos? something to think about...

 

248 249 Rcefan,

I'm thinking with our luck it'll be that Led Zepplin late night troll.....

normal humans will run to the meat processing plant.

249

You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

And then we will rape them.

But first, they will blow me.

250 Now that the race stuff has been re-reclarified for us, do I have to change my nickname?

251 Long time lurker; first time poster. I'm an independent libertarian-ish voter in a swing state. South Park expresses my sentiments better than anything else that comes to mind. I try and get a broad swath of the political spectrum in my reading (TPM and Sullivan are as far left as I can stomach) and AoS represents right bulwark in my RSS reader. I appreciate Ace's sentiments. I was born and raised in small town in the deep south and you don't go through that experience without a little racial baggage. I detest political correctness, but I do employ the "could I say this to my black friends" test. My point is that there are some persuadables lurking about and although I'm not easily offended, some comments here have raised an eyebrow. Maybe that means I'm not cool enough to be a regular, but there you go. The nice subtext to Ace's post is that while he recognizes his niche, he doesn't want to cater to it to the exclusion of folks on the margins. That's a relief; especially when compared to libertarian blogs that care more about maintaining their political hipster cred than changing minds. That's all ... reengaging cloaking device.

252

Is lard ass okay?

Only if you combine it with 'sludge garden'.

 

253

238  You can have the word "wookie" when you pry it from my cold, dead keyboard.

LOL.  Then don't go to HotAir.  'Wookie' has been on their filter for quite some time now.  I think they even filtered 'w**kie'. 

254 255,

ed mr. softy and AllahSquish clamped down on that hard when the initial pushback against Worf being "the new jackie O" started

255

"Wookie" is appropriate because Michelle moves the same way Chewbacca did:  lumbering, with stiff arms that hung down like anvils and didn't swing normally.

Really.  Watch Star Wars again.  It never occurred to me there was anything racist about that nickname.  Which means I must be a racist.

Oh, God, I (my nickname). . .

256 LOL.  Then don't go to HotAir.

I can't even remember my password for there.  I was a regular commenter on there when it started.  Allah actually set me up manually. 

But it got filled with unsufferable asses long ago.  Some people here rip on Ed and Allah, and indeed I think they're not so much squishy as gun shy.  It's the asshole commenters I can't stand.

257 I suspect that I am one of the 100. I actually read this blog pretty religiously, have been since 2004, and often (2 or 3 times a week) read the whole overnight thread. This is probably only my seventh or eighth comment on the site. I have to say, I think Ace is 100% correct. The whole point of all these efforts has got to be to take back our government. ANYTHING that detracts from that has got to take second fiddle to anything else. Also, it is Ace's place, his bread and butter, he is the one who has built up the brand credibility. Let me give a slightly different perspective that I think might shed some light on this. I am a member of the LDS church (you know, a Mormon). I used to read Scott Ott's site Scrappleface pretty regularly. I thought he was a pretty funny guy that had a real insight into some of the absurdities of the whole political game. One time, during the 2008 Presidential campaign, he posted a piece on Mitt Romney that derived its dubious humor from an extended nasty portrayal of his religion. At that point, I stopped reading Scott Ott. Permanently. He is an Evangelical religious bigot, whose like I have run into hundreds of times. I am not interested in anything further he has to say, and I make a point of avoiding anything he is connected with. I know that I am not the only person who feels like this, a couple of fellow Mormons posted the same thoughts in the comment thread to his Scrappleface post. Now, it is pretty easy for me to put myself in the place of an African-American (or even someone of another race who is sensitive about racial matters) who might be interested in seeing what a "Dirty Conservative" might look like who comes here, is sort of intrigued by what he sees, then starts reading the comments. The moment, though, they run into some of the racially charged stuff, they say, "Oh, it is just another bunch of racist bigots, I am out of here." and are gone, never to return. Anyway, Ace, keep up the good work, and keep fighting the good fight. The 99%.

258

256 255,

ed mr. softy and AllahSquish clamped down on that hard when the initial pushback against Worf being "the new jackie O" started

Yeah, that was classic.  The new Jackie O.  LOL out loud...

259 I really don't know how anyone could apply such a nasty label to such a lovely sweet woman.

260 Ace, now that I've learned you're only 29, does that mean I have to stop having certain thoughts about you?

261 Ace, now that I've learned you're only 29, does that mean I have to stop having certain thoughts about you?

Posted by: I Denounce Myself at August 13, 2010 03:35 PM (y5VNb)

Why yes.  I did just throw up in my mouth.

262 What I find irksome about this post, with which I otherwise agree, is the embedded assumption that crudity = veracity. I fear that is an artifact of the Kultursmog  in which we live.

263 Ace, now that I've learned you're only 29, does that mean I have to stop having certain thoughts about you?

Posted by: I Denounce Myself at August 13, 2010 03:35 PM (y5VNb)

Why yes.  I did just throw up in my mouth.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 13, 2010 03:37 PM (5aa4z)

 

Herr,

I apologize for making you ill, but Ace & his band of Merry Morons & Moronettes are, for the most part, my Internet Dennis Miller:  Brains like yours are sexy as heck.

Signed,

(my nickname)

264 Oh, and Herr, no disrespect to your wife, but I think your brain is sexy, too.

265 You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?

Posted by: ace at August 13, 2010 03:14 PM (QbA6l)

Maybe.  If the Aliens just want a few million humans for food/testing/slaves or whatever, I say we pay them off with Leftists.  Round up the ACLU, DNC, NAMBLA, CAIR, and other such types and let peace reign.

266

Hey, if I hit "return" twice, a little line shows up in my posts!

Can you tell I very rarely post?

267

 I fear that is an artifact of the Kultursmog  in which we live.

Thanks for making me look that up.  Seriously.

268

233 I don't call Meanchelle a wookie, or a klingon -- because it really doesn't get to the point, imho, of what's really awful about the woman -- her mentality.  Besides, aren't Wookies supposed to be nice?  I don't find anything remotely Wookie like about Michelle.

"Aunt Esther" jokes kind of work -- because Aunt Esther was a mean, snarly cow of a woman whose face showed her inner self, and Michelle is indeed that.  Again, it's about the mentality.

269 Oh, and Herr, no disrespect to your wife, but I think your brain is sexy, too.

Posted by: I Denounce Myself at August 13, 2010 03:39 PM (y5VNb)

Woo Hoo!

You're a chick, right?

270 Of course.  And I refer to myself as a chick.  Everything but feathers.  But I refuse to grow up to be a chicken, 'cuz I know what happens to them on this site. . . . .

271

Besides, aren't Wookies supposed to be nice? 

Not really.  Chewie was always arguing with Harrison Ford  Also, from wikipedia:

Adult Wookiees are typically taller than most humans, averaging 2.1 meters (6'11").^[2] They possess enormous strength; Solo states that his friend Chewbacca can pull a man's arms out of their sockets if angered. Wookiees have a keen sense of smell, are fully covered with a thick coat of hair, have good hand-eye coordination andare shown to be excellent marksmen. Chewbacca is shown in such diverse planets and moons as Hoth, Tatooine and Endor, never requiring any type of environmental protective clothing. Wookiees have a lifespan of several hundred years.^[

272 Thanks for making me look that up.  Seriously.

It's a useful word, isn't it? It's a coinage of R. Emmett Tyrell of the American Spectator.

273 I think one of the failures of our efforts to reach racial harmony is that we try to join people together by affection/respect of each other.  A far more effective thing would be to join us all together out of hatred of something else.  If only we did indeed have space aliens to hate!  But there are plenty here on earth who warrant hating.  If we could somehow persuade non-whites to turn their normal human anger/resentment/fear/wrath against the Left and against Islam, I think we'd be way closer to finding common cause.   

274 a black, a white, a redskin, a raghead, and a wookie, walked into a bar. the black, white, and redskinned guys all had some beers and had a great time...... but that raghead and wookie didnt..........  they just looked at each other real funny if you know what i mean........

275

275  You have a good point.  I'm here because I hate statists, commies, and affiliated fascist scum.

I stay for the funny.

276 Do not refer to Michele Obama as a 'wookie'.  She's not hairy enough to be a wookie, so it's a dumb nickname to start with.  Aunt Esther is also a no-no.  I like my term - Sexy Arms - because it pokes fun at both her and the media that created the myth of her sexy arms, and it's non-racial.  Angelina Jolie also has sexy arms.  It's a term that transends color.  Try it. 

I always thought 'Klingon' was most fitting.

277 273 Ahh, but it says nothing about them being evil hearted, spoiled rotten witches -- I rest my case

278 278,

hence our reference to her as "Worf"....which lends itself to the double entendre....

Bury and the Worf

279 Just got back. Good thing I didn't miss anything while I was gone. You know, like a 5 page essay on race. I love how we're being lectured about sensitivity from a man who has a quote up about slitting throats. Oh dear, let's not be rude. At some point you imagine Ace will say, "Oh, that quote? That was the last Dread Pirate Ace. I'm far more polite than him. And in truth he was already the 7th Dread Pirate Ace." So we should all be on the look out for "covert" racism. Which means tip toe through the PC meadow as not to offend our cultural overlords the left. Honestly, I haven't seen anything I'd call racism overt or otherwise on the site. If there was I'm sure every other commenter would tear them apart. And as for our simmering rage? Tough luck. Ace, if I tell you not to be angry about your 40% chance of a shitty train ride will that in any way prevent you from being angry? It sure didn't prevent you from writing about it. If someone stumbles upon this site I'm pretty sure racial insensitivity is the least of their worries. I'm sure they'll be frightened off by the growing masturbatory Megyn Kelly cult long before we can offend them on a race-based level. And more importantly, if a black person gets to this site and has a problem with a commenter you know what he can do? Comment. Fight words with words. And if someone is too thin-skinned to run at the first hint of rudeness they aren't ready for the real world let alone the cutthroat world of politics. Sites like Hot Air have already gone overboard with censoring speech and being hyper-PC. Don't go down that road. I enjoy this site. And in the time I've been here I haven't even heard anything cringe-worthy when it comes to race.

280

I always thought 'Klingon' was most fitting.

Me too, but I'm all in on 'Sexy Arms' now.  I can't go back...

 

281 Good manners alone should dictate against making racist statements. I don't see how any argument can advance that at its base requires the insult of an entire group of people. I can only agree with you, Ace, and it is one reason I come here -- there's little overt racism that I can see yet the wit continues to flow on these pages.

That said, let's be wary of interlopers using race-bashing in order to bring shame on this blog. You know it happens. Further, let us also be even-handed with the enforcement of the issue -- if it's wrong to denigrate black people at a racist level then it is also wrong to denigrate any other skin color, including white morons like myself.

I already get enough insults from those who know me.

282 Reactionary: rather a good point, although I wouldn't put it that way. The way I see it is that it's wrong to judge others simply by externalities, to place them in set groups based upon superficial features or habits and judge them based upon that. NO ONE likes to be hated because of their skin color, for example.

I was taught not to hate, to try to find the good in everyone. That's why my whole life I have sought to find common ground with liberals, something on which we could agree so that we could get along.  By now, however, I've learned that you can't get along with someone who doesn't want to. You can only hate them back. In fact, you must hate them as a matter of self-defense.

283

My team name on the AOSHQ Yahoo Football Pick'em is "New Black Panthers". do i have to change it now, I am am really not an NBP and would not like to offend a bunch of racists? Or am I just a racist for making fun of them?

My head hurts.

284 Actually, I think Michelle is not a Wookie. She is just a nasty, hateful, jealous,  spoiled, vindictive, privileged, elitist, leftard bitch. I like Wookies much better.

285 286 maddog,

she is a  lot like Hanharr the wookiee not Chewbacca

286 Full Moon: Good manners as the basis for an argument isn't going to cut it on this site. After all, good manners also dictate the avoidance of profanity and crudity. Good luck with that!

287 > What I see here is someone who wants to justify his
> tempter-tantrums as somehow useful to the cause.

He may not have said it perfectly but I didn't take that message from #131 at all.  It is better if you stand clearly FOR something, even with people who disagree with it.  And the Rs usually don't stand for anything, at best we muster a general opposition to the Ds but that isn't a position.  That a strong Alpha Male confidence works on a level below conscious thought, where reason doesn't go.

And he was spot on that the two times in recent memory when the Republicans made strong gains were the two times the average voter knew EXACTLY what the party stood for and intended to do.  Reagan had been talking about his views for years, everyone knew what he stood for and intended to do if elected.  Some liked it, some hated it but everyone was clear on what they were voting for.  And that while Reagan might compromise for tactical reasons or pick which fights to have, his beliefs were his beliefs and they weren't going to change regardless of popularity or political fortune.

Same for Newt & the Contract in 1994.  They promised votes on a list of issues and votes were held.  Some won, some lost but they did what they said they would do.  The problems came later when too many of the newly elected congresscritters went native.

If the bulk of the candidates for office in this cycle could come together and state plainly, clearly and confidently what they believed and intended to accomplish; that the power of attraction combined with the existing repulsion against the current misrule of the Dems would be game changing.  It would be the difference between winning an unusable (other than absorbing all the blame for everything that is wrong in 2012) bare majority in the House to winning a governing majority in the House and taking the Senate.

And part of that attraction would be rational, people reading the positions and arguments and deciding they are for it and an equal measure would be irrational reaction to the projection of confidence the act would entail.  People want strong leaders, not politicians and within limits a portion of the population will vote for a strong alpha leader they disagree with over a beta they agree with on policy.  This primitive reaction can be used for good or ill, but used it will be.

288 Sites like Hot Air have already gone overboard with censoring speech and being hyper-PC. Don't go down that road. I enjoy this site. And in the time I've been here I haven't even heard anything cringe-worthy when it comes to race.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 13, 2010 03:52 PM (WZFkG)

I've seen a few. I think likely posted by trolls that like to plant shit, but I agree, the commentor normally has there comment re-written and other commentors tear them apart in a new york minute.

289

283  Does this mean I can't go on any more rants about white-as-the-driven -snow-bread,schnitzel eatin' mofos and their genetic predisposition towards goose stepping and prediliction for cheesy little mustaches?

Damn...

290 I didn't read Ace's rant, but he's alive, white and not a redistributionist, so he's racist.

291

That "... there goes that 'guy' with the two assholes" joke just doesn't hit as hard as other versions. Sad, but it simply loses that shocking edge that triggers the forbidden (wink wink, ha ha funnier cuz we shared a bad word) laugh. Marginalizing people is just plain foolish. You miss out on getting to know really cool people. I miss Dave Chappelle's show. In re: to Ace's topic here, his blind kkk character was thought provoking and funny. I think he was making progress as far as anyone having a right to use "dirty words" to make a simple fucking joke. He managed to take it to a deeper social level while making racists look like the ignorant kool-aid drinking dumfucks they are. Hate and ignorance is one thing, but just because some dumbass sticks his gum under the desk, no one can chew gum in class anymore... especially not white guys! I know I won't change society's race issues, so I stay clear of those jokes these days. Last time I said one, I felt kinda stupid. I never ever ever said them the way fuck wad Michael Richards did, but that opened my eyes. Don't want to even have a chance of being grouped in with that dickhead. I can go without using THAT word, NBD. it simply isn't worth it. However, I do kinda resent anyone roundabout claiming ownership of language, though. So, why is cunt soooooo horrible versus bitch or whore or whatever, anyway? It sure gets a chick fired up for some reason. And it really doesn't stand a chance of marginalizing people, does it? Or does using that one make me a sexist? 

 

Hope I didn't come off as anything but human here.

292 It is good to know that I am a self-affirming Dirty Conservative and part of the Vast Right Wing Counter-insurgency.

293

I like wookies too.

Pick out the wookie in this picture:

http://tiny.cc/z5cwr

294 Ace, I do understand what you're saying, but does that mean that you are not worried about the coarsening of culture that's been happening since the Sixties? I don't mean on a moral level; more like an ethical one.

295 Does this mean I can't go on any more rants about white-as-the-driven -snow-bread,schnitzel eatin' mofos and their genetic predisposition towards goose stepping and prediliction for cheesy little mustaches?

Hey!

296 Ace, your hypocrisy is showing. Scandi's are not only fair game, they are actually promoted as luut-fish (sp) eating icebacks on this blog. Say something about watermelons and purple drank....

297

293  I don't have a problem with the c-word...but just as with "whore, bitch, etc." it is probably best to level it at a deserving person or group, not females in general.

In fact, that very thing got me into a bit of an internet tussle here one of the first times I posted, and I almost didn't come back.  At the time I was pretty pissed -- had a really low opinion of this place and the social group it appeals to off of that.

298 As a white man married to a gorgeous black woman, I think I have leave to speak about race (oddly, whenever I do, I feel I have to preface my comments. Why is that?) I have learned that colour has nothing to do with anything. I love most of my wife's family. Not all but, by the same token, I don't love all of my family either. What I wanted to note is Ace's trepidation regarding a group of rowdy black teenagers on the subway. I'll lay odds you don't have to white to feel that way. In my own experience, I have been victim of a home invasion, mugged and generally accosted or threatened in an "in your face" manner during my lifetime (not counting my wife's family. No, I kid.). If I take the time to add these incidents up, 80% of the time it was a black man or group of black men doing the deed. Now, if a large number of whites have similar experiences, read the police blotter or simply note the prison population relative to the overall population of the country, it's really difficult to divorce our feelings from the perception as white folks, don't you think? It's really difficult, at times, to maintain a stance of colour making no difference in the face of evidence to the contrary. Let's be honest with ourselves and admit that some actually have reason to be make racist statements while not being truly racist. A lot of the time I think it's just venting. 

299

297  I know, I know...you resemble that remark, right?

(you know I'd kiss ya if you weren't married, and so damn ugly blonde)

300 As a white man married to a gorgeous black woman, I think I have leave to speak about race (oddly, whenever I do, I feel I have to preface my comments. Why is that?) I have learned that colour has nothing to do with anything.

Posted by: Nick Shaw at August 13, 2010 04:08 PM (yLz8w)

But are you a genuine American?!?  Look at how you spell "color" -- like one of them foreigners.

301

I haven't read a single comment, but I'm pretty sure the consensus takeaway from this post is that Dirty Conservative is a pretty fucking cool way to describe yourself.

Hi, I'm Warden. Yes, Warden. What can i say? I hang out on the internet with a jackassed nickname. On the other hand, I'm a Dirty Conservative, so that should put to rest  any doubts you may have about what kind of motherfucking edgy, badassery I'm into, now shouldn't it, bitch-wad?

302 298  ...orange drink; purple is the second place option

303

I like wookies too.

Pick out the wookie in this picture:

http://tiny.cc/z5cwr

Posted by: madtechie at August 13, 2010 04:05 PM (5vrLJ)

Pick out the Wookie in THIS picture.

304

What's this everybody is talkin' about the Ace issue. I'm not an acist but I've known a few and like to grab 'em by the ears and whack 'em. . . .

[Unintelligible]

Oh. Never mind.

305 I'm a GILF like Ace is 28.

Posted by: Sharon in Ky at August 13, 2010 04:15 PM (6VFW4)

Well, then we welcome you POLITICALLY.

306 It's cool to hate on mixed race people, right?

Gawdamned race traitors.

Can't believe Ace is only 28.  That would explain a couple of things.

307 309 Sure it is.

308 292 I didn't read Ace's rant, but he's alive, white and not a redistributionist, so he's racist. Posted by: proreason

Well, allow me to summarize. If you're polite in matters of race, then the misplaced accusations of racism become just more noise.  However, if you think you can fight those accusations by being a racist dick, you're needlessly pissing off people we need for the fight ahead.

309 Holder was right.

310

"I have to disagree on one point - do you really believe that people are coming here who have not made up their minds about their political leanings?  That can be persuaded to vote republican or for conservatives?"

I'll defer to Ace on this since he has the best idea of the demographics of his site, but I do see this site as a recruiting tool. I came here (I read a comment recommending it by Vic a couple of years ago) looking for some dialogue and good commentary, and was amazed at the high caliber of the posts by Ace and the co-bloggers.

It is a site I can recommend to squish friends (there is no possibility of converting true liberals) and say, "Look, if you want to get a feel for what conservatives really think, not what the media tells you conservatives think, check this place out. I'll be very surprised if you give it a chance, you don't have some 'Gee, I never saw THOSE facts and stats, or thought about it that way' moments".

I enjoy the wild and crazy side and the sock puppets, they are part of the pulse of this site and make it what it is. But for me personally, the real power of the site and the part I enjoy most are the longer, thoughtful essays like the one above, and the ensuing dialogue. And I do sometimes read comments that make me cringe (see comment 6 above). They will do nothing to persuade anyone to take an honest look at our side of the aisle; but they do have the ability to negate much of the hard work done in the posts,  to set a lousy tone for the good (including the snark) comments, and to turn off people, who, given half a chance, might become morons. 

 

311

312 Holder was right.

I agree.

312 I, for one, welcome our Space Ant Overlords.

313

I can't believe Ace is only 28 OMG!!!

314 It is beginning to get ridiculous to hear about racism racism racism from our black president and black Attorney general.

A lot of people don't want to hear it anymore.

And I'm one of them.  I don't consider myself  bigoted - my friends are my friends because they like me, and I like them.  We don't cull each other by race, or sex, or gender, or anything other than "damn, I like you".
But - how many times of hearing "black...black...black...black..." is too many times?  I couldn't care less what color Obama is - I hate his policies and his ideology, and I would feel the same way if he were my own lily-white brother.  And I'm tired of being accused of being racist for feeling that way.  Socialism is bullshit, and packaging it as the "cure" for racism doesn't make it any less bullshit. 
And I AM antisocialist.

315 I, for one, welcome our Space Ant Overlords.

Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at August 13, 2010 04:50 PM (TGmQa)

Don't worry: Paul the Octopus will lead the Cephalopod Rebellion and liberate us.

316 25 Could someone wake Baldilocks up ?
I always value her take on things whatever the topic . Besides , she's the only black person , as far as i know, that will sit at the dirty conservative table with us

Posted by: awkward davies at August 13, 2010 01:55 PM (RNW0d)





Dude, I've been up since 3am PDT trying to sell my book during a Depression.  I see other folks have been busy, too.

It's true that clean conservative are no fun. I like fun!

Now before I check out this thread, coupla things:  most black kids who grow up in the inner city DO NOT learn the kumbaya that white kids apparently learn--that's confirms several of the premises my "Herding" series.

And, yes, the military drains that out of many of us.  Many; not most.  Onward...

317 286 Actually, I think Michelle is not a Wookie. She is just a nasty, hateful, jealous,  spoiled, vindictive, privileged, elitist, leftard bitch. I like Wookies much better.

Posted by: maddogg at August 13, 2010 03:55 PM (OlN4e)

I lol at myself cause I thought you were giving a description of the posters on the daily kos blog or that ilk.

318 Maybe it's just me, but I think people shouldn't be reading blogs at all at work. In fact, if you don't do a job that requires you to be online, you shouldn't even be online. You should be doing your fucking job.

So, there are plenty of reasons not to write racist crap, but concern for people who are pissing their day away online instead of doing their fucking job is a piss-poor reason.

And don't give me "well I'm on a break"- go to the break room, get on your personal laptop and browse away. There is NEVER a good reason to be fucking around online on a work computer. I work in an online industry. I spend a lot of time online. I don't surf around the internet on my boss's computer, and I don't do it on his time, and anyone who does is a fuckwit who DESERVES to get fired, regardless of what he's looking at, racist or otherwise.

So just can that argument, sporty.

319 Eagerly awaiting part 3, Baldilocks.

320

I can't believe Ace is only 28 OMG!!!

Posted by: missg at August 13, 2010 04:58 PM (Vs3CE)

That explains a lot.  Ace's age.

321 Great post Ace. Hi Baldilocks! Love your writing!

322 Isn't it funny how things work sometimes.  The more time passes the more I miss Richard Prior and realize what a loss he was.

Prior had that rare ability to make fun of everyone and make it come out in a harmless way.  He would take away anger and replace it with laughter.  At the end of a Prior show blacks and whites would leave closer together, always.

In the right hands poking fun at people can be a good thing.

Bob Hope could do this also, in a different way.  We have almost lost the stand-up comedians of yesterday who often provided a service beyond humor.

Fortunately Ace has the comedic touch and can broach tough topics in a light way - let's leave it to him.

323 207 "No to Southpark Conservative. That phrase was either invented or made famous by Milky Glutes, so you can toss that one." Oh gosh.... I had no idea. S**thp*rk C*ns*rv*t*ve will be banned from my speech. I still think the Moronosphere can do better than Dirty Conservative.

324 Thanks for checking in Baldy .
Onward it is.

I agree that the military doesn't necessarily drain the racism out of it's members . At least it doesn't when it comes to adults, if my enlisted navy experience is any indication .  The military brats seem to be a different story , however . My kid sister's best friend in grade school was the daughter of a black officer that lived across the street from us when my old man was stationed in Panama . It was hilarious watching them sing the Supremes together , steps and all .
Both our dad's went to Viet Nam the same year , 1967. Mine came home without a scratch , despite a year in the Iron Triangle during Tet . Sadly her's didn't.
 RIP Maj. O----- . You were a fine man .

325 My .02 cents. I have written often that I don't care to go to the back of the bus. When I read that the Office of Minority and Women Inclusion will be part of some new bill that got shoved down our throats, I know there won't be any seats on that bus for me.

I'm sorta angry, but not in a way that I'm antagonistic toward minorities or women. I don't want anyone told that because of their gender or skin color they should be denied opportunity.Sorry if I didn't include the previous line in each and every one of my  comments.

326 Posted by: ms. docweasel at August 13, 2010 05:14 PM (rLs4O)

There is an entire generation out there who can be online and in a college lecture and shopping and still get an A and the blouse and calm down the friends.  They are way more productive....way more than you can imagine...the tech sector got this right away....others not so much.  It's multi tasking and it's here to stay since life is "complicated"  I mean sure the check out person and the bank teller probably can't be online and do their job decently but a lot of folks can and do.

327 Posted by: antisocialist at August 13, 2010 05:00 PM (Rwudm)

well, the next thing probably coming is the racism toward the white male...you know it don't you...it's coming...after all, after we get through with forming the PC line of who gets what and when and why, the poor little hard working put upon white male will finally be addressed....it will be all his fault, everything, all of it...lol

328 329 Curious,

the problem with the new "normal" in multi-tasking is that when the lads and lasses implode it is quite spectacular.

Compartmentalization has its uses as well.

Amy Bishop was probably in her own mind at least a charming ballerina of multi-tasking.

329 I always phrase my comments here as if the following were true:  the CIA or FBI monitors this site, and/or left-wingers are looking for comments they can cherry-pick and thus proclaim the deep hate and bias on the right.  In both cases, I don't want to get Ace in trouble so I watch myself. 

We all have prejudices, myself included, but most of mine were picked up over the course of my life as I observed how people behaved. There are certain groups I don't like, and that is unlikely to change unless those groups do.  (Hint: it's not about skin color. Skin color or national origin is never an issue with me.  It certainly is on the left.) 

To be fair to these groups, their most visible proponents usually manage to tar the rest of them with the "I don't like those people" brush.  Probably the vast majority are decent people.  I blame the media for that misperception (if it is).

330 You be right:  For example, over 2/3 of employed Black women with a college degree work for the gubmint.  Blacks are over-represented in government just as they are over-represented in gubmint 'transfer payments' like AFDC and SSI.


I'm one of the few who doesn't work for the gubmint--though I used to (retired AF).  Buy my book so I don't have to again!  Besides, it's on-topic.  Great reviews!


235 I come for the Dirty Conservatism and stay for the snark.

Posted by: TehSchlip at August 13, 2010 03:21 PM (xm1A1)

Ding! One more anecdote that demonstrates my premise that blacks are educated into holding racial grievance and how difficult it is to deprogram many of us. 

My brother-in-law--my sister's husband--is a DOD cop, which means that he patrols a military base. He's also white. Every single time he stops a black person--military service members all--a complaint comes into the office about his "racism."  The complainer always get the same letter to the affect that his wife and four children would be very surprised to find out that he hates black people.  I was more ticked off than he was--I guess he's used to it now-- but that state of affairs was very illuminating to me.

331 333 baldi,

yup hard to see how to crack the "neo-aristocracy" nut of overpaid civil servants without it being termed racial.....

332

Yeh, I knew someone who got called on the carpet because of a claim of racism filed by an Asian woman. Dude is Chinese, but his name wasn't obviously Chinese, so he said the looks on the faces of the committee people when they saw him was just priceless.

333 Revelation: my brother in law grew up around black people and is around my family most of the time.   So I'm guessing that it's his general lack of racial kissassery that strikes a lot of black people as "racist."

(BTW, he doesn't behave like a certain type of white guy who is around black people all the time.  You know the ones I mean; trying to respect Ace's house by not using the term.)

334 You caught me stuiec (302) ! I am a ferriner. Canadian, living in Costa Rica but, does that make what I said wrong? You may not know this, lots of people besides citizens of the great USofA (and I'm not being a smart ass) think just like Ace and the rest of the folks here. I wish you well and success in giving the boot to The One and his destructive minions in the near future. The rest of the world depends on it! BTW, you guys happen to spell colour wrong. That's a whole 'nother story.

335 Baldilocks-  Glad you chimed in.  Not that I didn't know what you were likely to say...

(Yeah, you're predictably predictable conservative-wise).

Hope your book's selling well. 

336 Posted by: Nick Shaw at August 13, 2010 06:27 PM (yLz8w)

A Canadian is like a Scandi, but with better beer, right?

J/K.  Haven't seen you round these here parts, but welcome.  As you probably know, there's a fair number of you caribou shaggers that hang here.

337 239: that was JIVE not Ebonics.

338

Anyone who hasn't already Baldilocks's "Hearding" essays can click on her name and check them out. Good stuff.

And Ding! from the other side of the country. The view from here: When the topic of race or racism comes up, people always have strong opinions and always appear desperate to convince me that they're not racist. "Here," by the way, is a town that's 97% white and 99% non-Hispanic. Yet I'm surrounded by experts on race relations.

339 341 Firehorse,

just out of curiosity I have recently left Columbia, SC a town dominated in three of its five major areas by a 75% African-American population with the remainder largely hispanics.....

do they "understand racism"  when they tell an applicant, "nice resume but you're not getting hire until we have five more of our people"?

Something tells me even in the most vanilla town someone so open about their "preferences' that has a Federal contract would get sued in the mirror image of that.

340

Thin (selectively) skinned Ace.  No one is more intolreant, when one crosses "his" line.  Every received his wrath?  For dissing Newt, for instance?  Some of his co-bloggers, are equally as bad.  That's the way to build a blog.  You go boy.  Oh geez, I hope you're not black, and I just commutted a cardinal sin. 

Ace is good.  Very good, when he's not absent, or whatever.  In these instances, he's insightful AND brings teh funnies. 

Worse.  For Ace and AoSHQ, he has an "old guard" of commenters, our betters, to the bewbie's, that are quick to pile on, in the most vulgar and insulting ways, any, who dare present a different opinion.  No!  Not "unresasonibly" butt hurt, review the record. 

I lurked for months.  Thought I'd found a home.  Dutifully I hit the tip jar, every month.   I'm willing to pay for "value", but not abuse.  From my "own team"?

 

341 ace @ 222:

There is a new normal coming, I think, where the race card is diminished, and thus, where we don't have to be so resentful and angry at each other. Which means we can sort of start just being politer, since minorities will, to put it bluntly, not have a PC gun pointed at our heads for much longer.

The greatest heroes in our country at this time are black conservatives. God bless the dozens of them who are actually running for Congress on the GOP ticket this election. Brave, smart, feisty men and women. "May their tribe increase!"
http://tinyurl.com/24fwkqn

ALSO, gotta love Alfonzo Rachel's awesome videos.

Check out the National Black Republican Association, and consider sending a few dollars their way. http://www.nbra.info/
And for heaven's sake, if you haven't already donated to Lt. Col. Allen West's congressional campaign, do so now! He is the most awesome of awesome. Nobody running for public office is more knowledgeable about and more boldly articulates the realities of the Islamic threat to our civilization.
http://tinyurl.com/2d4lu7d
(Col. West starts at about the 1:42 mark; note how the people before him just hem and haw--then West gets in there and cuts to the quick. Tell 'em, Colonel!)
http://allenwestforcongress.com/

342

Sven --

True story: One of my relatives worked for a company that did a project using some government money. They had to submit a report about the diversity of the company and of the town benefitting from the project -- you know, to make sure the contractor reflected the racial makeup of the town. The comapny was very small so it would have been exempt from this, but they had to submit the report anyway. The racial composition of the town, from the Census Bureau's own data, was 100.0% white/non-Hispanic. The project went forward, but they had to expand the area so the report  showed that some people in minority were being served.

I get the sense that race plays a part in hiring, even if it's unintentional. That's not to say latent racism is at work; it's just how it is. Kids (late teens, early 20s) of minority groups seem to always work for a place that has a corporate office in a different town. Maybe the managers doing the hiring are under pressure to submit "good" data about its workforce. Maybe, too, that the independent store owners and restauranteurs are going to hire their own kids first, then their nieces and nephews, etc., which will reflect the racial makeup of the owners -- white and non-Hispanic -- so the non-white and Hispanic kids really don't have any other options for jobs. But I really don't know, and no one is going to say what's what out loud.

343 I'll admit, I stopped commenting on this site awhile ago because of this distinction when it came to gay issues. It isn't political correctness at all. Ace's posts on Andrew Sullivan are almost an art form, and I always seek them out because I'm guaranteed to laugh. And the more absurd the incorporation of Sullivan's sexuality into the joke, the funnier I typically find it.

But then I get into the comments, and the gay "jokes" aren't entirely funny or smile-cracking. They're just . . . hostile. Hostile, unwelcoming, not worth the effort to read.

There's definitely a line, and many bloggers are very good at tap-dancing right up to it without quite going over. However, their commenters often have a lot of trouble perceiving that same line, so they trample right over it.

Then you don't really want to read or participate anymore. I read, but I gave up on commenting a year or two ago. The bigotry was too much. There's music to those words, and if you're tone-deaf, it just won't work.

344 BTW, you guys happen to spell colour wrong. That's a whole 'nother story.

Posted by: Nick Shaw at August 13, 2010 06:27 PM (yLz8w)

Well, I hang out a lot at the UK Telegraph blog and the Australia Telegraph Tim Blair blog, so I really don't have any problem with foreigners hanging out on US blogs.  But I am really confused by the fact that it's the Labour Party in the UK but the Labor Party in Australia.

By the way, we hear occasional stories about tourists getting mugged in Costa Rica, but we also long to see the rainforest and the beaches.  Would you rate it as a safe place for Yanks to visit?

345 @253:  I detest political correctness, but I do employ the "could I say this to my black friends" test. 

As a Catholic Christian who's totally into Theology of the Body, natural law and an orthodox view of Scripture, I find I have to do this all the time when dealing with issues around homosexuality--i.e., "How would I phrase this if I were talking to a gay friend?" The age old challenge of "speaking the truth in love."

Of course, there is the obvious difference from the race issue in that, even if one is born with a genetic predisposition toward same-sex attraction, one does make choices about their behavior--
whereas if you're born black, you're black, and if you're born white you're white.
Well, unless you're Michael Jackson.

346 Wouldn't the easiest way to avoid unpleasantness be to resist the urge to draw general conclusions about a "group" of people based on anecdotal evidence? 

Personally, I think some of the same hot buttons that get hit on race get hit around here on other issues, including profession (our Fed workers are touchy sometimes), family status (there was a near flame war between the non-breeders and breeders the other night), gender (how many times do I have to read what bitches women are?), religion (I'm lookin' at you, Mike Huckabee), and of course the infamous North and South flame wars, etc etc. 

Each of us as individuals is responsible for how we live and how we treat others.  Only we know if we are bigots or sexists or whatever.  It seems to me that on any open forum like this, as soon as you start generalizing about people in the post - which I think is sort of what you did, ace - then the comments are going to take a "tone" that some find objectionable.  So let's just not generalize unless there's polling data and it is of such high quality that there really seems to be a pattern there. 

347 Let me preface my remarks with my two race cards:
1) Orphaned.
2) Forced to flee the land of my birth.

Here's the deal: Watermelons, fried chickens, Sambo, niggardly, minstrel shows, ebonics jokes? Not helpful. Not helpful to black people. Not helpful to white people. Not helpful to the conservative cause. Not helpful to the United States of America. And would not be helpful to God and the Lord Jesus Christ, if they actually existed.

Whatever your resentments and grievances, just shut the fuck up and do the right thing. Fight unjust policies with all your might. Call out villains and thieves like Waters and Rangel at the top of your lungs.

Just stop with all the n-word filth, and all its subtle euphemisms, you  ignorant ofay honky cracker motherfuckers.

That's all I have to say about that.

348 That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at August 13, 2010 08:00 PM (xqhoO)

I take one exception to your otherwise excellent post.  "Niggardly" is a word that is completely unrelated to race.  It means "stingy" or "miserly."  The fact that a city employee of the District of Columbia lost his job for using that word correctly in the context of describing cuts in city spending exposes a problem of people on a hair-trigger looking for racial offense and creating it out of their own ignorance of the English language.

349 Wouldn't the easiest way to avoid unpleasantness be to resist the urge to draw general conclusions about a "group" of people based on anecdotal evidence?   

Posted by: Y-not at August 13, 2010 07:52 PM (5F4bD)

Drawing general conclusions and detecting patterns from sparse data is a hard-wired part of how the human mind works.  It's a survival strategy: the proto-human who learned how to group "red berries good, green berries bad" first gained a competitive advantage over his peers who didn't make such snap judgments -- and ended up dying from eating unripe berries.

Human beings are rotten judges of actual probabilities -- if we were, Las Vegas would still just be a watering hole on the road to California -- but that often helps us survive even when it offends or harms other human beings.  The fact that most cab robbers are of a particular race doesn't mean that a random individual of that race is at all likely to be a cab robber, but cabbies make that error in assessing probability and think they are safer for not picking up people of that race.  It's not really rational, but it's how the human mind works.

350

For Herr Somethingorother (339) I ain't bin writin' but I've bin readin' for a long time. It took me a while to figure where I fit in. When Ace used "sketchy" I knew I found a home.

Stuiec (347) Ozzies are completely screwed up. I think it's their criminal background ;-) and I would highly recommend a visit to Costa Rica. There is crime (duh, where isn't there) but, I would take my chances on a dark street in downtown San Jose before any US city, umm just about any. Just don't look like a tourist and you'll be fine.

351 ace: "You know we're all gonna be on the same side when the space aliens come right?"

Are they coming to conquer or are they coming to trade? See, if I can exchange some shiny beads or organic food for a gander at and blueprints of their interplanetary transportation modules, I'd be more inclined to welcome them and abandon the soul-crushing Progressives with whom I'm expected to bond.

You've proposed a scenario that assumes War of the Worlds when it's really Contact that's coming. This species-baiting is really quite unbecoming and I shall bid you adieu, Sir!

352 Except for one poster who I think calls herself Afro girl or queen or something to that effect,  I don't know the race of more than one person, besides myself, who haunts this den of decadence.  It's a save bet that Texas Jew and a few others are Jews.  None of that has been an issue in any way except for one drunken burnout that embbarassed himself a couple weeks ago.  He was chastized by the M & M's and an Admistrator.  I like this wild west site.  Our enemies will accuse us whether we walk on eggs or not.

353 Drawing general conclusions and detecting patterns from sparse data is a hard-wired part of how the human mind works.

You're right, stuiec.  I guess I was trying to say to ace - as delicately as possible - that if he doesn't want these sorts of uncomfortable threads, he shouldn't put up a post in which he attempts to generalize about a group based on anecdotal evidence.  I think he kind of got the ball rolling (I did not read every comment so I'll accept his word for it about the "tone" being less than ideal - or at least accept that he found it that way), so I am surprised he was surprised by the results.  (Again, I'm not passing judgment on the comment(er)s - I honestly didn't see bad comments, but I did not read them all.)

354 Please tell me you were joking about being in your twenties Ace?

355 Baldilocks - any chance of your book coming out for the Kindle?

356 This is why I read your blog, Ace.

357 @350: "Here's the deal: Watermelons, fried chickens, Sambo, niggardly, minstrel shows, ebonics jokes? Not helpful. Not helpful to black people. Not helpful to white people. Not helpful to the conservative cause. Not helpful to the United States of America."

Two of your examples have nothing to do with blacks, though.  Sambo isn't black, he's Indian, hence the fact that he's chased by tigers.  The book The Story of Little Black Sambo was written by a Scot who had lived in India.  The term "niggardly" has nothing to do with race.  It's derived from a Swedish/Viking term.

Those two things *should* be the basis of a lot of jokes about race-obsessed America is.  We find anti-black racism in stuff that has no connection whatsoever to blacks.

358 358 Baldilocks - any chance of your book coming out for the Kindle?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2010 09:47 PM (eNxMU)

Already out for Kindle! I dropped the price to 5 bucks today, so it should show tomorrow.  Thanks for asking.

And, sorry, Ace, for the shameless self-promotion.

359 I was just at Amazon, and they were like, "Hey, ask for this on Kindle!" and I did...wow, talk about customer service!

I'm sure Ace won't mind...

360

And I mean for me-- I am not without racial baggage or racial resentment myself. I get very bothered by things like, well, if there are a bunch of black teenagers on a subway car, I'm probably, 30% chance, in for a loud and misbehaved sort of ride, and 10% chance, in for some territorial fuck-with-the-white-people shit.

That has an emotional effect, which I try to fight, and try not to just vent that kind of emotion. Discussing it in clinical terms? Yeah, fine: Something needs to be said about the territorial payback instincts that a lot of black teenagers are being indoctrinated with.

I think Bernhard Goetz said it the best. And I don't mean that in a how do we deal with Black hoodlum youths way, but in a how to deal bullies of all stripes kind of way.

361 Baldi, sorry to be a pest, but it's still not even available at Amazon...is there another locale?

(I know some Baen Kindle books are only available there, not Amazon, for example.)

362 Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 13, 2010 10:23 PM (ySNz/)

I have a very close black friend who is hysterically funny.  We were all at a wedding recently and we were dancing and he was literally stepping all over my feet, not hard but hard enough.  So as the dance was ending he leans over and whispers in my ear:  "It is a great burden to bear, I'm the only black male on earth who can't dance, it's my dirty little secret"....I laughed so loud cause it was the funniest comment after you'd spent all that time stepping on my sandal clad toes...lol  He then had a few more drinks and said he despises the myth that all blacks have rhythm since he apparently didn't get that either.  It's the same kind of thing as "well you're Italian so you must have mafia in your family if you have money".  sometimes stereotypes can make people feel inadequate and that is such a shame.  Why can't we just view people as beautiful interesting flowers opening up to show you who they are and not assuming you know what is on the inside?  It would truly be a better world, I think.

363 Fine post, Ace. I think you made your case very well, and I generally agree with you.

However, here's the problem that I see. Let's say CNN or the New York Times picked up on this essay of yours and did a story on it. How do you suppose they would report on it? I bet their headline would be something along the lines of "Leading conservative blogger pleads with readers not to spew racist venom as election draws near."

And other, even more leftist "news" outlets like MSNBC and Media Matters would probably run a headline like "Top conservative blogger admits to racial baggage and resentment, fears blacks in public places, and calls young blacks 'indoctrinated' and 'territorial.'"

You know it's true.

My point is this: The left will call us "racist" no matter what we do, or say, or believe. They do it simply because it is effective. No matter how PC you try to be, or how PC your commenters try to be, we will be called racists. And I think it's natural for people to become frustrated with the constant and never-ending smears and attacks from the leftist media and say, essentially: Fuck it, I might as well speak my mind as bluntly as possible because I'm going to be demonized anyway.

I understand your position. You want to have a professional career post-blogging and you don't want this blog to somehow become a hindrance to you achieving that goal. However, I would like for you to understand the position of a frustrated conservative commentator: If it's not acceptable to be politically incorrect in the unmoderated comments section of a notoriously profane conservative blog while posting under a pseudonym, then it's not acceptable anywhere. And if it's not acceptable anywhere, then we have just ceded our right to free speech to the left, without a fight, all because we were worried about someone's feelings. And that would be a damn shame.

That being said, it's your site, so it's your rules.

364 >>>However, here's the problem that I see. Let's say CNN or the New York Times picked up on this essay of yours and did a story on it. How do you suppose they would report on it? I bet their headline would be something along the lines of "Leading conservative blogger pleads with readers not to spew racist venom as election draws near." >>>And other, even more leftist "news" outlets like MSNBC and Media Matters would probably run a headline like "Top conservative blogger admits to racial baggage and resentment, fears blacks in public places, and calls young blacks 'indoctrinated' and 'territorial.'" >>>You know it's true. Yes, and there's a simple way to avoid this: Stop saying things that even conservatives (who are not kneejerk on the issue) find offensive. Oddly there are some people who don't realize that gee, maybe that's a pretty good soluton. It's all these various reworkings of "okay, yeah, the fuck with what you the blog's editor want, how do we slip the racist stuff in?" Look: A lot of people find it distasteful. I'm one of them. And I have to live here. THe question is: WHo shall adapt to whom? Shall the people who are not diggin' the racist vibe adapt to the racists? Or the racists to the others? It's like smoking: You can yell about it all you want but at the end of the day an office needs a rule, smoking or non-smoking. One group is going to have to adapt to the other's habits. Either the smokers are going to have to take it outside or the nonsmokers are going to have to put up with the stink. I've laid down the rule for the office: It's a nonsmoking office. That's it. End of discussion.

365 sorry you concluded okay your site your rules shouldn't have hammered. But you keep missing a point: My point is this: The left will call us "racist" no matter what we do, or say, or believe. They do it simply because it is effective. No matter how PC you try to be, or how PC your commenters try to be, we will be called racists. And I think it's natural for people to become frustrated with the constant and never-ending smears and attacks from the leftist media and say, essentially: Fuck it, I might as well speak my mind as bluntly as possible because I'm going to be demonized anyway. The point is this: It's not JUSt about that. It's not JUSt about avoiding being called a racist. It's also that i find it distasteful. It makes me feel a little dirty to be associated with it. And this is what I mean with the smoking analogy. Some people don't dig the smell, so put out the butts, thank you for not smoking.

366 I'm not pissed off at black people. 

I am annoyed at black people who think that being black makes them special, makes them somehow different from a white person.  Their demands for special treatment are especially ridiculous.  What does it say about a person's belief in their own abilities when they demand to be treated as if they were somehow handicapped?  What does it say about the leftists who are so keen to treat them as if they were? 

I'm disgusted at black people who actively define themselves by the color of their skin and work to create a racial identity based on being the polar opposite of what they perceive the average white person to be.  There is a hell of a lot that a trained psychiatrist could say about that nonsense.  There are white people who do the same thing, more or less.  They don't look at black people and then try to be the opposite of what they see, but they are careful not to adopt any traits that they do perceive as being "black."  Leftists are especially bad about this.  These same leftists also have no concept of what black culture is really like.  They think that black people all live in inner-city slums.  In truth only a small minority of blacks live in such places.  Most black people live in rural areas in places like Mississippi.

Don't believe me?

http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.gif

I really do wish that the people of this great nation would realize that we're all Americans.  What color we are or what part of the world our fore-bearers came from is irrelevant.  What matters is that we are all part of this nation.  In fact we ARE this nation.  A nation isn't land, it is people.  We're all in this together.  There is no reason for us to be at odds with one another.  Tribalism is bullshit.  There is only one tribe: American.  Everything else is either secondary or irrelevant.

367

I derive my sustenance by profiting from hand-outs and preferences resulting from various forms of cultural guilt.

But first, you will not offend me.

368 Robbie @ 346.

Hostile. Well done. That is the difference. Hostility vs simple happy humor. Thanks for that comment! Choosing that word was insightful to the point that is the word I was looking for. A knock-knock joke vs a racist rant a la michael richards & the anti-reverse tolerant PC crap that d-list stinkcunt griffinpig regurgitates.

369

>> So just can that argument, sporty.

 

Wow.  That was particularly annoying.

 

Some of us, including me, do not watch the clock.  I'm working all the time, as we say in the professional business.  Evenings.  Weekends.  A lot.

 

So yes, from time to time I look in on AoS from work between 8 and 5, when, I don't know, other people work.  Our terms of use permit this, I know, I wrote them.

 

Sporty.

370 lovely..actron cp9190