1 Drew, I heard something on the news yesterday that the FBI was warning him about death threats, etc.

Of course the threats couldn't possibly be true, "religion of peace" and all that.

2
I would hope they were their discussing threats against him and security precautions.  And also for mustache grooming techniques.

3 And also for mustache grooming techniques.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 10, 2010 10:50 AM (JNqU9)

I think that's officially John Bolton's area of expertise.  The FBI doesn't have a mustache management mandate.

4 If there ever was an administration that didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt this is it - but I suspect the first two commenters are correct.

5 How about the Obama administration do it's damn job and protect Americans who do dumb things but are exercising their legal rights. That's why we have a government in the first place.

Wish I'd said that.

6 They were discussing bringing the Queer Eye guys in for a makeover.  So he'll look fabulous! during the koran burning.  Snap!

7 Uhm...  Drew, we would like to talk to you about, talking about, when we talked to that guy down in Florida.

8 Ace I'm with you. As I have said here and elsewhere before, while koran burning is legal, it's stupid and pointless. But with all the publicity it has gotten, it seems those that favor koran burning are coming out of the woodwork all over the country and we could have quite a few of these little bonfires this weekend. And then the shit might hit fan all over the middle east. Not that that is anything new. Oh well.

9 Well now, DrewM. I guess we need to drop by and have a little discussion with you about the wisdom of criticizing your supreme leader, yes?

10 it seems those that favor koran burning are coming out of the woodwork all over the country and we could have quite a few of these little bonfires this weekend.

I wasn't in favor of burning the Koran until this dustup hit the front pages.  Now I am.

11 Stop lecturing some kook in Florida about what they should and should not do and make it clear to everyone around the world, sensitive and extremest Muslims included, that we do and say what we want here in the US and if you have a problem with that, tough shit. Posted by: DrewM. Indeed, Isn't this the real message behind burning Korans? The freedom to do such things without fear of retribution, murder.

12 Dude, this story... still?

Isn't there anything better, like, Hello Kitty, or something. 

13 I hope I'm not dumb enough to comment on this further, because ain't nobody convincing anybody of anything at this point, but it seems to me that this whole thing, from the beginning, is a class 5 hurricane of stupid.

Maybe the optimists are wrong, maybe stupidity is like social entropy or something - always on the rise.

14  One of these days a radical islamic country will threaten our country, and the Dems will tell us  that we all must submitt to Allah.  My God don't they see what is waiting for us in the future if we continue down this fucking appeasement road?

15 This small town preacher has put his finger on the basic problem of Islam, the religion of murderous outrage. He's tied Obama up in knots at the same time.

16 Hey maybe that blast in CA was a premature koran burning?

17 Our corrupt media.. in an attempt to paint all Christians as nuts... fanned the flames of this nonsense.

Not surprised or shocked that Barky was yet again... quick to jump on the side of Muslims.

18
When are Hillary and Ogabe going to speak out as forcefully against those who would riot and kill over the burning as they did against Jones?

19 It's the ATTENTION given to these idiotic hicks that pisses me off. WHY did our Lamestream Media turn what should have been an ignored local act of idiocy into an International News Story with even the Vatican chiming in? I and my neighbor might burn a Koran in my backyard tomorrow. Is that a national news story? So why is it an International News Story when 50 other morons want to join in at some hick church in the middle of nowhere?? BECAUSE: the media jumped on this to demonstrate what happens if we don't build a mosque at Ground Zero, THAT'S why... blithely ignoring the real parallel between the stupidity of the Koran burning and the Mosque building at that place. BOTH acts are stupid but legal. If there is any violence because of these idiots, the Media should take its fair share of the blame. As should the Religion of Peace, that seems to require an inordinate amount of "sensitivity" lest "a tiny minority" become violent.

20 Ok, who's gonna bite the bullet and watch Bambi's news conference? 

21

It is virtually im-fucking-possible to NOT break a law these days...so the FBI could crank up any one of a thousand different ways to fuck this guy over. And actually this Koran burning stunt may be a lot smarter than anyone is getting right now.

Just look at all the fucking cockroaches that are fleeing the scene and also we are having another illustration of how peaceful those fucks in the religion of peace are.

I think I could have said fuck a few more fucking times but I am restraining myself.

22 We all know that those condemning and personally insulting the minister are hypocrites who would not give a damn if it was any other book than the Koran

23 Barky presser up.  Get your popcorn.

24 Is burning the Koran stupid? It would be except for what it illustrates for the whole world to see, the myth of moderate Muslims. And how could it be shown more graphically? Burning a book in itself is pointless, but it takes a special sort of willful blindness not to see the usefulness of the gesture.

25 Personally, I'm against burn a Koran day. It's just another fake holiday pushed by the greeting card companies to part us of our cash.

26 Call it naive, but I don't understand why the FBI would talk to him about death threats.  Since I have never made a death threat, I guess I don't know the proper proceedure.  Do the threateners call the FBI?  I assumed they would call the pastor directly.

27 Sheesh.  There he goes again with the sssssss whistling sounds. 

28

This small town preacher has put his finger on the basic problem of Islam, the religion of murderous outrage. He's tied Obama up in knots at the same time

Well that's exactly right.  I was having this discussion last night with my husband.  Kook or genius?  Who cares? They guy really exposed the problem.  That Islam is not the religion of peace.

29 So... burning the flag is a protected right, and anyone offended by it should just get over it.

But burn a freaking book, and as far as the left is concerned, you get what you deserve.

30 Barky's lying again.  His lips are moving.

31

WHY did our Lamestream Media turn what should have been an ignored local act of idiocy into an International News Story with even the Vatican chiming in?

It's the narrative. Preacher dude is all right-wing-Christian-Rush-Limbaugh-connected guy. What are the mere lives of our service men and women compared to the narrative?

32 As long as Osama Obama and Eric Shabazz Holder are involved, the actions -- and motives -- of the regime are suspect.

An American president -- as opposed to the treasonous fuckweasel we now have -- might at most have suggested that Koran-burning is dumb. "Pastor" Jones has a right, but it's not a hot idea (so to speak).

Said patriotic president would also mention to slimeball Rauf that he has a right to want to build the GZ mosque, but it's not a hot idea.

I'm with Herr M. I don't like the idea of putting korans to the torch, but it's beginning to have a certain appeal. What bothers me is that the Mohammedan Mouthpiece will justify the "rage" of the Muzzies and tell us to STFU and let them run roughshod over us.

33 Not surprised or shocked that Barky was yet again... quick to jump on the side of Muslims.

I used to think it was crazy to believe Barry was a Muslim, but based on some of his actions, he sure acts like he favors the Muslim faith over others.

34 It's hard to know whom to believe: both of them (Jones and Obama) are liars. 

My money is on the idea that there's been some threats of violence related to the planned Koran burning that the FBI is/was investigating. 

35 they were probabkly talking to him about the threats they had received in relation to hit church from the religion of peace.

36 I have two words for Darryl Issa: GEORGE FUCKIN' SOROS

37 I think Jane and Irene are correct. The FBI is probably discussing threats directed towards him. FBI does have jurisdiction over potential domestic terrorists and if jihadi chatter is up better to warn the guy so he can be prepared.

38 Oh, and to the lefties outraged at Jones: when the hell are you going to turn even a tenth of that rage towards Sharpton, who has literally  gotten PEOPLE burnt to death with his stunts?

39
Watching the press conference: He hardly ever says anything.  I can't distinguish any of his speeches from another... 2008 or 2010.  It's all generic blah blah blah shit.  What a fucking clown.

40 I might have Koran BBQ this weekend after all. I have some pig fat to throw on there to make it burn nice and hot and fast.

41 Gay Dutch guy makes a movie, Somali girl gives a talk, Pope quotes a historic reference to Islam, some Danes draw some cartoons .... amazing how the moderate muslim street keeps falling for these provocations and acts like a bunch of raging lunatics.

42 What I wouldn't give for Obumbles to have a meltdown right now.

43 Hey maybe that blast in CA was a premature koran burning?

It totally unrelated news, dozens of pillars of salt have appeared in the surrounding hills.

44 There that effing bastard goes again.  Tomorrow will be another "day of service" and remembrance.  WTF? 

45 You know the FBI would be over it like white on rice (oops!) if anyone started burning effigies of Osama Obama.

The Traitor-in-Chief is pimping that "national day of service" shit for 9/11 again.

I am so fucking angry I need to walk away for a while.

46 I'm surprised they did not sic the EPA on him, ya know, "Clean Air Act"

47 Islam Has  "Woke up the Big Mean Cowboys in the South".... The Whole nation is giving the  Famous Middle finger salute   to the WHOLE  Muslim world All weekend long  !!!!   Millions of Qurans burning coast to coast!!..They pushed and Now Americans are Pushing Back !!!!!!!

48 Well, BHO is doing his best to shroud himself in the ashes of 9/11.

49
Hey YOU MSM BASTARDS!

Ask DrewM's question: "Why? Why do so many, not all, but an awful lot of Muslims threaten violence in cases like this and the Mohamed cartoons?"

50 'Bout time we play 'Cowboys and Muslims'

51 If Imam Barky had one ounce of real courage, he'd go to Ground Zero tomorrow, instead of sending Joey B.  Instead he'll hide at the Pentagon.

52 Luckily, the FBI never bothers me.  I'm a "protected class."

53

Paint a picture of Christ eating a shit sandwich..it's art.  Paint a picture of the Virgin Mary involved with "golden showers"..no problem, it's art.  Cartoons of Jews as monkeys or pigs...no problem.  Set up a Nativity Scene in the town square during Christmas, law suits up the ass, it's fucking outrageously offensive. Anything about Islam that is percieved to be offensive...riots around the world, U.S. officials telling us to shut the fuck up. 

I'm sick of this shit, enough is enough and enough is too much.

54 I might have Koran BBQ this weekend after all. ___________________________________________ I LOVE Korean BBQ!

55 He's stretching his damned answers out again so he'll have less time for questions.  Oh, just blamed the Republicans again.

How I hate this man-child.

56

Paint a picture of Christ eating a shit sandwich..it's art.  Paint a picture of the Virgin Mary involved with "golden showers"..no problem, it's art.  Cartoons of Jews as monkeys or pigs...no problem.  Set up a Nativity Scene in the town square during Christmas, law suits up the ass, it's fucking outrageously offensive. Anything about Islam that is percieved to be offensive...riots around the world, U.S. officials telling us to shut the fuck up. 

 

And if you're in Philly, fine a Catholic church $700/day for obnoxious bell-ringing.

57 If Imam Barky had one ounce of real courage, he'd go to Ground Zero tomorrow, instead of sending Joey B. Instead he'll hide at the Pentagon. I would rather Biden be there instead of Hussain. No matter how misguided, Biden still (in his own liberal, retarded way) loves America.

58 What would you expect from a politicized DOJ that is openly selective about which groups they will prosecute and which they will protect?

59 Dave C.  You're right.  His presence just desecrates sacred ground.

60 52 If Imam Barky had one ounce of real courage, he'd go to Ground Zero tomorrow, instead of sending Joey B.  Instead he'll hide at the Pentagon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 10, 2010 11:12 AM (UOM4

He obviously doesn't want fellow muslims seeing hiim at Ground Zero.

61 I'm not giving this administration the benefit of the doubt.

That's good policy in any case.

62 If Imam Barky had one ounce of real courage, he'd go to Ground Zero tomorrow, instead of sending Joey B.  Instead he'll hide at the Pentagon.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 10, 2010 11:12 AM

If the Mohammedan Mouthpiece had an ounce of real courage, he would go to Ground Zero tomorrow, beg forgiveness for his America-hating policies and resign.

63

Did that stupid fuck just say that those making over $250K would get tax relief on the first $250K???...

...sorry..you idiotic fucking douchebag...tha's not how marginal tax rates work

64 "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

65 Is anyone else as bothered as I am by the gold curtain behind Barky?  It totally clashes with the American flag. 

66 Ahh, got the BBQ all set for tomorrow for burning some pages of hate out of the cult book of a murdering pedophile.  Toss on some pork fat marinade and watch the flames roar, all inside a big offset BBQ pit.

I'm thinking of using those pages to start every BBQ when I'm smoking pork shoulders & ribs.

Totally legal and it if pisses off rage boy, then tough shit because if I don't do it this way, it could get very dangerous.

67

Daddy Obama is da KING of the straw man!

68

He obviously doesn't want fellow muslims seeing hiim at Ground Zero.

 

I am planning to stop by the Victory Mosque for Fatwa Friday, though!

69 While I don't like the idea of book burning, any book, the guy has the legal right to do it.

What I am tired of is the Islamo thuggery. "We will build a mosque at ground zero - OR ELSE!"  "You cannot burn the Quran - OR ELSE!"

Everyone seems so worried we're going to provoke these nutjobs. Funny, I don't recall any debate over building mosques in this country or any mass Quran burnings prior to the attacks on 9/11. Or on the USS Cole. Or the embassies in Africa.

Seriously, do these guys really need a reason? They cannot be appeased, so we need to plant our spears in the ground and say "This is where we make our stand. No more."

70 I bet they were there to warn (intimidate) as well.  A few color pictures of what Muslims do to women, homosexuals, and those who disagree with them were probably shown. 

71 My gawd.  Barry has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.  Worst presser ever.

72

You know how wrong it is to burn the Koran?

As wrong as building a victory mosque on sacred ground- Ground Zero.

That's how wrong burning Korans is.

Did our political elites not figure that there would be retribution when they supported (by not opposing) the victory mosque on our sacred ground?

Vim Toot!

73 If the Mohammedan Mouthpiece had an ounce of real courage, he would go to Ground Zero tomorrow, beg forgiveness for his America-hating policies and resign.



No, no. NO.

We want O to be the candidate in 2012. If he's not, then it's sure to be Hillary, and I'm not so sure we can beat her. We can beat O because he's lost the moderate dems and the independents, but Hill is the candidate, they will flock to her in droves.

74

Seriously, do these guys really need a reason? They cannot be appeased, so we need to plant our spears in the ground and say "This is where we make our stand. No more."

Exactly!  The 1993 WTC bombing?  Provoked!  September 11th?  Provoked!  When are these assholes not provoked?  And I'm sorry, but letting the Muzzies build the GZM won't miraculously make the terrorists love us.

It has to be our line in the sand.  We cannot let them build this disgrace.

75 probably true about the FBI and threats.although  What about the DOD? Didn't they also call?

76 omg.......i hate this guy...i'm seething at this point

77

O-Hell you already mentioned it! drts,

 

blush.

78 Worst speaker ever.  All this loon does is lie and stammer.

79

I can honestly say that I have never ever heard of any government official saying the burning of a bible was a stupid act.  I wonder why this is different?  Oh and didn't that one guy get government money to make his piss Christ so called art display? 

 

I think Doc Holliday said it best; "Aparently my hypocrisy knows no bounds."

80 re: "25 Personally, I'm against burn a Koran day. It's just another fake holiday pushed by the greeting card companies to part us of our cash." yeh, and those "Muhammad was a serial killer and child molester and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" shirts get old in a hurry.

81 76

You know how wrong it is to burn the Koran?

As wrong as submerging a Crucifix in piss and calling it art??...or smearing a portrait of the Virgin Mary with elephant shit??

82 Watching the news last night and they were showing Afghans burning the American flag.

Guess they're not too concerned with provoking us.

83 We should have a positive outlook. We have, after all, something to look forward to. Now that a judge (appointed by Clinton and confirmed with a Republican controlled Senate) has trashed DADT, we'll probably see gays serving openly in the US Armed Forces. And then we get to see all the hyprocrites that  ignore Christian symbols being defaced, but who get oh so woud up about 'needless provocations' and 'book burning is ALWAYS evil', then being asked whether gay troops being sent to the Middle East will "inflame the Arab street". All we need is for one Immam whack job to complain, and everybody will jump. Which way they leap will be interesting.

84 What about the DOD? Didn't they also call? Posted by: willow at September 10, 2010 11:21 AM

Secy Gates called, presumably as Obama's representative/emissary.  Remember, Jones said he'd reconsider if the White House called him.  I hate Obama, but I think that having a cabinet member waste even two minutes seconds talking to this guy was more than enough attention to get him to cancel his stunt. 

85 My gawd.  Barry has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.  Worst presser ever.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 10, 2010 11:19 AM

Just imagine how he'd sound if he wasn't taking friendly questions from pre-selected hacks.

The Traitor-in-Chief doesn't have the balls to let us look behind the gold curtain and see what a dismal excuse for an adult human he really is.

86

One is not like the other.  These may not have been entirely innocuous but they were not intentional provocations and the level of resultant violence could be said to be unexpected.  I cannot say the same for organizing a Koran burning. 

Again, when do these animals need a provocation?  If the pastor cancels the burning, will the Muzzies forgive our infidel ways?  No, they'll find another illegitimate reason to murder us.  America was (and still is) pretty damned tolerant of Islam before 9-11.  Where did that get 2,997 innocent people?

87 I miss Major Garrett.  Who took his place on the front row?  Hopefully Tapper will get in a zinger or two.

88 Looks like the MFM is ignoring all the moderate Muslims who are out declaring that they are against burning the koran but will defend to the death the preacher's right to do it....

89

Guess they're not too concerned with provoking us.

 

Why would they with Obama in the White House?

90

Nine years out from 9/11 and they have the government (functionally) steppin-n-fetchin to enforce Islamic blasphemy laws within the US?

Awesome.  Violence really does solve everything.  The sword pwnz the pen! 

91 Much better take then yesterdays post Drew.

92 Don't you worry, we'll be making tons of movies about the dangers of government-imposed conformism and censorship of opinions and other such bad aspects of McCarthyism Obama's policies.  Any time now.

93 So as not to inflame the Mohammedans, we should amend the Bill of Rights.  Your rights now as Americans are To Die or To Surrender.  Anything else is inflammatory.

94

98 So as not to inflame the Mohammedans, we should amend the Bill of Rights.  Your rights now as Americans are To Die or To Surrender.  Anything else is inflammatory.

 

Allahu akbar!  I KEEL you!

95 Violence really does solve everything.

Of course it does.  Which leaves us in a conundrum.  This is what happens when civilization collapses.  It has collapsed.  Get that through our minds and everything else follows.

96 No, no. NO. We want O to be the candidate in 2012. If he's not, then it's sure to be Hillary, and I'm not so sure we can beat her. We can beat O because he's lost the moderate dems and the independents, but Hill is the candidate, they will flock to her in droves. Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at September 10, 2010 11:20 AM ___________________________________________ At this point, Hillary would be a refreshing breath of fresh air.

97 So as not to inflame the Mohammedans, we should amend the Bill of Rights.  Your rights now as Americans are To Die or To Surrender.  Anything else is inflammatory.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 10, 2010 11:29 AM

Welcome to Osama Obama's world, dude.

Bankrupt us, take away our security, make us submit to the Muzzies.

Then kill us.

98 Hoo boy, he just got asked the Muzzie question.  Jeebus!  He just said he "admired" Bush for saying after 9/11 we weren't at war with Islam.

I wish it weren't so early.  I really do need to have a drink or twelve.

99 Hey! What about me?

100 Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2010 11:31 AM

I don't give a flying fuck about the political aspects of whether Osama Obama runs in '12.

I want the treasonous piece of shit -- who is, even now, lecturing us about 9/11 and demanding "tolerance" -- removed from office. And jailed.

He is destroying our country.

101 Hoo boy, he just got asked the Muzzie question. Jeebus! He just said he "admired" Bush for saying after 9/11 we weren't at war with Islam. I wish it weren't so early. I really do need to have a drink or twelve. Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 10, 2010 11:33 AM (UOM4 I love and respect President Bush, but THAT is one of the worst things he ever said and did. We ARE at WAR with ISLAM. Get used to is because they are at WAR with us. Maybe not each and every muslim, but islam yes

102 I hope Jones does continue through with his plan on burning the Koran.. Only go in front of a Crist for Senate campaign office and video tape it saying, "I tried to stop them"

103

Good posts. I'm no fan of burning the Korans, but I'm about fed up to here with constantly being held hostage to what may or may not offend extremist Muslims. For that matter, the guy who is supposed to be the very exemplar of the moderate Muslim is one of the ones lecturing us on what is and is not acceptable, all the while shoving the mosque in our faces and preening on how he will not back down.

I'm starting to sense a real backlash as per McCarthy's excellent column, "This Is Where We Begin To Say No."

104 Tomorrow is a wonderful day?????? No it isn't it is a sad tragic day asshole

105

That's my point. They are going to do what they are going to do regardless. Why stoop to their level.  Its not tolerance to the moslems to call a scumbag charlatan a scumbag charlatan.  Its staying true to one's sense of right and wrong. At least for me.

I think the Koran burning is stupid because it's a cry for attention.  I couldn't care less about its provocative aspects.  If it offends moderate Muslims, hey, sorry about that, but (to me) not enough of them have come forth to condemn the radical elements in their religion.  After 9-11, they sat on their hands and never opened their mouths.  And because of that, if they burn the Korans, I won't lose much sleep over it.

But that's just me.

106 I hope Jones does continue through with his plan on burning the Koran..

Only go in front of a Crist for Senate campaign office and video tape it saying, "I tried to stop them"

Posted by: Dave C

 

This here is genius.

107 Somewhere in the Mohammedan world there is a koran burning. Funny that the mohammedans do not get upset when a co-religionist or 2 or 3 decide to target a mosque and blow it up.

108 Oh and now he is saying what a great opportunity there is for Peace in the middle east because he is gonna point out what a great opportunity it is for them?????? What an ignorant bastard

109 This is what happens when civilization collapses.  It has collapsed.  Get that through our minds and everything else follows.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 10, 2010 11:30 AM (5aa4z)

I've been there since around 2005.   I realized our modernity made most people incapable of thinking enough like the enemy to see through their deceptions.  The realization makes some people recoil into deep denial: Charles Johnson.  Our attention span is too short to handle creeping sharia or stealth jihad.  Soft modern people can't deal with steely suicidal fanatics wearing smiley faces when convenient.  Not insane, fanaticial.

The bottom line to most people is retirement and benefits, not fighting for territory like a pit bull and martyrdom.  That's old school, which Islam has in spades.      

110 How in the world could anyone get a "tingle up their leg" listening to this ass?  He is absolutely the worst at handling a presser I've ever seen.  Does he have someone (Rahm, Axeltoad) hiding behind the gold curtain, whispering answers to him?

111

I'm glad to see people waking up on this.

I was against it before I was for it.  At first, I agreed that burning the Koran was just a silly and hurtful thing to do.  Now, based on the official reaction from Gov't - I think that the koran MUST be burnt - if only to prove a point to our own gov't. 

112 Provoke them, then smoke them.  Bring it, bitches.

113

I think the Koran burning is stupid because it's a cry for attention.  I couldn't care less about its provocative aspects.

 

Any protest, by definition, is a cry for attention. That's why they're also called 'demonstrations'. And according to the beautiful people, burning symbols (flags, draft cards, bras) is a powerful, legitimate statement. Defacing/destroying religious symbols is also a legitimate statement and art in the bargain.

 

By the standards of the beautiful people, there is nothing wrong here. And to the anti-theists ( I do NOT mean athiests) this is something to be encouraged.

 

Wahoo.

114 Soft modern people can't deal with steely suicidal fanatics wearing smiley faces when convenient

It's worse than being "soft and modern".  Hedonist, decadent, self absorbed, weak, ignorant, lazy, dependent, shiftless, dishonest......  Half of our country is barely human.  Go to the nearest WalMart this afternoon and observe.  There's nothing left.

115 Why stoop to their level.

You said before you don't think we should become like them.  Let me break it down for you:

They: Burn bibles, freak out if somebody burns the Koran
Our military: Burn bibles, freak out if somebody burns the Koran.

Guess what?  We have become like them in a very true sense.

116 We need to organize a burn the koran day where thousands of citizens each burn a copy of the Koran - not in protest to the terrorists, but in protest of teh gov't's reaction to burning the koran.

117 I think this was one of the few times Bush said something he didn't really mean in order to complete his mission. Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2010 11:39 AM (m2CN7) Maybe, but look at the ramifications of that statement. Even the boob repeated and referenced President Bush to boot. He didn't have to say we are at war with islam, but he should have said nothing at all

118 At this point, Hillary would be a refreshing breath of fresh air.


Maybe that was the Dems long term strategy. Foist the incompetent boob on us so that we will willingly put another Clinton in office. Heh.


I don't give a flying fuck about the political aspects of whether Osama Obama runs in '12.

I want the treasonous piece of shit -- who is, even now, lecturing us about 9/11 and demanding "tolerance" -- removed from office. And jailed.

He is destroying our country.

If we can take control of Congress in November, then The Won is essentially a lame duck. He won't be able to pass any more destructive bullshit and maybe, just maybe, Congress can begin to un-do what has been wrought.

I'm telling ya, if O is the Dem candidate in '12, then it will be a cake walk for the GOP. If it's Hill, we're gonna have another bloody battle.

119

He has the most damned, droning voice and he says nothing with it.

He can forget the changing of 9/11 remembrances to a day of service. He's trying to put his stamp on this and change it to his liking.

No way, you pontificating asshole.

120 We need to organize a burn the koran day where thousands of citizens each burn a copy of the Koran - not in protest to the terrorists, but in protest of teh gov't's reaction to burning the koran.

Capital steps.  We own them.

121

For that matter, if Obama had the time and felt the need to go on national TV and urge this loon not to burn Korans because it would be totally inappropriate and "provocative", why couldn't he take the time to also use his bully pulpit to make some of the same points about the GZM to its proponents?

A rhetorical question, obviously.

122

We need to organize a burn the koran day where thousands of citizens each burn a copy of the Koran - not in protest to the terrorists, but in protest of teh gov't's reaction to burning the koran

 

Can we combine this with that idiotic day when everyone is supposed to shut off all their lights and yearn for the good ole days of living in darkness and squalor (for the sake of Gaia)? If we all BBQ pork or freshly hunted bambi over it we can go for the hat trick and piss off the militant vegetarians and anti-hunting types.

123 This Koran burning is a sidehow of a sideshow, the ground zero mosque, created and brought to you by Issssssssssslam to take attention away from Islamic Bomb-Iran's nuclear weapons projects.  And it is all working perfectly.  They'll even manage to energize the Islamic world again like the Danish Cartoon uprising while they expand their efforts.  I must admit, the Persians are a formidable enemy. They know how to exploit the weakness in the West caused by gutless cowardly Liberals.  We must defeat Liberals or we are all doomed to Dhimmitude.

124

125 See Drudge.  It's spreading. 

126 I'm telling ya, if O is the Dem candidate in '12, then it will be a cake walk for the GOP. If it's Hill, we're gonna have another bloody battle.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at September 10, 2010 11:44 AM (6pi4V)

I doubt that very seriously. She is married to the Zero administration and it's policies. She is one of the ship whores and will go down with it. That kind of stink does not wash off.

127 I'm telling ya, if O is the Dem candidate in '12, then it will be a cake walk for the GOP. If it's Hill, we're gonna have another bloody battle.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at September 10, 2010 11:44 AM

We'll have bloody battles on our hands, and well before '12. But they won't be political.

You can thank the Traitor-in-Chief for that.

128

132 See Drudge.  It's spreading. 

Holy crap, it's a Holy War!

129 I doubt that very seriously. She is married to the Zero administration and it's policies. She is one of the ship whores and will go down with it. That kind of stink does not wash off.


She's already been taking pot shots about the economy.

I'm telling ya, she will run in '12. Along about March or April, she will resign her position.

130 131: Well said. From the Ann Coulter link: Whenever you see a liberal choking up over our precious constitutional rights, you can be sure we're talking about the rights of Muslims at ground zero, "God Hates Fags" funeral protesters, strippers, The New York Times publishing classified documents, pornographers, child molesters, murderers, traitors, saboteurs, terrorists, flag-burners (but not Quran-burners!) or women living on National Endowment of the Arts grants by stuffing yams into their orifices on stage.

131 I'm telling ya, she will run in '12. Along about March or April, she will resign her position.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at September 10, 2010 11:50 AM (6pi4V)

Oh, I wouldn't doubt that, it's the bloody fight to beat her I doubt. She will be a walkover.

132 Obama may not just be destroying his own Presidency,...I think he is making the Democrats toxic for years to come.

133
Compare this reaction to Obama's outrage over the Ft Hood Islamic massacre.

Obama was so outraged he only gave one shout-out at his press briefing.

134

I'm getting blisters.  

BOO!

135
Yes, burning a fucking koran is acting just like the Taliban.



Bunch of Rosie O'fuckingdonnell's, you are.

136 Any NYC morons not doing anything tomorrow? Go to the Burlington mosque and tear pages out of a Koran, make paper airplanes, and throw it at the building.

137 Compare this reaction to Obama's outrage over the Ft Hood Islamic massacre.

Obama was so outraged he only gave one shout-out at his press briefing.

Posted by: mr boner?, mr boner?, paging mr boner? at September 10, 2010 11:55 AM (uFokq)

 

And how long into his glad-handing did he finally bother to mention it? He knew about it before he began speaking, and is sure as Hell wasn't topic number one.

138 This non-story is a Journolist creation.  But I doubt it's having the effect they intended.

139 Go to the nearest WalMart this afternoon and observe.  There's nothing left.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 10, 2010 11:42 AM (5aa4z)

LOL!  You've heard my wife and I talk obviously. 

140 At first, I accepted the Generals argument that this would endanger troops.

As this is unfolding however, I have a different mindset.

Burn Koran: Endanger troops.
Don't built Victory Mosque: Endanger troops.
Don't accept Sharia Law here: Endanger troops.
Don't submit to Islam: Endanger troops.

I am sick of this bullsh*t. Muslims are like spoiled two year olds, and we're acting like the intimidated parents ("Don't take Johnny's toy away, hell have a tantrum. Don't tell Johnny he can't stand on the chair at a restaurant, he'll have a tantrum. Don't tell Johnny he has to go to bed, he'll have a tantrum.")

Screw them.

Burn the Koran. It is our right. It is free speech.

And while we're at it, can someone throw some bacon on the site of the Victory Mosque? Please?

141 Knights Templar Recruiter of the Year Nominee 2007 at September 10, 2010 11:52 AM (IhHdM) -- Yeah, you pussies went to ground and stuck us with shit jobs for 800 years while Europe matured, Jean Parisot de la Valette

142
Oh, I wouldn't doubt that, it's the bloody fight to beat her I doubt. She will be a walkover.

She seems a bit emotionally broken.  I think Obama and the MSM WickedPinto'ed her.  I don't know if she can take another vicious election.  She would also certainly have competition in the primary.

143 General Petraeus (and Obammy and everyone else I've heard) condemns the book burning because it might endanger the lives of troops. Odumbass adds the "against American values" bullshit, because, you know, values unstated in the constitution have more value than the constitutional right of free speech.

Um... isn't protecting Americans (and thus their constitutional rights) the point of having a military? Is it now the point of the military and the president to tuck in their tails and play it safe at the expense of our constitution?

Next I'll expect cops to no longer carry guns because they might accidentally shoot a criminal.

144

I doubt that very seriously. She is married to the Zero administration and it's policies. She is one of the ship whores and will go down with it. That kind of stink does not wash off.

Posted by: maddogg at September 10, 2010 11:48 AM (OlN4e)

Now you tell me!

145
I think Obama and the MSM WickedPinto'ed her.

heh. How long have you been waiting to use that?

146 One of you New York morons needs to throw some pig's blood on the door of the GZ mosque. 

Do it for New York, your country, and the AoSHQ family.  And video it.  Please.

147 She seems a bit emotionally broken.  I think Obama and the MSM WickedPinto'ed her.  I don't know if she can take another vicious election.  She would also certainly have competition in the primary.

I dunno. She had a lot of support during the last primaries. A lot of folks were pissed that O got the nomination, but they voted for him anyway. Now that O has continued to piss them off, as well as the moderate dems and the independents, if Hillary gets the nod, they will vote for her before they will vote GOP. If O is the candidate, they will either hold their noses and vote GOP or not vote at all.

Hillary is a lot of things, but weak and wishy-washy she ain't.

148

I'd help, but you BURNED ME AT THE STAKE!

...whiny soft bitches...

...grumble...

149 Any NYC morons not doing anything tomorrow? Go to the Burlington mosque and tear pages out of a Koran, make paper airplanes, and throw it at the building.


Don't forget the bacon grease.

150 This non-story is a Journolist creation.  But I doubt it's having the effect they intended.

Posted by: someone

 

Don't be too sure. This may be like the gag a network pulled at a NASCAR event, where they trolled for.. yep, anti-muslim reactions. And they reluctantly admitted that they came up empty.

 

Also remember how much mileage Dems got from false stories about racial slurs when Congressmen were passing through crowds the dat Obamacare was passed. They are still milking that, and it never happened.

Note that we're seeing Obama and the former Gen. Betrayus in agrement on something. If you were a Dem floundering to stay alive, which would you rather defend, agreeing with the general here, or your vote (or lack of one) to denounce the 'betrayus ad'?

151 the double standards employed by the left about Islam and the delicate sensibilities of Muslims who are peaceful unless you know, they aren't, but the idea the government is mobilizing to talk someone out of protesting and suddenly FBI agents show up is truly outrageous.

THAT is the story.

tear pages out of a Koran, make paper airplanes, and throw it at the building.

Many other sites have made and would make terrorist targets given opportunity, deserving reminders of the Jihadist intentions to destroy. There yet remains so much in the world that is not Islamic or a theocracy.  (Can't include the Vatican.) America hosts a multitude of target sites.

Pentagon
Capitol or White House
any American Memorial
any American government building
Christian Churches
Jewish Synagogues
Buddhist Temples
Hindi Temples
Non-Muslim Schools

152

The media has turned a yawn into a national event. It will be interesting to see how many more burnings take place because of all the stupidity ...

153 Posted by: maverick muse at September 10, 2010 12:09 PM (H+LJc)

Don't forget our stadiums and airports.

154 Petraeus spoke first.

Unfortunately, everyone used that as their own opportunity to go too far themselves, on a whim, threatening our constitutional rights.

But it's not the first time that Marxist authoritarians have abused their powers to destroy our rights in America.

155 What's next? Will Obama make it illegal to own a quran unless you're a certified muslim? Can't have someone possibly burning one now can we?

156


take attention away from Islamic Bomb-Iran's nuclear weapons projects

No Slumlord, that's just a foregone conclusion.  It's not being ignored, we simply don't intend to do anything about it.

As BO said, "you'd think they'd say thank you, that's what you'd think"

And I do thank BO.  He has accelerataed the decline of this Republic so quickly that we are teetering on the bring a full 15-20 years sooner than I thought we would be. 

Let's get the mess over with sooner so we can start over again.

157

With all these admin officials calling Terry Jones and giving him their two cents (laura Ingraham calls it the White House telethon), anybody else reminded of the scene from AIRPLANE when they were all lined up to calm down the passenger?

Who's next, Janet Reno gonna go down there and torch Jones?

158 Don't forget our stadiums and airports.


I've always thought shopping malls on black Friday would be a target.

159 Just now: the Mohammedan Mouthpiece is justifying the protection of his Muzzie co-religionists' "rights" to build the GZ mosque.

"We need all the allies we can get" against the terrorists. Including the terrorists themselves.

Fuck "good Muslims." If they don't understand and abide by the customs and sensibilities, let them leave.

That goes for you to, you arrogant, treasonous POS.

160 This is a great example of how media and government attention has given such importance to an attention seeker. Sure, Jones has the constitutional right to burn a Koran if he wants to. But, do we have to make a media circus out of it? That's the "dangerous" part of this whole thing.

161 Mr. President Divideus and His media lackey's what fun, NOT, these last two years have been, I'd almost believe this has been their intent all along.

162
Remember the outrage Obama felt when Scotland released the Lockerbee bomber, the murderer of Americans?

Obama was so outraged he secretly helped facilitate the release.

163 They told me if I voted for McCain the FBI would be used against government dissidents, and they were right.

164 It's totally reasonable that there might be security concerns.  I would expect the FBI to treat those threats seriously and to notify individuals about what to do, who to contact if they see something suspicious, etc.

I am sure that law enforcement in the area is already being severely inconvenienced by this whole ordeal...  no need to judge them until you know what they are doing.

165

Finally shut his droning pie hole, after lecturing the American public, on how to treat Muslims. Thanks but no thanks, fukwit. Save your lectures for Malia, mmkay?

166 "Note that we're seeing Obama and the former Gen. Betrayus in agrement on something."

Well, the point was to make a point of "right-wing bigotry", and shame the middle into voting against the GOP despite the tidal wave.

But not only haven't they caught any big fish -- every major conservative figure has said this guy is stupid or worse -- the gut mood of the country has turned out to be rather closer to "fuck those thin-skinned bastards" than anything else.

167 I'd almost believe this has been their intent all along. Posted by: willow at September 10, 2010 12:19 PM

Almost?

How many more Americans killed and smoking craters on U.S. soil will it take to convince you that Osama Obama is a Muzzie traitor who is is doing OBL's work?

168

What I'm thinking is that you should take a flag, a koran, and a bottle of lighter fluid down to the city hall of any major lib city, light the flag, and then light the Koran. 

What can they do then?  The cognitive dissonance might well tear them asunder.

169
No tolerance for an American citizen to burn a stupid book on his own property.

Yet completely tolerant of releasing the Lockerbee mass-murderer.

Yeah, Jones is the bad guy in all this.

170
People killed or injured by Terry Jones: 0

Violent acts committed by Terry Jones: 0

Threats of violence issued by Terry Jones: 0

171

my earlier post = "nearly to the brinK", not bring. 

Stupid fingers.

172   What I'm thinking is that you should take a flag, a koran, and a bottle of lighter fluid down to the city hall of any major lib city, light the flag, and then light the Koran. 

Then light a doob.  That will totally fuck them up.

173 What I'm thinking is that you should take a flag, a koran, and a bottle of lighter fluid down to the city hall of any major lib city, light the flag, and then light the Koran. 

What can they do then?  The cognitive dissonance might well tear them asunder.

Posted by: s'moron

Better yet.  Get Christopher Hitchens to do it and to burn all the major religious texts.  Allahpundit could breakdance in the background - "Hitch - it's your birfday! it's your birfday!".

174 Indonesia's President Yudhoyono: "Koran burning threatens world peace." So beheading, stoning, murder, mock-medievalism and terrorism don't?

175 "It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."

I'd like to ask the general if he's advocating the suppression of a constitutional right in order to make the military a safe job. Or is he just stating a fact. I'd also like to ask him what he thinks about Odemon using his words.

176

Scribbler, I'm trying to evaluate everything, I might am be a slow learner .

I've always fought a battle within at this administration, are they inept or  idiots or truly malicious,

only thing i'm sure of is i'm often stunned at the craziness.

177 I hope Congressman Daryl Issa adds this to his list of things to investigate come January of next year.

If your CongressCritter is on the House Oversight Committee you should give him/her a jingle also.  The link's for the Republican side though it list Donk members also (not that I think that they'll be calling Holder anyway).

178 How much more subtle or outright support of islam will Obama have to provide before most Americans realize where his allegiance actually is?

179
Israel building houses on their land = threatens peace

Palestinians lobbing mortars into Israel = Israel's fault

180 What I'm thinking is that you should take a flag, a koran, and a bottle of lighter fluid down to the city hall of any major lib city, light the flag, and then light the Koran. 

Then light a doob.  That will totally fuck them up.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

 

Or you could stand on the flag, like President Obama's "friend from the neighborhood", Bill Ayers.

181 The FBI acted stupidly

182

I'd help, but you BURNED ME AT THE STAKE!

Yeah but what good were you doing before that happened? You lost Acre. You couldn't hold Tortosa. You couldn't even keep Arwad.

183

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."

Rosa Parks moment here: If a qualified officer (who is openly gay) is required to interact with local leaders, and some clown from the ROP protests that this is harraum, or harumph (whatever), will Gen Petraeus say this then? Will that office be replaced with someone else? Will gay activists cheer that on? Or will they be hypocrites?

184

Yeah but what good were you doing before that happened?

Hiding the treasure.

185 Other sites of interest to terrorists:  U.S. military bases.

wait....what?

186 Well, the point was to make a point of "right-wing bigotry", and shame the middle into voting against the GOP despite the tidal wave.
And also to shame people into supporting the GZM and shitting on conservatives and Christianity, someone.

That's why the MFM should be held accountable for every death related to the (discussed) koran burning just like those fuckers were responsible for the murders (like the Turkish priest) related to the phoney flushed koran lie.

187

Hiding the treasure.

Everybody knows you didn't have any treasure, the Rosenkreuzians had it all along.

No, De Molay was apparently too busy running a bank to bother with the Levant.

188 I agree with Andycanuck. The Media really needs to be held in the fire for the damage they cause. But  How is it possible?

189

You really want to mess with all of them? Put a book cover on the Bible. Write Koran (or however you want to do the spelling) on it. Burn it, but video it so you capture the part where the cover burns off, revealing what you are actually burning.

Then add a laugh track.

190 Don't burn the Korans; just dip them in pig urine and call it Art.

Voila!

191 You mean our military organized a bible burning protest? I did not know that.

Okay, who exactly is trying to weasel out of an indefensible position here?

192

General Petraeus (and Obammy and everyone else I've heard) condemns the book burning because it might endanger the lives of troops. Odumbass adds the "against American values" bullshit, because, you know, values unstated in the constitution have more value than the constitutional right of free speech.

Um... isn't protecting Americans (and thus their constitutional rights) the point of having a military? Is it now the point of the military and the president to tuck in their tails and play it safe at the expense of our constitution?

Exactly! Also, if our partnership with moderate Muslims is so fragile that this LITTLE incident sends them off on an American troop killing spree, it shows our entire military strategy is built on a foundation of sand.

 

193 "Speaking of lying dwarfs, last week on "The Daily Show" Bloomberg claimed he was having a hamburger with his "girlfriend" when a man came up to him and said of the ground zero mosque: "I just got back from two tours fighting overseas for America. This is what we were all fighting for. You go and keep at it." ...

But back to the main issue: Was Bloomberg having a $150 Burger Double Truffle at DB Bistro Moderne or a more sensible $30 burger at the 21 Club when he bumped into his imaginary veteran?"

I'm not imaginary and it was only one tour of duty, IIRC.

194 To all those who keep referring to Jones as a stupid backwoods hick, I'd just like to say, sincerely, with all my heart, go fuck yourselves. OK, we get it, the swamp-dwellin' bible thumper got your frilly little panties in a bunch with his crass stunt. How terribly gauche. So tell me, have the booger-eatin' Jethros been running this country into the dirt, or has it been the urbane sophisticates with Ivy League degrees?

195

Yeah but what good were you doing before that happened? You lost Acre. You couldn't hold Tortosa. You couldn't even keep Arwad.

Posted by: Entropy at September 10, 2010 12:40 PM (IsLT6)

A temporary setback. 

(looks at modern map)

If by temporary I mean eight hundred years.

196

Muslim Minutae Moment (sponsored by the Buzzing Prayer Mat):

I will wager a hundred dollars that none of the Qurans Jones plans(ned) on burning are actually 'Holy' Qurans.

No English translation is an actual word-of-Allah Quran due to the Arab supremacism which suffuses Islam.  Only the original Arabic Quran is considered the real thing.  

So even by their own standards, they are going to kill people over nothing.

You gotta respect their commitment to organized violence.  Seriously.  

197

I heard Kelly and OReilly offer a purported "distinction" between flag burning and bible burning, the latter having no point other than to give offense, not make a political statement. Kelly cited some case to that effect.

I found that singularly unpersuasive:  if I want to shout to the world that as a man, not the POTUS, Barky is a complete asshole, is that actionable??

If I shouted out, "I hate the Pope and his Church", can the Church sue me?

If I shout out, "I hate the Pope and his Church, and this bible's binding is hideous and offends me.  for all these reasoins I will burn the bible.",  have I committed a crime?

I don't think so.

The FBI has no reason to advise people that they may commit a tort, so I have no idea what they were doing.

Also, I saw that perky Bret Baier stand-in Shannon Bream (sp?) talk about that idiot pastor, with his picture behind her labeled "Bigot".

WTF?  Where is the "we report, you decide"   in that?

That Muslim emir, or whoever he is, that has a financial interest in Fox News, seems to exert his influence all the way onto the programs.

Disturbing.

198 I didn't note who said it, but some substitute female anchor on Fox actually verbally said that the pastor was a bigot. It was said in as an off-hand adjective before his name which proceeded to the story of what he was wanting to do.

I don't know if the man is a bigot or not, but it's obviously not up to some substitute female anchor to editorialize when stating news facts.

Disturbing as hell.

199 I just had a scary thought.  What if Obama is trying to rile us up so he can declare martial law and cancel the elections?

200 .
ProTip: If Janet Reno pops by for a BBQ. Run.

201 Hey, y'all remember all the bombings and beheadings the Catholics did when "The Last Temptation of Christ" came out on DVD?

Yeah. Me neither.

202 I just had a scary thought.  What if Obama is trying to rile us up so he can declare martial law and cancel the elections?

He isn't and all the riling up will be worked out on Nov 2 and 2012.

203

A lot of morons are wondering about the FBI visit and will Obama somehow order law enforcement to stop this.  And people argue that this is protected free speech.

Well, it is protected, but it is going to be surpressed.  This guy may burn a Koran, but he'll never be able to do it again, and no other group will be able to either.

How?  Simple.  The government(s) are going to civilly bankrupt anyone who does by charging them for the costs of security.

Just read the following comment buried deep in the article.

"We are sending a bill for services to the Dove World Outreach Center. We're tracking our costs," said city spokesman Bob Woods. "I'm sure the cost will be substantial."

This is it.  This is how future Koran burnings will be prevented.  When you get a bill for about a million dollars of police overtime and what-not, very quickly people will realize that the government will destroy them financially if they get out of line.

And all the while, the government will point out that you still have full 1st amendment rights.  "Of course we aren't supressing free speech!  We're just recouping taxpayer dollars." 

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they start saying that they're fiscal conservatives for doing so.

It's the old saying, all over again:  Freedom of speech, just watch what you say.

204 Hey, y'all remember when those Catholics kidnapped Sinead O'Connor and sawed her head off on video for tearing up that picture of the pope on SNL?

Yeah. Me neither.

205

Empire of Jeff,

Obviously you've forgotten the Crusades, Inquisition, and Tim McVeigh.  That proves Christianity is just like Islam.  Except I deeply fear respect the peaceful religion of Islam.  It gave us zero and Cordoba, a multicultural early medieval paradise on Earth.     

206 Hey, y'all remember that Catholic high school girl who got stoned to death for giving her boyfriend a beejer?

Yeah. Me neither.

207 Hey, y'all remember how we fought the Crusades to RECAPTURE the Holy Land after the Muslims INVADED it?

Yeah. Me too.

208 Just read something regarding the PA site where Flight 93 went down, nothing has been built there.  The original design was a crescent and pointed to mecca.  Odd that the religion of peace does that kind of thing to mark their "victories".  I say we build churches in Iraq and Afghanistan, or Christian Community Centers.  They shouldn't have a problem with that right?

209

The FBI was down there to talk about the death threats.  From what I've read and watched this is procedure when someone or a institution such as a church (regardless of it's size) has received credible threats.  Do the bloggers really think that they were dispatched to intimidate this guy into not burning a koran and not expect that to come out?  Don't read conspiracy into everything or when the real abuse of power happens (as it's happend before with this administration) it will get lost in the noise.

210

I use my copy of the Koran as a coaster on the anniversary of 9/11. I set an alcoholic beverage on it after I toast the memory of the innocents murdered by Muslim terrorists. I've also been known to set a slice of pepperoni pizza on my copy of the Koran. Since I'm a 1) woman and 2) an infidel, that's probably just as bad as burning it.

And I can do it again and again and again. I've owned that copy of the Koran for 9 years, since I bought it for a buck at a used book shop.

Far more satisfying than burning.

211

sted by: sr449@hotmail.com at September 10, 2010 02:26 PM (LCl7X)

See comment 215.

212 219Hey, y'all remember that Catholic high school girl who got stoned to death?

Yeah. Me neither.

Posted by: Empire of Jeffat September 10, 2010 02:16 PM (ACkZp)

I thought it was impossible to overdose on marijuanna?

213

ed @ 215

Good catch, and chilling, in every sense of the word.  

So now our freedom of speech will be measured in our financial ability to hire security?

I know police moonlight as private security, especially in Gainesville, but this sounds different and unprecedented.    

214

211 I just had a scary thought.  What if Obama is trying to rile us up so he can declare martial law and cancel the elections?

Fantasy.  Obama has NO legal authority, no power,  to cancel any elections, anywhere in the US. 

Elections for the House and the Senate are state elections, in any case.

 

215

muzzies build a mosque on Ground Zero = TOLERANCE!!!

somebody burns a Koran = Let Loose the Hounds!

 

i'm sick of this shit... if anyone needs me i'll be in the shed sharpening my head chopping axe.

216

"We are sending a bill for services to the Dove World Outreach Center. We're tracking our costs," said city spokesman Bob Woods. "I'm sure the cost will be substantial."

At first I thought this statement was crap. Then I realized that this is a Church, it doesn't pay any taxes. So indeed, does the local law have any real responsibility to protect him? Other than moral?

He started it...

217 Pat Buchanan (and Donnie Deutsch) think Jones should be arrested and jailed by the Feds to prevent him from burning the Koran.  I guess Pat forgot the 1st Amendment thingy. And I supported his run in 2000. Damn Pat, WTF?

218 If, and it is a big if, the Republicans can nominate a conservative who can communicate and articulate both the small government, strong defense message and the "we are sick of all this shit" (too much issue shit to list) I think they could get 65% of the vote.

I really think America is tired of the "we are so terrible lets bend over and take it for the rest of the world" meme that we have seen over the last 18 months.

219

If I want to burn that fuckin book of theirs I will, any damn time I please.

Back in my day Hearts and Minds was where we aimed.

220

At first I thought this statement was crap. Then I realized that this is a Church, it doesn't pay any taxes. So indeed, does the local law have any real responsibility to protect him? Other than moral?

He started it...

"Tax exempt" status has nothing to do with anything. 

In this case, a minister, not a church per se, is exercising its free speech rights.  The minister pays taxes, though his situation as to what he pays and for what is a lot more complex than the rest of us.

But he is still a citizen, and still is deserving of Equal Protection under the law.

 What the hell good would freedom of speech and religion be if the government can charge you to the eyeballs, or refuse to defend you, for exercising your rights?

Hypothetical: a synagogue receives threats against its rabbi and its members, requiring police protection.  Someone burns down the synagogue, and the fire department has to come put out the fire.

should the town send the rabbi and his congregation a bill for the extra protective services the police gave, and the expenses of sending out the firemen?

 

 

 

221 It was just Sonny and Guido from Chicago dropping by to suggest that if they don't stop maybe someone might just blow up their church. Just sayin' ya know...

222

Posted by: effinayright at September 10, 2010 04:05 PM (jSs4d)

I agree, up to a point. We pay fire and police to protect us and our property.

However, if I deliberatly set fire to my home, having announced previously that I would do it, doesn't that change things? If you are charged with arson, most states will bill you for the cost of fighting the fire, as part of your sentence.

What I'm saying is that he is incurring the cost. Why not charge him for it?

223 >How about the Obama administration do it's damn job and protect Americans who do dumb things but are exercising their legal rights.



I'm pretty sure he supports American Muslim's right to build a community center in New York.

So there you go.

224

What I'm saying is that he is incurring the cost. Why not charge him for it?Posted by: HH at September 10, 2010 04:20 PM (6oDXl)

And just what fucking law is he breaking?.......................

maybe you think that burning the Koran is or should be illegal so as not to offend the goatfuckers...but it's not and it isn't going to be any time soon.

225

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at September 10, 2010 04:26 PM (OefT/)

Pay attention. I stated that if you are going to burn your own building as a protest, then you will probably be billed by the fire dept.

Don't read anything else into it.

226

Pay attention. I stated that if you are going to burn your own building as a protest, then you will probably be billed by the fire dept.  Don't read anything else into it.    Posted by: HH at September 10, 2010 04:30 PM (6oDXl)

Nice slid job there., my bad, didn't know we were talking about buring his own building. All this time I thought this was about buruning the Koran.

If he wants to burn his church down he pays for it and gets a trip to prison.....the Koran....not so much.

Again, my bad.

 

227

Maybe he could just deep fry the Koran instead of burning it, you know, with a little breading on it, or maybe just sauté it a little bit?

228

Maybe he could just deep fry the Koran instead of burning it, you know, with a little breading on it, or maybe just sauté it a little bit?    Posted by: Chas at September 10, 2010 04:44 PM (D1yfa)

Bacon grease is good for that.

229

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at September 10, 2010 04:42 PM (OefT/)

No problem. Hate to think of the many times I've mis-read a post...

230

"Next thing you'll tell me is that Phelps is also a upstanding man of god that we also should not ridicule like a low life scum deserves." 

Ummm....you mean the Fred Phelps that has a law degree? Is being from Kansas sufficient to be considered a backwoods hick? What about the rest of flyover country, or is that just a label you stick on anyone you disagree with? I had no intention of telling you anything about Phelps, but if beating up a strawman makes you feel all better, have at it.

I will say that you're free to ridicule Phelps, and Jones, without fear of retaliation largely due to the efforts of a lot of stupid backwoods hicks who put their asses on the line to protect yours. At least it's been my experience that there's a disproportionate number of dumb country shitkickers in the military. If you want to lump them in with the likes of Phelps, thats on you.

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At least it's been my experience that there's a disproportionate number of dumb country shitkickers in the military.

Say what???

232 Sarcasm HH, don't blow a gasket.

233 Just to clarify, I don't really care what anybody thinks of Jones. If you think he's nothing but an attention whore pulling a stunt, more power to ya. But whether he's from Bumfuck Arkansas or Brooklyn has absolutely no bearing on the worth of his arguments or actions. I'm just tired of the class bigotry directed at those of us who had the temerity to grow up in a small town or, (shudder) the backwoods.

234

"what if it were a mosque and an iman made a big public announcement that he was going to have a bible burning protest and continued to flame the fires and dared any infidel to do anything about it. 

You think we have an obligation to provide that mosque security through our police force without them incurring at least some of the costs? "

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I asked first, and I say again:  if police forces are going to be allowed to pick and choose which Free Speech rights they will charge to protect, and which citizens they will protect, then we are in deep shit.

Should police forces be able to charge to protect a Gay Pride parade?  An anti-abortion demonstration?  How about a Tea Party gathering in Berkeley?

See where this winds up?  "Free Speech for Me, but Not for Thee"

 

 

 

 

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"However, if I deliberatly set fire to my home, having announced previously that I would do it, doesn't that change things? If you are charged with arson, most states will bill you for the cost of fighting the fire, as part of your sentence.

What I'm saying is that he is incurring the cost. Why not charge him for it?"

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If you deliberately set fire to your own home, you are likely physically endangering the property and lives of others, and would wind up being charged with a crime such as reckless endangerment.

So your example fails, in that Jones isn't committing a crime or even threatening to; moreoever,  the police are protecting  him from those who would commit a crime against him or his property to punish him for asserting his rights. 

But if you live in the middle of nowhere, own your home free and clear, and announce you're going to burn it down, why would the fire department have any reason to come put out the fire?

 

 

236 It's a dopey stunt to burn Korans but it's also protected speech under the First Ammendment just like burning the flag or dumping a crucifix in a jar of urine and calling it Piss Christ or rendering the Virgin Mary in elephant dung and hanging it in an art museum, all things that liberals find to be not only protected speech, but admirable and worthy of government subsidy.  If we want to make a mountain of Korans, make a bonfire of them, and roast weenies on it, that's what the hell we'll do.  This is our America and we won't take orders from a bunch of foreign fanatics who demand infinite respect from us but demonstrate none in return.  Kowtowing to their threats of violence will not keep the peace but only encourage them to make more threats, once they've learned threats work.  Predators are provoked by pacifism, suppressed by a strong offense.  We can't avoid this fight through appeasement.

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Posted by: effinayright at September 10, 2010 05:32 PM (jSs4d)

Yeah, I understand. But if this is a small town, and someone is causing lot's of police, fire protection without a permit, then why not charge them?

I don't disagree, and I can see your point. But if someone is, as I said, burning their own building, then why not charge them for it?

Meanwhile, I'm looking for my gasket...

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But if you live in the middle of nowhere, own your home free and clear, and announce you're going to burn it down, why would the fire department have any reason to come put out the fire?

Because fires have a tendency to spread. And where exactly is the middle of nowhere?

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"Meanwhile, I'm looking for my gasket..."

Ha, don't forget the sealer, and be sure to use a quality torque wrench.

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Ha, don't forget the sealer, and be sure to use a quality torque wrench.

(laughs)

I'll keep that in mind...

241 Korans make as fine a Yule Log as any wood product.

242 A couple of things. First, Obama, our Muslim President, made good his pledge to stand with Muslims against America (in "Dreams") by backing the Ground Zero Mosque and bashing the Koran Burning.

Second, Islam *IS* America's only official, protected religion. No other religion gets personal attention from the President, the Def. Secretary, Petraeus, etc. ISLAM is our official, government sanctioned and protected religion.

Third, ALL America MUST BOW DOWN to Islam and the Koran. All of it. Because it is, see above, our official protected religion, and Muslims world-wide and the President will come and punish you (Muslims with death) if you don't worship it.

Fourth, Muslims and the Muslim world live cheek-by-jowl with us. There is no escaping them. Modern two-way technology, the internet, allows obscure Florida Pastors, or some guy in Wyoming, or some guy in Georgia, and Fred Phelps, to burn Korans and EVERYONE, from Jakarta to Islamabad, to Cairo, to Kabul, to see and hear it. EVERYONE. And of course, Muslims burning bibles, Christians, and Churches, also is inescapable. Search on the internet and you will find it. Governments can no longer control simple, one-way mass communication.

Fifth, it has now begun.

Burning the Koran is the un-official, anti-elite, American rebel way to commemorate and memorialize 9/11, the murder of 3,000 Americans, by Muslims, for Islam, on that day. Jones may or may not burn it, but thousands of other Americans will. As an act of rebellion against our Official, State Sponsored and Protected Religion you all are ordered to worship by Muslims world-wide and Obama and the elites.

There is no "center." There is no moderation. There is no compromise. America will either be ruled by Sharia, bit by bit, as a slave nation to Islam, or it will destroy Islam. There is no fantasy any more of simply withrdrawing to fortress America. The internet alone means everything we do, from eating pork, to unveiled women, to booze, to having dogs as pets, to hell watching Football (the pigskin, get it?) means Muslims are outraged and will kill us until we adopt Sharia and Islam. The fight is eternal, and unavoidable.

Bow down to Islam. Or fight. And the first step in fighting, is burn the Koran. To memorialize the murder of 3,000 of our own, on 9/11, by Muslims, for Islam.

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Let me get this straight. Islamic terrorist organizations and their supporters operate free and clear in this country.  There are Jamaat al Furqa training camps in at least 17 states. They burn bibles and American flags.  They use American internet servers to spread their terrorist jihad and inflammatory rhetoric. They issue fatwas from their mosques. They hoist signs during protests with "death to America" and "behead those who insult Islam" printed on them. But, the FBI doesn't see fit to take any of that as a threat and drop by for a friendly chat.

If you see everything that's going on in this country thanks to Obama and his autocratic thugs, and you're not angry, there's something wrong with that picture.

244  Well, if you haven't had the Secret Service, the FBI or one or another of the Alpha-bits show up for a nice long chat, you're probably doin' that whole freedom thingy the wrong way.

 (Cluebat: The Constitution is dead. The only realistic question is what are you going to do about it?)

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The government shutting them down would look no different.

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