May 28, 2010
— DrewM I meant to post on this yesterday and now it's making national news.
A Michigan woman who fell asleep on a United Express flight to Philadelphia says she woke up and was shocked to find she was alone on the plane.Ginger McGuire said no one had awakened her when the plane landed more than three hours earlier. She said she paced the aisle for about 15 minutes early Tuesday until the locked door opened and police demanded identification.
"Waking up to an empty airplane and not being able to get out - it was very horrifying," McGuire, 36, told reporters Thursday as her lawyer announced a lawsuit.
...McGuire's attorney, Geoffrey Feiger, said his law firm filed a lawsuit against United and Trans States, alleging negligence, false imprisonment and distress. McGuire lives in Ferndale, a Detroit suburb.
"For a crew to leave her there and lock her is beyond a gross abuse," Fieger said.
Feiger btw is the pimple on the butt of humanity that use to represent Jack "Dr. Death" Kervorkian.
It's an outrage that almost a year and half into Obama's term as President adults are still be subjected to the horror of having to take responsibility for waking up. When will America catch up to the rest of the civilized world and institute Comprehensive Alarm Clock Reform legislation?
McGuire was just on FNC with Jane Skinner and Skinner made her look like a fool. She had no answer to why it wasn't her responsibility to get her lazy ass off the plane or even what was in the suit in terms of damages being asked for.
If anyone sees the video of this, let me know, it was cringe inducing but oh such an enjoyable take down of this fool.
If the airline's attorneys were watching they must have been laughing their asses off at the thought of getting this woman on the stand.
On a somewhat more serious note, for security reasons cabin crews really shouldn't let people alone in planes like that.
"1sttofight " found the video.
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Let me be the first to say that this lawyer gives all the rest a bad reputation
15 minutes? pfft
I crap for longer than that.
Posted by: s'moron at May 28, 2010 08:58 AM (UaxA0)
However, Mr. Y-not, who is usually a sensible person, did think she had a case, so I guess there may be enough folks out there to make a favorable jury.
Posted by: Y-not at May 28, 2010 08:59 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: King Barry on Vacay at May 28, 2010 09:00 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 28, 2010 09:01 AM (IhQuA)
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Posted by: Truman North at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (e8YaH)
We did that to my brother in law in a movie theatre once - last show of the night. After everyone left and all the lights were on, we hid and threw raisins at his head until he finally woke up and tried to figure out where he was.
It was funny.
Posted by: TomServo at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (T1boi)
Posted by: Willie 'Neck Brace' Scab-Attnty at Law at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (azgo2)
At least, though, the prof A: laughed it off, and B: was travelling a long distance so his deep sleep was understandable.
Posted by: logprof at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: Dan M at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (iwg7u)
Posted by: AngelEm, misanthrope at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (Aq93A)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 09:03 AM (UOM48)
Feiger btw is the pimple on the butt of humanity that use to represent Jack "Dr. Death" Kervorkian.
Didn't that jizzmop run for governor also? Between him and that whore Granholm, how does Meeechigan manage to exist?
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 28, 2010 09:04 AM (5qjjt)
Bet me she didn't hide in the shitter or something and the whole thing is a set up.
Posted by: Portrnoy at May 28, 2010 09:06 AM (azgo2)
Posted by: CUS at May 28, 2010 09:07 AM (wOGfT)
Let me be clear.....I was alerted to this from day one!
Posted by: Lowell at May 28, 2010 09:10 AM (X1hJl)
I'm betting Ambien with a couple of white wine spritzers to wash it down.
Posted by: Beppo at May 28, 2010 09:10 AM (Iixgl)
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 28, 2010 09:13 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: CUS at May 28, 2010 09:14 AM (wOGfT)
Posted by: Y-not at May 28, 2010 09:14 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Y-not at May 28, 2010 09:15 AM (Kn9r7)
Yeah, I'm a wee tiny bit concerned that the crew didn't insure that the plane was cleared. That's not worrisome at all.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 28, 2010 09:18 AM (8WZWv)
Posted by: Truman North at May 28, 2010 01:02 PM (e8YaH)
Getting bumped and comped is the greatest thing in the world. Mrs Hate and I were approached in San Jose by a United rep regarding a flight to Cleveland that was overbooked. We had gotten there super early (one of Mrs H's phobias that drives me up the fucking wall but worked out well in this instance) and they ended up finding us a flight that got us home *earlier* than our scheduled one did; plus a roundtripper apiece to any destination in the lower 48 (or 55 to the jugeared fuck).
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 28, 2010 09:18 AM (5qjjt)
Three hours after landing she wakes up she claims? Yea right!! She either downed some pretty potent meds to keep her out, or she was hiding in the crapper to set up a case. Feiger is leache's leach type of attorney. A low down scum sucking bottom barrel dwelling parasite.
If it was me, maybe have a little fun and fire up the turbojets or order Chinese take out over the radio.
Posted by: monsterbox at May 28, 2010 09:18 AM (PEtA4)
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 09:18 AM (6taRI)
I feel the crew was negligent -- they should have ensured the plane was empty if for no other reason than terminal security.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 28, 2010 09:20 AM (AlWmG)
You would think that airline crews would do the same thing. Not so much for the passengers but, since the plane would be quickly cleaned and then reloaded with passengers, a person, left on the plane for that little bit of time, might do something to the plane to compromise the next flight? this looks more like a security lapse than anything else.
I'm sure all flight attendants and pilots from all airlines got a memo this morning about this....something like "don't leave the damned plane until you've checked the bathrooms and made sure every seat is empty.
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 09:21 AM (p302b)
OK, I don't get it. How can a bunch of mouth breathing, value-rite snorting, vodka eye-balling, pudding smacking, retards be bagging on some woman for living the Ace 'O Spades lifestyle?
Seriously, anytime I find myself forced to deal with either government or corporate bureaucracies, public or private transportation, employment related issues, or personal interactions with other people, I make sure I am well fortified with either massive quantities of Bacardi 151, amyl nitrite, or fortified gilla monster venom.
Let the first commenter who hasn't passed out in public transportation cast the first stone!
Posted by: Ed at May 28, 2010 09:23 AM (OCfDT)
Posted by: Cicero at May 28, 2010 09:24 AM (QKKT0)
Re: possibilities - generally, it's no harm, no foul. I can't sue you for cutting me off in traffic because you might have hurt me. You have to actually hurt me.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 28, 2010 09:25 AM (8WZWv)
My Sharona!
Posted by: Phat at May 28, 2010 09:28 AM (RbGdb)
gee how bout "take responsibility for yourself?
and f-ing stupid ,cant beleive what constitutes news"""
Posted by: red lemur at May 28, 2010 09:29 AM (GVzbl)
Feiger is leache's leach type of attorney. A low down scum sucking bottom barrel dwelling parasite.
Retract that or you'll hear from our lawyers.
Posted by: International Brotherhood of Low Down Scum-Sucking Bottom Barrel Dwelling Parasites at May 28, 2010 09:30 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at May 28, 2010 09:30 AM (N8eC4)
A looong time ago, I fell asleep in a movie theater. I had already seen one movie in the early afternoon and snuck into another room to watch the animated 'Lord of the Rings' again. (So this was the summer of 1978 and I was thirteen.) I fell asleep for what I'd thought was just a few minutes because the scene being shown was about a third further into the movie.
But when I went outside it was almost dark, making it close to 9 PM. I headed home and was shocked to find out nobody had missed me. My father had died very recently, so my mother wasn't in the best shape but you'd have thought at least one of my four older siblings would have wondered where I was.
More recently, in 2000, I was in New York City for a trade show job. We were staying with a friend in his apartment in New Jersey and the heat had made sleep very difficult. We had an acquaintance who had a snazzy suite on a high floor of the New Yorker (IIRC) hotel. I was permitted to grab some nap time there before heading over to the job site. I was really exhausted, so when I woke I found myself completely disoriented. I had no idea where I was or how I'd gotten there. I had to look out the window and stare at Manhattan a couple of minutes before it all came back to me.
A very odd moment for someone not given to drink.
Posted by: epobirs at May 28, 2010 09:32 AM (IYz8z)
alexthechick at May 28, 2010 01:25 PM (8WZWv)
Don't worry, I don't know anything about Michigan or aviation law either. Neither do I know anything about female sexuality or body parts or emotions or anything at all that would enable me to satisfy them physically, sexually, or emotionally. But I don't let this stop me from blaming all of my many (well, one or two) sexual partners for their lack of ability to orgasam.
I got mine, your pleasure is your responsibility, that's what I always say at the end...
As far as the issue you raise about no harm no foul, if she had to be somewhere, and missed it because the flight crew didn't kick her off the plane, wouldn't that be the harm?
Posted by: Ed at May 28, 2010 09:33 AM (OCfDT)
Posted by: Just Asking at May 28, 2010 09:35 AM (UQzy0)
You got that right!
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 28, 2010 09:36 AM (Kn9r7)
Yes, but I believe you need to demonstrate damages/harm, not just negligence. So it seems to me that the damages are whatever the 15 minutes of stress involved.
Does anyone know if she had a cell phone?
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 28, 2010 09:38 AM (Kn9r7)
As soon as they locked her in, it's all on them.
If it were me stuck in there, I wouldn't have been thinking lawsuit, but I'd have busted out in the most plane-damaging way I could make happen with what's around.
Posted by: oblig. at May 28, 2010 09:39 AM (x7Ao8)
Complete with "vroom-vroom" noises and pretend radio chatter with the tower.
Posted by: Swet Lou at May 28, 2010 09:42 AM (eye/E)
"38"
You probably didn't live through the summer of 1979, or you wouldn't have made that claim...
Nuke The Knack
Posted by: Hurry Hard at May 28, 2010 09:43 AM (aOxNf)
Her damages are what she suffered. 15 minutes of anxiety.
What "could have" happened can't be compensated, after all, how could it? Her family could have dies during that time, but it didn't.
So, she might likely get the case to jury, but what jury will award her any money for 15 minutes. Even if she is the proverbial eggshell plaintiff?
Posted by: s'moron at May 28, 2010 09:44 AM (UaxA0)
But I digress.
Many years ago Mr. Y-not were taking a cab ride in Chicago. Crappy cab with bald tires and the driver was none to careful. It was winter, there was black ice, and the car spun out. We were inconvenienced - they had to get us a new cab so there was a delay of standing in the cold - but that was it. No injuries.
Some time later we were contacted by the cab company (or their law firm, I can't recall which) to see if we were planning on suing and to offer us a settlement. We told them to forget about it. We had no intention of suing.
When the airline industry is suffering as badly as it is - and I fully acknowledge that much of that is their own fault, but some of it isn't - why do we want to applaud a woman who at most deserves a free airline ticket for her troubles?
Posted by: Y-not at May 28, 2010 09:46 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Y-not at May 28, 2010 09:50 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at May 28, 2010 09:51 AM (N8eC4)
Once, a hobo masturbated onto my foot while I was passed out at the First Ave L train stop.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 28, 2010 09:52 AM (mHQ7T)
" A-Mex 4-0-3, contact departure, adios."
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 28, 2010 09:55 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Y-not at May 28, 2010 09:56 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 28, 2010 10:01 AM (xHHUU)
I attended Clinton's inauguration my junior year of high school. When we all got on a subway, I had dawdled a bit and missed the train. The teacher was on it already and nobody held the door. I forget where we were going. I think for some famous MD crabs in Georgetown. I went back to the hotel where hobos were having sex very loudly next door.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 28, 2010 10:01 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 28, 2010 10:04 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Steve L. at May 28, 2010 10:05 AM (Gkhxf)
"Damages" are what the monetary value is for pain and suffering. What is the monetary value of her "suffering" while she was asleep?
If you "kidnap" an unconscious person, and release them before they awake, you can be charged with a crime, and they can sue you for the tort of false imprisonment. But damages are limited to the pain and suffering ACTUALLY INCURRED in the course of the tort.
Dignitary harms, such as defamation, carry different damages rules, but for physical torts you have non-economic damages and economic damages. Non-econ damages are limited to what is actually suffered, or else you are treading into "punitive" territory, a mistrial, and likely a Bar sanction. The damages from false imprisonment are the inability to leave and the trauma associated with that limitation.
One can certainly argue (and I expect this shyster to do so) that whether for one minute or one week, the restraint on liberty effected the victim just as deeply, but the jury isn't gonna buy that, I can tell you. But no matter what, you cannot argue for damages that the victim did not incur.
This woman sleeping through her imprisonment--to the extent it can be considered that under Michigan law--cannot form part of her damages. Finger (what I'm calling the creep) can argue that she should be compensated generally for the loss of liberty, but he'll draw an objection if he starts going off about "for three hours she was detained!"
Posted by: s'moron at May 28, 2010 10:05 AM (UaxA0)
Tattoo De Plane
Well, I was drunk the day that Mama got outta prison.
And I went to pick her up in the rain.
But, before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train.
LMAO on the hobo story. Is it true?
Posted by: s'moron at May 28, 2010 10:08 AM (UaxA0)
65+ comments and no one thought to break into the onboard liquor cabinet?
Radio chatter could also include stuff from Airplane (Gimme a vector, Victor), and Top Gun (Maverick requesting a fly-by).
How long do you think it would have taken them to figure out the transmissions were coming from a parked, locked plane?
Posted by: TXMarko at May 28, 2010 10:19 AM (4ANH2)
Posted by: wheels within wheels at May 28, 2010 10:22 AM (4WbTI)
http://tinyurl.com/3y8yt77
I fail to see how she was harmed. And emotional damage is bullshit.
Posted by: Mephistefales at May 28, 2010 10:27 AM (/uU9i)
Posted by: 1sttofight at May 28, 2010 10:28 AM (AfcDN)
I think this shows how passenger flight attendent relations have become adversarial over the last decade.
I'm not saying I condone it, but I suspect these flight attendents left her on the plane as a form of retaliation.
I mean, if you were a flight attendent, trying to serve people and protect them, and this person can't even be bothered to stay awake during the safety brief, to act engaged when flight attendents try to serve you, to even ask a simple question "how are you doing, thanks for everything", can you really be surprised at what happened?
Clearly, these flight attendents left here there as a passive aggressive response to this passengers total indiffernece to flight attendents and their work.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's what happened.
Posted by: Art Diego at May 28, 2010 10:29 AM (OCfDT)
Who feels safe?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 28, 2010 10:42 AM (PufQP)
Is that one of their duties as specified in their contract? They have a union.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 28, 2010 10:44 AM (PufQP)
Posted by: AFFA at May 28, 2010 10:51 AM (PikVG)
Posted by: Jean at May 28, 2010 11:01 AM (mtAmx)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 28, 2010 11:04 AM (0QJjg)
Wake up, little Susie, wake up --
We've both been sound asleep,
Wake up, little Susie, and weep,
The movie's over, it's four o'clock,
And we're both in trouble deep ...
The movie wasn't so hot,
It didn't have much of a plot,
We fell asleep, our goose is cooked,
Our reputation is shot...
Wake up. little Susie,
We gotta go home...</a>
Posted by: Mary in LA at May 28, 2010 11:11 AM (JYxmy)
Talk about having way too much money.
He claims tort reform is just like, after sitting for hours or days on a jury, and coming up with a verdict, you then have the government come in and change it on you.
What a fzcking sleaze.
Posted by: K~Bob at May 28, 2010 11:14 AM (9b6FB)
I honestly don't understand most people's reaction to this story. I've no doubt the woman's stupid, and I think it's weird she could sleep so soundly--but the airline locked her in! You honestly want to tell me you think that's even close to OK?
Besides, maybe Abdul Abu Muhammed might wanna know feigning sleep would get him some uninterrupted time on board a plane.
Posted by: Best thief in Lankhmar at May 28, 2010 11:18 AM (2ajJo)
Posted by: United Express Cleaning Crew at May 28, 2010 11:19 AM (jvG2F)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 28, 2010 11:19 AM (0QJjg)
<blockquote>I honestly don't understand most people's reaction to this story. I've no doubt the woman's stupid, and I think it's weird she could sleep so soundly</blockquote>
I think some kind of sedative was probably involved. Not an excuse, just a possible explanation.
<blockquote>--but the airline locked her in! You honestly want to tell me you think that's even close to OK?</blockquote>
No, definitely not OK. Pretty stupid on the part of the airline, possibly criminally negligent. However, not grounds for her to sue for one meeeeeeellion dollars (/ Dr. Evil).
<blockquote>Besides, maybe Abdul Abu Muhammed might wanna know feigning sleep would get him some uninterrupted time on board a plane. </blockquote>
A very fair point.
Posted by: Mary in LA at May 28, 2010 11:26 AM (JYxmy)
Posted by: Mary in LA at May 28, 2010 11:27 AM (JYxmy)
I'm speculating: had one gone ahead and lit a cigarette, would an alarm have gone off? Would you have had to pay the room-cleaning fee? Would the airline have had to take the airliner out of service for second-hand smoke amelioration? And how about those flammable and carcinogenic interior fabrics? It's been so long since smoking was legal, who knows if the whole damn thing might have just flashed off like a Chinese fireworks ash-snake?
OK some will say that's just gross. You know who you are. What about this concept that she hid in the lavatory...and the cleaning crew didn't find her?
Posted by: comatus at May 28, 2010 12:05 PM (YN/Le)
All that said, I think her damages should be constrained to wasting three hours of her life, and to hell with the "I was scared" BS. So f*ing what, you don't have a right NOT to be scared on a plane. Reasonable people would not be scared just because they woke up in an empty plane. They would be concerned, yes, but give me money scared, nope. Give her a ticket and call it good.
The security issue? That is troubling; to think a Jihadi might be one hard sleep from a free airliner is somewhat disconcerting.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 28, 2010 12:22 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Mary in LA
Click the thingy that looks like arrow brackets < > at the top of the comments tab for html...though not all html will work.
I use that all the time to close the damn auto-format italics...
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Ah, I see. I have Javascript turned off and pop-ups blocked, because they are eeeeeevil. That explains why the source editor window didn't come up. Thanks!
Posted by: Mary in LA at May 28, 2010 01:58 PM (JYxmy)
The BEST part, however, would be the next morning when the poor pilot or maintenance man or whoever opened the door to the airplane and I jumped out from behind a corner and yelled BOO!
Now that I think about it, this would make a great movie. It would be like "Career Opportunities", but on an airplane...
Posted by: Swet Lou at May 28, 2010 02:00 PM (eye/E)
Listening to her interview, I wouldn't be surprised if this womam was a complete b*tch towards the flight attendents. She sounds like an empty headed, entitlement seeking, gold digging, type of person. Maybe locking her in was retaliation from the flight crew.
Posted by: monsterbox at May 28, 2010 02:35 PM (PEtA4)
That said, she's more than 50% at fault, so any 'damages' she might have incurred would be reduced by her own liability. Moreover, it is clear she had NO damages--when asked on multiple occasions what she wanted from the suit she said she didn't know. If she had nightmares about being locked in a plane, suffered "dumbass locked up" syndrome or something similar, she'd know it. She's just mad b/c nobody did what she should have done herself.
If I were on the jury I'd give her a total of $.01 for her inconvenience of having to call someone upon waking up, reduced by her 90% fault. I'd then round down and give her nada, other than some invaluable advice to get a life and a better attorney (one that will tell her she's stupid next time she asks if she has a case).
Posted by: Bawney Frank's Missing Y Chromosome at May 28, 2010 02:48 PM (AdWYx)
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Posted by: RJ at May 28, 2010 04:06 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 28, 2010 01:52 PM (mHQ7T)
You lucky bastard. There are people who will pay good money for that...er....so I've heard.
Posted by: Bill H at May 28, 2010 07:23 PM (q8CmE)
@17: Don't ask how we manage to exist. It's become a true burden on the four of us left in the state actually still paying taxes.
Posted by: Angie at May 28, 2010 08:11 PM (wtmPb)
It is the cabin crew's responsibility to check the plane and make sure no one is on board.
She has no grounds for a suit, but the airline does have grounds to change their operating procedures to ensure this doesn't happen again.
If she was asking for an apology I might understand, but money?
Dumb bitch can suck my dick.
Posted by: Lee at May 29, 2010 12:33 AM (zF8wD)
For those who say the woman has no case, consider this: Is it okay to pull a plane into a hangar, close up, turn off the lights, and leave a passenger sleeping in the plane alone?
Of course not.
The airline is a "common carrier." Here's the rule: "All common carriers have the duty to exercise utmost care and extraordinary diligence in any contract of carriage."
The airline's conduct was clearly below the standard of care.
On the flip side, I watched the video. This woman exists to make a box of rocks look like Stephen Hawking.
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