June 18, 2010

World Cup: USA v. Slovenia
— Gabriel Malor

Starting in just five minutes, it's our second match. The largest nation in the tournament (us) faces the itty-bittiest (Slovenia).

If we lose this match, we're out and won't be moving on to the Round of 16. If we draw, the next match will be a nail-biter. If we win, w00t.

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Slovenia, which wears distinctive striped jerseys that resemble Charlie Brown's shirts, pretty much views the United States the way the Americans look at soccer powers. At the World Cup for just the second time, the Slovenes are ranked 25th, 11 spots behind the U.S.

Slovenia is seeking to follow its opening 1-0 win over Algeria with a victory that would be received here with cries of "Ayoba," a South African expression used for surprising events.

Midfielder Andrej Komac doesn't think a Slovene win would be so surprising. He boldly predicted victory, prompting U.S. goalkeeper Tim Howard to respond: "Talk is cheap."

Howard, by the way, is okay to play after taking a kick to the ribs during the England match. Our guys will be in away-game blue.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 05:55 AM | Comments (375)
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1 BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Posted by: Vuvuzela at June 18, 2010 05:57 AM (FkKjr)

2 US is the largest nation?? In terms of what?

Posted by: beedubya at June 18, 2010 05:58 AM (AnTyA)

3 Going over to the Jawa Report to see if they have anymore pics of topless World Cup babes.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2010 05:59 AM (mAhn3)

4 OK..OK..we are a tad larger than Brazil geographically

Posted by: beedubya at June 18, 2010 06:00 AM (AnTyA)

5 The largest nation in the tournament (us) faces the itty-bittiest (Slovenia). The US is the largest muslim nation in the tournament. Don't you bitter clingers listen to me? Let me send you an iPod, you Western dogs.

Posted by: The Indonesian Imbecile at June 18, 2010 06:01 AM (Qp4DT)

6 Big F'n Deal.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 18, 2010 06:02 AM (2jp4I)

7 Eat elbow, you Slovenian dogs!!!!!

Posted by: lincolntf at June 18, 2010 06:04 AM (TPEo9)

8 Anybody know any good anti Slovenian insults?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 06:07 AM (z4es9)

9 Go to the Wizbang blog and the weekend photo caption contest is all you need to know about the World Cup.

Posted by: CDR M at June 18, 2010 06:07 AM (BuYeH)

10

Anybody know any good anti Slovenian insults?

Greasy Bohunks? 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 18, 2010 06:08 AM (DPM1U)

11 So far the USA looks like shit

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:09 AM (0GFWk)

12 GOGOGOGO!

Posted by: Crashpanic at June 18, 2010 06:10 AM (t6BV4)

13 Nobody gives a shit.

Posted by: Dan Patterson at June 18, 2010 06:13 AM (Z7WZo)

14 So, let's beat the other guys at...whatever it is they are doing.

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 06:13 AM (ZESU0)

15 Scored on by a Slovenian. The shame, the shame...

Posted by: lincolntf at June 18, 2010 06:13 AM (TPEo9)

16

"If we lose this match, we're out and won't be moving on to the Round of 16."

Great, let's end this thing here!

Posted by: Sean at June 18, 2010 06:13 AM (9Gi0o)

17 Fuckity fuck Howard! Look like you're trying at least!

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at June 18, 2010 06:13 AM (HpT9p)

18 Ayoba!!

Posted by: BearMtnBob at June 18, 2010 06:14 AM (0dpcg)

19 Aw shit, they scored.

Posted by: Crashpanic at June 18, 2010 06:14 AM (t6BV4)

20 If you know the proper procedure for getting dormouse fat stains out of a velour tracksuit, you might be a Slovenian.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 18, 2010 06:16 AM (HaYO4)

21 Tim Howard didn't even twitch while the ball sailed past him. Maybe those pesky Slovenian gangsters made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 18, 2010 06:16 AM (TPEo9)

22 America: B+

Posted by: Zimriel at June 18, 2010 06:17 AM (9Sbz+)

23 US is the largest nation?? In terms of what?

Debt and serial killers leap to mind.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 18, 2010 06:18 AM (zk7AY)

24 Solid B+

Posted by: BearMtnBob at June 18, 2010 06:18 AM (0dpcg)

25 US is the largest nation?? In terms of what?

Posted by: beedubya at June 18, 2010 09:58 AM (AnTyA)

Well, 52% are absolute idiots. 

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2010 06:20 AM (VuLos)

26 Soccer?  Isn't there some grass growing  or paint drying somewhere?

Posted by: huerfano at June 18, 2010 06:20 AM (rqC5o)

27 21 Heh.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 18, 2010 06:20 AM (TPEo9)

28 stultifyingly boring. deep, death-like coma inducing boredom.

Posted by: Vergeltung at June 18, 2010 06:21 AM (jttPx)

29 Soccer Fan Injured by Vuvuzela Urges Ban

(NewsCore) - A German soccer fan is being treated for an ear injury supposedly inflicted by a vuvuzela, Germany's Bild reported Thursday.

Sven Wipperfurth suffered pain and hearing loss after an anonymous trumpeter unleashed a blast from the controversial instrument right next to his ear Sunday.

He's been off work sick since and is on medication for tinnitus -- a constant ringing in the ears -- after doctors diagnosed what could be the worldÂ’s first case of a vuvuvela-inflicted injury, the German tabloid said.

---

"It was so loud that I winced," Wipperfurth told Bild. "These devilÂ’s trumpets must be banned!"

Posted by: Cal-res Johanssen, Official Bicycle Seat of the Obama Administration at June 18, 2010 06:22 AM (9XOWS)

30

Fuck behind again.

Come on USA..... !!!!!

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 06:24 AM (JS+7s)

31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noOHdTQd6H8

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 06:24 AM (z4es9)

32 We down a goal? This game's out of reach already.

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 06:24 AM (OThQg)

33 Soccer isn't a sport. It is communist, homosexual activity.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at June 18, 2010 06:24 AM (QBQcg)

34 $100 on the Slovack's to win.  It World-Football...yawn...

Posted by: Paladin at June 18, 2010 06:24 AM (WGbtD)

35 Soccer was invented by European women to keep themselves busy while their men cooked.

Posted by: Hank Hill at June 18, 2010 06:26 AM (FkKjr)

36 They just showed a fat guy, real fat, without a shirt drinking a brewski. I am not sure what side he was rooting for?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:27 AM (0GFWk)

37

@ 48%er at June 18, 2010 10:24 AM (OThQg)

 

No it's not.

Keep calm.

Play with a fast ball curiculation to outfox slovenia and the chances will come.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 06:28 AM (JS+7s)

38

the vuvuzuela would make a good soundtrack for my life lately

http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/

 

Posted by: kallisto at June 18, 2010 06:29 AM (+FkcS)

39

If we draw, the next match will be a nail-biter.

The words "soccer" and "nail-biter" are mutually exclusive terms. And that old grizzled gym coach was always right.

Posted by: angryoldfatman at June 18, 2010 06:29 AM (Yw4kE)

40 Keep calm.  Heh

He would have to give a shit to not be perfectly calm right now.

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 06:29 AM (ZESU0)

41 Listen if you want the USA to win, I need a little help here. My last 100 thousand went to that English goalkeeper. I'm all tapped out

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:30 AM (0GFWk)

42

"They just showed a fat guy, real fat, without a shirt drinking a brewski. I am not sure what side he was rooting for?"

Did he have a unibrow and a goat's milk mustache?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 18, 2010 06:31 AM (HaYO4)

43 37 That's Uncle Shvartka, he traveled all the way from Ptuj on a donkey!

Posted by: Slovenian in the Hizzouse. at June 18, 2010 06:31 AM (TPEo9)

44 The words "soccer" and "nail-biter" are mutually exclusive terms.

I dunno. I was at the Womens Olympic gold medal match in '96 (USA vs China) and it was one of the most exciting sporting events I've ever been to. And I'm not normally a soccer fan.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 06:32 AM (z4es9)

45

GO SLOVENIA!

Posted by: Preznent Obama at June 18, 2010 06:33 AM (JKe0g)

46
The United States team plays like unmedicated schizophrenics coached by medicated schizophrenics

A gynecologist buddy told me every vuvuzela is different.

Posted by: Beto at June 18, 2010 06:34 AM (j5CHE)

47

@ Shrek at June 18, 2010 10:29 AM (ZESU0)

 

He cares enough to complain about an already lost game.

You are a patriot rooting for the opponents of the USA?

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 06:35 AM (JS+7s)

48 Can you vejazzle your vuvuzela?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 06:36 AM (z4es9)

49 Can you vejazzle your vuvuzela? Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 10:36 AM (z4es9) With enough Viagra I can

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:37 AM (0GFWk)

50

Go Molvania!!!  The Brzezk Daycare has 25 cartons of cigarettes riding on this game!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 18, 2010 06:38 AM (DPM1U)

51 Hey all you people bitching about watching the USA soccer game, what would you normally be watching, The View???????

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:39 AM (0GFWk)

52 Dear Lord let this sorry ass bunch of Slovaks win.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 18, 2010 06:39 AM (8WOM0)

Posted by: Mjim at June 18, 2010 06:39 AM (mMdWG)

54

You are a patriot rooting for the opponents of the USA?

Posted by: gdg

I would have to care to be rooting for opponents of the USA, yes?

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 06:39 AM (ZESU0)

55 There's only one way to be forever rid of this World Cup menace...

Posted by: An old priest and a young priest at June 18, 2010 06:39 AM (+FkcS)

56 Can someone explain to me why is it, that they Run Faster after they score a goal, than when they were playing trying to score?

Posted by: Paladin at June 18, 2010 06:40 AM (WGbtD)

57 what a shit call from that scrub of a ref.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 18, 2010 06:40 AM (eCAn3)

58 Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 10:39 AM (0GFWk)

Who says we are watching?

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 06:40 AM (ZESU0)

59 what a shit call from that scrub of a ref. Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 18, 2010 10:40 AM (eCAn3) He kinda looked like Obama didn't he?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:41 AM (0GFWk)

60 USA deserves a GOAL... Come on, Yankees, you can do it better!

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 06:41 AM (5OEl9)

61 He kinda looked like Obama didn't he?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 10:41 AM (0GFWk)


did he say "Let me be clear, I inherited that call from the previous ref"?

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 18, 2010 06:41 AM (eCAn3)

62 Slovenia scores AGAIN! USA is cooked.

Posted by: Mjim at June 18, 2010 06:42 AM (mMdWG)

63 Other than men that interior decorate and put little wear on the soles of their loafers,  really give a chit about soccer?

Posted by: Barbarian at June 18, 2010 06:42 AM (EL+OC)

64 Who says we are watching? Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 10:40 AM (ZESU0) I was about to say the game is getting good but all of a sudden we are down 2-0

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:42 AM (0GFWk)

65

Slovenia -- gheyest after goal dance ever. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 18, 2010 06:42 AM (DPM1U)

66 Ugh.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 06:42 AM (z4es9)

67

@Shrek

Goal...

 the taliban and shrek are cheering !

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 06:42 AM (JS+7s)

68 So how about them Knicks?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:43 AM (0GFWk)

69 Shouldn't we have sent Peyton Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, Adrian Peterson and other recognizable players instead of these no-name guys?

Posted by: Spank at June 18, 2010 06:43 AM (xO+6C)

70 A Slovenia made the winning free throws last night for the Lakers and now this? This is like the greatest 24 hours of sports in the history of Slovenia.

Posted by: huh at June 18, 2010 06:43 AM (+ABdJ)

71

 the taliban and shrek are cheering !

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 10:42 AM (JS+7s)

Yeah, the taliban are huge fans of Christians from the Balkans.

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 06:44 AM (ZESU0)

72 If we lose this match, we're out and won't be moving on to the Round of 16.

Not fair.  By telling me this -- and holding out the prospect of reduced tv coverage -- I am compelled to root for a loss. 

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2010 06:45 AM (Kn9r7)

73 Never Say Die. It ain't over yet.

Posted by: Touchdown Jesus at June 18, 2010 06:46 AM (nBE5A)

74 OK time to go to the second option. Go ITALY

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 06:46 AM (0GFWk)

75

@  Shrek at June 18, 2010 10:44 AM

 

You must be soooo proud of yourself.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 06:46 AM (JS+7s)

76

Shouldn't we have sent Peyton Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, Adrian Peterson and other recognizable players instead of these no-name guys?

Not to mention Patrick Kane and Ryan Miller...

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 18, 2010 06:46 AM (DPM1U)

77
I played fullback and goal and can tell you for a fact, these USA defensive backs are stupid.

Posted by: Beto at June 18, 2010 06:47 AM (j5CHE)

78 Where're the hot Dutch blondes at?

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2010 06:47 AM (LUllJ)

79 Soccer Ghey?

Well, Gabe made the post, point made?

Thank GOD the stupid NBA is over for the year.  The thugs can go back to their blonde bimbos and leave us alone.

Please God get us to Football ASAP, I am sick of these weenie sports.

Posted by: Kemp at June 18, 2010 06:48 AM (vSiVD)

80 Where're the hot Dutch blondes at?

Hard to tell if they're real blonds because they shave their vuvuzelas

Posted by: Beto at June 18, 2010 06:50 AM (j5CHE)

81

Team USA is right on track. That was a perfectly played half, just the way I drew it up and asked them to play it. This 5-2 win will be so exciting that 37 more Americans will watch their next game and actually cheer for them.

Posted by: Pele at June 18, 2010 06:51 AM (nBE5A)

82 *ahem* do re mi . . .

Posted by: the fat lady at June 18, 2010 06:52 AM (9Sbz+)

83

Is it worth my while to drive up to DC to see Strasburg pitch against the Sox? 

Then again, Obama will no doubt be there rooting on his favorite team, so maybe I'll take in Sunday's game. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 18, 2010 06:52 AM (DPM1U)

84 The women's Olympic win over China...wasn't that when the US goalie cheated and moved before the free kick to block one shot to win?

Posted by: Paladin at June 18, 2010 06:53 AM (WGbtD)

85 thought this was a manly site...Soccer???

Posted by: LtE113 (Mike in Chicago) at June 18, 2010 06:53 AM (jQveR)

86 I'm glad we're going to be gone- I'm sick of ESPN shoving this lame sport down our throats from a 3rd world backwater. Speaking of losers- Barry at 41%- feel the love, thuggy.

Posted by: jjshaka at June 18, 2010 06:53 AM (iknVB)

87 Definitely worth seeing Strasburg.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2010 06:54 AM (TPEo9)

88 #90

Never thought of that, hate to cheer against USA, but if it will get Ghey soccer off the TV, maybe I should.

Posted by: Kemp at June 18, 2010 06:56 AM (vSiVD)

89 Enough of these girlie guys in short-shorts; when's the NFL start?

Posted by: VoteOutIncumbents at June 18, 2010 06:57 AM (DezMz)

90

Now I know what the US army must feel when code pink is cheering them on.

 

Brrrr.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 06:57 AM (JS+7s)

91 Can't say I care much about this match, or soccer at all, but I am glad too the NBA season is over. Vastly overpaid thugs who pay more attention to how many tattoos they can squeeze onto their skin then to how to actually play team basketball.

Posted by: changer1701 at June 18, 2010 06:57 AM (xktXL)

92
In other news that won't be news -- Individual Mandate IS a tax.

FREE HEALTH CARE!  other than higher taxes you must all now pay...

In order to protect the new national health care law from legal challenges, the Obama administration has been forced to argue that the individual mandate represents a tax -- even though Obama himself argued the exact opposite while campaigning to pass the legislation.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 18, 2010 06:58 AM (0fzsA)

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 18, 2010 06:58 AM (9hSKh)

94 92 I misspoke sort of. They'll still broadcast it but the ratings will stink.

Posted by: jjshaka at June 18, 2010 06:59 AM (iknVB)

95 Well if we lose, at least it'll be one less group of visitors to the White House.

Posted by: CDR M at June 18, 2010 06:59 AM (Mv/2X)

96 Looks like the US will be going home early. Nearly impossible feat to score 3 goals against the stingiest defence in Euro WC qualifying.

Posted by: william at June 18, 2010 07:00 AM (CSh9B)

97 Yeah soccer is boring to watch on TV. I just can't wait to watch Gold this afternoon?????????

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:01 AM (0GFWk)

98 Yeah soccer is boring to watch on TV. I just can't wait to watch Gold this afternoon????????? Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 11:01 AM (0GFWk) OOps that's golf

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:01 AM (0GFWk)

99 Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 11:01 AM (0GFWk)

What, there are no options for you except to watch TV?

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 07:02 AM (ZESU0)

100 Fuck soccer and fuck the world cup.  Soccer is for commies.

Posted by: Ken Royall at June 18, 2010 07:02 AM (9zzk+)

101 I enjoy soccer, but a sport where even great players act surprised as shit for scoring a goal - understand that point, surprised for "making a point" in their sport, tells me something should be done to open up the game more. Maybe remove the offsides rule and allow for "basket-hanging" like in basketball - give us something!

Posted by: JDW at June 18, 2010 07:02 AM (uw+0A)

102

Soccer sucks. Nobody important cares.

It's a "small person" sport, as Carl-Henric Svanberg might say.

Slovenia ... would be received here with cries of "Ayoba," a South African expression

Um... .why? No - don't answer that. I don't care.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 07:03 AM (IsLT6)

103 OOH we scored

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:04 AM (0GFWk)

104 USA! USA!

oh, nvm.

Posted by: rockhead at June 18, 2010 07:04 AM (RykTt)

105

GOAOOOOOOOOOL !!!!!!!! 

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:04 AM (JS+7s)

106 USA Scores!!!

Posted by: Mjim at June 18, 2010 07:05 AM (mMdWG)

107 WHAT A GOAL!!! COME ON, BEAUTIFUL GOAL, A TYPICAL "GOLAÇO"

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 07:05 AM (5OEl9)

108 Is that the game where a bunch of guys in shorts run around acting like their arms are paralyzed? 

Posted by: kansas at June 18, 2010 07:05 AM (mka2b)

109 What, there are no options for you except to watch TV? Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 11:02 AM (ZESU0) Well yeah I could do some work, but why would I want to do that when the Gov is going to get most of it?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:05 AM (0GFWk)

110 GOOOOOAALLL

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 07:05 AM (OThQg)

111 Soccer hooligans vs Philadelphia fans in a street fight.  Discuss.

I'd bet the farm on the hooligans. They plan their fights.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 07:06 AM (z4es9)

112 Yawn. I could care less whether we beat Slovenia in soccer or tiddly winks. I think of badminton or bocce ball as a cut above soccer.

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 18, 2010 07:06 AM (uFdnM)

113 @102
Really?  Let's compare the venues for the World Cup versus the U.S. Open

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2010 07:06 AM (Kn9r7)

114 Take that Czechoslovakia!!1!

Posted by: Spank at June 18, 2010 07:07 AM (xO+6C)

115 119 @102 Really? Let's compare the venues for the World Cup versus the U.S. Open. Ok ys got a point there.

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:07 AM (0GFWk)

116 Seems like the US could score a lot more goals but they have some guy with gloves in front of the goal stopping the ball from going in. Is that fair?

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 07:08 AM (OThQg)

117 Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 10:57 AM (JS+7s) Really? Really? You are comparing Code Pink's hatred for the Army to our mocking a crappy sport that no one cares about? Really? Are you a communist homosexual?

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at June 18, 2010 07:09 AM (QBQcg)

118 #123  You may now proceed to complain how boring golf is.

Ever watch golf on TV?  It's like watching flies fuck!

Posted by: George Carlin at June 18, 2010 07:09 AM (9hSKh)

119 We are back in this!

Posted by: Crashpanic at June 18, 2010 07:09 AM (t6BV4)

120 I'm looking forward to watching the US Open this weekend. You may now proceed to complain how boring golf is. Posted by: polynikes at June 18, 2010 11:08 AM (m2CN7) I going to Cooperstown

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:10 AM (0GFWk)

121 Ever watch golf on TV? It's like watching flies fuck! Posted by: George Carlin at June 18, 2010 11:09 AM (9hSKh) Yeah but since your dead and buried, it's not like you have anything better to do?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:11 AM (0GFWk)

122 Wait! Maybe if we whip Slovenia, Oilbama will take a trip there to apologize on behalf of our way of life and bullying athletes. Perhaps the trip will pre-empt another trip to the gulf coast and spare us another speech and photo op.

Things to like.

Posted by: Ever the optimist, gazing at a half ull glass of val-u-rite at June 18, 2010 07:12 AM (uFdnM)

123 I think that making the goals twice as large as they currently are would help a lot...same goes for hockey.



Remember when Eddie LaBeck stopped those 24 shots on goal?
Yea that was great....too bad he let those other 42 get by.

Posted by: Paladin at June 18, 2010 07:13 AM (WGbtD)

124 People on field are massively supporting USA

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 07:15 AM (5OEl9)

125 Vuvuzelas banned at Wimbledon.

No word on whether nubile Dutch blondes in orange miniskirts are allowed.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2010 07:15 AM (LUllJ)

126

@ Old grizzled gym coach

No, I'm compairing the bitching of code pink against team USA about a game they don't like.

Thats all, like some here are convinced soccer is some kind of commie conspiracy.

Whehehe, it is sometimes amusing and I know it is not that serious but some really seem to mean it.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:16 AM (JS+7s)

127 I am looking forward to watching golf. The golf and ambien/sex robot is 5 strokes behind. I love that guy. You just know he's itching for a relapse. Yea.

Posted by: Ever the optimist, gazing at a half ull glass of val-u-rite at June 18, 2010 07:16 AM (uFdnM)

128 I hate soccer.

Posted by: Tea-Baggin Racist at June 18, 2010 07:16 AM (Vui52)

129 I think the final score will be 41 - 58.  Oops, nevermind, thats Odipstick's new approval rating from Razzenhoffengrupenmiester.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 18, 2010 07:18 AM (T0bhq)

130 Argh, sock off

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 18, 2010 07:18 AM (uFdnM)

131 I am looking forward to watching golf. The golf and ambien/sex robot is 5 strokes behind. I love that guy. You just know he's itching for a relapse. Yea. Posted by: Ever the optimist, gazing at a half ull glass of val-u-rite at June 18, 2010 11:16 AM (uFdnM) I think he should bang one of his broads on the first tee. Tell his soon to be ex-wife to fuck off. Then he might start start winning again. Not that I admire his behavior but he is what he is. He is/was a great golfer not a saint.

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:19 AM (0GFWk)

132 Isn't Slovenia NE of Pennsylvania, or is it up by Martha's Vinyard?

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 18, 2010 07:20 AM (uFdnM)

133 That's not a bad idea for a boyz-only road trip. I should pitch that to my friends for later in the summer. Posted by: LibertarianJim at June 18, 2010 11:17 AM (PReJ3) Yeah I'm going up Sunday with my neighbor and his 2 sons. His kids are going to this Legends game up there. He and I will go to the Museum and get a few beers. Hell I get in for free.

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:20 AM (0GFWk)

134

Whehehe, it is sometimes amusing and I know it is not that serious but some really seem to mean it.

Posted by: gdg

In other words, you really are that tone deaf and immune to the notion you may be the only one here who take the World Cup seriously.

Posted by: Shrek at June 18, 2010 07:21 AM (ZESU0)

135 Meanwhile, in Sports News, Shaun Micheel is alone atop the leaderboard at the US Open at -3.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 07:21 AM (5aa4z)

136 2-1 Slovenia at the 60th minute. This would qualify as a "barn-burner" in hockey, I think.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at June 18, 2010 07:21 AM (YmPwQ)

137 #128  Yeah but since your dead and buried, it's not like you have anything better to do?

Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity - hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then...walking after it!  And then, hitting it again!  I say "Pick it up asshole, you're lucky you found the fucking thing!  Put it in your pocket and go home, you're a winner, you're a winner!  You found it!".

Posted by: George Carlin at June 18, 2010 07:21 AM (9hSKh)

138 I lived in Albany for a year and never went. I was engaged to a girl whose parents lived in Springfield who we visited often and I never went to the HOF. I suck. Posted by: polynikes at June 18, 2010 11:19 AM (m2CN7) Hey I went to college 45 minutes away for 4 years but never went. When my daughter went to pre-freshman orientation at her school, she wanted to feel independent, so after checking her in and making sure she was OK, I went.

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:22 AM (0GFWk)

139

Wow. More of this "soccer is for sissies" crap. Is that more childish than "then kick this sissie's ass, dickhead!"?

Posted by: Chuck Norris at June 18, 2010 07:23 AM (nBE5A)

140

@ Shrek at June 18, 2010 11:21 AM

Some seem to think it is a commie conspiracy.

I hate commies and like soccer.

A few brains are exploding as we speak.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:23 AM (JS+7s)

141 Meanwhile, in Sports  Almost-Activity News

FTFY

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2010 07:24 AM (LUllJ)

142 Tru dat. I like Tiger. That he got a little pussy on the side is our DNA self destruct button. Give her a bunch of dough and a house or two and move on.

Gawd, I hate to see him struggle like this. I have always liked Tiger and I used to take glee in listening to the whine of tour pros yearning for just a piece of the fame and fortune he gets. Tool up, or shut up boys.

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 18, 2010 07:24 AM (uFdnM)

144 There's another noise-making apparatus for soccer?

Vuvuzela too loud? Wait for the kuduzela


Football fans worried that blasts from the vuvuzela could damage their hearing have been warned that an even louder horn - the kuduzela - could soon be appearing in stadiums around the world.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 18, 2010 07:26 AM (9hSKh)

145 Hey Chuck,

Yes, you look cute in your new gown and those shoes are very sexy.  No, I don't doubt for one moment that you saved a lot of money.  Now, why isn't my dinner on the table?

Posted by: Chris Christie at June 18, 2010 07:26 AM (ZESU0)

146 89 thought this was a manly site...Soccer???

IIRC it used to be,  however, since some of the HotAir and ONT people started showing up....well...

Posted by: Barbarian at June 18, 2010 07:26 AM (EL+OC)

147

Boring is one thing. But pussies? Geez.

Posted by: Chuck Norris at June 18, 2010 07:26 AM (nBE5A)

148 149

Wow. More of this "soccer is for sissies" crap. Is that more childish than "then kick this sissie's ass, dickhead!"?


I agree.

Posted by: The kid that wears his sisters nighties at June 18, 2010 07:28 AM (uFdnM)

149 Well, it seems there are some willing to defend soccer's SACRED HONOR.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 18, 2010 07:28 AM (ZESU0)

150
Anybody know any good anti Slovenian insults?

Yo' mama was a Czech.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 18, 2010 07:29 AM (1hM1d)

151 Kudzu-zela?

That's the end times, right there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 18, 2010 07:29 AM (mR7mk)

152 I had to work near Cooperstown two times.

You can't get a motel room within 50 miles during the summer.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 18, 2010 07:29 AM (7+pP9)

153 Football fans worried that blasts from the vuvuzela could damage their hearing have been warned that an even louder horn - the kuduzela - could soon be appearing in stadiums around the world.

Soon they'll be bringing V-8 powered air raid sirens to games.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2010 07:30 AM (LUllJ)

154
Well, it seems there are some willing to defend soccer's SACRED HONOR.

Moron's from South Carolina? whoda thunk it!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 18, 2010 07:30 AM (1hM1d)

155 Go Slovenia. The sooner the US gets done the sooner we can quit hearing about the world's least interesting sport.

Posted by: KilltheHippies at June 18, 2010 07:31 AM (y/+ik)

156 No comment on Clinton's statement on Ecuadoran TV that the Obama admin will be filing a lawsuit vs AZ?
http://tinyurl.com/2feke9a

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 18, 2010 07:31 AM (snlsw)

157 Soccer isn't for sissys it is for tough girls.

Posted by: Jean at June 18, 2010 07:31 AM (3Ds00)

158 #153

Posted by: andycanuck at June 18, 2010 11:25 AM (7b1Uc)

Yup.  Lesson learned is don't touch the remote.

Posted by: CDR M at June 18, 2010 07:32 AM (y67bA)

159 Soccer is for a bunch of shin grabbing, swan diving, metrosexual pussies.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 07:33 AM (UMwMT)

160 In other sports news, Rockies Jimenez gets 13th win, ERA drops to 1.15.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 18, 2010 07:34 AM (T0bhq)

161 Soccer is for a bunch of shin grabbing, swan diving, metrosexual pussies.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 11:33 AM

That sounds suspiciously like Duke basketball.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 18, 2010 07:34 AM (ZESU0)

162 Oh someone almost kicked me, so I'll dive and flop around and try to get a penalty called. And I'll cry. Cause that guy thought about giving me a boo-boo.
I want my mommy!

Posted by: Footballer! at June 18, 2010 07:35 AM (UMwMT)

163 We suck. 

Up next:  Breathless articles in all the usual places on how 2014 COULD BE THE TURNING POINT FOR U.S. SOCCER.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 18, 2010 07:35 AM (+BcQ3)

164 Holy shit we tied it up

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:38 AM (0GFWk)

165

GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLL!!!!!

 

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:38 AM (JS+7s)

166 GOAL USA!!!

Posted by: Mjim at June 18, 2010 07:39 AM (mMdWG)

167 That sounds suspiciously like Duke basketball.
I was going to say U of Michigan Football.
O-H

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 07:39 AM (UMwMT)

168 Male fan crying: priceless.

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 07:39 AM (OThQg)

169 Like I said - Never say die!

Posted by: Touchdown Jesus at June 18, 2010 07:40 AM (nBE5A)

170 Heh. You could hear the traders on CNBC cheering.

Posted by: Retread at June 18, 2010 07:40 AM (mMBYD)

171 USA MAKING HISTORY!!! Amazing match, probably the best of this World Cup. Come on, one more goal to be unforgivable

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 07:40 AM (5OEl9)

172 It was after workers at Champions told me that Tiger was a cheapskate beyond just being relative to the other players generosity.

That's simply not true. He just spent his dough on the right stuff.

Posted by: Eighteen gals, one with a lot of tattoos, with sought after vaginas at June 18, 2010 07:40 AM (uFdnM)

173

Three more goals for th 5-2 win, USA.

Posted by: Pele at June 18, 2010 07:40 AM (nBE5A)

174 Even if you hate soccer, this could be turning into a pretty exciting story

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:40 AM (0GFWk)

175 181 Male fan crying: priceless.

Posted by: 48%er

 

Pussies, wheeehehee ;-)

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:41 AM (JS+7s)

176 Tiger has always been an asshole.

Posted by: LPGA fan at June 18, 2010 07:42 AM (nBE5A)

177 Referee son op a bitch

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 07:42 AM (5OEl9)

178 Ok... the ref is getting paid off.

Posted by: Mjim at June 18, 2010 07:43 AM (mMdWG)

179 http://videos.wittysparks.com/id/991310542

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 07:43 AM (UMwMT)

180 Has this ref called ANYTHING in favor of the US?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 07:43 AM (z4es9)

181 Slovenia, which wears distinctive striped jerseys that resemble Charlie Brown's shirts

Those blockheads!

Posted by: Lucy van Pelt at June 18, 2010 07:43 AM (MMC8r)

182

Offside goal they said.

not true.

Asshat ref.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:44 AM (JS+7s)

183 this has become quite the spots blog lately.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 07:44 AM (wuv1c)

184 Has this ref called ANYTHING in favor of the US? Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 11:43 AM (z4es9) I think he is Obama's half brother, so no

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:44 AM (0GFWk)

185 this has become quite the spots blog lately.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 11:44 AM (wuv1c)

Hobo porn is a sport?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 07:45 AM (5aa4z)

186

Even if you hate soccer, this could be turning into a pretty exciting story

no. no it can't. The sooner america is out of this tourney, the sooner ESPN and other networks stop trying to shove this god awful excuse of a sport down our throats. 

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 07:46 AM (wuv1c)

187 Cooperstown was awesome; I probably should have gone a second time.  If you've got time, drop by the Ommegang brewery--free tour with samples, and it's excellent beer. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 18, 2010 07:47 AM (mR7mk)

188 BP paid off the ref.

Posted by: CDR M at June 18, 2010 07:47 AM (Mv/2X)

189 That call reminded me why soccer sucks.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 18, 2010 07:47 AM (xO+6C)

190 no. no it can't. The sooner america is out of this tourney, the sooner ESPN and other networks stop trying to shove this god awful excuse of a sport down our throats. Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 11:46 AM (wuv1c) Hate to dash your hopes, but with all the Italians, Koreans, ect in America, I doubt it

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:47 AM (0GFWk)

191

no. no it can't. The sooner america is out of this tourney, the sooner ESPN and other networks stop trying to shove this god awful excuse of a sport down our throats. 

Damn. Just when I was starting to get into it.

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (OThQg)

192 Slovenia, I'm just speaking for myself and nobody else, but I apologize for tying up the game, and likely for winning.

Posted by: Rep. Barton at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (pUfK9)

193 If you've got time, drop by the Ommegang brewery--free tour with samples, and it's excellent beer. Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 18, 2010 11:47 AM (mR7mk Thanks. I'll keep that in mind

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (0GFWk)

194 181 Male fan crying: priceless.

Ghey, unless your team won the Superbowl.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (9hSKh)

195 Come on, USA deserves a victory. Referee trashed the game

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (5OEl9)

196 no. no it can't. The sooner america is out of this tourney, the sooner ESPN and other networks stop trying to shove this god awful excuse of a sport down our throats.

That's a little strong. Seems to me there are a lot of people interested.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (z4es9)

197 Where is your God NOW, soccer drones?

Posted by: soccer-hatin athiest guy at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (ZESU0)

198 No you don't, Joe.

Posted by: John Boehner at June 18, 2010 07:48 AM (5aa4z)

199 Are they having a bee infestation in S. Africa or has my TV been been taken over by a swarm of squatters?

Posted by: The guy that hears annoying buzzing in his living room at June 18, 2010 07:49 AM (uFdnM)

200 Really?  Let's compare the venues for the World Cup versus the U.S. Open

Posted by: Y-not

 

Word.  I leave for Pebble around 7am tomorrow morning... have tickets for Saturday and Sunday.

Posted by: Terry at June 18, 2010 07:49 AM (+7Usq)

201 Word.  I leave for Pebble around 7am tomorrow morning...

Lucky dog! 

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2010 07:50 AM (Kn9r7)

202

@ Ben at June 18, 2010 11:46 AM

 

What will that make you?

 

A proud loser?

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:51 AM (JS+7s)

203

Word.  I leave for Pebble around 7am tomorrow morning... have tickets for Saturday and Sunday.

Posted by: Terry at June 18, 2010 11:49 AM (+7Usq)

Leave your wife at home if she's white.  Trust me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 07:52 AM (5aa4z)

204 Boy that ref sucked

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:52 AM (0GFWk)

205 That's a little strong. Seems to me there are a lot of people interested.

Posted by: Farmer

 

Besides, what are they going to put on ESPN 8 instead, anyway?

 

I'm always down with us beating Euros at anything.

Posted by: Terry at June 18, 2010 07:52 AM (+7Usq)

206

Ref will not be back....

 

Bye bye !!

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:52 AM (JS+7s)

207 Munch munch munch... the ref is out to lunch!

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 07:53 AM (z4es9)

208 I leave for Pebble around 7am tomorrow morning... have tickets for Saturday and Sunday.

Will you be knitting on the sideline?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 18, 2010 07:53 AM (mR7mk)

209 A TIE. How lame. At least I can't hear anymore of those goddamn vuvuzelas.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 07:53 AM (UMwMT)

210

Leave your wife at home if she's white.  Trust me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

 

No way... my clubs will be in the trunk...if she gets hooked up I'll go play!

Posted by: Terry at June 18, 2010 07:53 AM (+7Usq)

211  fuck soccer and the assholes trying to shove it down our throats.

Hm. I must have missed the news about the squads of gunmen going around forcing people to watch soccer at 10 am.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 07:54 AM (z4es9)

212

no. no it can't. The sooner america is out of this tourney, the sooner ESPN and other networks stop trying to shove this god awful excuse of a sport down our throats.

That's a little strong. Seems to me there are a lot of people interested.

I would bet that 50 percent of the people "interested" in the world cup are watching for two reasons.

1. The spectacle.

2. They're nationalists who want america to win at everything.

Every world cup or olympics we are told by the media that soccer is coming to america and everytime nothing comes of it..

 

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 07:54 AM (wuv1c)

213 What does another tie mean?

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 07:54 AM (OThQg)

214

2-2

congrats USA.

Come back from 2 down. Great play USA.

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:54 AM (JS+7s)

215 Spooky.. the spammers are watching us.
Yeah. On the headlines thread one is trying to pick a fight with Ace over the Barton comments.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 18, 2010 07:55 AM (7b1Uc)

216 So a tie is good, bad, indifferent (much as I am)?

Posted by: joncelli at June 18, 2010 07:55 AM (RD7QR)

217

Hm. I must have missed the news about the squads of gunmen going around forcing people to watch soccer at 10 am.

He's weak minded. If it's on TV it means he must watch it. Or something.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (IkTb7)

218 And when does NFL training camp begin?

Posted by: joncelli at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (RD7QR)

219 Will you be knitting on the sideline?

Posted by: HeatherRadish

 

Golf doesn't have a sideline, but if it did, at Pebble the sideline would be the most beautiful stretch of coastline in California, so I'll probably go with a nice refreshing beverage rather than knitting.

Posted by: Terry at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (+7Usq)

220

208 181 Ghey, unless your team won the Superbowl.

Or when they win the Stanley Cup for the 1st time.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (Yq+qN)

221

fuck soccer and the assholes trying to shove it down our throats.

Hm. I must have missed the news about the squads of gunmen going around forcing people to watch soccer at 10 am.

i think he is refering to the over coverage. ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc are all pushing soccer. They always do. There has been more coverage of the world cup than the stanley cup playoffs, yet more Americans are fans of hockey than soccer.

He isn't being literal with the "craming it down our throats", but the non stop coverage of a sport that draws little interest in america is excessive.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (wuv1c)

222

Leave your wife at home if she's white.  Trust me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

 

No way... my clubs will be in the trunk...if she gets hooked up I'll go play!

Posted by: Terry at June 18, 2010 11:53 AM (+7Usq)

Oh, well if that's the case, you should be hoping Tiger shoots better than he did yesterday, or he won't even be around Saturday and Sunday.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (5aa4z)

223 Soccer has to be the stupidest game in the world. I swear -- how can you have a fricking tie in a playoff game? I really cannot comprehend how this game got so popular. Further -- any game that even allows a zero-zero tie is a waste of time.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (4Pleu)

224 So a tie is good, bad, indifferent (much as I am)? Posted by: joncelli at June 18, 2010 11:55 AM (RD7QR) It's kinda like kissing your cousin. Depends on how good looking and built she is and how loose?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:56 AM (0GFWk)

225 this was a real barn burner. I'm glad both teams got to win. that is how all sports should end.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 07:57 AM (wuv1c)

226 Further -- any game that even allows a zero-zero tie is a waste of time.

Now, Monty - they all get a gold star for trying!!

Think of their self-esteem!

Posted by: TXMarko at June 18, 2010 07:58 AM (Wl1KM)

227 that is how all sports should end If you're a girl.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 07:59 AM (4Pleu)

228 Soccer should institute sudden-death OT, or perhaps a shoot-out (whatever you'd call that in soccer). That would be much more fun.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 18, 2010 07:59 AM (Yq+qN)

229 that is how all sports should end If you're a girl. Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 11:59 AM (4Pleu) Well not if you are tonya harding

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 07:59 AM (0GFWk)

230 US is now seeded on the third round and they have yet to win a game - priceless.

Posted by: 13times at June 18, 2010 07:59 AM (6feTt)

231 228 What does another tie mean?

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 11:54 AM

-----

It means USA has a real chance of getting to the next round.

Winning against algeria muslims.

The taliban won't like that, that's for sure.

 

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 07:59 AM (JS+7s)

232 So this thing comes down to the US and UK having to beat the shit out of Algeria ... OK

Posted by: Jean at June 18, 2010 08:00 AM (1vx4q)

233 I can't believe the excitement. I am emotionally drained. Now I can tune in to CNBC for real entertainment, watching the price of gold go up and down, tick by tick...

Posted by: The guy that springs wood while watching "ties" on buzzing TV at June 18, 2010 08:00 AM (uFdnM)

234 It's kinda like kissing your cousin. Depends on how good looking and built she is and how loose?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 11:56 AM (0GFWk)

See, now, I consider that to be fairly bad.  So, it appears a tie is not healthy.

Posted by: Editor at June 18, 2010 08:00 AM (pUfK9)

235 Question for all you soccer fans. How does a team move on when everyone in the division(conference, bracket, whatever) is tied?

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:00 AM (wuv1c)

236 A draw is ok.  If both England and the US beat Algeria, and England beats Slovenia, England and US advance.  ALgeria sucks, and Slovenia ain't that great, so this is likely.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 08:00 AM (5aa4z)

237 Disgusting bit of refereeing.

Posted by: william at June 18, 2010 08:00 AM (CSh9B)

238

He's weak minded. If it's on TV it means he must watch it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor

You watch it on TV.

Coincidence?  I think not.


Posted by: The Lead Prosecutor of the Case Against World Cup Soccer at June 18, 2010 08:01 AM (ZESU0)

239 See, now, I consider that to be fairly bad. So, it appears a tie is not healthy. Posted by: Editor at June 18, 2010 12:00 PM (pUfK9) So I take it you are north of the Mason-Dixon?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 08:01 AM (0GFWk)

240 Soccer has to be the stupidest game in the world. I swear -- how can you have a fricking tie in a playoff game?

Did you think this was a playoff game?  In elimination games, they'd have played extra time, then had a penalty shoot-out if necessary.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:01 AM (5LYVy)

241 i think he is refering to the over coverage. ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc are all pushing soccer. They always do. There has been more coverage of the world cup than the stanley cup playoffs, yet more Americans are fans of hockey than soccer.

I'd be interested to see the ratings numbers.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 18, 2010 08:01 AM (z4es9)

242 Mr. Monty ( 240 ), this game is not a playoff, asshole! It is a group stage match, the 2 best teams of this group will pass to playoffs

Posted by: Da C.I.A. at June 18, 2010 08:01 AM (5OEl9)

243

"Further -- any game that even allows a zero-zero tie is a waste of time."

 American football is a waste of time?

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at June 18, 2010 08:02 AM (lE7cq)

244 Question for all you soccer fans. How does a team move on when everyone in the division(conference, bracket, whatever) is tied?

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 12:00 PM (wuv1c)

They flip a hooligan.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 08:02 AM (5aa4z)

245 or perhaps a shoot-out (whatever you'd call that in soccer).
Pistols at ten paces.
Then, a team gets to win, and as a bonus there are fewer soccer players.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 08:03 AM (UMwMT)

246 Did you think this was a playoff game? If we go home when we lose, it's a playoff game.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 08:03 AM (4Pleu)

247 No comment on Clinton's statement on Ecuadoran TV that the Obama admin will be filing a lawsuit vs AZ?
http://tinyurl.com/2feke9a

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 18, 2010 11:31 AM (snlsw)

Treason and total hate of our Constitution isn't important.  Especially when it happens in a foreign land.

I am still ticked that conservative pundits haven't been able to explain to the douchebags that Arizona isn't making any sort of "immigration law", only identifying those who are allowed here under current law.  The lefties keep claiming that Arizona is infringing on Congress' power to establish uniform laws of naturalization, but not one conservative (that I have heard) has pointed out that Arizona is neither trying to change the citizenship/residency status of anyone, nor deporting anyone.

But ... there's no logic or reason left in our political discourse.  The left just screams the most transparent and ridiculous lies one could imagine and the right (the GOP leadership and our squishy pundits) lets them.  When one finally nails the left for their deceit and criminality, the GOP throws a shit-fit.  Better that no one mentions Shrillary's traitorous and insane comments in a foreign land, since that might just make some on the right explain what it really means and that would embarrass the GOP and the squishes.

I'm just waiting for this nation to split, now.  It is beyond repair at this point.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 18, 2010 08:03 AM (Qp4DT)

248 Three-year-old tee ball players are punching down when they diss soccer. 

Posted by: someguy at June 18, 2010 08:04 AM (VmtE9)

249 American football is a waste of time? Please provide me the date and competing teams of the last NFL game that ended in a zero-zero tie.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 08:04 AM (4Pleu)

250 So I take it you are north of the Mason-Dixon?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 12:01 PM (0GFWk)

Just about as far North as you can be without being a dirty fake-American Canadian.

Posted by: Editor at June 18, 2010 08:04 AM (pUfK9)

251

i think he is refering to the over coverage. ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc are all pushing soccer. They always do. There has been more coverage of the world cup than the stanley cup playoffs, yet more Americans are fans of hockey than soccer.

I'd be interested to see the ratings numbers.

Considering it is on mid day, I can't imagine they are great. I am also willing to bet that they drop dramatically here in America when the US team loses its way out of the tourney.

 

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:04 AM (wuv1c)

252 Advancing on a tie. That's like an 8-8 team winning their division. Ptui.

Posted by: joncelli at June 18, 2010 08:05 AM (RD7QR)

253 The shoot-out is another stupid part of soccer. As I said in the previous soccer-bashing thread, it's like they said, "Soccer has failed us, boys! Let's play a completely different game now so we can see who wins!"

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 08:05 AM (4Pleu)

254 How does a team move on when everyone in the division(conference, bracket, whatever) is tied?

They settle it with a round of rochambeau.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2010 08:05 AM (LUllJ)

255 Please provide me the date and competing teams of the last NFL game that ended in a zero-zero tie.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 12:04 PM (4Pleu)


There's never been a 0-0 tie, to the best of my knowledge.  Last tie was Bengals-Eagles in 2008.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 08:05 AM (5aa4z)

256 Just about as far North as you can be without being a dirty fake-American Canadian. Posted by: Editor at June 18, 2010 12:04 PM (pUfK9) I figured that or your cousin can't take a joke? /

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 08:05 AM (0GFWk)

257 Why even watch a sport that we're so bad at?

I'll be back when our soccer team isn't the biggest embarrassment in American sports.

Posted by: kencaminiti at June 18, 2010 08:06 AM (9dKHd)

258 Look, soccer has to allow ties, by its nature.  Some of these guys are running 7 miles a game, sprinting a lot of it.  You can't just have them play until they score a tie-breaking goal -- you'd have guys dying on the pitch.

Besides, sometimes teams are equally matched, or so close that no distinction should be made.  Unless absolutely necessary, it's better to issue a point each than to have some bogus NFL-style parody of the game decide who gets the points, while an equal team gets nothing from it.

80% of your life is a draw, if you're lucky.  Learning to eek out a draw is a valuable life skill that shouldn't be overlooked.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:07 AM (5LYVy)

259 That ref: obviously a democRAT.

Posted by: 48%er at June 18, 2010 08:07 AM (OThQg)

260 Pursuant to my NFL football point -- it is technically possible for an NFL game to end in a zero-zero tie. It's just that the structure and rules of the game pretty much guarantee that it almost never happens. (In fact, I don't think it ever has happened in the actual NFL; I think you have to go way back to the AFL days.)

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 08:07 AM (4Pleu)

261 if they eliminated the game of soccer altogether, and replaced it on TV with shoot-outs, i might could be persuaded to watch..... Posted by: redc1c4 at June 18, 2010 12:06 PM (d1FhN) Or even just armed the players and allowed them to have REAL shootouts -- that is something I would watch!

Posted by: joncelli at June 18, 2010 08:07 AM (RD7QR)

262 Actually, Greg Gutfeld has it nailed on why the US isn't that good at soccer. It's because our best athletes are drawn to vastly superior sports like Baseball, Football, Hockey, and Basketball.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 08:07 AM (UMwMT)

263 if they eliminated the game of soccer altogether, and replaced it on TV with  shoot-outs, i might could be persuaded to watch.....

Or eliminate basketball, and they could just show H-O-R-S-E!  If all we want to see is the ball going through the hoop...

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:08 AM (5LYVy)

264 Advancing on a tie. That's like an 8-8 team winning their division. Ptui.

Yeah.  And?

Posted by: The 1985 Cleveland Browns at June 18, 2010 08:08 AM (5aa4z)

265 I think you have to go way back to the AFL days.) Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 12:07 PM (4Pleu) Since the old AFL was high scoring, I would not count on that

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 08:08 AM (0GFWk)

266

SVN 2:2 USA.

I get that America is just another country these days, no better and no worse than any other country, but this illustration is extreme.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 18, 2010 08:09 AM (cQyWA)

267

Look, soccer has to allow ties, by its nature.  Some of these guys are running 7 miles a game, sprinting a lot of it.  You can't just have them play until they score a tie-breaking goal -- you'd have guys dying on the pitch.

Why not skip the game entirely and call it a tie?

 

And what's a pitch? don't bring that soccer lingo on this blog.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:09 AM (wuv1c)

268 Some of these guys are running 7 miles a game, sprinting a lot of it.

Again with this canard. 7 miles in 1.5 hours is 4.6 mph, which is barely a mild jog.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2010 08:10 AM (LUllJ)

269 273 How does a team move on when everyone in the division(conference, bracket, whatever) is tied?

They settle it with a round of rochambeau.

LMFAO. Priceless. Maybe they should do something less injurious. Measure the girth of their nutsacks, winner moves on.

Posted by: The guy that springs wood while watching at June 18, 2010 08:10 AM (uFdnM)

270 And what's a pitch?
A pitch is when a guy like Joel Zumaya fires a 101 mph fastball past a hitter.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 08:10 AM (UMwMT)

271 284 Advancing on a tie. That's like an 8-8 team winning their division. Ptui.

From your mouth to God's ears!

Posted by: The Detroit Lions at June 18, 2010 08:10 AM (HpT9p)

272

Slovenia people. We tied Slovenia.

I am willing to bet most of you can't point to Slovenia on a map. Hell its only been an independent country for about 15 years.

We couldn't beat Yugoslovia's top hat.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:11 AM (wuv1c)

273 282 Actually, Greg Gutfeld has it nailed on why the US isn't that good at soccer. It's because our best athletes are drawn to vastly superior sports like Baseball, Football, Hockey, and Basketball.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 12:07 PM (UMwMT)

...and tetherball, hopscotch, marbles, synchronized swimming, hide and seek....

Posted by: someguy at June 18, 2010 08:11 AM (VmtE9)

274 Was that ref Muslim?

Posted by: Jean at June 18, 2010 08:12 AM (I6dJM)

275

How does a team move on when everyone in the division(conference, bracket, whatever) is tied?

They settle it with a round of rochambeau.

LMFAO. Priceless. Maybe they should do something less injurious. Measure the girth of their nutsacks, winner moves on.

round robin potato sack race.

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:12 AM (wuv1c)

276 -->Look, soccer has to allow ties, by its nature.  Some of these guys are running 7 miles a game, sprinting a lot of it.  You can't just have them play until they score a tie-breaking goal -- you'd have guys dying on the pitch.

So?  The fans kill each other in the stands and no one seems to mind.  The fans also assault the players on the field, so I can't see how making them run some more is worse than that.

-->Besides, sometimes teams are equally matched, or so close that no distinction should be made.  Unless absolutely necessary, it's better to issue a point each than to have some bogus NFL-style parody of the game decide who gets the points, while an equal team gets nothing from it.

Games aren't played so that only the better team wins.  If that were true, most of the games wouldn't need to be played at all.  Games are played to establish a winner that day.

-->80% of your life is a draw, if you're lucky.  Learning to eek out a draw is a valuable life skill that shouldn't be overlooked.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 12:07 PM (5LYVy)

Who watches soccer to see their personal "life score" played out?  And, if you take that angle, what in life disallows use of your hands?  It was opposable thumbs that lifted Man above apes, but soccer hates thumbs and penalizes you for using them.  Life lesson?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 18, 2010 08:13 AM (Qp4DT)

277 @ 254 Question for all you soccer fans. How does a team move on when everyone in the division(conference, bracket, whatever) is tied?

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 12:00

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The one who scored the most goals.

What a lot of people don't seem to know is that

a win gives you 3 points

a tie 1 point

You have to tie three times to make up for a win.

I admit soccer sometimes is or looks boring but the winnig or losing of yards is exactly the same as american football but it is a contiuing process.

If you look at it that way it's the same as football without the commercial breaks. So it is not that boring after all. Commercial breaks are boring.

Soccer needs a few things a stopped clock a video ref and a little larger goal and maybe 3 -20min plays or 4 -15 min plays.

 

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 08:13 AM (JS+7s)

278

I think that making the goals twice as large as they currently are would help a lot...same goes for hockey.

Hockey scoring is fine the way it is. If they need more arbitary points to keep spazoids happy just start awarding 7 points for a goal.

Then a common hockey games will end 28-21, 35-21, 28-14 etc. so... not much different than football.

Average scoring of a Monday night football game is about 50 (both teams added together).  Average score of a NHL hockey game is about 6.  50/7 = 7.

Soccer... what can we do to make that sport more interesting? Play a different sport. I'm afraid this one is structurally gay. It's a tear-down.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 08:13 AM (IsLT6)

279 I am willing to bet most of you can't point to Slovenia on a map.

Easy.  It's right beside the pancreas.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 18, 2010 08:13 AM (5aa4z)

280 Slovenia is just west of New Hampshire.

Posted by: Master Cartographer at June 18, 2010 08:13 AM (uFdnM)

281

"Please provide me the date and competing teams of the last NFL game that ended in a zero-zero tie."

  The Arizona Cardinals first regular season game ended in a 0-0 tie when they played the Chicago Bears on October 10, 1920. 

 American football allows the possibility of a zero-zero tie. By your standards then it must be completely worthless.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at June 18, 2010 08:13 AM (lE7cq)

282 246 Soccer should institute sudden-death OT, or perhaps a shoot-out (whatever you'd call that in soccer). That would be much more fun.

How about a literal "shoot-out"?  Pick the best marksman from each team and have them duel at high noon.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 18, 2010 08:14 AM (9hSKh)

283 I am willing to bet most of you can't point to Slovenia on a map. I would recommend Croatia for a Euro vacation right now - and Slovenia for business; if one were so inclined.

Posted by: Jean at June 18, 2010 08:15 AM (I6dJM)

284

Pistols at ten paces.

Penalty shot, eh?

Soccer is thougher than I thought.

Posted by: HH at June 18, 2010 08:15 AM (6oDXl)

285

Soccer... what can we do to make that sport more interesting? Play a different sport. I'm afraid this one is structurally gay. It's a tear-down.

perfect description

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:15 AM (wuv1c)

286

249 US is now seeded on the third round and they have yet to win a game - priceless.

Uh, no, the US is not "seeded" on the third round. That's not how it works. We're still in the group stage. Top two out of our group will move on to Round of 16.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 18, 2010 08:16 AM (IkTb7)

287 How long does the world cup take? 2-3 weeks?

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:17 AM (wuv1c)

288 There can be only one. It isn't that complicated

Posted by: Pele's discarded conjoined twin at June 18, 2010 08:17 AM (nBE5A)

289 Soccer is tougher than I thought.
You think Soccer is tough - you should try watching it sometime, and staying awake for 90 minutes. That's tough.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 08:18 AM (UMwMT)

290 I am willing to bet most of you can't point to Slovenia on a map. Her Hitler could

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 18, 2010 08:18 AM (0GFWk)

291 I'll bet there is someone in here complaining about how boring soccer is but keeps all the stats in MLB and even listens to baseball on the radio.

Posted by: Soccer is for pansies and it is boring at June 18, 2010 08:18 AM (nBE5A)

292 308 How long does the world cup take? 2-3 weeks?

Thankfully they do not have the NBA owners running the soccer show. Nine months of soccer would cause the suicide rate to skyrocket although that might help Oilbama bring down the unemployment rates to acceptable levels.

Posted by: The guy who watches soccer only when infomercials are unavailable at June 18, 2010 08:20 AM (uFdnM)

293 Soccer needs a few things a stopped clock a video ref and a little larger goal and maybe 3 -20min plays or 4 -15 min plays.

None of that. The rules are fine. They're stupid, but all sports' are.

The players just need to try to score. Low final scores aren't the problem. Games with a low number of scoring attempts have random results; they're fundamentally not sports.

One very good team that took more shots on goal than tradition demands could dominate and revolutionize soccer. Until then, it's bullshit.

Posted by: oblig. at June 18, 2010 08:22 AM (x7Ao8)

294 American football allows the possibility of a zero-zero tie. By your standards then it must be completely worthless.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at June 18, 2010 12:13 PM (lE7cq)

There's the possibility of a lot of things.  What's the probability of an American football game ending in a 0-0 tie compared to the probability of a soccer game ending in a 0-0 tie?

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2010 08:23 AM (VuLos)

295 Heh. Is because of corrupt refs like today's that Americans will never embrace soccer. This is now the 2nd time I've seen a ref steal a win from America. The first was in the last World Cup against Italy with a bogus "offside" call.
Poor refereeing has been a plague on global soccer, and this isn't gonna help. Today's call was even worse than the Italy call, because not did the Americans commit no foul, they were fouled. So either the goal should've stood, or they should've had a penalty.
This isn't to say other countries have not been victimized, but I'm callin anti-americanism on this.

Posted by: Iblis at June 18, 2010 08:24 AM (9221z)

296

 The Arizona Cardinals first regular season game ended in a 0-0 tie when they played the Chicago Bears on October 10, 1920. 

Wanna run that by me again?

Posted by: HH at June 18, 2010 08:24 AM (6oDXl)

297 So?  The fans kill each other in the stands and no one seems to mind.  The fans also assault the players on the field, so I can't see how making them run some more is worse than that.

Silliness. I guarantee you that the violence rate at basketball games is higher than at soccer games.  I've seen one video of one fan in Russia (IIRC) trying to get at a guy on a soccer pitch.  He was pummeled.  It's a long run.  Fans don't like long runs.

Games are played to establish a winner that day.

Nonsense.  Games are played to determine a winner for the given SEASON, and points for ties are part of the results table.

Who watches soccer to see their personal "life score" played out?


Maybe Costas and Will and other baseball purists can help you out with the "why people like sports" thing.  They've written reams on it.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:25 AM (5LYVy)

298 We're just lucky none of those damned Slovenians turned into werewolves.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 18, 2010 08:26 AM (HaYO4)

299

Maybe Obama should appoint a Soccer Czar and appoint a committee to try and help soccer be more accepted in the States. 

"Let me be clear......."

Posted by: Lowell at June 18, 2010 08:26 AM (X1hJl)

300 I'll bet there is someone in here complaining about how boring soccer is but keeps all the stats in MLB and even listens to baseball on the radio.

Me. I even subscribe to MLB Radio so I can listen to games over the internet.
In baseball, every pitch matters. The hitter tries to anticipate a pitch, and a location, the pitcher tries to get him to miss (or hit it on the ground) - and when the pitcher makes a mistake, sometimes it travels over 400 feet into the cheap seats.
Then, there's the strategy - when to bunt, steal, hit and run, pitch out, pick off, delayed steal, etc.

Plus, there's nothing harder in sports to do than hitting a round ball with a round bat squarely, especially when that round ball is often coming in at 90 mph. Or if you're facing the Tigers and either Verlander or Zumaya - 100+ mph.

Soccer has nothing that can approach a perfect game like Galarraga threw 2 weeks ago, or a majestic line drive home run off the bat of Miguel Cabrera or Brennan Boesch.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 18, 2010 08:27 AM (UMwMT)

301 Is because of corrupt refs like today's that Americans will never embrace soccer. This is now the 2nd time I've seen a ref steal a win from America. The first was in the last World Cup against Italy with a bogus "offside" call.

...and the Thorsten Frings handball on the line in the 2002 quarterfinals against Germany.

The anti-American refereeing is an issue that we'll have to deal with over time.  My British friends acknowledge that it exists, so it's not our imagination (THEY TOLD ME OBAMA WOULD CHANGE THINGS!).  That last goal should've counted, and that ref crew won't work another WC game, bank it.  But that won't get us our 2 points back.

But Americans don't mind corrupt refs -- the NBA rating last night was pretty huge.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:30 AM (5LYVy)

302 Nonsense.  Games are played to determine a winner for the given SEASON, and points for ties are part of the results table.

No.  Long series of games are played to determine who is stronger, overall.  Individual games are played to decide a winner, that day.  Tell me, do the teams in the World Cup each play each other 10 times - or even just 3 times, to truly determine which is stronger before moving the tournament on?  Of course not, because the World Cup is not about deciding that the strongest team should win the Cup, only that the team that plays the short tournament best should win it.

Maybe Costas and Will and other baseball purists can help you out with the "why people like sports" thing.  They've written reams on it.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 12:25 PM (5LYVy)

I can't say that I've ever gone to Costas for opinions on anything.  As to Will, he also addresses the dreaded "jeans" issue ... so, you might want to revise this a bit.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 18, 2010 08:32 AM (Qp4DT)

303

And just for the record, Slovenia is not Slovakia.

Czechoslovakia no longer exists... but more importantly, Slovenia was never a part of it to begin with.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 08:35 AM (IsLT6)

304 Crebain, from Dunland!

Oh.  Sorry, this thread is for something relevant like soccer.  My mistake.

Posted by: Legolas of the Woodlands Realm at June 18, 2010 08:36 AM (ZESU0)

305 Of course not, because the World Cup is not about deciding that the strongest team should win the Cup, only that the team that plays the short tournament best should win it.

Were that true, they'd just seed like the NCAA basketball tourney and play single elimination.

No, this is meant to be a mini-season.  Everyone plays everyone on a neutral field.  Of course, logistic demand that the WC Finals are only a month long, but please realize that the real tournament, which began with sectional qualifying, started TWO YEARS ago.  This is no short thing, and every time, they start with a small "league" format.  We're only just seeing the Finals now.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:36 AM (5LYVy)

306

Hey the fact that this referee from Mali found some "phantom foul" by a US player--thus denying us a 3rd goal--while simultaneously not spotting a real foul, which would have given us a penalty kick is just proof that there's been a rift in the Bamster's family ties back home in Kenya.  If his brothers, uncles, cousins and such had been "taken care of" by the Bamster, the fix would have been in with the referee from Mali.   Instead the Bamster, that schmuck, had failed to deliver the swag to  Nairobi.   No swag, no "fix".  Didn 't President Zippy learn anything in Chicago?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at June 18, 2010 08:37 AM (ktYjH)

307

And just for the record, Slovenia is not Slovakia.

Czechoslovakia no longer exists... but more importantly, Slovenia was never a part of it to begin with.

Yes, It was part of Yugoslavia. It was the first nation to break away from Yugoslavia when their constitutional crisis began in the late 80s early 90s.

 

Posted by: Ben at June 18, 2010 08:37 AM (wuv1c)

308 Since the libs are so into soccer, you'd figure they'd be demanding Obama launch a drone strike on that ref right about now.

Posted by: Iblis at June 18, 2010 08:38 AM (9221z)

309 Well, that was awful.

I didn't see much of the game but please don't complain about the Referee. You know how you make that schmuck a non-factor? Don't go down 2-0 in the fist half to a country with a population smaller than Queens, NY.


Posted by: DrewM. at June 18, 2010 08:39 AM (X/Lqh)

310 "

Slovenia people. We tied Slovenia.

I am willing to bet most of you can't point to Slovenia on a map. Hell its only been an independent country for about 15 years.

We couldn't beat Yugoslovia's top hat."

 

It's better than that.  We broke even with a country of 2 million people.  Think about it.  USA:  300+ million; Slovenia 2 million.  That goal disallowal was bullshit though.  Hopefully we'll pull off a win against Algeria.  I mean, it's Algeria...oh wait.  I said that about Slovenia... 

Posted by: Mat at June 18, 2010 08:41 AM (d8AS2)

311 I didn't watch the game.  Did Slovenia live up to their naming and play slovenly?  Just wondering.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 18, 2010 08:42 AM (Qp4DT)

312 Actually, I think the ref might've realized that he made a mistake not booking (or maybe even sending off) Dempsey in the first couple minutes for swinging that elbow to the Slovene's head -- that's usually a red card, and it would've likely doomed the US.  I think the rest of the match, he was trying to make up for that first error.

And he was just bad.  Why FIFA thinks a guy from Mali is up for reffing a crucial WC game, I have no idea.  He'd never worked a game bigger than the African Cup of Nations, which is a notoriously crooked and poorly-reffed tournament.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:42 AM (5LYVy)

313

For once, I agree with Drew.

Those two Slovenian goals were butt-ugly.  They really shouldn't have happened.  Cripes, Howard was just standing there on the first goal. 

Posted by: Mat at June 18, 2010 08:42 AM (d8AS2)

314

More scores should be a priority without becoming easy scores.

Cut the ff-ing crying and girly hugging.

There are alot of legit arguments and comments on soccer here, except for the commie thing maybe, but the FIFA is a bunch of corruptocrats that do not want to change the game with  solutions like a video ref who can make a call that is 100% correct for instantance if it is a goal or a penalty.

It could be for reasons of corruption. But it is still difficult to exactly determen the outcome of a game for bookmakers. People on both sides would have to be in on it and than techically it must be executed correctly. A shot on goal must be on target for the goalie to let it go and cash in.

 

Green USA- England?

 

Posted by: gdg at June 18, 2010 08:43 AM (JS+7s)

315 Crap first half, exciting second, and we wuz robbed.

Donovan's goal was amazing.

I hate soccer, but I'll keep an open mind during the World Cup. It's only every four years, fer Chrissake. This was a fun game.

Posted by: schizuki at June 18, 2010 08:44 AM (Xd9fe)

316 AFL. Australian football. Or rugby, if you must. Soccer's not too bad. US football is just like American big business - they go out and bash into each other then the one that gets a bloody nose begs the authorities for special treatment. Sometimes it's fun to watch, but the only time I've ever really enjoyed football was playing touch-football with some of my wife's friends. Basketball? Okay to play, but a pathetic excuse for a spectator sport. Likewise baseball.

Posted by: JEM at June 18, 2010 08:44 AM (G8Eo0)

317 Cripes, Howard was just standing there on the first goal.

I never heard anyone on TV mention it, either.  He didn't move a foot.  Might've been the swerve of the ball that got him on his right foot and froze him when the ball swung back to his left, or Gooch's head blocked him out and he saw it late, but still... They've been lionizing Howard for a week, and no one mentions that he's rooted to the spot for the first goal?  It only wound up a couple steps to his left.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 08:46 AM (5LYVy)

318 The Arizona Cardinals first regular season game ended in a 0-0 tie when they played the Chicago Bears on October 10, 1920. When the NFL and the AFL merged in 1970, the rules were modified, so I'm not sure I'd count any game prior to that. Further, the Cardinals weren't in Arizona in 1920 -- they were in (IIRC) Chicago. Even further further: if you had to go back to 19-frickin-20 to find a zero-zero tie in American football, that pretty much makes my point. I only have to go back -- what? -- about a day to find a zero-zero tie in European Kickball. Worthless, pointless waste of time.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 08:48 AM (4Pleu)

319

Bender,

That second Slovenian goal wasn't much better, but the first was just jaw-dropping.  I noticed the lack of comments on TV as well.  That was a shot that he should have easily had.

Posted by: Mat at June 18, 2010 08:49 AM (d8AS2)

320 I'll bet there is someone in here complaining about how boring soccer is but keeps all the stats in MLB and even listens to baseball on the radio. You know what's great about baseball? When the game is over, somebody won.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 08:50 AM (4Pleu)

321

Posted by: schizuki at June 18, 2010 12:44 PM (Xd9fe)

Good luck. I tried, and I mean I really tried, 4yrs ago. But the games went on endlessly (the ones I watched), went into OT or shootouts.

Trust me, if you want to watch it, just have the TV on and be doing something else.

Speaking of which, I ever tell you guys about my apt? The only one that overlooks the pool? And as I post, 3 blondes are going swimming.

Later...

Posted by: HH at June 18, 2010 08:51 AM (6oDXl)

322

USA Wins Again! this time 2-2 v. Slovenia!

USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!

 

Posted by: Michael K. at June 18, 2010 08:51 AM (H6VxR)

323 Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 12:36 PM (5LYVy)

I don't find your argument very convincing.  The World Series is, also, the culmination of a long season (many more games than soccer) but they still have more of a measure of the better team during the World Series in how the playoffs and finals go.  And, in your description of the two year season that the World Cup is measuring, teams change over two years.  A team that was great last year might suck this year and might be awful during the World Cup.  The Cup doesn't measure any objective (or even close) measure of team strength over that time.  It just measures the play over its limited time, as all games and tournaments do.

Look, soccer fans don't mind ties.  For them, it's all good and exciting.  That's fine.  Americans are not built that way.  We like wins and losses.  And when you allow ties, some teams will play for a tie, when it helps overall.  That can get pretty boring - to an American, at least.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 18, 2010 08:53 AM (Qp4DT)

324

I'll bet there is someone in here complaining about how boring soccer is but keeps all the stats in MLB and even listens to baseball on the radio.

Guilty. But ,my grievances with soccer go beyond the fact that I find it boring. Well, boring and some other things. And for the record, golf on t.v. and NASCAR - not my thing either.

Specifically, 1) soccer, buy a damn scoreboard with a clock and someone to operate it. Due to stoppage time, soccer is the only sport where you do not know when it will exactly end. Baseball - 27th out. Football, basketball, hockey - all have clocks. Football and basketball even have clocks on overtime. Hockey - nothing more exiciting than an overtime game in hockey - next goal wins.

2) Lack of scoring - look, I like a good 1-0 baseball game, especially when a pitcher is really on their groove, hitting spots. Most 1-0 soccer games look like both teams just hanging around the middle waiting for the other team to screw up. Result - a sort of sloggy, defensive orientated game. One of the worst things that happened to hockey was the ascension of the New Jersey Devils in the mid-90s. The trap defense made the game look like.....well, soccer.

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 08:54 AM (hKyl0)

325 I'll bet there is someone in here complaining about how boring soccer is but keeps all the stats in MLB and even listens to baseball on the radio.

Stats are very exciting, in and of themselves.  Humans love stats.  Humans love lists.  The existence of a plethora of highly interesting stats in baseball is a good part of its appeal.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 18, 2010 08:57 AM (Qp4DT)

326

When the NFL and the AFL merged in 1970, the rules were modified, so I'm not sure I'd count any game prior to that. Further, the Cardinals weren't in Arizona in 1920 -- they were in (IIRC) Chicago. Even further further: if you had to go back to 19-frickin-20

Yeah... Chicago Cardinals. We had 2 teams.

Even further, there weren't any "pro" players in football back then as we know them.

All those dudes in that 1920 game? They had day jobs.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 08:57 AM (IsLT6)

327 You know what's great about baseball? When the game is over, somebody won.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 12:50 PM (4Pleu)

Usually, it is not us.

Posted by: Chicago Cubs at June 18, 2010 08:57 AM (hKyl0)

328

You know what's great about baseball?

Me!

Posted by: The Greatness that is.......Zach Greinke at June 18, 2010 08:59 AM (hKyl0)

329

Stats are very exciting, in and of themselves.  Humans love stats.  Humans love lists.  The existence of a plethora of highly interesting stats in baseball is a good part of its appeal.

.....

.....

Sports for nerdy accountants?

....

It's still not as a gay as soccer.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 08:59 AM (IsLT6)

330 Usually, it is not us. Quiet, you! Go back to your dungeon and await your next drubbing! You gotta admire diehard Cubbies, though. Season after season, decade after decade, nothing but futility as far as the eye can see -- and yet they still show up for games and cheer on the old home team. Those folks are fans. If the Cubs ever win a Series, Cubbies are going to burn that joint down.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 09:00 AM (4Pleu)

331

If the Cubs ever win a Series, Cubbies are going to burn that joint down.

If the Cubs ever win in my lifetime, I plan on being drunk the rest of it.

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 09:02 AM (hKyl0)

332

Okay, I must apologise to the USA fans in here for snarking that the US was set to humiliate itself. I'm off to go catch a raven and eat it.

That was a good game and the US should have won it 3-2.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 18, 2010 09:09 AM (9Sbz+)

333 Much as Drew gets under my skin, he's right. The USA's defense needs to show up in the first half of the game too. I mean, good lord.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 18, 2010 09:13 AM (9Sbz+)

334 Good game. The USA is fighting really hard for the honor of losing to Germany in the Round of 16.

Posted by: Rocks at June 18, 2010 09:14 AM (Q1lie)

335

"When the NFL and the AFL merged in 1970, the rules were modified, so I'm not sure I'd count any game prior to that. Further, the Cardinals weren't in Arizona in 1920 -- they were in (IIRC) Chicago. Even further further: if you had to go back to 19-frickin-20 to find a zero-zero tie in American football, that pretty much makes my point.

 Umm...no that wasn't your point. Quote:

 "Further -- any game that even allows a zero-zero tie is a waste of time."

 NFL rules theoretically allow a game to end in a 0-0 tie. Whether it has happened or happens frequently is irrelevant. Therefore, according to you, the game itself is a waste of time.

 

 

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at June 18, 2010 09:19 AM (lE7cq)

336

That's why, as they say in MMA, you never put it in the hands of judges.

Ties suck. I think MMA needs to add more rounds to let conditioning determine it. No one wants to see a good, close fight end prematurely (although they still don't hardly ever tie, it gets judged on points).

Only problem is when you occaisonally get exhausted douchebags staring at each other and tapping shoulders for 10 minutes... no one wants the fight to continue and there it's so godawful painful that there needs to be some mechanism for ending boring fights when neither fighter seems to want to.

See, when you get both sides just competing for a tie or neither is aggressively playing, they're smart enough to realize to spectators that it's fuckin poison to to the sport.

Even if you win the match on points, if you're a lazy ass fighter UFC will not be booking you for many more fights. Even if you lose, if you go all out and give a good show you'll get more chances.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 09:21 AM (IsLT6)

337 Look, soccer fans don't mind ties.  For them, it's all good and exciting.  That's fine.  Americans are not built that way.  We like wins and losses.  And when you allow ties, some teams will play for a tie, when it helps overall.  That can get pretty boring - to an American, at least.

No one likes draws.  Everyone would rather see a win.  That's why ties are only worth 1/3 of a win -- to encourage wins.  But soccer games are short (1:45, including halftime, is 4-5 innings worth of baseball), and it's hard to score, unless you are playing against Onyewu.  If you are equally as good on the day as your opponent, I think splitting the points is an acceptable way to proceed in a league format (contrasted with the NFL's tricked-out nonsense, for instance).

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 09:24 AM (5LYVy)

338

NFL rules theoretically allow a game to end in a 0-0 tie. Whether it has happened or happens frequently is irrelevant. Therefore, according to you, the game itself is a waste of time.

Dirk Diggler, master semiotician for hire.

Lamest argument ever. When you've reverted to trying to argue what your oponent thinks with him, you've already lost and you're desperate.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 09:25 AM (IsLT6)

339

Anyone remember Jeff Bagwell? Anyway, back when I was a fan, we were at a Astros v Padres game (1994 maybe) and Bagwell had 30-40 kids asking him for his autograph before the game, during batting practice. We all heard him cussing, talking about pussy, and saying how the "screaming brats" were getting on his nerves. He looked over at the kids and said "shut the fuck up", grabbed his crotch and spit in their direction. That shitty treatment of 5-12 year olds became the norm (not that extreme, ever) rather than the exception.

 Hey give Bags a break. With all the steroids he was on that year, he was bound to be a little irritable. 

 

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at June 18, 2010 09:31 AM (lE7cq)

340 And I can't believe how we're arguing about whether soccer sucks after a dramatic, tension-filled game with 4 (5, really) goals in it... on the night after the worst Game 7 capped off the worst-played NBA Finals in history.

At least I didn't see any FAILS in the game today that my sister could've done better.  I saw about 30 of them last night in the brick-and-turnover game.

Kobe MVP -- 6-for-24?  MVP?  Really?  Clutch shooter Ray Allen -- 3-for-14.  Ugh.  LA wins while shooting 32% and missing 12 FTs.  So many wide-open shots bricked that they should've issued hardhats to the cameramen under the baskets.

THAT was some suck.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 18, 2010 09:35 AM (5LYVy)

341

The stats separate the greatest players from the great players over the span of their careers.

No they don't.

Stat's lack context.

A hit is a hit is a hit. But a hit against a good pitch is a tougher then a hit against a poor pitch.

Statistics are just statistics. It's marginally useful for people trying to use statistical analysis to predict game outcomes and bet on them, but even then, it's ultimately meaningless on 'any given Sunday'.

But hey... I'm not a baseball guy.

Posted by: Entropy at June 18, 2010 09:35 AM (IsLT6)

342

And if you want, you can enjoy that thrill, what, 162 times per season? I wonder how many hours of boredom that would create?

Tell it to Vin Scully. And the people who have listened to him over the years.

Posted by: HH at June 18, 2010 09:52 AM (6oDXl)

343 Tell it to Vin Scully. Bob Uecker, baby. I'm a Twins man, but I used to listen to Brew-crew games just so I could hear him call games. He's a funny guy, but he's also a great baseball announcer.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 09:55 AM (4Pleu)

344 Look: I don't like ties as a rule, but zero-zero ties are just stupid. Why even bother playing the game at all? And if your sport is generating zero-zero ties frequently (and by this I mean more than once or twice a season), there is something deeply wrong with your sport. And if you have players deliberately trying to achieve a tie, that goes beyond "sad" and into "fucked up" territory.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 10:06 AM (4Pleu)

345 tell me again why I'm supposed to care about this mind-numbingly boring game?

Posted by: shoey at June 18, 2010 10:08 AM (yCH89)

346

Wow, how complex. Single, double, triple, in the park or out of the park, bunt, base stealing, sac fly and squeeze plays. It's a regular chess match of unrivaled complexity in the world of sports

Actually, the match up of pitcher vs. batter is pretty close to chess. You have an average 1.42 seconds from the time the ball leaves a major league pitcher’s hand till the batter has to make contact. In that 1.42 seconds, you have to decide 1) what type of pitch (4 seam fastball – probably gonna stay straight, 2 seam – gonna cut either inside or outside, curve – depends, 12-6 (drop down) or straight (left to right) slider (backdoor, you have 1.42 second to decide if it’s a 90 plus mph fastball that just is gonna miss its spot and hit you on the ass or whether you should stay in and wait for it to break) and then 2) location and then 3) in the zone/outside the zone.

 

Seriously, what happens in soccer that takes 1.42 seconds to decide? Should I do another toot on that damn noise maker or just mug someone in the stands?

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 10:22 AM (hKyl0)

347 This thread is starting to make me look fresh.

Posted by: Chicago Cub Bankruptcy Thread at June 18, 2010 10:32 AM (hKyl0)

348

We really need a new thread. Either that, or I am gonna do a pitch by pitch breakdown of The Greatness classic outing against the Indians last year.

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 10:33 AM (hKyl0)

349

Lamest argument ever. When you've reverted to trying to argue what your oponent thinks with him, you've already lost and you're desperate.

 Thanks for the tip Socrates, but next time try paying attention to the thread. I wasn't the one continually clarifying my initial statement.  

  

 

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at June 18, 2010 10:39 AM (lE7cq)

350 I wasn't the one continually clarifying my initial statement.  

  

I have been told that misspeaking, over and over, can get you into trouble.

Posted by: Joe Barton at June 18, 2010 10:44 AM (hKyl0)

351  It is Friday and the Open is this weekend! Have a nice day and a nice weekend ya bunch of ego-opinionated cry babies.

 

Uh, dude, you were the one that started the baseball is chess crap. And, I guess it would be a split decision to take a shot, if it werenÂ’t for the fact that 90% of soccer is played in the middle of the damn field where no one takes a shot anyway.

 

Oh, yea, “this is gay” = great argument. Usually when one is losing a debate, one starts the ad homenim attacks. Golf – hey, I already said I’m not into golf either, so not sure where that one came from.

 

Now, does soccer take skill and talent – yes. Never disputed that. As I first noted, its not my sport. There are things about soccer I just donÂ’t like – mainly that it is too much defense (in the middle)  and lack of an actual time clock.

 

If you are leaving, do me a favor, donÂ’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Posted by: Mallamutt, catching World Cup fever cause 0-0 ties are dramatic!!!! at June 18, 2010 10:54 AM (hKyl0)

352

Sorry if I pissed you off. Didn't mean to.

No problem – it’s the freaking internets. Nothing important.

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 11:08 AM (hKyl0)

353 Mallamutt: I must confess that I dislike soccer in direct proportion to the number of people who are earnestly trying to get me to like it. Because it's the world's sport! Meh. That's not a plus, given how many assholes there are in the world. I dunno -- if it weren't for the constant harping about how much I ought to like it, I'd probably dislike it less atavistically than I do. I still wouldn't like it because I honestly believe it is a fundamentally flawed game, but...eh. If I want to watch a physically-demanding activity that has no ultimate point, I'll watch ballet. At least the chicks are cute.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 11:11 AM (4Pleu)

354

 I'll watch ballet. At least the chicks are cute.

Truth be told, I may be the only person who watched the Iditaroid. Dog racing – yea, I can see where people will think that is boring. The difference – I am not telling everyone how great it is. And I really don’t even mind the soccer fan telling me how great the game is: they are a fan, so of course they think it is great. Now, I am tired of ESPN telling me how great it is. I am tired of FIFA telling me how great it is. And yes, I am tired of Europe, Africa, et. al. telling me how great it is. Look, soccer, you got fans in the U.S. good for you. But, at least for the immediate future, please do not tell me its gonna surpass football, baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf in popularity. It isn’t. Why – because we Americans like scoring. We want 42-41 football scores, we want 7-6 baseball scores, we want 111-110 basketball scores. We like scoring.

 

Soccer may never gain the popularity here that it enjoys else where until the governing body figures out how to get the average game to 5-4, not 1-1.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 11:25 AM (hKyl0)

355

Monty, look at it this way. Listen to baseball on the radio, or soccer?

"Low and inside, bases loaded."

Or

"Ball kicked back across mid-field".

Pretty much sums it up, eh?

Posted by: HH at June 18, 2010 11:27 AM (6oDXl)

356 Sorry, but is has been brought to my attention that rooting for USA to advance now means rooting for a 0-0 or 1-1 max tie in the England v Algeria game. I am sure that'll get everyone all riled up about world cup soccer and on the bandwagon.

Posted by: That guy who can;'t shut up and just leave everyone alone at June 18, 2010 03:11 PM (gMONh)


No. They just need England to tie or beat Algeria and Slovenia, and to win themselves against Algeria. Basically it amounts to routing for England and themselves.


But England is looking crappy. This is one lousy group really.


Posted by: Rocks at June 18, 2010 11:30 AM (Q1lie)

357

"Ball kicked back across mid-field".

Pretty much sums it up, eh?

Which was one of the earlier points I made: until you get soccer past the middle of the field, where its  defensive minded game, it just isnÂ’t going to get that popular here.

 

The NHL had a similar problem in the mid 90s with the New Jersey Devils. The Devils ran a center ice trap which made scoring very difficult. They pretty much played 3 seasons of 2-1, 2-0 or 1-0 hockey. And it was boring. So, what did the NHL do, tinkered with the rules, negated the advantage, scoring went up and the game started to get popular again.

 

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 11:31 AM (hKyl0)

358

I dunno -- if it weren't for the constant harping about how much I ought to like it, I'd probably dislike it less atavistically than I do. I

You had the same attitude about vegetables when you were young.  

Posted by: Monty's Mom at June 18, 2010 11:32 AM (hKyl0)

359

The thread is deadÂ…Â…Â….Jim

Posted by: Dr. Bones McCoy at June 18, 2010 11:34 AM (hKyl0)

360 You know what's great about baseball?



It's even more boring than soccer?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 18, 2010 11:38 AM (oPZ+v)

361 Pretty much sums it up, eh? Except that at the end of a baseball game, someone wins.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 11:47 AM (4Pleu)

362

I don't recall anyone telling others in the soccer threads that they need to or should like it or that it will be a big sport here

Yea - that would be wrong.

Posted by: ESPN's Marketing Department at June 18, 2010 11:55 AM (hKyl0)

363 Monty, look at it this way. Listen to baseball on the radio, or soccer? Another thing I'd say (as a fan, of course) about baseball: things change with every single pitch. Baseball never maintains status quo -- every pitched ball changes things fundamentally. Consider what you just said: bases loaded, pitch low and inside. Well, if the pitch is a ball and the ball count is 3, the pitcher just walked a run in, didn't he? If the count was 3-2 and the pitch was a strike, the batter is out. For any other count, the balls/strikes count will change. In some rare cases, the manager may lose his freaking mind and try a suicide squeeze -- especially if it's a big game and there are less than two outs. The same is not true of soccer: you get about eighty-five minutes of status quo and maybe (if you're lucky) five minutes of actual game. I mean, seriously: if you start a game at zero-zero and end it at zero-zero, what changed? The players ran around and the ball got kicked a lot, but nothing actually happened.

Posted by: Monty at June 18, 2010 11:59 AM (4Pleu)

364 I refuse to read 393 posts about Soccer. Who won? The only reason I care is that most of the lifeguards at the pool are either solvenian or bulgarian this summer.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2010 12:01 PM (cXrqQ)

365 You anti soccer types suck. Don't like the sport? Stay the hell off the thread. You've become sports trolls.

GO USA!

Posted by: kidney(SoCon,Bitches!) at June 18, 2010 12:17 PM (ENRGu)

366

You anti soccer types suck. Don't like the sport? Stay the hell off the thread. You've become sports trolls.


Thank you. It is that type of future blind adherence we will expect out of camp leaders like you. For that type of spirit, you will get extra serving of gruel tonight.

 

Posted by: Rahm, scouting for camp locations at June 18, 2010 12:32 PM (hKyl0)

367

LSU beating Texas 3-0, top of the 2nd in the College World Series.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 12:35 PM (hKyl0)

368

I guess all the cobloggers and Ace got confused and thought a soccer game lasted as long as a cricket game and they only had to put up one thread for 3 days.

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 18, 2010 12:46 PM (hKyl0)

369 The ref is pretty damn lucky that England and Algeria played to a draw.  The crazy yanks would have gone outlaw on the referee if the US was playing its final match -2 to the co-leaders.

Posted by: wtfci at June 18, 2010 12:59 PM (R4rMI)

370

Good work Algeria.

England, quit wanking and PLAY SOME BLOODY FOOTBALL for a fucking change.

Posted by: Zimriel the Englishman at June 18, 2010 01:06 PM (9Sbz+)

371

Wow,

 

How's this for interesting?

Algeria tied England 0-0.  This means that Slovenia has 4 points, USA and England have 2 and Algeria 1.

Now, if the US beats Algeria, they most likely move into the 2nd round (the only way they wouldn't is if England ties Slovenia and it's a 4-4 tie or something).  But here's the kicker.  The US could actually lock up the top spot if England beats Slovenia.  England and the US would both have 5 points each, but unless England outscores Slovenia like 4-0, the US would get the top spot because of offensive goal differential.  Talk about oddities...

Posted by: Mat at June 18, 2010 01:12 PM (d8AS2)

372 "Slovenia, which wears distinctive striped jerseys that resemble Charlie Brown's shirts, pretty much views the United States the way the Americans look at soccer powers" They think we're pussies??

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