1 This post seems very linked.

2 Link-a-licious

3 Awesome.  We're all "American Taliban" now?  Is there a secret handshake?  Do we get t-shirts?

4 Truly a red-letter day.

5 Just some temporaty HTML-Fu from the proprietor.

6 The polls were fake, but accurate......

7

Research 2000 Polls

What were they?

I never read Kos and I have never heard of this stuff before.

8 I've always heard it referred to as "The Christian Taliban".  The "American Taliban", it seems to me, would be referring to something else.

9
Weismann and Weismann? No good can come out of this pair.

10 I wonder who was about to blow the whistle? Hippies don't cop to mistakes unless someone's about to expose them.

11

Research 2000 Polls

What were they?

Janeane Garofalo and Michael Moore asked each other questions.

12 Never thought I'd find a guy who likes the links more than I do!

13 Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

14
This is serious business

Lying - it's Serious Business^®.

15 Who?

16 it's not really news that liberals feed en masse from a trough that slops what they think they want to hear. and that sites/news sources are willing to dish out the swill to the idiots. a lot like foxnews or msnbc... here's where I get labeled a troll. but I'm not.

17 The first thing most pollsters ask a customer is "What results do you want?"

If you want truth, you need to find the folks who do market research.

18 Q20: Do you favor putting women in a sack? Results: Republicans -- 95% yes, 2% no, 3% don't know. Q21: If you answered YES to Q20, can she display a little ankle? Results: Republicans -- 7% yes, 90% no, 3% die infidel

19
speaking of polls...

did y'all see the polls about how Americans (and Loiusianans) feel about shutting down oil drilling?

20 let's face it, it's not as if his beliefs were based on polling and other objective indicators anyway.

Liberal Reality® _{(Some assembly required)}

21

If Republicans were anything like the actual Taliban they'd be negotiating a surrender to us and Code Pink would visit our leaders to express sympathy. 

22
I wonder what has forced the little piece of shit into owning up to all his fabrications?  Must have been busted by somebody and is trying to blunt the point.

23 May I suggest Rasmussen for all your future polling needs, Mr. Kossak?

24
***Flaming Barney Frank***

Scott Brown is a big fat fucking NO for the Democrat's financial reform scheme.

25 Hilarious. The Left is completely dissolving right in front of our eyes. Of course, they'll be congratulating themselves and feigning virtue even as they circle the drain. Dumb humps.

26

If Markos can claim to be an Iraq war vet (first Gulf war), then what is a little fudging around the edges?

Don't you forget his serving in Germany makes him an expert, on everything.

27 If Republicans were anything like the actual Taliban they'd be negotiating a surrender to us and Code Pink would visit our leaders to express sympathy. Stoning transgressors, marching in the local July 4th parade. Potayto, potahto

28 So, Kos - what conclusions, positions, rants need to be restated now? The fruit of the poisoned tree must exculpated.

29

I guess he'll probably delete references to the Research 2000 polls while keeping all the conclusions, because, let's face it, it's not as if his beliefs were based on polling and other objective indicators anyway.

I don't get it, what's the problem here, Ace?

30

Falsified? The actual statistical case against the polls is not one about mere methodological failure, but of simply making stuff up.

Seriously, Ace, what are you getting at here?

31 They knew it too at some point but like good little liberals they kept paying the bill even though they were getting it up the @ss.

Posted by: Upscale Community Organizing Thought Criminal at June 29, 2010 02:22 PM (IhHdM)

Now that's what I'm talking about!

32 Do these guys want to review some weather data?

33
Republicans are just like the Taliban = settled science.

34

Janeane Garofalo and Michael Moore asked each other questions.

Posted by: anti-con at June 29, 2010 02:17 PM (s8X9y)

So Kos, who is politically an America-hating, neo-Marxist kook who in the past has cheered the deaths of Americans at the hands of terrorists (and may still do that when the opportunity arises), commissioned/shopped a fraudulent poll to show he's not a kook, but when outed blames the pollsters for giving him what he set out to get.

Got it!

Screw him! In a sane world, he would have been singing from a rope years ago and we would have already forgotten his name.

35 In 25 words or less, what were the Research 2000 results that were phony?  And what year was the polling done?

36

I took one look at one of their polls a year ago and saw that it was so far out of a statistical norm that it had to be total fabrication.

Math is racist.  And hard.  But mostly racist.

37 I guess he'll probably delete references to the Research 2000 polls while keeping all the conclusions, because, let's face it, it's not as if his beliefs were based on polling and other objective indicators anyway.

Data is racist.

38 Leftists on leftist website laps up polls that tell them what they want to see but yet later turn out to be bogus? Shock!

39

Falsified? The actual statistical case against the polls is not one about mere methodological failure, but of simply making stuff up.

Seriously, Ace, what are you getting at here?

Yeah, what they said.

40

O/T: Breitbart is offering $100K for the full Journolist archive.

Hee Hee

41 Stoning transgressors, marching in the local July 4th parade.

Potayto, potahto

Posted by: Kossack at June 29, 2010 02:26 PM (4Kl5M)

Getting elected to the school board, blowing up the school for girls...

Telling your daughter to wear something less revealing than a micro mini, spraying acid in the faces of women who show their faces...

Hoping Christians don't renounce their faith, killing apostates who renounce their faith per sharia law in an actual court proceeding... 

 

42 Kos got pwn'd. Research 2000 knew a sucker when they saw one. It's a pretty good racket. Gin up bullshit that fits your client's narrative. Cover your tracks with stats. Send money offshore and wait for the sucker to squeal. They rode the gravy train for a long time. Must have been a helluva payday

43 Does it involve my second chakra? If not, I've lost interest.

44

How we use terms differently: "Likely Bunk"

Ace = BS results

Morons = hawt chick

45 So DK admits it paid for and published BUNK.  And here I was hoping they'd have a heart attack this November.

46 41 Holy crap, really? Go Breitbart! You just know some of those shit-for-brains MSM'ers are up to their eyeballs in debt of some sort. Someone will bite. (Fingers crossed...)

47

Come Mister Taliban,

Tally me banana clip on me AK-47 . . .

48 25
***Flaming Barney Frank***

Scott Brown is a big fat fucking NO for the Democrat's financial reform scheme.

Posted by: a proud ewaster at June 29, 2010 02:25 PM (uFokq)

Ya think Brown will ever learn that the libs will always sneak pork spending in all bills...startin to think this guy ain't too swift on the up-take.

 

49 Does RCP still use DK polls in their average?

50 American Taliban, How War, Sex, Sin and Power Bind Jihadists and The Radical Right. Talk about a bungee jump of logic.

How about American Taliban, False Assertions and Other Straw Dogs.
What would be the point of arguing with idiots like this? It makes you wonder why they pay for polling at all.

51 Having "bunk!" in a thread about KOS made me lose my lunch......

52

Say you believe, like Kos, that anything and everything is fair when the end is a socialist utopia for all. Then you are shocked when some atheist, radical, utopian lies?

 Funny that.

53 Don't make me say it, okay?

54
O/T: Breitbart is offering $100K for the full Journolist archive.

I betcha he gets it, something about honor among shitbags, or some such metaphor.

55 Stoning transgressors, marching in the local July 4th parade.

I'm pretty sure even acknowledging the existence of Independence Day is racist, sexist, and heteronormative...much, much more vile than torturing rape victims to death over a period of hours. 

56 Guess kos missed hearing the old saw "You Can't cheat an honest man ".

57 Per NRO, Kos has 716 posts that mention Research 2000.

58 I have complained over there about those numbers ever since they started using those <s>crooks </s> pollsters.

The funny thing now is they won't be able to bash Rasmussen (EVIL WINGNUTS!) like they used to.. hahahahaha.

59 Liberal pollsters just making shit up? Hell, that's what libtards do, just make shit up. Standard procedure. Their whole philosophy is just made up shit. They run into problems when they attempt to make their made up shit fit into some kind of reality based scheme. It no worky. That's why after decades of failed liberal policies that do nothing but waste shitloads of money and accomplish absolutely nothing they can keep on keeping on as true believers. They never look back at what they've done and say "hey, that made up shit doesn't work". If they did, their made up world would collapse like a crack whore's dream.

60 Does a fake poll really matter to the post-modern left who believe there are no truths? 

61 I thought Kos set himself on fire ... or maybe I just dreamed it ....

62 Ooops!  Still had that name in there from last week!

63 But Intrade has Dems up by 20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

64 Con men will tell you that you can't fleece a man by telling him something he doesn't already believe.  In this case, the grifters were selling results "too good to check". Markos got played!

65

Holy crap, really?
Go Breitbart!
You just know some of those shit-for-brains MSM'ers are up to their eyeballs in debt of some sort. Someone will bite.

Yep.  He's offering complete protection for the source.  Here's the problem: He's only going to pay for the whole archive and nobody in Journolist will come out looking good.  The most likely leaker will be an IT guy or somebody who wasn't involved in the conversation.

66 I don't know what's happened here and am reluctant to malign a company with an allegation this large

They tried to sucker punch us in the jimmy to support an argument that we are a threat to the United States.

Heads, Pikes, NOW!

67 Using external stats as a lie detector should be used a lot more in academia; in fact an independent, blind analysis of the numbers should be a prerequisite for publication.

68
<s>crooks </s>

Protip:  use the wee little buttons up there /\ instead of trying to use markup.  Like this.

69 they had to work out of a Kinkos office




That's some funny shit right there.

70 "But note he's renouncing any post he's written.

Not any book."

Hmm...I hope someone more computer-and-research savvy than I will take the trouble to collect up all of Kos's renounced posts and compare them to the evidence and conclusions listed in his book.

Something tells me that "renounced" may ultimately come to mean "deleted".

71 Who else had Research2000 as a client?

72

I don't know what's happened here and am reluctant to malign a company with an allegation this large (which, if true, would surely destroy the company entirely).

I'm sure they would do the same for you Ace. No, really!

73 67 Much better than taking up a collection and giving an 18 month window in which to come up with the archives, as a few people (including myself) were talking about at Althouse. I forget which blogger originally came up with the idea, but Breitbart's way is better.

74
probably rise to the top of the NYT best-seller list

I don't know, kind of think it'll be discounted pretty quickly and end up at the Dollar General with Two Chakra Gore's missives.

75 The most likely leaker will be an IT guy or somebody who wasn't involved in the conversation.

Schadenfreude with awesome coulis.

76 I'm thinking that if your statistical analysis company tells you that they can't respond to you because their computers are down and they are working out of Kinko's, its probably time to be concerned. Note, this is the same Research 2000 that had Coakley over Brown by about 8 points one week before the election. You'd get better results by studying the entrails of a dead goat.

77

Global warming statistics found to be falsified and skewed. Please resubmit comments to all posts referencing the rape of Gaia.

78 I hope those grafters took Markos for a mint. Little weasel needed a good reaming. Nasty little drooling, slobbering dwarf troll should be living under a bridge somewhere,  taking donkypunches for a quarter a pop.

79 From their site, sorry about the formatting - pixy hates me. We’re A Respected Name Some of our most active media clientele include the Bergen Record, The Raleigh News & Observer, The Concord Monitor, The Manchester Journal Inquirer, The New London Day, The Reno-Gazette, The Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, The Spokesman-Review, KCCI-Television in Des Moines, Iowa, WRAL-Television in Raleigh, North Carolina, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and KMOV-Television in St. Louis, Missouri. Our Polls can be seen on CNN’S “Inside Politics” and are also mentioned frequently in the National Journal’s “Political Hotline”, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Christian Science Monitor, and The Wall Street Journal. Visit our In the News Page to see some online examples of this. Some of our non media clientele include NEA affiliates in (Idaho, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, and Washington), Sullivan & LeShane, The New Mexico Gaming Commission, Vermont Power Electric, The Coalition to Reduce Nuclear Dangers, and NCG Porter Novelli.

80 That couldn't have been easy for Kos.  On the other hand, the good news is that he doesn't really have any credibility to lose.

81 Using external stats as a lie detector should be used a lot more in academia; in fact an independent, blind analysis of the numbers should be a prerequisite for publication.

Very interesting.

I was going to object by saying that once an analysis suite is developed, new techniques for "hiding the decline" would emerge.

But at some point, this "arms race" will make it too costly to attempt to defraud.

Then, I was going to say that if this adds so much cost to reviewed publication, there will be much less publication.

But would less publication be a bad thing?

82 41

O/T: Breitbart is offering $100K for the full Journolist archive.

Hee Hee

Posted by: AmishDude at June 29, 2010 02:33 PM (T0NGe)

I'm still waiting for the magic loogy video.

83 in fact an independent, blind analysis of the numbers should be a prerequisite for publication. Posted by: Jean

But how will we guarantee ourselves positions and grants that way?

84 The little weasel fancies hisself a writer, doe he? Got his Big Chief tablet  and his Big Bird pencil out and penned up a manuscript about the "American Taliban". What a fucking laugh. Did all his research at Kos and DU with footnotes by Chaz Johnson.

85

Man google searches show that Research 2000 is cited all over the place. 

This should be big, but it won't be for some really weird, unexpected, unprecedented reason that I just can't seem to figure out.

 

86

52 American Taliban, How War, Sex, Sin and Power Bind Jihadists and The Radical Right. Talk about a bungee jump of logic.

Yeah, well, being Left these days means hating (Christian and Jewish) religion.  I don't really get the whole premise because their attitude on Jihadism is that it's OK in that multi-culti way.  So are they saying that the Right isn't that bad and just has their own peculiar institutions and ideosyncratic behavior or are they saying Islamists are evil too?

The comparisons between Jihadists and Communists are precise.  Both assert that ends justify means.  Lying is permissible in the fighting of the cause.  Existing institutions must be destroyed and civilization in chaos for the coming moral ruling class. Once they win the global struggle, there will be paradise on earth and the notion that there is actually something to be done after the imposition of paradise is not even considered.  Furthermore, they believe in their theories and prophecies despite copious evidence to the contrary.

Furthermore, liberals cheer on their more honest and radical Communist brethren in secret in the way many Islamists cheer on the Jihadists.

87 Well, this sucks. I feel like I need a vacation. Maybe I'll fire up the pickup that I bolted the 200 MPG carburetor to (bought it from a guy that saved from GM's crusher: sweet!) and tool down to Florida to view the 4 miles of prime water-front property I just bought in beautiful, quiet Opa-Locka (got a screaming good deal on that, too!). That'll calm me down, especially since this new Rolex I bought from that nice guy in the subway quit and I can't read these warranty instructions. Why the hell would the Swiss print warranties in Sri Lankan anyhow???

88

I think it is sad that there isn't a way to better teach statistical analysis in schools so that Americans would stop falling for lies that are prettied up as statistics and polls and projections, etc.

I know that I used to fall victim to this until I started reading some books like "Predictably Irrational" and "True Enough" and "The Drunkard's Walk" among others that did a great job of explaining why and how statistics can lie.

89

Man google searches show that Research 2000 is cited all over the place. 

It's Alinsky time.  Pick, freeze, personalize, and polarize.

90 74 Who else had Research2000 as a client?

Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2010 02:47 PM (Yp0Ox)

Yo.

91 This Daily Kos person is a real smartass. 

I guess Mr. Kos never heard of Mark Twain, who famously said "Give me stats or give me death."  I tell you, those Romans really knew their stuff.

92

From a Feb, 2000 Kos post:

As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic  world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born.

The results are nothing short of startling.

Kos is trying to get out ahead of this, but his credibility is screwed.  Read his post, along with his summaries of the poll results and corresponding snarky personal views and comments, and you'll see how screwed he is.

93 Who is publishing this impending piece of crap? It would be interesting to see if this thing has already been printed. Perhaps Oprah can add this to her list of 'books that were too good to be true, and which were, resulting in yet another publisher receiving demands for refunds". It woul;d be even more interesting to see if Walmart, Borders, Barnes &Noble and others will williingly carry this turkey.

94 If he used their results for his book, he's going to have to pull it. Fortunately for Kos, it's not out yet.

The price was already down to about $10.50, too. Man, is this going to suck for him!

95

"But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

What could possibly go wrong?

96 Blue Hen?

The publisher is Polipoint Press. Have fun!

97

Furthermore, liberals cheer on their more honest and radical Communist brethren in secret in the way many Islamists cheer on the Jihadists.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 29, 2010 02:59 PM (T0NGe)

And both groups fabricate, disseminate and inhabit The Big Lie,

while viciously shouting down and attacking all inconvenient facts, and reality itself.

98 MikeO But would less publication be a bad thing? in the wake of the AGW scandals, I would rather have fewer references that have had their math checked by a third party vice incestuous peer review.

99 How much of an advance did Kos get for that book?

100

81 I hope those grafters took Markos for a mint. Little weasel needed a good reaming. Nasty little drooling, slobbering dwarf troll should be living under a bridge somewhere,  taking donkypunches for a quarter a pop.

... yeah, what he said.

LOL!

101 This is turning out to be a bad day for journoweasels. My balls are gettin' that waterlogged and wrinkly feeling again

102

I'd suggest an alternate theory: Kos hired R2000 to create falsified polls that would support his views, create "breaking news," and drive traffic to his site.  Then three guys contacted him and told him that it looked pretty obvious that the polls were faked -- at which point, he had no good options.

If he blew off the three guys, they could go public with their analysis and cut him off at the knees;  if he pretended to be "shocked, shocked!" at the revelation of faked polls, he'd have to contend with R2000 pushing back.  He would have figured that making one enemy out of R2000 would be easier to manage than making enemies of everyone who bought the outsiders' analysis over his denials.  By accusing R2000 of fraud, he gets to claim victimhood status and create a presumption of their guilt in the minds of his followers.

It'll be interesting to see if R2000 can come back and refute the accusations against it.  If so, they may have grounds for a nice, fat libel suit.

103 This is turning out to be a bad day for journoweasels. My balls are gettin' that waterlogged and wrinkly feeling again

Posted by: Zimriel at June 29, 2010 03:21 PM (9Sbz+)

Wrong brand of pudding?

104 "102 How much of an advance did Kos get for that book? Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2010"

I really don't know, but looking at the Amazon page, I'm seeing that the list price is $15.95; Amazon's selling it at $10.76. If there was an advance, it's shrinking by the hour.

My guess? He's going to have to pull it; if there was an advance, I hope like hell (he's married and has kids) he didn't spend it.

105 I'm pretty sure even acknowledging the existence of Independence Day is racist, sexist, and heteronormative...

I know, but that movie sucked SO BAD

106 Maybe Kos can hire Rasmussen next time. 

107 you should ask iowahawk to write about this here ace. isn't he a statistician or something. I remember he had a lot of enlightening info on the falsified global warming charts.

108 Note, this is the same Research 2000 that had Coakley over Brown by about 8 points one week before the election. You'd get better results by studying the entrails of a dead goat.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 29, 2010 02:48 PM (VW9/y)

Hey, give me those back!  I have a couple more rounds of World Cup action to predict!

109 22
I wonder what has forced the little piece of shit into owning up to all his fabrications?  Must have been busted by somebody and is trying to blunt the point.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 29, 2010 02:24 PM (fx8sm)

This is simple.  They had the proof of what R2K did.  And they told him you can publish it yourself if you want, but we're going to make sure it gets out there, and we'll even remark on your not publishing it.

110 This is turning out to be a bad day for journoweasels. My balls are gettin' that waterlogged and wrinkly feeling again

Posted by: Zimriel at June 29, 2010 03:21 PM (9Sbz+)

Wrong brand of pudding?

NEVER compromise on discount pudding.

111 My guess? He's going to have to pull it; if there was an advance, I hope like hell (he's married and has kids) he didn't spend it.

Posted by: Dianna at June 29, 2010 03:24 PM (qrFCz)

Take a good look at him (@ HA), if the rodent is married, it's to a pacific sea otter and they have pups.

112 Kos 2000: The Bunkening.

113 @ 99
The publisher is Polipoint Press. Have fun!
Posted by: Dianna at June 29, 2010 03:15 PM (qrFCz)   Whoa!  That's mind-boggling when you consider that Kos called Polipoint Press "thieves" back in 2006!  Here's the quote:   ---begin quote---
"PoliPoint Press scored big in its second book, wooing established author Joe Conason to join its ranks. It seemed that the publishing house was headed toward respectability and great things. But alas, it was not to be.

"But Polipoint Press, however altruistic its founding may have been, fact is, it is now run by a den of thieves."
---end quote---
(BTW, terrible prose style there, Kos.  You showed your "but" twice in a row.)

So a guy who calls a publishing house a "den of thieves" four years ago turns around and picks them for his publisher???  Could it be that maybe they were the only ones who made him an offer?  Nah, he probably wanted to give them a chance to redeem themselves.  That guy Kos, he's all heart.

114 Jean-

Research 2000 had legitimate clients before they got into bed with Kos.  I seem to recall them polling Missouri for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 2008, though my memory may be faulty.  They weren't stellar, but their polls were believable even if a little Democrat-leaning.   

Then they got into bed with Kos.  Which raises the ultimate question: were the Research 2000/Kos polls bunk because Research 2000 was engaged in fraudulent polling or because that's how Kos wanted them to be in order to shape the political narrative.  Kos seems to be feigning ignorance, but I'd be shocked if he didn't know how his own polls would be weighted to bolster Democrats. 

115

Argh!  Formatting fail!  Let's try this again:

@ 99
The publisher is Polipoint Press. Have fun!
Posted by: Dianna at June 29, 2010 03:15 PM (qrFCz)

Whoa!  That's mind-boggling when you consider that Kos called Polipoint Press "thieves" back in 2006!  Here's the quote:

---begin quote---
"PoliPoint Press scored big in its second book, wooing established author Joe Conason to join its ranks. It seemed that the publishing house was headed toward respectability and great things. But alas, it was not to be.

"But Polipoint Press, however altruistic its founding may have been, fact is, it is now run by a den of thieves."
---end quote---

(BTW, terrible prose style there, Kos.  You showed your "but" twice in a row.)

So a guy who calls a publishing house a "den of thieves" four years ago turns around and picks them for his publisher???  Could it be that maybe they were the only ones who made him an offer?  Nah, he probably wanted to give them a chance to redeem themselves.  That guy Kos, he's all heart.

116

Both here and HotAir ran the stroy, neither one tells exactly which poll(s) was /were faked.

Oh, well, never mind, it's not like I really want to go to DK to find out his screaiming rants anyway.

117

I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world.

Well lets see, if this is true does that mean that the radical Jihadists all want to hunt themselves down and kill themselves?  After all, that is one of the many agenda items on my conservative to do list.  Exterminate them, like the vermin they are.  Somehow I'm guessing though this isn't on most Jihadist to do lists. 

I'm also guessing most of the Taliban could care less about whether or not we do something to control our borders, or get some kind of reasonable control on immigration.  I'm also guessing they could care less how much I pay in taxes, or how I would prefer government to stay out of my business more and worry more about things like the ones I mentioned above than on whether or not my kids have a happy meal now and again.

Nope, I'm guessing the entire premise of this book is, well, total bullshit.  So I guess it only stands to reason that the only "studies" he could find to base it on weren't worth they paper they were printed on either.  Hmm.. go figure...

 

 

118 Everyone knows that the best parents are the ones that always say "yes".

119 #116 - Mary in LA

Whoa!

I also note that there is no Amazon page for Kos' other work - Taking on the System.  This means I will have to look elsewhere to see who published it.

120

Both here and HotAir ran the stroy, neither one tells exactly which poll(s) was /were faked.

Rough guess, all of them.  Those that weren't were skewed to a predesired result from the get go, and those that showed a result they didn't like were discarded.

You can influence the results of a poll greatly just on how you phrase a particular question, and I'm sorry but calling 300 people in New York or California and using those results to "extrapolate" the opinions of a much broader base of people doesn't work well, because if you call 300 people from Nebraska or Utah your going to get nearly opposite results.

So in the end, polls are pretty much shit.  They tell you almost nothing, the only worth a poll has is if you compare it to a previous poll using the same methodology and examine the differences to reveal a trend.  Otherwise, polls aren't really worth much.

121 always right-

Every Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll commissioned over the past year or so is suspect.  Research 2000 flat out blew a number of Democratic primary polls this cycle, almost always favoring the so-called "progressive" candidate.  For example, their final Arkansas Senate runoff poll was an absolute joke, showing Halter with a 4-point lead.  He lost by 4.  That was the last straw for Kos, who fired Research 2000 shortly thereafter.

122

This means I will have to look elsewhere to see who published it.

Joe Stalin Publishing.  Sorry, don't have the ISBN number handy.

123 Penguin Group USA published Taking on the System. In hardbound, which translates as they thought it would be a good seller for them.

Now he's with a small press and that press was going to publish him in paper?

Ouch.

124 Does it really matter? Liberals make things up all the time to support their idiotic beliefs whether they have phony polling data or not.

125

I really love the "computers are down" excuse R2K is using.  I wonder if they're using the same servers as the EACRU. 

Memory hole singularity in 3...2...1...

126 This poll says everything that I want to hear therefore it must be totally true.

127

3 Awesome.  We're all "American Taliban" now?  Is there a secret handshake?  Do we get t-shirts? - Jane D'oh

 

Yours will be a wet t-shirt, of course. 

128 Are we sure "Weismann" isn't pseudonym for "Mann" ... as in Michael Mann? Sounds like some of the same statistical methods being employed.

129 Don't make me say it, okay?

Posted by: Mark Twain at June 29, 2010 02:38 PM (N7uu0)

 

Step aside Pal.

I'm the one who said it.

130 IÂ’m also not inclined to crow over the failure of dKos polling

- Ed Morrissey

131 You know who's stupid? Sarah Palin, that's who!

Suck it wingnuts, everybody knows she's stupid. She'll fall for anything. Ha, ha ha!

/s/
Dkos zombie who giggled and laughed about the "results" of the Research 2000 poll which proved what he already knew.

132 Book was strippedof references to R2K, except in two instances where I couldn't do so without affecting page count (too late for me to do that since the index was done), but those two examples also references other supporting polling, so my premise didn't depend on the R2K results.

by kos

-----------------------------------

Someone asked kos about his book,.. that was his response..   just strip the references!  Uh huh.. R2K polls had almost nothing to do with the premise, right kos?

133 Kos thinks there are American Taliban? Awesome. I have a place of honor in a soccer stadium when the time comes....=)

134 "Someone asked kos about his book,.. that was his response..   just strip the references!  Uh huh.. R2K polls had almost nothing to do with the premise, right kos?
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry"

Ohhh. He is sooooooo screwed.

He'll be lucky, after people get finished eviscerating him for this, to find a vanity publisher who will touch him.

P.S. I know that's optimistic; however, his "perceptions", when not supported by a poll or some other, more solid proof than ravings from the fringes of the internet, are not going to increase his credibility. He can kiss any hope of mainstream notice goodbye.

135

The left is dissolving right before our eyes

What a world, what a world.

 

"He'll be lucky, after people get finished eviscerating him for this, to find a vanity publisher who will touch him."

I suggest IUniverse.

136 ...and that he is racist against white people.

Er, that's a radical thought? He kind of makes that pretty plain.

137 Note that Charlie Johnson used the same poll to slam the GOP:  "These numbers are astounding. Social conservatism has a death grip on the GOP."

138 i cannot wait for the trial. this is going to be awesome.

i'm taking bets on R2000 claiming Kos asked them to falsify the numbers.

I understand "willful ignorance," but is he really THAT stupid that he wouldn't know something was fishy? (wait, don't answer that, i guess it's plausible that he is).

139 So where's his Bancroft prize?  Bellesiles got one.

140 who don't believe Obama was born in the United States, that he is the second coming of Lenin, and that he is racist against white people.

Wait.. when did this not become true?

141 Money quote from Nate Silver @ 538.com (he's left leaning, so he should have had some cred with Kos): although I did forward a copy of this information to Markos and encouraged him to do additional due diligence on Research 2000. http://tinyurl.com/3a2lgcc That timeline puts it about a month after the poll that formed the basis for "American Taliban."

142 P.S. Best comment from the Slashdot story: "You'd think they would spend Soros money more carefully."

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