1 >>Then we would hear from the left not that we should repeal this crap but that we need more government in the form of either a public option or single payer.<< Almost as if they designed it that way!

2
You're right. Right. Bloody well right.

3 You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

I keep hoping that da yoot are gonna revolt against this.  If the eeevil Republicans could peel away 10-20% of da yoot vote, it'd be tricky for the Dems to get elected.

4 If it stays at $750, isn't every employer simply going to drop health coverage, pay the per capita fine and pocket the difference?

It's cheaper than paying for their insurance, I can tell you right now.  My employees are covered by the company.  $750 is less than one months premiums.  Shall we call this what it is...extortion.

5

"the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor"

Or, as we call it at AoSHQ, "Sunday Brunch."

6 I don't see the penalty making much difference, at least for existing employers.  They already provided insurance when it was voluntary, so why would they drop it now that there's a penalty - even if the penalty is cheaper than the coverage?  From a practical standpoint, I think the problem with the penalty is what it will do to new and/or struggling businesses that need every penny and now don't have the option of foregoing/eliminating insurance.

7 the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor.

He makes this sound like a bad thing. If I cut it down to 2 packs, half a gallon and only the chicken fat which isn't in direct contact with the floor is that okay?

Even at 2 or 3 thousand dollars per employee it might be worth it for some companies to dump health care coverage. I'm not sure what group rates are for big employers but I'd think it's got to be close to that number

Close? You wish. At only $3000 any business would be saving over $5000 per employee, more for family coverage.

8 You're right. Right. Bloody well right.

You have no bloody right to say.

9

And let's not forget the fiscal crater this thing will leave.

10
If the A-mish don't have to buy insurance, neither do any of us.

11 I work in a libtard infested workplace, and most are as happy as pigs in sh*t over this bill. They (I'm freelance) are all covered by their employer, and don't see that ever changing, so they simply DO NOT CARE.

I'm guessing everyone who supports this piece of cr@p feels the same way- basically "hey, sure, let's give free stuff the to poor, it won't impact me at all."

12
2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. YouÂ’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. ThatÂ’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a personÂ’s health status. (Section 2701).




I almost feel like he was addressing me personally.

13 Its cheap be ause they want employers to drop insurance. Where else will the Kremlin get their backdrop of uninsured clamoring for The One?

14 Real letters to congresspeople struggling with anything under ObamaCare will be deemed racist. Thank you.

15 I almost feel like he was addressing me personally.

Posted by: Blazer at March 22, 2010 03:14 PM (t72+4)

Yeah, maybe the Morons need to take a second look at ObamaCare.  I know it'll make it easier to pursue my career as an artist.

16 Posted by: brad at March 22, 2010 03:11 PM (zTZGo)

Normally I would say you are right, but not in this economy.  A business wouldn't do it arbitrarily but what if they are going under? It would make economic sense to tell employees it's no health care or the doors close. Since the government is going to take care of it, it's unlikely they would bring it back when times got better. Certainly new businesses have no incentive to offer health coverage when the government is going to offer it.

17 $2000?  Pshaw.  That's less than 3 months premiums for my family.  Drop the insurance-pay the fine-pay me the difference, and when lil' Finster breaks his penis on the chicken-go-round, I'll just bop out and buy a policy.

Magic.

18 I like to call it, The Big Swindle.

19

This post is already condemned by the Ministry of Truth.

Cease and Desist

20

Yeah, maybe the Morons need to take a second look at ObamaCare.  I know it'll make it easier to pursue my career as an artist.

Posted by: FUBAR

Hey FUBER, Art This.

_{In a loving moronette kinda way.}

21 Ah crap: FUBAR.

22 Not sure if it was covered over in the link, but there will also be more of this:

http://tiny.cc/mv4sa

23 Free-clinic care at Mayo Clinic prices, paid for by people dumb enough to work for a living.  What's not to love?

24

Don't forget, the IRS will be making sure you buy the "right" kind of coverage and check up on you from time to time to see that you've maintained it, or else pay another fine or penalty for failure to comply.

Anyone remember that link to a .gov website showing the IRS putting in a requisition to purchase several thousand shotguns?  I believe they wanted the Remington 870 police model.

25 5

"the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor"

Or, as we call it at AoSHQ, "Sunday Brunch."

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 03:11 PM (XiVKO)

With bacon, it's dinner!

26

You arent able to handle the Truth, step away from the Keyboard

We will tell you when you are fit enough to drink ValuRite

Comrade, It is time for the 30 minutes of treadmill to produce your alloted .078 kwh of power. Power Up for the Exhaulted One.

27

O/T:  Check out where Bought Schtupp-ak and his demoncrat buddies went after the vite (via Weasel Zippers)

http://tinyurl.com/yb6bhdg

 

 

28 You think 3 grand might be the tipping point?  How about 20 grand.  Let's say you have an employee with a wife young enough to get pregnant and two teenage daughters old enough to get pregnant.  Add the fact that now the daughters will be insured until they are 27 with full maternity benefits.  With a low deductible and co-pay a few years down the line you could be looking at 30 grand for that policy.  Now let's say your a compassionate employer.  What are you going to do when your competitors kick their employees out of their plan?  This precisely the goal of Obamacare, to kick the public into the government plan.  Bastards.

29 Anybody got the number of a good militia? With health coverage?

30 no is the time for activist judges to step up !

31 Ah, the promise of good ol' Central Planning.

32 ValueRite will now be taxed to make the price more equal to other alcohol swill, and to pay for liver transplants. And you will like it.

33 Hey FUBER, Art This.

_{In a loving moronette kinda way.}

Posted by: mpfs at March 22, 2010 03:19 PM (iYbLN)

I can art that, honey.  I'm already a master Vajazzler.

34 You know you're living under a Communist regime when it takes 18,000 Gestapo agents to "enforce" health care.

35 Just remember.  Except for the fucking added taxes for this POS, benefits don't start until 2014.

36 Let's say you have an employee with a wife young enough to get pregnant and two teenage daughters old enough to get pregnant.  Add the fact that now the daughters will be insured until they are 27 with full maternity benefits.

Looks like I'm firing all the women under 45 and all the men with daughters.

37

I'm already a master Vajazzler.

Not fair on a Monday.

Simply not fair.

38 Damn, why didn't we think to include free coverage for burns caused by tarring and feathering?

39 I can't wait to see the paper work associated with this crap?

40

23 Ah crap: FUBAR

I liked it the other way, made me think of goober.

41 This precisely the goal of Obamacare, to kick the public into the government plan.

What government plan?  I thought the lefties were crying in their organic free-trade vegan soy lattes because there wasn't a government plant?

42 Bookmarked so I can read at home with a bottle glass of wine.

43

"even if the penalty is cheaper than the coverage? "

Small companies will be dropping people like flies.  A commenter was discussing two friends that plan to drop all their employees.  Pay the fine.  Give every EE $1000 to cover normal Dr visits.  If someone subsequently needs the insurance, they'll pick it up.  IIRC, they'll save approx $500,000.

And if a lot of companies do that, what happens to the insurance pools?  Premiums sky rocket.  The Dims have really dug themselves a hole on this one.

44 Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, confirmed Monday that he shouted "baby killer" during the House debate on the healthcare bill Sunday night as Rep. Bart Stupak explained his support for the bill.

I need to donate to his campaign.

45 5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesnÂ’t allow your employersÂ’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714). 26 year old *children*? 18 years old is an adult.

46

Yeah, maybe the Morons need to take a second look at ObamaCare.  I know it'll make it easier to pursue my career as an artist.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 22, 2010 03:16 PM (1fanL)

Is being a drag queen who does Cher impressions really art?

47 Penalizing employers for hiring workers.  That's the  kind of bass ackwards nonsense only a democrat could think of. 

48
Peelosi said she did it for the children. Well, some of the chuldren. Not your or my children. And not our children's children.

Actually, Pelosi did it to the children.

_{She's a ♫ Cold Hard Bitch ♫}

49 I'm curious to see what my company will do, most of the employees live in NH but a few of us are Massholes (self included) and every year we seem to have to change plans because of the constantly increasing requirements of Masscare.

Hm, did I say curious? I guess maybe skiddish might be more appropriate...

50 46 he already apologized, which kind of ruined it for me.

51 26 year old *children*?

18 years old is an adult.

Since they want to be treated like children why don't we take away their right to vote. 33% of the democrats base would then be gone.

52 The answer is never, ever less government, even when government is the problem.

Government, as the embodiment of temporal power, is the end, not the means.

53 You can still Barack in America, Oh yeah Oh right!

54

43  What government plan?

Didn't Reid announce he has single payer in the senate on deck circle?

55

Private gold plated healthcare for me, government plan for thee

56 As a self-employed moron who has bought health insurance independently for ~17 years, paying the fine is an easy call.  The maximum fine is 2% of AGI.  As soon as the pre-existing conditions "stop out" goes into effect I will drop my families coverage and pay the fine.  If we need medical treatment I will buy insurance on the spot - we can't be denied or charged more than someone with no pre-existing condition. 

This absurd farce is sickening, but I'd rather use money to fortify my bomb shelter with Val-U-Rite and Hobo Lye™ than throw it away on a monthly premium.  The key is to find the health insurers that backed these clowns with campaign contributions and make sure they get your business after you've already been diagnosed.

57
Why the Stimulus isn't working:

Great video.  The death of Keynesian economics?  Stick a fork in it.

http://tinyurl.com/yf9whdk

58 I'm curious to see what my company will do, most of the employees live in NH but a few of us are Massholes (self included) and every year we seem to have to change plans because of the constantly increasing requirements of Massacare.



FIFY

59 "31 Anybody got the number of a good militia? With health coverage?

Posted by: 48%er at March 22, 2010 03:22 PM (gxpfq)"

I know you think that is funny but it isn't far from he truth.  "honey, I had to join the militia, they had the best benefits in their group health plan for the least cost and the costs and coverage are going to stay that way, the insurance company CEO belongs to the group plan too."

60

Is being a drag queen who does Cher impressions really art?

Posted by: Rocks at March 22, 2010 03:29 PM (Q1lie)

You're obviously not a patron of the fine arts, SIR!  Unfortunately, nobody else is either.  Which is why ObamaCare is going to work out good for me while I try to educate you rubes on what good art is.

61 After that, get insurance the way I did, the college offered a group program that was relatively inexpensive. But, I guess those plans are probably gone to. Oh well, sorry kids, elections have consequences.

My daughter has coverage through her college.

62 Amish, Catholics (that actually believe in no abortions) Christian Scientists

Do they not have a case against insurance reform?

63
It's the first brick in the road to socialism - the road to single payer.

The government breaks it, makes you pay for it, and then ups the ante.

64 Oh, you bet employers are going to drop health benefits.  Pay the fine!  It's cheaper!

I'm all but expecting it here at my job (approx. 25 employees).

Why wouldn't they?  Employers won't have to offer medical coverage any more.  They're not hanging their employees out to dry; there's government-provided health care for all now!

And this is how private insurance will disappear.  Obama said we can keep the plan we have now.  But if/when employers take our benefits away, well, that's not Obama's fault, right?

65 9

And let's not forget the fiscal crater this thing will leave.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 03:13 PM (B+qrE)

don't blame me.

66 Ah, the promise of good ol' Central Planning.

Posted by: nickless at March 22, 2010 03:24 PM (MMC8r)

In Soviet America, Healthcare uses you!

67 Penalizing employers for hiring workers.  That's the  kind of bass ackwards nonsense only a democrat could think of.

Obama said he'd focus on jobs.  Maybe someone should have asked him to be more specific.

68 You're obviously not a patron of the fine arts, SIR! Unfortunately, nobody else is either. Which is why ObamaCare is going to work out good for me while I try to educate you rubes on what good art is. Oh God, please tell me that your "art" doesn't involve chocolate.

69

Dennis Miller said today... that if you are a business that has to let people go because of this bill... check out the Obama stickers in teh parking lot first.

 

Then tell the Obama voter you are laying off... "well .. here is some change you can believe in"

70 Gahh! Sockoff.

71 How to create jobs, via a democrat

1) Require all employers to either pay for insurance they can't afford and so won't hire any new workers
2)
3)Jobs

72
What government plan?  I thought the lefties were crying in their organic free-trade vegan soy lattes because there wasn't a government plant?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 03:27 PM (mR7mk)

The thing is, its a long term plan to force insurance companies out of business and then once again big government will come to everyones rescue with a public govt option. Louise Slaughter basically said exactly just that, right after the vote last night, saying the war on insurance companies has just begun. Yesterday was just about getting the camel's head in the tent so to speak.

73 "If it stays at $750, isn't every employer simply going to drop health coverage, pay the per capita fine and pocket the difference? " Oh, well worth the paperwork hassle. If I keep insurance and some employee with a big family or a stay at home wife opts for a subsidy because of lower FAMILY income I pay a 3000 dollar penalty, not 750. The IRS will let me know how much the family members make. Then I can plan ahead...to fire the employee. Maybe employees shouldn't get married. That could screw things up for them. Oh, anyway, those employees that are low income might be able to qualify for a crap subisidized plan that is expensive to use. If you are one of my middle income employees, and I opted for the 750-a-head-fine, well you are on your OWN to find your mandated insurance. I'm sure you could probably pay a fee not to have any insurance at all. But if you do buy a plan, it can't be too good, and it can't cover just some things, or you still have to pay a fine, or an excise tax. And you will buy it with POST TAX dollars. You don't get any tax break, like employers get now for shelling our for insurance. I could have paid you the fine, or increased your income with the money I have to give to the government instead. You could have fluffed out an MSA nicely with that 3000 fine I paid before I fired you. That 750 fine won't blow your way either. Heck, why don't I just fire everyone, this is more trouble than its worth.

74

Don't forget to post the number here for the rest of the moron family.

62 "31 Anybody got the number of a good militia? With health coverage?

Posted by: 48%er at March 22, 2010 03:22 PM (gxpfq)"

I know you think that is funny but it isn't far from he truth.  "honey, I had to join the militia, they had the best benefits in their group health plan for the least cost and the costs and coverage are going to stay that way, the insurance company CEO belongs to the group plan too."

75 "53 26 year old *children*?

18 years old is an adult.

Since they want to be treated like children why don't we take away their right to vote. 33% of the democrats base would then be gone.

Posted by: taylork at March 22, 2010 03:30 PM (0Hn5w)"

A new law also went into effect whereby parents are responsible for their debts also up until age 23.  Oddly enough, the credit card companies could not wait to hand out credit cards during the first week at a brand new college for the brand new freshman.   I've heard that now the parents have to co sign for their freshman to get a credit card.

76 Don't blame me, I voted for the Grumpy Old Man.

77

Awww, poor Baron Hill: "I feel like I am walking the plank. In the short term, it's going to cost me".

Ya'think asswipe?

78 "the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor"

OK....Who turned me in???

79 "If it stays at $750, isn't every employer simply going to drop health coverage, pay the per capita fine and pocket the difference? "

Or the workers get together and unionize, demanding health care...only to realize that with 10% unemployment they can easily be replaced.

80 Gibbs says WH Counsel's office advises: "we'll win these lawsuits." WH will defend on Commerce Clause.

81 Obama said it will give us more freedom and choice are you guys suggesting the JUGEARS is a liar??

82 Lemon, good video, check out the url I put upthread.  Gallup has underemployment at an all-time high, 20%

83
"the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor"

OK....Who turned me in???

Posted by: Dell at March 22, 2010 03:38 PM (DeTAa)

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure he was talking about me. He'll be getting a visit from the SS very soon.

84 I know you think that is funny but it isn't far from he truth.  "honey, I had to join the militia, they had the best benefits in their group health plan for the least cost and the costs and coverage are going to stay that way, the insurance company CEO belongs to the group plan too."

Really? This is an option?

I'm totally down with this.

Can the Yahoo Group turn into a Milita? Can we get better insurance rates?

Inquiring minds want to know.

85

Posted by: The Boberator at March 22, 2010 03:35 PM (RD7QR)

73 Gahh! Sockoff.

Posted by: joncelli at March 22, 2010 03:35 PM (RD7QR)

I find what some morons will stick their hands into highly disturbing...

86 So what exactly is in Obamacare? Now that it has been passed, weren't they going to tell us. And does this sound Kafkaesque?

87 Awww, poor Baron Hill: "I feel like I am walking the plank. In the short term, it's going to cost me".

He could vote for the repeal. 

Yeah, I know.

88 Jimmy Carter is the happiest man in the world right about now.

89 82 "the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor"

OK....Who turned me in on???

Posted by: Dell at March 22, 2010 03:38 PM (DeTAa)

I did! I did!

90 >>Then tell the Obama voter you are laying off... "well .. here is some change you can believe in"<< I love me some Dennis Miller. This is the guy who called Harry Reid "a whining cadaver." nice work.

91 Louise Slaughter...camel's head

Posted by: Blazer at March 22, 2010 03:35 PM (t72+4)

I see what you did there

92

92 Silly me for not giving the full quote. He then went on to say that he wasn't sure if the public would understand the benefit this bill truly brings to them.

So don't hold out hope, H-Rad!

93

EC

Can't remember if it was Remington, but I do remember it was a 14" pump they were looking for.  Highly regulated and very effective in CQB situations inside wooden residences.

94 The young people that voted for Obama totally deserve this shit. The rest, not so much. The only way I got ahead when I was young was by staying healthy and putting what I would have otherwise spent on insurance in to an account that eventually became the house I bought. I am sorry for the youngsters that did not vote for Obama, but the rest have complete shit for brains. May the chains of servitude hang heavy around their worthy necks.

95 I don't recall whether it's in the Senate bill or the fix - employers will be required to have insurance for temps.  Another family income killer.

96

Benedit Stupak's fax number in DC is 202-225-4744. I've been trying to send him a love letter all day, sooo surprised it's been busy.

Last line of my letter. Good luck when you're facing your Creator, He really doesn't appreciate lying scumbags who faciliate the killing of children.

Just sayin'

 

97

And yeah, will everyone agree with me that a 26 year old (or until the 27th birthday, is how I have seen the parameter set) is not, not, not a fricking "child", and covered under parent's insurance?

Throughout history, that has been considered an adult well into adulthood.

Except for young progs, maybe.

 

98 96 Louise Slaughter...camel's head

Posted by: Blazer at March 22, 2010 03:35 PM (t72+4)

I see what you did there

Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 22, 2010 03:41 PM (erIg9)

Megan Fox...camel toe - see what I did there?

99 And yeah, will everyone agree with me that a 26 year old (or until the 27th birthday, is how I have seen the parameter set) is not, not, not a fricking "child",

Shit, in some of your ACORN neighborhoods the 27-yos are grandmothers.

100

You know I was going to write a several paragraph post on the impact on Obamacare on companies and the $750 fine.

But really, at this point, I just want to say I loath Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats. As far as I'm concerned this Congress and Administration operate as a criminal enterprise and not as duly elected representatives of the people.

101 Oh God, please tell me that your "art" doesn't involve chocolate.


If it involves painting things red.....well, I'm not there yet, but I'm sure getting sympathetic.

102

"Good luck when you're facing your Creator, He really doesn't appreciate lying scumbags who faciliate the killing of children."

Be more tactful.  Show concern.  It'll be more effective that way.

103

"Last line of my letter. Good luck when you're facing your Creator, He really doesn't appreciate lying scumbags who faciliate the killing of children.

Just sayin'

 

Posted by: BIG ROB at March 22, 2010 03:43 PM (K2iC2)"

Does any anyone know which order of nuns went against the Pope, the church hierarchy and the Bishops? 

104 Back from beach, HOPE my work IP is not banned too?  We'll see in just a click.  Do I have the record for banning?  Twice at home and once at the beach?

I swear I don't even know that asshole from Denver.

105
Shit, in some of your ACORN neighborhoods the 27-yos are grandmothers.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 03:45 PM (mR7mk)

Speaking of, I saw a link on another blog yesterday that one of the things that flew under the radar last week because of the deathcare debacle, was Ogabe fully refunding ACORN through an EO.

106

One of you HR types can correct me, but don't all companies have to have insurance for all full time employees under federal law?

This penalty it seems would be on top of that, or does Shitcare amend that law?

107 I wish we had a Bastille to storm.

108 It gets even worse.

Say you want to hire someone at $42,000 per year.  Pretty nice salary for say a clerk's job, huh?  And you are paying that person higher than 400% above poverty level, so they won't be getting subsidies.  Accck!  Wrong!

That person has 3 kids at home.. making her 400% poverty level $88k.. and has no hubby to contribute.

So guess what, employer?  You will have to pay a fine of $3000 because your well-paid worker is getting a subsidy.

And come to think of it.. where is the motivation to get married at all anymore??  Get married and lose your wonderful subsidies!

109 Fuck you Kemp, I get more than banned.

110


gahhh, sock/off

111 “Voters Are Furious Â… A Year of Bitter Haggling and Legislative Maneuvering.” “The initial blush of President Barack Obama's health care triumph immediately gives way to a sober political realityÂ… Voters are furious. They hate Washington. [...] A year of bitter haggling and legislative maneuvering may feed into the argument — successfully stoked by Republicans — that Democrats have failed to fix Washington.  That's the reason some Democrats now worry about losing control of Congress.” (Associated Press, 3/22/10)

112 FYI, he is signing the bill tuesday 3/23 at 11:15 pm

I have a nutty friend who says they "pick their numbers carefully to make sure they are good numbers so the legislation does well".....I know, I know, she's a little nutty but she insists some presidents were psychic and others consulted psychics so we humor her....

113 It's all Bush's fault...Oh, and talk radio.

114

Tactful? You're kidding right?

I did spell facilitate correctly in the letter though. Hopefully I'll get good marks for grammar

115

Dennis Miller said today... that if you are a business that has to let people go because of this bill... check out the Obama stickers in teh parking lot first.

Then tell the Obama voter you are laying off... "well .. here is some change you can believe in"

I can report on a fed-up business owner in my area who is doing just that.  Guess who the slackers and moochers are at his business?  The Obama-worshipers.
Clueless idiots.

Lemon, good video, check out the url I put upthread.  Gallup has underemployment at an all-time high, 20%

Stimulus.  We must need more!

116

So, now that the bill is passed the public is finally going to get to find out what is in it? Will the MSM bother?

Anyway, I'd like to see more articles where what is in the bill is laid out factually like this. I made it through about 200 pages and those 200 pages were pretty damn scary.

117 If they want to still classify them as children than no drinking or voting until they are over 26. What about if that child who is 26 has a child. This is not going to be good and I believe it will be changed before it gets to the 4 years out when it is all suppose to start.

118

But really, at this point, I just want to say I loath Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats. As far as I'm concerned this Congress and Administration operate as a criminal enterprise and not as duly elected representatives of the people.

 

 

 

See how easy that was.  Succinct and to the point.  (And true!)

119 One of you HR types can correct me, but don't all companies have to have insurance for all full time employees under federal law?

No.  Absolutely not.  But employee benefits like medical insurance get favorable tax treatment because they are purchased with pretax dollars.  If the employee bought his own medical insurance, he would pay with after-tax dollars.  Therefore, the employer can provide a form of compensation that has a higher value to the employee (compared to the cost of self-paid medical insurance) than it costs the employer.

120

Say a loud and hearty thank you to anyone at all you see in the few days that has the Obama sticker.

It will make the supermarket parking lot, the school runs and traffic jams a lot more interesting than usual.

121 It's cheaper than paying for their insurance, I can tell you right now.  My employees are covered by the company.  $750 is less than one months premiums.  Shall we call this what it is...extortion.

Posted by: mcnorman at March 22, 2010 03:11 PM (59hIt)

If you mention extortion again....I'll have your legs broken.

122 121

So, now that the bill is passed the public is finally going to get to find out what is in it? Will the MSM bother?

Anyway, I'd like to see more articles where what is in the bill is laid out factually like this. I made it through about 200 pages and those 200 pages were pretty damn scary.

Sorry.

MSM is only interested in worshiping and glorifying Teh Won.

123 "House Democrats voted 219-212 late Sunday to send the landmark legislation to Obama. The 10-year, $938 billion bill would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, reduce deficits and ban insurance company practices such as charging more to women and denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions."

I am so glad the AP got the talking points memo.  Can you believe that paragraph appears in a "news" article?  That's not a quote from a politician, that's the article's writer describing the bill. Sofa King bizzaro, this world we find ourselves in.

124

Almost 4 p.m. est and no ace. I guess the Valu-Rite hangover hasn't fully worn off yet.

125 Say a loud and hearty thank you to anyone at all you see in the few days that has the Obama sticker.

I have been thanking those assholes for over a year.

126 Chi-Town Jerry--You know, your numbers work the same for a guy married to a  SAHM (actually, with five in the household, he'd get a bigger subsidy, so bigger penalty for you).  I think they're going to end up harder hit than single mothers, especially with the assorted federal incentives for gov't contractors for hiring women and minorities.

127 Remember when we used to hang traitors?  Good times...good times....

128 "But the Baby Killer Furor highlights a far more serious, long-term political dilemma for the Republicans: how to appear to be a respectable Party capable of governing while also providing political shelter for the highly motivated, though vocally disruptive, protest wing of the party associated with the Tea Party movement."

Correction. Baby Killer Führer.

129

IMO the only thing that has to be considered is who will be managing the cluster flop - the same people who have created the mess that required that something like this be aborted and then used to solve the insolvency created by medicare, social security, medicade, Fanie Mae, Freddy Mac, the Post Office, the Dept of Education, the Dept of the Interior, etc., etc.

They absolutely had to implement this or some capitalist solution or the system would have imploded. 

Any capitalist solution would have been unpalatable because it would have meant dismantling programs that allow them to disguise their graft and corruption.  Must'nt have that.

130 and ban insurance company practices such as charging more to women

That's so fucking illiterate I can't stand it.  Women get charged more because they use more because they have babies.

131

 I wish we had a Bastille to storm.

 

We do.  Think about it.

132

#98, yeah, and until they make it to the house, it's as useful as a water pistol. Sawed-offs are for breaching loads and bank jobs, not real gunfights.

Until the sawed-off shotgun carrier makes it to my door, it's a Garand world, baby.

133
I am so glad the AP got the talking points memo.  Can you believe that paragraph appears in a "news" article?  That's not a quote from a politician, that's the article's writer describing the bill. Sofa King bizzaro, this world we find ourselves in.

Posted by: The Hammer at March 22, 2010 03:52 PM (YBTwf)

The AP and just about every news organization  I have seen today are practically clamoring over each other for a turn under Obama's desk. However, it was totally expected. We knew they were going to do the happy dance today.

134
If you like your shit sandwich, you can KEEP your shit sandwich.

135

Paul Krugman, official cheerleader of tired, infective, dated, old Keynesian economics/and mouthpiece to the Obama administration -  says that the reason we hate HCR so much  is that everyone is a racist.

Give this man a Nobel Prize!  He cracked the code!

136

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,.... in a cage as a pet if you'd like.

137 This tax on medical device manufacturers seems fair though.  Bastards  got rich keeping old, useless people alive and colluding with doctors to steal feet.

138 Bookmarked so I can read at home with a gallon of airline fuel a glass of wine.

139 112 I wish we had a Bastille to storm.

Posted by: Cicero at March 22, 2010 03:48 PM (QKKT0)

Will 1600 Penn. Ave. do?

140 56 You can still Barack in America, Oh yeah Oh right!

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2010 03:31 PM (GwPRU)

You dare corrupt the Night Ranger?  Sacrilege!

141 138 The AP and just about every news organization  I have seen today are practically clamoring over each other for a turn under Obama's desk. However, it was totally expected. We knew they were going to do the happy dance today.


Not all of them, Blazer:
http://tinyurl.com/yjqyo4w

These several articles reveal worries that the voters may throw out the Dems in November. Afterall, Obama is going on a tour to sell this bill to the American people. Not good. Also, flip 3 votes from last night, & he would've lost.

142

The 10-year, $938 billion bill would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, reduce deficits

One of these things is not like the other, one of them just doesn't belong...

Yes, please someone explain to me how something that costs a, let's face it extremely optimistic $938 billion dollars and covers 32 million formerly uninsured people can reduce deficits. Is there some math concept that I missed in school whereby the more money you spend the less money you owe?

143

That 2 billion based on percent of devices sold, if accurate, is like something straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

Can that be true? How can you know how many devices are to be sold? If all your competitors suddenly suck it you might get saddled with that? And WTF is a 'medical device'? You saying the makers of tongue depressors might have to pay a billion dollars because, in absolute terms, tongue depressors make up half of all medical devices (like defibrillators and MRI machines)?

144

A 10 year bill?  How many of these congresscritters will kick off before 10 years is up?

Hopefully most of them.

145 132
Remember when we used to hang traitors?  Good times...good times....
Posted by: IN 8th resident at March 22, 2010 03:54 PM (tcMQZ)

Wait, you're a resident of the Bloody Eighth? Hell, what better place to revive old traditions?

146 says that the reason we hate HCR so much  is that everyone is a racist.

I was reading somewhere else, and a commenter informed us that "freedom" and "liberty" are racist code words that we're using because we hate black people.

Someone tell Frederick Douglass, I'd love to see the look on his face.

147
128 - the hammer

[AP - White House talking point]
"House Democrats voted 219-212 late Sunday to send the landmark legislation to Obama. The 10-year, $938 billion bill would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, reduce deficits and ban insurance company practices such as charging more to women and denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions."

Who could disagree with that?  You'd have to be heartless!
Where are the unicorns?

148

I keep hoping that da yoot are gonna revolt against this.  If the eeevil Republicans could peel away 10-20% of da yoot vote, it'd be tricky for the Dems to get elected.

They dealt with that by letting them mooch off mom and dad's policy until 26.

149 Who could disagree with that?  You'd have to be heartless!
Where are the unicorns?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 04:02 PM (0fzsA)

dunno about yours, but mine's busy shitting skittles like a good little slave.

150 How many of these congresscritters will kick off before 10 years is up?

Hopefully most of them.

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2010 04:01 PM (GwPRU)

You might be surprised.

151

135 And quite possibly because they sit on WebMd all day and diagnose every slight fucking headache as a brain tumor.

/hypochondriacs

152 That's so fucking illiterate I can't stand it.  Women get charged more because they use more because they have babies.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 03:55 PM (mR7mk)

Ever hear of social justice? Women will no longer need to use the system more. Make it so.

153 and covers 32 million formerly uninsured people

And, call me a bitch, but I just don't see the drugged-out serial breeder who couldn't be bothered to get her kids onto S-CHIP for free because it was too much work and the ER was easy suddenly deciding to submit all the monthly forms to get a portion of the kids' insurance subsidized. 

154

They dealt with that by letting them mooch off mom and dad's policy until 26.

 

So, is there a law that says a parent has to let his useless 26 year old offspring mooch off his policy?

155 Do RICO statutes apply to congress, or is that something else they've exempted themselves from?

156

Something to ponder on...

On 9/11/2001, this nation was attacked by Islamic terrorists.  Their goal was, and still is, to destroy America.  Osama Bin Laden was obsessed with bring down the Twin Towers - America's symbol of financial and economic prominence. Bin Laden sought to cripple America's economy with the destruction of the World Trade Center. 

Seven years later, the United States elected a man named Hussein who was raised as a Muslin in a Muslim country.  Now, this Muslim is going to finish the job from the inside.  How could Americans be so blind?  What would any of you said on 9/12/2001 if someone told you that 7 years later we would have a President named Barack Hussein?  I dare say there would have been laughs at best and beat downs at worse.  Simply amazing to contemplate...

By the way, has Barack Hussein selected a Church yet?

157 That tax on drug companies and device makers is going to be difficult to plan for ... the corrected values of sales used to calculate your fee is going to take months to figure out. So it will hit 2yrs from the date of the sale. They are going to have to carry a vague estimate of the fee proceeds from each sale forward until resolved. If you looking at a 300M fee; that could look like a nice golden parachute to loot in an M&A. Split the IP, cash, and future revenue into one company; leave the product "sale" and fee responsibility into another. Appoint a skeleton crew to declare bankruptcy when the Feds come looking for their "fee". Flee.

158
I was reading somewhere else, and a commenter informed us that "freedom" and "liberty" are racist code words that we're using because we hate black people.

Someone tell Frederick Douglass, I'd love to see the look on his face.

Leave it to  a liberal/progressive/leftwing brain to vilify the words "Liberty and Freedom". How far down the sewer pipe of anti-reason can they dig?

159 If you read the description of the bill on Yahoo's front page, you'd wonder what all the fuss is about. The unicorns practically fly off of the page. The comments are interesting, though, and it gives me hope that people are finally paying attention.

160 Krugman says that the reason we hate HCR so much  is that everyone is a racist.

So why do we hate Krugman so much?

161 153 They dealt with that by letting them mooch off mom and dad's policy until 26.

Ah, but they underestimated how much students rely on private loans & how much we 20-somethings hate paying taxes.

162 Paul Krugman, official cheerleader of tired, infective, dated, old Keynesian economics/and mouthpiece to the Obama administration -  says that the reason we hate HCR so much  is that everyone is a racist.

Give this man a Nobel Prize!  He cracked the code!

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 03:58 PM (0fzsA)






Of course, the meme and marching orders now are, any dissent over the bill are just evil rich white people who want to see poor minority babies die. The Richmond Grimes Disgrace rather than get the opinion of the average man on the street decided to get the opinion of the rep. of the local NAACP chapter who said that any dissent over the bill was "racism" and a "blacklash"

163

The 10-year¹, $938 billion bill would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans², reduce deficits³ and ban insurance company practices such as charging more to women⁴ and denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions.

1.  Lie.

2.  Lie.

3.  Lie.

4.  Actually true--EVERYONE WILL NOW PAY HIGHER RATES.

164

crap, the sock puppets are kicking my ass today

165

I  don't see the penalty making much difference, at least for existing employers.  They already provided insurance when it was voluntary, so why would they drop it now that there's a penalty

Gosh, let me see, maybe because the asshat's in congress just added a boatload of new taxes and fees so that health care costs per empoloyee aren't just going to go up a little bit, but are going to skyrocket?  Their average cost for insuring and employee pre Obamacare might have been say 2 grand, odds are good thanks to all the overhead, waste and abuse Obamacare adds to the system by design that will likely come close to doubling, if not tripling.

So why would any company keep health care benefits when it's so much cheaper to just offload them to the taxpayer?  Short answer, they wouldn't.  Which is exactly the effect this bill tries to produce.

They want single payer, and this bill is designed from the ground up to bankrupt the others, create a new "crisis" so they can fix it with.. guess what, single payer government run health insurance. 

Welcome to a brave new world.  Or as grandpappy would say, were he still alive to see perhaps the saddest day in our recorded history of a nation, "pass the ammunition boy.  We'd best be preparing for a long, hard winter."

166 I ran some rough numbers for the Post Office (which I work for) today.  The PO pays over $6,000 for me with a single coverage, middle of the road BCBS plan.  Even if they pay a $3000 fine to drop my coverage, they're doing much better.  Most people have family coverage, so let's say They spend $10K per, times 500K employees.  There are somewhat more than that, but just for easy math.  There's $3.5 bln of savings if they drop us and pay the fine.  That almost covers our losses per year.  Contract with the unions?  bah.  The current contract runs out next year, then they'll do whatever the hell they want.

167 165 Krugman says that the reason we hate HCR so much  is that everyone is a racist.

So why do we hate Krugman so much?     We are also anti-semites.
 

168
Get Rid of Nancy Pelosi money bomb.
http://tinyurl.com/ydkq4du
I'm in for 40$ 

Pass it on....

169 any dissent over the bill are just evil rich white people who want to see poor minority babies die.

...as compared to the evil rich white and black and Hispanic people who voted last night to devote federal funds to killing poor minority babies.

170 Jeb Bush on Cavuto now.

171 I live in Pelosi's district. You can throw as many money bombs as you want, but, trust me, the only way she gets removed from office is the same damn way she got in. We need conservatives to move in to her district, buy property, get involved and throw her out. Besides, I could use some company.

172 Jindal has just released a statement against Hell Care, too. Wonder if he's joining us (TX) in our lawsuit.

173 Rather than pay a fine why not just fire a bunch of employees?

174 the only way she gets removed from office is the same damn way she got in.

They're going to remove her as Speaker, not from Congress entirely.  Small, achievable goals.

175
Wonder if he's joining us (TX) in our lawsuit.

The chron is absolutely silent about the suit.  Imagine that.

176 I think we need a Kitteh break

177 La. was part of the original 38 already.

178 Frederick Douglass? I don't know who that is, but he's probably some old bitter clinger white guy.

179

BTW:

Anyone know if Ace plans on keeping our health plan in place?

[Our obvious placesetter of the day.  Indulge yourselves.]

 

180
I live in Pelosi's district. You can throw as many money bombs as you want, but, trust me, the only way she gets removed from office is the same damn way she got in. We need conservatives to move in to her district, buy property, get involved and throw her out.

Besides, I could use some company.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 22, 2010 04:13 PM (NvDv2)

Trust me, socialism works right up until you run out of other peoples money. The American socialist experiment has the advantage of kicking off at a really bad time. Now I know that most denizens of the Bay Area are stuck on stupid, but even the most hardcore bolshevik still loves their cold hard cash and will vote this twit out, when it all starts drying up.

Or not,.... they are pretty f'cking stupid after all.

181 Paul Krugman, official cheerleader of tired, infective, dated, old Keynesian economics/and mouthpiece to the Obama administration -  says that the reason we hate HCR so much  is that everyone is a racist.

And he did so by misquoting Newt Gingrich circa 1994.  At least the NYT pointed it out.

182 Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 04:07 PM (0fzsA) Have you ever noticed - Obama never uses the word "liberty." Can't even bring himself to say it.

183 Florida's general suit is being backed/joined by: 

Attorneys General in Nebraska, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, South Dakota and Washington state all plan to take part in the lawsuit.

184 That's so fucking illiterate I can't stand it.  Women get charged more because they use more because they have babies.
Posted by: HeatherRadish

There you go being all logical and everything...  Don't you know birthin' and abortin' babies is a matter of reproductive rights for women???  And Women shouldn't be penalized???

(and hey.. I just noticed penalized is likely derived from the word penis! Ha!  No wonder women are always getting the short end of the staff.. er.. so to speak!)

185 6 I don't see the penalty making much difference, at least for existing employers.  They already provided insurance when it was voluntary, so why would they drop it now that there's a penalty - even if the penalty is cheaper than the coverage?

Hypothetically I run a small  bank.  I have 101 employees.  My healthcare coverage for those 101 costs 500 a month.  That is a total of $50,500x12 or $606,000  My industry is tanking.  5 banks in the state have been taken over, 70% of the rest are under MOU's, so they have to shrink their balance sheet- thus laying off loan officers and their support staff.   I'm one of the remaining 30% that actual eeked out a small profit last year, but that is dwindling quickly as defaults rise. 

If I dump my employee coverage, I pay a penalty of $75,750.   

$606,000-75,750=$530,250.  I save over a half a million dollars if I dump my employees.   Straight to my bottom line.    Furthermore, my staff would be lucky to find employment anywhere in the industry right now.  Or probably anytime in the future.  They ain't going no where.

Sign 'em up on universal healthcare.  They deserve the best.  That's what they voted for.

Obviously, if the penalty is rendered per month, forget what I just said, unless I pay more than 750 per month per employee. Then its back to the cost savings analysis.

186 181 I think we need a Kitteh break

Awwww...

THANK YOU!!!

187

Have you ever noticed - Obama never uses the word "liberty." Can't even bring himself to say it.

Also missing:

Victory

Freedom

I.  Was.  Wrong.  (In sequence)

 

188

Until the sawed-off shotgun carrier makes it to my door, it's a Garand world, baby.


My M1A agrees.

But once inside, I know which walls not to shoot through, so the AR15 M4 clone will do just fine on Kevlar.

189 Anyone know if Ace plans on keeping our health plan in place? I thought the moron health plan consisted of applications of Valu-Rite to all internal and external problems?

190 Ugh I remembered why I like Jeb Bush so much....

191

"Even at 2 or 3 thousand dollars per employee it might be worth it for some companies to dump health care coverage."

 I had a conversation a couple of days ago with the president of a company that I'm doing contract work for. We discussed health care costs and he speculates that he is paying roughly $8,000 per employee.

 He said he would definitely consider dumping health insurance and paying the penalty if ObamaCare became a reality.

 The funny thing is that this morning I saw two African-American employees of this man's company getting on an elevator and talking about how excited they were that ObamaCare passed. They're about to get one hell of a lesson in unintended consequences.   

192
AG to join challenge to federal health care billPennsylvania Attorney General Tom Corbett is planning to join a legal challenge to federal health care reform legislation.

Corbett's office said Monday he is working with counterparts in at least 10 other states on a strategy to challenge the constitutionality of the bill. It is not clear where the challenge will be filed or what aspect of the bill the suit will challenge.

In addition, Republican state Sen. Mike Folmer says he plans to introduce a bill to prevent Pennsylvanians from being charged a fine if they don't get health insurance.

193 Ugh Cavuto has some smiling jack ass named Van Hollen (D - Maryland) grinning like an idiot, bleating the democratic talking points....

Monica was making fun of Ms. Nan's laugh....she will have a field day this weekend over the "no money changed hands" comment...

OMG this idiot just compared the speculation of the bill to "filling our our brackets on march madness"

194

I'm guessing everyone who supports this piece of cr@p feels the same way- basically "hey, sure, let's give free stuff the to poor, it won't impact me at all."

Right, shibumi. One of the dirty little secrets about this. All the "youth of America" who cheered like crazy the other day when Obama announced they would be covered under their parents plan until they decide they are ready to move out of their parents' house? Basically every government employee? Pretty much anyone in a union? How about anyone in that 40% who pay no taxes?

No skin off their backs, and they get a chance to feel real liberal and holier than thou than the evil conservatives.

195 So I'm thinking, these Dems already know they're going to lose their jobs in November.  Therefore, what do they have to lose by supporting amnesty, cap & trade, etc.?  I think it's time for a bigger stick.

196

"House Democrats voted 219-212 late Sunday to send the landmark legislation to Obama. The 10-year, $938 billion bill would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, reduce deficits and ban insurance company practices such as charging more to women and denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions."

Who could disagree with that?  You'd have to be heartless!
Where are the unicorns?

^{All I know is that after last night's vote, my life was shortened by at least ten years.}

197 re: 190-

Add one more thought.  I'm  a director of said hypothetical bank.  I learn that by dropping staff off our private healthcare and dump them into the state, I could save over a 1/2 million dollars.

I have a fiduciary duty to my shareholders to do so. 

Done and done.

198 Is Cavuto nuts?  He said this smirky van Hollen guy was a great guest.  Sheehs this guy made the school yard bully look like Mother teresa.  And he had that 7th grad girl, I'm popular and your not attitude.  HE basically smugly said "well if the republicans are going to campaign against this they  are going to lose".  Cavuto basically said the American people didn't want the bill and he ignored that..

199  I had a conversation a couple of days ago with the president of a company that I'm doing contract work for. We discussed health care costs and he speculates that he is paying roughly $8,000 per employee.

Our coverage for retirees was capped at $6K/yr. Anything over that we must make up ourselves. Currently I am paying just over $4K/yr to make up the difference.

That is coverage for both myself and my wife.

And BTW, insurance companies have always charged more for women because they used health care services much more frequently than men throughout their life up until the men got old then they both used at about the same rate.

200 "200 So I'm thinking, these Dems already know they're going to lose their jobs in November.  Therefore, what do they have to lose by supporting amnesty, cap & trade, etc.?  I think it's time for a bigger stick.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at March 22, 2010 04:32 PM (fuw6p)"

That could be true but it also may be that ms nan promised that they would keep their jobs and get all the extra goodies.

201 Does anyone have a timeline for when the various crap hits the fan?

202 Is there a clause in the bill that prevents companies from intentionally dropping employee health care in favor of the less expensive penalty?

If not, that's next.

203 Besides, I could use some company.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 22, 2010 04:13 PM (NvDv2)

Damn.  You're more isolated than the French Resistance during WWII.

204 I hope all these sumbeechez smoke a turd in hell over this.

205
Rawmuse -

 Pelosi's seat is totally 100% safe.  She's an uber-prog in an uber-prog district.
BUT - If we gain 40+ seats in the house, she will lose her job as SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

This is the objective!

206

Does anyone have a timeline for when the various crap hits the fan?

 

 

Higher taxes start immediately.  Benefits don't start until 2014.  My anger burns deeply.

207

"Is there a clause in the bill that prevents companies from intentionally dropping employee health care in favor of the less expensive penalty?

If not, that's next."

 The government wants private companies to dump health insurance plans. That way the government can ride to the rescue of those millions of uninsured with a single payer public option.  

208 Something else that hasn't been talked about much is this new policy where "kids" up to age 26 can continue to stay on their parents insurance plan.  How exactly is that going to work?  We haven't heard much about this, but the kid has to be a DEPENDENT of his parent in order to qualify. How many 26 year olds still want to be considered a dependent of their parents?  There are lots of ramifications, legal and otherwise, tied to that.

Plus, the old rule was the kid had to be enrolled in a full time education program if over the age of 18 and under 24. Will this still apply or can ANY kid under 26 be eligible, regardless of whether they're in college or not? And how will this affect businesses because, for instance, my company has tuition benefits for "dependent" children. Does that mean my company will now have to pay those benefits to 26 year old "kids"?

209

How many 26 year olds still want to be considered a dependent of their parents?

 

 

Nowdays?  Most of them. 

210

"Higher taxes start immediately.  Benefits don't start until 2014.  My anger burns deeply."

 It gets better. ObamaCare tax revenues will likely be raided to "strengthen" two other collapsing entitlement schemes; Social Security and Medicare.

 I hope I didn't just give you a coronary.

  

211 When do these employer based rules hit - immediately or in 2014. I am assuming there will be no "benefit".

212 I wish I had those benefits back when I was a child.  Oh wait, when I was 24 I was flying Battle Group Support for the 7th fleet off the Persian Gulf.

213

If a 26 year old is a child then the pRon industry is going to crash and burn.

On the plus side their are a lot of former adults that are going to get a break at buffets, theatres, bus rides, and Disney Land.  

214 If that 26 year works for me - but still lives at home - will his Dad's employer have to pay his healthcare?

215

Republicans in the Senate have to stay together!!!!  They have 41 votes.  They can filibuster.  They MUST filibuster every commie plot from now until next January when hopefully the reinforcements arrive. 

Take the Maine sisters phones off the hook.  No more answering calls from history.

216 177 Jindal has just released a statement against Hell Care, too. Wonder if he's joining us (TX) in our lawsuit.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby, mad as hell & not going to take it anymore at March 22, 2010 04:13 PM (yfJ6g)

Awesome. He's my gov and just an hour ago I was bitching in an email to somebody, wondering where the hell was he?? (I'd still like to know why he thinks it's a "bad bill" since he was pushing for the Louisiana Purchase bribe behind the scenes, but I'll take what I can get...)

Louisiana to File Suit Over Health Care Legislation

BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell says Louisiana will file a lawsuit challenging the national health care legislation passed by Congress Sunday.

Governor Bobby Jindal, who supports the move, said Monday that he believes the national health care bill approved by Congress Sunday is unconstitutional.

"It's a bad bill for Louisiana, a bad bill for America," Jindal said.

"This is a huge overreach," Jindal said during a Monday afternoon news conference.  "I believe it would violate the constitutional rights of our people."

217 I can't get a man ... so I spend all day trolling conservative websites.

218

Glad to hear that some states are not going to take this outrage lying down.  Unfortunately there are some states, like mine, that would sit on the sidelines and watch if all 49 (or 57) other states filed suit. 

Yeah, Illinois (spit)

219 Sally Ann, get back in that room and LIE down and enjoy! I'm getting complaints from the customers that you're removing your mouth from their cocks when you make these statements of yours!

220

"It gets better. ObamaCare tax revenues will likely be raided to "strengthen" two other collapsing entitlement schemes; Social Security and Medicare."

And that govt take-over of student loans.  Wanna bet the interest rates go up too?

221

Oh, America has been fundamentally changed?  I'm old enough to remember the 1980 presidential election.  Carter's worthless presidency was painful, and it took most of the four years to get people ready to kick him out.  But Obama has the majority of the population angry at him now, barely a year into his term.

People are probably afraid to tell pollsters on the phone how they really feel about Obama himself, since the left is so quick to label anybody who doesn't love Obama as a racist.  But the anger about healthcare destruction, the anger about the worthless stimulus programs and the continued high unemployment, the feeling that congress hates our guts and laughs at us, these things are not going to go away. 

The media can only paper over this anger and the lack of jobs for so long.  Homes are being foreclosed, the living is getting tough.  It doesn't matter how high the casino known as the stock market goes, it doesn't have any positive effect on the average person's life. 

 

222 213 I've been looking up this 26 y-o coverage. Looks like the only criteria is the child is not covered under their own employer coverage. No school requirement. I've got my 19 y-o on our policy now--he's a full-time student--but now I can add his 23 y-o brother because he's not covered at his job. It won't cost me more in monthly premiums because we are already considered a family on the rate chart. Regarding if I had a daughter on the policy in the same age bracket and she became pregnant, at least in California, her maternity care is currently covered.

223 "You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

I keep hoping that da yoot are gonna revolt against this.  If the eeevil Republicans could peel away 10-20% of da yoot vote, it'd be tricky for the Dems to get elected."

Not bloody likely - what do you expect from voters who get their news from Jon Stewart?

224 This coverage for children age 27 and younger is a boon for them. The ones I know that have their own coverage have low-cost HMO type plans at less that $100 per month. Not great coverage but something just in case. Now they can drop it and join mom's employer plan--isn't my employer lucky?

225 As soon as the details are known we may close one of our stores...things are so tight now there is nothing left to cut and pay the higher payroll tax matches. Seriously, I may apply for one of the IRS positions...one that carries a shot-gun.

226 If it stays at $750, isn't every employer simply going to drop health coverage, pay the per capita fine and pocket the difference? That might not work in a boom economy where employers are competing for workers but in tight times like these, a job without insurance is better than no job at all.

Hell, yes, that's exactly what employers will do, and who can blame them?  It's a business decision, and businesses exist to - say it with me, Libs - make money.  $750 per employee is a bargain; the employer's portion of group health insurance can run into the thousands.  So - if you're an employee who works for a company that suddenly drops its health insurance plan, guess where you're going to end up?  Well, damn, looks like it's the public option for you.  And there will be a public option.  That's where this whole thing is leading, has been all along.

227 We'll pay for all of this with the peace dividend we'll be getting from the Afghan withdrawal...

228 the Message is the Purpose

REPEAL IT

229 When I was 26 I had health care coverage 100%. It was called sick bay. Other than required physicals and shots I only used it once in 7 years.

230 Ok, let's stop bashing on my generation already... I'm 22, I file as an independent and am currently uninsured... and I'm ready to hang these bastards. Please don't forget that not all of the American youth have been brainwashed into wanting "free" anything from the government. We know it's being paid for with our own money with the government taking a nice cut.

Yes, a lot of people my age ARE borderline communists, but there are also MANY people my age that are this close (index finger and thumb really close together, eyes squinting) to going up in arms against these tyrants.

I shit you not, if you give my generation a catalyst so we know that it really is open season on the traitors, you will be referring to guys my age as "The second Greatest Generation." If there is another war for freedom, the majority of the fighting will be done by young men like me, so don't count us out. We might have the occasional outspoken socialist in our ranks, but plenty of us are aware of what is going on and wouldn't even consider "letting our chains rest lightly upon us."

231

Does any anyone know which order of nuns went against the Pope, the church hierarchy and the Bishops? 

Posted by: curious at March 22, 2010 03:47 PM (p302b)

Curious, the Corner at NRO had the info.  I don't remember if it was an "order," per se, but kind of think it was some pseudo-religious independent coven of "Catholic" dikes.

Not that the Catholic bishops would denounce that sort -- I see them as about on par with Stupak, grinding their teeth at having to oppose Obamacare, and yeah, I'm Catholic, but I'm not blind.

232 All of you trying to do the math on whether a $750/employee fine makes better business sense than offering coverage, answer me this:

Why does your employer even offer you coverage today? 

233

"Why does your employer even offer you coverage today?"

Because, as of right now, before this bill is signed into law, it is useful for attracting talent--employer-paid health insurance is paid with pretax dollars, and effectively reduces the recipient's taxable income. This is not the case if the employee buys his own health insurance.

After this bill becomes law, there is absolutely zero benefit--the employee is required to have health insurance, the employer gains absolutely nothing by providing it--it becomes significantly cheaper to pay the fine and leave the employee with the bill.

Also, with 10-24% unemployment (depending on which set of figures you believe), it's an employer's market for talent. Employees can be told "like it or not," and if the employee's answer is "not" then s/he becomes unemployed.

234

I'm really losing patience with people who repeate MSM/Demoncrat talking points about this crap sandwich.

235 $2000-3000 is very likely a very low figure for company benefits as company benefits pretty much by definition cover preexisting conditions.

236 I try to stay off the communist news network CNN but while surfing caught the last few minutes of Blitzer.  He had some guy with a large white beard ranting about how insurance companies made obscene profits.  wrong.  look at the damn numbers commie.  No ONE can possibly think this monstrosity will save money and/or deliver quality care.

237 Its pretty amusing to me how swiftly the shock of the Brown win wore off of the left and Democratic leadership. Its pretty obvious they started believing their own lies. Wonder what they'll say November?

238 Can you spell "Unsustainable? 

China, Japan and Saudi Arabia really want to pay for our permanently poor health care program.

239 Can you spell, "cut off the checks?"

No?  Well, can you spell "Battle Rifle?"  No?

Well, you should.

240 The Nazis refused to believe the consequences of their decisions. The Communists, too, even though they starved millions of people. Will we make the same mistake?

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242 what if your employees also decide not to play ?  thats a $750 fine for the employer and a $750 fine for the employee.  Everyone has extra money in their pocket including the US Government ...   sweet ...

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