1

Fot the first time in my adult life, I am proud to be a fellow Garden State round guy. 

2 Starting to see people reaching those limits in MI, too.  We'll see, come November.

3

Shhhh...ya hear that?  Its the gagging, belching sound of Trenton fat cats choking on their Kobi beef wraps and 3 martini lunches.

 

 

4

I'm still skeptical but if you take those things away, what the hell do the Democrats have?

Well, they have, um, uuhh, they have, wait a minute while I, Oh! I got it, but on second thought, that's not too good either...

I got nuthin', just like the Dims.

5 Wait.  So you're saying that sticking with a set of core principles grounded in reality is something people like?  Why, that's so crazy it might just work!

6 I'd give Christie a D+.

7 spending and taxing. I'm still skeptical but if you take those things away, what the hell do the Democrats have?

"gay marriage"?

8 You have to remember, his stance on immigration et al. are considered conservative by NJ standards. Had Lonegan gone against Corzine, I really believe Corzine would have won. That being said he is a law and order man and I have full faith that if he does seeks higher office, he will fully enforce the laws currently on the books, including the immigration statutes.

9
Second chakra... releasing... !

10 By golly I like the cut of this portly fellow's jib!

11 Well, I don't like his take on the mosque issue and while I would agree that it's not good, I wouldn't say it's bad either.  It's just sort of meh.

12 "...but if you take those things away, what the hell do the Democrats have?"


Same sex marriage?

13

Chris Christie is Godlike--he rocks.

That said, I don't understand why so many GOP candidates have the Hispandering delusion, which is my understanding of Christie's going wobbly there.

14

It's almost like core conservative principles are actually much more popular than the MFM wants us to believe. 

This is why some of us object to strongly to RINOs and squishes.  If fiscal conservatism as serious as Christie can get praise, Hell! a majority of support, in New f'in Jersey, what reason is there to settle for less in other places?  I know, I know; you have to pick your best option once it's time to pull the lever.  It just looks like theres no good reason why the Rs can't run solid fiscal conservatives as candidates pretty much anywhere. 

15 HUGE fan of the big guy...too big to fail. I like almost all of his views, he is true cool cat. He gets the emotion behind some issues, and is pragmatic, and respectful. He does not come to a gun fight with a broom like most Pubs.. Chrisite should be the face of the northern Pubs, his body is the down to earth finishing touch that him look authentic. I gush over this guy to everyone I know.

16 14

Chris Christie is Godlike--he rocks.

That said, I don't understand why so many GOP candidates have the Hispandering delusion, which is my understanding of Christie's going wobbly there.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 19, 2010 12:06 PM (ujg0T)

Simple, NJ has HUGE Hispanic populations and as much as I like Christie, he is still a politician.

 

 

17

The lefties that proclaim that they are really fiscally conservative, but socially liberal, seem to lose that fiscal conservativism pretty quickly and embrace full on totalitarianism...

But there have to be some that like the message of fiscal conservativism and we'll leave you the fuck alone-ism and that, to me, is a winning combo.

18 Obesiti illegitimo amo.

19
 Possibly, Curmudgeon, because of the size of the voting bloc, plus the historic unavailability of said bloc. Why that should be a concern isn't clear (to me), it would make more sense to approach them with the traditional values espoused by  the GOP. Pandering -in any form- indicates you act from the strength of anyone's opinion.

20 Some people are born to leader and an event finds them,
for others an event find them and they rise to the challenge and lead.
Christie is the first,
Bush is the second,
Obama is neither of these.

21 Christie does not seem to pander. to me it looks like he really believes a fiscally conservative, property rights, stay out of religion approach. I love it. Pub with a twist of Libertarian in the mix.

22 Yeah, forget about those evil liberal things we have heard about.

LOL, what other liberal things have we not heard about?

Yeah, he is great in fighting the overpaid public employee unions but does one issue make him great?

23 Vic, yes the entitlement problem is in all government budgets, local state ,federally. This untouchable "goodie" bag the taxpayers are fronting needs to be questioned.

24 Gotta love the Round Mound of Fiscally Sound!

25

you know, I think we should be strong enough to let the dang Mosque be built.  Sure they are trying to insult us and claim victory.  I get that.

But I say that they win if we allow ourselves to impinge upon the religious freedoms of Americans.  This is private property, and I am a firm believer in private property rights and the 1st amendment.  I can't see how conservatives can honestly oppose the Mosque without twisting basic Constitutional assumptions.

To me the tragedy is not their Victory Mosque.  The tragedy is our failure, after 9 years, to build the tower(s) back up.  Right now, there should be a skyscraper at WTC that dominates the NY skyline.   The Stars and Stripes shoudl fly proudly above the city as a symbol that no one can conquer our economic system or our personal freedoms.  Instead, we have an empty hole, with political infighting, labor disputes, and this nonsense about the mosque.  In that sense, their Victory Mosque is perfectly apropos.   

26

Possibly, Curmudgeon, because of the size of the voting bloc, plus the historic unavailability of said bloc. Why that should be a concern isn't clear (to me), it would make more sense to approach them with the traditional values espoused by  the GOP. Pandering -in any form- indicates you act from the strength of anyone's opinion.

But that voting bloc---wait for it---Won't.Vote.For.The.GOP.Anyway.

THE RULE OF ANYWAY!

*Of course* the GOP should recruit that Talented Third of Mexican Americans, just like it should recruit that Talented Tenth of African Americans.

But given the poison of "multiculturalism" and "identity politics" surging sadly through the nation's veins, I will say it again.THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO HATE US ANYWAY. The liberal commiecrat symps in the media will see to that.

27 More power to the Chubby One® on fiscal matters, but he leaves me cold on the rest.  But that doesn't matter a whit since he's not running for anything nationally.  If he can get NJ's fiscal affairs under control that will be quite a miracle.

28 I'd give Christie a D+.

Posted by: Barry Sotero

 

Is that a 'solid' D+?

29

Simple, NJ has HUGE Hispanic populations and as much as I like Christie, he is still a politician.

Woops, wrong response person. Take two:

But that HUGE Hispanic population---wait for it---Won't. Vote. For. Christie. Anyway.

THE RULE OF ANYWAY!

*Of course* Christie--and the rest of the GOP--should recruit that Talented Third of Mexican Americans, just like it should recruit that Talented Tenth of African Americans.

But given the poison of "multiculturalism" and "identity politics" surging sadly through the nation's veins, I will say it again.THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO HATE HIM ANYWAY. The liberal commiecrat symps in the media will see to that.

30 But Intrade has .....uhhh, somebody up by 20%!!!!!!



_{Mwahahahahaha! All you're poll threads are belong to us!!!!}

31

Posted by: Ca;ifornia Red at August 19, 2010 12:19 PM (7uWb

See, you're coming at this from a position of the power of the Constitution.  The islamists are coming at it from a position of thuggery.  To their 7th century mentality, that's the only position that matters.  If they get to build this, they "win" in their tiny, evil minds and it further confirms to them that the US is a paper tiger, ripe for Shariah.   I find it ironic that the muzzies were the first official enemy of the colonists; I hope G-d won't use any irony to ensure that they're our last.

32 Christie's major malfunction is a lack of knowledge regarding things not New Jersey and his inability to see when to STFU. He still has some East Coast Lefty nonsense to purge from his mind. Otherwise he is way groovy.

33

But I say that they win if we allow ourselves to impinge upon the religious freedoms of Americans.  This is private property, and I am a firm believer in private property rights and the 1st amendment.  I can't see how conservatives can honestly oppose the Mosque without twisting basic Constitutional assumptions.

We're not necessarily talking about using the power of government to kill the Victory Mosque. That indeed would likely be an infringement of 1st Amendment rights. We are using OUR 1st Amendment rights to register our opposition to Cordoba in the realm of public sentiment.

1st Amendment rights vs 1st Amendment rights is about as Constitutional as it gets. As a supporter of the 1st Amendment, why would you insist that conservatives forgo that right to freedom of speech?

34

Off topic: does Ace realize that the a pro-Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown group is running attack ads against Meg Whitman on his site? Well, if they are paying...I can always ignore.

35

Unlike Hairy Reed, Christie knows the Spanish folks are smart enough to make up their own minds and if they vote status quo...Oh well (he didn't have their vote anyway) . As long as he courts them with fiscal conservativism and not entitlements, I have no problem. When everyone in NJ starts to see more of their friends and family gainfully employed, the votes will be there regardless of ethnicity.

Yes, I still have faith in people.

 

 

36 Ace must have cut a good deal with the Moonbeams..it is his way of bleeding the enemy.

37 What is this crap about some absolute Constitutional right to build a place of worship anywhere you want? Do you so soon forget that a local board had to vote to approve this Mosque? Stop being stupid!

38

... if you take those things away, what the hell do the Democrats have?

Coexisting, moving society forward, making a difference, being part of history, and visualizing world peace.

39
Note to squish republicans:  Notice how it's done -or voters are gonna throw you out too.

40

As long as he courts them with fiscal conservativism and not entitlements, I have no problem. When everyone in NJ starts to see more of their friends and family gainfully employed, the votes will be there regardless of ethnicity.

Sorry, but uh-uh. "Fiscal Conservatism" *does not* motivate them. Which brings us to what the Bushyrovies did--entitlements, Hispandering, Commiecrat Lite.

Moreover, it alienates the Reagan Democrats / Perot-nistas / Boll Weevils and Blue Dogs / Joe and Jane Lunchpails, who *could* be a natural and solid GOP voting bloc, if the Country Clubbers would only *let* them.

41 If Christie can clean up the festering sore known as Trenton, he's a winner in my book.

42 The mosque has nothing to do with the 1st amendment! Nobody is telling the muzzies that they can't practice their religion. They can prostrate themselves to their pedophile prophet anytime they want.

43 Dunno, if Christie ONLY follows through on his promise and nothing else, (it will take 2 terms) he'll have set a very high standard among politicians of either party.

  Interesting to watch if anyone else meets or exceeds that.

44

As long as he courts them with fiscal conservativism and not entitlements, I have no problem. When everyone in NJ starts to see more of their friends and family gainfully employed, the votes will be there regardless of ethnicity.

Sorry, but uh-uh. "Fiscal Conservatism" *does not* motivate them. Which brings us to what the Bushyrovies did--entitlements, Hispandering, Commiecrat Lite.

Moreover, it alienates the Reagan Democrats / Perot-nistas / Boll Weevils and Blue Dogs / Joe and Jane Lunchpails, who *could* be a natural and solid GOP voting bloc, if the Country Clubbers would only *let* them.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 19, 2010 12:49 PM (ujg0T)

thats why I included in my original post this caviat; "oh well" (he didn't have their vote anyway)

 

45 For 2012, I would submit that we can ignore social issues, gun rights, or the mosque (which will be done or not done by then.) #1 priority would be fixing the economy. I would suggest candidates like Christie could simply promise not to do anything (novel) in the areas where people are worried, like guns. Plus, if he has a GOP Congress, nothing would happen anyways. I would suggest that to maximize the vote in 2012 to make sure we can repeal Obamacare, we will need to make a simple coalition of anyone who cares about fiscal conservativism and small government.

46 It's inevitable that I'll disagree with a politician I like on some things because they're not perfect like me.  Chris Christie is no exception, but he is an exceptional Governor.   When he's finished fixing New Jersey, he's welcomed to become Governor of New York and I'll overlook the carpetbagging.

47 Also, two more points: 1) The Mosque is like Nazi marches in Chicago...yes, we don't like either, but it will go through because even assholes have rights in the USA. This ground zero asshole will not budge, trust me. 2) For everyone saying that "hey, maybe conservative values are really popular" I want to send a warning...don't be like the Dems who thought that a vote for Obama meant a vote for everything under the sun. Take it slowly.

48

For 2012, I would submit that we can ignore social issues

Sorry, but you *cannot* ignore immigration and border security anymore. Arizona proves this.

Moreover the "social issues" have definite fiscal impacts, and in many cases are in fact the underlying fiscal *causes*.

If you mean the A-Word (abortion) only, I could agree with you, but immigration, the poison of "multiculturalism", the Left's racial double standards...all of those are at breaking point.

49 The most shocking result of 2010 will be the election of Carl Paladino as governor of New York. That is what will really convince the ruling class that insane spending and taxing deeply and adversely affect all sorts of folks who would not otherwise agree.

50 You should check out the comments on any Christie article on nj.com (the Newark Star Ledger's website).  He has driven the NJEA (aka the teachers' union) wild.  That's priceless.

51

It's inevitable that I'll disagree with a politician I like on some things

When he was still in politics, Ed Koch used to say, "Here's where I stand on a dozen issues. If you agree with me on nine of them, vote for me. If you agree with me on all twelve, get your head examined."

By 2004, he was saying that he disagreed with George Bush on every issue except one -- national security -- but that one issue was so important that Bush got his support.

Right now, the Democrats are so corrupt that the word corrupt seems inadequate. When I think of corruption, my mind thinks in the scale of thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds of thousands with some nepotism thrown in. But these people are stealing money by the trillions, making grabs at money that doesn't even exist yet.

That's my issue: Corruption beyond what I had imagined possible.

We need them to go, permanently and as soon as possible.

52 Curmudgeon, I think he meant Abortion and Homosexuality can be ignored, politically.

Even if they can't be ignored morally, in many eyes, they can be ignored politically.

Immigration can't be ignored, I agree.  That's a 'domestic' issue, not a 'social' issue, to some, but I don't know how that division works.

53 For 2012, I would submit that we can ignore social issues

If Christie does decide to take on a 2012 Presidential run how will the Christie GROUPIES defend the fact that Christie will have to QUIT his eight month stint as Governor of NJ  in order to run as President of the United States?

The Politics of Walletism:  I have zero interest in investing tens of thousands of dollars into a Presidential campaign in which THE ONLY ISSUE that matters is keeping balding flaccid pricks own personal fat-pig wallets fat and fucking happy.

If elections are only going to be about The Politics of Walletism then balding flaccid pricks better pony up their own fat-slap-happy money FOR A CHANGE!

54 Clapton Christie is God.

Watch the YouTube videos of him speaking to the press, to groups of citizens, or to nitwits like Matt Lauer.  The Big Man^tm if the future of the GOP not only because of his fiscally sound policies and the success he is having in implementing them, but because of his ability to articulate his motivations in a way that immunizes him to successful attack by his enemies.  The way he is communicating, not only will none of the attacks stick, they will make NJ voters despise the attackers for beating on the only damn politician who is determinedly looking out for the people of his state.  Bush didn't have that.  Hell, I loved Reagan but I don't think he even did it as well as Christie does.  He has none of the Giuliani / Gingrich type baggage.  He has the "common sense conservatism" of Palin with no risk that people will view him as a lightweight.  (See what I did there?)  His popularity is likely to be sky high and nationwide a year from now.  I think we're looking at the Republican candidate for President in 2012.

55 As far as quitting the governorship early, I think Christie gets "drafted" and runs a short campaign.

56 Oh, and Bret Schundler can take over for Christie, which would be teh awesome.  Google him.

57 Oh, and Bret Schundler can take over for Christie, which would be teh awesome.  Google him.
actually I think Guadagno gets that job...

58

Curmudgeon, I think he meant Abortion and Homosexuality can be ignored, politically.

When the Bolshevik Buttpirates and Teabagging (the actual meaning of the term) Tyrants in Black Robes can overturn the will of the people, then yes, homosexuality is now an issue, too.

59

The Politics of Walletism:  I have zero interest in investing tens of thousands of dollars into a Presidential campaign in which THE ONLY ISSUE that matters is keeping balding flaccid pricks own personal fat-pig wallets fat and fucking happy.

If elections are only going to be about The Politics of Walletism then balding flaccid pricks better pony up their own fat-slap-happy money FOR A CHANGE!

Actually, the social issues are having *very real* fiscal impacts now. I am mainly a Walletist, but I understand this. Your point is well taken--social issues *Do* matter.

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57 Christie has also shown leadership and Conservative cred in his attempt to rid the NJ Supreme Court of judges who do not adjudicate, but instead legislate.

 

61 Curmudgeon, Immigration is part of the economic issue now - I personally would package enforcement with immigration reform (not amnesty.) I am referring to abortion, prayer in school, gay marriage, banning mosques etc. I know we aren't about banning mosques, but I guarantee you some asshole will run on it and the media will tar the whole right. Multiculturalism and education can be addressed by vouchers. My extremely liberal mother is now so disgusted by the state of the schools in CA that she's coming around.

62 Question on SC appointments...do you really think Christie would appoint a "liberal?" I mean, that is an honest fear for socons, but is there a basis for it?

63

Speaking to reporters in Trenton, Mr. Christie had only kind words for Justice Wallace, but he described the historically liberal court as “out of control” over the last three decades, usurping the roles of the governor and the Legislature in setting social and tax policies.

That's from a report in the NYT. Christie does not have an agenda, he expects Supreme Court justices to observe the guidelines set forth by the Constitution.

It's the may 4, 2010 edition if you want to read the rest of the story. Also you can research his views in any of the New Jersey newspapers.

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