1 My wife, her sisters, and their mother combined can make a decision faster than Obama.

2

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'."

 

Accurate version:

After waiting for sixteen hours Obama broke the silence in the room by putting his fist on the table and declaring "It's a go".

3 It's biblical, all right.

4 Well, we all knew these kinds of stories would filter out eventually. "Feckless" is the precise word for it.

5 He put his fist to the table because they were pressuring him to say yes.  He doesn't like being pressured, so in frustration, he hit the table and said "GO!"...........

That's my take.

6 He sleeps for 16 hours a day?  Jeez, that makes Reagan look like an insomniac.

7 A cross between Stewert Smally and the John Carridine character in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance". At least he made his tee-time..

8 This is beneath us.  Obama did the right thing, and I refuse to stoop to their level.

9 Still think we can overcome the democRAT whore media?

10 After being reapeatedly kicked in the nuts by HRC Obama said. It's a go.

11 He was probabaly hoping that after he did that someone would have chimed in and said "It's too late Sir.  You waited too long and he was tipped off - we lost him".

12 "After 16 hours, the president steadied himself on a table, almost falling from a dizzying swoon, and softly mumbled 'okey-dokey.'"

13 After the sixteen hour delay, knowing that it was "on" he goes golfing? Did he really do that???

14 (The rest of the quote) I just got word from Leon Panetta. He's decided, it's a go!

15 Geez.  Wimmen take less time picking out shoes.

16 Well that makes what, 3 times that I've agreed with Obama's actions? With a record like that, I'm sure to vote for him in the future. Like, around 2320.

17 Howie the Rug's got nuttin'

18 This is beneath us.  Obama did the right thing, and I refuse to stoop to their level.

Posted by: MarkD at May 03, 2011 05:35 PM (6CLxP)

Well, aren't YOU just Mr. Poopypants........   

19

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'."

I think that whole statement is spun. They didn't say he slammed his fist down on the table, he probably had his little mits closed up with fear when he laid them on the table and forcefully stated: "OK, whatever......"

20 I have to go!!!

21 After the sixteen hour delay, knowing that it was "on" he goes golfing? Did he really do that???

Posted by: Donna at May 03, 2011 05:36 PM (bdE9c)

If he hadn't, the terrorists would have known something big was up...

22 Extrajudicial assassination of an unarmed man in a foreign country we are not at war against without any notice to that country or any briefings to Congress? I am confident there was another story from the White House if the raid was unsuccessful. God Bless the SEALS. No spin from them.

23 This guy Obama is like Patton, I tell ya!

24 HISTORIC FIRST! President Approves A Decision!

25 f he hadn't, the terrorists would have known something big was up...

  I can see your point. If Barry didn't go golfing they would have surely known that something was up.

26 Jesus took a whole three days! I only took 16 hours. Why can't you Christianists see how much better than Jesus I am?

27 This guy Obama is like Patton, I tell ya!

Posted by: PBoilermaker at May 03, 2011 05:38 PM (jU2vI)

"All glory is fleeting" Especially when gas is 5 bucks a gallon

28 Extrajudicial assassination of an unarmed man in a foreign country we are not at war against without any notice to that country or any briefings to Congress?

You say that like that's a BAD thing......   

29 Obama is a leader. I'm going to follow his example by telling my boss to go fuck himself and then head out to play 18 holes.

30 4 Well, we all knew these kinds of stories would filter out eventually. "Feckless" is the precise word for it.
________

It's true. This man has no feck.

31 Those extra 16 hours were clearly a delay to gain a political advantage. You really have to question the timing of these things.

32 He did not pound his fist on the table, he put his fist on the table, as if to support himself from passing out.

33 Just ask me about my brackets. Picking those is infinitely more time-consuming. You should be thanking me for my efficiency WRT getting Bin Laden.

34

It doesn't matter, they have been creating this guy from the get-go.

Which, by the way, USED to be something we should be extra super extra vigilant against, but only if that fake candidate is an evil Republican.

What a bunch of shit.

35 Obama is a leader. I'm going to follow his example by telling my boss to go fuck himself and then head out to play 18 holes.

Posted by: fluffy is very concerned with the tone of discourse at May 03, 2011 05:40 PM (SwkdU)

Best sleep for 16 hours on that momentous a decision, Fluffster.

36 "After being reapeatedly kicked in the nuts by HRC..."

Not possible.  Everyone knows Hillary's got 'em and Obama don't.  For confirmation, look up the Saturday Night Live clip with HRC and Palin.

37

"All glory is fleeting" Especially when gas is 5 bucks a gallon

Posted by: Jackhole at May 03, 2011 05:39 PM (+qHxi)

 

These gas prices are Biblical.

38 It took less time for Lincoln to appoint Grant to win the Civil War.

39

He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat

I LOVE that one...

read it again. only, slower.

40 It seems like I can never decide who is more dangerous to this country, the marxist precedent or his enablers in the MBM.
But I guess they're really one organism when you boil it down, and it's fucking red inside and out.

Disgust has become my default setting and I'll most likely be searching blindly for the reset til 2012.
 

41

Then the infidel was dropping bombs on brave mujahideen who were known to engage in petting with goats. 

Isn't it ironic?

42 22 If he hadn't, the terrorists would have known something big was up...
_________

That's Obama, always thinking OPSEC.

43 It's like that story about when Noah was in the lion's den and had to make a choice to either escape by being swallowed by a whale or  by fighting Hercules. That's what's so biblical about this event - he had to make a hard choice under dire conditions and levels of stress that would crush a normal man.

44 Winning!

45 How many hours to decide which photo to release?

46 Giving praise because he has the ears of an angel.

47 "Let me sleep in it, babeee babeee, let me sleep on it...I'll give you an answerrrr in the morrrning!

48
Not possible.  Everyone knows Hillary's got 'em and Obama don't.  For confirmation, look up the Saturday Night Live clip with HRC and Palin.

Posted by: Troika37 at May 03, 2011 05:41 PM (eqTkp)

 

ok, after being kicked in the area where his nuts should be Obama said " I uhh, uhh, uhh, I uhh, uhh....ok"

49 Posted by: MarkD at May 03, 2011 05:35 PM (6CLxP)

Good for you, taking the high road.  Enjoy your smug stew.  Me, I'm gonna stoop to relishing every little tidbit of information that shows America and the world that it isn't in fact true that #43 was a nincowpoop, but it is definitely true that #44 is.  He's also an ultramaroon.   

50 This guy is a complete farce.

51 Really, I can defend waiting until more intel comes in, waiting for conditions to become more favorable, waiting to consult with allies, etc.  There are plenty of good reasons to wait on something.  But when all the intel is in, and you're at the go/no go decision point, waiting 16 hours because you need to "sleep on it" is a good thing? A thoughtful, intelligent thing?

What is there to "sleep on", exactly?  Whether or not capturing/killing Osama Bin Laden is a good thing?  Whether or not we should act on the soil of a nation doing its best to protect him?  Does our Muslim-sympathizing knee-jerk pacifist President really need to wring his hands over these no-brainers?  If so, we are in so much more trouble than we ever thought.  Yeah, he made the right call this time (on a yes/no question 16 hours later).

52

8 This is beneath us.  Obama did the right thing, and I refuse to stoop to their level.

So, beat feet, and let those than can, do. I don't mind a little stooping, in fact I don't mind wading through shit up to my neck for a year, as long as the feckless fuck is voted out of office.

53 "Former Clintonites save Obama's ass, by kicking Osama's."

I still want to know what Jarret is doing in National Security affairs.

54

How does square with rdbrewer's link in the side bar?

 

Does anyone know anything about that web site?  I really want to believe it's true, but I can't bring myself to forward it to people, as it's getting no play at all on the main page...

55 Seriously.  You don't see Obama getting bin Laden as similar to the parting of the Red Sea?  Really?  Dumbass wingnuts......

56 It's rather telling that it took Obama less time to send our SEALs into harm's way than it did for him to decide to release his birth certificate. 

57 "*Yawn* I need to go golfing and make my decision!" *next day* "It's a go!"

58 I don't give a fuck about obama. He didn't find bin laden. He didn't plan the mission. The Middle east is mess. Gas is climbing to 5$ a gal and beyond. Banks are not lending. The economy sucks. We're all gong broke. But aside from that things are great

59 OBL needed time with his pet goat!

60
What is there to "sleep on", exactly?






So how long does a campaigns internal polling take?

61 But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared, "Did I clean away all evidence of my 'Biblical moment'?"

FIFY

62 C'mon. I wasn't sure what to do because it was so difficult. The batteries in my Blackberry were kaput. It was late and the corner 7-11 closed. I really wasn't told what the right answer would be until I could get that danged Blackberry workin' again.

But I did switch out the batteries and everything worked out. You should be thanking me.

63

How does square with rdbrewer's link in the side bar?

 

Does anyone know anything about that web site?  I really want to believe it's true, but I can't bring myself to forward it to people, as it's getting no play at all on the main page...

I don't know a damned thing about that site. But since it fits our meme and narrative I'm running with it.

64 29 Extrajudicial assassination of an unarmed man in a foreign country we are not at war against without any notice to that country or any briefings to Congress? You say that like that's a BAD thing...... It's a GREAT thing. But is it really credible that President Present didn't have a Plan B that had NOTHING to do with taking credit if the raid went to shit?

65 Obama draws breath.  Media sighs in wonder.

66

How is it almost biblical? What does he mean by that?

The fact that he made a decision is biblical? What?

It is a non sequitor.

67

So why should I praise Obama for a choice that every single one of his predecessors and every plausible successor would also make?

And probably not requiring 16 hours to do so, either.

Posted by: Ace at 05:30 PM

C'mon Ace.  You know EXACTLY why they'll never answer that question.  They can't have Fearless Leader looking average.  I mean, he's GOD LIKE, man.  Admitting that he did something that every one of his predecessors would do makes him look pedestrian. 

68 He said "It's a NO" and then settled down to watch what he thought was The Apprentice.

69 And with an upward, onward look in his face, Obama alone stood firm against all those who were in favor of the mission, banged his fist on the table, and... agreed with them.

70 60 It's rather telling that it took Obama less time to send our SEALs into harm's way than it did for him to decide to release his birth certificate. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 05:45 PM (pW2o

I THINK you were on my side in the discussion about you know what. Have you got a few minutes?

71 Come on...this was a snap decision. And if you disagree with me you're a racist clock watcher.

72 Sock fail.....

73 Obama stood in firm agreement with his advisors.

74 It's a go. TAKE THEM DOWN!

75 Nobody can exceed my loathing for this guy, but when you attack him for doing the right thing, for possibly the only time in his life, don't bother bitching to me when it never happens again.

So, when are you going to propose extraditing him to the Hague for violating international law?

Some people just can't stand to win.

76 60 It's rather telling that it took Obama less time to send our SEALs into harm's way than it did for him to decide to release his birth certificate.
---------------------------------------------------------

It still took months if the Panetta story is true.

77 The Seals did the amazing thing, not Obama.

78 Obama banged his fist on the table to quiet the consensus and agreed with his advisors.

79 If we really are playing by leftard rules, shouldn't we be trying to get Obama impeached for murder?

80 glenn beck, at the beginning of tonight's show, made a pretty good case that the prez knew about this for some time and so then the "sleep on it" thing becomes sort of an avoidance technique instead of a decision making tool.  Beck is questioning why all these decisions, while they were in possession of all this information weren't made way ahead of time.  he also pointed out that wiki leaks has been wholly correct which is interesting cause I really haven't looked at that stuff so I might look now.

Also, if I found out that BO could have gotten OBL and didn't, I would be pretty curious as to why he didn't and I venture to guess a lot of Americans, yes even the libs, would get downright angry to think that they "lost him yet again".   So he was not in the best position on this.

81 Obama took his own counsel, banged his fist on the table, and said, "Dammit, I agree."

82 Who cares.  I just filled up my car with gas. 

83 It's rather telling that it took Obama less time to send our SEALs into harm's way than it did for him to decide to release his birth certificate.


I think it's rather telling that he put more thought into that then it took for him to decide to let the UN guide our forces in armed conflict in Libya. 

84 It's a GREAT thing. But is it really credible that President Present didn't have a Plan B that had NOTHING to do with taking credit if the raid went to shit?

Posted by: USA at May 03, 2011 05:46 PM (YZISw)

His plan B is to throw somebody under the bus. It hardly matters who.

85 Did Howard Fineman jack off in Hebrew School?

86 Did I read that right?

Obama was fisted on a table in the White House Diplomatic Room

87 It's getting more and more difficult to follow the narrative here. We know that they were pretty sure about this as far back as January, that 5 meetings were held in March, and the action was obviously taken last weekend. So all this thought and planning was put into this, yet Obama waited for whatever reason. I'm also now supposed to believe he's a decisive leader.

88 Obama held his ground and agreed with his advisors.

89 Pimp slapping a piece of furniture, parting the Red Sea, water into wine. One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong here.

90 Seriously. He says" It's a go!" on Friday morning. Due to weather the mission is delayed 24 hours. Even after all that and knowing what is currently occuring he plays golf? I realise they don't want to vary his schedule to avoid a tip off but he still plays golf? I love golf and even I don't think I could concentrate knowing I just sent 4 helicopters full of people on such a mission.

91

The MBM would like to praise Obama for making a nice poopie.

Unfortunately he hasn't quite mastered it just yet. Tends to spend a little too  much time deciding wether or not he really needs to go, and then the decision ends up being made for him.

92 So all this thought and planning was put into this, yet Obama waited for whatever reason. I'm also now supposed to believe he's a decisive leader.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 05:50 PM (qdBf5)

 

Biblically decisive, yes.

93 90 Did Howard Fineman jack off in Hebrew School? What is your point? Or is that just Jew humor?

94 Barack Obama's "My Pet Goat" moment:  16 hours.

95 Obama banged his fist on the table and firmly said, "You're right.  We're gonna do this thing."

96 Beck is making it seem like the wiki leaks stuff essentially forced the prez's hand on this one.

97 It's go time!

Mandelbaum, Mandelbaum!

98 So all this thought and planning was put into this, yet Obama waited for whatever reason. I'm also now supposed to believe he's a decisive leader.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 05:50 PM (qdBf5)

He decisively KNEW that 16 hours was the time to delay a decision.

99 Has this man ever made a decision in his life that he as willing to answer for if it was the wrong one? Feckless is one thing, but hell, this man is a coward.

100 Sorry, I don't give people credit for doing their job. Granted it's not an easy part of the job, but it's a component nonetheless. If he didn't want his golf game interrupted the pressure, he should have just stayed a Senator.

101 Why does the image of the CEO guy in front of the room in "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" come to mind?  The one at the beginning when he hesitates, breathes, thinks he's going to say something, then hesitates again while the men sit there, mouths agape?

102 Obama didn't even give the order.  Leon Panetta did.  Read that article in the sidebar.  It is hair-raising....and entirely believable. 

103 Me, I'm gonna stoop to relishing every little tidbit of information that shows America and the world that it isn't in fact true that #43 was a nincowpoop, but it is definitely true that #44 is.  He's also an ultramaroon.   
Posted by: Theresa D at May 03, 2011 05:43 PM (5axVp)

_{Actually Theresa I was #43, and when do you think they'll actually be getting to that anyway?}

104 So let's see, they had been practicing since August, seems like some initial decision making could have happened in advance.  Criteria put in place etc so at the time you just look at the checklist and say if all the pieces are in place "GO"

105 Obama hit the table with his fist and said, "Okay."

106 The President forcefully slammed his clinched fist into the table and declared........OWIE!

107 It's like that story in Brewers 6:16 where Jesus had to kill all of the money changers because they kept ripping off poor people. He didn't relish the idea of killing them, but in the end he knew that it would be best for the Jews to learn a lesson. Only in this case it is Arabian terrorists that are learning their lesson.

108 Nobody can exceed my loathing for this guy, but when you attack him for doing the right thing, for possibly the only time in his life, don't bother bitching to me when it never happens again.

So, when are you going to propose extraditing him to the Hague for violating international law?

Some people just can't stand to win.

Posted by: MarkD at May 03, 2011 05:48 PM (6CLxP)

No one is attacking Obama but rather how this is being played out in the media and  the meme of decisiveness of biblical proportions.

109 Isn't it odd that Obama would look awesome if he would underplay this thing, but he just can't do that. 

110 "But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'."

This same scene has been repeated -- and will continue to do so -- every time the Preznint sets out for his next round of golf.

111

Just more bullshit.

I'm supposed to believe that they were, at least, 96% sure in February that the goatfucker was in that compound.   The SEAL team built a mockup of the compound and spent a month practicing for going in.   deWon had a whole 5 meetings (snarc) since March, because he was in total control and command of the situation.   BUT, he needed 16 hours to sleep on it before he made the final decision?  He did all that planning himself we are supposed to believe, but he, after 2 or 3 months of meticulous control, still needed 16 hours to sleep on his decision.

Yeah, the asshole is a pussy, and he was dithering.   He was basically told he didn't have a damn choice because if it was ever found out that he was a pussy and didn't kill the goatfucker when he had a chance, it would be the end of the messiah.

As for the report of him slamming his fist on the table, and pronouncing it was a go...well, I suppose he's the only president in the history of the US that his administration ever allowed him to take credit and manufacture an out for.

 

112

 

I did poos! look!

 

113
#58, Terry, re your ? about the link in the sidebar, not sure if the author is credible, but I've been following Ulsterman's posts on a site called Triond for a while now.  On this latest I'll start to get really excited if we start hearing about trouble in paradise with Jarrett and her possibly leaving the WH.  Even then, though, it still might all turn out to be bullshit.

Here's the link I use for the site, if anyone's interested. 

114

I don't know a damned thing about that site. But since it fits our meme and narrative I'm running with it.

Posted by: Iblis

 

exactly.  that's what is bothering me....

115 What is your point?

My point is that if you have to explain the jokes, they aren't funny.

116 I heard through the grape vine that his press secretary admitted today that even he is confused by everything.  You know, my mom always says "tell the truth, the truth is the truth and when you like, you had better have a really good memory or before you know it, you are caught".   I always think about that waring, sure I was a little kid but it sure applies to adults too.  I find myself thinking how many versions of this are there? 

I also, now that you guys have stressed "waiting the 16 hours" half expect the conspiracy blogs to have some "numbers guru" come online with a conspiracy theory as to why he has to wait 16 hours before giving the go ahead on the mission.

I know someone said they see "racist" in conspiracy but I see "piracy"

117

To be sensitive to my Muslim Brothers, please stop referring to my Biblical stature and instead refer to my Quranical stature.

Thank you,

Your Lord and Master

118 Obama banged his fist on the table and said, "Dammit, I'll go with the large fries."

119 >>With those three words, the greatest military operation in recent history began. This is what grates on me. I have no problem saying that what the SEALs did was heroic but the greatest military operation in recent history? Are you shitting me? Have our guys not been fighting two, now three, wars for the last decade? Every single thing Barry does is the greatest thing in recent history. I'm sure his stools are being carefully bottled and stored for display in his massive presidential library because they will be the most perfect stools in recent history. The more the msm tries to make him a mythical hero the more I hate him.

120 113
It's like that story in Brewers 6:16 where Jesus had to kill all of the money changers because they kept ripping off poor people.
Posted by: Howard Fineman at May 03, 2011 05:54 PM (+lsX1)

I can't keep it straight. Is that book before Burfers or Trufers in Obi-Won's Big Big Book of Biblical Proportions?

121 Sorry, I am not giving a lot of credit to Newsflavor and a poster with a pseudonym. Until  somebody with some credibility backs it up it's just a rumor.

122

Obama was praised to the skies for his outstanding temperament and cool demeanor. Remember those paeons?

If he really is slamming his fist on tables now, like Khrushev, I'm a little concerned.

It's a big break with his purported m.o.

Or maybe this part of the narrative is fiction.

123 With those three words, the greatest military operation in recent history began.

That's a real hoot. What's recent history, the past 3 weeks?

124 I heard through the grape vine that his press secretary admitted today that even he is confused by everything

-- Underscoring the complicated nature of the American team’s attack on bin Laden, Carney was caught in a crossfire of his own when he was asked about the number of floors in the compound in Pakistan. “Even I’m getting confused,” Carney said as he looked through his notes.

(link to Politico)

125 Is it just me or has Wikileaks actually been something of a boon to the right?  I mean, Assange is a bed-wetting leftist whose goal was to embarrass the United States, but so far WL has managed to exonerate Bush and Cheney on many of the worst of the Left's charges against them, as well as occasionally embarrassed the left into doing the right thing (something they're generally loath to do).

126 Nothing changed with the presidentÂ’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one.  Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again.  Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. 


Like I said....he was PRESSURED to respond, and since he's a god and doesn't like being pressured, he hit the table and said FINE!!!! 

127 122
I know someone said they see "racist" in conspiracy but I see "piracy"
Posted by: curious at May 03, 2011 05:57 PM (k1rwm)

It was, "racist" in "conspiracist"

128 This is what grates on me. I have no problem saying that what the SEALs did was heroic but the greatest military operation in recent history? Are you shitting me? Have our guys not been fighting two, now three, wars for the last decade?

Every single thing Barry does is the greatest thing in recent history. I'm sure his stools are being carefully bottled and stored for display in his massive presidential library because they will be the most perfect stools in recent history.

The more the msm tries to make him a mythical hero the more I hate him.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 03, 2011 05:58 PM (TMB3S)

That was the greatest post in recent history.

129 It was a risky move worthy of thought because they weren't sure it was bin ladens place and it was an act that violated Pakistan's sovereignty. Now, I don't mind violating that in this specific and rare case, but I can see that it would give pause. Imagine how it would have looked if we stormed a house, he wasn't there, and several civilians died. not good. He made the right call, but there was risk involved. Quarterbacking after the fact when we have the certainty of the outcome is pretty weak.

130 Jackstraw, I'm with you on the pronouncement that this was the greatest military operation in history.   When I heard them say that on Fox, I came out of my chair.   My first thought was, "That you know about, maybe!".    There are secret ops that we will never know about that may make this look like an everyday thing.   I'm not saying this wasn't badass as hell, but come on.   Sucking the one's dick, again, is what the greatest thing ever is all about.

131

Obama was praised to the skies for his outstanding temperament and cool demeanor. Remember those paeons?

If he really is slamming his fist on tables now, like Khrushev, I'm a little concerned.

It's a big break with his purported m.o.

Or maybe this part of the narrative is fiction.

Posted by: Who Knows at May 03, 2011 05:59 PM (1cx/R)

No he RESTED it on the table. Just like that black president in "24" did.

132 Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table
----

Has anyone pointed out the obvious meaning of that gesture yet? 

Yep, Obama thought they were playing "rock, paper, scissors" for the next turn at the game console. 

133 MarkD, if that last comment was directed at me, I'm not ready to send him to The Hague, I just want the knobgobbling by the MFM to stop because our current CIC is an incompetent empty suit who doesn't belong in the WH, he's not the second coming as he's being sold as by the kneepads set.

134 This means Obama's presidency can be compared to Bush I - one term, did something right with the military but was done in by the economy.  The alternative was Jimmy Carter - one term, blew it with the military and was done in by the economy.

Give him his moment.  It won't last long.

135 It's also like that one story about when David had to fight Ivan Drago the next day. He knew that if could not cut his Achilles tendon, Phoenix would be sacked. He had to train all night by doing upside-sown situps, walking lunges in the snow with a log, really old school stuff. Finally, on the day of the big fight, he was almost killed but just when all appeared lost, his 16 hours of training paid off and he smote Drago. That was my favorite part of the bible.

136 135 It was a risky move worthy of thought because they weren't sure it was bin ladens place and it was an act that violated Pakistan's sovereignty. Now, I don't mind violating that in this specific and rare case, but I can see that it would give pause.

---

So they just for shits and giggles and on spec made a mock up of the house for the SEALs to practice in 'cause they weren't sure OBL was in it? 

How much certainty do you think a CiC gets? 

137 I thought the fist on the table had to do with all those fists for all those organizations that beck was putting up on all those black boards all of these months.  Fists was definitely a big theme with this administration and their cronies.

138 138 Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table
----
Has anyone pointed out the obvious meaning of that gesture yet?
Yep, Obama thought they were playing "rock, paper, scissors" for the next turn at the game console.
__________

This isn't inconsistent with the Leon Panetta story if Leon Panetta chose paper.

139 140 This means Obama's presidency can be compared to Bush I - one term, did something right with the military

Are you seriously comparing this operation to the first Iraq War? 

Really?

You sound very concerned that we give Obama credit. 

No problem.  I credit him with sending SEALs to assassinate a Muslim leader. 

140 Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 06:05 PM (pW2o

Dude, Got a couple of minutes?

141 No problem.  I credit him with sending SEALs to assassinate a Muslim leader.

Oh, and I also "credit" him with waging an illegal war in Libya in order to assassinate another Muslim leader. 

142 "Obama banged his fist on the table" Wow, even more misogynistic than Bill Clinton. At least Bill called the interns by name and wasn't violent. And what's with the flat-chested interns anyway? Michelle must really be seriously screwing around with the White House pantry.

143 I still don't understand why they should release the death picture of OBL.  There is no point to it.  And, even if the guy is not dead, so what, he's been rendered harmless now and if you read, he hasn't been in charge of that group for a while. 

Instead I think he should have the media bid for first look at the picture and again, donate the money to reduce the debt of America and let them look at it and vouch for it's authenticity and then that's that.  If you don't trust the media, have representatives from the republicans, the dems, the libs, the conservatives, the green party, the tea party, the conspiracy blogs, anyone who has a vested interest, there for the unveiling and they can vouch for it.  then it's done and the "reduce the debt" fund gets a nice donation.

144 What's up Diogenes?

145 Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 06:08 PM (pW2o


If I remember correctly, you were on the same side as me about a certain topic. Am I correct about this?

146

You know, it's only been a couple days since the goatfucker met Satan, but it just may be that even with all the sucking of Petey's pecker, this may not work out as well for deWon as he thought.   There are already questions about just how much involvement he actually had in all the control and command, but this 16 hours of having to sleep on it after preparing for it for, at least, 2 months makes him look like a chickenshit, at best.   He damn sure doesn't make him look decisive, no matter how hard the media tries to spin it for him.

2 days.   How much made-up shit is going to be debunked in the next week, the next month?   This may be more of a shitstorm for him in the runup to the election than he planned on.

 

147 149 I still don't understand why they should release the death picture of OBL.  There is no point to it.  And, even if the guy is not dead, so what, he's been rendered harmless now and if you read, he hasn't been in charge of that group for a while.

The President violated Pakistan's sovreignty and risked American lives in order to eliminate Osama (and lost an expensive piece of equipment in the process).  I think he needs to demonstrate that it wasn't all for naught. 

148

Can you go to this thread and read Starting with Message # 309.  I wanted to see what you thought about something I figured out today.


http://tinyurl.com/4x89tdr

149 If I remember correctly, you were on the same side as me about a certain topic.

Gosh, I honestly don't know.  Which topic?  Something recent?  My mind has been somewhat mushy as of late. 

150 Oh yeah, also there was the story of the last supper where Jesus was super hungry but Judas was totally hogging everything. Jesus would be like, "could you please pass the chickpeas?" and Judas would be all like "Shortstop!" and take half the bowl. Finally Jesus had enough and slammed his fist on the table and was like, "Judas I cast you into the wilds of Ethiopia, there you shall learn to be hungry." I think President Obama has taught us all a similar lesson, but in its own way, quite different and unrelated.

151 If the way you go about making a decision is ALMOST BIBLICAL, well, where do you go from there? I would like the leftoid media to tell me why it appears that Obama is a bigger warmonger than Evil Bush, but he gets a free ride...

152 The President violated Pakistan's sovreignty and risked American lives in order to eliminate Osama (and lost an expensive piece of equipment in the process).  I think he needs to demonstrate that it wasn't all for naught. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 06:11 PM (pW2o

Yeah, he needs to release the pictures. I Would have been all for placing Obama's Head on a Spike and putting it on the White House Walls.

153 @154
Will check

154 It's a heroic act of Biblical proportions that Obama made a decision.  Up to now, he's been no decider.

155 "Obama banged his fist on the table" Unfortunately, this is the President's signal to White House Staff to bring in the waffles. Not having been briefed, the military and intelligence officers present ordered the strike.

156 Posted by: Steph at May 03, 2011 06:10 PM (AkdC5)

you almost want to believe that blog where the guy talks about all the drama in the west wing cause they seriously backed him into a damned if you do damned if you don't political corner.

And, if he releases that picture, to somehow prove that the guy is dead, and it inflames the "arab street" and we get attacked, well then the repercussions will be enormous.  As you know the "arab street" will deftly point out that it was the picture that made them do it.

He's surely in a very hot spot right now.

157 Gosh, I honestly don't know.  Which topic?  Something recent?  My mind has been somewhat mushy as of late. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 06:12 PM (pW2o

Yeah, I figured something out today, and I wanted it looked at by people who can be objective until they've finished looking at it. Also people who may already know some of the information which I am referencing.

158 I checked Diogenes. 


I've been in kind of the same category as ace on all of this.  The thing that bothers me about Lightworker and his origins is his thumbing his nose at the process (and all of us) and, especially, that no one on this planet, apparently, possessed "standing" to make him pony up with his documents. 

Other than that, I guess I dislike the man enough as he is now to not worry so much about his origins... which is to say, I guess, that I am as satisfied as I expect to be that he is constitutionally qualified for office. 

159 Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 06:18 PM (pW2o

Ah, that's the problem with not writing stuff down. You can't remember who is on your side, and who isn't. Sorry to bother you.

Anyway, my point is, he IS a "natural born citizen."

160 Has anybody read Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs?? She basically says Obama would not agree to making the decision.  Ulsterman says people are going to start leaking how incompetent Obama was.  Obama is taking credit for something he was against.

161 Obama banged his fist on the table and said, "Got any of those crispy crab cakes left?"

162 Anyway, my point is, he IS a "natural born citizen."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 06:19 PM (v2K2g)

so the I'm an American video and the video of his birth at the dinner sealed the deal for you?

I just wish that he had made obamacare easier to dispose of.  It's already impacting some pretty important stuff and it seems he's going for immigration next, right off the high of his tactical strike for OBL.

163 FWIW Carter's rescue attempt was a big mechanical fail, not planning or people. He had so gutted the military by then that you couldn't keep 2 of anything running because the 2nd was for robbing parts. Was a really sad but predictable outcome.

164 Heh, ontherocks, I shoulda been more clear in my snark.  #43 meaning GWB and #44 meaning JEF. 

165

so the I'm an American video and the video of his birth at the dinner sealed the deal for you?

I just wish that he had made obamacare easier to dispose of.  It's already impacting some pretty important stuff and it seems he's going for immigration next, right off the high of his tactical strike for OBL.

Posted by: curious at May 03, 2011 06:23 PM (k1rwm)

What video? I don't know what you are talking about. I figured it out myself this morning.

166 Posted by: lurker at May 03, 2011 06:23 PM (Om1uu)

from what I understand, it was pretty demoralizing for the American people.  Thank God Reagan came along.

167 169 FWIW Carter's rescue attempt was a big mechanical fail, not planning or people. He had so gutted the military by then that you couldn't keep 2 of anything running because the 2nd was for robbing parts. Was a really sad but predictable outcome.

Posted by: lurker at May 03, 2011 06:23 PM (Om1uu)

I remember it. It was very demoralizing.

168

What video? I don't know what you are talking about. I figured it out myself this morning.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 06:24 PM (v2K2g)

In the course of the president's remarks at the WH correspondent's dinner the other night, the president had three videos made to accompany his remarks.  It was very funny.

169

"He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter."

No. The Children finished reading My Pet Goat.

 

170 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 06:19 PM

Yeah, sorry I didn't acknowledge that.  I realize you're saying that. 

I guess I keyed in on the stuff about who his dad is.  To me, I honestly don't care.  The guy (Obama) is so clearly damaged by his upbringing, the genetics of it don't matter to me.  I think he's a really dangerous, sick individual. 

171 Don't blame me, I told him "It is certain" like 10 hours in.

172

The Obama junta will wait a few more days teasing people about releasing the picture etc. Thereby keeping it front page. He'll wait as long as he can and then it will get released or "leaked" thereby giving it more press. This is pretty much been his only victory and they will squeeze out of it what they can.

Back to the topic. 16 hours? You have pretty good intell that the numero uno douchebag is hanging out in a house in Pakistan and you sleep on it? WTF. Don't get me wrong I'm glad he finally decided to give the order.

I can see taking an hour or even 2 to make the move but why would you give that pigfucker a chance to slip away again?

173 The pandering, slobbering leftist media would praise this guy for simply having an unassisted bowel movement.

174 >>Heh, ontherocks, I shoulda been more clear in my snark.  #43 meaning GWB and #44 meaning JEF. 

Posted by: Theresa D at May 03, 2011 06:24 PM (5axVp)

Knew that, just rattlin' the cage a bit, however snark clarity is something that I do take very seriously.

_{...probably the only thing}

175

I can see taking an hour or even 2 to make the move but why would you give that pigfucker a chance to slip away again?

Posted by: BruceTheRobert at May 03, 2011 06:30 PM (re6ik)

I can't believe he could sleep at all and that it appears he didn't trust the military enough to say what GWB and Clinton and Reagan would have said "just do what you have to do when the timing is right for you guys"....period end of sentence.  Then, if he wanted to go to bed, fine, but seriously I don't know how anyone could sleep knowing an operation of this magnitude was in the offing.

176 Guys, if you want a laugh, check this out... courtesy of the Jawas.

177 182 Guys, if you want a laugh, check this out... courtesy of the Jawas.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 06:33 PM (pW2o

ahahahha look at that, they already leaked "the death picture"...lol

178

Can you imagine this conversation happening with any other President.

Joint Chiefs: Mr President. We have very solid intell and a visiual on a guy we've been tracking for years that's Osama's courier. We've never been more sure and have had numerous sources and background on this. We've been working this for years. We have a plan formulated and are ready to go on your command.

POTUS: And you're pretty sure?

Joint Chiefs: Mr. President, it's the most sure we've been in years.

POTUS: And you have a good plan?

Joint Cheifs: Yes Mr. President. We have seal team 6 ready to go on your command and we will go kill Osama Bin Laden.

POTUS: Uuum, I, well, you see, uuumm, I uh, well. Let me sleep on it......

179

Before they could speak?

Even with this dork, I imagine that when POTUS calls his staff together, they pretty much wait for him to speak.

"Why are we here?"

"Beats the fuck outta me.  If he doesn't say something soon, I'm going to take this meeting over."

180

I can't believe he could sleep at all and that it appears he didn't trust the military enough to say what GWB and Clinton and Reagan would have said "just do what you have to do when the timing is right for you guys"....period end of sentence.  Then, if he wanted to go to bed, fine, but seriously I don't know how anyone could sleep knowing an operation of this magnitude was in the offing.

I can't either. I can't imagine any president in my lifetime (except maybe Barry's clone Jimmah) Clinton, Reagan or either Bush would have said GO!

181 182 Must be an older model. No freakin lasers.

182 According to rdbrewer's link in the Headlines:

"The following day, and with PanettaÂ’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the presidentÂ’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan.  Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval.  Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval.  Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the presidentÂ’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion.  Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order.  At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie JarrettÂ’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission.  A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue.  Check the data yourself to confirm.  Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan.  She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed.  This is where Bill Daley intervened directly.  The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission.  What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert GatesÂ’ office, a representative from Leon PanettaÂ’s office, and a representative from Jim ClapperÂ’s office.  I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound.  I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States.  There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier.  The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated.  President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission."

7 Minutes? 16 Hours?

Instead of: "But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'." -- maybe it was more like: "the next morning, a full day after an attempted abort and thirty hours after Panetta said, "go", Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room and said, 'you bastards are doing it without me? It's a go?'"

183 I am sorry, but if you run for president in 2008, and tell your CIA guy that Osama is priority #1, then you shoudl already have that decision made up in your mind. Whether to bomb or use men, yes, that could take a couple of hours. (Really 30 minutes with good advisors tops, because you can be sure they have thought of this stuff before.) Its not as if we randomly chose 5 people to make the decision who had to review the evidence and come up with a plan.

184 Posted by: cthulhu at May 03, 2011 06:44 PM (kaalw)

People keep quoting this like it means something. It's an anonymous source being quoted by a blogger using a pseudonym. It means jack.

185 Gotta admit, I was pretty bummed hearing conservative TV pundits say things like, "You've got to give it to him, Obama made a gutsy call." I say bull. What other call could he have made? It wasn't gutsy, it was predestinated. He fought it as long as he could and now he wants to swoop and and grab glory. Well, let him have it from those who are so easily turned. Not me. He made the same call Jimmy Carter made but the Seals got it right this time. Props to them, not the professor.

186 Assuming that we had known since August about this compound, I would guess we were watching it to the best of our ability (no idea what that actually means, though) and hoping to develop even more intelligence.  The idea is that if Osama had been there for five years, he probably wasn't going to go anywhere unless something spooked him.

Now lets say his courier's name comes out in Wikileaks.  Ok, fine.  If I am Osama, I look at that and say .... so they have known his name for at least a year or more and haven't got me so far, they must still not know where I am. 

My guess would be that something changed in some way in the routine at the compound that gave some indication that Osama might be preparing to move.  Or maybe we really weren't able to watch the place very closely and simply decided to go lest he become spooked.  But it seems obvious to me that *something* had certainly increased the urgency that something needed to be done *now*.

The combination of that wikileaks report *and* the capture of the other guy in Abbottabad might be enough to make me nervous.    Oh, and did anyone else notice in those pictures of the compound, in the separate area where the "trash burning area" was, that there appeared to be piles of dirt?  Wonder if they had started digging a tunnel or something.

187 Had to run it by the big guy first..  He weighed the pros and cons and got back to the president as fast as he could, but his blackberry was turned off....

188 Did you see this article? It claims that Panetta prodder the kill and Obama was kept in the dark because he could not deice. He was dragged off the golf course after the action. Look at his photo in the situation room. He's not positioned in command and looks much less involved than everyone. This operation was Panetta, Clinton, Petreus, etc. Valerie Jarrett and Obama blocked and delayed again and again. http://goo.gl/qdTFl

189 190 Posted by: cthulhu at May 03, 2011 06:44 PM (kaalw)

People keep quoting this like it means something. It's an anonymous source being quoted by a blogger using a pseudonym. It means jack.

Posted by: Rocks at May 03, 2011 07:13 PM (th0op)

We're not getting a coherent account out of the White House, this is a coherent account, it fits in with our perceptions of the Present, and what details we get keep fitting nicely into it as time goes on.

It's not just jack. It's plausible jack.

190 I have read that the (P)resident did NOT tell them "'It's a go' " and that Valerie Jarret was trying her damnedest to stop the operation.

Obumbles was dragged there from a golf outing.

191 I would guess one reason to praise him for this is that it is actually praise worthy.  I don't hate Obama, and I don't think every single thing he's ever done in his life needs to be proven as a wrong move (though I'm sure most of them are).  When he gets something right, I'm going to say "Thank you."

Granted, Bush couldn't save a bunch of orphans from a burning house without the MFM sneering at him, but then I'm not the MFM and I don't want to act or think like them.

192 But the media still hasn't explained to me which of the previous presidents and which of the potential/hypothetical future presidents wouldn't have ordered this.

I think this is true. People say he took a courageous risk...and I think..well what was the alternative? Was there some safe alternative without political risk that Obama could have taken? Imagine the reaction if people had found out that he had Osama in a house and did not do anything about it. Now that would have been the end of him.

193 Lets hope he doesn't need 16 hours to respond to a nuke attack.

194 Five minutes into the third quarter, Obama put his fist on the table and said, "Thin crust. Okay, maybe deep dish."

195

"...  why praise him for being ordinary?"

Why? Because he truly is the first affirmative action president.

196 "the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'"

Yeah sure he did. This is the kind of stuff that used to show up in Pravda.

 What is it about this president that everything he does people say " I don't believe it"?

197 I suppose you teabaggers think those Trump jokes just wrote themselves.

198 Obama declares, "It's a go". Gee, I think I heard Gen. Eisenhower say that in the movie, "The Longest Day". Who knew Obama was a fan of WW II movies. But then, it is more likely that the terse and manly snappy phrase came from a media wonk after having been successfully tested by a focus group of "Independent" voters. People are in error when they complain of Obama's lack of transparency. It is perfectly clear that there is no "there" there.

199 Initially I was willing to give Obama some credit for making the decision, but sitting on it for 16 hours?  Sorry Obama, that's just pathetic.

200

Like someone on the net said of the Flicker picture of the situation room: 

Magic Wasungo had the mein and body language of the pizza guy, unable to leave by the crowd at the door,  becoming invisible in the corner.

This was a team effort led by pros Cheney,  Panetta,  Gates and Daley at the direction of the 'bigs' following Wikileaks' jeopardizing the operation.

Now they can pull out on the July schedule and make some budget hay.  The minute Brennan opened his piehole they blew the delivery of Foreign Policy competence.

The only card they've got going forward is 'Blow Reform to the Rear' Boehner.

201

Well, the reason Obama took so long is because he is so busy on Mayday.
I mean, here is his schedule for Mayday:
7am, waking up in the morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have his bowl, gotta have waffle
SeeinÂ’ everything, the time is goinÂ’
TickinÂ’ on and on, everybodyÂ’s rushinÂ’
Gotta get down to the bus stop
Gotta catch the bus, He sees his my friends

KickinÂ’ in the front seat
SittinÂ’ in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can he take?

ItÂ’s Mayday, Mayday
Gotta get Osama on Mayday
SEALs're lookinÂ’ forward to the weekend, weekend
Mayday, Mayday
GettinÂ’ Osama on Mayday
SEALs're lookinÂ’ forward to the weekend

KillinÂ’, KillinÂ’ (Yeah)
KillinÂ’, KillinÂ’ (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
LookinÂ’ forward to the weekend

202 Like Nixon, I wonder- what happened in the missing 16 hours?

Did he call the Reverend Wright? Bill Ayers? Eric Holder? Rahm? Channel Saddam? Praying to allah?

Seriously. Do you think any MSM will ask what he was doing?

203 Clinton turned down the chance to kill or capture him TWICE!

204 "Obama banged his fist on the table" and said "Michelle says it's a go!"

205 This was the article I've been waiting to read for the last 48 hours. Thank you.

206 Within 16 hours they could have put together a 'Hitler in the Bunker' video about this. And I am waiting for that

Truth is, after completely abrogating every single campaign promise he ever made that man has become the very thing he campaigned against. That is what happens when idealism meets harsh reality and loses. A sure bet in most cases, and only a most likely bet in all the rest.

207 First, W was not waiting for the Secret Service to get the car ready. He stayed in the school at least 20 minutes after leaving the classroom and gave his first remarks to the nation from the school at 9:30 am http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911florida.htm Obama campaigned on a statement that if he had actionable intelligence that bin Laden was in Pakistan and the country couldn't or wouldn't take him into custody, Obama would send US forces in to get him. McCain and Clinton reamed him for this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYefHfokP44&feature=player_embedded Do tell me how you like your crow prepared. I dare you to be honest and print a retraction.

208 As far as Obama ordering something any other president would have ordered. That is assuming the other presidents would ALSO have directed the head of the CIA to prioritize the search and that when it started to produce results, to continue to develop the plan, attending 5 high level meetings about the plan. Granted Clinton tried really hard. The funny thing about this is he actually suggested something on this order to the head of the joint chiefs, and got ridiculed by non other than Richard Clarke in "Against All Enemies". Point being that the capacity of the special ops forces has dramatically increased over the years. Neither Clinton nor Obama did anything to curtail that. When he had the chance to carry out his campaign plan, he did. VERY carefully. Bush hung out in an Elementary School for at least a half hour while Air Force One, completely designed and outfitted for POTUS to maintain his duties during an attack, was 10 minutes away.

209 Are you the same Ginny in CO who believes 9/11 was an inside job because you were completely convinced by Loose Change?

210 What galls me is the notion that Obama took a gutsy risk.  No he didn't.  If the mission had failed nobody would have ever heard about it.  There is no way the media wouldn't have covered it up either by ignoring it altogether or reporting whatever story the administration concocted as part of the "plausible deniability" that goes along with every black op mission.  If the truth ever did get out it would be long after most of us are dead.

211 don't forget the Carter raid was into a hostile foreign country, in the heart of their capital with hostage takers on guard for a rescue attempt when we had almost no forward bases in the region and when Special operations was still looked upon as the yellow bus kids by the Joint Chiefs ...  Carter made a much more courageous decision ...

212 So Bush was able to complete his assignment in class and Obama needed the option of homework. I am reminded of the Vanity Fair cover of the Obama's fist bump in the Oval Office. Confirmed who wears the bullet belt in the family.

213   8 This is beneath us.  Obama did the right thing, and I refuse to stoop to their level.

Posted by: MarkD at May 03, 2011 05:35 PM (6CLxP)

 

Yeah...yeah...yeah...the high road and all that crap.  Meanwhile the commies and the enemedia -- but I repeat myself -- are digging a tunnel under that high road.

214  Elections have consequences; OBL is dead because Obama was elected.  McCain promised that he would not have gone into Pakistan to get him.  Obama said that he would and he did.  Guess we elected the right guy.

215 Article should be titled 7 years vs. 16 hours.  Bush failed at preventing the attack, and he failed at capturing the one behind it.  Meanwhile, you morons are mad at Obama, and we're spending trillions in Iraq.

216 Ace of Spades, what a great comparison.  A sneak attack by terrorists is just like planning a mission to kill said terrorist.  Can you tell the difference?  I'm sure you would have been supportive of President Obama if this action had been a complete disaster.  Right?  Jesus Christ give the man his due, he put his political life on the line for this and the best you can do is nickpick like a bunch of old ladies at the knitting circle.  God Bless America!

217 Praise for Obama's making this decision (in 16 hours) is really a deep insult.

In order to praise him for doing this, one's assumption must be that he's a complete idiot, a rabidly anti-American ideologue, an incredible pussy, or more than one of the above. If one assumes that he's not completely stupid, his sense of patriotism is at least neutral, and that he has the backbone of an eel, then there'd be no reason to praise him for making this call.

218 BTW Obama took little to no political risk, either. When members of SEAL Team 6 are killed in action, it's reported as a "training accident", and nobody ever hears what the real mission was. Had this failed, there would have been no news.

That's why all of my admiration is for the guys who pulled this off. There was nothing in it for them but the risk of death, and conviction that they needed to give the mission their all.

219 Yeah Barry, as soon as Pakistani forces started shooting the Seals, I'm sure the government would have had no problem covering this up like they did for the Bay of Pigs or Mogadishu.  Nobody has heard of those disasters.  They are really well kept secrets.

220 A bungled operation involving civilians and a bungled UN operation involving the forces of several other countries?

These aren't comparable to a nighttime "black op".

221 My quess as to why 0 waited 16 hrs is that he wanted to be sure that if the op went bad, the news would come out over the weekend.  If it went right, as it did, the timing wouldn't matter.

222

Well, Deadeye and his pet goat, Codpiece didn't GET BIN LADEN , Obama did, and thats how History WILL see it. I'm glad SOMEBODY did. An enemy IS an enemy when he's trying to kill YOU, politics and skin color be damned.

Third Party,Folks.

 

Build a party with some COMMOMSENSE that a coffee drinker might concider joining.

223 'intervening invents' - hah... are you talking about what you needed to imagine this scenario? Osama lived there for 5 years... and it's quite likely/probable the Pakistan military, or at least ISI/mil 'intel' knew he was there. So unless you know something we don't, or see some reason to make the operation go during the day (when everyone including the Pakistani military would see helicopters fly over the city, and neighbours might rush to the compound, making it dangerous) as opposed to an early-Monday-morning night raid, please let us know. Otherwise, you're just 'intervening invents'

224 Bush's seven minute delay was calculated, in order to get his exit arranged?  Who the fuck told you that?!?

225 16 freaking hours while the Seal team is waiting, anything could have happened during his little "time out" routine. I agree, even freaking Carter would have pulled the trigger faster.

226

Seriously, you think waiting 7 minutes when you're on defense is less troublesome than waiting 16 hours to make the final call on an offensive action, where the other side doesn't know it's coming?

Really?  I kind of doubt most soldiers would agree, perhaps none, since the type of soldiers who just sit tight while they're under attack don't live to voice their opinions.

227 Oh, now I get it. You're 12 years old. And stupid. And a spaz.

228 I know you hear this all the time, Ace, but you really are astoundingly stupid, even for a conservative.

229  Ginny in CO wrote:

"Do tell me how you like your crow prepared.

I dare you to be honest and print a retraction."

That'll never happen.  Shitbags like Ace never own up to their mistakes.

230 President made a poopy? How old are you? does your mother know what your doing?

231

"So why should I praise Obama for a choice that every single one of his predecessors and every plausible successor would also make?"

Since the Ace O would never "praise Obama" for anything, ever, that's a moot point.

Furthermore, if you can't identify the difference between "a plane just crashed into the WTC" and "we're 60 to 80 percent sure that Bin Laden is in a house in Pakistan not far from the country's top military academy," then analogies must not be your thing, and I'd hate to see your SAT scores. if(typeof(dstb)!= "undefined"){ dstb();}

232 "George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting."

This is hokum. Bush himself said that he didn't want to alarm the kiddies, so he foolishly stayed right where he was. The Secret Service should've/could've (& presumably would've very much preferred to have) hustled Bush's ass out of that school & footballed him into his limo in ninety seconds flat. There'd already been a highly suspicious prior incident there with a surprise-visit from a "film crew" who vamoosed after trying  very hard to get an audience with him. That seven-minute delay was bizarre in the extreme, as was the later FUBAR of having Air Force One circle around for ages in one place like a sitting duck.

B-b-b-but those 16 hours that changed nothing MIGHT HAVE BEEN CRUCIAL!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!!

Straws: you are clutching at them.

16 hours? How about SEVEN YEARS of Bush pretending to give a damn, oh, wait, no, sorry - Bush came right out & said "I don't think about him much" after about three years, & dissolving the CIA's OBL Unit was sort of a tip-off there too, come to think of it.

President Obama promised to get Bin Laden in 2008, & he delivered. Bush made no such promise because other than as a convenient boogeyman, he simply didn't give a rat's ass about him, period. Pretty rich to see the usual suspects try to shake some of the credit off on Bush after he himself literally shrugged & walked away.

Yeah, infantile garbage like President Made A Poopie tells me just how credible you are. One of the great moments of triumph in American history, & your response is to sulk & whine on the Interwebs.

Thanks for failing. AGAIN.

233 Jesus keerist you people are so full of crap. Obama could cure cancer and you assholes would bitch about it. Each and every one of you douchebags need to STFU and pull your heads out of your collective asses. What a pathetic group of ignorant morons.

234 I'm amazed at how knowledgeable people who were nowhere near the actual situation, with maybe 5% of the facts about the whole deal, are able to know exactly how their fearless leader should have handled it. What a shame so many of the fine minds here, completely unclouded by ideological prejudices, aren't in the command loop.

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HA HA AHA AHHHAAA!

Thanks for the laugh!

It takes 23 minutes for an ICBM to reach the U.S. from Russia, no-one said "planes are flying into buildings" Andy Card said "America is under attack".

WHAT PLANES FLEW INTO BUILDINGS IN THE LAST 4 YEARS BESIDES THAT RIGHT WING IDIOT WHO ATTACKED THE IRS????

Obama dithered for "16 hours"????

BUSH DITHERED FOR 7 YEARS AND LET OSAMA GET AWAY TO GO ATTACK IRAQ!

face it, your hero W is an abject failure, GDP, national debt, average wages, employment, home ownership ALL FAILURES ON HIS WATCH.  And Mr. Dead or Alive Mission Accomplished COULD NOT CATCH OSAMA IN 7 YEARS.

LOSERS!

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