October 07, 2011
— Dave in Texas Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Let's get that right out there.
We’ve been within 0.2 points of 9% since January, sometimes a bit higher, sometimes a bit lower, but essentially going nowhere. Just like Tim Geithner predicted 18 months ago...So when the Obama administration tells you things are “unexpected” or “worse than we thought,” remember that they’ve known exactly what would happen for 18 months. And they did nothing. Or at the least, they did nothing useful.
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FIAF STORY BONUS: via Stacia, the tales of a modern day nomad. "I have single-handedly created two international incidents and have been an element of three others." I'm only up to Thailand so I don't know if the international incidents were in Afghanistan or Arkansas.
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HQ hits the big time! And with a scathing indictment of the SCOAMFOTUS no less. *dabs eyes with lace handkerchief* It's so beautiful.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 07, 2011 10:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 07, 2011 10:32 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at October 07, 2011 10:32 AM (iYbLN)
The Birth/Death model of BLS statistics is also easily bent for the desired results, kind of like jobs "saved"
Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2011 10:36 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Irresistable Duck of Mortality at October 07, 2011 10:37 AM (OlN4e)
yep, also included in Obama's New Normal is $3+/gal gas.
Under my plan, unemployment rates and energy costs will necessarily skyrocket.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 07, 2011 10:38 AM (3b8lb)
Posted by: Barack Hoover Obama at October 07, 2011 10:39 AM (FcR7P)
If you count Andorra, the Isle of Man and EPCOT as countries.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 07, 2011 10:40 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Irresistable Duck of Mortality at October 07, 2011 10:40 AM (OlN4e)
Do you want to touch my monkey?
Posted by: Dieter at October 07, 2011 10:43 AM (hWqwb)
That's counting the 45K Verizon union goons and fatasses who went back to work
Birth/Death is estimated at around 40K
So that leaves a big fat 18K of what they think are actual quantifiable jobs created
Posted by: Sarah Palin at October 07, 2011 10:43 AM (Y+DPZ)
Nice how the "actual" curve surpasses the curve of how bad things were supposedly going to be if we didn't do anything.....
Not only did we waste a lot of money, we wasted a lot of money TO MAKE THINGS MUCH, MUCH WORSE!
(There's a bumper sticker slogan in there somewhere)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 07, 2011 10:45 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: Miniplenty at October 07, 2011 02:42 PM
That's because we're always at war with Eastasia
Posted by: Winston Smith at October 07, 2011 10:45 AM (Y+DPZ)
As a concerned Christian Conservative, I welcome the new Norm and sadly express my condolences in the passing of the old Norm.
Posted by: dananjcon at October 07, 2011 10:46 AM (8ieXv)
Hopefully the Atlantic article in the sidebar will get us a new crop of leftist trolls to slaughter. I sense the Moron Horde is hungry.....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2011 10:47 AM (o1ki4)
For red meat, not these bean sprout, tofu eating MFers.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2011 10:48 AM (hWqwb)
Yeah.. he is my candidate.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 07, 2011 02:48 PM (qjUnn)
Where's jollyschnikey?
Posted by: No Whining at October 07, 2011 10:52 AM (HmCnI)
Yeah.. he is my candidate.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 07, 2011 02:48 PM (qjUnn)
He is so damn good in every format....except the stupid ass things we call 'debates'.
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 10:52 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 07, 2011 10:54 AM (GBXon)
Good I need someone to get my coffee...
Posted by: William Jefferson Clinton at October 07, 2011 10:55 AM (hWqwb)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, colossal asshole at October 07, 2011 10:55 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Barack XVI at October 07, 2011 10:57 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 07, 2011 10:57 AM (aYQHH)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 10:57 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 10:58 AM (OhYCU)
IDK, I just have a vague feeling I don't like her 'cause of her views.
Posted by: Jimmuy at October 07, 2011 11:00 AM (ibeMV)
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 07, 2011 11:00 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: poljunkie at October 07, 2011 11:01 AM (XuiJf)
Posted by: Zombie Steve Jobs at October 07, 2011 11:02 AM (0yt4x)
Posted by: The Private Sector at October 07, 2011 11:03 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 07, 2011 11:03 AM (aYQHH)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 07, 2011 11:04 AM (qpKJT)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at October 07, 2011 11:05 AM (Sh42X)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 07, 2011 11:07 AM (aYQHH)
It hasn't always been so, and may not always be so, but I do have a job...and I thank God every day for it.
Next year's garden will be larger than this year's, however. I'm not taking anything for granted.
Posted by: stillwater at October 07, 2011 11:07 AM (0GpN4)
Posted by: LAZRTX at October 07, 2011 11:09 AM (WvqFW)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:09 AM (OhYCU)
Taxed. Enough. Already..
+ Limited accountable government + constitutionalism = where we need to go and what we need to get back to prosperity and real fairness and freedom. This makes leftwing heads go splody.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 07, 2011 11:10 AM (0fzsA)
We all know who Steve Jobs is/was.
But who remembers Steve Case?
Steve Case was the cat's tits back in the mid-to-late 90's. He's the jerk responsible for all those annoying AOL cd's in your mailbox.
Posted by: Soothie has a bad feeling at October 07, 2011 11:13 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 07, 2011 11:14 AM (jx2j9)
38 Oh, and HANO is...The Most Interesting Man In The World!
I don't always drink beer. But when I do, I prefer Natural Lite Ice....Stay drunk my friends.....
Hano seems like an Asho.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2011 11:15 AM (1XX+p)
Posted by: SFGoth at October 07, 2011 11:15 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: grognard at October 07, 2011 11:16 AM (xMJlE)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 07, 2011 11:17 AM (2RVR5)
Posted by: Internet Porn at October 07, 2011 11:18 AM (FcR7P)
Steve Case was the cat's tits back in the mid-to-late 90's. He's the jerk responsible for all those annoying AOL cd's in your mailbox.
I remember when AOL sent 3½" floppies (get off my lawn) and I'd simply reformat them. Thanks for all the free data storage, Steve!
Posted by: stillwater at October 07, 2011 11:19 AM (0GpN4)
Health-care law benefits must be limited to ensure affordability, panel says
Smells like death panels to me.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 07, 2011 11:24 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 07, 2011 11:24 AM (2RVR5)
Remember the "A" drive?
I remember the A team.
Posted by: BA Baraccus Hates Flying at October 07, 2011 03:22 PM (1XX+p)
I remember some A holes I'd like to forget.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 07, 2011 11:24 AM (Hx5uv)
>Health-care law benefits must be limited to ensure affordability, panel says
>Smells like death panels to me.
They're life panels idiot.
Posted by: President Fuckstick at October 07, 2011 11:25 AM (Sh42X)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:25 AM (OhYCU)
Sorry but i cant vote for him ever. I have not said it enough.
Yes. You have.
Now go chase some tail. You won't be young forever.
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2011 11:25 AM (3b8lb)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:26 AM (OhYCU)
Hello!
Posted by: Internet Porn at October 07, 2011 03:18 PM (FcR7P)
Pfft. Without us you'd still be ascii.
Posted by: DooM, Quake, and Diablo at October 07, 2011 11:27 AM (FkKjr)
Heh, last time I built up a barebones box there was a 3.5 inch floppy drive laying around, there was a place in the case for it, had a spare power plug and a slot on the motherboard, so in it went.
Never got used.
Posted by: Bob Saget at October 07, 2011 11:28 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:29 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:29 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 07, 2011 03:30 PM (Sh42X)
And I have a hard drive.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 07, 2011 11:32 AM (QMtmy)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:32 AM (OhYCU)
I recall our "A:\" drive was the 5" floppy disks. I remember Quest for Glory I (Hero's Quest as it was then known) came on ten of them. There were also 4 3.5" disks if you so choose to install that way. The game was probably about 8 megabytes in size and had about twenty hours of playtime.
Different days, when you think about that nowadays an iPhone takes a megabyte sized picture.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 07, 2011 11:34 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Commodore 64 at October 07, 2011 11:35 AM (1XX+p)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:35 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 07, 2011 11:36 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:36 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Jimmah C. at October 07, 2011 11:37 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 07, 2011 03:24 PM (2RVR5)
Since you've never voted before, how can you be sure?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 07, 2011 11:39 AM (uyrz7)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:40 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Marie at October 07, 2011 11:41 AM (W7Seu)
Read this stupid column by Mona Charen (in NRO) and then call your cardiologist. Could she be less dismissive of the non-Romney candidates?
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 11:43 AM (5H6zj)
OK, so that made me think of the RNC embodied as a sixteen-year-old boy trying to get his girlfriend to go all the way. (Not that I'm disagreeing with your sentiment, but that's the image that popped into my twisted brain.)
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 11:45 AM (5H6zj)
But Herman is a racist who was never down for the struggle?
Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 07, 2011 03:42 PM (Lt/Za)
I'll never buy another racist pizza.
Posted by: Larry O'Donnell who is down with the struggle at October 07, 2011 11:46 AM (Hx5uv)
I recall our "A:\" drive was the 5" floppy disks.
The MacGuffin in Sixteen Candles is the bet for The Geek to get a pair of girl's panties. He appeals to Molly Ringwald with "Do you know how much a box of floppy disks cost!"
This is much like reading old sci fi about people traveling off to Mars or whatever and angsting about what books to take because of weight limits and then looking down at a flash drive that costs $10, that weighs a few ounces and has the capacity to contain every book ever written in any language.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 07, 2011 11:46 AM (VtjlW)
May I introduce my daughter ... the Krakenette!
Posted by: The Kraken at October 07, 2011 11:46 AM (GvYeG)
Thank you so much for that.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:47 AM (OhYCU)
That poll seems a bit of a stretch. Not that I am not glad that Mittens is behind. But that Cain has a 20% lead? I don't know. Sure it's possible but I wonder if it's an anomoly. In fact I was wondering about all these huge swings in polls. One minute Perry is way ahead, a shitty debate performance and he's done. Bachman is tied with Romney and now she's at 3% Etc. Etc. WTF? Do people change their minds that rapidly? The polls just seem to be all over the place.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2011 11:50 AM (1XX+p)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 11:51 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 07, 2011 11:51 AM (Hx5uv)
I watched sixteen candles again relatively recently and saw just how used the Duckman was - screwed over by Molly Ringwald.
And then Cryer has to live down the ignomony of Charlie Sheen.
Dude.
Speaking of Dudes, watch that movie with Cryer in it. It is so 80s.
Posted by: blaster at October 07, 2011 11:51 AM (l5dj7)
OK, so that made me think of the RNC embodied as a sixteen-year-old boy trying to get his girlfriend to go all the way.
And I would like to thank you for making me think of the RNC embodied as Mitt Romney as a sixteen-year-old boy trying to get his girlfriend to go all the way. There's a presentation. With a flip chart. And laser pointer.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 07, 2011 11:51 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2011 11:51 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2011 03:50 PM (1XX+p)
I think Cain got a 'Palin not running bounce'.
The polls will be all over the place for a while.
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 11:51 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 11:53 AM (5H6zj)
It was an instantaneous "gahhhh" moment that I felt I must share to try to purge myself of the image.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 11:53 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: george clooney at October 07, 2011 11:54 AM (+56Bh)
Posted by: Mr Pink at October 07, 2011 11:54 AM (ffhgf)
Posted by: soothie at October 07, 2011 11:55 AM (Y4TdB)
I watched sixteen candles again relatively recently and saw just how used the Duckman was - screwed over by Molly Ringwald.
That's Pretty In Pink, not Sixteen Candles and OMG OMG I can go on for hours and hours and hours about how much the ending of Pretty In Pink sucks but Ducky was too good for her anyway.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 07, 2011 11:56 AM (VtjlW)
I think I need a 1983 Casio DG-20 electric guitar.
set to electric mandolin ...
some drums ...
yeah
Posted by: Flight of the Conchords at October 07, 2011 11:56 AM (fNhAr)
Posted by: bill clinton at October 07, 2011 11:57 AM (+56Bh)
Remember STEVE AUSTIN?
Sure. He was the Six Million Dollar Man!
(Probably sixteen billion, now)
Posted by: Benzadmiral at October 07, 2011 11:59 AM (WuRdj)
Unemployment is to the economy as the SCOAMF is to Hitler.
Posted by: hank williams jr at October 07, 2011 12:00 PM (+56Bh)
Posted by: Mr Pink at October 07, 2011 12:00 PM (ffhgf)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 07, 2011 12:00 PM (Hx5uv)
Sure. He was the Six Million Dollar Man!
(Probably sixteen billion, now)
Still comes in at $15 trillion less than Obama.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 07, 2011 12:02 PM (Hx5uv)
Gimme a call, Michele!
Posted by: Charlie Sheen at October 07, 2011 12:02 PM (WuRdj)
Obama Fundraiser Pushed Solyndra Deal From Inside
An elite Obama fundraiser hired to help oversee the administration's energy loan program pushed and prodded career Department of Energy officials to move faster in approving a loan guarantee for Solyndra, even as his wife's law firm was representing the California solar company, according to internal emails made public late Friday.
"How hard is this? What is he waiting for?" wrote Steven J. Spinner, a high-tech consultant and energy investor who raised at least $500,000 for the candidate before being appointed to a key job helping oversee the energy loan guarantee program. "I have OVP [the Office of the Vice President] and WH [the White House] breathing down my neck on this."
An elite Obama fundraiser hired to help oversee the administration's energy loan program pushed and prodded career Department of Energy officials to move faster in approving a loan guarantee for Solyndra, even as his wife's law firm was representing the California solar company, according to internal emails made public late Friday. "How hard is this? What is he waiting for?" wrote Steven J.
Spinner, a high-tech consultant and energy investor who raised at least $500,000 for the candidate before being appointed to a key job helping oversee the energy loan guarantee program. "I have OVP [the Office of the Vice President] and WH [the White House] breathing down my neck on this."
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 12:05 PM (X6akg)
I have to give Zero, Pelosi, and Reid credit. They are willing to sacrifice their lives, their careers, and the whole goddam country just to prove how monumentally stupid they are.
Unless they know they're going to (1) hold on to the Senate by any means necessary, or (2) there won't be elections.
What they forgot about was (3)...ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: trainer at October 07, 2011 12:05 PM (Rojyk)
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 12:06 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2011 12:06 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:07 PM (5H6zj)
I hereby nominate Tami for a Spurwing Plover with Lacewig Cluster for Excellence In Double Posting Within A Comment.
(I keeed, I keeeed)
Posted by: alexthechick at October 07, 2011 12:07 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 04:07 PM (5H6zj)
Yes....he was very good.
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 12:07 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: The Kraken at October 07, 2011 12:09 PM (GvYeG)
I hereby nominate Tami for a Spurwing Plover with Lacewig Cluster for Excellence In Double Posting Within A Comment.
(I keeed, I keeeed)
Posted by: alexthechick at October 07, 2011 04:07 PM (VtjlW)
I humbly accept....I've never won anything!
But I'd like to thank Pixy, without whom, it wouldn't have been possible.
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 12:10 PM (X6akg)
Well then I guess Romney's next line of attack will be that Perry is a bitter clinger since Mitt seems to be running the DNC playbook.
I went to the Values Voters page but I can't find the vid. 'Hope they post it.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:10 PM (5H6zj)
But it was very "green" of her to double up like that!
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:12 PM (5H6zj)
That's what she said?
btw, when are budget cuts going to be blamed for the outbreak of listeria in cantaloupes?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 07, 2011 12:12 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 12:13 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 07, 2011 12:13 PM (OhYCU)
So, you think this was spontaneous? You donÂ’t think that they donÂ’t believe that they are the ones who can make Marxism work? In spite of the hundreds of millions murdered to make it work, in spite of the fact that no one has ever made it work and in spite of the misery that continues to be left in the wake of socialism, these asshole arrogantly believe that only they possess the secret to making it work.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 07, 2011 12:14 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: blaster at October 07, 2011 12:14 PM (l5dj7)
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2011 03:50 PM (1XX+p)
I think Cain got a 'Palin not running bounce'.
The polls will be all over the place for a while.
Probably. That's why I don't think the establishment should be writing Perry's obituary yet. It will be interesting to see where the Christie and Palinista's land.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2011 12:14 PM (1XX+p)
fify
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:14 PM (5H6zj)
I blame illegals crapping in the fields and seeding the soil with the bacterium.
I think that's Bush's fault.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 07, 2011 12:15 PM (xFdca)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 07, 2011 12:16 PM (hiMsy)
#42 - decent line by Perry but every candidate has come up with a "let's make O unemployed" line so no need to get all jizzed up over it
#89 - great advice
#121- too true. Even watching Sci Fi from the 80s/90s and what was considering cutting edge technology is completely lame now
#129 - yup, a heavy GOP congress wouild be helpful to make sure Mitt (if it is Mitt) stays the course
#155 - amazing Solyndra (and F&F) haven't taken over yet. Maybe if ABC is covering it they will begin
Posted by: nobama12 at October 07, 2011 12:22 PM (ykY2u)
http://tinyurl.com/3vyu6zu
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 12:23 PM (X6akg)
36Perry:
"Our first order of business is to send our President to the private sector."
Well, Rick Skerry, that will NOT ef'n happen, This Stutter Clusterf*ck Of A Miserable Failure, Affirmative Action assclown, will never be in the private sector, never has been.
He will forever be sucking off the public teat and collecting part of your paycheck to enrich himself, we will be Goddamn lucky if the next SCOAMF doesn't nominate him to SCOTUS where he can pracitice his lazy ass, do nothing but destroy America ways for life!
Unless someone has the balls to Impeach his ass!
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 07, 2011 12:24 PM (vXqv3)
Perry was supposed to be introduced by the leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, not a surrogate of Perry but a supporter and someone The Hill is reporting will be endorsing Perry. I assume this is a bit of a blow to Cain.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:24 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2011 12:27 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 07, 2011 12:27 PM (3YCP0)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 07, 2011 12:29 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 07, 2011 04:16 PM (Lt/Za)
I'm stealing that!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 07, 2011 12:30 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 07, 2011 12:31 PM (uIz80)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 07, 2011 12:32 PM (vahvH)
I could not find it at the Hill's website. All I found was the article in which the Hill reported that the fellow from the SBC was endorsing Perry and that he'd be introducing Perry at today's event. The CSPAN link Tami provided did not show the intro.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:33 PM (5H6zj)
POLITICO 2012 Texas evangelical leader Robert Jeffress said this afternoon he does not believe Mitt Romney is a Christian.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2011 12:36 PM (DNTer)
_________
Lenin and Stalin didn't have an app for that.
Posted by: Anachronda at October 07, 2011 12:36 PM (NmR1a)
Saw this yesterday here at the HQ ---
Obama 2012 Change you can step in
A good bumpersticker for thinking morons.
Posted by: Boots at October 07, 2011 12:39 PM (neKzn)
" "
A bold Texas-style proposal to replace the failed policies of the past...
Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2011 12:39 PM (eEfYn)
FWIW, that's a really commonly-held belief. I'm not sure how it's relevant, unless you're a person who decides whom you'll hire based on their religion.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:40 PM (5H6zj)
_________
Lenin and Stalin didn't have an app for that.
------------------------------------------------------
That 100 million + dead in the 20th century because of communism, that's not a bug that's one of its features. Remember Ayers thought that at least 10% of the US population would need "reeducation" or worse, which in the sixties would have been around 25 million people here at home.
They lust for power over us, for the power to make us suffer. The commies because that's the whole appeal of communism, and the obamunists because he and his followers despise us and everything we represent.
Posted by: Boots at October 07, 2011 12:44 PM (neKzn)
O/T.. OK with the Yanks making an unceremoniuos exit last night, the official start of video game season has begun. What game do you morons recommend I get started with:
Resistence 3
Infamous 2
Duke Nukem
Rage
Dead Island
Drakes Uncharted 3
Brink
Chrisis 2
I already finished Portal 2
I look forward to your suggestions and snark-filled mockery.
Thank you.
Posted by: dananjcon at October 07, 2011 12:45 PM (8ieXv)
Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2011 12:45 PM (eEfYn)
65 But who remembers Steve Case?
Steve Case was the cat's tits back in the mid-to-late 90's. He's the jerk responsible for all those annoying AOL cd's in your mailbox.
I got a mailing from Steve Case last week, he's selling timeshares and no I'm not kidding!!
But they're not calling them "timeshares", it's some sort of "luxury vacation investment" or nonsense gobblety goo like that.
Posted by: Boots at October 07, 2011 12:50 PM (neKzn)
It looks like it's a reciprocal thing. I believe that the LDS Church doesn't recognize non-LDS baptisms and most (all?) of the major apostolic Christian sects don't recognize LDS baptisms. I believe part of it has to do with their very different concept of the Trinity (they seem to reject it) as well as what seems to be a rejection of the apostolic foundations of the modern Church.
As far as I'm concerned, they recognize the divinity of Christ, so I'd call them Christians. But I admit I am not too keen on delving very deeply into their specific beliefs, because it's my understanding (from talking with folks well-connected in the LDS church) there are some pretty anti-Catholic roots.
All I care about is how people treat me and others.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 12:51 PM (5H6zj)
#191 - taking shots at a candidate's religion should be off limits. Hopefully it was someone not connected with the Perry campaign.
As for the Romney blue states thing - Romney is more moderate than Perry so he picks up more support in the more moderate states (purple and blue). As stated here recently the issue boils down to a) Perry can win the red states but can he win purple states vs b) Romney can win purple states but does that cause a problem with red states?
Posted by: nobama12 at October 07, 2011 12:52 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 07, 2011 12:55 PM (hiMsy)
Did I miss the link to the details or if not, can anyone link? Did the preacher say Mormons are not 'Chritians', call for a jihad against Deseret, or something in between?
Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2011 12:59 PM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 07, 2011 01:01 PM (vahvH)
(If you're responding to me) I guess my point about relevancy is simply this: if someone holds a commonly held view (which it's my understanding based on polls I've seen reported is the case, justifiably or not) about someone's religion, it's relevant to them, certainly, but it is not relevant to anyone who doesn't make their decisions about hiring based on someone's religion. So, if anything, I suppose it could help Romney by weakening the strength of the Southern Baptist Conference leader's endorsement amongst people who find that guy's opinion offensive.
Cult is certainly a loaded term, but all that matters is what weight each individual chooses to place on someone's religion.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:01 PM (5H6zj)
Lincolntf is reporting a tweet(s) he read from the Hill.
I could not find what he read reported at the Hill's website, but I tried to provide context by pointing out that the Hill reported that Perry was not going to be introduced by a "surrogate," but rather by the leader of the Southern Baptists who is planning on endorsing Perry.
Unless there's some evidence that Perry is running around saying Mormons drowned puppies, I really don't see the relevance. It is commonly known that many Christians do not consider LDS to be true Christians. That's kind of just life.
I don't think it benefits Romney's campaign to make an issue of this incident (even if it did happen, which I still don't know is the case) since it plays right into the questions about Mitt's electability.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:06 PM (5H6zj)
I think many voters are more comfortable with a candidate who has relatively mainstream, generic religious views but there is evidence that they really do not care about the details of those views.
Many evangelical Christians term any religion with a focus an individual (?) outside of the Trinity as a cult. That would include LDSism (Joseph Smith) and Islam (Mohamet or whatever this month's preferred spelling is).
Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2011 01:06 PM (eEfYn)
"“As evangelical Christians, we understand that Mormonism isn’t Christianity and thus the difference between someone who is good and moral like Mitt Romney and a true follower of Christ [like Perry],” Jeffress told reporters after Perry’s speech. “I think the decision for conservative evangelical Christians right now is going to be, do we prefer somebody who is truly a believer in Jesus Christ or somebody who is a good moral person but is a member of a cult? And it’s not politically correct to say but it is true: Mormonism is a cult.”"
So it was not something said during the introduction, it was said in a presser afterwards. To me, there is no impact on Perry. If this minister chooses to make an issue of it, that's his business.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:11 PM (5H6zj)
Yeah, that's my impression.
I confess that the way I was raised (Roman Catholic) we spent absolutely no time critiquing/analyzing/whatever other peoples' religions. We were taught RC is the one true faith. End of story. In other words, my parents would have been just as freaked out if I became a Lutheran as they would if I became a Latter-Day Saint.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:13 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 07, 2011 01:14 PM (vahvH)
Based on that article there is nothing to this as I see it. That has been their view of Mormons since there have been Mormons. Of course the language would have been a bit more harsh in the past.
I am sure that there are some who will not vote for a Mormon candidate because of his religion but that is nothing new.
Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2011 01:16 PM (eEfYn)
Well, my impression is that the guy was speaking as a minister of his particular faith. I mean, he makes a point of saying that Romney is a good man -- just not a good Christian. I don't know if it will sway anyone. I certainly don't give a rat's ass.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:17 PM (5H6zj)
"Actual moron dots.."! Hey, who you callin' a maroon!
Posted by: Errol at October 07, 2011 01:18 PM (vewos)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 07, 2011 01:20 PM (uIz80)
I mean, the Pope himself could stand up and expound on the ins and outs of Evangelicalism, the LDS faith, or what-have-you and simply would not rate on the give-a-shit-meter when I cast my vote.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:21 PM (5H6zj)
My read of the article Tami linked is that they are trying to gin up controversy.
Do you think Perry should reject the endorsement based on what the guy said at the presser afterward?
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:22 PM (5H6zj)
I also agree this appears to be a nothing item so far. My statement at #204 was more general in that religion should be off limits in campaigns.
#215 - Perry does seem to punching back much harder at Romney. I just hope he doesn't pull the Mormon card in order to get the GOP nomination.
Posted by: nobama12 at October 07, 2011 01:25 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Hano goes Solo IYKWIMAITYD at October 07, 2011 01:28 PM (zyEvO)
I agree, let's keep religion out of this, which is one reason I rejected Cain. I can't forgive him for his 'won't hire Muslims' comment.
I really dug around Perry's background before signing on because, frankly, my best friend now is LDS and I am living in Utah. I could not find any public evidence of Perry having a "Mormon problem." Now, whether or not in the context of his faith he believes stuff about the LDS faith that I disagree with, I can't say. I know he believes in a much more literal interpretation of the Bible than I do, but I am at peace with that. I can't hold Perry's Evangelical faith against him any more than I can hold Romney's beliefs against him.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:30 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2011 01:31 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 07, 2011 01:32 PM (uIz80)
Posted by: Old Texas Chick at October 07, 2011 01:34 PM (lLXZV)
They is the people who authored the article - The Hill. As you pointed out, they introduced the term surrogate.
If the original tweet is as you reported, then there has been an injustice done to Perry, because the cult comment came after Perry's speech during the minister's press conference, not during the introduction as reported.
Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2011 01:34 PM (5H6zj)
I think this is a dead horse now but...
I would prefer Cains with his view that he would be reluctant to appoint a Muslim to his cabinet than the idiocy we have been stuck with for the past 10 years. Bush was inviting every prominent terrorist-supporting Muslim leader in the country for White House meetings accompanied by asinine statements about the hijacking of Islam. He was clueless (in part, surpisingly, to his particular blend of Christianity) which is why we spent fruitless years trying to bring Western-style democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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