1 Don't forget the other big item that's supposed to move across the porous border -- remittances!

2 It is a sight to see someone talk out of both sides of their ass.

3 Alligator / Moat 2012

4 Strict Mexican gun laws are clearly doing a heck of a job, Felipe. 

5

So let me get this straight. Calderón wants us to have extremely lax border enforcement when it comes to illegals but also says we need to enact even more stringent measures than tight border enforcement when it comes to guns.

Works for me. Calderon is obviously not afraid to take on the Obama administration and can hold his own with Rachel Maddow. He's punchin up!

 

6 What do these two things have to do with one another? Um... oppressed undocumented workers are on an obstacle course with guns as first prize? The ugliest beauty contest on the planet, during the firearm competition, frightens away the audience? What are you getting at here?

7 If the Mexican government had the faintest prayer of controlling their side of the border, this suggestion (control both sides, which would be a win-win, indeed) would be effective.

Mexico hasn't the control over its forces to even make a stab at it.

8 OT, this is what happens when Joe Biden does the driving-

http://tinyurl.com/43bkfgp

9

Funny how we have more troops sitting in South Korea... than on our own border.

I'm not for isolationism, as many think, but we sure have to rethink the 'balance' of our deployments... and decide just what the Militaries Job really is... ie, is it to Police the entire world? or to Protect America...

10 Calderone's scum. He's bought and paid for by one cartel, which is why he's so aggressive with the others. Almost every developed country in the world has much more draconian immigration laws than the US (including Mexico), yet we are simply supposed to let people come in and stay without so much as a pat down because we're a rich country. Nuts to that. Calderone governs the bloodiest country in the whole fucking world, and we should seal that border up completely until Mexico stops resembling Thunderdome.

11 Mexico is a failed country

12 Time to sue Arizona.

13 Is that Oscar from the Office?  .. jk

It amazes me how European arrogance and territorial disputes are still playing out here after all these years between the descendents of the (from north to south)  France-Britain-Spain-Portugal.

14 Too bad we don't have anyone in Washington who will tell him to eat shit.

15 I have lots of popcorn and beer on tap, let the circus  show begin.

PS... Rush is talking about it and mentions CBS's stories.

16 No, no, no, I don't stop guns from coming into my country, Mr Obama.

17 Posted by: Dianna at June 20, 2011 12:12 PM (qrFCz)

That's not entirely true.  The problem is that, like most of the rest of the world, the Mexicans would like to tell us what to do while we enable (and even pay) them to work directly against our interests.

The single largest organized criminal organization in Mexico is los Federales.  They're more corrupt than a room full of Democrats who think the microphones are off.

I would be highly surprised if the Mexican government weren't benefiting (financially) from the drug violence almost as much as the cartels themselves.

18 I have a better suggestion for el Presidente. Let's clamp our shared border down hard and control the flow of both people and guns. It's a win-win.


BOO-YAH!!!

19

Oooh.  I'm the first to do this, Andy.

Racist!

And yes, Calderon is a punk.

I denounce myself.

20 Mexicans murdering Mexicans in Mexico:  Mexicans and Mexico blameless.  It is all the fault of the Americans.

21

Funny how we have more troops sitting in South Korea... than on our own border.

I'm not for isolationism, as many think, but we sure have to rethink the 'balance' of our deployments... and decide just what the Militaries Job really is... ie, is it to Police the entire world? or to Protect America...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 20, 2011 12:12 PM (NtXW4)

I'd be happier if they surrounded Washington, DC...

22 Nuke Meh-he-ko!!!!

23

Conventional wisdom and:

drugs: we can't stop the flow, and trying kills people and enables criminals

illegal aliens: we can't stop the flow, and trying kills people and enables criminals. And it's racist. Except when Mexico does it.

guns: somehow the very same porous border can magically stop the flow of weapons, and this would be easily done. By going after licensed gun dealers. And private firearms owners.

RPGs and crew served weapons in the hands of Mexican cartels: shut up.

24

Yeah, it's the fault of the 2004 "ban", the only major effect of which was to cause a dramatic increase in "assault weapon" sales and supply before and during the "ban".  No shortage of magazines available for them, either.

I bought a civilian model AK and FAL while the ban was in effect; about the only functional difference between a pre-ban and post-ban weapon was the lack of bayonet lug and flash supressor.  Somehow I don't believe that the cartels are killing each other in mass bayonet charges.

25 Interesting. Sounds like right-wing social engineering to me.

26 Isn't it also somewhat amazing that, during the last year of El Presidente Fox's last term, the violence "began" to move up, but has absolutely exploded since El Presidente Calderon took office?

Hmmm... I wonder if he's enough like Prez. O., to blame it on "the situation [he] inherited?"

27 *hurries to write business plan for Jane D'oh's Moats 'n' Gators*

28 I'd be happier if they surrounded Washington, DC...

With their guns pointing in...

29 The Day After Tomorrow movie did stretch reality in places. The parts with the giant frozen glaciers in NYC and the -150 degree ice typhoons were a tad imaginary, but those scenes where Americans were flocking across the border to refugee camps in Mexico just boggled the mind. That was really pushing it.

30

Ain't nothing wrong with the U.S.-Mexican border than can't be solved with parking 4 tank battalions and an attack helicopter squadron on it.

And drones...we loves the drones.

31 My understanding of recent history on this, it used to be that cocaine for instance was grown in Columbia and Mexican officials let it flow through unharrassed for a small toll as long as it was understood it was "for the American gringos" and not to be sold to Mexicans.  Once Columbia started cracking down those drug cartels had to go somewhere and especially after 9/11 when smuggling over US border got harder,  the Cartels started setting up shop/selling in Mexico.  That's where this sudden rise of everything in Mexico has come from recently.

32 Is it just a coincidence that the main drug dealer bad guy on Miami Vice was also named Calderon?

I think not.

Crockett/Tubbs 2012!

33 Here's a thought:  Clamp down on the flow of cash transfers across the US-Mexico border.  Wire payments especially.

Anyone want to lay odds on what effects that would have?

34
Comments #1-#35:

You're all racists.

35 Posted by: Roy at June 20, 2011 12:18 PM (VndSC)

I played a game with that movie (if I drank, it would have been a drinking game), "Count the liberal memes:"

AGW?: Check
US Government non-responsive to AGW?: Check
W as a doofus?: Check
Chenney running the White House?: Check
Illegal Immigration isn't bad?: Check

36 31:  One of the other big problems is the rise of the Zetas, which are essentially elite Mexican military types who decided to quit pretending and just go all in on the whole organized crime thing.  They brought new heights of brutality and violence to the scene, which contributed to the whole thing going completely off the rails.

37 Without Soccer and Oil, Mexico is just another Somalia

38 Isn't it also somewhat amazing that, during the last year of El Presidente Fox's last term, the violence "began" to move up, but has absolutely exploded since El Presidente Calderon took office?

Hmmm... I wonder if he's enough like Prez. O., to blame it on "the situation [he] inherited?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Did he castigate the US over' its policies while deflecting the far more severe policies that his country has regarding immigration and border patrol? Check.

Did he ignore the second class citizenship laws that restrict property and business owenrship and political activity regarding immigrants while demanding that and more for Mexicans? Check.

Did he repeatedly play the race card? Check.

That should answer your question.

39

You're all racists.


Proud if it too, Sooth.  Proud of it.

That word has been so leached of it's meaning that it now means "anyone who has standards."

40 34:  La Razists?

^{/really, it gets impossible to take it seriously anymore}

41 You're all racists.

Naaaa...  I'm far too sedentary for that.

Wait.  I think I may have misunderstood you...

42

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 20, 2011 12:19 PM (sbV1u)

I am not normaly a fan of Emminent Domain... but... The Feds should use it in this case to get control of miles of buffer all the way along the Southern US border, and then turn it into a Huge Military Reservation...

This does two things... gives a place for the Military to play, but also puts all that Land under FEDERAL Jurisdiction, where the Military CAN enforce Federal Law.

43 Crockett/Tubbs 2012! Four years of pastel colors and Ray-Bans!

44 >> Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 20, 2011 12:17 PM (SY2Kh)

I started to make that same point on the Gunwalker thread addendum, but it was getting so long it was beginning to look like one of Ace's movie reviews.

The "assault weapons ban" was a joke based purely on meaningless cosmetics. Pistol grips. Bayonet lugs. Flash hiders. Etc.

The reason its expiration had no effect is that the underlying law didn't either.

45 Calderon needs to shut the fuck up. He presides over a remittances-based economy that props up a thin upper crust of mostly white, european-descended urbanites on the backs of poor, rural mestizos and indios. Anyone ever wonder about the etymology of the word, "caste?" I'll give a hint: We didn't get the word from India. Communists are filthy fucking animals. If aliens abducted every communist from this planet overnight, then the world would be several orders of magnitude better than it is now the following morning. But fucked up political systems like Mexico's provide *the* modern context in which the communists make a good point. Calderon needs to shut the fuck up.

46 Allen G. at #17 -

"The single largest organized criminal organization in Mexico is los Federales.  They're more corrupt than a room full of Democrats who think the microphones are off."

Agreed.

Frankly, the problem is that no one controls all of any Mexican government department.

I wish I could hang out and talk about this, because it's a hell of a story and important, but I have some work to finish.

47

The Feds should use it in this case to get control of miles of buffer all the way along the Southern US border, and then turn it into a Huge Military Reservation...

Prerferably sown with triple-strand concertina and high density minefields.

48 The amount of money sent to Mexico each year is 15+ times the size of the Nasa budget that now no longer has a space shuttle and we have to mooch rides off the Russians.

49

Calderon endorsed calls for reinstating the ban on domestic sales of assault rifles, saying its expiration in 2004 may have played a role in the increase of drug violence in Mexico.

Seems to me he isn't talking about the U.S. government selling the Mexican drug cartels weapons, he wants Americans to be stripped of the ability to defend themselves against Mexcan illegals who enter the U.S.

50 Well, at least we're not smuggling electron beam weapons to the narcs. We need those for our high-speed rail gun locomotives.

51 >> I am not normaly a fan of Emminent Domain... but... The Feds should use it in this case to get control of miles of buffer all the way along the Southern US border, and then turn it into a Huge Military Reservation...

I like Dennis Miller's idea. We should just build a tall, skinny mosque along the border.

52
You guys remember the very beginning of Scarface?

It was a scroll of text explaining how Castro "released the dregs of society" and allowed them to escape to the shores of Florida.

That's exactly what Calderon is doing to us. He's dumping his low-lifes and degenerates on the United States. And he's using our own silly obsession with political correctness as a shield.

53 The amount of money sent to Mexico each year is 15+ times the size of the Nasa budget that now no longer has a space shuttle and we have to mooch rides off the Russians. I think I saw James Hansen and the ISS crew hanging around the Energia parking lot, looking for a lift to their day labor.

54 48 The amount of money sent to Mexico each year is 15+ times the size of the Nasa budget that now no longer has a space shuttle and we have to mooch rides off the Russians.

Posted by: shiggz at June 20, 2011 12:25 PM (mLAWK)

Yeah, and now they are talking about cancelling the Navys Railgun and main Laser Research....

But somehow we can afford High Speed Rail, which no one will use...

 

55 47

The Feds should use it in this case to get control of miles of buffer all the way along the Southern US border, and then turn it into a Huge Military Reservation...

Prerferably sown with triple-strand concertina and high density minefields.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 20, 2011 12:25 PM (sbV1u)

Bombing and gunnery range comes to mind, also.

56 Oh where have you gone Fernando Valenzuela A nation ( of sorts) turns it's lonely eyes to you

57 51 I like Dennis Miller's idea. We should just build a tall, skinny mosque along the border.

Would that be for all the Muslims crossing the border? 

58 But fucked up political systems like Mexico's provide *the* modern context in which the communists make a good point.

Slight Quibble: Political Systems like Mexico's are almost exactly what will come from any communist system.  Oh, not necessarily the ethnic part of it (though, that, too) but the part were a very few members of a different class get to lord it over all the peasants.  Yeah, that pretty well describes the USSR.

Indeed, if you look at such capitalist/democratic(or Republican) societies as existed in Marx's time, you'll see they provided much more freedom- even then- than what Marxism would ever provide.

Marxism is just taking any Feudal or Oligarchical political system and putting different people at the top.

59 31: That's some of what happened. Colombia has done major damage to the cartels there; the Cali and Medellin cartels are almost reduced to street gangs now. The Mexicans, who muled Colombian coke and heroin for years, simply stepped into the vacuum. A lot of the violence is due to effective US policing of major smuggling routes; the cartels are killing each other over the ones that are left. And, drug dealers being drug dealers, they rule what territory they own with atrocity.

60 Calderon is our hemisphere's Hamid Karzai.

61

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 20, 2011 12:28 PM (136wp)

Hmmmm, maybe THAT'S why the last round of base closures moved all the AC-130s from Florida to New Mexico.

Bush!  you magnificent bastard!

62

Just look at all the mexican illegals we're housing in our prisons, for example.

Calderon is not only ridding his country of tens of thousands of dregs, he's saving shitloads of pesos in prison/court costs.

63 Here's an idea: declare a 200-yard wide free-fire zone running from San Diego to Brownsville, and we give a free .308 Win to every American volunteer.  You'll have a secure border, right quick.

A friend of mine one commented to me, back in the Seventies, that he wished the Mexican government would go Communist; then the Russians would coming in and build them a wall.

Here's the reason Mexico always does so poorly in the Olympics: everyone in their country who can run, jump, or swim... is already here.

64 Mexico's long been a 3rd world corrupt piece of shit.

I give a rats ass about Mexico.  Revolutions are hard.  Mexicans need to stand up and start one.

65 60, YEP

66 WTF does a president or anyone from a foreign country have to say about our laws? Am I missing his standing here to file a lawsuit?

67 The correct terms are: "undocumented worker" and OMFG IT'S A GUN THAT OTHERWISE PEACEFUL DRUG CARTELS WOULD BE POWERLESS WITHOUT.*

*--The tracking of which will yield something or other.  The ATF has top men working on it.  Top.  Men.

68 I started to make that same point on the Gunwalker thread addendum, but it was getting so long it was beginning to look like one of Ace's movie reviews.

The "assault weapons ban" was a joke based purely on meaningless cosmetics. Pistol grips. Bayonet lugs. Flash hiders. Etc.

The reason its expiration had no effect is that the underlying law didn't either.

Posted by: Andy

 

I remember a weapons manufacturer pissing off Zombie Sen. Metzenbaum by holding up a .22 caliber rifle. It had a wooden forward grip and stock, and was semi-automatic, with internal room for a few rounds. It looked like the target rifle many of us used at Boy Scout camp. As he spoke to the Pharisees, he removed the forward grip, replacing it with a blastic plastic one. He then added a pistol grip, a folding stock, scope and added an external magazine.

Voila! He had a dreaded assault weapon. The Pharisees were not amused.

69 64

Just look at all the mexican illegals we're housing in our prisons, for example.

Calderon is not only ridding his country of tens of thousands of dregs, he's saving shitloads of pesos in prison/court costs.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 20, 2011 12:30 PM (sqkOB)

Reminds me of the good old days when Jimmuh Carter let Fidel ship the contents of every Cuban prison to the USA.

70 El Presidente should know... he supports exhaustive control efforts along his southern border...

71

If you like your tomales, gorditas, and tortillas...

 

72
Imagine if we could take the worst 5% of American citizens and dump them on Canada to house, feed, and deal with.

73 develop an economy that doesn't resemeble some 6 year old's lemon-aid stand. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 20, 2011 12:32 PM (OWjjx) Yeah maybe, but ya got to admit that little girl in the Verizon commercial did OK for herself

74 Reminds me of the good old days when Jimmuh Carter let Fidel ship the contents of every Cuban prison to the USA.

We did get Scarface out of that, however.

75 I like Tacos y Burritos!

76 "Marxism is just taking any Feudal or Oligarchical political system and putting different people at the top." AllenG, I understand that completely. My point was that leftist scum have to manufacture class outrage in this country (hence their near monomaniacal focus on race and sexual deviance the last decade or so). In Mexico, it's simply a fact of life. I would zero-out my savings if aliens ever came seeking a bribe to remove all communists from the earth.

77 Imagine if we could take the worst 5% of American citizens and dump them on Canada to house, feed, and deal with.

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to support your candidacy.

78 Mexico's long been a 3rd world corrupt piece of shit.

I give a rats ass about Mexico.  Revolutions are hard.  Mexicans need to stand up and start one.

Posted by: © Sponge

 

They've had several. The problem is that what came into power was no better. The American Revolution is still notable for being one of the first, and most successful revolutions, in that what it enabled was a stable, republican form of government. It still had a purge of sorts, when one considers the fate of over 10,000 Tories. But it was relatively benign when compared to other revolutions within the last 200 years.

79 Yeah maybe, but ya got to admit that little girl in the Verizon commercial did OK for herself

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 20, 2011 12:33 PM (i6RpT)

Never believe TV, here's the new reality:

An inspector in Maryland sparked a public relations nightmare when he ordered kids to shut down a lemonade stand -- and fined their parents $500.

80 Where poseur erg to enlighten us on our Mexican hass?

81

Charo makes my chalupa wiggle.

 

82 An inspector in Maryland sparked a public relations nightmare when he ordered kids to shut down a lemonade stand -- and fined their parents $500.


That.... and Verizon cant hold a signal for that long....

83 I have an Idea for a Movie. Machette meets Border Patrol agent John Rambo and his side kick, Walker Texas Ranger.

84

Mexico's long been a 3rd world corrupt piece of shit.

I give a rats ass about Mexico.  Revolutions are hard.  Mexicans need to stand up and start one.

They will, after the siesta.

85
speaking of racism...

so that story about the Obama impersonator getting yanked off the stage at the Republican leadership conference because he was making racist jokes was bunk?


The other side of the story is that the comic was yanked because he was hammering the Republican prez candidates.

86

I started to make that same point on the Gunwalker thread addendum, but it was getting so long it was beginning to look like one of Ace's movie reviews.

The "assault weapons ban" was a joke based purely on meaningless cosmetics. Pistol grips. Bayonet lugs. Flash hiders. Etc.

The reason its expiration had no effect is that the underlying law didn't either.

Yeah; it did have a major effect on the number of "assault weapons" sold though.  A lot of people- myself included- who would never otherwise have bothered to buy one jumped in and did so out of concern that they might be banned completely.

I do wish I had bought up more SKS rifles back when I could get them for $99 with a C&R FFL.

87
I suppose it would be difficult if not impossible to place a small explosive device and a GPS locator to determine location, and if it is fired in Mexico to detonate the explosive, maiming/killing the trigger puller.

It shouldn't take them too long to figure out that US weapons = unpleasant surprise and they'd stop trying to buy them...

88 Liberals like to dodge any serious argument about illegal aliens by screaming "RACIST" because that's the only tune they know. But the problem isn't that most of them are brown, but that they are illiterate and lack almost any marketable skills other than working shit jobs for no money. If a million Mexican cancer research specialists snuck into the US, it might be a different story. We are going to have a permanant, dirt poor underclass in this country that neither speak the language or respect the laws of this society. That will lead to more of what we starting to see now; schools, hospitals, and jails simply can't cope with the numbers, and we will have whole towns that don't even resemble an American city.

89 If Mexico's frustrated poor can't flee to the US to work and send remittances home, then the Mexican poor at home will lose a steady stream of income and be quite ready to cause domestic uprisings against the government. The crooked Mexican government knows full well that the US is a giant safety valve to get rid of would be dissidents.

90 RACIST!

91 Even better:
Close the boarders inbound and ship more guns to Mexico so the people there can overthrow the corrupt Mexican government.

92
The comic was on CNN this morning. Just caught glimpses of the interview, but it appeared that the CNN ninny-ette was pushing the racist angle.

93 Entitlements?  We'll give you a free assault rifle when you leave.

Win-win, baby!

94

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court on Monday blocked a massive sex discrimination lawsuit against Wal-Mart on behalf of female employees in a decision that makes it harder to mount large-scale bias claims against the nation's biggest companies.

The justices all agreed that the lawsuit against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. cannot proceed as a class action in its current form, reversing a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. By a 5-4 vote along ideological lines, the court said there too many women in too many jobs to wrap into one lawsuit.

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court blocked a federal lawsuit Monday by states and conservation groups trying to force cuts in greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.  The court said that the authority to seek reductions in emissions rests with the Environmental Protection Agency, not the courts. The ruling was 8-0.

I want so Gabe-analysis.  Kennedy seems full of beans today.

95 The sad thing is, even with all the BS in Mexico, their economy is growing faster than ours.

 Fuck you, Obama.

96

I do wish I had bought up more SKS rifles back when I could get them for $99 with a C&R FFL.

on that note, guns are so over priced right now.

97 I do wish I had bought up more SKS rifles back when I could get them for $99 with a C&R FFL. That and gold at $295 an oz. We would be in good shape.

98 I'm thinking Felipe would very much like to make it impossible for American citizens to shoot intruders into their homes, particularly along the border.

99
Mexicans need to stand up and start one.

Oh.... it's coming hombre....

100 Hey, about those illegal immigrants -- can they be taken into custody and put on work crews? There's about $800 billion worth of infrastructure work that still needs to be done.

101 But if we don't let them in, who will do my dirty laundry?

102
circa beats me by 2 minutes to the Scarface joke!

yeah, but just remember: we don't read the posts or comments at AoS

103

They've had several. The problem is that what came into power was no better. The American Revolution is still notable for being one of the first, and most successful revolutions, in that what it enabled was a stable, republican form of government. It still had a purge of sorts, when one considers the fate of over 10,000 Tories. But it was relatively benign when compared to other revolutions within the last 200 years.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 20, 2011 12:34 PM (6rX0K)

Well, the people that come to my country and get in my face screaming 'viva la Mexico' need to start another one.  It's not PC, or correct spanish, but if Mexico's so damn 'viva' then, what the hell are you doing here and why did you scratch and claw to get the fuck away from it?

This revolution needs to be against the cartels first.  THEN, and ONLY then, do you go after the government.  This is partially America's fault, because we won't secure our boarders and the billions of dollars that are sent back fund a LOT of that shit.

104 Sorry about the OT but this is a serious case of WTF: (Washington Times) — U.S. Department of Agriculture activists want to impose their intense brand of homosexual sensitivity training governmentwide, including a discussion that compares “heterosexism” — believing marriage can be between only one man and one woman — to racism... USDA officials have asked the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), which oversees all federal employee policies, to impose its gay-awareness programs on all federal departments, according to an internal newsletter. The training includes a discussion of “heterosexism” and compares it to racism. It says people who view marriage as being between only one man and one woman are guilty of “heterosexism.” Now, pushing the bizarre, radical custom of "one man and one woman, married," as a vile form of discrimination is not the surprising part, given our culture and this administration. But seriously... this comes from the USDA. The USDA?!? Brings a whole new meaning to the term "cornhole."

105

This post makes way to much sense to ever happen.

I actually like Suddam Hussein better than this Calderon asshole. At least Saddam had the good manners to admit what he was and what he was about and not act pious and demand we change ourselves for his benefit.  

106 103 Hey, about those illegal immigrants -- can they be taken into custody and put on work crews? There's about $800 billion worth of infrastructure work that still needs to be done.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 20, 2011 12:40 PM (WLKSn)

In China...

107 103 Hey, about those illegal immigrants -- can they be taken into custody and put on work crews? There's about $800 billion worth of infrastructure work that still needs to be done.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 20, 2011 12:40 PM (WLKSn)

Ummmm, shovel-uhhhhhhh, ready!

108 This needs to be said more often,

There is ZERO reason America is entitled to being rich or Mexico is doomed to being poor.  It's about what behaviors both culture and  system of government rewards.  That's it,  Big/small population and many/few natural resources etc.. are no guarantee of a countries wealth or squalor.

If America continues to adopt Mexico's culture of a corrupt hyper rich ruling class and a cultural mentalitiy of, "who has what I want and how can I take it from them" and a system of government based on crony state run capitalism and and laws that apply unequally to different groups.

And...

If Mexico adopted our past culture,  of "all but the truly helpless are on their own" with limited government with minimal goodies to hand out to businesses or individuals then in 50 years  Mexico today and America would trade places and look like the other today. 

Unfortunately what is happening is instead of both adopting successful models of government and culture under-girded by religious morals and responsibility in private and public life, we are both adopting the Mexican model.  Which is why each year America looks more like Mexico and Mexico looks more like Mexico.

109

Hey Wingers! You gotta give it up for Las Chicas de weather!!

http://tinyurl.com/kluvze

 

110 Posted by: Soothsayer at June 20, 2011 12:33 PM (sqkOB)

They would all be from the south.

111 I wonder if this will make it into Jackass 4?

112 Just think, how many of these issues would go away, if we could just figure out how to eliminate drug use.

No buyers ---> No sellers ---> No smugglers ---> No drug cartels ---> No cartels to sell guns to.

113
Work crews?!?!

Are you insane?? That's slavery!

When an idea was being floated to require MA welfare/housing recipients to do community service for their benefits, Barney Frank and some other turd-democrat (I can't remember who) said, "That's Slavery!"

114 From the last thread.

I have a better idea Calderone. If you are having a little problem with the difference in our gun laws, and that is leading to crime in your country. Instead of telling US what kind of laws WE should have and what freedoms WE need to give up to compensate for your countries lawlessness, why don't you instead secure your northern border so that illegal (in Mexico) guns can't be imported so easily.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 20, 2011 11:07 AM (0q2P7)

And I cant even get a HT. Suddenly Rodney Dangerfield comes to mind.

115

First of all, someone in a position of real power (looking at you Boehner) needs to step up and tell this jackass to shut the hell up. You don't walk around our country telling us what kind of laws we should and should not adopt, dumbass.

Second, I love how the liberal mind works. It's such an amazing instrument of illogic. It can't see past the very next decision and has no ability to reason. Case in point:

A. Criminalizing drugs and fighting a "drug war" has not worked. We simply can't stop the flow across the border and even though they are illegal people still buy them in great quantity with no regards for the law. We should de-criminalize drugs. It will be easier to control the problem if it's brought out from the underground.

B. WE SHOULD CRIMINALIZE GUNS!! THAT WILL WORK!!! Just forget the previous points I made about drugs, bozo. They certainly don't apply to guns, don't you know. Don't even bother thinking about it. Just trust me.

Wait, what? How do you believe in A. AND B.? I don't get it. No one should get it. Anyone with any critical thinking skills should be flabergasted by such thinking.

This was the exact argument used in a recent article by that stupid chick (Adams, or Abrams, I can't remember) who appears on the fantastic Free Speech TV. Never did it seem to cross her mind that she was arguing for what she was just arguing against in the previous sentence.

 

116 The military should make the border a 3500 mile long sentry gun testing facility.  They could call it the "Mexican Lottery"

117 113

Hey Wingers! You gotta give it up for Las Chicas de weather!!

http://tinyurl.com/kluvze

 

Posted by: Obamalito Perez at June 20, 2011 12:42 PM (pr+up)

Muy Caliente!

118 They would all be from the south.



Funny you should say that.

Guess which state has 1,540 families living in motels at the cost to the taxapayers of $2500/mo?

Rhymes with Assachusetts.

btw, that's about $50M/yr

119 And there's more

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court won't hear an appeal from ACORN, the activist group driven to ruin by scandal and financial woes, over being banned from getting federal funds.  The high court on Monday refused to review a federal court's decision to uphold Congress's ban on federal funds for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

120 118, You and your bullshit common sense, Please, stop it.

121 I want so Gabe-analysis.  Kennedy seems full of beans today.

I think those were both 8-0, so forget Kennedy: what's up with the other 3?  Are they supremely ticked at BO for something? (Let's be honest, we know that those three don't actually consult with the Constitution or actual legal principles when making judgements, so it has to be something emotional)

122

on that note, guns are so over priced right now.

Posted by: Ben at June 20, 2011 12:39 PM (wuv1c)

Ammo as well!

123
Motel rooms!

And this is what we put up with. Fifty mill a year down the drain.

124 88
speaking of racism...

so that story about the Obama impersonator getting yanked off the stage at the Republican leadership conference because he was making racist jokes was bunk?


The other side of the story is that the comic was yanked because he was hammering the Republican prez candidates.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 20, 2011 12:38 PM (sqkOB)

So...moby or no moby?

 

125 @franks

After prohibition ended the booze smuggling gangsters jumped straight into Unions.  Had any violence/theft/corruption issues with them lately?  Not sure where the drug institution would go into but it wont all good news.  Sorry that Genie is out of the bottle.

126 The only thing that will solve this problem is to arm everyone. Can't put the genie back in the bottle. Make it mandatory class for Senior year in high school. Give tax incentives to own and have open carry laws.

127 127, Yes but they don't have room service, yet.

128

The military should make the border a 3500 mile long sentry gun testing facility.  They could call it the "Mexican Lottery"

Call of Duty 6: No Man's Land

Coming to a Best Buy near you!

129 #116
It's easy:

Stop all welfare payments to anyone convicted of a felony

Stop all financial aid to any college clown convicted of any level of drug use

Legalize meth on special reservations and watch all the hippies, hobos, and crazy bikers do themselves in within a year out in the middle the deserts.

130

Ammo as well!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 20, 2011 12:46 PM (yrGif)

Know someone in Nevada, every gang (over 20,000 jerks) are stocking up on ammo. We may soon see the what's happening in Mexico spill over...

131

A. Criminalizing drugs and fighting a "drug war" has not worked. We simply can't stop the flow across the border and even though they are illegal people still buy them in great quantity with no regards for the law. We should de-criminalize drugs. It will be easier to control the problem if it's brought out from the underground.

B. WE SHOULD CRIMINALIZE GUNS!! THAT WILL WORK!!! Just forget the previous points I made about drugs, bozo. They certainly don't apply to guns, don't you know. Don't even bother thinking about it. Just trust me.

Wait, what? How do you believe in A. AND B.? I don't get it. No one should get it. Anyone with any critical thinking skills should be flabergasted by such thinking.

The same way that some believe that abortion is wonderful and the death penalty is always wrong. P.J. O'Rourke demolished this years ago. He said that he could understand people that opposed both, people that were in favor of both, and people that were opposed to abortion but were in favor of the death penalty. That most leftists are wild about abortion in all forms, and are usually against the death penalty speaks volumes about them.

132

I wonder how many jobs could have been created over the last 2.5 years building three steel fences, each topped with razor wire, with razor wire and landmines buried deep between each fence along the entire U.S. - Mexican border?

Too bad we couldn't find the money in the $5 Trillion dollars peed away the last three years.

133 We don't need a fence. Or a moat. We need exploding neck collars for those we catch and deport. Alto! Explosivo!

134 115 I wonder if this will make it into Jackass 4?

Posted by: Ben at June 20, 2011 12:42 PM (wuv1c)

Unfortunate...but not shocked.

 

135 I wonder how many jobs could have been created over the last 2.5 years building three steel fences, each topped with razor wire, with razor wire and landmines buried deep between each fence along the entire U.S. - Mexican border?


Quite a few since there are stretches of the Texas border that would kill you if you tried to hike it, more or less build a fence.

136 113:  Now there are some borders I'm all in favor of opening.  IYKWIMAITYD.

137 113:  Now there are some borders I'm all in favor of opening.  IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord©

 

Is #113 SFW?

138 I wonder how many jobs could have been created over the last 2.5 years building three steel fences, each topped with razor wire, with razor wire and landmines buried deep between each fence along the entire U.S. - Mexican border? You had me at three steel fences.

139

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 20, 2011 12:54 PM (6rX0K)

Yes

140 Is #113 SFW? Yeah, just trashy chicks in front of weather maps.

141 I try not to talk about immigration, because it isn't an issue I'm that knowledgeable on. That said, I don't really blame Calderone. He's getting rid of poor, unskilled laborers that Mexico's Government would normally have to take care of. Sure, that's dishonest to use the race card when they limit immigration too. But he IS doing what's in his Government's interests, and Mexico's economy is booming to some extent.

 The problem is on our side. We refuse to pursue OUR best interests. Partly because of white guilt and liberal claims of "imperialism" causing our wealth, but also because our regulations create an opening for low pay workers. If we had a device in which Americans of low skill or of a young age could work cheap for a few years, much of the demand for illegal workers would fall precipitously.

 I'm not saying we should repeal minimum wage laws, but maybe make them age/experience based. Minimum wage kicks in after "x" amount of job experience. Companies will pay more for good workers, young people will have simple jobs to get experience and illegal immigrants would have less of a loophole to "steal" jobs.

 I'm no expert on this, though, so bare with me if I'm wrong.

142 140 113:  Now there are some borders I'm all in favor of opening.  IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at June 20, 2011 12:51 PM (GBXon)

I knew we would see ojos to ojos on something!!

Margaritas and Coronas for evrybody!!!

 

143 Fuck Calderon and fuck Mexico.  WTH do not anti-illegal immigrant folks publicize Mexico's own draconian immigration laws and treatment of illegals from its southern borders???

144 "Yeah, just trashy chicks in front of weather maps." Heh. One man's trash. . .

145 Heh. One man's trash. . . Hey, I'm a moron. I swim gleefully in trash. Still... trash.

146 115 I wonder if this will make it into Jackass 4?


I'm no Jackass fan, but that sucks.

147 From Huffnpuff:

ATLANTA — Mexico and 10 other countries have joined the legal fight against Georgia's tough new immigration law, warning that the strict crackdown could jeopardize close ties between the U.S. and its Latin American neighbors.

Bring it. 

148 Just read a synopsis of the SCOTUS decision on the class-action...turning it down was 8-0, but there was an element that went 5-4 that just raised the hurdle for class action lawsuits.  From the looks, that's the real take.

149

Yeah, just trashy chicks in front of weather maps.

 

I will not tolerate any Maria Molina bashing!

_{^{...unless said bashing it is being done with my cock.}}

150 BTW, It's no coincidence that societies formed from British colonies have turned out well, for the most part.

United States, Canada, India etc

Spanish colonies? Not so much. Fuck Spain.

151
notice the word "tough"

The first rule of journalism: Do not editorialize.

152 I posted this on the other thread just before it died.

There is a very good article in the July issue of The American Rifleman magazine.

It talks about how much money the Mexican drug cartels bring in and where they would likely get their weapons.  Apparently fully automatic AK-47's go for about $55 on the black market and there are people (Like Viktor Brout who got caught) who have an entire delivery system of old Russian planes to deliver them anywhere in the world.  A gun runner was quoted in the piece saying that there are 10-12 million AK-47's in Yemen

A funny quote at the end of the piece "Imagine the head of the Sonora cartel-riding in his multi-million dollar bomb-proof Humvee-fresh from inspecting a DC-10 loaded with eight tons of cocaine.  He turns to his drug smuggling logistics expert and says 'I want you to go to Bob's Bait and Sporting Goods in Pima, AZ, and obtain for me a TEC-9.  I understand Bob is lax with his federal paperwork.'"

I'll email a link to Ace or the cobloggers once they put it on line.  The magazine just came in the mail on Saturday.

153 141:  The parts I saw, yes.

154 ATLANTA — Mexico and 10 other countries have joined the legal fight against Georgia's tough new immigration law, warning that the strict crackdown could jeopardize close ties between the U.S. and its Latin American neighbors.

I'm all for loosening the "close ties". These countries are like the roommates from Hell. Trash the place, destroy the furniture and walk away leaving you to clean up the mess.

155 ATLANTA — Mexico and 10 other countries have joined the legal fight against Georgia's tough new immigration law, warning that the strict crackdown could jeopardize close ties between the U.S. and its Latin American neighbors.

Bring it. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Uh huh. Have Mexico's laws jeopardized its relations with ITS' Latin American neighbors? Until we hear the answer to that question, kindly push off.

156  I'm not saying we should repeal minimum wage laws,

I am.  And not solely because of illegal immigration.  Minimum wage laws price teenagers and unskilled workers out of jobs they otherwise could hold, and incentivize much higher-skilled workers to stay in lower-skilled, less stressful jobs because they're still making enough money.  More-over, even once this evens out to some degree (usually takes a couple of years, if I understand correctly) it then leads to inflation as more people have more money to bid for good and services.  If you're not one of the ones whose job is now worth more (as most people in skilled labor), then your salary has, in effect gone down.

157 O/T: Congratulations to Slublog and the birth of his new son! http://twitter.com/#!/Slublog/status/82855001277480961

158 warning that the strict crackdown could jeopardize close ties between the U.S. and its Latin American neighbors.


Isn't that kind of the point?

159 The libs in Georgia are screaming and yelling about who'll pick the vegetables!11111!1eleventy!11!!!!

Love a local commenter in the paper who suggested getting the folks sitting on their asses drawing welfare checks to take those jobs. 

The screeching from the libs was hilarious.

160

Posted by: Obamalito Perez at June 20, 2011 12:36 PM

El Orejones = Jug Ears

161 Seriously, almost all of the "atrocities" done by Europeans were done by Spain and it's colonizers. And Spain royally fucked up all of it's property in the Western Hemisphere. Just compare British and French land to Spain's empire. It's insane.

 And yet, the British empire and it's "children" in the Anglosphere get the hatred. Why? I get the hatred of Europeans as a whole, but the Anglo world has been generally benign.

162 Slu's boys can swim!

163 It is a sight to see someone talk out of both sides of their ass. Posted by: CAC

Especially in Spanish.

164 O/T:

Congratulations to Slublog and the birth of his new son!

He is competing with Empire of Jeff for world domination!

165 "I'm not saying we should repeal minimum wage laws, but maybe make them age/experience based." Actually, we should. The illegal immigration problem is, at its core, labor bootlegging. All the attendant issues (crime, language, culture, raping social services, etc.) are very real problems, but the snowball that starts the avalanche is the naked fact that we cannot afford our own labor laws. FMLA, ADA, minimum wage, OSHA, unemployment insurance, payroll taxes, tolerance for crazyass tort lawsuits, and compliance with all the bullshit EEO laws have made labor too expensive for a number of industries to operate above board. Somebody ought to do an analysis of how much of the supposedly stagnant middle-class wages are eaten within above-board industries by the social-engineering employment bullshit we've accreted over the last forty years.

166 Congratulations, Slublog! 

167

What do these two things have to do with one another?

You shouldn't play on the downrange wall at the firing range?

168 Thanks hedgehog. I haven't gotten this month's AR yet but will be on the lookout for that article.

169 But seriously... this comes from the USDA. The USDA?!?

Brings a whole new meaning to the term "cornhole."

Posted by: George Orwell at June 20, 2011 12:41 PM (AZGON)

And it will be enforced with No Knock Raids from the Dept of EDUCATIONs SWAT Team (and yes folks, they DO have one...).

170 I am.  And not solely because of illegal immigration.  Minimum wage laws price teenagers and unskilled workers out of jobs they otherwise could hold, and incentivize much higher-skilled workers to stay in lower-skilled, less stressful jobs because they're still making enough money.  More-over, even once this evens out to some degree (usually takes a couple of years, if I understand correctly) it then leads to inflation as more people have more money to bid for good and services.  If you're not one of the ones whose job is now worth more (as most people in skilled labor), then your salary has, in effect gone down.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 20, 2011 01:02 PM (8y9MW)

 I generally agree with you, but I just feel it will never work. Most people are too stupid to understand that raising the minimum wage is actually harmful to the young and inexperienced. Believe me, I've dealt with this. I've been losing minimum wage jobs to people twenty years my senior, who got laid off, because I can't undercut their pay at all.

 I think creating some kind of "loophole" for young and inexperienced essentially declaws the negative impact without sounding like "OMG, he's trying to get rid of minimum wage laws!". It would negate the meme of people trying to "take care of a family" on 5 bucks an hour. Since the law would clearly be clearly intended for entry level positions. I'm generally not in favor of adding loopholes and complexity, but sometimes it might be necessary to bypass Jhon Q. Public's squemishness. It's just a thought that's original to me, though, and it probably wouldn't work. I like to be a political philosopher in my spare time.

171 Posted by: Crazee at June 20, 2011 01:05 PM (H3ujh)

It's because the unsuccessful hate success.  I mean, look at it: just who hates the Anglosphere?  That's right: the failed states in the rest of the world.  The non-failed states don't really hate us.  The French sort of do (but only sort of) and a lot of that goes back to "Europeans think 100 miles is a long way, and Americans think 100 years is a long time."  But even Nations that oppose us politically (dirty Scandi's, etc.) still don't hate us.

The hate comes almost entirely from failed states- largely, I think, because they're smart enough to see that it is our very freedom (something they could never countenance among their own people) that makes us so formidable.

172 There is a very good article in the July issue of The American Rifleman magazine.

Since I didn't renew my NRA membership over the Reid backing, I don't get the magazine anymore.  I have to seek my gun porn elsewhere.

173 Oh, and that idiot suit by a bunch of states to force higher emissions standards?  Yeah, that crashed and burned 8-0 as well.

We need a SCOTUS roundup thread.

174 The more I hear Rick Perry the more I like him.

The big questions is where does he stand on the immigration issue/problem?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

175 176 There is a very good article in the July issue of The American Rifleman magazine.

Since I didn't renew my NRA membership over the Reid backing, I don't get the magazine anymore.  I have to seek my gun porn elsewhere.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 20, 2011 01:14 PM (GTbGH)

Hopefully it'll be on line soon enough.  It shows what an absurd argument the Government is making here.

176 Gah, there's so much poor writing in that paragraph. Sometimes, proofreading is necessary online. I should learn that.

 Anyways, I'm just thinking in terms of political reality. Abolishing the minimum wage is less likely than completely neutering it with updated legislation. You could, essentially, make it a meaningless law because the people that it would apply too still(the experienced, the older) would already make WAY more than the minimum.

 

177 The big questions is where does he stand on the immigration issue/problem?

I think he's a softy at heart, good hardworking folks and all, but understands that no amnesty like changes will occur until the border is convincingly secure.

I can live with that attitude.

178

 I try not to talk about immigration, because it isn't an issue I'm that knowledgeable on. That said, I don't really blame Calderone. He's getting rid of poor, unskilled laborers that Mexico's Government would normally have to take care of. Sure, that's dishonest to use the race card when they limit immigration too. But he IS doing what's in his Government's interests, and Mexico's economy is booming to some extent.

Not really; most workers in Mexico are poor; most of those who come here are quite eager to work.

Somewhere around 20% of Mexico's GDP is in the form of money sent home from Mexicans or Mexican nationals working in the US.  If all the illegals were to disappear from the US today, Mexico's GDP would take a big hit.

Mexico doesn't really have the "social safety net" that Western countries do; if they can't find work, they go hungry.  I sympathize with their predicament, but Mexico needs to root out corruption, lose their squirmishness over foreign investment and ownership, and better protect property rights to generate jobs there in Mexico rather than relying on US jobs.

179 166 Slu's boys can swim!

Posted by: George Costanza at June 20, 2011 01:06 PM (djndZ)

If you like your ninos...

 

180 Blaming the USA is cheap.
Enforcing effective border control is not only expensive, but also unpopular.

181 Where's the WalMart and SCOTUS are the collective anti-Christ thread?

I'm loving the hyperbole on Twitter.

Wimmins, did you know you needed to get your patoots back in the kitchen?

182 NRA can pound sand right next to AARP.
Let them get their money from the mob like Reid does.


Time to go General Pershing 2.0.

We have no national security interest in Libya. We do in the American border states.

Create a 30 mile DMZ.

183 181 The big questions is where does he stand on the immigration issue/problem?

I think he's a softy at heart, good hardworking folks and all, but understands that no amnesty like changes will occur until the border is convincingly secure.

I can live with that attitude.
Posted by: toby928™

If he backs it up with action I'll support him.
Huntsman is DOA to me.  He actually thinks he can win the nomination?  For God's sake he worked in the O administration.

184 Create a 30 mile DMZ. Posted by: sifty at June 20, 2011 01:20 PM (iv/mK) Are we the North or South Koreans?

185 Yes we should repeal the minimum wage laws. Along with them repeal ALL the FDR depression era labor laws. They are ALL blatantly unconstitutional.

186 We're doing Mexico no favor by letting all the honest working people come here.  My understanding is that there are entire villages in southern Mexico where the only people left are women, children, and Ne'er-do-well men.

All the real men are up here trying to support their families back there.

187 We are the ones who pay the bills.

188 O/T  Great.  Another Obamabot to Fox News (from Politico):

Ed Henry, CNNÂ’s senior White House correspondent, is leaving to take the job of chief White House correspondent at Fox News, a source close to Henry confirms to POLITICO.

HeÂ’ll be taking over the beat thatÂ’s been without a permanent reporter since Major Garrett jumped from Fox to National Journal last August.

“He’s got a lot of wonderful experiences at CNN, and he appreciated his time there, but in the end, they gave him an offer he couldn’t turn down,” said the source.

HeÂ’ll be leaving CNN at the end of the week.

189

178 The more I hear Rick Perry the more I like him.

The big questions is where does he stand on the immigration issue/problem?

Well, he recently revived a proposal to crack down on Texas' sanctuary cities IIRC.  *warning, Huff Po linky*

Rick Perry Resurrects Measure To Curb Illegal Immigration In Texas

He can probably be dragged rightward on this issue. 

190 Scotus said that they could not depend on the opinion of a sociologist about Wal-mart's culture of misogyny. They wanted actual documented proof! Amzing!!

191 The big questions is where does he stand on the immigration issue/problem?

Rick Perry believes in Border Enforcement as a Criminal (that is: Felony type criminal)/National Security issue.  He doesn't care so much about rounding up and deporting illegals just because they're here illegally, and he's not all hot and bothered about them "taking our jobs", but he'd like to prevent them from coming across the border, and really wishes something would be done about the violence spilling over the border from Mexico.

He just supported (and, I believe, has just signed) a bill here in TX which would prevent cities from becoming so-called "Sanctuary Cities."  It's only enforced by withholding State funds (we don't give that much out to the States anyway, except for Education, and I think those funds were exempted from the bill), but it's a step.

All in all, I'd like him to a little more conservative on the matter, but he's relatively solid.

192 Create a 30 mile DMZ.

DeMexicanized Zone?

193

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 20, 2011 01:18 PM (SY2Kh)

I'm in favor of a Guest Worker Program.

You can stay as long as you have a Job, and Work Permit...

You pay taxes, then when the job is done, you go home.... but NO other benefits... and your children born here while in that status do NOT become US Citizens.

ANDDDD... you permit can be revoked for the breaking of any US Law.

194 The hate comes almost entirely from failed states- largely, I think, because they're smart enough to see that it is our very freedom (something they could never countenance among their own people) that makes us so formidable.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 20, 2011 01:13 PM (8y9MW)

Envy is part of it, but you see it from the Anglo world as well. Self hatred, from college campuses to politicians. Colonialism and Slavery were destructive, but you see educated people who put most of the blame on the relatively benign(the English empire) and no blame on the truly sadistic (The Spanish Empire/ The Arab Slave Trade).

 They even use Spanish blights to assault Americans, which is absurd. It's all clever word packing. First, they use "European" instead of any specific group. Then, they make reference to America being formed by "Europeans". All of a sudden, crimes of the Spanish EMPIRE are held as guilt against an English COLONY. Not even the English Empire, but a colony. Look at how liberals bring up the "crimes" of Christopher Columbus, as if it's America's fault what the Armada may have done.

 Oddly, the European descendants STILL control most of Mexico. Calderone...is , I believe, descended from a wealthy Spanish bloodline.

195 sock off.... lest I forget

196 dagny, you should read the twitter feed. These schmucks are hyperventilating.

It's most enjoyable.

197

Great, as soon as I utilize my Google-Fu:

Does the GOP want Perry's DREAM Act too?

/Discuss.

 

198 You can stay as long as you have a Job, and Work Permit...

We have one of those: it's called (alternatively) the Work Visa or the Green Card.  We have another one, too, it's called "The Student Visa."  It' supposed to be for foreign students to come over here- they're allowed to stay as long as they're in school and passing.

Neat, huh?  Now if only there were some manner in which we could enforce our own laws.  Something like the Police, but with national jurisdiction and a focus on Immigration and, oh, just to throw it out there, the Enforcement of Customs...

199 dagny, you should read the twitter feed. These schmucks are hyperventilating.

It's most enjoyable.

lacey,
Where to read Twitter feed please?

200 RICK Perry and Calderon met to get more illegal colonizers into Texas. 

201

I dislike Mexico, but I can't help by acknowledge the responsibility many americans as individuals and our governments policies have for the violence there.

Drug use and the war on drugs certainly aren't making things better.

202 by= but

203 mpfs, just google scotus. on the left hand gutter, click on 'realtime'. (if you don't see 'realtime' make sure to click the more link).

204 The difference between English and Spanish/Portugese colonies was that the natives were successfully employable as slaves in Central and South America while the North American natives were not.

205 It's bad enough that you greedy gringos took half of California. But did you have to take the half with all the roads and sewers and electricity? 

206 Thanks lacey!

207 Yes. By all means, El Presidente.

We'll take orders from a corrupt Third World backwater country that mutherfucks us every single time they get an opportunity.

 It's just a bonus that you supply poison to our population and send your uneducated peasants and criminals up here to burden our systems.

Here's the checkbook. Have Fun!

208 So here we are on SCOTUS day languishing in two threads on the same topic. Tell me Ace is in Epic Post Mode® and is not yet done with the mother of all class action discrimination lawsuit posts.

209 212 So here we are on SCOTUS day languishing in two threads on the same topic. Tell me Ace is in Epic Post Mode® and is not yet done with the mother of all class action discrimination lawsuit posts.
Just checked the que, looks like an epic Weiner thread is forthcoming.

210 Anyways, it's been cool discussing imperialism and minimum wage laws, but I need to get to my crappy ass job that I can't upgrade because laid off 40 year olds are stealing them. Darn it.

 Take care, guys.

211 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 20, 2011 01:27 PM (9hSKh)

Not as bad as it sounds, really.  IIRC, there was already something about that being handed down from the Supremes (not the full DREAM act- which the Texas Tuition bill isn't, really- but something similar).  The problem is that Texas, along with a few other states, have to be very, very pro-active about that kind of thing.  If such a decision were ever to come down from the Supreme Court (that States had to offer in-state tuition to children of illegals), and Texas didn't already have the law, Texas would be sued about 5 minutes after the ink was dry on the USSC decision.

So, at the time, with people thinking it was a "done-deal" anyway, it kind of made sense to do.  Also, it is in keeping with Perry's ideas on illegal immigration:  again, he doesn't care about the ones who are really here to work, or to the children (born here or there) of illegals.  He wants to stop illegal immigration as a means of crime fighting and national security.

Drug use and the war on drugs certainly aren't making things better.

Yep, that's it.  Demand for an illegal product and a country's efforts to curb the trade of said illegal product are exactly what's responsible for the sad state of Mexico.  It couldn't possibly be the Mexicans' fault.

That's really rather like saying it's the Johns' fault there are hookers.  Because, you see, there wouldn't be any if guys weren't looking for them...  And their pimps wouldn't be so bad if it were just legal...

212 Heh, Wiener thread up.

213 Just checked the que, looks like an epic Weiner thread is forthcoming.

Thought the Ewok had sworn off the Weiner after that last...incident?

214 "Drug use and the war on drugs certainly aren't making things better." I'd be happy to see us drop the war on drugs, but I will fight tooth and nail against that until I get assurances that substance addiction will never be classified a medical problem for which people are entitled treatment at taxpayer expense. My taxes already pay for warehousing addicts in prisons and giving them therapy. Drop the war on drugs, and those costs will skyrocket. What we need is an attainder law (to go along with all the other unconstitutional shit the leftards love so much): Any death that may result in prosecution should have to be tox-screened, and presence of any [currently] controlled substances should force the case closed as "accidental" regardless of other circumstances.

215 Drug use and the war on drugs certainly aren't making things better.

Yep, that's it.  Demand for an illegal product and a country's efforts to curb the trade of said illegal product are exactly what's responsible for the sad state of Mexico.  It couldn't possibly be the Mexicans' fault.

That's really rather like saying it's the Johns' fault there are hookers.  Because, you see, there wouldn't be any if guys weren't looking for them...  And their pimps wouldn't be so bad if it were just legal...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

 

Exactly. If this were true, then why is the Netherlands starting to criminalize some forms of drug use?

216 Yes we should repeal the minimum wage laws. Along with them repeal ALL the FDR depression era labor laws. They are ALL blatantly unconstitutional.

Posted by: Vic at June 20, 2011 01:21 PM (M9Ie6)

 

Good thinking.  Let's make that a top priority.  Then the working class will finally shed the idea that the Right doesn't care about them. 

Oh, wait...

 

217 OT

A woman was arrested for trying to stop smart meters from being installed in her neighborhood.

The article says she has been:

documenting the strength of the powerful microwave pulses from ‘smart’ meters in San Francisco






Have you guys heard about these 'microwave pulses' associated with these meters?

218

I smell like Ciudad Juárez after Cinco de Mayo and 6 inches of rain.

Help.

 

219

Exactly. If this were true, then why is the Netherlands starting to criminalize some forms of drug use?

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 20, 2011 01:38 PM (6rX0K)

 

Portugal decriminalized some years ago, and so far the reports have been positive.  Addiction down, crime down. 

It's time to stop with the do-gooding - if people want to self destruct, let them.  The cheaper and faster they can do it, the better.  Plenty of folk drink themselves to death, but we learned that Prohibition was not worth the cost.  At the very least we should begin with the softer drugs and work our way up from there.

Here again is an area where real federalism would be great.  Some states could decriminalize and test the theory.  If it failed, the other states would be unaffected.  I certainly can't see why we need narcotics to be a federal issue.  There was once a time where various now-illegal hard drugs could be bought OTC - and the country didn't implode.

220

To recap discussions from the last several years -

Illegals come to America because Mexico sucks.  The issue with Mexico is not any US law or influence; the issue is that the Mexican government sucks, which makes Mexico suck.  Ergo, for the Mexican president to blame his government's suckitude on US laws is really silly. 

Calderon needs to shut the f*ck up and fix his own country. 

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I'm in favor of a Guest Worker Program.

You can stay as long as you have a Job, and Work Permit...

I agree.  While there are illegals who are taking jobs from Americans, it is also true that there really are jobs that Americans just aren't very willing to do.  A lot of farmers currently rely on illegals for harvesting crops and such; there aren't too many Americans who want to spend a month working a field in the middle of nowhere picking crops under a hot sun for $10 / hr.

A temporary work permit that would allow migrant workers to come work the harvest season (as one example) legally and under limited circumstances would be worthwhile.

222 Mexicans murdering Mexicans in Mexico:  Mexicans and Mexico blameless.  It is all the fault of the Americans.

So sayeth the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Honky.

223 Hey, Felipe -- how about we talk about your border with Guatemala first.

224 It's time to stop with the do-gooding - if people want to self destruct, let them.  The cheaper and faster they can do it, the better.  Plenty of folk drink themselves to death, but we learned that Prohibition was not worth the cost.  At the very least we should begin with the softer drugs and work our way up from there.

See FTL's post @218.  If you can guarantee for me that my tax dollars won't go to providing medical/detox treatment to all addicts, I might (might) agree with you.

I'll also point out that the Netherlands said roughly the same thing when they decriminalized back in the early-mid nineties (I think that's right... I vaguely remember the discussions about it back then).  And now they're trying to de-decriminalize at least some of them.

Had we never criminalized drugs in the first place, it might all be different, but we did, and it isn't.  If you just say:" Go ahead, do whatever you want" some of that "whatever you want" is going to be things substantially "harder" than marijuana, and you won't just "self-destruct."

Further, if we really believed in Federalism, I might agree that letting some have legal drugs and others not might (might) work.  But we don't- the rest of us would be on the hook for WA and CA when their economies implode further because no one will get out of the house except to go buy Cheetos. 

I've got more that I could add, but I'm in danger of rivaling an Ace Movie Review as it is...

225 Hollowpoint - there are Americans to do the work, but 1) they cost more 2) more paperwork 3) require more management. On the land I lease out farming I have a strict covenant on hiring illegals -- the farmers bring in these religious kids on subcontract and knock it out. They say directly hiring a bunch of workers is PIA and the religious kids aren't that much more then illegals.

226 The event depicted in the first picture could be alleviated with rubber bullets.

227 Having already established that what should happen is that Obama and Holder spend the rest of their lives getting homosexually raped for their murderous attempt to start a pogrom against gun owners, ...now let's ask the more important question: What will happen? Is the fix in? Will Congress pass draconian gun control laws now?

228 I agree.  While there are illegals who are taking jobs from Americans, it is also true that there really are jobs that Americans just aren't very willing to do.  A lot of farmers currently rely on illegals for harvesting crops and such; there aren't too many Americans who want to spend a month working a field in the middle of nowhere picking crops under a hot sun for $10 / hr.

Who decides which jobs these are? In my area, there are no longer many other than Hispanics who do construction jobs that you wouldn't have seen a migrant doing 15 years ago. And we are not a border state.

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Yep, that's it.  Demand for an illegal product and a country's efforts to curb the trade of said illegal product are exactly what's responsible for the sad state of Mexico.  It couldn't possibly be the Mexicans' fault.

I didn't say wholly responsible, I said partially.

And yes, where do you think these billions upon billions of dollars the drug dealers have are coming from?

Coke heads in California, New York City, etc etc.

The people using these drugs do bear some responsibility.

I think Mexico would be screwed up regardless, but it wouldn't be this violent if not for the immense profits related to drugs.

230 Just got power back after an hour. Hottest day of the year here today and we lose damn power. 103°F outside now and it hasn't reached its peak yet.

231 Good thinking.  Let's make that a top priority.  Then the working class will finally shed the idea that the Right doesn't care about them.

Who believes that the Fair Wage and Labor Act actually helps the working class?

232 A bit about minimum wages--these are supposed to be ENTRY level wages, as I've been given to understand. No one is expected to spend their working life AT this level. So to continue to raise them posts imho, an expectation that the recipient will continue at that entry level for his/her entire career.

  How does this not remove any incentive to do better?

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Posted by: kdny at June 20, 2011 02:15 PM (C4bBq)

Yeah, had a new roof put on my place in Denver... went with a local company...

Nice White local guy for the sale, then the roof was put on by a crew of subcontractors, only ONE of which spoke English.

They did a good job, but the week before I had been at a Vet Organization Job Program meeting, where out of the 25 there, 7 were out of Work Carpenter/ housing guys looking for work.

234 I think Mexico would be screwed up regardless, but it wouldn't be this violent if not for the immense profits related to drugs.

I disagree.  I think those addicted to (relatively) easy money and power would find some way to get it (which also means fighting over it) regardless of the vector.  If not illegal drugs, then human smuggling.  If not human smuggling, then outright slavery.  If not those, then "old school" mob activities like book-making and "protection" rackets.

The problem in Mexico is not drug buyers in the United States, it's a culture of lawlessness and corruption that no one seeks to change- only to insert themselves at the top of the pile.

235 Who decides which jobs these are? In my area, there are no longer many other than Hispanics who do construction jobs that you wouldn't have seen a migrant doing 15 years ago. And we are not a border state.

Posted by: kdny at June 20, 2011 02:15 PM (C4bBq)

Hmmm.... how about an Industry specific Unemployment number.... ie, if unemployment in said industry gets above 5%? (number to be figured out by people who know this stuff, but NOT the industry itself, must be the same for ALL industries) no Guest Workers...

236 Hmmm.... how about an Industry specific Unemployment number.... ie, if unemployment in said industry gets above 5%? (number to be figured out by people who know this stuff, but NOT the industry itself, must be the same for ALL industries) no Guest Workers...

Hmmm... how about it's an insane suggestion, and people should come here legally?

Really, why is it so hard for Conservatives to hold on tight to these two statements?
1: Minimum Wage laws are destructive due to the "overpricing" they cause in low-skilled labor or entry level positions.  They should be repealed.
2: Illegal aliens take jobs that Americans could be doing which would reduce our unemployment.

Even given that there are jobs Americans don't like to do: as long as there is demand for a given product, there will be demand for the labor to produce that product.  If workers can't be found (that is: there's not enough supply of labor), then wages will naturally rise on their own.  If supplying the product (including labor costs) is no longer profitable in the United States, those products will be produced where a profit can be made.  As soon as profit can be made producing the same products in America, again, those products will- again- be produced here.

237 "If workers can't be found (that is: there's not enough supply of labor), then wages will naturally rise on their own." Without having to get into the merits of the rest of your argument, this is the crack that everything falls into. Workers *can* be found. They are illegals. Without strict enforcement of our immigration laws, we make a grey area out of something that is black-and-white. The people who derive benefit from the situation massively outnumber the people who are harmed. This is a rule-of-law problem. But the core breakdown is that the social engineering employment laws have priced legal labor beyond what low-end industries can bear. Winking, nodding, and looking the other way on illegals has hidden this fact.

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And yes, where do you think these billions upon billions of dollars the drug dealers have are coming from?

Coke heads in California, New York City, etc etc.

Soooooo...it's the Blue States' fault?

Makes sense to me...

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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 20, 2011 02:34 PM (8y9MW)

I'm sitting in the middle of one of the largest agricultural areas of the US, the Central Valley of California.

Even WITH the huge amount of illegals which live here, Farmers are still having problems finding workers, because once they LIVE here permanently, they no longer can live year round, on the salary a seasonal job gives.

Importing labor for short periods of time would really help this problem, as long as they went back when done... problem is that its so expensive for them to get across the border, and so unsafe, that they stay.

Realisticly, we are going to have cross border agricultural workers... so why not make it an orderly LEGAL program?

Oh... and for the record, I'm also for cutting the numbers of LEGAL immigrants to this country... currently we do 1 million a year... which is too fast to assimilate.

240 that 12 gauge semiauto on the left of the screen is a USAS. It was  reclassified as a " destructive device" by the ATF in 1994. It is covered by NFA regulations, like a machinegun.  i seriously doubt it was purchased in the USA. FWIW

241 If conservatives were serious about border enforcement instead of just paying it lip-service, they'd organize boycotts of companies that use illegal immigrant labor.

242 Time for the mexican dictator to butt out of americas affairs and start taking care his own nations corupt goverment

243 It was  reclassified as a " destructive device" by the ATF in 1994.

Yes, isn't it amazing. A regulatory agency has the power to classify something as having "no sporting purpose" and therefore it becomes a "destructive device" and illegal to own.

This even though it was essentially a semi-auto shotgun, just military looking. This is the same gov agency involved in arranging these illegal strawman purchases.

244 If conservatives were serious about border enforcement instead of just paying it lip-service, they'd organize boycotts of companies that use illegal immigrant labor.

Posted by: JEA

So in order to get existing laws enforced, and to get our policy makers to follow the law instead of attacking the states, you propose attacking companies? That makes about as much sense as 'improving' health care by vilifying doctors and making it harder for companies to continue to provide health coverage for their employees.

 

Welcome back dumbass.

245 And if the SPAS was particularly reliable, I'd be upset.

It is a seriously cool gun, though. And I would have liked to have had one.

But it's illegal *because* it looks cool. How stupid is that?

I mean, it's not like it's deadlier than a Mossberg 590 or a Remington 1100.

Next thing you know, they'll ban berets, because they look cool. And what will the hipsters do then?

Also, why was an AR-15 an "assault weapon" and a mini-14 not? Because the Mini-14 didn't look cool.

This is why rebels are cool. Everything cool is illegal.

246 Rick Perry draws the people over the wall with his illegal in-state tuition give away.

247 Sure, every Mexican crook could exercise a little free will and go straight, but the economic incentives motivating those scumbags destroying Mexico are being provided by the heartless cokeheads from north of the border. Calderon should go up to Netroots and deliver that little truth to the customer base.

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Mexico is and always has been a distopian disaster area of corruption and incompetence. Even if zero guns got to Mexico from America is there anyone dumb enough to believe the gangsters wouldn't have access to guns? In point of fact most of the gang guns for the drug lords are shipload purchases of smuggled stuff added to the firearms sold out the back door of police and Army armories. Those are facts.

Calderon - you can kiss our collective America ass, beaner. Clean up your own damn house before you come here accusing us of anything.

To the US government, clean up YOUR house - guard the border, delete all the drug laws and treat addiction as a health problem that it is.

Yeah. Sure. As if I'll ever live to see that day.

249 From what I can find on Wiki the murder rate in Mexico went down after the Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. 2000 14.11 2001 13.94 2002 13.04 2003 17.5 2004 11.1 2005 10.6 2006 10.8

250 The Feds should use it in this case to get control of miles of buffer all the way along the Southern US border, and then turn it into a Huge Military Reservation...

Something on the order of 60-80% of border zone is federal land, be it Bureau of Land Management or National Forest.

251 I'm sure his real worry is that it would be cruel to make him take 20 million people who have no loyalty to Mexico, etc.  Think of the demographic shift, it would change the nature of everything politically.  Or, perhaps, if the country actually allowed people their constutional right to bear arms (it is in the Mexican constitution as well) perhaps whatever arms might flow over the border wouldn't matter.  The NRA's warning about only outlaws having guns seems to be proven south of the border.  Of course, rather than admit their own policies are wrong, they instead double down and say if only you got rid of guns too... same general argument with Socialism- it doesn't work because not everyone is using it, or because we aren't socialism-ing hard enough.

252 I kind of feel sorry for Calderone.  He clearly doesn't control his country and can't trust anyone in his government.  This forces him to try to deflect attention from his failures onto some other forces over which he has no control and therefore no responsibility.  Mexico is coming dangerously close to becoming a failed state, something that the US can't allow on its' border.

253 If only these problems could be diminished by building some kind of fence-like structure...

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255 Black masks?  When I see a black mask I see a bandit.  Period.  If those black masks are US BATFE agents then they are outside the law and are bandits.  You know this was an illegal op or they would ID themselves.

256 Or how about the state of Mexico actually follow its own constitution and cease denying its citizens the right to keep and bear arms?

The problem in Mexico isn't too many guns, but that criminals have a virtual monopoly on their possession.  When the average Mexican is armed to the teeth, the war there will be over.