December 29, 2011
— Russ from Winterset Not that I've got much to say, but I figured that I'd better weigh in because Kent Sorenson, the Bachmann Chairman for the State of Iowa who jumped ship to the Ron Paul campaign yesterday, is my State Senator.
In the process of knocking on doors last year, I handed out "Sorenson for Senate" brochures along with those for all the other candidates running. I've met him a few times at events, and he seems like a nice enough "dude next door"; however, this is the second strike against the man for me. I voted for the guy in 2010, because his opponent was an EXTREME liberal Democrat in the vein of Pelosi or Sheila Jackson Lee, and I'm all about "make sure the extreme liberal doesn't win". Not that I'm a Bachmann supporter, but even as someone who would have a hell of a time voting for Bachmann I still don't like to see him stab her in the back like this.
Back in 2010, Iowans were choosing between a "true believer" (Bob VanderPlaats, of the recent "Santorum Payola" scandal), and the "RiNO" (Terry Branstad, who previously governed the state from '82 to '98 ). Kent Sorenson VERY LOUDLY stated repeatedly that if Branstad won the nomination, he would NOT vote for the man, and would encourage all Iowa Republicans to vote 3rd party instead of falling in behind the nominee. Being the vindictive, RiNO d-bag that he is, Branstad then proceeded to totally destroy "true conservative" Sorenson and undercut his run against a very Liberal Democrat State Senator with a deep campaign chest.
Oh wait. That's not what he did. He actually campaigned for Sorenson. And Sorenson shut his piehole and took the support. Whoops. My bad. I guess wanting to help the Republican Party retake the Iowa Senate is another Godless RiNO tactic. What's the "Social Conservative" term for the concept of taqqiya?
Kent Sorenson likes to run his mouth about "righteous" candidates, but if the "wrong" candidate wins, he's got no problem with switching sides. He's also willing to take Michelle Bachmann's paychecks right up until the week before the caucus, when he pulls out his gas can & a zippo on his way out the door. I think this makes him an opportunistic politician who will sell his mother in order to get on the perceived "winning side", but it also speaks to the wisdom of Michelle Bachmann who trusted him to run her Iowa efforts. The only reason Kent Sorenson got to drop a bomb on Bachmann's campaign is because Bachmann herself GAVE him the bomb.
You remember how all the Christine O'Donnell hardliners kept telling us that it's better to lose an election than to win with the "wrong" candidate? Yeah, keep that in mind next November, especially if you're a voter in Iowa Senate District 37*.
*That's the District prior to redistricting. I'm not sure if it's keeping that number for 2012, or if it changes; however, I'm running late for work and don't have time to do the proper research right now. Anyway, you're pickin' up what I'm puttin' down, right?
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Yep, we're just like Muslims Russ.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 29, 2011 04:59 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:02 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: spongeworthy at December 29, 2011 05:03 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: SD at December 29, 2011 05:05 AM (m9enI)
first clue, not to pick him, but as she reminded us when Rollins backstabbed her,
she doesn't google her hires,
Posted by: randolph Duke at December 29, 2011 05:09 AM (AH8RI)
Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2011 05:11 AM (/ZZCn)
That was my take as well.
I really didn't see where ace was getting the "true believers will sink us" angle last night. It looks like a crass move on this dude's part, motivated by money/power rather than by ideology. Ron Paul is certainly not the next closest to Bachmann, ideologically speaking.
Posted by: Y-not at December 29, 2011 05:11 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: I'm not a witch; I'm fluffy! at December 29, 2011 05:12 AM (Lpgtj)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 05:12 AM (hiMsy)
In general, thinking about the clusterfark that is the Repube slate, I've come to the conclusion that the libs were more successful than anyone ever imagined in dumbing down education, esp. American history. These people can't preach conservatism because they don't understand and hardly embrace it.
And then again, you get R's who are just plain opportunistic dirtbags, like Sorenson, Romney and the majority of the Capitol Hill GOP.
Posted by: RushBabe at December 29, 2011 05:13 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at December 29, 2011 05:13 AM (JNqU9)
I wasn't around last night, so I have no clue.
However, I'll say that "true believers" are the only ones who are actually going to fix things (or even try, really). It will always be more "pragmatic" to try to keep the status quo and just slow down the creep of Big Government than it will be to oppose the free goodies people get and actually try to reduce Government's reach in our lives.
As long as the question is "pragmatism" vs "true believer" I'll side with the true believers.
That said, I think there are ways to be smart as a "true believer" and I believe we have a dearth of candidates who walk that particular line.
As a friend of mine said about D&D Paladins (before 4th Ed nerfed them): "Lawful Good does not mean Lawful Stupid."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:15 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: flintstone at December 29, 2011 05:15 AM (XEIx0)
Posted by: davidd at December 29, 2011 05:17 AM (FGq5b)
Look, I understand the argument about electability and not cutting off your nose to spite your face - but it is a two way street. First, you can't blame a candidate's loss entirely on "hardliners". If a candidate can't win a primary in his own party - with the amount of name recognition, organization etc. that Mike Castle had - does he really deserve to win? Maybe if a candidate like Mike Castle hadn't taken conservatives totally and completely for granted his entire career, he would not have had that problem. regardless, at the end of the day the candidate has to win the votes, and Castle failed to do that. Blaming "hardliners" is easy. blaming the candidate is tougher.
Anyhow, sometimes it does make sense to send a message to the Republican party - even at the cost of an election - b/c it does help to keep the party from moving to the left. Let's face it, the GOP would constantly move leftward as quick as it could if conservatives were not always fighting desperately to move it to the right. that is b/c going left is easy - making big promises, giving out gov't handouts, making the media happy are all easy ways to get re-elected. So, the natural instinct for every career politician is to do those things. So you have to have conservatives pushing back.
Now, we can argue over whether using the tactic for this seat or that seat strategically made sense. But at the end of the day, the stand would not be necessary if the GOP in general and any candidate in particular did not take conservatives (i.e., the base) for granted and piss on them so often.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at December 29, 2011 05:18 AM (sOx93)
Didn't you know? The Republicans take pride in being the party that doesn't require loyalty oaths.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:18 AM (8y9MW)
Looks like Kent Sorenson wanted to be on the winning team and not the losing one. What happened to loyalty?
Nor Luap? What happened to sanity?
Posted by: RushBabe at December 29, 2011 05:18 AM (tQHzJ)
So, basically, you want your crooked politicians to be honest and stay bought after they've been boght and paid for...
Conservatives and Republicans hae become good at only one thing, lately (over the last thirty years, or so) ...and they've become very, very good at that. Stabbing one another in the back, bought and paid for, or not.
Last week, everyone was beating on Paul. This week, you're beating on Bachmann's bought and paid for mover and shaker. The week before, you beat up on Romney. The week before that, Perry... A few month ago, Huntsman was on the recieving end of that childish malice. Next week's vicitm of the circular firing squad is...
(Note that while stick-to-it-tiveness and not being a quitter can be signs of a good character, when you haven't been in double digits in the polls in months, it might be time to gracefully resign yourself to the inevitable and withdraw from the race. Grace being a character trait that Bachmann and Santorum may be lacking.)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 29, 2011 05:18 AM (E7Z1r)
Of course nobody remembers Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist when we launch into a screed against purists.
Or the fact that Christine O'Donnell won the Delaware primary because Delaware Republicans voted for her over arrogant douchebag Mike Castle. No, she won because Sarah Palin had legions of out-of-state fundies vote illegally. Or something.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 29, 2011 05:19 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:20 AM (8y9MW)
Russ, any inside dope on how the cauci are shaping up?
What word is there going in Iowa about the attempts to disrupt the proceedings? I saw a couple of reports about OWS types being arrested and stating they were going to jam up the works.
Posted by: Have Blue at December 29, 2011 05:20 AM (IKTC8)
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 05:20 AM (NqRFe)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 05:21 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 05:23 AM (BsXKJ)
Posted by: davidd at December 29, 2011 09:17 AM (FGq5b)
Where it has always been. Right here in my wallet.
Posted by: Kent Sorenson at December 29, 2011 05:23 AM (Mf7mf)
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 05:23 AM (NqRFe)
Well, except that you also put scare quotes around "RiNO." Which makes them less effective.
If what you meant to say was "people pretending to be SoCons," then don't worry about it: you weren't doing the thing of which we were accusing you. On the other hand, if you're trying to lump this guy in with people like me (who believe that O'Donnell was a better choice than Castle, for instance) then we've got a problem.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Ben at December 29, 2011 05:26 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 05:26 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jame Gumb at December 29, 2011 05:27 AM (+OYc9)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 29, 2011 05:27 AM (IKTC8)
Actually AllenG, I was ceding a point to the O'Donnell supporters in this post. Sometimes, it IS better to whack a bad candidate than it is to support him in hopes that he/she will be controllable in office. I didn't think that O'Donnell was worthy of their support, but I never disagreed with that particular point. It's true.
And, much like "SoCon", "RiNO" is another one of those words that gets used without a lot of control over how it applies. The meaning of those words seem to slip & slide all over the field.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 05:27 AM (NqRFe)
The problem with that tactic is that the Opposition will always pretend/claim to be freaked out "too much," and will further claim that the Independents are as well. Since the Independents are almost all the politically ignorant (many by choice) there's not really a good way to measure that EXCEPT by taking your guy (or gal) to the contest.
In short: that's a stupid measure by which to pick a nominee for a race.
Put forward the person who best reflects your values. If the rest of the electorate is closer to the other guy, that's a sign. Not a good one, but a sign.
Again: that doesn't mean you pick stupid candidates, if you can help it, and there are ways to be smart about being a "purity" candidate. But you don't pick a RINO just because they're less scary than the actual conservative.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:28 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 29, 2011 05:29 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 05:29 AM (BsXKJ)
I still remember when he was three months in his first minor political office and publishing angry baseless creeds against US Senator Chuck Grassley. Not only did it come off as a "Look at me!" opportunist moment, much of what he contended was wrong.
This most recent move didn't surprise me at all, given his past. He wants to be the center of attention.
Posted by: CausticConservative at December 29, 2011 05:29 AM (gT3jF)
Ben, I'm volunteering to help out at one of the Madison County caucus sites, so I just might get to punch some Iowans for you. They'll probably be OWS types, so I can't guarantee that they'll be FROM Iowa, but I think the punches will get the Ben Seal of Approval no matter what their state of residence happens to be.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 05:31 AM (NqRFe)
Posted by: Joffen at December 29, 2011 05:32 AM (zLeKL)
Although, I like his negative ads, particularly against Grinch.
Seems Santorum, may be last man standing.
I missed why every one dislikes Santo? Outside his lack of charisma.....
Posted by: Iowan not for Paul at December 29, 2011 05:33 AM (CGHNH)
Some of us voted for Medina with the goal of making Kay Barely Republican come in last.
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 29, 2011 05:34 AM (SDkq3)
That Debra Medina is more conservative than Rick Perry. We're in Texas. It happens sometimes.
She didn't run as a complete loon (well, not initially, at least). As soon as she went complete loon, her support (such as it was) collapsed. That said- she's still more conservative than Rick Perry- just also a loon.
I think Christine O'Donnell is more conservative than Mike Castle. She also turned out to be a loon. This is a problem that social conservatives have- most of us are more interested in keeping our heads down and running our own lives than running for public office. That means a much higher percentage of total loons run as SoCons than as RINOs.
What doesn't help is that the few not-total-loons who run as SoCons get smeared by the party as "too extreme" or whatever. Seeing a run with little-to-no party support vs staying home and just rearing a family, we therefore choose to stay home and rear our families.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:35 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 05:36 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 05:37 AM (BsXKJ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 05:38 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 29, 2011 05:38 AM (SDkq3)
I don't think anyone "dislikes" Rick Santorum. He doesn't get my support because he's just this side of "openly hostile" to the 10th Amendment. For most people, he's just an unknown. A few others point out that he lost pretty handily in his last election (though I don't think that matters as much as some do).
If it came down to Romny v Santorum, I could throw my support to Santorum. If it came down to Santorum v Obama, I would crawl over broken glass, swim through a swimming pool filled with lemon-juice, and press myself against a hot branding iron to vote for Rick Santorum.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:39 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:39 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 05:41 AM (BsXKJ)
Posted by: Kent Sorenson at December 29, 2011 05:41 AM (hGb5f)
He shoulda gotten out of there like I did!
Posted by: Mitt Romney, 48th most popular governor in 2005 at December 29, 2011 05:44 AM (TpXEI)
Bachmann's received more stabs than a cruise ship magicians muse: Citizens for a Working America spent 475,000 on behalf of Romney last month. This superpac was formed after Bachmanns strawpoll win to support her candidacy..
Posted by: Bannable at December 29, 2011 05:45 AM (nYENA)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 05:46 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 29, 2011 05:46 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Iowan not for Paul at December 29, 2011 05:47 AM (CGHNH)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 05:50 AM (BsXKJ)
Possibly.
With Debra M, I'll readily admit that happened as she first went full loon. After that, my point in voting for her (yes, I did) was a protest vote to try to move the state party yet further to the Right. I was really unhappy (as were many conservatives) with the way Speaker Strauss had run that previous legislative session in 2008. I (and others) wanted the State Party fully aware that we weren't interested in "compromise" for its own sake- but only in actual pursuit of conservative goals. It's not like she was going to win, after all. But a vote for Perry in the primary was a vote for the status quo- I didn't want that. A vote for KBH was a vote for a more liberal party- I absolutely didn't want that.
With Christine O, I'm not so sure. Part of it may have been distance- it's hard to get a read on how she really ran and how she really appeared on the ground there, because all we ever heard (more or less) were the most extreme and egregious examples of her moon-bat-ary. That, and the spittle-flying rage with which she was denounced by the "pragmatism" brigade made me much less willing to believe that she was that much of a moon-bat. It was only once she continued doing such stupid things after the campaign was over that it became clear that she was really a loon, and that it wasn't just some over-reaction from the squishes in the party.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:50 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 29, 2011 05:51 AM (zLeKL)
No. Though it's tempting
IF I thought it would be a close race in Texas, I would vote for Romney in the General. Since it almost certainly won't be, I probably would not (basically just skip the Presidential portion of the ballot), and would vote for conservatives in down-ticket races.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 05:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 05:54 AM (BsXKJ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 05:54 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 29, 2011 05:55 AM (oB2II)
signing up Rollins and Sorenson, indicated her caliber and poor judgemtn
Posted by: randolph Duke at December 29, 2011 05:57 AM (AH8RI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 29, 2011 06:00 AM (kOo+6)
Posted by: mike at December 29, 2011 06:00 AM (TA4vQ)
but even as someone who would have a hell of a time voting for Bachmann I still don't like to see him stab her in the back like this.
What the actual hell is wrong with people? No, seriously, what the hell is this guy thinking doing this and what the hell will anyone else who ever hires him again ever be thinking when they do so?
Gah. I'm starting to understand my friends who hate politics and refuse to pay attention to it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Meteor at December 29, 2011 06:00 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 06:00 AM (BsXKJ)
I think the problem is that what makes sense for many candidates electorally is the exact opposite of what makes sense for them financially.
Ron Paul has a huge following of book-buying, speech listening, fellow conspirators who eat up everything he says. He has made millions on this weird group. Even someone like Palin, who I don't think to be a bad person, got caught up in reality TV shows and the media cycle rather than her job to her eventual political demise.
This is true of Gingrich, Bachmann, and Cain as well this cycle. These three have shown a great talent for taking positions that set them up for 'lobbying', book and speech tours, political fundraising, and TV/radio.
I'm not saying there is something wrong with making a buck, but it is true that for many of these candidates that lose more with party unity than they gain. Creating political niches for themselves as more truthful, conservative, and 'the only candidate who...' has been very lucrative
Posted by: Paper at December 29, 2011 06:00 AM (IvlIt)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 29, 2011 06:01 AM (OHhPo)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 09:54 AM (hiMsy)
Yes! I think that if she had taken a different tack with that and gone with a "Full Python" response to that (painting the opposition as the villagers) she actually could have used it to her advantage.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:02 AM (OtQXp)
Things are so nice when Obama is on vacation. Don't have to see his traitorous face and the whiney childish voice. Nice that he is on vacation in Asia. Please don't come back. I will tell you what Obama, I will accept a tax hike if you just never come back !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Wall_E at December 29, 2011 06:03 AM (48wze)
But calling Paul a left winger? Is that warranted? Is that even true? It's surprising the number of educated people who like ron paul. Sure they give you the caveat of the foreign policy thing because it isn't acceptable in the war hawk environment in which the republicans live for one to want isolationism but the American people seem to crave isolationism It may not be correct by republican/conservative standards but the American people want the world to go away. They want to concentrate on America and jobs and the economy and they don't want to have to deal with anything but themselves, hence the ron paul consideration..
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 29, 2011 06:03 AM (oZfic)
Let me clear it up for you, polynikes: I think less of Mittens Romney than I do of Kay Bailey Hutchison. I think less of Mitt Romney than I do some of our trolls. I think he is a Big Government Liberal who has figured out that good words on things like Government Spending and Balanced Budgets are enough to get some people to support him as a conservative, but that his natural proclivities are are more government and less liberty.
I will ONLY cast a vote for Mitt Romney if I believe Texas will be a close race between him and Obama, and even after that I'll probably have to find a vomit bucket.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:04 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 10:04 AM (8y9MW)
This!
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 29, 2011 06:06 AM (mFxQX)
My problem with RP more than anything is the judgement and character.
He pals around with Alex Jones and some of the most paranoid, conspiratorial people on the fringe, then pretends that everything strange about his views is only due to people not appreciating the Constitution.
He knows exactly what he is doing and who he is speaking to in these venues. He likes it because he believes it. The connection between the Federal Reserve, foreign wars, and all of his other 'RP issues' is a shadowy cabal of global banking elites. I don't think someone who thinks that is how the world works is fit to be in office.
Posted by: Paper at December 29, 2011 06:07 AM (IvlIt)
I'm tired of this meme.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 06:07 AM (GTbGH)
Of course Sorenson jumped to the Paul camp, Paul is going to win Iowa.
This isn't rocket surgery folks.
Posted by: flyonthewall at December 29, 2011 06:08 AM (aZ7lL)
Posted by: Joffen at December 29, 2011 06:08 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2011 10:07 AM (c9Ivb)
Hopefully the "sharpie" is either permanently unemployed or doing equally brilliant work for the Democrats.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:09 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:09 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 06:09 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: randolph Duke at December 29, 2011 06:09 AM (AH8RI)
79 I will ONLY cast a vote for Mitt Romney if I believe Texas will be a close race between him and Obama, and even after that I'll probably have to find a vomit bucket.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 10:04 AM (8y9MW)
Whether it is Mitt, Newt or that stuttering idiot Perry, IÂ’ll be sending them money and banging on doors in the general election.
Hopefully, someone will jump in that I can really get excited about.
Posted by: jwest at December 29, 2011 06:10 AM (8moZm)
If Paul wins Iowa, he will raise even more money than he is already, and I would expect that he and Huntsman will attack Romney unrelentingly in the week following.
Paul could win around 30% of the vote in NH, and make it close.
This is trouble. He will not just fall away in NH like a Pat Robertson, he appeals to the non-Republican voters in primaries.
Posted by: Paper at December 29, 2011 06:11 AM (IvlIt)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 06:12 AM (BsXKJ)
Yeah, politicians are whores that fuck you without having sex.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 29, 2011 06:13 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Blue Hen
That's right. I think we even knew a few days in advance that the ad was coming, and were all waiting with bated breath. Oooops.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 06:14 AM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:14 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)
Look how long Ron Paul ran under the radar, before he got exposed for the loose lug-nut that he is.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 06:16 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:16 AM (Ho2rs)
Yeah. Way back in 2008.
People who have paid any attention already knew Luap Nor was a loon. I'm not sure why people are so surprised by it now.
As for vetting "all the people running their campaigns," they should make time to properly vet at least the people running their campaigns in each State, wouldn't you think?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
#93
It isn't irony. He has given conservatives no reason to think that his statements on issuing 'waivers' or 'giving power back to the states' will involve something other than mandates.
What if President Romney issued a waiver that allowed states to be exempt from ObamaCare as long as they met certain coverage requirements? Or President Romney could say that he supports a mandate with fewer penalties for non-converage? Whatever it is, be assured that he will find some role for mandates in this. It is an organizing principle of his view on health care and he has consistently repeated it again and again. He doesn't have to directly support a federal insurance mandate to construct legislation that will make that the only reasonable 'choice' for states to pursue.
The fact that Gingrich is the person who rose to challenge him made this all easier. What can Gingrich say on this issue?
Posted by: Paper at December 29, 2011 06:18 AM (IvlIt)
Allen, I'm not sure how you feel about Romney, will you please be more specific?
I just read Geraghty's piece on how to do the primary and it's logical and makes sense. That pretty much dooms it to never ever being followed. I do think it goes a bit too long since that leaves only a few months for national campaign by the candidate but that's quibbling.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Meteor at December 29, 2011 06:18 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 06:18 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 29, 2011 06:18 AM (UEEex)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 29, 2011 10:12 AM (BsXKJ)
Party and movement will not be responsible for the dreck Obama will do, but we will be held accountable for the clusterfuck that would be a Romney administration. I dont like that thought and I especially do not like it, if I add the possibility that we might lose congress in 2014. Willard home alone with the Dems? Yikes!
Posted by: Ron! Paul! at December 29, 2011 06:18 AM (I3YUI)
No. I don't particularly want to get banned.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 29, 2011 06:20 AM (I3YUI)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 10:14 AM (Ho2rs)
Your preoccupation with me is truly scary. I'm perfectly willing to admit that my apartment, though the size of your closet, is worth more than your arizonia mansion and estate. Even in an economic downturn and even in this real estate market. Your obvious jealousy is bordering on an unnatural preoccupation. Why not give up the ridiculousness and just let the threads be clear of this. You ruin them for the readers. You don't have to read my posts, just skip them, try to act like an adult.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 29, 2011 06:21 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 06:21 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Iowa at December 29, 2011 06:21 AM (oPkw3)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 10:16 AM (Ho2rs)
From what I've seen of Laup Nor his supporters are mostly either pot farmers or meth lab operators, and that is the only thing I can think of that's remarkable about him- the fact that he's found a way to unite hippies and Hell's Angels. Well that and the fact that he's bat-shit crazy...
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:21 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:22 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 06:25 AM (niZvt)
Didn't we discuss this theory yesterday?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 10:22 AM (8y9MW)
Yeah, but the conclusion was the other way around. So I think this matter requires further study...
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:27 AM (OtQXp)
I, for one, don't like you. You're ridiculously provincial.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 06:27 AM (GTbGH)
This guy has an answer for people who feel it is enough to say what you just said: "Why the establishment really fears Ron Paul"
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 29, 2011 06:27 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: cat piss theory at December 29, 2011 06:28 AM (hGb5f)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:28 AM (Ho2rs)
You're right. We need more pics.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:28 AM (8y9MW)
"Between now and Nov 2012, support your Republican Candidate no matter who he/she is ( except for paul) but say no evil about another Republican. That helps no one but obama."
Yes, we must not speak evil about another Republican.
We must also not let social security become a Perry scheme. Or anybody 'zany' like that guy who has been divorced.
Posted by: Mitt Romney, the 48th most popular governor in 2005 at December 29, 2011 06:29 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 06:29 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 10:28 AM (8y9MW)
And a government grant...
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:29 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 06:30 AM (niZvt)
So, I guess what you're saying is, when a candidate gets shat upon by one of their campaign staff, it's the fault of the campaigner?
Your logic escapes me.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 06:32 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 06:33 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: dip shit ah at December 29, 2011 06:33 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: mike at December 29, 2011 06:34 AM (TA4vQ)
Heh! I think that "What's your IQ?" may become a new "opening line" for Morons.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:34 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 06:34 AM (niZvt)
When they're that high level? Yes.
Character matters. Character is something for which people should be "vetted." If a campaign staffer has the kind of character that would allow them to back-stab the candidate like this, they shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
I'm not saying they have to vet every staff member. When your web designer back-stabs you, that's one thing. When the head of your campaign HQ in a state back-stabs you, that's something completely different.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 06:35 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dipshit theory ah (oZfic) at December 29, 2011 06:35 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: AytchMan at December 29, 2011 06:35 AM (L/NoR)
Yeah, but the conclusion was the other way around. So I think this matter requires further study...
*sigh* I suppose that I can be forced into undertaken this study, given a sufficient government grant. Sometimes my caring helperness is a curse.
At least you've got a pair of your own to play with!
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 10:29 AM (niZvt)
I believe the best, most mature response is hahahahahahaha I do! Neener neener neener!
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Meteor at December 29, 2011 06:36 AM (VtjlW)
Which makes me really concerned about the sign for him I saw in the neighborhood...is two or three blocks a safe distance??
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 29, 2011 06:37 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: nickless at December 29, 2011 06:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:40 AM (Ho2rs)
I fear it's inherent. Just as bureaucracies are inhabited by bureaucratic men, positions of power are mostly sought by people who want to use it.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 06:40 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 06:40 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 06:40 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: SarahW at December 29, 2011 06:41 AM (LYwCh)
Which makes me really concerned about the sign for him I saw in the neighborhood...is two or three blocks a safe distance??
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 29, 2011 10:37 AM (XdlcF)
You might want to tape your windows just to be sure... :-)
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:43 AM (OtQXp)
I don't recall any of you clowns running around, waving your arms, and telling Michele Bachmann to watch out for the idiot that was gonna' take a shit on her,
isn't it.
Everyone's a genius on Monday morning.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 06:43 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: Mitch Dworkin, No Labels Just $$$$ at December 29, 2011 06:45 AM (BHM5V)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 06:45 AM (Gc/Qi)
Of course. Also, everyone who drives slower than me is an idiot, everyone who drives faster is a maniac.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 06:45 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:46 AM (Ho2rs)
At least admit that Hatch, Lugar, McCain and Specter do as much damage to the brand as the Bachmanns.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 29, 2011 10:01 AM (OHhPo)
Yeah. Ace. What a RiNO. I never really trusted that dude.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 06:47 AM (T4kFH)
or we really do know that all those shadowy dark forces are the problem.
All I know is that some shadowy dark force that was not me appears to have eaten all of my m&ms. Vengence shall be mine!
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Meteor at December 29, 2011 06:48 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at December 29, 2011 06:49 AM (wW/n0)
All I know is that some shadowy dark force that was not me appears to have eaten all of my m&ms...
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Meteor at December 29, 2011 10:48 AM (VtjlW)
I wonder if it could be the same shadowy dark force that drank all my bourbon?
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 29, 2011 06:50 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 06:50 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:51 AM (Ho2rs)
Yeah. Ace. What a RiNO. I never really trusted that dude.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 10:47 AM (T4kFH)
He doesn't go to church either.
I say we excommunicate him from the Purity Brotherhood.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 29, 2011 06:51 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:52 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: David Brock at December 29, 2011 06:54 AM (BHM5V)
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at December 29, 2011 06:55 AM (lpWVn)
Romney/...Perry 2012
[come on, toss me a bone]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 29, 2011 06:55 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:55 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 06:56 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 29, 2011 06:56 AM (mt5iA)
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 06:57 AM (GTbGH)
166 164 Harry and David went bankrupt this year.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at December 29, 2011 10:55 AM (lpWVn)
Then why do they spam my email every fucking day?
Posted by: jwest at December 29, 2011 06:57 AM (8moZm)
I bet it was the "Chocolate Covered Seafood Delight Basket" that did them in.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 06:58 AM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 06:58 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 29, 2011 06:58 AM (UEEex)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 06:59 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 06:59 AM (Gc/Qi)
I watched Michele, in the last debate, look Ron Paul right in the eye, and tell him his Foreign Policies were nuttier than fruit cake.
She's got more guts than all the rest of those Bozos put together.
The only thing, that cowardly little cockroach could do is, go on Leno the next night and make nasty remarks, when she wasn't there to defend herself.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 07:00 AM (9XykO)
I find great wisdom in that disturbing analogy.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 07:01 AM (GTbGH)
if it had ginger in it......
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 10:59 AM (Ho2rs)
Wait, I can order gingers from Harry and David? I don't remember seeing that in my catalog.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Meteor at December 29, 2011 07:02 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Harry & David at December 29, 2011 07:03 AM (oPkw3)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 07:04 AM (Ho2rs)
I think most prostitutes aren't yet thinking of any other penis except the one that is staring them in the face.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 10:59 AM (Gc/Qi)
Focus is the hallmark of a true professional.
Posted by: jwest at December 29, 2011 07:05 AM (8moZm)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 07:05 AM (Ho2rs)
"Last I checked there weren't a bunch of RINOS running around demanding absolute RINO purity from their candidates."
There are lots of people who demand a moderate candidate and fear 'extremists'. Most of them are in the party leadership.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 29, 2011 07:06 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2011 07:08 AM (Qjh0I)
Hmmm... I'm getting some inspiration (something that's been lacking for a few weeks).
Also, folks who read my blog- if you've got ideas for topics you'd like me to cover, let me know. I'm about out of my initial ideas, and I'm trying to put some more together.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 07:09 AM (8y9MW)
ever notice that nearly all AoS threads inevitably devolve into debates on the various candidates?
I miss the heady days of paul anka craziness
Posted by: Jones at December 29, 2011 07:10 AM (8sCoq)
Hence H&D is treading water with little time to vet and discriminate vendors products that are not up to old standards.
I seriously doubt they will ever be the vendor of the most amazing stuff available again.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at December 29, 2011 07:10 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 07:12 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 07:13 AM (Ho2rs)
My father often thought those one pound Hershey bars went fine with beer. On occasion I think he was right.
Posted by: Retread at December 29, 2011 07:13 AM (joSBv)
Huntsman has written off Iowa, and is concentrating on New Hampshire. He won't be quitting after Iowa.
Ok, then.
Up next, I shot a yeti.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 29, 2011 07:15 AM (B+qrE)
Bunch of ninnies and party-line voters around here, FFS.
Posted by: crow at December 29, 2011 07:15 AM (LakVK)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 29, 2011 07:15 AM (UEEex)
Luap Nor has no chance of winning the presidency.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 07:18 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 07:18 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Rich at December 29, 2011 07:19 AM (4rXvg)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 07:20 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 07:20 AM (Ho2rs)
You're looking for the "real" conservative?.. You're looking for smaller gov't?.. You're looking for cutting spending?. You're looking for someone who supports the military?
Make your case
I make my case, based on what people do.. Not what other people say they do.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 07:21 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: David Brock at December 29, 2011 07:27 AM (BHM5V)
Posted by: SurferDoc at December 29, 2011 07:27 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: Deety lurves when Cornhuskers get kicked back! at December 29, 2011 07:30 AM (RvDoQ)
Posted by: A. Coulter at December 29, 2011 07:32 AM (+FrDx)
If you look at the link the votes she missed were almost all since the Presidential campaign went into full swing. I'm guessing that she had info on the ones that she may have an effect on and skipped the ones she wouldn't once on the campaign trail.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 29, 2011 07:32 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 07:32 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 07:35 AM (8y9MW)
203 -
Problem with Bachmann is primarily was that she lacks executive experience. Add to that the indications that she was and is Romney's conservative female stalking horse in this race and you have a hard time convincing some of us to just look at her congressional voting record.
I suspect Newt's first 5 years in Congress would look a lot like hers, and he's had the benefit of being in leadership positions.
--------------
And this is a legitimate attack on Bachmann. Why Ace and other co-bloggers feel the need to throw in "crazy" is beyond me.
Posted by: Rich at December 29, 2011 07:35 AM (4rXvg)
Posted by: nickless at December 29, 2011 07:36 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: A. Coulter at December 29, 2011 07:37 AM (+FrDx)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 29, 2011 11:32 AM (tf9Ne)
um, what vote ever has bachman had an effect on? she's a backbencher w/ 2 committe assingments and has no influence to speak of.
Posted by: chas at December 29, 2011 07:37 AM (TKF1Y)
Posted by: A. Coulter at December 29, 2011 07:38 AM (+FrDx)
Posted by: SurferDoc at December 29, 2011 07:38 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 07:39 AM (r2PLg)
Take note of whether the bill passed or not, and if her vote was necessary.
You'll notice, she shows up for legislation that's important enough to show up for, or when her vote would make a difference.
Also, there are times when it's not expedient to vote at all.. In fact, I've written my congresswoman, to take a pass on certain legislation, because you're damned, no matter how you vote.. (she didn't take my advice)
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 07:40 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 07:41 AM (r2PLg)
A. Coulter at December 29, 2011 11:38 AM (+FrDx)
im sure mitt's brother is backing him, but he's had as much political success as mitt has so doubt it will do much for him.
Posted by: chas at December 29, 2011 07:41 AM (TKF1Y)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 07:41 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: A. Coulter at December 29, 2011 07:41 AM (+FrDx)
Posted by: Truman North at December 29, 2011 07:42 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: A. Coulter at December 29, 2011 07:43 AM (+FrDx)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 07:43 AM (i6RpT)
What will Captain Oveur say?
Posted by: fluffonutta at December 29, 2011 07:45 AM (Lpgtj)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 07:46 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 29, 2011 07:46 AM (Rw4Ik)
But people stopped using ITA because it was being confused with in-the-ass.
as in PITA
which then became PIITB: put it in the butt
Posted by: Soothsayer 2005 at December 29, 2011 07:47 AM (G/zuv)
My reading of Ann this morning, she put Romney ahead of Bachmann but, Bachmann ahead of everyone else.
I can live with that.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 29, 2011 07:48 AM (9XykO)
You are seriously OT. Ron Paul has no convictions.
Posted by: fluffonutta at December 29, 2011 07:48 AM (Lpgtj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 07:48 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 07:48 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: The Turks at December 29, 2011 07:50 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 29, 2011 07:51 AM (NPcOb)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 07:51 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 07:52 AM (Gc/Qi)
What seems to get lost here at AoSHQ is that fact that some people can prefer one candidate without having to hate all the others with the heat of a thousand suns.
Just because one of the candidates has a better position on a certain issue, it doesnÂ’t mean the other candidates, their supporters and the supportersÂ’ families should all get stomach cancer and die slow, painful deaths.
Posted by: jwest at December 29, 2011 07:52 AM (8moZm)
Posted by: Barney Frank at December 29, 2011 07:53 AM (niZvt)
RCP Average 12/19 - 12/28 -- 21.8 20.8 15.3 12.3 10.5 9.5 3.0 -- Romney +1.0
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 29, 2011 07:54 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 07:54 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 07:55 AM (GBXon)
Unless that "other candidate" is Mitt Romney.
Just sayin'.
(Yes, I'm kidding. Mostly)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 07:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 07:56 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 07:56 AM (Gc/Qi)
(please, somebody get that)
Do It Like A White Woman?
What did I just lose? Besides dignity, I mean
Posted by: fluffy at December 29, 2011 07:57 AM (Lpgtj)
Posted by: nickless at December 29, 2011 07:57 AM (MMC8r)
Is nothing going on, or do we have to wait for Ace to get up to post something (as opposed to one of the Cob-loggers doing so)?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 07:57 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: jwest at December 29, 2011 11:52 AM (8moZm)
I was thinking more along the lines of an acute but temporary skin disorder.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 29, 2011 07:58 AM (HBqDo)
All is well, Italy sold some short-term bonds at 3.something % instead of 6%.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 29, 2011 07:59 AM (jbVeA)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 07:59 AM (niZvt)
All is well, Italy sold some short-term bonds at 3.something % instead of 6%.
Best deal I've made all year.
Posted by: Little Timmy Geithner at December 29, 2011 08:00 AM (SgLsM)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 08:00 AM (Gc/Qi)
wooh. three cheers for the shit sandwich with spicy mustard.
Posted by: toby928© at December 29, 2011 08:00 AM (GTbGH)
...and the thread winner is...
=====
94 Anyway, you're pickin' up what I'm puttin' down, right?Yeah, politicians are whores that fuck you without having sex.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 29, 2011 10:13 AM (kqqGm)
=====
Until we vote for people who aren't political whores, nothing will get better and nothing will change for the better. In fact, things will only become worse.
We're arguing over which whore gets to f*** us, today.
Sheep, arguing about which wolf is allowed to kill and eat us...
Have you ever noticed that honest and ethical people can't be cound among any of our political candidates, at any level?
We're arguing about which socio-path gets to use the rest of us as playthings and toys for their own, personal, amusement.
...and we wonder why we can't find the 'perfect' candidate?
Until we stop accepting socio-paths as legitimate political candidates - for any office - absolutely nothing will change.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 29, 2011 08:02 AM (E7Z1r)
Watch the segment, you find yourself wondering if he is a paid shill.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 29, 2011 08:02 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:03 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:03 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 08:03 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:04 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:05 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 08:06 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:06 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 08:07 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:07 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 29, 2011 08:09 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 29, 2011 08:09 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:10 AM (r2PLg)
Wowwwww, slow day, huh? this thread has been up for *checks* just over three hours, and only 296 comments as of this reply? Where my Chex Mix at?#
#Not mine. Blame Rifftrax.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 29, 2011 08:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:11 AM (niZvt)
Last I checked there weren't a bunch of RINOS running around demanding absolute RINO purity from their candidates. Being something other than pure on ideology is sorta written into the RINO brand, isn't it?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 10:56 AM (Gc/Qi)
Not sure what Ace's point here was, but I consider someone who self-describes as a "SoCon" to have enough of a Midwestern Work Ethic to actually SHOW a work ethic. Taking Bachmann's money right up 'til the week before the caucus, and then very loudly torpedoing her campaign? Not an honorable action, IMHO. If he was just another campaign drone, no problem. But the State Chairman? Not a position where you should be able to turn on a dime, especially when you're at her event in the morning, then 3 hours later you're endorsing the opposition.
Plus, you've got to consider the dude's prior actions. Not that you would know, but since you're not on the ground here in Iowa, it's easy to see why you missed it.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 08:12 AM (T4kFH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 08:12 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:13 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 29, 2011 08:13 AM (oZfic)
And if he didn't, he should have.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 29, 2011 08:13 AM (jbVeA)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:13 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:13 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:15 AM (niZvt)
Dear Mr. Bonesteel,
Kindly get bent! Berating everyone for our field of "sociopaths" isn't a solution, but thanks for the rant. Please tell us again of your family's lineage, as it is always good to hear from Mayflower material.
Posted by: David Brock at December 29, 2011 08:15 AM (BHM5V)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 08:17 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 08:17 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 08:18 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:18 AM (niZvt)
Ah, yes, the infamous horse Mount/Dismount scene...
???
I don't know. Perhaps you're conjuring up one of your strange recurring dreams.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 29, 2011 08:20 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Anne Hathaway at December 29, 2011 08:20 AM (EV5/9)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:20 AM (niZvt)
It takes me to a pay site, and I refuse to give that company my money. You got a Cliff's Notes version?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 08:20 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 08:20 AM (i6RpT)
Alls I'ma sayin'
I am not going to urban dictionary to look up "body man".
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 29, 2011 08:21 AM (jbVeA)
There was another big epic mini-series production; can't remember the name.
Not ROOTS.
The Somethings.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 29, 2011 08:21 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 29, 2011 08:21 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 08:22 AM (Ho2rs)
I will sink in the gutter if I have to. Why not? It's how the libs do and will roll in the coming months.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 29, 2011 08:22 AM (nOAmB)
I signed up for the New York Times online to read some article and avoided much of their spam as a result.
I then got an email saying that -- horror of horrors -- my subscription has expired and they have a great deal to get me back.
Except I never subscribed, just registered on their website.
Today I get -- I'm still laughing -- a CORRECTION to the previous email, stating that it was sent in error.
Layers and layers of fact-checking.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 29, 2011 08:22 AM (73tyQ)
Of course, I was young and fairly distracted by all the decolletage.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 29, 2011 08:23 AM (jbVeA)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 08:23 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 29, 2011 08:24 AM (nOAmB)
Weird, in preview (FireFox) it takes me to a pay-site. If I actually click the link (something to which this site has made me rather risk-averse) it goes. Weird.
And, yes, the Reggie Love reference was probably accidentally funny, but it got a wry smile.
I do love the "Washington Outsider" angle they're trying to craft for the President of the United States.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 08:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 08:26 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 29, 2011 08:26 AM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at December 29, 2011 08:27 AM (KO8Xz)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:27 AM (r2PLg)
I'm not sure 'ex' is the correct term. How about "body-man errant."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 08:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: maddogg at December 29, 2011 08:28 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 29, 2011 08:29 AM (EV5/9)
Posted by: Juicer at December 29, 2011 08:30 AM (LFS8U)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 08:30 AM (i6RpT)
He does have a type ...
Posted by: Michael Bluth at December 29, 2011 08:32 AM (jbVeA)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 29, 2011 08:33 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 29, 2011 08:33 AM (xXhWA)
Americans perceive Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul as closest to themselves ideologically, and Michele Bachmann and Barack Obama as furthest away.
Linking to the Gallup poll here.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 08:34 AM (GBXon)
Lacey
Fun article. It's Orwellian. "He's an outsider" "He's not a Lincoln bedroom type of guy" - Carville the asswipe.
The cronyism, the lies, the ridiculous lengths that they go to to rationalize the crap they pull. The crookedness he has been connected to in his "meteoric rise" to the Presidency. Do they really think we are that stupid? And the answer is "YES!".
It's no wonder people get angry and crazy discussing our candidates. The fear of what is happening and what could continue to happen would drive most people nuts.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at December 29, 2011 08:34 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at December 29, 2011 08:35 AM (KO8Xz)
Cliff's Notes version: Obama called Reggie because he "missed him"
There's a hole inside me when I'm away from Reggie.
It's a hole that only he can fill.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 29, 2011 08:36 AM (qzHix)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:36 AM (r2PLg)
I'm all for it the earth's temperature will then be closer to that of my home planet.
Posted by: LuapNor at December 29, 2011 08:36 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: John Galt at December 29, 2011 08:36 AM (qbm3p)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 29, 2011 08:39 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: maddogg at December 29, 2011 08:39 AM (OlN4e)
Oh and here's some big picture good polling for us.
From Gallup.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 29, 2011 08:39 AM (nOAmB)
This isn't even ideological purity anymore. If you tried to study the 'ideology' of most of these candidates and/or their supporters, you'd find a steaming mess.
Which may be why it's so damnedably hard for some of us to find and settle on a candidate.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 08:39 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 29, 2011 12:18 PM (nOAmB)
Man that was creepy. Creepier still that the NY Commie Manifesto features it so poignantly.
Please pass the vinegar spray bottle.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 29, 2011 08:40 AM (HBqDo)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:40 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 29, 2011 12:33 PM (xXhWA)
A nice Vinaigrette dressing has more power than one might assume over everything .
Posted by: willow at December 29, 2011 08:40 AM (h+qn8)
W...what?
Posted by: Juicer at December 29, 2011 12:30 PM (LFS8U)
...or, you could say that not everything that's done in the name of "social conservatives" is actually done by people who behave like social conservatives.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 08:40 AM (T4kFH)
With the exception of Mitt Romney or Luap Nor, about which candidates are you hearing Perry supporters say this?
I exclude them because (in reverse order) Luap Nor is a quantum singularity of crazy, and Mitt Romney would be an active move to the left for the party in general (which we see as a loss, albeit not quite as bad a loss as Obama getting a second term).
There is a balance to be had between "purity" and "pragmatism," but for some reason it's the "purists" who are always called out as not compromising enough. How about the pragmatists admit that some principles are worth defending, hmm?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 29, 2011 08:42 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: some yob bashing in a hooligan's skull, pinky gracefully extended at December 29, 2011 08:42 AM (jbVeA)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:43 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: The Lizard People From Delta Regula IX at December 29, 2011 08:44 AM (EV5/9)
...have you been to England lately...?
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 29, 2011 08:44 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: LuapNor at December 29, 2011 12:36 PM (tf9Ne)
Loose Lips Sink Ships, jackass.
Put a sock in it and help unload the new probe shipment.
Posted by: Zeta Reticulan Colonoscopy Crew at December 29, 2011 08:45 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: maddogg at December 29, 2011 08:45 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:45 AM (r2PLg)
There is an entire industry of people who make money and gain power by being preying on conservatives. This is another example of it, like Ann Coulter, who is now serving as a mercenary for northeastern Republicans. Where are her vaunted principles that she used when she trashed Bush over Harriet Meiers and the immigration reform effort?
Oh, wait, she has gone to work pushing Christie and now Romney.
The fault is that conservatives listen to these people and TRUST them. They are mercenaries, hired guns, who will work for the highest bidder.
Ann Coulter is going to get gigs on Bill Mahr's show whether the GOP takes the White House or not. Just remember that ALL of these people who appear on TV or make big stands in local races are usually in it for power and money, not principle.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 29, 2011 08:46 AM (GoIUi)
I don't think it is, but perhaps it could be. We can't expect politicians to behave in a dignified manner unless we ourselves behave accordingly.
If we want a better breed of politician, we need to be a better breed of voting public. We need to accept that we can't have everything. Otherwise, we're no better than than uninformed voter that wants taxes lower, government spending higher, and balanced budget into perpetuity.
Posted by: Tom In Korea at December 29, 2011 08:46 AM (KO8Xz)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:49 AM (r2PLg)
If only. Let's just say they have their own cultural issues these days. Research 'chav', 'yob', 'council housing', etc. at some point.
There's a reason I insist certain things are culture.
Posted by: Zeta Reticulan Colonoscopy Crew at December 29, 2011 08:49 AM (GBXon)
http://tinyurl.com/cf7qdb4
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 29, 2011 08:49 AM (uehxp)
Posted by: tasker at December 29, 2011 08:53 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Juicer at December 29, 2011 08:53 AM (LFS8U)
As a sitting member I'm not allowed to appear in advertisements for commercial products.
Posted by: lisa murkowski at December 29, 2011 08:54 AM (sHY5w)
The 24/7 Liberal news media-it's set up to go gutter 24/7.
That's an excuse. Does the media determine how YOU behave? Does it determine how YOU view the candidates and respond to them? Answer honestly.
Control your own thoughts and positively influence those you know. Our own personal interactions are much more powerful than the tube. We discredit ourselves when we pretend otherwise. We'll get politicians who deliver what we want when we change the voter's mindset.
Or just keep kvetching about the liberal media, throw up your hands, and keep talking in the online conservative choir, effectively quitting and changing no minds and no hearts.
Posted by: Tom In Korea at December 29, 2011 08:55 AM (KO8Xz)
Detroit's not in England. Point was England wasn't as 'dignified' as one might think.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez we need a new party, STAT! at December 29, 2011 08:58 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Juicer at December 29, 2011 12:53 PM (LFS8U)
Betrayal by politicians is nothing new, but when the politicians keep telling you "I'm a Christian, and I won't betray you because that's not what Christ would do", and then do it anyway? That's a sign that betrayal isn't just a RiNO problem. I'm all for your supporting the candidate who best reflects your views, but everyone needs to vet their candidates to see if they believe what they're saying, or just believe that they NEED to say these things.
SoCons (like myself) need to start policing their own ranks and calling out opportunists and Elmer Gantry wannabes. Otherwise our isses will never get any traction, and the dreaded "establishment RiNOs" will keep treating us like the Roadrunner treats Wile E. Coyote.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 29, 2011 08:58 AM (T4kFH)
Posted by: deepelemblues at December 29, 2011 09:02 AM (Jov5i)
Posted by: Ron Paul at December 29, 2011 09:13 AM (LFS8U)
Posted by: Elizabethe from elsewhere at December 29, 2011 09:29 AM (iE4hK)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 29, 2011 09:41 AM (dZPQ2)
Good piece Russ.
I'm in Iowa too, and saw this same kind of tactic in the '08 cycle. Huckabee teamed up with McCain and decided to play the fool for for him, drawing votes away from both Fred Thompson and Mitt. And as we can all recall, Huckabee pushed the ever-present "social con" buttons, with his "floating cross" campaign commercial, in the final few weeks before the caucus. I'm sure the "Vander Plaats pals" (who, in my mind, are nearly as bad as the westboro bunch), would've been pleased, had Vander Plaats been as heavily 'on the scene' as he is today.
Getting these people to recognize the slippery-slope we'd all be sliding down, if we granted power to the federal government to set social order for every aspect of our private lives...Simply will not happen.
This also reminds me of the latest little push Santorum is getting from the social cons here in Iowa. He's the latest "non-Romney" flavor of the month, and yet, he KNOWS he has no real chance of getting into the White House. So why does he stay in? Think about who he's drawing votes away from, and who's benefiting from that.
In the end, whomever the nominee is, most of us will fall-in and vote for them. Unless there are those who refuse to do so,...Who also refused to vote for McCain in '08...And gave us Obama on a socialist silver platter.
Posted by: LibertysLeviathan at December 29, 2011 09:44 AM (dtiGp)
Posted by: deepelemblues at December 29, 2011 09:48 AM (Jov5i)
Sometimes it's worth getting a RINO's head on a stick (Castle) as a warning to the others. The wrong move was to select Angle when two other perfectly acceptible candidates were available.
Time to go after that douchebag in Indiana. He's been around too long.
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THIS
I too have struck Bachmann from my short list but a back stab on the eve of the election is bad bad. This will cost him in the end. Especially since he switched to Ron "Stormfront" Paul.
Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2011 04:58 AM (YdQQY)