September 14, 2011

Actual Surprise: ABCNews Covers Solyndra, Top of the Show
— Ace

I tried to goad @jaketapper the other day, saying his network would cover it for thirty seconds, with twenty seconds of that "context" about Enron.

Not what they did though.

Not the longest report, but the questions were properly framed -- "Did the White House rush a half billion of your dollars to a company certain to fail?"

And more at Hot Air, as Mark Levin interviews an employee who said everyone knew Solyndra was going to fail.

From an ABCNews print article:

Department of Energy officials said the rates for all of its green energy loans were set by the bank using a formula, and SolyndraÂ’s favorable terms were not the result of special treatment.

“All borrowers under the [government loan guarantee] program receive the same treatment,” Energy Department spokesman Damien LaVera wrote to iWatch and ABC News in response to questions.

Um, no. What happens is that all borrowers in equivalent situations with equivalent risk and equivalent likelihood of repayment may get the same treatment.

But the whole point of analyzing these companies is to define them, categorize them in terms of risk and such.

That's why it's important to know how these "models" came to the incorrect conclusion that Solyndra would be fantastically profitable.

Note in the below video, at 3:36, Congressman Morgan Griffith tries to find out why all the models predicted that Solyndra's profits would -- are you ready? -- double the year following the loan.

How did they come up with that? What detailed economic model suggested a doubling of profits (during a horrendous global economy, with a business model doomed to fail) in a year?

Why, they based it on... projections provided by Solyndra CEOs. Just accepted those claims, and then, based on this stuff, pushed through the loans at super-cheap rates (and they're not loans -- they're outright gifts, as there was never any plausible way they'd be paid back).

Maybe if analysts hadn't rushed to get the loans approved by the time of the photo-op they could have done a little more work, eh? Maybe come up with their own projections, rather than just plugging in the Solyndra CEOs "double profits in one year" claim into the formula, maybe?

Posted by: Ace at 04:43 PM | Comments (288)
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1 what's a pay to play scheme to do?

Posted by: welcome to the machines at September 14, 2011 04:41 PM (h+qn8)

2 The president is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure and it makes him sad

Posted by: Phoenixgirl at September 14, 2011 04:41 PM (k04lh)

3 This does not count as crony capitalism. Why? Because it just doesn't, that's why. Shut up.

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 04:42 PM (2IW5Q)

4 Probably not first, but close.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at September 14, 2011 04:43 PM (KqQ0V)

5 or cronies unite!

an Obama exploration of strengthening his community

Posted by: welcome to the machines at September 14, 2011 04:43 PM (h+qn8)

6 1. Lend half a billion to politically connected company because the CEO promises you it'll be awesome
2. ?????
3. Profit !!!!

Posted by: Solyndra Gnomes at September 14, 2011 04:43 PM (Y+DPZ)

7 It's kind of weird how this Solyndra story seems to have been fast-tracked, both in the media and in Congress, but Fast & Furious is still getting *crickets* after months.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 04:43 PM (nRTou)

8 the surest sign that we are in the end game. The rats are leaving the sinking ship.

Posted by: pep at September 14, 2011 04:43 PM (m6a2v)

9 Goad him about Gunwalker.

Posted by: toby928© at September 14, 2011 04:44 PM (GTbGH)

10 Put your 500 million where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: USS Diversity at September 14, 2011 04:44 PM (aD5Kx)

11

1. Provide massive loans at unbelievably low rates.

2. ????????

3. Double profits!!!!

Posted by: ATaLien at September 14, 2011 04:44 PM (2p0vz)

12

Damnit. Tardy to the party, as usual.

Posted by: ATaLien at September 14, 2011 04:44 PM (2p0vz)

13 This is a big fng deal. 

Posted by: House Republicans (whispering in Obama's ear) at September 14, 2011 04:45 PM (dja/g)

14 It's kind of weird how this Solyndra story seems to have been fast-tracked, both in the media and in Congress, but Fast & Furious is still getting *crickets* after months.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 08:43 PM (nRTou)

The first story is running cover for the second story.

Posted by: Tami at September 14, 2011 04:46 PM (X6akg)

15 They would have more than doubled their profits if you wingnutzs hadn't prevented them from getting them for getting that second loan.

Posted by: Bob Saget at September 14, 2011 04:46 PM (dBvlk)

16 Green jobs baby, green jobs.

It's funny retarded how the JEF is trying to blame this on Bush.

Posted by: sTevo at September 14, 2011 04:47 PM (VMcEw)

17 How is it that not only is SCoaMF not facing impeachment, but all of his top cabinet officials remain unscathed? We gonna have to go all Weiner on these guys or what?

Posted by: mugiwara at September 14, 2011 04:47 PM (KI/Ch)

18 Like I said this'll stick. There is no scandal fatigue on simple corruption and fraud. The ATF scandals are too scary but this leaves Bambi vulnerable on: 1) economic waste 2) appearence of fraud or stupidity 3) ideology over sense We need to keep on pushing this so it can't get memory holed. Hats off Tapper and hats off Ace

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (AEIYh)

19 The Chicago Way.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (FUEui)

20

I'd like to see a comparison between the 20 visits Solyndra's executives made to the White House and the number of times...oh, let's see... that Obama met with his commanders regarding our troops in Afghanistan.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (+Uv5V)

21 The only question now is how deeply Cheney was involved in the deception. The Wyoming Skunk Works de-mothballed an SR-71 to carry Cheney, and the contents of his briefcase (seen leaking white fumes, albeit in a very grainy telephoto), to a supersecret meeting with members of the Williamson County, TN, Republican Club. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: thorvald at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (OhenJ)

22

The first story is running cover for the second story.

Posted by: Tami at September 14, 2011 08:46 PM (X6akg)

yep.

Posted by: welcome to the machines at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (h+qn8)

23 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.Even the MFM realises it now.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (fyOgS)

24 Look, the CEO *was* reasonable in his figures.  He didn't use cubic dollars for his profit growth projections.  So, shut up!

Posted by: Count de Monet, Tea Partying Sons of Bitches Martyrs Brigade at September 14, 2011 04:48 PM (4q5tP)

25 7 Johnny, The news doesn't like the optics of the ATF mayhem.... This though is less icky.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 04:50 PM (AEIYh)

26
To put things in perspective, a modern cement plant starts at $500M.

Not to be confused with a ready mix plant.

Now also note that the EPA will be forcing about 12 to 18 plant closures as the result of the new gas emission regulations.

Posted by: sTevo at September 14, 2011 04:50 PM (VMcEw)

27 7 It's kind of weird how this Solyndra story seems to have been fast-tracked, both in the media and in Congress, but Fast & Furious is still getting *crickets* after months.

Yes, that's a good puzzle. Perhaps the solution is that a corporation is involved this time, and any good liberal will blame a corporation when there is one in the picture, so perhaps they can cover this story, and still not be shunned at Upper East Side cocktail parties.

Also, reporters probably feel the need to act like reporters some of the time. Writing about the time when he was a reporter in Nevada, during the silver book, Mark Twain wrote:

New claims were taken daily, and it was the friendly custom to run straight to the newspaper offices, give the reporter forty or fifty "feet," and get him to go and examine the mine and publish a notice of it.[...] we generally said a word or two to the effect that the "indications" were good, or that the ledge was "six feet wide," or that the rock "resembled the Comstock" (and so it did - but as a general thing the resemblance was not startling enough to knock you down). If the rock was moderately promising, we followed the custom of the country, used strong adjectives and frothed at the mouth as if a very marvel in silver discoveries had transpired [...]Occasionally we patched up and varnished our reputation for discrimination and stern, undeviating accuracy, by giving some old abandoned claim a blast that ought to have made its dry bones rattle - and then somebody would seize it and sell it on the fleeting notoriety thus conferred upon it.

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 04:50 PM (2IW5Q)

28 Let's let Obama resign with all his staff and repeal every miserable stuttering policy repealed I'm return for clemency. All the geeks at solyndra get Levenworth. Simple

Posted by: Brett at September 14, 2011 04:50 PM (e6/j5)

29 Fast&Furious/Gunrunner was worse,people DIED and more will die.Are they covering that??

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 04:51 PM (fyOgS)

30 If only there was a way to tie Solyndra to......Haliburton. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 14, 2011 04:51 PM (+Uv5V)

31 Holee shit. "Tipping point."

Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2011 04:52 PM (EPcuy)

32 It's kind of weird how this Solyndra story seems to have been fast-tracked, both in the media and in Congress, but Fast & Furious is still getting *crickets* after months.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 08:43 PM (nRTou)

CBS News: 3 more murders linked to "Operation Gunrunner

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 14, 2011 04:52 PM (H/MnC)

33 Sooner or later, they have to come to grips with the fact that Captain Clusterfuck ain't makin' it.

Posted by: Gen. Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC at September 14, 2011 04:52 PM (Pqrpj)

34 Wow...that is  a good report...they  showed all the good shit.  Dianne Sawyer looked like she was shitting cockle burrows reading that though....bitch.

Posted by: Big Wyo at September 14, 2011 04:53 PM (KROfR)

35 you know what, i wish they'd done something really stupid and just sent all they have spent in last 3 years and sent every family a check.
that would have stimulated the economy,
sure we might have still had to pay it back in taxes , but we would have spent it better  (i would hope )

Posted by: welcome to the machines at September 14, 2011 04:53 PM (h+qn8)

36 Ace is in the zone tonight.  Hangover must have worn off!

Posted by: CausticConservative at September 14, 2011 04:53 PM (gT3jF)

37 The Treasury Department's inspector general has also started an investigation into this:

http://tinyurl.com/4x7udlx

Posted by: Tami at September 14, 2011 04:53 PM (X6akg)

38 Time to ask "What did the President know and when did he know it".

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 14, 2011 04:53 PM (UZl30)

39 Did I hear that right? The government predicted that Solyndra would run out of money in September 2011 before they gave them a half a billion dollars? And after getting a half a billion dollars they still went under in September 2011? Giving the early investors priority at bankruptcy over the taxpayers was just a fuck you.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2011 04:54 PM (TMB3S)

40 CBS News: 3 more murders linked to "Operation Gunrunner"

Alright, I starting to feel like this "tipping point/preference cascade" has definitely been reached.

This has been a terrible two weeks for Obama and the media is starting to take off the kid gloves.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 04:54 PM (nRTou)

41 Everything the Leftards accuse the Right of being, "tools of industry," "lackeys for Wall Street," "shills for bankers and investors," "the party of privilege," everything... is precisely what the Left and this clusterfuck of an administration have revealed themselves to be. The party of taxpayer rape IS the Democrat party.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 04:55 PM (AZGON)

42 29 Steevy, No, nor will they. You'll know the press has left their boyfriend when that happens. Idiot squishes and moderates do not want the ATF stuff to be real. This will stick, then we'll get Holder and Barry.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 04:55 PM (AEIYh)

43 Top baby names for 2011: Jacob and Solyndra

Posted by: elliot m at September 14, 2011 04:55 PM (zPich)

44 Giving the early investors priority at bankruptcy over the taxpayers was just a fuck you.

I don't even think it was that.  I think the late investors (11th hour investments by the same Obama bundler/s) are also getting priority.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 04:56 PM (nRTou)

45 Quick!  Somebody report ABC to Attaaaaaaack Waaaaatch.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 04:56 PM (00hVo)

46 40 If Obama is going to have a breakdown of some sort it's going to come soon.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 04:57 PM (fyOgS)

47

Don't be fooled into thinking ABC has finally come to their senses and are going to report the 'real' news like most of America wants to hear it. They know O is on his way out, they'll take this chance to usher him out and bring  Hil in as a candidate against him, given this scandal. Little Georgie had his kneepads on for Little Barry but Hil has always been his psuedo mama...(I just threw up in my mouth) really...

Posted by: anna at September 14, 2011 04:57 PM (CIcOf)

48 Okay, here's the truth - anyone, and I mean anyone, that tells you green energy works - is one of two things.

1. A liar or
2. They just don't understand the subject (i.e. fu^king idiots)

I submit that most anyone you see promoting "green energy" are in the number 2 category.  Fossil fuels were made by God.  Fossil fuels are somewhere in the 90% range of efficiency - in other words, when you burn gasoline, something close to 100% of the fuel is converted to usable energy.

Solar technology is only in the 20% or below range of efficiency once it is converted to usable energy.  Wind power is even less.

So, until some miraculous invention comes along that brings Solar and Wind into the 70 or 80%+ efficiency range, there is simply no viable substitute for Fossil Fuels.  This is why there will never be a good business case for developing Solar or Wind until major advances in technology come along. 

We're trying to beat God here people - it ain't easy and may not be possible.

Posted by: Ugknown at September 14, 2011 04:57 PM (khGZS)

49 26 Stevo, We don' t have 555 million bucks at1% interesr in cement...

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 04:57 PM (AEIYh)

50 What's black and white and red all over? AttackWatch. And Nazi flags.

Posted by: jonsten at September 14, 2011 04:58 PM (arAUB)

51 Johnny,
       the media should follow  this administration ,and be  shunned .
as soon as possible

Posted by: willow at September 14, 2011 04:58 PM (h+qn8)

52 If you have a bankruptcy lasting more than four hours, stop using Solyndra and consult your doctor. Side effects of Solyndra may include mild fever, headaches, dizziness, and a powerful craving for Italian style fascism.

Posted by: Solyndra™... will you be crony? at September 14, 2011 04:58 PM (AZGON)

53 I really hate to think that the large portion of our society that believes in "green energy" are as dumb as a box of rocks, but they are.

When this whole thing came out, I researched it. Not extensively, because there was no need to. It. Is. A. Scam. End of story.

Yet millions, nay billions of politicians are still foisting this magical thinking scam on the masses, who are slopping it up like starving pigs.

What's next, after the "green energy" myth is dead? Tesla-esque "free energy generators" that will only be free if the taxpayers give BILLIONS to the creators, who will never, ever be able to make them work? Is that where we're headed?

Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2011 04:58 PM (z63Tr)

54 When all arguments Dems can muster to counter this scandal are (1) this is an attack on green energy and (2) blame Bush!, you know they are in trouble.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 14, 2011 04:59 PM (o2lIv)

55 The scandal is there were those set in advance, to benefit from Solyndra's bankruptcy. Tne Issue of the company not having been analyzed is a smoke screen and would make it a minor scandal. This is going to be a huge scanda.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 14, 2011 04:59 PM (DlZXy)

56 Who could have forseen that everything this administration did would fail? #attackwatch

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 14, 2011 05:00 PM (UrPTC)

57 I can double the profits from my comments in just three months.

Give me me $500 million, peasants.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:00 PM (7utQ2)

58 Hussein like Kaiser?

Posted by: willow at September 14, 2011 05:00 PM (h+qn8)

59 53 If we start having rolling blackouts next summer do to inadequate power the public will go berserk.I hope.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:01 PM (fyOgS)

60 When this whole thing came out, I researched it. Not extensively, because there was no need to. It. Is. A. Scam. End of story. Just like Pelosi who pimped Tesla, the publicly-financed (with big loan guarantees) luxury electric car company. The freaking eco-bauble costs around $100K, a plaything for the wealthy libtard.

Posted by: Solyndra™... will you be crony? at September 14, 2011 05:01 PM (AZGON)

61 9 Goad him about Gunwalker.

Posted by: toby928© at September 14, 2011 08:44 PM (GTbGH)

According to the CBS news website, 3 more murders are linked to it.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2011 05:01 PM (73tyQ)

62 Ranchers stopped using windmills and starting using electric pumps for water because they were inefficient and didn't always run.  Why go backward?

Posted by: huerfano at September 14, 2011 05:01 PM (kD+se)

63 41 Everything the Leftards accuse the Right of being, "tools of industry," "lackeys for Wall Street," "shills for bankers and investors," "the party of privilege," everything... is precisely what the Left and this clusterfuck of an administration have revealed themselves to be. The party of taxpayer rape IS the Democrat party. This.

Posted by: Gem at September 14, 2011 05:02 PM (zw+pb)

64 21 The only question now is how deeply Cheney was involved in the deception. The Wyoming Skunk Works de-mothballed an SR-71 to carry Cheney, and the contents of his briefcase (seen leaking white fumes, albeit in a very grainy telephoto), to a supersecret meeting with members of the Williamson County, TN, Republican Club. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: thorvald at September 14, 2011 08:48 PM (OhenJ)

I dispute that.  Being a member of the aforementioned club, I can definitively tell you that the Skunkworks is not in Wyoming, Cheney carried a nice Hartmann messenger bag, and the fumes were coming from his WarCock, not the aforementioned bag.  You'd know that if you were part of the dread Williamson County Machine.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at September 14, 2011 05:02 PM (D+phB)

65 Energy,the cheaper the better is imperative for prosperity.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:03 PM (fyOgS)

66 Actually, the other day on Coffee and Markets one commenter noted that the solar panel industry is a complete farce as a "sophisticated green business." It is an ecologically dirty, low margin commodity product, and no one can make it cheaper than China.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:03 PM (AZGON)

67

Headline at Hotair:

 

Solyndra employee to Mark Levin: “Everyone knew that the plant wouldn’t work”

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:03 PM (0fUOB)

68 Green jobs greed is the new Wall Street greed.

Posted by: Warden at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (k/lkp)

69 The party of taxpayer rape IS the Democrat party. Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 08:55 PM

Yes, but it's taxpayer rape for the children.

Posted by: Nancy Pelousi at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (kD+se)

70 >>Okay, here's the truth - anyone, and I mean anyone, that tells you green energy works - is one of two things. >>1. A liar or 2. They just don't understand the subject (i.e. fu^king idiots) Does that mean any politician who has advocated for green energy should be disqualified from consideration?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (TMB3S)

71 the fumes were coming from his WarCock

THAT'S CLASSIFIED, COMMIE SYMP.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (7utQ2)

72 They're going to wait til Gunrunner stinks so bad they can't avoid it, then blame it on Bush.

Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (SsG4J)

73

The only question now is how deeply Cheney was involved in the deception. The Wyoming Skunk Works de-mothballed an SR-71 to carry Cheney, and the contents of his briefcase (seen leaking white fumes, albeit in a very grainy telephoto), to a supersecret meeting with members of the Williamson County, TN, Republican Club. 'Nuff said.

 

HALLIBURTON!!ELEVENTY!!

 

Posted by: Unhinged Libtard Moonbat Flash Mob of One at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (0fUOB)

74 Listen, and understand. That clusterfuck is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are broke.

Posted by: toby928© at September 14, 2011 05:04 PM (GTbGH)

75 Cheney carried a nice Hartmann messenger bag, and the fumes were coming from his WarCock, Rumor has it that fumes from the Warcock can make an entire division of Marines high as a kite.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:05 PM (AZGON)

76 Rush mentioned today that there are possibly 4 or 5 more Solyndra-type stories yet to come out.

All politically motivated.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:05 PM (nRTou)

77

It makes me wonder if they were going to sit on this story, and then after last night's election, were "screw it, we are running it".  I question the timing.

Posted by: Unhinged Libtard Moonbat Flash Mob of One at September 14, 2011 05:05 PM (0fUOB)

78 Those here old enough to remember 40 years ago (or who saw the movie) remember this: follow the money.  Audit the hell out of Solyndra and account for every dime. Then maybe we'll learn more about why a company that had 'fail' written all over it got sweet treatment from the Obama administration. 

Posted by: joejm65 at September 14, 2011 05:05 PM (UZuc4)

79 Solyndra employee to Mark Levin: “Everyone knew that the plant wouldn’t work” Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 09:03 PM

My brother teaches a class in solar energy tech.  One of his students worked for Solyndra.  He said the company tried to sell the employees stock in the company and they were not buying.

Posted by: huerfano at September 14, 2011 05:05 PM (kD+se)

80 "Gree(d)n is good. Gree(d)n works."

Posted by: Gordon Gecko, democrat icon at September 14, 2011 05:06 PM (AZGON)

81 >>Does that mean any politician who has advocated for green energy should be disqualified from consideration?

This depends on whether hydro & nu-q-lar is considered green.

Posted by: sTevo at September 14, 2011 05:06 PM (VMcEw)

82 72 Miss Tammy, They can try......the calender doesn't lie.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 05:06 PM (AEIYh)

83 Orwell, yes the projection /accusations.

we've known this but it really is True, and when i keep looking at what they've accused us of or Are accusing us of.....

well i wait to see if it comes to fruition ,       from them.

rather scary.

Posted by: willow at September 14, 2011 05:06 PM (h+qn8)

84

Dumb sock!

My brother teaches a class in solar energy tech.  One of his students worked for Solyndra.  He said the company tried to sell the employees stock in the company and they were not buying.

 

I'm sure that none of the board or any of the CEO/COO/CFO, etc. bought it either.  Color me unsurprised. 


Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:07 PM (0fUOB)

85 How does this help Michelle's husband's depression?

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 14, 2011 05:07 PM (ycuSb)

86 Energy,the cheaper the better is imperative for prosperity.

This.  Look at a graph of gasoline prices over time, and a graph of the economy.  It's like those charts of solar activity vs temperature.  I think we would make up the difference in taxes through increased economic activity if we subsidized fuel.

Posted by: toby928© at September 14, 2011 05:07 PM (GTbGH)

87 One company.....a hall BILLION dollar head start.........broke in two years. There are players in the NFL who hold onto their wealth longer than that.

Posted by: Spiker at September 14, 2011 05:07 PM (bHfai)

88 Remember how the MFM was all over the "secret" WH meetings with energy companies by Cheney and Bush??They should be outraged by this,outraged!

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:07 PM (fyOgS)

89 Giving money for future political donations - awful, criminal, and foolish. Doing it just because you need propaganda fodder via a photo-shoot? That's compressed stupid and evil all together. Like some sort of black hole made out of shortbusses filled with booger-eating numbskulls and entire faculty lounges full of ranting marxist quislings. Like San Francisco, shrunk to the size of someone's asshole.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 14, 2011 05:08 PM (ayKZ9)

90 Does that mean any politician who has advocated for green energy should be disqualified from consideration?

Here's the deal....

If you can generate power from wind or tides or or the collapse of the Dolphins secondary....go right ahead, just don't insult my intelligence with "renewable energy can replace oil and we're going to need your wallet for subsidies at the same time we tax the oil."  Like so many other things that emanate from the left, the whole green logic chain doesn't even stand up to the very first step of a critical examination. 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:08 PM (7utQ2)

91 >>This depends on whether hydro & nu-q-lar is considered green. Nope, just the two anyone with a lick of commonsense and the ability to do basic research would know are complete failures wherever they have been tried on a wide scale, solar and wind.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2011 05:09 PM (TMB3S)

92 76 Johnny, Vanta Claus Jones had 30 billion to play with, without Pelosi oversight. I am betting there's a dozen more.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 05:09 PM (AEIYh)

93

72 Miss Tammy,

They can try......the calender doesn't lie.

 

 

Well, they tried to blame Bush for Solyndra even though he didn't approve the loans for it.  Those loans were given to them by Chairman Sham Mao who also used the company for many photo ops and sound bites.

 

 

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:09 PM (0fUOB)

94 Wait!

What? (the fack)

Did Diane Sawyer at the end of the first video give credit to Brian Ross for breaking the story??

...did he found the Republican party too?

Posted by: beedubya at September 14, 2011 05:09 PM (AnTyA)

95

I'm sure that none of the board or any of the CEO/COO/CFO, etc. bought it either.  Color me unsurprised. 

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 09:07 PM

I'm curious about their bonus program for the top men.

Posted by: huerfano at September 14, 2011 05:09 PM (kD+se)

96 They covered this? When do the flying pigs start? Should I put down the umbrella on the deck?

Posted by: dagny at September 14, 2011 05:09 PM (SsaeH)

97 Does that mean any politician who has advocated for green energy should be disqualified from consideration?

Here's the deal....

If you can generate power from wind or tides or or the collapse of the Dolphins secondary....go right ahead, just don't insult my intelligence with "renewable energy can replace oil and we're going to need your wallet for subsidies at the same time we tax the oil."  Like so many other things that emanate from the left, the whole green logic chain doesn't even stand up to the very first step of a critical examination. 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 09:08 PM (7utQ2)

I think he's going to tell us something about Perry and green energy.....

Posted by: Tami at September 14, 2011 05:10 PM (X6akg)

98 Whenever I hear about anything green, "green energy", "green jobs", I think about a watermelon. You know, green on the outside, Red on the inside.

Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2011 05:10 PM (EPcuy)

99

Vanta Claus Jones had 30 billion to play with, without Pelosi oversight.

I am betting there's a dozen more.

 

There's a bunch more.  Some of them are already known.  Rush was adding up the dollars today.  His total was well over a billion dollars.

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:10 PM (0fUOB)

100 Brian Ross did great work uncovering the Watergate story

Posted by: Diane Sawyer at September 14, 2011 05:10 PM (AnTyA)

101 7 It's kind of weird how this Solyndra story seems to have been fast-tracked, both in the media and in Congress, but Fast & Furious is still getting *crickets* after months.
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Well that was only about subverting an allies sovereignty, breaking umpteen laws to traffic guns to a crime-riddled country, that resulted in the deaths of countless Mexican's and a US Border Patrol Agent, all in the name of increasing gun counts to prop up more civil liberties infringements.

This?  This is about a half-billion payola out of the taxpayer coffers to a politically connected democratic fundraiser. That's 500 million!  With 8 zeros! Oh, the humanity!!

Posted by: Flounder at September 14, 2011 05:10 PM (Kkt/i)

102 How many times did what's-her-name have to tell us that the story was broke by Brian Ross?

Maybe ABC was the first among the liberal networks, but I'd bet the farm that they stole the story from a conservative blogger. 

Posted by: Norton at September 14, 2011 05:11 PM (jcAPC)

103

Whenever I hear about anything green, "green energy", "green jobs", I think about a watermelon. You know, green on the outside, Red on the inside.

 

RACIST!  I'm reporting you to Attackwatch!

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:11 PM (0fUOB)

104 THAT'S CLASSIFIED, COMMIE SYMP.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 09:04 PM (7utQ2)

Consider yourself Circa Today, cause you ain't seeing tomorrow after that outburst.  Cheney is actually holding a machete and standing right behind you at the moment. 

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at September 14, 2011 05:11 PM (D+phB)

105 Without adequate power we become the third world.Unfortunately,many on the left want just that.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:11 PM (fyOgS)

106  Obama., "when your dealing with trillions, what's a billion here or there!"
racists

Posted by: willow at September 14, 2011 05:11 PM (h+qn8)

107 >>I think he's going to tell us something about Perry and green energy..... What kind of devious person would even think I would do that?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2011 05:11 PM (TMB3S)

108 101 Flounder, sorry. Mexico - while officially a friendly nation - and which did indeed have its sovereignty violated in a despicable manner - isn't an ally.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 14, 2011 05:12 PM (ayKZ9)

109 I think he's going to tell us something about Perry and green energy.....

I KNOW he's going to tell us that and it will be about wind.

JackStraw--remember how you tired to justify the subprime stupidity because "it was legal"?  Yeah, I didn't buy that either.  And I ain't going for Romney for the nomination.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:12 PM (7utQ2)

110 What kind of devious person would even think I would do that?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2011 09:11 PM (TMB3S)

Oh....so I'm wrong then? ;o)

Posted by: Tami at September 14, 2011 05:12 PM (X6akg)

111

It's kind of weird how this Solyndra story seems to have been fast-tracked, both in the media and in Congress, but Fast & Furious is still getting *crickets* after months.

 

I'm sure the MFM has researched and written some stories about F&F already.  I bet they are keeping it in reserve as a trump card, should Barry go down hard and fast.  They might even be using it as leverage over him. 

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:12 PM (0fUOB)

112 Why doesn't Warren Buffet come in and buy Solyndra? He seems determined to stay in bed with Barry no matter what. Come on, Warren. Show us your commitment to pay your fair share.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:12 PM (AZGON)

113 Texas leads the country in windmills.Everything is bigger in Texas,even the mistakes.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:13 PM (fyOgS)

114 Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 08:51 PM (fyOgS) Not the evening news, but it's a start: http://tinyurl.com/6h3f9px

Posted by: Muggedbyreality at September 14, 2011 05:13 PM (DdwEb)

115 @ 70 & 81.  Good question and good response.  Nu-q-lar is a separate question altogether.  IMO every state should be required to have it's own nu-q-lar plant.  The more the merrier.  I would gladly pay $1 dollar today for 100KWH tomorrow.

Posted by: Ugknown at September 14, 2011 05:13 PM (khGZS)

116 Hey look, demonrats doing the exact thing that they accused repubs of doing.

This is why it is a good general rule to take what libtards accuse you of, and immediately apply it to them.

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at September 14, 2011 05:13 PM (CAArl)

117 Also -> Tardasil

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:14 PM (nRTou)

118 It's worse than all of that.  Solyndra was nothing more nor less than a money-laundering scheme.  I'm sure at first it was a fairly honest boondoggle, but Obama quickly realized that he could use it to get his bundlers to invest in it.  If it collapses, they get paid off first.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2011 05:14 PM (73tyQ)

119 Whats worse, lending a billion to another solar boondoggle while this scandal was breaking.

Posted by: Jean at September 14, 2011 05:15 PM (RURIy)

120 (and they're not loans -- they're outright gifts, as there was never any plausible way they'd be paid back)

...give Obama $50k (of other people's money), Obama gives you $563M (of other people's money) back.  Hell of a deal.  

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 14, 2011 05:15 PM (0vDuM)

121 Tardasil Posted by: Johnny (John E.) You clever bastard. Anyway, I think the school nurse gives out free samples.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:15 PM (AZGON)

122

Media: offices/studios sacked, editors/producers on trial.

Obama's Goons: frogmarched in zipties away by the truckload

 

Posted by: USS Diversity at September 14, 2011 05:15 PM (aD5Kx)

123 93

72 Miss Tammy,

They can try......the calender doesn't lie.

They will find someone who has been working the department since Bush ( not too hard I wouldn't think) and manufacture something.

Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2011 05:16 PM (SsG4J)

124 101 Flounder, I agree that it stinks but the middle will resist the ATF scandals and one of their defenses will be to ignore other scandals....start small work up.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 05:16 PM (AEIYh)

125 118 Yep.And he got a nice "green jobs" photo op out of it.Hopefully it blows up in his face.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:16 PM (fyOgS)

126 108 - Perhaps not in the formal sense.  But if Mexico was attacked by some pyscho dictator, I am sure we would be there to help out.

Posted by: Flounder at September 14, 2011 05:16 PM (Kkt/i)

127

My brother teaches a class in solar energy tech.  One of his students worked for Solyndra.  He said the company tried to sell the employees stock in the company and they were not buying.

I'm sure that none of the board or any of the CEO/COO/CFO, etc. bought it either.  Color me unsurprised. 

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 09:07 PM

Don't be surprised if they bought them in huge lots, had Jim Cramer praise the stock to suckers on Bubblevision, then dumped the dogs on the idiots who fap to Mad Money

Posted by: Chris Matthews' Depends at September 14, 2011 05:16 PM (Y+DPZ)

128

Media: offices/studios sacked, editors/producers on trial.

Obama's Goons: frogmarched in zipties/ away by the truckload/

TARDISIL!

 

(FIFY so that it was in proper Burmashave format)

Posted by: runningrn at September 14, 2011 05:17 PM (0fUOB)

129 ...give Obama $50k (of other people's money), Obama gives you $563M (of other people's money) back. Hell of a deal. That's the kind of deal that will take Berkshire Hathaway into the 22nd century. Beginning with Bank of America. We'll need a bailout, you know.

Posted by: Warren Buffet at September 14, 2011 05:17 PM (AZGON)

130 for boredom relief, you can go to Twitter and watch the Palinites state that Obama and Solyndra is the same as Merck and Perry to Ace.

Math, the Palin freaks suck at it. Along with the truth. Maybe Palin and Romney fans are sort of close.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 14, 2011 05:17 PM (UZl30)

131 Breaking:  an artistic sketch depicting the wrongdoer who approved the loan guarrantee has been release


          d^_^b


Now back to our original programming

Posted by: phreshone at September 14, 2011 05:18 PM (T3vCe)

132  Cheney is actually holding a machete

Pffft.  It's a shotgun.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:19 PM (7utQ2)

133

Snark-free guy has a couple of good ones:

What do you call it when someone has, like, jumped the shark so thoroughly...

Posted by: sTevo at September 14, 2011 05:20 PM (VMcEw)

134 Breaking: an artistic sketch depicting the wrongdoer who approved the loan guarrantee has been release d^_^b Your choice of type color is racist.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:20 PM (AZGON)

135 NONTROVERSY !!!

I run my servers and security system on solar panels on top of my home. The lines running to my neighbor's junction box are solely for backup.

Posted by: Dr Charles Johnson, Scienceologist at September 14, 2011 05:20 PM (Y+DPZ)

136 Once the Dems realize that the Wan will drag them all down then the calculus is made and suddenly ALL things are the Wan's fault.  See?  That solves everything.

Posted by: gandalfdeblanco at September 14, 2011 05:20 PM (1Ap7+)

137

In late 2009 I looked into going to school and learning how to install all of this green energy crap to possibly start my own business. The line was that these sort of jobs would be good paying blue colar jobs, along the line of what plumbers and electricians make.

When I went to the community college all of the classes were filled and I would have to wait until January 2010 to get the loan and register for classes.

One of the first things I pulled up from a simple google search was that a few companies were marketing a solar shingle or film out of Home Depot/Lowe's  that was just as good as a big ass solar panel, that weighed nowhere near as much as a solar panel and cost a fraction of a solar panel. It was a DIY type thing, no 'green collar' workers needed. Someone without a student loan payment could just roll the stuff out on his roof and glue it down and then pay an electrician to install an AC/DC inverter.

I feel bad for all those folks that got in line ahead of me. Their time was wasted. Their hope for a better life was busted and they probably pissed away a nice chunk of change that they couldn't afford. All based on lies told to them by their government.  

 

 

Posted by: CozMark at September 14, 2011 05:20 PM (HK4Kc)

138 46 40 If Obama is going to have a breakdown of some sort it's going to come soon. ------------------------------------------- Can we fast track another photo op-smack down with Bibi Netanyahu in the Oval Office? That should do it.

Posted by: Spiker at September 14, 2011 05:20 PM (bHfai)

139 >>JackStraw--remember how you tired to justify the subprime stupidity because "it was legal"? Yeah, I didn't buy that either. And I ain't going for Romney for the nomination. No, because I never did that. Nobody here has ever been more down on the bullshit Congress did with Fannie/Freddie and forcing the banks to rewrite their lending policies to make loans to people who couldn't afford them. Try again.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2011 05:21 PM (TMB3S)

140 Speaking of scams, I pulled up next to a Chevy Volt this morning on the freeway (btw, the first one I've seen) beeped my horn, pointed and laughed and hit the gas on my Mustang and left him in the dust.

It. Felt. Good.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 14, 2011 05:22 PM (3TjSM)

141 SMART Power!!!!1111!!!eleventy

We should let all the people that "CANT" (i.e. professors at ivy league schools)  "DO".

It will work out super double plus good.

Posted by: jukin at September 14, 2011 05:22 PM (vkkNZ)

142 138 - Thanks for that on the ground perspective.  It's sad to see so many people taken in by that rubish 

Posted by: Flounder at September 14, 2011 05:23 PM (Kkt/i)

143

I feel bad for all those folks that got in line ahead of me. Their time was wasted. Their hope for a better life was busted and they probably pissed away a nice chunk of change that they couldn't afford. All based on lies told to them by their government.

Posted by: CozMark at September 14, 2011 09:20 PM (HK4Kc)

I feel good for you, though, Mark.  Throw that inefficiency over the pinball machine and own it.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at September 14, 2011 05:23 PM (D+phB)

144 This is going to sound terrible, but I'm becoming quite jaded with Obama's scandals. Gun-runner was shocking in its aloof stupidity, but every time I read something about Solyndra, I just sort of roll my eyes. Typical.

Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 14, 2011 05:23 PM (TUax9)

145 I just noticed this....

"If you love me, ask Congress to pass the jobs bill."

Half of me wants to giggle, the other half thinks that is the creepiest sentence ever uttered by a President of the United States.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:24 PM (7utQ2)

146 JohnE ... careful with the company names there

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 14, 2011 05:24 PM (UrPTC)

147 141 Speaking of scams, I pulled up next to a Chevy Volt this morning on the freeway (btw, the first one I've seen) beeped my horn, pointed and laughed and hit the gas on my Mustang and left him in the dust.

It. Felt. Good.

I've never seen one. I hope I never do, and the odds seem good.

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 05:24 PM (2IW5Q)

148 Let's start referring to this as Obama's 500 million dollar, taxpayer funded PR event.

Posted by: Warden at September 14, 2011 05:25 PM (k/lkp)

149 Their hope for a better life was busted and they probably pissed away a nice chunk of change that they couldn't afford. All based on lies told to them by their government. 1. You're on report to AttaaaaaackWaaaaaatch! 2. Pass this buck now!!!

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at September 14, 2011 05:25 PM (AZGON)

150 JohnE ... careful with the company names there

Hosted on Flickr.  I'm fine.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:25 PM (nRTou)

151 Here's what I want to know about "green" energy.

How much energy is to produce the energy generated from the green technology from cradle to grave?  For example, how much energy does it take to make the aluminum, etc.that goes into a Solyndra solar panel or a windmill, for example, from the time the Bauxite and other resources are mined until the damn thing is no longer usable and has to removed and disposed of?  How much air and water pollution (according to the EPA's list of air and water pollutants) is generated from cradle to grave of the solar panel?  How much material is used, cradle to grave?  What happens to the energy generation technology when it is obsolete or no longer works - can it be recycled, reused, or must it be landfilled?  How does the green energy technology compare to coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, or oil when applying these same criterion?

One more question... can the resources consumed to generate "green energy" be better used for some other purpose?  For example, using corn to make ethanol takes a resource out of the food supply. 

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:25 PM (00hVo)

152 I agree - we're beginning to enter the twilight zone of scandal fatigue.  So, many scandals that come up so often in such a short amount of time.  It's almost like Barky planned it thi........naw, couldn't be.

Posted by: Ugknown at September 14, 2011 05:25 PM (khGZS)

153 Its likely the government types would think this business would be profitable because they planned to purchase so many of its products with your money in the years to come.

Posted by: bennyh at September 14, 2011 05:25 PM (pSbfg)

154 153 Here's what I want to know about "green" energy.

If you loved me, you wouldn't ask these questions.

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 14, 2011 05:26 PM (2IW5Q)

155 JohnE ... careful with the company names there I suggest an alternate Big Pharma name: MERZ. Slang German for 'garbage.'

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:26 PM (AZGON)

156 141 Speaking of scams, I pulled up next to a Chevy Volt this morning on the freeway (btw, the first one I've seen) beeped my horn, pointed and laughed and hit the gas on my Mustang and left him in the dust.

Besmirching the President's favorite car model?  This is a hate crime and it is going right to AttackWatch!   

Seriously, that is cool..  Ford - First on Race Day!

And those Chevy Volt commercials are annoying.  Jackasses, where do you think the juice comes from to power the Volt, eh?  It comes from (mostly) burning fossil fuels!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 14, 2011 05:26 PM (c0A3e)

157 138 cozmark, Hats off....how much power potential is in the blanket?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 05:26 PM (AEIYh)

158 Crap.  Should read:  How much energy is consumed to produce the energy generated from the green technology from cradle to grave?

I report myself to Attaaaaaack Waaaaatch.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:26 PM (00hVo)

159 Check this out.

Listen to the journalists' reaction to Obama's request (laughter), then watch how pissed off Obama gets when he sees they aren't taking him seriously.

He's gonna crack...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:26 PM (nRTou)

160 @ 153 - see my post number 47 above for answers to some of your questions.

Posted by: Ugknown at September 14, 2011 05:27 PM (khGZS)

161 for boredom relief, you can go to Twitter and watch the Palinites state that Obama and Solyndra is the same as Merck and Perry to Ace.

I hope he clues the tards in on the fact that Palin's Matanuska Maid bailout is much more like Solyndra than Perry's Gardasil initiative.

Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 14, 2011 05:27 PM (TUax9)

162 Also -> Tardasil
Posted by: Johnny (John E.)

Jolly good. Needs more Daleks though.

Posted by: Steven Moffat at September 14, 2011 05:28 PM (s1vtf)

163 146 Yeah,he's not right in the head.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:28 PM (fyOgS)

164 Not far from where I am there is a facility that used to enrich uranium for weapons and military reactors. That was shut down about ten years ago.

Then the DoE decided to use the facility todevelop and then be the hub for new tech and processes for nuke fuel for power plant reactors. After tossing billions at it, they shut it down again because the SCoaMF has a personal aversion to cheap,efficient, and clean energy

Posted by: beedubya at September 14, 2011 05:28 PM (AnTyA)

165 Please return our tipping point
- Guam

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:28 PM (OhYCU)

166 156 Here's what I want to know about "green" energy.

If you loved me, you wouldn't ask these questions.

LOL!  I guess this a cruel way to break it you, Honey.  I report myself to Attaaaaaack Waaaaaatch.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:28 PM (00hVo)

167 I'm curious (not really)

 Ok we had the deal in the way back machine where the gvt in essence took a company and gave it to the union.
 that those others invested were stolen  be addressed

Posted by: willow at September 14, 2011 05:29 PM (h+qn8)

168 Allahpundit came up with a devastating answer to "why does Solyndra get MSM traction, when Fast and Furious doesn't?" in one short sentence:

If youÂ’re caught between two hugely embarrassing scandals, better that the media focuses on the one without a body count

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (2IW5Q)

169 JohnE ... careful with the company names there
Posted by: The Great Satan's

Save the concern. No care need. Parodies are protected.

Posted by: Steven Moffat at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (s1vtf)

170 If you loved me you would mindlessly swallow every bite of the shit sandwich I'm trying to force-feed you. Now...open wide.

Posted by: Marybel at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (Hic+o)

171 investments*

Posted by: willow at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (h+qn8)

172 165 146 Yeah,he's not right in the head.

As creepy as that statement was, the student who yelled "I love you!" to Barracky is even more screwed up in the head.  Dear Lord, who in their right mind would love-love a President? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (c0A3e)

173 Let me get this straight....they are not even TRYING to hide the fact that they are lobbying the press now?

Yeah, Rod Serling is sitting over there in the corner smoking a cigarette.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (7utQ2)

174 170 Yep.If it gets much worse they wont be able to ignore it though.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:30 PM (fyOgS)

175 Listen to the journalists' reaction to Obama's request (laughter), then watch how pissed off Obama gets when he sees they aren't taking him seriously. I didn't see that in particular; his head was too small in frame during the laughter. However, as he elaborated he looked inexplicably bored.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:31 PM (AZGON)

176 174 True,but the numbnuts is only a student,he's the fucking POTUS.Disturbing.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:31 PM (fyOgS)

177 162 @ 153 - see my post number 47 above for answers to some of your questions.

Posted by: Ugknown at September 14, 2011 09:27 PM (khGZS)

Saw it.  It was what inspired my longer rant. I report both of us to Attaaaaack Waaaatch.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:31 PM (00hVo)

178 172 If you loved me you would mindlessly swallow

Where have I heard that before?

Posted by: jonsten at September 14, 2011 05:32 PM (arAUB)

179 Behold my mastery over wind and sunlight power and tremble mere mortals.

Posted by: 15th Century Holland at September 14, 2011 05:33 PM (KI/Ch)

180 Uh-oh, Mark Levin and this caller are going to be reported to AttackWatch!

Solyndra Employee: Everyone knew the plant wouldn't work

You can just hear the "boy" at the end of that statement. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 14, 2011 05:33 PM (c0A3e)

181 The last time I ran the numbers a solar project had a 15 year payback with a 25 to 30% gov subsidy  at 14 cents per kwh. This really sucks when you are accustomed to paying 5 cents.

Posted by: sTevo at September 14, 2011 05:33 PM (VMcEw)

182

I think he's going to tell us something about Perry and green energy.....

Yeah, I think it was a trick question knowing who posed it.

Posted by: Ronster at September 14, 2011 05:34 PM (/ej8I)

183 Attaaaack Waaaatch II: Mega-Loan Shark Vs. Mutant Racist Octopus

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:34 PM (AZGON)

184 174 165 146 Yeah,he's not right in the head.

As creepy as that statement was, the student who yelled "I love you!" to Barracky is even more screwed up in the head.  Dear Lord, who in their right mind would love-love a President?

Agreed. But what other President would lap up that bizarre expression of affection like a cat sticking his head in a bottle of cream? I can't think of another who wouldn't have chuckled and deftly bailed.

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 05:34 PM (2IW5Q)

185 161... Johnny... That was painful to watch. A sitting President of the United States INSTRUCTING journalists what do and say...... and his demeanor was totally "I OULD CARE LESS"

Posted by: fixerupper at September 14, 2011 05:34 PM (ffV1/)

186 177 He's on anti depressants.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:34 PM (fyOgS)

187 I didn't see that in particular; his head was too small in frame during the laughter. However, as he elaborated he looked inexplicably bored.

 That condescending "listen" followed by a bunch of stuttering, then annoyance was not boredom, imo.  He sounded thoroughly pissed.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:34 PM (nRTou)

188
Obama took your money and gave it to his friend.

Then, his friend flushed it down the toilet.

Next, his friend will get his your money back.

Posted by: arhooley at September 14, 2011 05:35 PM (PKMlR)

189 RESIST WE MUCH...  any attempt to tie this to the boss. 

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 14, 2011 05:35 PM (PMfUT)

190 Uh, oh.  Hannity reporting on Solyndra.  Report him to Attaaaaack Waaaaatch!

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:36 PM (00hVo)

191 ... damn typos...

Posted by: fixerupper at September 14, 2011 05:36 PM (ffV1/)

192 148 141 Speaking of scams, I pulled up next to a Chevy Volt this morning on the freeway (btw, the first one I've seen) beeped my horn, pointed and laughed and hit the gas on my Mustang and left him in the dust.

It. Felt. Good.

I've never seen one. I hope I never do, and the odds seem good.
Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 09:24 PM

There's a big ass Chevy dealer about 4 miles from me, and from what I've seen in traffic I believe I'll see a UFO land on the beach before I see a Volt on the street. The dealer didn't even park one in the mall to show to walkby traffic, instead they had a Camaro and a Cruze


Posted by: kbdabear at September 14, 2011 05:36 PM (Y+DPZ)

193 That condescending "listen" followed by a bunch of stuttering, then annoyance was not boredom, imo. He sounded thoroughly pissed. You certainly could be right. He is very disciplined on camera, for a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. You know what astonished me? What he said went in one ear and out my other, because it was so typical of him... yet what he was doing was telling the press how to report their stories. A naked appeal to propaganda... and it barely raised my eyebrow.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:37 PM (AZGON)

194 Listen to the journalists' reaction to Obama's request (laughter), then watch how pissed off Obama gets when he sees they aren't taking him seriously. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Obama: We've stabilized(the economy), but we've stabilized with an unemployment rate that is too high." There's your campaign yard sign!

Posted by: Spiker at September 14, 2011 05:38 PM (bHfai)

195 Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 09:25 PM (00hVo)
You are asking for what I think would be called life cycle cost.  This is a farily straightforward calculation of the totality of an endeavor.  It can be very embarrassing when done objectively.

Posted by: Hrithgar at September 14, 2011 05:38 PM (i3+c5)

196 Ace,and every conservative blog,should be hitting Solyndra and F&F/Gunrunner multiple times every day.Push this shit.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:39 PM (fyOgS)

197
Listen to the journalists' reaction to Obama's request (laughter), then watch how pissed off Obama gets when he sees they aren't taking him seriously.


I didn't see that in particular; his head was too small in frame during the laughter. However, as he elaborated he looked inexplicably bored.

Posted by: George Orwell

---------------------
Seemed to me like he was in no mood for laughter. Brusque is how I'd describe him.

Based on numerous things, I think he's gonna crack.

Posted by: arhooley at September 14, 2011 05:39 PM (PKMlR)

198 We've stabilized(the economy),

Comas and death are also stable.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 05:39 PM (7utQ2)

199 OT: I think I've just realized that the only ways you can get baseball tickets right behind home plate are to be a complete babe, ex-president, or team owner.

Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 14, 2011 05:39 PM (TUax9)

200 Obama: We've stabilized(the economy), but we've stabilized with an unemployment rate that is too high." Sweet Tardasil Jeebus on a speculum. It's like he isn't even trying anymore. Hey, we've stabilized! We've stabilized at "Epic Failure," but gosh darn it, we're stable!

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:40 PM (AZGON)

201 Alinsky tells us where we are headed:

The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted

-- a revolution whose foot soldiers view the status quo as fatally flawed and wholly unworthy of salvation.

Thus, the theory goes, the people will settle for nothing less than that status quoÂ’s complete collapse -- to be followed by the erection of an entirely new system upon its ruins.

 Toward that end, they will be apt to follow the lead of charismatic radical organizers who project an aura of confidence and vision (Obama, Van Jones, etc.)

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:40 PM (OhYCU)

202 I think Obsama's kind of getting over this whole thing about being president.

Posted by: USS Diversity at September 14, 2011 05:41 PM (aD5Kx)

203 He must be on something. He looked like he was going to fall asleep, and he was blinking his eyes an awful lot. But maybe I never noticed before because I can't stand to look at that SCOAMF.

Posted by: ciceroskip at September 14, 2011 05:41 PM (kHI9e)

204 Not only did ABC cover this, but it was the top story on Yahoo news this afternoon as well (AP news carrier) as well as how NY-9 hurts Obama. Add this to the NYT/WaPo stories in the last 10 days that are anti-SCOAMF, and I think we can plainly see that the narrative has began. This morning, I said that I have now changed the odds of Obama either resigning or facing a serious primary contender from 10-1 to 5-1. The more I think about it, the more I think it should be 4-1. Don't think he'll go willingly, but his enablers might have other ideas.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 14, 2011 05:41 PM (e7ktx)

205 197 You are asking for what I think would be called life cycle cost.  This is a farily straightforward calculation of the totality of an endeavor.  It can be very embarrassing when done objectively.

Posted by: Hrithgar at September 14, 2011 09:38 PM (i3+c5)

Ah.... I was wondering when someone when would pick up on this.  Most excellent.

Now report yourself to Attaaaaaack Waaaatch immediately.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:41 PM (00hVo)

206 organizers who project an aura of confidence and vision (Obama, Van Jones, etc.) That has to be the first time "confidence" and "vision" have been within a punctuation mark of "Obama" and "Van Jones."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:42 PM (AZGON)

207 198 Steevy, Not just here but alse WE ALL need to push this in meat space.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 14, 2011 05:42 PM (AEIYh)

208

Ace,and every conservative blog,should be hitting Solyndra and F&F/Gunrunner multiple times every day.Push this shit.

(Sigh) you're probably right but I could use a Weiner thread again. Been a looong week.  (kidding, kidding)

Posted by: Erics Holder at September 14, 2011 05:42 PM (PMfUT)

209 yeah, he stabilized the economy at ZERO

Posted by: ciceroskip at September 14, 2011 05:43 PM (kHI9e)

210 This morning as I am getting into my car at a county building downtown a 20ish guy said "I like your bumper sticker." I have a NOBama one. This afternoon while I'm on the freeway a red VW Jetta passes me honks and gives me a big thumbs up. The next vehicle has an NRA decal and the next one a Vietnam Veteran license plate. Things are looking up America.

Posted by: CMU VET at September 14, 2011 05:43 PM (m+0Zk)

211 WTFenomics !!!11!!

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:43 PM (OhYCU)

212 Allof this seems so Cloward-Pivenly to me.  Basically the administration is throwing so much shit at the wall while they can, that even if some of it sticks and gets reported by the media, there is still so much more that hasn't even been uncovered (yet) it would boggle the mind.  Any attempt to investigate (Reps King &  Issa come to mind) fails because there is so much that should be investigated and it cannot all be reviewed let alone be investigated.

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 14, 2011 05:43 PM (i3+c5)

213 If you loved me you would mindlessly swallow every bite of the shit sandwich I'm trying to force-feed you. Now...open wide.
Posted by: Marybel at September 14, 2011 09:30 PM

Well, it's not like we haven't all tried this one...

Posted by: Creepy Guy at the Bus Stopg about? at September 14, 2011 05:43 PM (ay6+/)

214 211 They need to beat this story like they beat Weiner(and their weiners).

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:44 PM (fyOgS)

215 Thus, the theory goes, the people will settle for nothing less than that status quoÂ’s complete collapse -- to be followed by the erection of an entirely new system upon its ruins.

Here's the thing though - this strategy won't work in America.  We have a history of success based on a system that most Americans believe we have strayed from.  That's why any social unrest would demand a return to our previous system, not one Americans have fought against and witnessed fail over the course of history.

Just an opinion...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:44 PM (nRTou)

216 yeah, he stabilized the economy at ZERO One of the best features of Directive 10-289.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:44 PM (AZGON)

217 195 You know what astonished me? What he said went in one ear and out my other, because it was so typical of him... yet what he was doing was telling the press how to report their stories. A naked appeal to propaganda... and it barely raised my eyebrow.

Yes, this, exactly. Much as we hate to concede it, the guy does have a gift, and parts of it even work on us, even though we think they don't. I mean, he's astonishing. Every month, maybe even every week, he throws out egregious lies about what Republicans are doing, then goes off and does that thing himself, without bothering to pause in between, much of the time. He lies his ass off constantly, and gets away with it more often than not, even to Republicans. His big jobs speech? He said every part of it had been accepted by both parties at one time or another. How many noticed that the key piece, the "how do you pay for all this crap", has never been accepted by Republicans? He gets away with more lies than any man I've ever seen, and like you, I sometimes have to sort them out later because I didn't pick up on them at the time. The audacity of his lies is like nothing I've ever seen before, and whoever we nominate is in for a tough battle.

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 05:44 PM (2IW5Q)

218 215 I believed it before but I'm starting to think Obama is just a clueless SCoaMF.Not that there aren't hard lefty nuts in his admin that might be trying to Cloward&Piven us.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:46 PM (fyOgS)

219 Alinsky tells us where we are headed: The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The things Alinsky didn't take into account: the American people and the American way.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 14, 2011 05:46 PM (e7ktx)

220 With my old business plan, money was tight. I couldn't borrow an asskicking from Mike Tyson. That's when my doctor told me about Solyndra. Now I'm driving my Maserati into a state-of-the-art facility, complete with hot and cold running whores. Talk to your doctor and see if Solyndra is right for you.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 14, 2011 05:46 PM (0yt4x)

221

Now report yourself to Attaaaaaack Waaaatch immediately.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 09:41 PM (00hVo)

brb, someone is knocking at my door!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 14, 2011 05:46 PM (i3+c5)

222 "Sweet Tardasil Jeebus on a speculum."

Holy crap that's funny!!  Snot-shootin, coffee-spittin', peed my pants funny.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 14, 2011 05:46 PM (TllhK)

223 This is from Rush Limbaugh's website:

ABC News is reporting, quote: "Two weeks before President Bush left office, January 9th, 2009, the Energy Department's credit company made a unanimous decision not to offer a loan commitment to Solyndra."

We are 212 comments into this thread, so there is no fucking way I am reading much of it. For all I know this has been beaten to death somewhere above. But this, if it is true, seems like a damning indictment of Obama's administration, Obama himself, liberalism in general, and Michelle's taste in summer frocks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 14, 2011 05:46 PM (LH6ir)

224 My prediction: Attaaaaaack Waaaaaatch will be succeeded by a new website: The Ministry of Troof.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:47 PM (AZGON)

225

(Sigh) you're probably right but I could use a Weiner thread again. Been a looong week. 

Posted by: Erics Holder at September 14, 2011 09:42 PM (PMfUT)

Don't tweet your Weiner!  I'd prefer some more Scarlettt Johansson pics, but, hey, that's just me.  (I'm not reporting myself to Attaaaaack Waaaaaatch for this one.)



Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:47 PM (00hVo)

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Posted by: Dead or Alive Audiobook at September 14, 2011 05:47 PM (G77Hd)

227 You know what astonished me? What he said went in one ear and out my other, because it was so typical of him...

How about when he said the goal is "to pass this jobs bill with your help.. or ...." and right here he caught himself.  He wanted to say "blame this shit on Republicans" but instead he went with "tell the American people why it didn't get passed".

I'm telling you, he's cracking.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:47 PM (nRTou)

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 14, 2011 05:48 PM (jx2j9)

229 Remember kiddies, Green is Clean!

And those laundered bucks are very clean!

Posted by: S. O'Lyndra at September 14, 2011 05:48 PM (i3+c5)

230

brb, someone is knocking at my door!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 14, 2011 09:46 PM (i3+c5)

If it's someone selling Solyndra stock, don't open the door

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:49 PM (00hVo)

231 Tsunami!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:49 PM (OhYCU)

232 231 This country is in mortal danger.A nut is POTUS.

Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2011 05:49 PM (fyOgS)

233 OMG.

I'm innocently watching "King of the Hill" reruns, and what comes on but an ad for a new school. The school is the "Ecotech Institute," a school that prepares people for careers in the "green energy" field.

Here's a bit from their website:

-- the first and only college entirely focused on preparing graduates for careers in the rapidly growing fields of renewable energy, sustainable design and energy efficiency- with practical, hands-on training designed to meet the demands of employers in the green economy.

So... what we're doing here is providing opportunities for people to go into six figures of debt to prepare for a non existent job at a non existent company.

I mean, sure, there are no real jobs for philosophy/ performance art majors, but everyone knows that. This seems to be worse, simply because they're training people for imaginary jobs, while the philosophy/ performance art students aren't training for anything.

Cloward Piven indeed.

Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2011 05:49 PM (z63Tr)

234 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2011 09:24 PM (7utQ2)

"Let me put my cigar in your snatch" is pretty creepy too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 14, 2011 05:49 PM (LH6ir)

235 But what other President would lap up that bizarre expression of affection like a cat sticking his head in a bottle of cream? I can't think of another who wouldn't have chuckled and deftly bailed.

If the student was a chick, Clinton would have sent someone to pick her up.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 14, 2011 05:50 PM (0vDuM)

236 Don't think he'll go willingly, but his enablers might have other ideas.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 14, 2011 09:41 PM (e7ktx)

If he is off the ticket, the Democrats will have a tremendous time holding their base.  They'll lose scores of statewide seats.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2011 05:50 PM (73tyQ)

237 Alinsky was a moron to assume that the people presiding over the rubble were going to have a raging hard on for Marx, Lenin, Mao, etc. That fucker should have been deported to Angola to find out how well peoples' revolutions go for assholes like him. But what do you expect from a guy that bragged that he thought he could pull the same bit in Hell.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 14, 2011 05:50 PM (ijjAe)

238 The things Alinsky didn't take into account: the American people and the American way. Posted by: Countrysquire at September 14, 2011 09:46 PM

Also not taken into account was that like Paul Krugman, Saul Alinsky loved to fap to his own scribblings

Posted by: kbdabear at September 14, 2011 05:50 PM (Y+DPZ)

239 220 - Yes!  He is a most apt pupil. Perhaps my best.  Now, may I see your papers?

Posted by: Joseph Goebbles at September 14, 2011 05:50 PM (Kkt/i)

240 How about when he said the goal is "to pass this jobs bill with your help.. or ...." Yes, that was very careless of SCOAMF. The mask dropped.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:50 PM (AZGON)

241 It doesn't matter that Alinsky is a moron.  The moron in chief is following Alinsky's principles straight to oblivion.

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:52 PM (OhYCU)

242 213.... I think that the examples you posted are shining reasons why the tactics Pi describes in 203 arent going to work here. Marx Engels and Lenin flourished in Russia becasue of generations on Monarchical abuse towards the citizenry. Here in the States we have 200 years of history with the concepts of democracy,freedom, enterprise, community and a surge in the wealth and power of our country. If the "progressives" are succesful in orchestrating a crash in this society..... they are likely to be the target of the ire of the general citizenry.... and I doubt it would end well for them.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 14, 2011 05:52 PM (ffV1/)

243 The falls guys for this: DoE bureaucrats. If that is not enough, Joey B for pushing the loan guarantee, with maybe Rahm thrown in if necessary.

Posted by: museisluse at September 14, 2011 05:52 PM (4Lj43)

244 239 But what other President would lap up that bizarre expression of affection like a cat sticking his head in a bottle of cream? I can't think of another who wouldn't have chuckled and deftly bailed.

If the student was a chick, Clinton would have sent someone to pick her up.

Good point.

Posted by: Splunge at September 14, 2011 05:53 PM (2IW5Q)

245 Chaos or Bust !!!

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:53 PM (OhYCU)

246 They broke the story my ass, and did ya see Biden getting thrown under the bus!!

Posted by: lou at September 14, 2011 05:54 PM (R21xD)

247

 

 

Well, it's like a whole bunch of FAT RICH WHITE GUYS are trying to get rich off the government.

And I thought that's what Bush and Cheney, that is BushCo, did. Not a bunch of do-gooder idiot liberals who worship Mao! They would never use the leftie busslhit as a shield to rip off a bunch of people...

That's NEVER EVER happened. NEVER NEVER EVER EVER NEVER.

How fat is Al Gore now? Is he pushing 4 bills? Is he looking like John Pinette yet? Louie Anderson? Shirley Hemphill?

 

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Miller at September 14, 2011 05:54 PM (s5aNX)

248 All part of Fast and Furious, and Arab Spring ... The government used money that was to be a loaned to Solynda which as a front company it was not a loan but a money launder system which was used to buy guns. Those guns where  then sold to the cartels. They took that money to buy more guns and then sell those guns to the Libyan and the like rebels. All nicely lander and redistributed with no direct link on who paid for the guns in the first place. Oh and a nice deposit into the reelection campaign of some other front group for SCoaMF

Posted by: Tjexcite at September 14, 2011 05:54 PM (/QtpF)

249 Criticizing Alinsky for being stupid is not rational. Alinsky was extremely smart. His only significant mistake was in assuming that Americans were as comfortable with a strong central government as his European ancestors. He was not completely correct, but it remains to be seen whether he was wrong.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 14, 2011 05:55 PM (LH6ir)

250 Obama: We've stabilized(the economy), but we've stabilized with an unemployment rate that is too high."

and here I thought that last summer was a "recovery Summer" but whattahelldoiknow?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 14, 2011 05:55 PM (UrPTC)

251 So some of you morons think Dick Soetero will actually crack? If he does, and on camera, I'll be so deep in pudding you'll need an offshore oil platform to drill me out.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:55 PM (AZGON)

252 Marx Engels and Lenin flourished in Russia becasue of generations on Monarchical abuse towards the citizenry. Here in the States we have 200 years of history with the concepts of democracy,freedom, enterprise, community and a surge in the wealth and power of our country. If the "progressives" are succesful in orchestrating a crash in this society..... they are likely to be the target of the ire of the general citizenry.... and I doubt it would end well for them.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 14, 2011 09:52 PM (ffV1/)

Precisely why my battle cry is "Americans Don't Serf"

Posted by: LGoPs at September 14, 2011 05:55 PM (+Uv5V)

253 Obama sees himself an Alinsky hero...

"he said that organizers must be entirely unpredictable and unmistakably willing -- for the sake of the moral principles in whose name they claim to act -- to watch society descend into utter chaos and anarchy.

He stated that they must be prepared, if necessary, to “go into a state of complete confusion and draw [their] opponent into the vortex of the same confusion."

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 14, 2011 05:56 PM (OhYCU)

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 14, 2011 05:56 PM (o2lIv)

255 I'm reading something about a speech in these comments.  Did Barky give a speech tonight?  And is it good or bad that I had no clue whatsoever?

Posted by: joejm65 at September 14, 2011 05:57 PM (UZuc4)

256

Precisely why my battle cry is "Americans Don't Serf"

Posted by: LGoPs at September 14, 2011 09:55 PM (+Uv5V)

I like it.  (Attaaaaack Waaaaatch doesn't.)

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 05:58 PM (00hVo)

257 Posted by: LGoPs at September 14, 2011 09:55 PM (+Uv5V)

That's "Charlie don't surf."

Posted by: Colonel Kilgore at September 14, 2011 05:59 PM (LH6ir)

258 So... what we're doing here is providing opportunities for people to go into six figures of debt to prepare for a non existent job at a non existent company.

Probably not six figures, but twenty grand at least I'll bet.

Like the Cordon Bleu academies where you spend $60,000 to get a job paying $8.00/hr as a fry cook.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 14, 2011 05:59 PM (Tpbu+)

259 I'm reading something about a speech in these comments.  Did Barky give a speech tonight?  And is it good or bad that I had no clue whatsoever?

No speech.  Go to therightscoop[dot]com.  He was trying to rally black journalists to push his jobs bill and they laughed at him.  He was not happy.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 05:59 PM (nRTou)

260 Notes from today's hearing The Democrat spin from the hearing is profoundly nauseating. John "Dingbat" Dingell saw nothing to make him "concerned." Fascists in a fiscal whorehouse.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 14, 2011 05:59 PM (AZGON)

261 It's not a preference cascade, it's a preservation cascade.

They ain't goin' down with him.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2011 05:59 PM (73tyQ)

262 I'm going to start stalking Johnny {John E.}, just because I can and because of his awesome sauce. 

You my man ,are a man of merit.  Me thinks I'm gonna have to keep you.

I'll stay far away from you galfriend and/or wife, to not warrant a restraining order.   But dayum, man, you are funny!

Posted by: jwm at September 14, 2011 05:59 PM (spEu4)

263 You my man ,are a man of merit.  Me thinks I'm gonna have to keep you.

I'll stay far away from you galfriend and/or wife, to not warrant a restraining order.   But dayum, man, you are funny!

Thank you!

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 06:01 PM (nRTou)

264 All fine and dandy but, when will hear that Issa has appointed a special prosecutor to look into F & F?

Posted by: Big Eichmann at September 14, 2011 06:01 PM (EL+OC)

265 No speech.  Go to therightscoop[dot]com.  He was trying to rally black journalists to push his jobs bill and they laughed at him.  He was not happy.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 09:59 PM (nRTou)

Wow.  Good thing I didn't know that or I would be required to report them to Attaaaaaaack Waaaaatch.  And myself for thinking this is the funniest thing I've read all day.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 06:02 PM (00hVo)

266

"If the "progressives" are succesful in orchestrating a crash in this society..... they are likely to be the target of the ire of the general citizenry.... and I doubt it would end well for them."

 

Just go to your local community college or small liberal arts school or college...

That's where there at...hell, go to any school, K-12, University, Head Start...whatever.

It's where they hide, to do the most damage, the little scoundrels with that freak twinkle in their eye.

 

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Miller at September 14, 2011 06:02 PM (s5aNX)

267 Administration ignored warnings on CLASS:

"Even as leading Democrats offered assurances to the contrary, government experts repeatedly warned that a new long-term care insurance plan could go belly up, saddling taxpayers with another underfunded benefit program, according to emails disclosed by congressional investigators.

...A longstanding priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program, or CLASS, was spliced into the health care law despite nagging budget worries. Administration emails and documents reveal that alarms were sounded earlier and more widely than previously thought. Congressional Republicans seeking repeal of the program provided the materials to The Associated Press."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 14, 2011 06:03 PM (o2lIv)

268 No speech. Go to therightscoop[dot]com. He was trying to rally black journalists to push his jobs bill and they laughed at him. He was not happy.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 14, 2011 09:59 PM (nRTou)

 

Thank you.  I won't watch the video.  Just knowing that he flubbed is good enough for me.

Posted by: joejm65 at September 14, 2011 06:05 PM (UZuc4)

269 Mrs. Took went to a Tea Party rally last week (terrorist Hobbit grandma that she is) and said that someone was saying that there was a nice little 10% tax on all bank transactions hidden away in the 2000+ pages of the Obamacare bill.  Anyone have any information about that?  True or not?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 06:08 PM (00hVo)

270 Mrs. Took went to a Tea Party rally last week (terrorist Hobbit grandma that she is) and said that someone was saying that there was a nice little 10% tax on all bank transactions hidden away in the 2000+ pages of the Obamacare bill.  Anyone have any information about that?  True or not?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 14, 2011 10:08 PM (00hVo)

I think that must be called the Dillinger Provision. After that guy who knew where the money was.

Bastards. Every one of them that voted for Obamacare.

 

 

Posted by: LGoPs at September 14, 2011 06:11 PM (+Uv5V)

271 I spent $545 million on Solyndra and all I got was congressional testimony.

Posted by: American Taxpayer at September 14, 2011 06:11 PM (bHfai)

272  "Cheney is actually holding a machete

Pffft.  It's a shotgun."

No, he's holding a shark holding a shotgun..

Posted by: jukin at September 14, 2011 06:18 PM (vkkNZ)

273 276 I spent $545 million on Solyndra and all I got was congressional testimony.

Posted by: American Taxpayer at September 14, 2011 10:11 PM (bHfai)

Just shut up.

Posted by: Darrell Issa's Chin Strap at September 14, 2011 06:18 PM (EL+OC)

274 Last night Ace spanked Weiner and today ABC runs a story he pushed to Jake Tapper. It's been a good week. Hobos will die tonight and the Ewok shall feast.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at September 14, 2011 06:19 PM (KqQ0V)

275 Solyndrasil protects against HPV (Hobosexual Puddin Virus)

Posted by: jonsten at September 14, 2011 06:21 PM (arAUB)

276 Money fer nuthin and yer chicks fer free!

Posted by: Starboardhelm at September 14, 2011 06:30 PM (hHgxI)

277 This administration has got to be the stupidest, most criminal enterprise America has ever known. 

Posted by: Fritz at September 14, 2011 06:31 PM (FabC8)

278 ALL IS WELL!!!!!

Posted by: GERG! at September 14, 2011 06:35 PM (vHu6+)

279 Sounds like they accidentally fed the profit projection data through the climate model program. 

Posted by: Voluble at September 14, 2011 06:42 PM (JKX4x)

280 The problem with these "models" is they too often equate production capacity with production yield.  Semiconductor manufacturing (which is what solar panels basically are) can be tricky business and the product can have flaws that make it useless.  So it doesn't matter how many wafers you are capable of processing if a large percentage of them turn out to be defective which is what seems like happened in this case.  They apparently had a lot of waste product.

They should have had semiconductor experts from other manufacturers in the area (it's called "silicon valley" for a reason) have a look at the operation.  My guess is they were using conventional manufacturing models and not models specifically aimed at semiconductor manufacturing.  Heck, it is not unheard of to have an entire day's production thrown out due to contamination.  It doesn't happen often, but it happens.  That is why they have these huge clean rooms and bunny suits.  One sneeze and there goes the day's product.

Posted by: crosspatch at September 14, 2011 06:45 PM (ZbLJZ)

281 This one is going to sting them.  I happen to believe the facts will be as bad, or worse, as they look but it looks so bad that it hardly matters. 

As an aside, I notice attackwatch is not following Ace yet.  Hope that changes.  It's good to have achievable goals to shoot for. 

Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2011 07:06 PM (UvR6d)

282 #186   I think that Axelrod or someone HIRES people to say "I love you."  I also think they hired people to pretend to faint.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 14, 2011 07:22 PM (Fo83G)

283 I guess the only question I have is, who broke this story?

Posted by: km at September 14, 2011 07:23 PM (rv1KT)

284

The Left knows Obama is political toast and has a big ego. To clear the field for another perhaps they will want him to undergo the beginnings of impeachment so he will have to resign. Then Hillary can step in  for the presidency.

Posted by: mbabbitt at September 14, 2011 07:45 PM (/iAOK)

285 I think I better let attackwatch know that I heard rumors that Obama was begging black journalists to carry his water for him.

Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2011 07:46 PM (UvR6d)

286

Maybe at some point these hearings and floggings will drill down into the cause of the failure. I would like to know if the tech was good but the biz was bad, or what? Did they fail because the tech is bad, phony, outdated by the Chinese versions, or what? Or, was the tech really good but the biz guys really bad at their jobs? Who will get this tech in the bankruptcy proceedings, I mean the patents and that kind of thing? I hope they didn't owe money to some company in China if those patents are worth gloaming onto.

Posted by: Errol at September 14, 2011 08:26 PM (vewos)

287

I only gave them a wedgie onceÂ… maybe twiceÂ… I am surprised they we broke so soon. So donÂ’t blame me. This is BarkyÂ’s pet hole.

Posted by: Barney F at September 14, 2011 08:29 PM (XjzEc)

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