1 Ze papers please!

2 I predict the crackdown will /severely/ injure Alabama's economy.

3 > 2 I predict the crackdown will /severely/ injure Alabama's economy. Posted by: Texan Economist That's possible. Now what effect do you think NOT cracking down will have over the next 20 years? Note that when it became difficult to hire illegal aliens to pick tomatoes, that's when picking tomatoes became automated.

4 I agree with the post. Entirely.

5 The economic impact argument is a straw-man. This is supposed to be a civil society that is based on the RULE OF LAW. If we do not have that, then everything else falls apart and we become a tyranny, the soft or hard variety. That's when malignant little fascists like Elizabeth Warren, Bev Perdue and Peter Orszag leap in, to say nothing of what SCOAMF has been doing for the past 3 years. Time to restore the republic or forever suffer the consequences.

6 2 I predict the crackdown will /severely/ injure Alabama's economy. Posted by: Texan Economist at October 01, 2011 05:07 AM (TC/9F) I predict just the opposite; Alabama will SAVE many millions of tax payer dollars by not having to provide services to ILLEGAL NON-CITIZENS. That money, invested and put into the free market economy will pump up the Alabama economy significantly.

7 Alabama will find it's entitlement programs suddenly become more manageable. Funny how that works.

8 I read the unemployment rate in Mexico is much lower than it is here.  They can go back.  As for feeling sorry for them, there are people around the world in far worse shape than they are in, some are starving or being killed.  Some are enslaved. 

It is all very sad but obviously there is only so much we can do.  We have taken on millions of people and they now have a better life here.  We also do what we can to help the needy in their home countries.  In the end the law must prevail however.  It does no good to sink the only country that is propping up civilization.

9 Isn't federal aid based on statistics regarding the cost for educating illegals in the US? It's all about the benjamins!

10 Why should anybody feel sorry for the illegals?  If I went to France, for example, and though "Hey, I like it here and I'm just gonna fucking stay" do you think they'd give a rat's ass when they eventually find me and send me packing?  Fuck no; and I wouldn't deserve one ounce of sympathy.  Same here; I'm tired of hearing "Well we can't send them back" which is shorthand for somebody lacking the will to send them back.  A nation that can invent the atomic bomb in the middle of a war sure as hell has the wherewithal to enforce its laws.  It's just that we have a bunch of worthless fucking quislings in our midst.

11

Yeah and they plan on suing us next

You see what a difference NOT being in the 9th circuit makes.

Yeah and they plan on suing us next

What really pisses me off is that we pay for them suing the States. It used to be unheard of for the federal government to sue the States in a civil action.  What we need is a new law (as soon as we get the Senate) that prohibits the DOJ or anyone in the executive department from initiating ANY civil action against the States unless it involves a contract dispute.

In the meantime the House should defund the DOJ until all the Obamanite crooks beginning at the top are fired.

12 oops

13 Damn! Assholes on F&F defending Obama on his stupid "soft" statement. MUST.TURN.OFF

14 In Montgomery County, more than 200 Hispanic students were absent the morning after the judge's Wednesday ruling. A handful withdrew.

That was unexpected.

15 I get a kick out of the of dude who asks what what really is the definition of a citizen. Well now, for starters how about being fucking born here, and if not,  get in line and do all the shit you're supposed to do to become a legal citizen, like other immigrants who have done it legally. Better yet, go fuck up in some other country and try to get an American embassy to help you without proof you are an American citizen, then you'll find out what citizen means real fucking quick.

16 The United States is the ONLY modern country I know of that does not enforce its borders.

17 "How are you going to remove 12 million undocumented?" Here's an answer - cut off the reasons they come here (jobs (via that online id check) schools) and they'll remove themselves.

Nail-on-the-Head stuff.  If I knew it was that easy, I'd'a done it myself!

18 I live in an agricultural county in Alabama.  We always had migrant workers here during the season but about 15 years ago, suddenly, they didn't migrate.  It was a striking change from one year to the next.  I haven't yet heard whether we have lost students in the local schools but I expect it will be in the news next week if we have.

On the plus side, we now have three really good Mexican restaurants in town.

19 Oh, another plus of sorts, I can speak a lot more Spanish now than I could a decade ago.

20 The children!, think about the poor lawns and the dishes!

21 Yeah, maybe the young teens can go around and mow lawns for bucks the way I did.

22 3, cool - robot factory jobs are green jobs

23 Good luck with that, California.

24 Let's see, what other kinds of organisms flee when a light is shined upon them?

25

So it's good for the economy if locals have high unemployment and the immigrant workers that you hire to take their jobs send the majority of their money out of country?

Seems counter inuitive.

26 I get a kick out of the of dude mushy-headed highschool student who asks what what really is the definition of a citizen.

FIFY

27 Good for Alabama. I wish we could do the same here! Texas would save billions! Of course, then we would be heartless but I am okay with that. My husband says I am heartless already, so what the hell.

28 oh speaking of idiot students:

so there was an item in our local paper, a little ask-the-person-on-the-street deal, asking college students who they would like to see come speak at next year's convocation.  They asked 5 students.

2 said "Obama".
1 said "Joe Paterno".
1 said someone I had never heard of.
1 said "Einstein".

Idiots.

29 Back in the day actual Americans were migrant workers. Now with the all encompassing dole and 3 free meals a day for the kids, why bother?

30

Posted by: chemjeff at October 01, 2011 07:38 AM (s7mIC)

Give 'em a break. Not a single one knew what "convocation" meant.

31 Alabama Slammer

32 Ugh. It's turned coldish and it is raining. 2 of my sons have football games. One at 9am and one at 3pm (late b/c of SATs). That means there is almost no chance of my not standing outside in the rain.

33 mmmmm....The tears....so delicious you guys....they sustain me.

34 Dale Peterson, Alabama Stud

35 Hank Aaron, Alabama Native

36 Alabama Limousine

37 Well, since we have degenerated to corny Alabama redneck jokes, must be time for the "NEWS".

Primary wars are on. Don't expect to see resolution today

I have never liked the way the RNC has set primary dates but what FL has done here is BS.

SC RNC discusses moving dates AND the problems it causes.

This story is plastered all over the papers and political sites. FL did the same shit in 2008 and will likely continue doing this same shit. Perhaps it does illustrate the fact that the RNC really does need to reform the process in a meaningful way instead of the last change they made which is BS. Hell, they made the first 3 primaries “proportional” while keeping the latter ones winner take all. So what is the punishment to one of those early States for moving its primary? Oh you lose half your delegates. Gee, they are already going to be split between 7 candidates so the totals are meaningless anyway. Some punishment eh.

What the RNC needs to do is reward Republican States by having them go first in the primaries. IOW let the States with the most Republican base (based on % R win) have more say in determining who the candidate will be. Also, instead of having a few early States then massive “Super-Tuesday” BS, have it split up more and do 2 or 3 States at a time.

And put some punishment in the rules for States that violate the rules. Remove ALL their delegates and forbid candidates from campaigning in the State.

38

Bad-ass skeeters hitting Vermont?

Not really, just the same ones we put up with every summer. What is funny for me on a personal note having grown up with these little bastards is that they didnÂ’t use to bother me. I could go fishing down in the creeks and swamps and have clouds of them around me with no impact. But after I returned to the South after years of travel I lost my immunity. They aggravate the shit out of me now and I donÂ’t sit out in the evenings anymore with Deepwoods Off.

39

In a mad rush to get it in before the deadline the Energy Department approved $4.7B in solar loans yesterday

Yes, that’s $4.7B with a “B”. But we could only cut the rate of increase for spending this year by a few million, and then they couldn’t even live with that and threatened to shut down the government unless they got their green spending BS.

40

NRO discusses the $5 debit card fee and why it is being charged

I did not know this, thank you assholes in the press who hide the actions of the communists in congress. I thought this fee was on top of what they were charging merchants and it was designed to offset fees they were losing in other areas from the Piss Dodd – Bwarney Fwank bill. It is not.

Dickhead Durbin had put in an amendment that stopped them from charging merchants the fee (which was a percentage of the purchase). So now the banks will charge the consumer. ItÂ’s the law of consequences. I will no longer call it unintended consequences. The stupid SOBs like Durbin know full well what they are doing.

Once again thank Scott Brown, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe for breaking that filibuster and allowing this POS to hit the floor. Of course all of you lying RINO assholes then voted against it so you could make out like you were with the Party. Fuck you all. This is why RINOs do far more damage than just the occasional crossing over and why ACU ratings donÂ’t say it all. Those 3 RINOs will get credit for voting against this POS when they actually enabled the bill and voted for it.

41

Eco-tards lose in mining permit battle in AK.

WouldnÂ’t it be nice if they had to pay the court costs?

H/T BMWES

And now we can get back to trashing Alabama

42

Having illegal aliens in the country never bothered me as much as it seems to bother those that it bothers more. Although it wouldn't bother me if they were arrested and kicked out either. Its fairly rude to hoist a mexican flag in the US, and refuse to assimilate into the culture though.

43

1Ze papers please!

-----

Stupid mofo's that say things sarcasticly like "Show me your papers!" never seem to have a problem with giving the government the right to force you to show the IRS all your papers once a year, signed under penalty of perjury. But god forbid someone ask a mexican who doesn't speak the language to merely show an ID.

44

One of my co-workers does a lot of business in Chicago, and the plan, according to a "well to do" Mexican (who may not be legal even after all these years) living in Chicago he knows, is for well-to-do Mexican  immigrants to bring in  more family, friends and acquaintances to work here for 5-10 years and have money to send home, then go home after their families have been able to buy land, and lead a good life in Mexico. This guy has allegedly already bought four farms in Mexico, per my co-worker.

The illegals hurt the economy in two ways:

1) they depress the value of the labor market,as they work for less and frequently are paid in cash, so they don't pay into Social Security, because they don't have SS number (or phony ones at that).  They hurt native Americans at the bottom of the labor market.

2) they take money out of the economy and send it back to Mexico to buy land.  Probably better than the drug trade, which takes a lot of  money out of the economy in the US and sends it back to Mexico to fund more crime, but still a negative.

Plus, their continued long term presence undermines the Rule of Law, because is lessens the respect for law which is the glue which ties the country together.  Poor illegals - lets look the other way while they break the law, because we don't want to seem heartless. Sweet. What kind of country will our kids inherit?  Doesn't matter what happens to our kids, because we can't be mean or heartless to illegals from Mexico.

45

All RINOs should be rounded up and sent back to Afreaka! They took er jerbs!

Posted by: Skinny Leonard at October 01, 2011 08:05 AM (bZ8J6)

LOL, I know that comment was meant as snarc, but if you think about it, it really isn't.

This POS bill is almost as big a job killer as Obamacare.

So call me the Breeze as I breeze through all this crap.

46 People can bleat and heart bleed all they want, but states have got to take steps to curb illegal immigration when the federal government won't. Do a lot of Mexicans work hard? Sure. Will they in 20-30 years if we allow them to latch on to US entitlements? Doubt it. The South has had massive amounts of illegals move in in the last 20 years. Many work in agriculture or landscaping now, but it is very possible illegal Hispanics in the South will turn out much like those in Los Angeles; gang infested and in a perpetual state of racial conflict with blacks

47 But god forbid someone ask a mexican who doesn't speak the language to merely show an ID.

What is truly ironic about that is the courts have long ruled that police can stop people and ask for ID and name and that the people MUST answer.

48 Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 01, 2011 08:10 AM (Lt/Za)

Aha, a new paradigm, throw the entire agency under the bus.

49 meh - we tease Alabama because we love Alabama

plus, I did also post the link to Hank Aaron, famous Alabaman

50 Don't mind Texas Economist..Texans scared to death they'll have to pick cotton again.

51 Nobody picks cotton by hand anymore anyway.

52 Vic at October 01, 2011 07:58 AM
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From the article:

Presidential candidates campaign in the Palmetto State for one reason: For 31 years, South Carolina Republican primary voters have had a perfect record for picking their partyÂ’s presidential nominees. The message is: If you win South Carolina, you win the nomination.
==================================

I suspect, that the reason for having primaries on different dates in different states came about to allow candidates to go from state to state to campaign.. A holdover from the time of slow communications... Before Computers.. Before TV.. Maybe, even before Radio.

It really sticks in my craw, any one state has this much influence on the nomination process.

53 Once again thank Scott Brown, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe for breaking that filibuster and allowing this POS to hit the floor. Yep. And if I recall correctly Snowe voted Obamoacare out of committee. They needed one more vote and she willingly gave it. Without that vote they wouldn't have been able to proceed and we wouldn't have Obamacare. Rinos have to go. By the way... Vic do you live in Vermont?

54 My best question about illegals is if they come to this country to work, then why are they entitled to food stamps, section 8, aide to children, etc?  If they're not working, it's back to Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Zamunda, etc.

Actually in most States they are not because federal law prohibits welfare to illegals. Where they get around it is that law does not apply to children. And after all those welfare reforms during the Gingrich congress that "eliminated welfare as we know it", the liberals simply moved it all into children services.

So we have welfare out the kazoo, while saying we don't, we prohibit welfare to illegals, while giving it to their "children".

Everything they do in Washington is a huge lie.

55 By the way... Vic do you live in Vermont?

Oh no, I live in SC, home of big skeeters.

56 I once considered buying some property in Switzerland...I found out that foreigners can't own property but they can have an agent act as a go-between buyer.  You then get the "use" of the property without specific ownership...In speaking with the real estate agent she mentioned that I would have to prove that I would not be a burden on the swiss government to get the required visa...You know, welfare type stuff...Hmmmh, maybe the swiss are on to something...

57 I once considered buying some property in Switzerland...I found out that foreigners can't own property but they can have an agent act as a go-between buyer.

Guess what, Mexico is the same way.

58 By the way... Vic do you live in Vermont? Oh no, I live in SC, home of big skeeters. Couldn't picture you in Vermont!

59 Couldn't picture you in Vermont!

Posted by: macintx at October 01, 2011 08:25 AM (ucs8Y)

I've been there though!

60

"Everything they do in Washington is a huge lie."

Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2011 08:20 AM (M9Ie6)

And we are here uncovering the lies...Doing the job that tens of thousands of journalists won't do... 

61

Read the story earlier.  If the MSM was really about getting to the bottom of this story, they would ask some questions of wailing liberals that would highlight the contradictions of the liberal positions.

1)  Why are we concerned about jobs for illegals when lots of Americans are out of work?

2)  You want more money for education, so why is it a problem when money spent on children that shouldn't be here is freed up for actual American children?  Also, doesn't this reduce the teacher to student ratio that you are always yammering about?

3)  You clammer for a living wage with benefits, yet are silent when illegals are paid below minimum wage without any benefits.  Why isn't it a good thing that these jobs are now being opened up for people that have to be paid a living wage with benefits?

4)  Wouldn't it hurt all these illegals to make them American citizens or legal aliens because then they would be entitled to minimum wage and benefits and the corporations would turn around and lay them all off so they could hire new illegal aliens that could be paid substandard wages without benefits?

5)  Would you be willing to lose your job so that an illegal alien could do it for less without any benefits? (NYT and many other liberal publications might actually become readable and intelligent with this one)

Right there, you raise liberal incoherence on three of their major issues:  Jobs, living wage, and money for public education

62 And we are here uncovering the lies...Doing the job that tens of thousands of journalists won't do...

Yeah but the MFM assholes never let the public know about all the lies. If you look at all the major papers and TV news shows on the $5 debit card fee BOA is getting all the blame.  No mention that the other banks are doing it too.

And absolutely no mention that Durbin, Dodd, and Frank caused it.

63 Speaking of fences....

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB) agency suggests erecting fences along parts of the Canadian-U.S. border might be one way to keep terrorists and criminals out in future.

http://tinyurl.com/3qsu79w

64 Ok, I can understand this massage.

65 Speaking of fences....

Yeah, if it costs $1.4T to build a fence on the southern border which is 2,000 miles long just think how much it would cost to build one on the border with Canada that is over 5,000 miles long.

66 What is truly ironic about that is the courts have long ruled that police can stop people citizens and ask for ID and name and that the people MUST answer. Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2011 08:12 AM

Fixed it for ya, Vic.

When I lived in California I was enraged after every visit to the Department of Motor Vehicles. I had to show a Social Security number to renew my license, while others (mainly those who had surnames such as Lopez, Gomez, etc.) clearly did not.

Don't know why it bothered me. After all, I could take the written driver's test in my choice of 18 languages....

67 OT Interesting article in sidebar regarding flat tax. I really like the idea of this. Not a big fan of Cain's 999 plan. Big gov would love the power of national sales tax and income tax.

68 I actually agree with fencing in some areas. It would at least slow down the unlawful traffic in some of the vast, unmonitored areas.
re:snowmobiles being used to transport contraband
It's just ironic that it's being floated/mentioned for the northern border, by the current administration.

69 The Huckmeister on FNC, making it clear he's not even thinking of running...

70 HAHA - first Google result for a search of "ron paul mothership" returns this link
they're actually kinda serious!

71 It's just ironic that it's being floated/mentioned for the northern border, by the current administration.

not really
it's the strategy of, "well we can't fence the southern border, because if we did that we'd have to fence the northern border too, to be fair, and that's like really hard, so we won't do anything"

72 I predict the crackdown will /severely/ injure Alabama's economy. Posted by: Texan Economist
...........
First, multiply each of those kids by roughly $10k.. the amount state and local governments pay to educate them. Then add in all the Medicaid services.. unpaid visits to the ER's around the state, and all the other social services used up by these folks.

People will end up paying more for their lawn service and maybe more for restaurant food, and maybe a lot of other services/products.. but I would take that trade-off any day!

73 Good morning, morons and 'ettes! 

74 good morning Y-not
how is life, the universe & everything at your end

75 It would at least slow down the unlawful traffic in some of the vast, unmonitored areas.

Fences are worthless in unmonitored areas. A fence serves two purposes with regard to security:

1. It keeps honest people out (or in)
2. It acts as a force multiplier for all the rest.

IOW you will need fewer security personnel to enforce a boundary with a fence than without a fence.  However, you STILL will need security personnel.

A fence does make sense in some areas that have high populations on both sides of the border where it would take a LOT of security people, but in the remote areas they cost more than they are worth.

76 13 Damn! Assholes on F&F defending Obama on his stupid "soft" statement. MUST.TURN.OFF Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2011 06:08 AM (M9Ie6) Fox took a dive the day Brit Hume retired. Oh well, more time to hit AOSHQ for truth, justice, pudding, Liquid Whore and hobo-hunts.

77 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2011 08:47 AM (UlUS4)

Yeah, but F&F is always liberal, and the weekend version even more so.

78 Oh year, I forgot about the poultry factory that got mentioned in passing.  Wouldn't this be a case of an evil corporate fat cat losing access to underpaid labor that fattens his bottom line, you know at the expense of poor people, and having to spend some of that illgotten gain on hiring legal workers at a living wage with benefits?  Do liberals hate poor people that are also Americans?  Why don't they have a heart and celebrate the creation of jobs for unemployed Americans?  Obama could steal the idea from Alabama and claim to have created lots of jobs for Americans, although it would be more of a take back jobs from illegals rather than actually creating, but the end result would be the same, more employed Americans who can vote legally once per election.

79 77 OT Interesting article in sidebar regarding flat tax. I really like the idea of this. Not a big fan of Cain's 999 plan. Big gov would love the power of national sales tax and income tax. Posted by: macintx at October 01, 2011 08:37 AM (ucs8Y) I saw this. Cain actually likes a VAT tax. Ugh!

80 @85
Pretty good... or looking up, anyway.  Hubby had his first doctor appt (for his depression) yesterday and I think it went decently.  He's pretty introverted, so doing this sort of thing is a huge step for him.

Also... and amazingly to me... we are refinancing our mortgage only three months after the first one.  It's zero cost but we're still dropping almost half a percentage point and... miraculously... the house appreciated so we'll lose the PMI. 

Make sure to check into yours after you pass the 120 day mark and see if it would make sense for you to refinance. 

How's the semester going?

81 @86

Whenever I hear about a partial fence all I can think of is the Maginot Line. 

How are you feeling, Vic?

82 I saw this. Cain actually likes a VAT tax. Ugh!

If I understand his plan correctly it is not a VAT. It is a one point sales tax.

But,. I am not for that either. If we are going to screw with the tax system I say repeal all taxes and then institute a flat tax on all income regardless of amount or source.

AND absolutely no deductions or exemptions.

83 When you supplement the fence with electronic sensors in the ground, the security people know exactly where to go, right now. I know of two military bases that have this now (and those are just the ones I know about).  If you get too close to the fence a helicopter flies over and has a look. Whatever that costs is cheap in comparison to, oh say, five hundred ER visits in a day in a San Diego hospital.

84 How are you feeling, Vic?

Oh I am feeling great. Will not actually start chemo until week after next.

85 Oh, that's right! Good Morning, Earthlings! Take me to your Beaver!

86

5)  Would you be willing to lose your job so that an illegal alien could do it for less without any benefits?

Si, we can do that.

87 the flat or VAT tax would be great if the current system was shelved.  but what will happen is that those taxes would be added on top of what we have now. 

88 VAT in the style the Euros do it would never be great.

89 they're actually kinda serious!
Posted by: chemjeff at October 01, 2011 08:41 AM

Blimps for all!

Shows you how far out of touch the Paulbots are. No mention of high-speed rail!!11!!!

90

Good morning, all.

More propaganda in the link in my name for Vic and anyone else looking for a new bank.

2010, USAA Bank returned the majority of the money it collected from merchants to its members in the form of benefits, such as free checking, ATM fee refunds and debit rewards.

Because the new law will reduce these interchange fees, USAA Bank had to re-evaluate the value of offering debit card rewards and other checking account benefits. ...

"USAA's survey found that members favored free checking and ATM fee refunds over debit card rewards. Based on this feedback, we decided to stop the debit card rewards to maintain the other benefits," Bohne says.

91 "This is what democracy looks like!"  Why do they always shout that?  Is it supposed to be a good argument for something?

92

Posted by: Y-not at October 01, 2011 08:49 AM (5H6zj)

That is great news about your husband.  Yeah I'm an introverted guy myself (can't you tell? ) so yeah it is a huge deal that he is going to get help.

Semester is going okay, it is a lot more work than I had planned on.  I might have structured my courses differently if I had actually thought ahead a little bit.  But I am slowly getting caught up on everything.  Next week they have an exam, which is good for me (one less lecture to prepare for).

That is a great idea about refinancing.  I don't think my house will have appreciated any by that point but I might have enough saved up & paid down to eliminate the PMI by that point.  I am close.  Plus rates are lower now, amazingly.  I got 3.875% on 15 yr fixed and I thought that was a sweet deal.  But then again that was before the downgrade.

93 102 "This is what democracy looks like!"  Why do they always shout that?  Is it supposed to be a good argument for something?

Posted by: fozzy at October 01, 2011 08:59 AM (FEzSe)

because they have never studied history - French Revolution, etc.

94 IRT migrant workers and farming, when I was growing up my parents both worked, so I spent my summers with my grandparents who lived on a farm.  They did not speak much English, but were hard workers.  To supplement their income we worked on other farms picking crops.  Grapes were not bad, but strawberries, cucumbers and potatoes were hard.  They were called "stoop labor", so they paid a little better.  Same with sugar beets and carrots.  We were American, and so were all the other people working the fields.  My only point is that farmers used to be able to manage without foreign workers (my grandparents felt like they were Americans), but I think now farms a lot of time are owned by large conglomerates, rather than families, so that changes the structure of things.  The area where our farm was, for instance, is now owned by Welch's and Vlassic and wineries. 

95

Hmm. I'm looking into re-financing the house that we are renting out, but I guess I should see about this one, too, since it's been 2 years since we bought it.

I looked at the rates for a 15 yr with gobs of points and it was under 3%.

96 I listened to a goddamned discussion of this law on the goddamned public radio news show "Tell Me More." The goddamned host bimbo had a goddamned ACLU lawyer lady and a goddamned Alabama NPR bimbo to talk about it. Some things I noticed:

1.) At no point during the goddamned half hour I listened was the word "illegal" used. They talked about "immigrants" and "hispanics" and "the immigrant community" but a listen from goddamned Mars might think this law was somehow intended to expel foreign-born Americans who have worked hard to become citizens, instead of a bunch of goddamned criminals who are here in violation of Federal law.

2.) I noticed a new dog whistle code word. The goddamned local reporter mentioned that a lot of the support came from the northern part of Alabama, where there are "cultural issues." Apparently that's the new goddamned code phrase for "they're all racists, but I can't actually say that because it's not actually true, but this way my goddamned liberal listeners can nod their heads knowingly and picture a pack of Klansmen attacking poor Mexican kids."

The sheer goddamned dishonesty of this alledged news report galls my goddamned soul. It shows a startling combination of ignorance, arrogance, and contempt.

We need to shut down "public" broadcasting and bury all the equipment and documents at a crossroads with a stake pounded through them.

97 A bird-brained prosecution ( http://tinyurl.com/3ksw64a ) The U. S. District Attorney for North Dakota indicts oil and gas companies there for migratory birds' deaths. Indictments against wind companies for similar offenses? Hah!

98 I looked at the rates for a 15 yr with gobs of points and it was under 3%.

whoaaaa

99 Less students less teachers . Winning!

100

USAA member for 51 years and counting!  One claim in '67

Awesome.

BTW, folks--and no, I'm not getting paid for this--anyone can get a bank account with them. For insurance, you need to either have been military or have had parents who had were USAA members.

101 If you are talking about the fairtax, it is a sales tax not a VAT and it would replace the income tax.  Please look it up.

102 it is a sales tax not a VAT

But in practice they are almost the same thing, right?
If I buy wood at Home Depot and then turn it into a wooden bird house, then I pay sales tax when I buy the wood and I also charge sales tax when I sell the bird house.

103

whoaaaa

Yeh. Lots of points, though. And I guess I don't have to say what bank it was!

I have no idea what to do about the rental house. I don't want to start over on a 30 yr, but to get a 15 yr we have to pay more, when we are getting less rent because the market was so bad. It's still probably a good idea.  

104 But in practice they are almost the same thing, right?

A plain sales tax is a one time charge at the point of sale to the consumer. A VAT is a charge at every stage of the manufacturing process that adds value.

As for the "fair tax", it is a POS.

105

 I also charge sales tax when I sell the bird house.

Yeh, like I'd pay that.

106 Vic and any other morons , ettes that live in mosquito country .
Ya gotta' get a thermacell . Keep plenty of gas cartridges and repellent pads to refill the unit when needed .
They even make a holster to use when moving around  .

107 As someone who has traveled a little bit, that video WAS A BALL!  Try crying about what a citizen is in Mexico, the authorities there will tell you very quickly.  Try that crying routine in the ME.  Boo freaking hoo. 

108 The question is always asked, "How are you going to remove 12 million undocumented?" Here's an answer - cut off the reasons they come here (jobs (via that online id check) schools)and they'll remove themselves.

When Arizona's economy crashed rock bottom, Drudge headlined stories of the illegals leaving AZ for greener northern pastures.

109 Mama AJ, is this BoA?  Don't go with BoA, you'll get bitten by the snake!

110 LOL had to check out that thermacell thingy and found this on their web site:

The repellent is allethrin, a copy of a repellent that naturally occurs in chrysanthemum flowers. It repels up to 98 percent of mosquitoes, black flies, and no-see-ums, and will not harm humans or pets.

Does that mean that if I plant chrysanthemums around my porch and patio it will repel mosquitoes for free?

111 A plain sales tax is a one time charge at the point of sale to the consumer. A VAT is a charge at every stage of the manufacturing process that adds value.

Oh so businesses don't pay sales tax when they buy their materials?

112 In Starcraft, Zergs were the preferred race because they could out-reproduce the others. Oh and btw, Rubio's got no chance because Republicans don't want to wake up Hispanics politically.

One day, Perry and the rest of this generation will be looked on by conservatives as having done a pitiful job. Invasion immigration as a political ploy should be met with strong resistance, but because the invaders are sort of quiet and unassuming, we let it continue. American chump.

113

LOL. I'm feeling like I should stop mentioning USAA because I've said it 17 times in this thread alone, but the chemjeff...assures me that I haven't overdone it...or something...

114 80 The Huckmeister on FNC, making it clear he's not even thinking of running... Posted by: CoolCzech at October 01, 2011 08:41 AM (niZvt) I'm beginning to think that the flurry of candidate hokey-pokey stories ("they put their right foot in, they take their right foot out") are part of an organized disinformation campaign. But by whom is the question.

115 Oh so businesses don't pay sales tax when they buy their materials?

No they don't. The usually have a number that they supply for exemption from sales tax.

116

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 01, 2011 09:24 AM (XdlcF)

Did you say USAA?

I'm not sure I caught that correctly.

Why don't you mention it one more time so that I can get it down right.

That's a "U", and a "S", and then TWO "A"s?

117

Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2011 09:25 AM (M9Ie6)

huh, okay did not know that - I just thought everybody paid sales tax

thanx for puttin' me some knowledge

118 Touching story, courtesy Instapundit
http://tinyurl.com/425vda6

119 Vic ,  I doubt planting  mums would have the same effect .
Maybe if you ran over them with a lawnmower before settin' on the porch . Thermacell's really do work and I say that as a long time outdoorsman who was very sceptical about them when I first heard about the product .

120 123 A plain sales tax is a one time charge at the point of sale to the consumer. A VAT is a charge at every stage of the manufacturing process that adds value.

Oh so businesses don't pay sales tax when they buy their materials?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 01, 2011 09:22 AM (s7mIC)

Actually no, they don't. It's called a manufacturer's exemption and it's present in most state tax codes. And that's as it should be. You want to encourage manufacturing in your state and taxing product at each stage of production would be confiscatory and unnecessarily inflationary, which means a national VAT will probably become law.  DC needs a good marching on.

121 RACISTS!

122

No, chemjeff, I'm pretty sure there's a F and a U in there somewhere!

123 Does that mean that if I plant chrysanthemums around my porch and patio it will repel mosquitoes for free?

Heh. Since it is the time of the year for them anyway, get a few plants from the garden center and sit them around your rocker to test the theory.

I used to be impervious to skeeters when I was a kid but that changed years ago and I have gotten used to taking defensive measures. Skin-So-Soft works reasonably well for me but last week sitting out at my sister's house the little bastards actually bit my ears, that being the only exposed skin that I hadn't slathered up with S-S-S.

124 See I can't hang my hat on the whole border fence thing.  If the whole country becomes like Alabama, wouldn't we want them to have easy access back to Mehico?

125 136 See I can't hang my hat on the whole border fence thing.  If the whole country becomes like Alabama, wouldn't we want them to have easy access back to Mehico?

one-way gate fence

126 What a way to start the day. Couldn't find my wallet so I drive across town at the mercy of the cops, I hate that feeling. Get to the barn late so the horse is all huffy when I approach his stall. I turn to grab him an apple and when I turn back, he head-butts square in the nose, breaking my eyeglasses. All before my first cup of coffee.

127 Mama AJ okay luv ya toots

128 Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2011 09:16 AM (M9Ie6)

Cain was for the un-"fair" tax before proposing 9-9-9 rate(s).

Who's done the homework to figure similarities/differences and how the 9-9-9 would be added upon later by Congress, despite the proposal "promises" to prevent add-on tax baggage? And what to make of Cain's evolution from "fair tax" to 9-9-9? He saw the light, and came up with a functional and realistic solution?

Given Bachmann's expertise in the current tax law, the voter would have thought she'd have come up with the "best" new tax rate proposal/platform from her staged campaign.

Any one can say they'll lower taxes in order to improve the economy. Promising to "lower taxes" is meaningless without specifics and without Congressional backing. It isn't as if any candidate alone should be making promises if voters are supposed to "trust" fruition. There should be a Republican Party Leadership platform that all elected officials agree to uphold, a specifically outlined bill that they'll pass given voter '12 turn-out. I'm surprised Newt hasn't already arranged it with the necessary Congressional coalition of voters in his promised "new" contract with America. "Mandate" from the people wasn't the dirty word "mandate" from government or authoritarian is.

129 I have a question... how did the government raise revenue before the income tax? I did a quick search but did not find a good answer. I did find out that it started to help fund the civil war and at one time was found unconstitutional. Kind of feel bad how ignorant I am with our history.

130

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 01, 2011 09:36 AM (vXr7p)

wow that sucks

but look on the bright side, at least you're not this guy

131

Thanks for making me laugh this morning.

Gotta run around like crazy to give the 11 yr old a good b-day, despite this that and the other thing, so I'm glad I'm smiling.

132 Romney is right.  Turn off the magnet.

133

All before my first cup of coffee.

Ah, that's where the problem started. Well, that and not having the right bank.

Hang in there!

134 Now here's a heartwarming rags-to-riches tale
(well, sort of - if enriching lawyers is considered 'heartwarming')

135 >>When you supplement the fence with electronic sensors in the ground, the security people know exactly...how many rich white folks are escaping to Mexico.

fify surfer dude

136 ((((lincolntf))))

137 We should send SEIU workers to the border.  They can fill a bus and have 50 people at a rally with billy clubs in minutes.

138 All before my first cup of coffee.

What moron goes outside before coffee?

139 It's hilarious how the left media is playing the Left Behind narrative.  Aliens have 'vanished' 'into thin air' (as Huff Po says).  Like those rednecks in AL have killed them - or, gasp, maybe even lynched them.

140 149 We should send SEIU workers to the border.  They can fill a bus and have 50 people at a rally with billy clubs in minutes.

no kidding
we don't need moats with alligators, we need purple SEIU thugs

141 Hello? where is everyone?  Were you guys illegals also?

142 Not to be a dick, but it's:
hoist on by my own petard

143 The illegals cost money, they are not a financial boon. It costs billions for them to go to the emergency room for a case of the sniffles. They are also getting Welfare and food stamps.

144
I have a question... how did the government raise revenue before the income tax?

I have a Cyclopedia of Knowledge from 1898 that has the answer -- tariffs and sin taxes.

145 Where is my petard?  I think mine is sore. 

146 156 Import Duties. Customs house.

147 153 Hello? where is everyone?  Were you guys illegals also?

the morons must have had some tardisil slipped into their val-u-rite last night, or something

148 Posted by: didn't take long at October 01, 2011 09:38 AM (lpWVn)

I have done very extensive analysis of the "fair tax" and it truly is crap. On the Cain 9-9-9 plan I don't think he has published any details. And as the CBO says you can't analyze a proposal.

In any case, even if he did details you still would not know what it would do until the assholes in congress wrote the law. That means every special interest group in the country getting hold of congressional ears.

149 No comprendhe senor.

150 I didn't get a petard.

151 I have a question... how did the government raise revenue before the income tax?

If you mean the federal government it was initially financed through tariffs and excise taxes. (see whiskey rebellion)

States did it via property tax and excise taxes. States also raised money via lotteries.

152 Isn't Petard a Captain of a Starship?

153
I got my tard from a toilet seat.

154 The illegal IHOP killer had filed for bankruptcy (after running up credit cards), and was getting disability.

155 A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

156
Import Duties. Customs house.

Posted by: Ignacius Percival Frehley at October 01, 2011 10:02 AM (ieDPL)

My Cyclopedia of Knowledge from 1898 has great illustrations of the sin taxes -- hoppers of tobacco and barrels of liquor pouring out gold coins, along with dollar amounts. It even has a section on phrenology.

157 vic, I thought Cain said the 999 plan had been 'scored'

158

You can put me in the heartless camp.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the attitude of entitlement I see from these people. This high school kid wants to know "what is really a citizen?" Here's an idea--why don't you go look up how the naturalization process works, you fuck?

And what's with you thinking you don't have to follow the rules that everyone else does? What, are you special?

No, you are not special. Get the fuck out of my country and take your goddamned Mexican flag with you. Fly it in Mexico if you're so fucking proud of your roots.

159 Vic, why don't you like the FairTax idea?
I know that it would have to be accompanied by a repeal of the income tax amemdment, I get that.  Is there another reason you don't like it?

160 If you take Gardasil, you get a petard

161 168


Phrenology?  Go to town!

162 Number 1 is taking a number2.

163 Whatever.  We won't be calling them illegal aliens anymore.  It hurts their feelings.

164 If you take Gardasil, you get a petard
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 01, 2011 10:10 AM

Petards are the carriers.

165 "Officer, if you give me that speeding ticket, you don't have a heart.  I have a family at home."

166 How is the weather in Alabama?

167 Engage.

168 vic, I thought Cain said the 999 plan had been 'scored

If it has I haven't seen it and I don't see how it could be "scored" until they write the actual proposed law.

169 Most of the withheld 9% would be FICA and HI Tax. I posted in the wrong thread first.

170 Vic, why don't you like the FairTax idea?

It is a HUGE tax increase for most people and it maintains the same defects with regard to "special exemptions" that the old system has.

In additon, for me personally (and all other retirees) it would be a screwing of "epic" proportions. It would literally drive me into bankruptcy on nothing but taxes.

It also depends heavily on a lot of assumptions that are nothing more than wishful thinking regarding "birds in the bush". Things like manufactured prices are going to come down by 25 to 30% because of elimination of corporate taxes and all employees will immediately get a "raise" of 8 to 9% when the withholding taxes are removed on companies.

They also lie about the tax rate. It is actually about 31%. Imagine going to buy a new $400K house and paying a 31% sales tax on it.

There were a whole lot of other things that I don't remember all of the specifics to it, but when I worked out test cases using the current taxes and standard deductions for a family of 4 they did not break even on the system until incomes exceeded 500K.

171 vic, each person will receive a check from the government to cover basics (around $500, I can't remember) which will reimburse you for the first $500 worth of FairTax that month.

172 Thanks all, and yes, the coffee situation was the problem from the get-go. Of course, I spent so much time looking for my wallet that I had no time to brew a pot and obviously couldn't stop once I was on my way (no cash on me except seat change). Wallet is now found and coffee is working it's magic.

173 So, for your fist $2000 of purchases each month, you pay no taxes and you get the benefit of lower prices (20%) and higher earnings (9%).

More Valu-Rite!

174 vic, each person will receive a check from the government to cover basics (around $500, I can't remember) which will reimburse you for the first $500 worth of FairTax that month.

No, each "poor" person using the gov number for poverty based on number of people in household would receive a monthly check adding into the thousands per year (don't remember the exact number)

That is one of the bad parts of the current system that it retains.

175 Vic, plus if you keep talking like this, they will have to ship you off by high speed rail to a re-education camp in San Francisco where you will be forced to dress like a Thai tranny.

176 you pay no taxes and you get the benefit of lower prices (20%) and higher earnings (9%).

I've got a time share condo I have been trying to sell, you interested?

177 vic, every person. every person gets this check to cover their basic needs.

178 I've got a time share condo I have been trying to sell, you interested?

vic, give me the keys, I'll try it out.  Charlie Sheen is looking for a place to party.

179 vic, every person. every person gets this check to cover their basic needs.

That is not what I recall from the actual House bill that was written. My recollection was that it was means tested.

180 I've got a time share condo I have been trying to sell, you interested?

Is it next to that bridge in New York, or that prime real estate in Florida?

181 Fair Tax Wiki.

182 193 Quarter way down page there is a prebate chart.

183 Democrat welfare voting machine, case padding social workers, obscure paper shuffling bureaucrats, and employers (subsidized by the rest of us funding more social services) illegally paying people less than minimum wage hardest hit.

184 2 I predict the crackdown will /severely/ injure Alabama's economy. Posted by: Texan Economist

I predict higher wages and costs for construction jobs as a labor shortage lowers the unemployment rate in the state. I also predict fewer drugs, drunk driving deaths and that crime rates related to illegals will fall dramatically thereby lowering law enforcement costs in our court and jail systems. It will also be nicer to have less waiting time in ER's as well as having more classroom space available.

At least they are leaving here in droves now.

The benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

185 I don't trust the wiki entry for that. Especially since they have the 23% number for rate which I know is wrong.

Unfortunately when I went to Thomas to get a fresh copy of the bill it is off-line for hardware maintenance.

In any case I have to go. May be back later.

186 This story is perfect for proving that self-deportation works if we remove incentives and begin enforcing the law.

187 Actually in most States they are not because federal law prohibits welfare to illegals. Where they get around it is that law does not apply to children. And after all those welfare reforms during the Gingrich congress that "eliminated welfare as we know it", the liberals simply moved it all into children services.

I fully expect a massive influx of undocumented immigrants into my home state of Massachusetts where they will discover that they are the undocumented owners of other people's property, undocumented drivers, undocumented sexual partners, undocumented loan holders, undocumented mortgage holders, undocumented firearms carriers, undocumented students, and undocumented voters for the Democrat machine just in time for Red Queen Bitch Warren's election vs. Senator Brown. Springfield, Fitchburg, Lawrence, Lynn, Fall River, New Bedford, Framingham, Boston, Somerville, Revere, Chelsea, Lowell, will all suddenly find themselves with tens of thousand of new 'residents' to break the backs of their police, school, and social service budgets.

Thanks Deval & Coakley!

188 197 It covers that in paragraph two. 30% sales tax. I am against it also. Why set high tax rates only to offer rebates? Set a lower sales tax to begin with.

189 I DO NOT feel sorry for them, not in the least bit. If Mexico is a kind of Hell they don't want to return to, how come so many Americans move there? They are here so papa can illegally take your work and get a new Ford pickup with the money. That's about it. Americans are chumps.

190

Supreme court ruled in the 80's that schools must educate the children of illegals (Plyer v. Doe).  Not sure how the Alabama law is squaring with this if they are not allowing illegal children to attend. 

Or is it just a fear of identification is causing the parents to withdrawl the children voluntarily?

Not syaing Plyer v. Dow was correct, but i figured it would act as a barrier to the denial of public school benefits to children of illegal immigrants.

 

191

conservative: The law's the law.

Lib: The law's wrong.

Conservative: Without a border do we have a country?

Lib: They have human rights just like you do.

Conservative:  They are holding down our wages.

Lib: They do jobs Americans won't.

Conservative: Black's black and White's white.

Lib: Not really. There are really just shades of gray.

Conservative: As surely as the sun will rise.

Lib: Someday the sun won't rise.  It could be tomorrow.

Conservative:  What reality do you live in?

Lib: You're just an ignorant Bible thumping racist redneck.

Conservative: Pulling out the intellectual big guns I see.

Lib: Fuck you you stupid bastard.

Conservative:  And THAT'S the game.

192 Time to move to Alabama.

193 @203...  Dan!   I had that argument with my brother at Thanksgiving 4 years ago and he stormed out of the house and drove home ( 2 hours away ) and he hasn't spoken to me since.. he was sooo maddddd.    Of course, our argument was before the SCOAMF's election and he was upset about Haliburton and evil Bush'43 and evil Cheney running the government for evil Bush'43, who was also a complete dumbass and couldn't do anything himself...

194 Every construction worker I know in CA has been out of work for years, replaced by low priced illegal workers. The last couple apt. buildings built in town before the crash were built entirely by Hispanics--I saw them.

195 I'm a public school teacher. I just teach without worrying about who's legal or not. I'm certain I have students here illegally, and if you count "citizens" who were born here to illegal parents the count is higher. Many of these kids are wonderful human beings; however...

Once these illegal students leave, school overcrowding will decrease. Test scores will improve. The need for special services, from tutors, to bilingual/ESL programs, free and reduced lunches, will decrease. The need to write bilingual notices, school bulletins, newsletters, and have translators phone home or make home visits will be lessened. I predict that attendance will improve and truancy will decrease.

Unlike Rick Perry, I must look beyond my feelings for these kids, many of whom are genuinely likable, and consider what is best for my state and the country.

196

Oregon gives its drivers license examination in 5 languages. 

When Oregon finally adopted the REAL ID standards 3 years ago, the number of examinations in all languages remained the same except for the number given in Spanish.  That number dropped by 83%.  As a byproduct, what used to take an hour or more at the DMV now takes 10 to 20 minutes. 

197 Ok, I've been tumbling this around in my housewifey brain for quite some time and I figure you folks are just the people to help me settle it. Let's call him Taco. His g'parents brought him up and over to Carolina when he was 2. He was raised as an American and had no idea that he wasn't til he started middle school. He's quite bright and is making his way up the JROTC hierarchy, hoping for BC his senior (next) year. He dreams of being a Ranger. Now, if I round up about 35 thug-wannabe's from that school, can I trade them in for Taco's citizenship and deport them? They are of dubious background, most have been hauled outta class by our city's finest, not a few on several occasions. They are a multi-color, multi-race bunch and are just biding time til they can become even more of a drain on society. Can anybody but me see how such a trade-in could be a good thing? Also, how does one go about implementing such a procedure?

198 @210.... that is what makes the just deport them argument tough.  There are probably a lot of kids like the one you mention.  I think that was the argument behind what our Texas Legislature came up with.  It's not at all easy.  Ideally, the kid will get a chance to prove his worth to the country and someday earn some sort of US citizenship and will prosper.

199 Yip, be kind and tell me what the Tx folks came up with? My sons are either enlisted or military bound (hence the JROTC) and this kid is one they would prefer to work with rather than some kid just milking the system. What did Tx propose?

200 Oh I don't think Texas came up with anything except the college rule, where kids here illegally, but have been here for more than 3 or 4 years and in school, performing in the top % of their class ( good grades) and otherwise qualify for college acceptance, will be eligible for in-state tuition rates at Texas Universities regardless of illegal status.  Everything is the same as far as qualifying except citizenship.

Now, I think there is a program (Federally) that allows for something where an illegal alien kid, like the one you mentioned, can enlist and serve in the Armed forces and after a set amount of service, qualify for citizenship or a green card or something.  I don't know about serving as an officer or anything, (probably not) but I would assume if he could hack it, the Rangers would take him.  It's tough though and the better the kids grades, etc, the better as far as getting in the Army.  Also, no issues with bad checks, debt, or law enforcement encounters beyond misdemeanor traffic tickets, etc.  He probably has to be squeaky-clean.

The problem too is, the Army is trying to downsize.  They always have room for grunts at the bottom, but with the economy like it is, getting in will not be as easy as typing it.  All of the services are fairly tough to get into unless you are squared away.

201 Thx Yip. I'm a;; for throwing back the bad ones but there are some decent kids in the mix, too. I guess the trouble is there's so many that we just have to do something. There's no time to pick and choose and, if there was, who'd write up the criteria? We don't like moochers here at our house, regardless of there color/country of origin and, thru the years, we've come across many who needed to be deported. Only thing, they were born here. There are no easy answers and I'm glad I'm not in charge of coming up with them.

202 It's a tough situation that a generalized policy doesn't address as well as most of us would like.  Now there are thousands of illegals in country who are probably good folks who will contribute to society and their kids, but there are thousands or millions? more who want to milk the system and are encouraged to. 

Someday, Mexico should have to get their country working and this would not be near the problem it is and too, we need to stop them at the border from getting here.  Also, stop the welfare state from throwing money at them in the hope that they'll not starve or steal to maintain themselves in the US.

Not a debate that really fits on TV very well.  I wish the kid you mentioned the best... ( also, if he's in ROTC, maybe they can help give him info on serving).

203 Want illegals to leave? Enact in rem forfeiture for the fruits of illegal immigration. Problem solved.

204 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure

205 I have never understood the argument, "we can't send them all back". I am a disabled, retired veteran.  I might have to use a cane but I can still carry my concealed weapon.  There are thousands like me deputize us and we can probably bring in 3 to 5 each a day.  After a couple of years the problem will be greatly reduced.  I will be happy to donate a couple of hours a day to my country.  Even now every time I hear them talking mexican I tell them this is America and to speak english.

206 One day, as Taco and his JROTC friends were heading to lunch. A black/Hispanic (I think that's what they call it now days) war broke out in the main hallway. Many units responding from all branches, offices of local/state finest. Many hauled out and away, only to be re-instated 2 wks later. (damned bleeding hearts on he school board!) Anyway, the JROTC folks headed for the classroom, closed and locked the door and went on about their business.I choose to believe they all engaged in prayer but that's just me.Anyway, I think the ones that stayed for the war should have been frog-marched to the closest port and made to jump. Oh, certainly, the instigators were the same ole ones that start it every time but, as they're always allowed back with open arms, they simply get better at doing it. Meanwhile, the kids that walked awy, fled for their lives, whatever you wanna call it, have to live in a politically-correct-but-dangerous-as-hell-any-second-nowworld from 9- 4, M-F. There has GOT to be a way to toss the chaff and keep the grain!

207 First candidate that can come up with a workable solution and prove he/she can string words together and make a logical sentence gets my vote. I'm too old to be patrolling the school hallways; I have laundry to do.

208 At my health club watching tv while on dread mill and caught some MSM. CNN is doing it's job attempting to sway the public into selecting a RINO for us again. Every TEA party type of candidate is labeled EXTREME. Unreal. And they might succeed. Pity, that.

209

The question is always asked, "How are you going to remove 12 million undocumented?" Here's an answer - cut off the reasons they come here (jobs (via that online id check) schools)and they'll remove themselves.

Too right. What Rick Perry doesn't get, but most real conservatives do, is that subsidizing the schooling of illegal's kids incentivises illegal immigration. The issue has nothing to do with "heart".

210 Why am I supposed to feel sorry for people who brought their kids to this country illegally, live off my tax subsidies and then whine about how "they're humans too."

If I were to cross illegally into Mexico tomorrow, I would not be allowed to register my kids at school, I could not obtain a job and I would be denied even the most basic government services before being deported.

I am sick to death of wealthy, insulated, out-of-touch liberals telling me I have to put up with the increased crime, the lower property values and the overall suckification of my country (especially my home state of California, where I can no longer live and where my parents continue to just barely get by thanks to the stifling taxes) for the sake of "humanity". Mexicans don't come to this country because they are refugees, they come because they know they will get services their own country won't give them...paid for in part by me.

211

#2

 

I predict the crackdown will severely impact California's economy.  So many welfare cases so few taxpayers.

 

I am going to lobby for this in Texas.  If we can get rid of the loon Perry.  His motto is "I never met an illegal I didn't love."

212 "Oregon gives its drivers license examination in 5 languages."

Because, as we all know, traffic signs are in those 5 languages as well!

The reason they do this, IMHO, is that a license is an entry level citizenship doc; and they can then sign them up to vote, making them easy pickins' for the ward heelers.

213

#17

 

How are you going to remove illegals?

 

One at a time.  Funny do you suppose the IRS has to ask how do we get 130 million peopleto pay taxes?

214

Vic, you think the border with Canada is 5,000 miles long and it will cost over a trillion dollars to build a fence along the Mexican border?

 

Are you the cost estimator for the Big Dig Project or just Moochelle's vacation coordinator?

215 154 Not to be a dick, but it's: hoist on by my own petard Posted by: deadman Fixed!

216

bummer, I guess I didn't know I was a heartless bastard.

don't stop in Arizona on your way to California.

217

In tiny Albertville, 35 students withdrew in one day.

Ah yes, Albertville, Alabama.  Why would 35 students leave school in one day?  Well, one of Albertville's employers is Tyson, as in Tyson chicken.  Chicken processing plants hire a great many illegal immigrants.  Companies like Tyson should be fined for employing these people.  And the fine should be so much that they would never think about hiring illegals again.  I'm sure Tyson is politically connected which is why they get away with such things in the first place.  The people who run companies like Tyson don't care about working conditions or fair wages.  All they care about is their bottom line, more money for them, fuck everybody else.  Well, fuck you Tyson and anyone who thinks like you do.