1 Inside track for a Vogon poetry award...

2 There's no way I could listen to four minutes and 50 seconds of tripe from a douchenozzle that looks like that.

3 The science is settled

4

These are the people Ron Paul plays footsie with.

5 There's no way I could listen to four minutes and 50 seconds of tripe from a douchenozzle that looks like that.

I tapped out at the 2:30 mark.

6 Any truthers out there that can pop in here and explain it to us?

No, wait, I have a better idea.  Choke to death on a feces encrusted rhino cock.

7 I send him Cee-Lo's song asa video response.

8 Is this freaking serious?

Oh shit.  I know it is. 

I just had an argument about truther nonsense.  It was like going back in time ten years.  I get just as angry now, even though it's just pathetic at this point.

Not really even worth arguing against.  But in this super divided government, the idea of such a massive conspiracy can only be believed by incredibly stupid people.

9 UHOH!!!!!!!!1

Obama sat in on Solyndra meetings????

10

I hate "truth"ers with a white-hot fury.  These people deserve the Full Aldrin everytime they open their cakeholes in public.

http://tinyurl.com/5mc3m2

11 Also, down down 330. Stock market in free fall? Did the Jews get called first to get out?

12 Ron Paul!!!!!!

13 Hey, with my anti-war song I can make a CD now!

14 I thought I heard that these assholes are having some kind of conference in Toronto this weekend. Here's hoping for a well-placed meteor.

15 Oh, and Obamma is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

16 I'll give it an 85 because I can dance to it.

17 9 UHOH!!!!!!!!1
Obama sat in on Solyndra meetings????
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 02:38 PM

_{^RICO! RICO!} ^RICO! RICO! RICO!

18 My really annoying one is how you can't melt steel with fire, or steel won't burn, some such crap. I worked in a steel mill. You heat it, you put pressure on it, it bends into any shape you like surprisingly quickly.

19 ah yes the old..."why'd they purposely wreck a building that was suffering 37% damage on a load bearing wall and diminishing frame stability due  to heat and pressure tensile strength reduction in the frame?"


"I am telling y'all Fahr cain't melt steel! that there building was packed and wahred with c-fower"

gotta love troofers...

I especially like how the ninja demolition agents of the sooper secret US/Israeli joint combat engineering team used their Romnulan cloaking devices to hide the 1/2 ton of explosive and all the exposure of superstructure that would take to correctly place that precise a charge to get it to fall that way

as they say "just askin' questions man"


speaking of which since it was evil Chimpy who did this why isn't barack exposing the troof?

20 11 Also, down down 330. Stock market in free fall? Did the Jews get called first to get out?

Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 02:39 PM (Fw2Gg)

Don't forget, its about the uncertainty in Europe

21 I tapped out at the 2:30 mark.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at September 09, 2011 02:37 PM (cjGZv)

You probably lasted longer than Rosie O'Fatass did in her exercise routine.

22 179 no Whining,

yup....

going back to the campaign...like I said this will stick whether it ever gets resolved or not.....

people grasp...he just gave out a half billion dollar defacto kickback.

23 Posted by: hudson duster at September 09, 2011 02:41 PM (wSoUt) What? You mean to tell me those support beams didn't come out of the ground that way? Pull the other one! /s

24 Her name was RICO,
she was a showgirl
With yellow feathers in her hair
and a dress cut down to there

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Also- it's videos like this that make me not mind the fact that I can't stream stuff at work.

When I heard from Mark Styne (while I was out on lunch) that there won't be fire-fighters at the 9/11 proceedings (I hope he's kidding about that) my blood-pressure shot up about 20 points.  I think, if I listened to this, my hand would literally start shaking with rage.

26 Also, down down 330. Stock market in free fall? Did the Jews get called first to get out?

Posted by: blaster

 

The market couldn't have collapsed the way we see it collapsing, therefore, we have another mystery on our hands conspiracy against President Sham Mao.

27

Whaaa?  WTF are they saying (I can't listen at work right now) ... near the surface of the Earth, g is the same for all free-falling objects.  Thus, all objects falling toward the Earth's surface (including collapsing buildings) accelerate at approximately the same rate (the constant acceleration g), less resistance and drag.

28 I don't know what's nuttier, Troofers handing out pamphlets who wear Ron Paul t-shirts, or Paulians handing out pamphlets wearing Troofer t-shirts

29 Fire can't melt a funky groove!

30

Don't know if the "Truther" moniker is laughable anymore seeing as how it was revealed this week that the FBI concealed entire investigations from Congress and the 9-11 Commission after the attacks.

Apparently the government DOES have things to hide when it comes to full disclosure in this attack.    

31 20 red Shirt,

as well as intransigence by the GOP in passing a bill they haven't recieved yet....because the market is stupid that way not knowing what's up in DC."

//Chris matthews

32 He's no Rick James, bitch.

33 under Obama, obvious truths are a conspiracy.  

34 >>>These are the people Ron Paul plays footsie with Exactly, which is one of the primary reasons I despise him. His fans either simply ignore this or sort of believe it themselves. Which makes them paranoids, and not even smart paranoids of the Lone Gunmen sort.

35 This is the best truther song (seriously): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0KKUxY0UDg

36 11

Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 02:39 PM (Fw2Gg)

Every single time the SCOAMF gives a speech, the DOW takes a dive. I'm never going to be able to retire...

37 The Zen of Douchebag...I'd wait in line for an hour just to kick this dweeb in the yarbles, if he's got any yarbles.

38 Shoulda got Van Jones to direct this, yo.

39 34 Ace,

the combination of this and his anti-semitism ties are what did it for me.....

add in his dream US response to 9/11 of *shrug* and....

40 My really annoying one is how you can't melt steel with fire

So, they go to you too, eh?

Everybody knows that I-beams are dug out of the earth, fully formed, from underground steel mines.

Google it.

41 25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Also- it's videos like this that make me not mind the fact that I can't stream stuff at work.

When I heard from Mark Styne (while I was out on lunch) that there won't be fire-fighters at the 9/11 proceedings (I hope he's kidding about that) my blood-pressure shot up about 20 points.  I think, if I listened to this, my hand would literally start shaking with rage.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 02:42 PM (8y9MW)

No clergy, either. It's insanity.

42 WTF? Fear Factory are troofers, too? Off to burn my CDs!

43

I'm never going to be able to retire...

What's your point?

44

Apparently the government DOES have things to hide when it comes to full disclosure in this attack.    

Posted by: Spiker at September 09, 2011 02:42 PM (gh6F5)

 

here we go...

45 >>>Whaaa? WTF are they saying (I can't listen at work right now) ... near the surface of the Earth, g is the same for all free-falling objects. Thus, all objects falling toward the Earth's surface (including collapsing buildings) accelerate at approximately the same rate (the constant acceleration g), less resistance and drag. I don't get it. They seem to think gravity is a conspiracy. Actually I think this is a walk-back, like all of their claims. I think they initially claimed that a building could not fall at exactly g, as internal resistance to falling would bleed off some acceleration, so it could only fall at CLOSE to g, not g itself. And then someone put a stopwatch to it and determined the building actually fell at CLOSE to g, not g itself. And then they said-- "Yeah, but that's TOO close." Um, based on what? They just decide that if the building fell at 97% g, then 96.9% g is the fastest it could have possibly fallen, and so.... CONSPIRACY TO MANIPULATE G.

46 New York, London, Paris, Munich,
Everybody's talkin' 'bout Pop Troofers

47
OT:

Those Washington longshoremen who went on a rampage a day or so ago, kidnapping and assaulting a bunch of security guards before sabotaging a bunch of equipment?

It was all about peaceful protest.

48

>>>>When I heard from Mark Styne (while I was out on lunch) that there won't be fire-fighters at the 9/11 proceedings (I hope he's kidding about that) my blood-pressure shot up about 20 points.  I think, if I listened to this, my hand would literally start shaking with rage.

 

GTFO, no way, are you serious?

49 Remember the troofer who did the experiment with the pot of water on a little model of coathangers over a campfire?

Unintentional comedy so stupid that proudonkey would probably cite it as proof

50 OT, but Doom:

Greece failed to place their short-term bill rollover.  That's a declaration by the market that even for short-term paper the market has utterly lost confidence in Greece and the Euro.

...
To add to the "liar liar pants on fire" calls Germany is now reported to be working a plan to recapitalize their banks if Greece defaults.

----
Also DJIA bumping around -320, BofA at 7.01 pennies above where it was when the fool from Omaha dumped $5billion into them (it was back here earlier in the week, but 'recovered), and Intrade has Obama at 49%

One of these things doesn't really matter.

51 It's incredible that there are still Truthers of any kind after all the witness accounts, footage, and audio, including the newly-released tapes from the F.A.A., NORAD, and American Airlines. Many museums on the East Coast are also now showing remaining pieces of the hijacked aircraft. Anyone who wants to pretend that there was some kind of conspiracy despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is simply not in touch with reality.

52 "When I heard from Mark Styne (while I was out on lunch) that there won't be fire-fighters at the 9/11 proceedings (I hope he's kidding about that) my blood-pressure shot up about 20 points.  I think, if I listened to this, my hand would literally start shaking with rage." No, he's not kidding. No clergy and no first responders. A handful of the families invited for show. Have to make room for a sh*tload of dignitaries and politicians, you know.

53 Conspiracy theorists are really engaging in a form of solipsism, where objective reality is less important than the constructed one in which they're the hero who knows what's really going on.

They're stars in their own action movie.

54 It's just arbitrary, kneejerk, uninformed stupid gainsaying. If it fell at 97% g, or whatever, they just immediately assert, with no evidence, that that is "too fast," and only 96.8% is possible, so there you go. Whatever you say, they will say that is impossible. Like fire can't melt steel (just got an email from a steelworker next to a big cauldron of motlen steel saying, 'Shit, I guess I'm out of a job then." Also just got word from a swordmaker from 1100 AD writing to say "Damn, there goes this racket.")

55

Posted by: Spiker at September 09, 2011 02:42 PM (gh6F5)

Fire cannot melt steel despite the fact that steel is created in fire. 

It is a divine mystery.

56 Didn't even click it.

57 I'm advocating that low-level, non-injuring violence be done to any and all Truthers that starts in with their insane bullshit delusions for a week on either side of this and every subsequent anniversary. They bring it up...you slap 'em across the face. If they want to do anything about it, THEN you main them. Alternately, ask em why, if they REALLY believe that rot, they haven't gotten a weapon and attempted to kill every single authority figure that they can get to. Because if they don't, they either don't REALLY believe their government REALLY did something that evil...or they're moral cowards. Make sure they know that there are no other choices, and have 'em tell you and everybody that is listening which is the truth.

58

GTFO, no way, are you serious?

Posted by: Max Power at September 09, 2011 02:47 PM (q177U)

True 'dat; the WSJ had an op-ed about it either yesterday or the day before.

59 Drudge Jobs Plan Headline Capture

60 It's incredible that there are still Truthers of any kind after all the witness accounts, footage, and audio, including the newly-released tapes from the F.A.A., NORAD, and American Airlines. Many museums on the East Coast are also now showing remaining pieces of the hijacked aircraft. Anyone who wants to pretend that there was some kind of conspiracy despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is simply not in touch with reality. Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 09, 2011 02:48 PM (o2lIv) See, now the *museums* are in on it!

61 GTFO, no way, are you serious?

I'm serious that he said it, but I don't know if he was serious (with him, it's sometimes hard to tell the satire from the real commentary).

62

Well how is this for a deranged conspiracy theory?

 

“My mother lives in the district, and I’ll be happy to go with her to vote,” said Weprin.

He would not, however, commit to moving into the district should he win the race.

63 Whatever you say, they will say that is impossible. Like fire can't melt steel (just got an email from a steelworker next to a big cauldron of motlen steel saying, 'Shit, I guess I'm out of a job then." Also just got word from a swordmaker from 1100 AD writing to say "Damn, there goes this racket.")

Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 02:48 PM (nj1bB)

The sad thing is that my daughter (an adult) worked in a foundry and she should know better but leans toward the truther bullshit. I'm trying to talk sense into her but her hubby is a huge RON PAUL!!!111!!1 fan and she listens to him more than me these days.

64 Jeebus...there are no words for this

65 Beck was crying about the firefighters not being there at the 9/11 event. Really.

66 Fire can't melt steel, and exercise can't melt fat!

Google it!

67

Fire Can't Melt My New Jobs Plan!

Pass the Plan.

68
The simplest proof that the troofers are full of shit is the fact that they are still alive. If the govt was willing to slaughter 3000 of it's own citizens and cover it up, what makes the troofers think that the same govt wouldn't disappear their asses?

69 Obviously, the steel in the towers, unable to melt at high degree heat, was still weakened over the years through man-made global warming, and.....dang I can't even write this with a straight face.

I don't get these truthers.  Is it a pathology?  I guess it's simply an offshoot of BDS that gathered a slime of its own.

70

I'm trying to talk sense into her but her hubby is a huge RON PAUL!!!111!!1 fan and she listens to him more than me these days.

So her husband is insane then?

71 Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings. I think the premise they don't state directly, but they actually believe (or are willing to entertain), is that it was ALL faked, the plane footage too, the witness reports, etc. When they say things couldn't have happened that obviously did (like WTC 7 collapsing), it does begin to shade into the idea that the video (and witness reports) are simply concocted. They don't say that, but that's there.

72 "Also just got word from a swordmaker from 1100 AD writing to say "Damn, there goes this racket."" Thank you! Now I know I'm not the only person who remembers that people used to make swords from steel with fire, a hammer, and an anvil. For a while there I thought I was living in an alternate universe where the middle ages just never happened.

73

 If the govt was willing to slaughter 3000 of it's own citizens and cover it up, what makes the troofers think that the same govt wouldn't disappear their asses?

Because the government runs on an even-odd schedule.

On even days it's diabolically clever, and on odd days it's completely incompetent.

74 http://alturl.com/52krg Snopes. Says its true. Not enough room.

75 And then someone put a stopwatch to it and determined the building actually fell at CLOSE to g, not g itself.

It sounds like something that a scientist played by Jeff Goldblum might say in a bad scifi adventure flick.  "We've detected a slight gravitational anomaly."

The actual science doesn't matter much to the script-writers.  They just have to get it to sound technical enough so the audience can engage in suspension of disbelief and enjoy the drama.

76 @73....  Brilliant!  You figured it out.... and will of course be "dealt with" forthwith..

77 It's the same grade of scientific illiteracy that has everyone genuflecting to the climate warmists because they're sciency or something, the old appeal-to-authority thing because they're too dumb to examine the evidence for themselves.

(Yes, for the record, there is such a thing as a 'greenhouse effect' and the human contribution may influence atmospheric temperatures but based on what we KNOW it's small compared to the other controlling factors.)

78

So her husband is insane then?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 09, 2011 02:53 PM (sbV1u)

There is so much I could say. I won't say it here but there is so much I could say. I will say that they being proud supporters of the medical use of certain green plants may have something to do with it but I do not discount your statement, either.

79 All objects near earth have the force of gravity exerted on them. That is 32 ft/sec². (9.8 m/sec²)

That doesn't mean that an object will fall at that acceleration rate because there are other forces acting on them. This is usually wind resistance and it causes an object to reach terminal velocity.

Terminal velocity varies from object to object based primarily on shape and density.

Of course, a building collapsing is not in "free fall" so its terminal velocity is dependent on the resistance to collapse.

80 YIKES!  It's the "Chewbacca Defense"!

81

How dare you accuse RAWN PAWL!!!1! supporters of paranoia! You're just trying to tear down the threat true conservatism poses to your Big-Government Pseudo-Conservative Chippendale Fantasy. As if the American people thirsting for genuine Liberty are going to support some blown-dry Statist fraud who viciously assaults gentle old men!

Still, building debris can't collapse toward the earth faster than 96.9% of gravitational acceleration! I'm not saying that the government was somehow involved in 9/11; I'm only asking questions that have no clear-cut answers! We need to get to the bottom of this! Only one man is willing to investigate the unusual physics of WTC Building 7: America's Greatest Patriot, RAWN PAWL!!!1!

82 52 "When I heard from Mark Styne (while I was out on lunch) that there won't be fire-fighters at the 9/11 proceedings (I hope he's kidding about that) my blood-pressure shot up about 20 points.  I think, if I listened to this, my hand would literally start shaking with rage."

No, he's not kidding. No clergy and no first responders. A handful of the families invited for show. Have to make room for a sh*tload of dignitaries and politicians, you know.


It's absolutely disgusting that the people who saved the lives of so many and who also lost family and friends were told there was simply no room for them.

"In our darkest hour, they gave us hope—the firefighters of September 11. In the chaos at the World Trade Center, the rigs pulled up, the men climbed out, retrieved their roll-up hoses and marched stalwart to the towers. Carrying nearly a hundred pounds of equipment they climbed the stairs; flight after flight after flight. A woman in the North Tower, descending from the 89th floor said, 'When I saw the firemen I knew we would be all right.'"

83 "I think the premise they don't state directly, but they actually believe (or are willing to entertain), is that it was ALL faked, the plane footage too, the witness reports, etc. " Back in my working days (Pre-motherhood), I had a few colleagues from another department that bought into the troofer crap. I sh*t you not, a few of them actually believed that the government set up gigantic projectors and used holographic images to make it appear to bystanders that planes hit the Pentagon. This is why I have no faith in humanity.

84 My favorites are the people who are convinced that they packed the buildings with demolition style explosives. 

85

I think they initially claimed that a building could not fall at exactly g, as internal resistance to falling would bleed off some acceleration, so it could only fall at CLOSE to g, not g itself.

I've heard it as the towers falling faster than G, and that the only way that could happen is if there were demo charges. yeah....

86
It sounds like something that a scientist played by Jeff Goldblum might say in a bad scifi adventure flick.  "We've detected a slight gravitational anomaly."






So it wasn't pre-planted explosives. It was the gravity-beam secretly installed in the Space Shuttle. They were targeting Baghdad and had a little aiming problem......juuuuuuust a bit outside.

87 Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 02:51 PM (AnTyA)

Sure there are.  They're just all profanity.

OT, Via FoxBusiness: (It's video, so I can't watch, but the headline caught my eye): "White House Refuses to Forecast Job Growth Under New Plan."

88 Those Washington longshoremen who went on a rampage a day or so ago, kidnapping and assaulting a bunch of security guards before sabotaging a bunch of equipment?

The Longshoreman are AFL-CIO...but it's just coincidence that they did this right after Hoffa's speech, right?

...no connection there..nope!

89 Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings.

*smirks*

90 It is a pathology as Sandy Berger describes. This crap is always the self-flattery of, frankly, the intellectually insecure. Those who respect intelligence, but don't have an oversupply of it themselves, are always very fond of "secret knowledge," the belief in which marks them as superior to the uninitiated, the "sheep," who look but cannot see. Plus, paranoia. Paranoia is very real. Even though only a small fraction of the population has a level of paranoia that is diagnosably a mental illness, a nontrivial fraction has livable, ordinary paranoia. It doesn't keep them from getting a job, but float any conspiracy theory by them, and they grab on to it. Their minds just have that tendency. They like seeing "patterns" in the data, and they are predisposed to the idea that "things don't just happen," that there is almost always a logical, motivated, deliberate human will behind things. Hurricane Katrina? Bush blew up the levees. The idea that humans just really don't know what they're doing and often make mistakes is just somehow threatening to them. They find that uncomfortable. they like imagining humans are supernaturally competent, so competent they never make actual mistakes, but if any disaster falls, it must be due to supernatural competence at a conspiracy causing what appears to be an ordinary failure of engineering or planning. They just seem to find it more comforting to believe in competent conspriacies rather than incompetent mistakes. Oddly this is all of a psychological comfort to them; whereas we might find conspiracy menacing, they seem to find it reassuring, because the alternative -- humans are barely keeping up on things -- is so much more frightening to them.

91 The next thing you're gonna tell me is that fire melts steel.

92 71 Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings.
Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 02:53 PM (nj1bB)

Wait a minute ... are they saying the buildings jumped into the path of the planes?

93 There is so much I could say.

Eh, what can ya do.  I also have some relatives who go in for the conspiracy thinking.  Frustrating as hell, but I still love them.

94 Wow. Stoopid put to music. What will the supremely engineering ignorant come up with next? I know, how about a chicken wire model to prove fire can't melt steel?

95 Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings.

So you're saying Bush used HAARP to slow the rotation of the earth to less than 500mph, so the buildings would go down at precisely the correct angle to take out the Area 51 archives housed in WTC 7?

Plausible.

96 "Apparently the government DOES have things to hide when it comes to full disclosure in this attack.    

Posted by: Spiker at September 09, 2011 02:42 PM (gh6F5)"

Well we all know that.  Sandy Burger wasn't stuffing muffins down his socks.  A lot of people dropped the ball, and wanted to wash their hands of it.

I can totally believe that many folks covered up that kind of thing.

That's totally different from a conspiracy by the USA to create a 'reichstag fire' situation, which given what we do know, is simply ridiculous.

97 There was a South Park troofer episode where no matter what evidence was presented, it was bogus because "they were in on the conspiracy". By the end of the episode, the troofers were accusing each other of being in on the conspiracy

98
“Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding. It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other.”

--Governor Deval Patrick
2007

99

Posted by: Spiker's Science Teacher at September 09, 2011 02:48 PM (sbV1u)

 

 

I'm not into all that crap.  I try not to mouth opinions about things I know nothing about.  I try to stick with the facts.

Fact:  It was revealed this week that the FBI concealed an entire investigation of a Saudi family in Florida who had physical and electronic contact with several 9-11 hijackers. 

100

I sh*t you not, a few of them actually believed that the government set up gigantic projectors and used holographic images to make it appear to bystanders that planes hit the Pentagon.

Which is absolutely hilarious if you've seen the topography on that side of the Pentagon.  There's no place to hide the giant "hologram generators."

Oh, this topographical fact is freely available on Google Earth, but I am sure the government somehow controls that too.

Truther shit is just a self-licking ice cream cone.  Every objection to it is proof of the veracity of the "Truthers" and every supporting "fact" is yet more proof.

101

Conspiracy is my bitch!!

102
one word:

thermite

103 Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings.

heh!

104 >>>Which is absolutely hilarious if you've seen the topography on that side of the Pentagon. There's no place to hide the giant "hologram generators." F***king idiot. That's what the giant hologram generators are projecting on to the topography.

105

Wait a minute ... are they saying the buildings jumped into the path of the planes?

They do what we tell them to do.

106 Posted by: soothie at September 09, 2011 03:01 PM (sqkOB)

Great, now I have to go throw up.

Are they just allergic to the word "Evil?"

107 Rick Perry did it ...

108

Fact:  It was revealed this week that the FBI concealed an entire investigation of a Saudi family in Florida who had physical and electronic contact with several 9-11 hijackers. 

Fact: That's the FBIs job.  The fact that they don't personally mail national security documents to your house for your review and approval is not proof of duplicity.

But...you failed logic in college, didn't you?

 

109 he has a speach impediment and it bothers me so i can listen...........

110

Steel fails long before it melts. When it is heated it expands, when it does that it shears the connections and fails, it also loses it's strength and starts deflecting. Commercial floors are only designed at 100 lbs. per sq. ft. live load. A building full of people, equipment and furniture gets close but within a safety factor of that. It doesn't take much weakness to cause a failure and parking a 757 on one of the floors adds quite a bit of weight in itself.

The fire can't melt steel bs is crazier than the rest of these idiots claims.

111

***king idiot. That's what the giant hologram generators are projecting on to the topography.

Posted by: ace

Thanks for puttin' me some knowledge Ace.

I think that knock on the door is the FBI, you sure did get them here fast.

Au revoir comrades!

112 Fire can't melt my steel ... IYKWIMAITYD ...

113 As a general rule, I avoid discussing such things with that crowd.  It can only ever end in one way, and I'm out of places to dispose of the bodies.

^{/Disclaimer:  No, not really.  That would be wasteful.  If I did.  Which I don't.}

114 can't listen

115 If the govt was willing to slaughter 3000 of it's own citizens and cover it up, what makes the troofers think that the same govt wouldn't disappear their asses?

Because the government runs on an even-odd schedule.

On even days it's diabolically clever, and on odd days it's completely incompetent.

Posted by: Sean Bannion

 

Someone needs to hit the side of the turntable. The needle seems to be stuck on incompetent.

116 114 can't listen to whom?

117 It was the Matrixie background that convinced me, but then I also like videos that juxtapose polar bears and cooling towers venting steam, so what do I know?

118 9/11 conspiracy idiots are mouth-breathers.

119 They just seem to find it more comforting to believe in competent conspriacies rather than incompetent mistakes. Oddly this is all of a psychological comfort to them; whereas we might find conspiracy menacing, they seem to find it reassuring, because the alternative -- humans are barely keeping up on things -- is so much more frightening to them. Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 02:59 PM

That's why a large segment of them are leftists and atheists. They believe in the perfectability of man, statism as a religion, and that a centrally planned government run by academic experts can control and micromanage even the tectonic plates and the atmosphere.

That's why the Church of AGW believes that Obama can promise and deliver perfect weather and no earthquakes

Leftists see the State as mommy and daddy. If mommy and daddy can't keep the monsters from under the bed away, or always protect and provide, that would have to be very scary for them.

120 "Which is absolutely hilarious if you've seen the topography on that side of the Pentagon.  There's no place to hide the giant "hologram generators."" If I remember correctly, they claimed that a gas station or something across the street had been secretly converted to projectors. I don't know. The whole conversation made me want to smash my head into a brick wall, so I got out of there as fast as I could and avoided the he'll out of those folks afterwards.

121 Actually, it's a good thing that the first responders are not going to be in attendance at the 9/11 memorial.  We don't want all those guys in one place at one time.  If there was another terrorist attack on the memorial location we would lose all the those good guys.  We can live without the politicians - we can't live without the first responders. 

122

9/11 conspiracy idiots are mouth-breathers.

Yup.  Mouth-breathers, knuckle-draggers, first generation of their family to walk upright.  In fact, I've seen the prehensile tail on several of them.

123

There's far more more evidence that:
     - Obama was not born in America
     - Global Warming is a hoax
     - Obama is deliberately tanking our economy

... but believing ANY of those things makes you a crazy hate-filled rightwing nutjob.

 

124
Flight 11 was really a missile.

125 Posted by: ugknown at September 09, 2011 03:08 PM (YUwuZ)

So you're the official lemonade vendor?
What did you spike it with?

126

Steel fails long before it melts. When it is heated it expands, when it does that it shears the connections and fails,

Uh....what about elastic deformation? The coefficient of thermal expansion for steel is almost never enough to shear ductile fasteners. The heat will reduce the yeild stregnth to the point of elastic failure of the beams,but it should not cause shearing of the fasteners via thermal expansion.

127 I don't think it's a speech impediment.  I think he is carefully enunciating because English is not his native language.  (If you are talking about the singer.  If not, then pretend I didn't post this.)

128 heyyyyyyy nothing wrong with a good tail now !!!!

129 Another bad day for my 401(k). Oh, and feel free to imply that troofers are all pedophiles. If they squawk say you're just asking questions.

130 71 Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings.

I think the premise they don't state directly, but they actually believe (or are willing to entertain), is that it was ALL faked, the plane footage too, the witness reports, etc.

When they say things couldn't have happened that obviously did (like WTC 7 collapsing), it does begin to shade into the idea that the video (and witness reports) are simply concocted.

They don't say that, but that's there.


What is their answer for the people inside the Towers who saw the planes crash into the buildings, including the survivors who saw the pieces of the plane?

131 the secret elite red nine team rigged the elevators to pull the buildings down. duh.

132 90 Ace,

nice summary

the mind of a person prone to trust/rely on the state grows even more prone because after all if the state did not do this then it means the state is not perfect at maintaining stability and safety when things go right as well.

Troofer and Katrina conspiracy theorists have a simultaneous love/hate relationship with the agent that protects them from the force that is just beyond their ability to reason.

Thus you get people who have blind faith that there has to be a nefarious action by a bad faith actor to undo the work that has held so long, because at the end of the day they don't understand risk analysis well enough to grasp that a 99.97% safe deviation from maximum safety construction or system is still eventually going to fail.  Therefore the substandard levee that held back 97% of the water it should for so long must be completely up to specs.  Not understanding that even with the flaw it may well have been at 100% safety at 97% load but been at risk for catastrophic failure based on material strength flaws at 98.5% load because the flaws may not result in a linear impact on failure potential.  I always respect engineers more than theoretical scientists because engineers have a legal duty to be correct within a certain % of accuracy or face professional doom.

anyway what do we expect we have a generation of kids who know how to deploy a condom...that the science is settled and can't make change for a buck.

Thanks NEA

133 Flight 11 was really a missile guided from the secret moonbase using HAARP.

If you're going to go, go all the way.

134 Posted by: joncelli at September 09, 2011 03:09 PM (RD7QR)

Can we imply necrophiliac pedophiles?

Also (and apropos of nothing) Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.  (No, really- those aren't related, it was just time for me to say that again).

135

If I remember correctly, they claimed that a gas station or something across the street had been secretly converted to projectors.

That's funny, because I got gas at that station (the Naval Exchange gas station) that morning about 7 am.

They sure must have done a quick set-up, eh? 

Brain-dead, every last one of them.  Including RAWN PAUL!!!

At least the Truthers have the courage of their convictions, they put their florid insanity on full public display.  Paul doesn't even have that kind of (twisted) courage, he just dances around it.

136 I know fire can't melt steel because I've seen the girders mined from the ground, ready to be installed.

137 The fire can't melt steel bs is crazier than the rest of these idiots claims. Posted by: robtr at September 09, 2011 03:05 PM

Since listening or reading detailed reports isn't a trait of leftists or conspiracy nuts, they missed the analysis by structural engineers as to how the buildings collapsed

Being nutjobs, they just assumed that BOOSH was claiming that the structural steel melted. No investigator ever claimed that it did, what the analysts said that the heat warped the steel trusses and the connections to the outer support beams broke.

But why listen to structual engineers, they're in on the conspiracy, right? Only film school dropouts like Dylan Avery have the true answers to what brought the towers down

138 I recently discovered that my best friend is a Truther.  She just accepts at face value every Truther claim and blithely dismisses every debunking ("Popular Mechanics!?!  There's not a single non-government expert cited!").

I'm beside myself. It's like learning that your best friend believes in lizard people.

By the way, she also believes in lizard people and thinks she knows some.

Also, wifi makes her sick. Physically.

139 This is why pot is illegal. At least the delusions of meth freaks eventually get resolved somehow, they get a cop to shoot them or something. Pot delusions just go on forever and get institutionalized. I think I might actually be playing the Dan Akroyd role in a podcast with one of these people this weekend. When I agreed to it, I'd kind of forgotten that I can't stand the sound of my own voice, I should have requested that it be electronically altered. Actually a little concerned that he might be too stupid for me to respond to satisfactorily, that can really throw me off, and people have actually kind of "won debates" with me that way before.

140

I was channel flipping the other night and the CBC had a 'documentary' on and they kept giving credit to 'Loose Change 2009'. I was surprised to see they were still around and that they were still active.

To see it on CBC, not surprised.

141

I'm beside myself. It's like learning that your best friend believes in lizard people.

You do know she's certifiably insane, right?

142 The interesting thing is that there were "conspiracies" in Katrina and 9/11, of a mundane type. The WTC towers were built very lightly with little structual steel except for the internal core and the walls. All the floors were just trusses, I think, basically just bolted from the core to the wall. No floors which were actually load-bearing. Basically just a huge hollow space with some light floors between them. They did that because steel is expensive, and hard to raise to great heights, and it's much faster to bulld that way. Conspiracy...? Well, not really, but a conspiracy of the normal sort: Going a little more cheap than advisable, maybe lobbying some people to approve your plans. The levees in New Orleans had design flaws and were built sort of crappily. Standard government at work stuff. Instead of looking at real crap like this, we have Bush blowing up the WTC and blowing up the levees a couple of years later.

143

By the way, she also believes in lizard people and thinks she knows some.

Reptoids

144 93 There is so much I could say.

Eh, what can ya do.  I also have some relatives who go in for the conspiracy thinking.  Frustrating as hell, but I still love them.

Posted by: sandy burger at September 09, 2011 03:00 PM (5OEha)

Yep. But, to give them credit, they were telling me all about George Soros long before I had a clue about him.

145 I hate me a truther.

146 I thought 60's era whiny protest songs were the epitome of stupidity...now comes trutherpop, where an "artist" is willing to admit he is abysmally stupid in the form of horrible music. Some folks are just too dumb to understand Occam's Razor; because an operation that would have required literally thousands of willing participants to keep quiet and not get caught is more likely. Hell, Obama couldn't even fly Air Force 1 over NYC for photo ops without getting caught. Idiots.

147
I don't which is my favorite.

The thermite argument or the not one drop of blood found at the Shanksville site argument.

148 Also, wifi makes her sick. Physically.

It interferes with the instructions beamed in by her Space Brothers.

On second thought, she'd probably buy that.

149 "Instead of looking at real crap like this, we have Bush blowing up the WTC and blowing up the levees a couple of years later. " Don't forget the Darth Cheney weather machines!

150 Nice video ... for the 70's ...

151

Actually a little concerned that he might be too stupid for me to respond to satisfactorily, that can really throw me off,

Dave, the all-purpose line to use when you're off your game is, "You're entitled to your opinion.  You are not entitled to your own set of facts."

Then state the facts.  Because, don't worry, your opponent will be completely fact free.

Guaranteed.

152

{{{kensington}}}

 

she's sick and limited....so you just have to accept the limitations and do the best you can with her........knowing she's limited.......no point in arguing.......it's a mental disorder...........

153 133 Flight 11 was really a missile guided from the secret moonbase using HAARP.

If you're going to go, go all the way.

Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 09, 2011 03:11 PM (GBXon)

Okay. That made me choke on my coffee... Too funny.

154 ooh, which one is the thermite argument?

155 You have to give them points for getting a Hitler reference in so quickly though.

156 That guy just looks like a douchespigot.  No way I'm listening to that crap.

157 Actually a little concerned that he might be too stupid for me to respond to satisfactorily, that can really throw me off, and people have actually kind of "won debates" with me that way before.

Just don't be afraid to look at him like he's stupid and ask "Does being that stupid hurt?"

No.  Really.  It helps you come to terms (in your own mind) with the fact they really just said something that stupid while a) giving yourself time to think how to respond and b) not providing dead-air for them to filibuster you.

158 "That's funny, because I got gas at that station (the Naval Exchange gas station) that morning about 7 am." Naval Exchange? ITS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!!!11!!

159 My favorite Troofer claim is that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the support structures of a building.  Ok, maybe, but you're forgetting a lot of elements if you simplify your model that much. 
   First, what are the effects of a multi-ton object tearing a hole in a building?  Then, what is the heat of ALL of the objects that were burning for some time?  Eg: carpeting, drywall, books, computers, flooring, cabling, acoustical tiling, tables, chairs, humans.  Don't forget that wind is blowing with great force at the height those planes hit those towers.  That wind would stoke the fires to even greater temperatures. 
   Further, there is a great deal of stress from floors above bearing down on the now weakened building via both gravity and wind blowing against those same floors.  Engineers design buildings to stand as a complete unit.  Remove large sections and they don't do very well.

160 Only down 333. That's not bad, because it would have been down 500 if I hadn't made that speech...

161 I had my first tango with a college professor who was creaming in his jammies because he watched Bammies little speech here at my college

162

Naval Exchange? ITS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!!!11!!

It's a good thing I love ya, Mandy.

Otherwise?  Pow!  To the moon!

163

"You do know she's certifiably insane, right?"

It's very painful, but she's functional, so what can you do?

The big problem, I think, is that she's educated beyond what was reasonable.  Her mind has expanded so far that her brains have fallen out.

The only saving grace is that she's not angry. She's not an angry Truther; she's just a "ho-hum" Truther. She just accepts that the world is run by shadowy figures (perhaps of lizard origin) who seed the clouds with chemicals, organize pedophile rings to entrap politicians, and every now and then blow up buildings to serve their purposes.

164
Soothsayer, Soothsayer, & Soothie

The Trilateral Commission

165 Heh. Jet turbine manufacturers seem to to to incredible lengths to stop the cool burning jet fuel from burning out the guts of the turbines they design. Especially since it isn't necessary, if jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.

166 Trutherism, Katrinaism, Communism, Socialism, are all replacements of religion.  Our country has degraded religion to the point where whole generations are not growing up with religion in their lives, yet we hunger for the spiritual, and so, they replace it with conspiracies, doomed political philosophies, anything but what they long for.  They have the conviction that comes with gettin' that ol' time religion, but it's a twisted version of that.  You will not be able to budge them with facts and truth since they have accepted their creed without facts or truth to begin with.

167 You all do know that both Bush 41 and 43 were seen lurking around the air field where JFK Jr. took off don't you?  I read that somewhere.

168 We got new wifi router with two antennae and boosted signal of some sort and I swear I could feel the pulses, which made me ashamed since you aren't supposed to notice it. That said trutherism = schizophrenia spectrum mental disorder

169 >>> No investigator ever claimed that it did, what the analysts said that the heat warped the steel trusses and the connections to the outer support beams broke. Eh, they've been told this. There are two different definitions of "melt," the loose definition and the strict definition. Steel (and most metals) are in an interesting molecular configuration. They appear solid, but in fact are a kind of arrested, form-holding liquid. This is what gives them all of their interesting properties (well, 90% of them). They are not "solids" as say "ice" is. Ice goes from "solid" to "liquid" in a clear, binary way. But steel and glass do not have a distinct "solid/liquid" binary form as ice does. When heated, they weaken and deform. They do not go right to 100% liquid; instead, they slowly gain more and more liquid-like traits as heated. Ice is either ice or it is not ice; it is ice, or water. There isn't a series of transitional forms. But steel and glass do, which everyone knows, because they've seen steel and glass in these in-between states. Thus, a sword becomes semi-liquid with heat and can be shaped. It doesn't become a PUDDLE, if that's what you mean by "melt." It becomes a puddle, a true liquid, at very high temperatures, but at lower temperatures, it just gets malleable and bendable and deformable (not something you want in load-bearing steel). It "melts" by the loose definition-- it becomes liquid-ish, if not a full liquid. In the strict defintion, it only "melts" at 3000 degrees or whatever. But for God's sakes we know it "melts' before then, just not all the way. At some point there is no further call to continue explaining elementary science because they've heard it; they're either liars or just dummies.

170 My nephew is a Truther, too, but he's more of the conventional antisocial douchebag Truther type.

He was a sweet kid, though, so I'm hoping he might pull out of it someday.  He had lousy parents, though.

171

She just accepts that the world is run by shadowy figures (perhaps of lizard origin) who seed the clouds with chemicals, organize pedophile rings to entrap politicians, and every now and then blow up buildings to serve their purposes.

Nothing you can do.  I feel for you.

I've often thought that people believe that shit because the real world as it actually is, is simply too painful for them to accept.

A consequence of raising a generation of children to whom nothing bad every happens, and everyone gets a trophy.

172 Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.Â’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off with JFK, Jr., his pregnant wife and her sister

173 162 Naval Exchange? ITS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!!!11!! It's a good thing I love ya, Mandy. Otherwise?  Pow!  To the moon! Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 09, 2011 03:20 PM (sbV1u)

174 I am wifi ...

175 Of course JFK Jr. was killed in a Piper Saratoga.

176 142 Ace,

well and conspiracies that are real are not often 6,000 man productions with perfect security...

and as you point out the failures are far more mundane....

for example

http://preview.tinyurl.com/dk2cn

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic. Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

In KatrinaÂ’s wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President BushÂ’s administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the stateÂ’s congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, LouisianaÂ’s representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.

now asking a citizen of the 9th ward to believe that Mary Landrieu the Senator he has been told by his preacher and the TV to vote for to help him keep his apartment that is subsidized may have diverted 175 million dollars to develop a water project for a condo in the 11th ward makes the person nervous....

undermines faith in the system y'see

so of course the answer has to be george bush and Seal team-Omega used UDTs to purposefully turn the 9th ward into a superfund site.

one of the neat qualities about paranoid hysterics is that when there is something that can reasonably be called a "conspiracy" they refuse to see it.

The rumor mill at Fort Polk's base town said forcefully that "everyone knows Mary's daddy sold condos made from money dat was supposed to build dem levees after Camille anyhow"......

Who knows?

I try not to base my sanity on any of the nut theories.

177 Wait, doesn't Sarah Palin have a kid named Piper?

178

I haven't seen that any of the buildings fell in free fall. You could watch stuff peel off of the buildings and fall faster. If the building was in free fall, the stuff would peel off and just move outwards, but that isn't what happened.

Also, the building 7 troofers are especially moronic since they insist that the building wasn't damaged at all. Sure -- it was missing almost the entire front of the building, but it was not damaged.

Complete assmunching idiots. Goat-molesting, dog-humping douchenozzles.

179 Truthers, like the despicable birthers have mostly died out. Most of the truthers were simply irrational Bush haters and when Obama was elected, it took the wind out of their sails. In '05 or '06 there were as many truthers on the left as there would be birthers among the repubs. There will always be sub-literate internet wack jobs, but I don't see too many truthers (or birthers) these days.

180 149 "Instead of looking at real crap like this, we have Bush blowing up the WTC and blowing up the levees a couple of years later. "

Don't forget the Darth Cheney weather machines! Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 03:16 PM

I think a lot of Hollywood fantasy starts to become real to those people. A lot of palin steele types believe history as they saw it on the movie screen rather than what actually happened and is taught in history class.

181
The thermite argument is that lots of thermite was found in the WTC debris.
Thermite is a composition found in explosives. Well, fireworks, really.

"The thermite is simply a mixture of metal, often called the "fuel," and an oxidizer."

Any building made of steel and aluminum that burns to the ground will result in lots of thermite.

182 and I am ... Mossad !!!

183 "Wait, doesn't Sarah Palin have a kid named Piper?"

Yes, but she does not have a child named Trig. Trig is her grandchild.

184

Wait, doesn't Sarah Palin have a kid named Piper?

Alpha Base, this is Cougar Five, the secret is out.  Execute OPERATION DENY PIPER.

185

My god-daughter's father, oiginally from Jamaica, believes that the US government was behind the AIDS virus to infect blacks. We only talked about the nonsense 1 time, but still, when you hear such crazy come out of people you've known for 20 years...

It was at their place that I first saw the 'Loose Change' videos too which averages out to 1 night of crazy every 10 years...

In the spirit of the truthers:

Question: Why is it when you go to google and type in "Obama + necrophilia", 172 results come up? Why is it, that the very first question is "Why in the world would people think Obama has necrophilia?"

186
Posted by: Jordan

STFU, dunce.

187 The WTC towers were built very lightly with little structual steel except for the internal core and the walls. All the floors were just trusses, I think, basically just bolted from the core to the wall. No floors which were actually load-bearing. Basically just a huge hollow space with some light floors between them.

The real issue was that the fire retardant foam on the beams was blown off by the explosion caused by the jet crash. The buildings would not have collapsed as fast if it was a "normal" fire.

Also, escape stairways were blocked by the explosion.

188

177 kansas

 

OMG! how old is piper?

189 "Very often you will hear them begin making arguments that imply the planes weren't even hit by buildings. "

OMG, they flew the buildings into the PLANES! This explains everything!

190 OK JFK Jr dies in a Piper and Sarah Palin has a child named Piper. Coincidence? I think not.

191 167 You all do know that both Bush 41 and 43 were seen lurking around the air field where JFK Jr. took off don't you? I read that somewhere. Posted by: kansas at September 09, 2011 03:21 PM (mka2b) Yes, and some fellow with a mighty warcock said he had travelled back in time to help smite me. I wish I knew what the hell that meant.

192 PG. Don't really know. Youngest I think.

193 A lot of palin steele types believe history as they saw it on the movie screen rather than what actually happened and is taught in history class.

Given the pathetic version taught in schools, I'm afraid the second and third aren't even close relations, these days.

Trutherism 101 will be taught sooner or later.  It's only a matter of time.

194

I'm not a truther, but there are things about the WTC 7 collapse which do make--at first glance--its collapse look odd. 

Course I guess there are things about Obama's birth certificate and Waco that may make them look odd to some of you.

195 "OK JFK Jr dies in a Piper and Sarah Palin has a child named Piper. Coincidence? I think not."

What a scoop! Hold the presses!

196 What is it with the Truther obsession with WTC 7?

Is the claim that sure, the Twin Towers went down from damage and fire caused by the planes, but the government decided that (in addition to flight 93 and the Pentagon) wasn't quite enough to outrage the public so they felt they had to blow up WTC bldg 7?  A building which almost nobody outside of NYC even knew existed before the attacks and didn't result in mass casualties?

One stupid claim I've seen them make is that the FBI had an office there, so they had to destroy the evidence.  Really?  They had the ability to rig the building with explosives without anyone noticing, but wiping some government hard drives and stealing some files was beyond the  capability of the government conspirators?

Understanding their delusions is like trying to comprehend the size of the universe if the universe were made of stupid.

197 >>>Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.Â’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off with JFK, Jr., his pregnant wife and her sister Like I always note, conspiracy theorists tend to believe ALL conspiracies, because it's not about the conspiracy itself, it's about the bad workings of their own brains. Right after the JFK assassination conspiracy was floated, they began chattering that RFK was ALSO not killed by Sirhan Sirhan, despite it being on film and despite people tackling Sirhan Sirhan immediatley. Wasn't that Rosie Greer, by the way, subduing him? But they began saying the same crap, that Sirhan Sirhan was a patsy. It's not about the fact-set. It's about a brain that isn't working quite right. Whatever fact-set you present they will begin discovering "secret knowlege" and "invisible connections."

198 Yes, and some fellow with a mighty warcock said he had travelled back in time to help smite me. I wish I knew what the hell that meant. Posted by: Zombie Abe Lincoln

It means you didn't like the play.

199
OH!

A-hole cocksucker Jordan/Justin just reminded me of soemthing.

Guess who got 'quietly' released from jail?

Uncle Ubungo.

And get this: authorities aren't releasing ANY information about bail or his case. None. Zip. Nada.

200 The real issue was that the fire retardant foam on the beams was blown off by the explosion caused by the jet crash.

There's a building manager or whatever in the Spielberg Freedom Tower documentary series who explains just how much more capable, both in protection and adhesion, the fire-retardant foam is on the new building.

201 Okay, Jim, let's hear it: what makes the building 7 collapse look "odd"?

202

How does a Truther answer this? He wasn't the only one, either, as the story goes on to say:

9:02: South Tower, 81st Floor, Fuji Bank, 57 minutes to collapse

Yes, Stanley Praimnath told the caller from Chicago, he was fine. He had actually evacuated to the lobby of the south tower, but a security guard told him to go back. Now, he was again at his desk at Fuji Bank. "I'm fine," he repeated.

As he would later tell his story, those were his final words before he spotted it.

A gray shape on the horizon. An airplane, flying past the Statue of Liberty. The body of the United Airlines jet grew larger until he could see a red stripe on the fuselage. Then it banked and headed directly toward him.

Another one.

"Lord, you take over!" he remembers yelling, dropping under his metal desk.

...However the stairway survived, it made all the difference to Stanley Praimnath, who, huddled under his desk, could see a shiny aluminum piece of the plane, lodged in the remains of his door.

203 Nucking futs.

204 Yes, and some fellow with a mighty warcock said he had travelled back in time to help smite me. I wish I knew what the hell that meant.

Damn, somebody named "Warcock" cut the brake lines of my car! Traveled back in time using something call "The Skulls and Crossbones Express"!

205
And here's the astroturfer Jim.

206 I was actually the Greys, who used thir mind-control beams or something. At the direction of the Jews, of course.

207 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

208 Fire can't melt steel, and simple bending and body-warmth cannot possibly melt a spoon.

209 In the strict defintion, it only "melts" at 3000 degrees or whatever. But for God's sakes we know it "melts' before then, just not all the way.

At some point there is no further call to continue explaining elementary science because they've heard it; they're either liars or just dummies.

Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 03:23 PM

Structural engineers also explained that heated steel weakens, I forgot the percentage they said but it was obviously enough to make the floor trusses sag and bend enough to detached from the outer beams.

210 Piper Palin....or Piper Plain!?!?!?!

211

Did someone mention the chicken wire and fire test?  Because no troofer discussion is complete without that.

It's not about the fact-set. It's about a brain that isn't working quite right. Whatever fact-set you present they will begin discovering "secret knowlege" and "invisible connections."

I snagged a book for my kindle about conspiracies that's actually really interesting because it delves into a whole bunch I didn't know even existed and it discusses a bit about what it is that makes people want to believe. 

212
"Jim" isn't a Truther, but he thinks maybe Dick Cheney rigged WTC 7 with explosives acquired from Haliburton.

213

Any building made of steel and aluminum that burns to the ground will result in lots of thermite.

767s aren't made of Al you know, Boeing is just lying about that. OMG they also build military jets they are in on it!

 

I hadn't heard of that stupidity yet.

214 194 Jim,

You mean Barack Paine Franklin Henry O'bama the man with a totally non murky past that he is so forthright in sharing anyway?

um "yeah"

215 The government sank the Titanic too, since everyone knows that ice can't cut steel!

Google it!

216 Ron Paul was an inside job.

217 Jim isn't a Truther, and I am not a Stuttering Clusterfuck Of A Miserable Failure.

Oh wait.

218 201 Okay, Jim, let's hear it: what makes the building 7 collapse look "odd"?

Posted by: Kensington at September 09, 2011 03:31 PM (znT2j)

--It wasn't hit by any of the planes, nor (if I remember correctly) by any significant debris from either Tower 1 or 2 when they collapsed and that it collapsed late in the day (5 p.m. or so).  There are good explanations for why it collapsed, but it does seem "odd" that a building that wasn't hit would collapse 6 hours after the other two towers collapsed.

219 Like I always note, conspiracy theorists tend to believe ALL conspiracies, because it's not about the conspiracy itself, it's about the bad workings of their own brains.

There's a name for the phenomena:  Apophenia.  It's related to the tendency to hear voices in static, or see images in TV snow; turn it down and it's why we see bunnies and dragons in clouds and why Rorschach tests work.

220 202 Ms80sbaby,

voice actor....

it was a script read with a gun to his head in Cleveland and he was fed to gators in Florida


*see how easy this is?

221 >>>Structural engineers also explained that heated steel weakens, Well that's what I'm talking about. If you heat sword-steel it becomes deformable, which is what allows you to pound it into shape with a hammer. Is that "melted"? Or just "weakened"? When a glass blower heats glass he can make it into new shapes, just by blowing into a tube. Is that "melted"? Or just weakened and malleable? When steel gets hot, it can be formed into new shapes by pressure and force. That's great for shaping steel. But that's not so good if the steel in question is providing support for a 110 story skyscraper. Same thing happens when steel gets hot in a skyscraper as on a sword-maker's anvil-- it can be made into new shapes by force and pressure. Which is a problem when the steel is in position holding up several hundred thousand tons.

222 216 Ron Paul was an inside job.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 09, 2011 03:35 PM (rZ3UV)

I wish his Dad made it an outside job...

223

Did someone mention the chicken wire and fire test?  Because no troofer discussion is complete without that.

As you wish...

*warning, linky is to DU*

Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment.

224

the only thing i find odd about 9/11 is that since then we still TIPTOE AROUND THE MUSLIMS AND THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS DID THIS ...........AND I MAY AS WELL START MY ANNUAL RANT TODAY.............I AM STILL FUCKING ANGRY......I AM ANGRY ABOUT THIS EVERY DAMN DAY I WAKE UP AND THERE IS NOT ONE DAY THAT HAS GONE BY THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT..........AND IF YOU ARE NOT ANGRY ABOUT 9/11........YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN AND IF YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN SHAME ON YOU.......

225 Good to see there's still some wackjob birthers out there. You guys are nearly as pathetic as the truthers or the shambling old acid-heads who rant about the grassy knoll. Have you considered typing in all caps in order to be heard?

226 Many bite marks this man's pillow has. Many bite marks, and many tear stains.

227
You know what else is "odd," Jim?

A jobs bill that includes $62B to pay people not to work.

228

I'm not a truther, but there are things about the WTC 7 collapse which do make--at first glance--its collapse look odd. 

Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:30 PM (YwDKF)

No, the collapse made perfect sense in the context of what had happened.

229 There's a name for the phenomena:  Apophenia.  It's related to the tendency to hear voices in static, or see images in TV snow; turn it down and it's why we see bunnies and dragons in clouds and why Rorschach tests work.

So, Sam wasn't really talking to me?

230 >>>--It wasn't hit by any of the planes, nor (if I remember correctly) by any significant debris from either Tower 1 or 2 when they collapsed and that it collapsed late in the day (5 p.m. or so). Uhh, you don't remember correctly. It had been predicted to be a collapase-threat for hours because when the towers fell the debris blew out one-third of its lowest stories. It sat there for hours with a gaping hole in its front. But keep on workin' from memory.

231 I have real issues with those that would rather believe thousands of Americans were in a conspiracy to facillitate or  (keep it quiet)and  kill thousands, rather than believe a terrorists (that admitted on tape) would do so.

some of these were not  paulians but Obama supporters, I would like to know how they feel about killing an innocent man Bin laden, or war still going on with their g-d in charge?

232 If fire could melt steel someone would have invented a steel mill by now.

233 In fact I remember all friggin' day they were talking about whether WTC 7 would fall or not.

234
secret code word for: Jim

235 224

the only thing i find odd about 9/11 is that since then we still TIPTOE AROUND THE MUSLIMS AND THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS DID THIS ...........AND I MAY AS WELL START MY ANNUAL RANT TODAY.............I AM STILL FUCKING ANGRY......I AM ANGRY ABOUT THIS EVERY DAMN DAY I WAKE UP AND THERE IS NOT ONE DAY THAT HAS GONE BY THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT..........AND IF YOU ARE NOT ANGRY ABOUT 9/11........YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN AND IF YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN SHAME ON YOU.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work s.o.b. barbarian tea party terrorist

There were a lot of images/video that has never been seen. The reason? they don't want people to get "upset" at Muslims.

236 "My god-daughter's father, oiginally from Jamaica, believes that the US government was behind the AIDS virus to infect blacks" Not to denigrate your friend, but that is just insane. And it's one of the things that I don't get about the SCOAMF's election. How in the hell do you get elected when your mentor for 20+ years is on camera saying this stuff? I mean, we've got people upset that a Republican might not be 100% down with evolution but this crap gets a pass?

237 Any government that fixes it so the Buffalo Bills will always lose the Super Bowl can certainly make a demolition look like an attack.

The Truth is Out There, but I have to catch it in reruns

238 ofgs is that Jim, with the seal bil? that thinks soldiers families should shut the hell up?

239 So, Sam wasn't really talking to me?

No, I'm legit.  Now turn the woodchipper back on, you missed a piece.

240 I haven't read all the comments, but didn't one of the Science magazines take each truther charge and disprove them one by one?  Popular Mechanics or Popular Science or something....

241 @187 - that is absolutely correct. The original building proposal (steel and concrete construction) was too costly.  Which is why they went with the cheaper design.  This fact also goes along with my argument that the buildings never should have been built in the first place.

242

Y'know, as a song, it's pretty good. Not as good as "June Afternoon" by Roxette, but certainly more imaginative.

243 In a true free fall (neglecting atmospheric drag) y = v_yt + (1/2)gt² ,  where g=32 feet/sec/sec.   Given that WTC 1 was 1727ft tall, and rewriting the equation to solve for t (with v_y=0), you get sqrt(2y/g), or a fall time of 10.3 seconds.  In the video the actual fall time was roughly 15 seconds, close enough.

244 Trust Jim to bring the Galactic Stupid.

245 236 "My god-daughter's father, oiginally from Jamaica, believes that the US government was behind the AIDS virus to infect blacks"

Didn't Obama's preacher for 20 years, Rev Wright (Wrong), say something similar? 

246 --It wasn't hit by any of the planes, nor (if I remember correctly) by any significant debris from either Tower 1 or 2 when they collapsed and that it collapsed late in the day (5 p.m. or so).  There are good explanations for why it collapsed, but it does seem "odd" that a building that wasn't hit would collapse 6 hours after the other two towers collapsed.

Except it was badly damaged by falling debris from the towers in addition to being on fire.

The Twin Towers didn't immediately collapse, either.  That it took longer for a building that wasn't as badly damaged to collapse isn't "odd".

247

238 willow

 

yes....it's that jim..........

248 You know it's odd that the Murrow building fell down because a truck exploded several feet away from it. How does that happen?

Oh shit I went to look it up and they claim that building was rigged and that what happened was impossible.

249 A little Truth for the kiddies... http://tinyurl.com/3pz3wfb

250 "So, Sam wasn't really talking to me?"

I was talking to you, Sam, but you misunderstood me. I only wanted you to kill squirrels.

251 In fact I remember all friggin' day they were talking about whether WTC 7 would fall or not.

Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 03:39 PM (nj1bB)

Only cause the gubmint >>>knew<<< it was gonna fall and warned the cables through the Tri-Lateral commission!!11111

252 Jim's SEAL b-i-l set the explosives for WTC 7, after building a cathedral at Auschwitz.

253 If your going to put up a truther song at least put up Cartman's from South Park, that was damn funny.

254 "Alpha Base, this is Cougar Five, the secret is out.  Execute OPERATION DENY PIPER."

You down with ODP?

255 Well I would think that as each floor hit the floor below there was a delay so the floors at the top did not actually free fall. They pancaked into the floor below.

256 "Like I always note, conspiracy theorists tend to believe ALL conspiracies, because it's not about the conspiracy itself, it's about the bad workings of their own brains. " This. Conspiracy theories appeal to a certain kind of damaged ego. After all, it's flattering to believe oneself in possession of "secret knowledge." Whenever I meet a truther I ask why they aren't holding a sign demanding the release of KSM, that poor man innocently framed by our government or why they didn't protest the killing of OBL. After all, they were set up! Lol.

257 The next thing you're gonna tell me is that fire melts steel. I'm also gonna tell you that Rosie O'Donnell wilts boners.

258
DAMMIT!
I'm wrapping up my lunch break and will miss out on Jim's head glowing red from that thinking business.

259

Only cause the gubmint >>>knew<<< it was gonna fall and warned the cables through the Tri-Lateral commission!!11111

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 09, 2011 03:41 PM (FkKjr)

It was through the Buildaboogers.

260
Why did WTC 7 collapse?

Biometric Neural Interfaces.

Next question.

261 I was talking to you, Sam, but you misunderstood me. I only wanted you to kill squirrels.

Wait, I thought -I- had this one?

Well.  This is awkward.

262 I was just looking at the NYSlimes photo essay (forgive me for giving them traffic), but they actually had a picture of the bodies falling from the WTC. I was surprised they put that up.

263

You down with ODP?

Yeah, you know me.

264 "...or a fall time of 10.3 seconds.  In the video the actual fall time was roughly 15 seconds, close enough."

OMG, so it didn't free fall?!??  Conspiracy!!!

265 "You know it's odd that the Murrow building fell down because a truck exploded several feet away from it. How does that happen?"

Fucken explosives, how do they work?

/insane clown posse indeed.

266 233 In fact I remember all friggin' day they were talking about whether WTC 7 would fall or not. Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 03:39 PM

That was why cellular service wasn't working. Cheney and Giuliani took over the cell towers to send microwaves to make you think you were seeing that.

Why don't you see the truth, ace? I heard from someone who heard people in the Soho Starbucks talking about workers going in and out of the towers in the middle of the night! What were THEY up to?

Don't you want to know the truth, ace?

267 "I snagged a book for my kindle about conspiracies that's actually really interesting because it delves into a whole bunch I didn't know even existed and it discusses a bit about what it is that makes people want to believe. " What's the name of the book? I might give it a look-see.

268 218 Jim....

you tube from 9/11

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3uybxuw

really?

so they somehow faked the WTC7 debris being there with what oh wait preplanted debris?

pics of WTC 7's damaged facing

http://preview.tinyurl.com/368acu


yeah "no damage"

and Jim the slow burn is a necessity for the collapse that is the key behind the entire concept of thermal compression tensile strength breakdown.....

somehow people in the copper and bronze age grasped....apply enough pressure and enough heat for long enough metal loses structural integrity and becomes malleable.

269

I'm not a truther, but there are things about the WTC 7 collapse which do make--at first glance--its collapse look odd. 

Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:30 PM (YwDKF)

No, the collapse made perfect sense in the context of what had happened.

Posted by: Typical Liberal at September 09, 2011 03:37 PM (FkKjr)

--I agree with you, but was basically happened was (i) some of the debris from one tower hit WTC 7 causing some structural damage to the exterior and spreading flames into several floors; (ii) the fire continued to burn on several floors because the sprinklers didn't effectively work; and (iii) ultimately the fire on a few of those floors caused the collapse because it affected the structural integrity of the building.  On a normal day, the sprinklers combined with the Fire Dept would have stopped the fires before the building collapsed.

270 250 "So, Sam wasn't really talking to me?"

I was talking to you, Sam, but you misunderstood me. I only wanted you to kill squirrels.

I hate squirrels!

http://tinyurl.com/3s578l3

271

Now this shit is personal! I was a major participant in the NORAD exercise on 9/11/01 mentioned on the tv screen behind this fucktard. For him to suggest that this was in anyway connected with what those Muslim fucktards did is outrageous to me and all my co-warriors. If anything, we were fortunate to be already on a war-footing and transitioned into O.N.E. smoothly due to coincidental timing, not conspiracy.

 Hey Jimmy, Jr: here's one son of a bitch you can take out with my blessing!

272 there are things about the WTC 7 collapse which do make--at first glance--its collapse look odd

How many building collapses do you have to watch before you can see one that doesn't look odd?

273 "...or a fall time of 10.3 seconds.  In the video the actual fall time was roughly 15 seconds, close enough."

This just proves the government is controlling the earth's rotation.

274 "I haven't read all the comments, but didn't one of the Science magazines take each truther charge and disprove them one by one?  Popular Mechanics or Popular Science or something..."

One of those guys worked for FAUX NEWS OR SOMETHING1!!1

275

Which is why they went with the cheaper design. This fact also goes along with my argument that the buildings never should have been built in the first place.

Well they lasted just fine until they were attacked.

276 "Wasn't that Rosie Greer, by the way, subduing him?"

Yes...and he had two heads.


It's been documented.

277 I'm not saying that Jim did anything with that cucumber. All I know is that the refrigerator door was open and he was buckling his pants when I walked in the kitchen. I'm just asking questions.

278
the fire continued to burn on several floors because the sprinklers didn't effectively work

uh oh, he's on to me!

279

--It wasn't hit by any of the planes, nor (if I remember correctly) by any significant debris from either Tower 1 or 2 when they collapsed and that it collapsed late in the day (5 p.m. or so).  There are good explanations for why it collapsed, but it does seem "odd" that a building that wasn't hit would collapse 6 hours after the other two towers collapsed.

Posted by: Jim

 

It does seem "odd" that the bridge at Remagen would collapse weeks after it was captured, while it was being repaired, after withstanding a demolition attempt and several attacks.

It does seem "odd" that RMS Titanic could stay afloat and continue to make steam hours after grazing an iceberg.

It does seem "odd" that Lincoln would survive for hours after being shot in the head at popint blank range.

You have confused the meaning of the words "odd" with "delayed reaction".

Get your trained seal relative to help you out

280 Teh Spitwad Brigade

Stupidity's gone epidemic.

Directing anger towards "truthers" so as to feel better? If you want to ridicule some idiot, stick on Obama's bony ass.

It's easy to join mob mentality group-think if you let yourself, and that criticism applies across the board.

....as if the derangement syndrome doesn't apply to those Americans now who promote the extermination of the entire Afghan population.

Given the 10th year since 9/11/01, consider how we should direct our energies best to prove ourselves "worthy" of the "exceptional" American quality.

If the World Trade Center is to be rebuilt then rebuild it, NOT at taxpayer expense, tyvm.

If a Memorial is to be, leave it a garden with benches. If there's to be a fountain, let it be a neutral shape, a water fall into a collecting pool.

Get over who did it or didn't do it. What's done is done. We can't maintain sanity or American Exceptionalism by scapegoating skeptical fellow citizens including the very 9/11 Commissioners who denounced their report after government official testimony from witnesses called was proven false by White House order. THAT MUCH IS Bush's fault. Paying off Tower victim families $1million to buy their silence officially valued their lives as more important than every other life lost from 9/11 or those previously killed in the Oklahoma City bombing.

The recently declassified photos from 9/11/01 NYC are released and online. Sobering.

Given 9/11 for the tenth time around, look at all the wrongs that we've brought onto ourselves given how abusively authoritarian and horribly corrupt the DHS and TSA and ATF are behaving (not to mention the intelligence community involvement taking down Egypt and promoting al-Qaeda ruling Libya), effectively sabotaging America, compounded by our PC Government policies erasing the Constitution through opportunistic "social-justice", and the foolish PC COIN Military directives frustrating our troops ability to survive let alone win whatever victory that hasn't been determined.

God help us. We're stuck in wars that haven't been declared any more than a clear purpose and strategy for victory and return home have been declared and utilized. "Fighting over there so we don't have to over here" gave us Obama, Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder, Bernanke and the lot of federal thugs ruining our lives here. "Winning the hearts and minds of our enemies" won't work any better at home, in Congress or anywhere abroad, no matter what region of the world. Given the inane stupidity of PC and of COIN, who is impressed by America's ten year response to 9/11?

Given the atrocity of 9/11, President George W. Bush admonished Americans to go about our daily lives. If only our daily lives were now what they were in 2001, law abiding and taxpaying American citizens would not be under attack by our own federal government as we are.

So get off the case of "truthers" or "birthers" of whoever else really bugs you, and use your brain and energy to facilitate the downfall of encroaching authoritarianism. Unless of course you're too cowardly to face down authoritarians, being satisfied or snug as a bug in your own rug, and enjoy schadenfreude more than constitutional victory, preferring to take cheap shots at conservative voters whom you'd rather burn at the stake than have building your own voter coalition numbers to defeat Obama.

It's as if truther-haters prefer to perpetrate more of the establishment's corruption, for whatever reason, to choose "to die on" the hill of least resistance once again, to claim revisionist "victory" that relents to aggression without admitting having fallen for dhimmitude. Vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

281 252 Jim's SEAL b-i-l set the explosives for WTC 7, after building a cathedral at Auschwitz.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 09, 2011 03:41 PM (JUzf5)

--Shh.  He made us pinky swear to secrecy.

282 @ 248 - I was in our switching office about two blocks away when the bomb went off in front of the Murrah building in OKC.  The bomb took out all the glass in all the buildings for several blocks - the broken glass looked like ice in the streets.  Anyway, we ran out of our building and down the block and looked at the Murrah building - it was clear to see that several vertical support beams were completely blown away which caused the front of the building to collapse.  No mystery there at all.  Horrible day BTW.

283

On a normal day, the sprinklers combined with the Fire Dept would have stopped the fires before the building collapsed.

You mean like, a day where a collapsing skyscraper didn't cause any structual damage?  You mean like that kind of normal day?

284 Even the WaPo rebuked the Truthers today:

Those persistent myths about the Sept. 11 attacks

"Somehow, there are still people who donÂ’t believe that on Sept. 11, 2001, a group of terrorists seized four commercial jetliners and piloted them toward New York and Washington, killing thousands of people....Never mind the reams of sober and professional reports that have explored what actually happened and why."

Debunking of several Truther arguments follows.

285

O/T CU and KSU get $850k to study effects of global warming on prairie dogs.

http://tinyurl.com/3zfymks

 

 

 

286 If our government had orchestrated 9/11 and is as merciless as the 9/11 Truthers seem to imply that is, the people who make these songs, along with gits like Dylan Avery (the guy who shot "Loose Change"), would either be in jail or dead. 

287

Kratos, I'm pretty sure he did. I'd be surprised if he didn't. Mandy said he did.

Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 03:39 PM (qFpRI)

We have amazing media that always does it's job.

phoenixgirl - Yeah, I'm always angry too.

 

288 Juxtaposing Rosie O'Donnell and boner is just wrong.

289 maverick muse outs himself. And he wants you to know he's not up on this calling people out just for being Truthers.

290 this is how all buildings fall, numbskulls.

291 275 "Wasn't that Rosie Greer, by the way, subduing him?"

Yes...and he had two heads.

It's been documented.

Posted by: Sgt. York at September 09, 2011 03:46 PM (fhLYa)

I NEVER get any credit for my contribution, thank you.

292 Due to the necessity of the debris having to crush the building underneath all the way to the ground, the building would have to fall at some speed slower than g. The people jumping out of the windows would fall at closer to g as they could fall freely all the way to the ground.

293 233 Ace,

they were I posted a link to a youtube of it....

they had a 100% emptied of civilian structurally unsound environment that was putting a fire company in harm's way in an attempt to stabilize a situation on a building that was obviously a 100% loss

so put on your reasoning cap:

1) why risk the firemen who have been emotionally battered by the deaths of dozens of their friends and can help secure the perimeter and analyze the disaster area

or

2) the FDNY decide that the owner wanted it detonated and in an act of complicity spoke openly about a conspiracy that already had 4,000 or so notches on its gunbelt on open air?

yeah exactly

"just askin' questions"

294 Prairie Dogs are fine. Thanks for the 850G's.

295 Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 03:47 PM (lpWVn)

U mad bro?

296 As I keep saying, if you believe one conspiracy theory, you tend to believe most of them.

297 Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 02:56 PM (M9Ie6)

Vic, you just don't understand the "physics" of it.

Go to the hardware store, buy the largest drill bit they sell. Come home, drill into your brain several inches, pour some Drano in the hole, wait a few minutes, and then rethink it. You should be able to understand. If not, just repeat the process until it all makes sense.

298 "Wait, I thought -I- had this one?
Well.  This is awkward."

Me sorry. Me am dawg and can't always type so good woof woof.

Me meant me talked to David, not Sam.  Me only wanted David to kill squirrels.

299 was the other idea floated , that mossad did it?
I've heard that one too.

cannot understand  what's so damn hard to understand about terrorists  doing such a thing

what about beslan, or the theater.
what about london ?
spain?
indonesia?
were these all made up by different gvts to contrain the peoples somehow?

300

Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 03:47 PM (lpWVn)

Yet another pyromaniac in a field of strawmen.

Now you've all done it.  You've got him all riled up.

301 I'm currently organizing a flash mob of truthers to come here and bust some heads and stuff. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

302 The biggest piece of evidence against truther asshattery is the vacuous moon-face Bush made when he was told about it while reading My Pet Goat. You can't fake that kind of dumb.

303 uh, this is how all buildings fall, numbskulls.

304

It does seem "odd" that the bridge at Remagen would collapse weeks after it was captured, while it was being repaired, after withstanding a demolition attempt and several attacks.

It does seem "odd" that RMS Titanic could stay afloat and continue to make steam hours after grazing an iceberg.

It does seem "odd" that Lincoln would survive for hours after being shot in the head at popint blank range.

You have confused the meaning of the words "odd" with "delayed reaction".

Get your trained seal relative to help you out

Posted by: Gen Wesly Clark at September 09, 2011 03:46 PM (326rv)

--I'd only put the bridge at Remagen in the category of "odd"--especially since we sent a bunch of trucks and people across the bridge for (if I remember correctly) a few weeks before it collapsed as we were trying to stabilize it.  You don't expect a large boat to sink immediately and you don't necessarily expect people to die immediately after they're shot.

305 262
I was just looking at the NYSlimes photo essay (forgive me for giving them traffic), but they actually had a picture of the bodies falling from the WTC. I was surprised they put that up.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 09, 2011 03:43 PM (JNqU9)

How long ago was it that it was taboo to show the planes impact or video of the towers coming down?  Or much else from that day? 

306

I'm not a truther, but there are things about the WTC 7 collapse which do make--at first glance--its collapse look odd. 

Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:30 PM

UFOs destroyed it with death rays to keep firefighters from discovering the Roswell files archived there on orders from the Rothschilds!

Come on man, don't you watch Ancient Aliens?!!!!

307 World Trade Center 7:

"The building collapsed because of long-burning fires in its interior, which had started from debris damage caused by the collapse of Tower 1. The fires began as small, single cubicle fires on 10 different floors, and then adjacent cubicles caught fire, superheating offices that then burst into flame.

The density of paper materials in the office building exacerbated the situation. Meanwhile, the water supplies for the buildingÂ’s sprinkler system were eliminated by the collapse of the Twin Towers."

If you listen to accounts by firefighters, they say that they were concerned that WTC 7 was going to collapse and they evacuated the area.

308 298 Dang.  Knew I shoulda possessed that airline stewardess...

309 I also recall WTC 7s fate was talked about at least for a while before it came down. I see troofers say that there was no indication that it as in trouble, it just came down all at once. It started slumping about an hour before hand.

310

Did you guys know that high carbon steel can become very brittle and lose strength if it's exposed to long periods of cold conditions? Like ohhhhh say, being immersed in the North Atlantic?

But I had to listen to Rosie O'Donnell. Would someone please punch her in the head for me? I'm a little indisposed at the moment.

311 Posted by: Ronster at September 09, 2011 03:48 PM (/ej8I)

You mean the prairie dogs that people hunt as varmints with really accurate, high-velocity, small caliber rifles?

We have lost our collective minds.

312 You don't expect a large boat to sink immediately  Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:51 PM

Oh really?

313 Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 03:47 PM (lpWVn)

Grade-A crazy as usual maverick.  Let's not 'move past' trutherism.  It's insane nonsense.

314 Hahaha, look at Jim trying to walk back the Galactic Stupid he engaged in merely to take some cheap shots.

Suck it, asswipe. Post a couple of links to irrelevant shit while you're at it. That's all you're good for.

315

The only saving grace is that she's not angry. She's not an angry Truther; she's just a "ho-hum" Truther. She just accepts that the world is run by shadowy figures (perhaps of lizard origin) who seed the clouds with chemicals, organize pedophile rings to entrap politicians, and every now and then blow up buildings to serve their purposes.

Posted by: Kensington at September 09, 2011 03:20 PM (znT2j)

 

I have a website she might be interested in. Do you know if she needs a calendar?

316 My first question to any truther is where the fuck were you on 09/11/01? Cuz I was 5 blocks away from WTC and don't need some douchebag telling me that what I physically felt and personally observed either did not happen or was somehow caused by something other than assholes crashing planes into buildings.

I also ask if they know any government workers would have risked their pensions to participate in such a plan. Other less polite questions follow that involve questionable parentage, medication and allegations of intelligence of the truther.

317

huh maverick muse is a guy?  now that's odd...........

318 U mad bro?

Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 09, 2011 03:49 PM (GBXon)

I missed the origin of this new meme.  What's it from?

319

--I'd only put the bridge at Remagen in the category of "odd"--especially since we sent a bunch of trucks and people across the bridge for (if I remember correctly) a few weeks before it collapsed as we were trying to stabilize it.  You don't expect a large boat to sink immediately and you don't necessarily expect people to die immediately after they're shot.

Posted by: Jim

 

You might. But then, you're an asshole with a phantom seal relative.The combat engineers working on the bridge (several of whom died when it collapsed) thought it odd that the bitch stood as long as it had. The US had been trying to push as much equipment across the span as fast as they could while trying to fix it. Combine that to enemy action, and every moment it stood was a miracle.

And that's the difference between engineering and bullshit. Odd, ain't it?

320 "It started slumping about an hour before hand.

Posted by: troofer at September 09, 2011 03:52 PM (Fw2Gg)"

Yep.  One side was badly damaged, the other side wasn't.

Ya know, cause a huge building fell on one side of it.

Of course, they say it fell suddenly with no warning, and then say those warning it was going to fall are now proof of a conspiracy involving firefighters and journalists.  Any evidence you find that they are wrong is just seen as evidence of a greater conspiracy, which I realize is the point 1000 other people just made already.

Sick, though.  With no evidence but 'I interpret "pull it" to mean X,Y,Z', they slander people who went through hell and buried dear friends.  Just sick.

321

The whole truther thing was a setup for putting a sleeper Kenyan communist in the White House..... So that the term 'truther' would already be in place, and synonymous with 'luntic loon'.....So that when people finally got around to asking for a birth certificate for the Kenyan commie, they could be dismissed by calling them a 'birther'.

See. I figured it all out. Makes sense doesn't it?

Now the Katrina thing.....that was caused by the Illuminati who have a hurricane generator. They just wanted to kill people and give Bush an excuse to put the country in more debt. They want the world economy to collapse, you know.

322

Don't forget the nice bit of anti-Semitism he slipped in there, with the Islamist sponsored shtick about the USS Liberty.

What a complete and utter piece of filth.

323

Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 03:47 PM (lpWVn)

Never before has someone written so much that says so little.

324 "Cuz I was 5 blocks away from WTC and don't need some douchebag telling me that what I physically felt and personally observed either did not happen or was somehow caused by something other than assholes crashing planes into buildings. " Ah, but see this is where the holographic projectors come in! / do I really have to?

325 You don't expect a large boat to sink immediately  Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:51 PM

Oh really?

Posted by: The crew of the USS Indianapolis

 

Now he tells us.

326

In the strict defintion, it only "melts" at 3000 degrees or whatever. But for

actually it start at 1200 degrees. I once explained the concept to an asshole who told me "fire can't melt steel"ala Rosie O'dumbass, holding a torch just barely touching a 2" thick steelplate and invited him to go ahead and touch the glowing red metal. I think he changed his mind.

what's with the italics?

327

Engineering is the practical application of science.

Trutherism is the religious application of stupidity. Sometimes called Progressivism.

328

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 03:52 PM (LH6ir)

You are correct sir.

329 262 I was just looking at the NYSlimes photo essay (forgive me for giving them traffic), but they actually had a picture of the bodies falling from the WTC. I was surprised they put that up.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 09, 2011 03:43 PM (JNqU9)

A few other outlets posted them in their photo galleries. I still can't look at those photos or re-watch that part of the footage. It just breaks my heart.

330 U mad bro?

Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 09, 2011 03:49 PM (GBXon)

I missed the origin of this new meme.  What's it from?

 Hereabouts.

331 What was that, Maverick Muse? I couldn't hear you over the sound of how stupid you are.

What makes you think ONE discussion in ONE thread suddenly means we're all about accepting authoritarian abuses?

Get the fuck over your anti-intellectualism and grow the hell up.

332 325 You don't expect a large boat to sink immediately  Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:51 PM

Oh really?

Posted by: The crew of the USS Indianapolis

 

Now he tells us.

Posted by: crew of HMS Hood at September 09, 2011 03:59 PM (6rX0K)

We didn't get the memo either

333 Posted by: Penfold at September 09, 2011 03:56 PM (1PeEC)

Question the size of the truther's penis. That will usually get them worked up.

I am assuming the goal is to get them to swing on you so you can knock their teeth down their throats and then call a cop.

334 Maverick muse, You's a crazy fucker.

335 As I keep saying, if you believe one conspiracy theory, you tend to believe most of them.

That's what They want you to thonk.

336 My nephew believes in lizard people.  He's six.

337

Posted by: The crew of the USS Indianapolis

 

Now he tells us.

Posted by: crew of HMS Hood at September 09, 2011 03:59 PM (6rX0K)

We didn't get the memo either

Posted by: crew of RMS Lusitania

 

Good news. That means that we are not really trapped in a capsized death trap! Life is good.

338 >>>If you listen to accounts by firefighters, they say that they were concerned that WTC 7 was going to collapse and they evacuated the area. For hours the media's question, over and over again, based on interviews with firemen and engineers, was if WTC would stand or fall. It fell. And the truthers then exclaimed "sudden, unanticipated collapse." Furthermore, the chatter was also (irony alert) about doing a controlled demolition if it DIDN'T fall, because it was structurally unsound and would have to be destroyed either way. Friggin' the whole front fascade was torn out. You could see inside the building.

339 "Ah, but see this is where the holographic projectors come in!

/ do I really have to?"

Now that changes everything!!!

340 320 Dustin,

all done in a temper tantrum for partisan gain because a group of people weaned on fairy tales about the Vietnam war thought the GOP'd never lose another election....

yeah they pissed on the dead for a sick grab at undermining a political opponent.

"charming".....

as Gump said, "sometimes you just don't got enough rocks"

341 Whose turn is it now to punch Jim in the slats?

342 >>>actually it start at 1200 degrees. right, I knew I highballed that. I was going to note "or 1500 degrees." 3000 degrees is pretty hot.

343 Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 09, 2011 04:00 PM (o2lIv)

Watch them, but use it as a reminder of the people we are dealing with.

I watch occasionally, just to refresh my anger and hatred of the murderous death cult.

344

Posted by: The crew of the USS Indianapolis

 

Now he tells us.

Posted by: crew of HMS Hood at September 09, 2011 03:59 PM (6rX0K)

We didn't get the memo either

Posted by: crew of RMS Lusitania

crew of USS Oklahoma

Good news. That means that we are not really trapped in a capsized death trap! Life is good.

Good to know.

345 actually it start at 1200 degrees.

right, I knew I highballed that. I was going to note "or 1500 degrees."

3000 degrees is pretty hot.

Posted by: ace

 

What a sploppy blog. You should be more precise with your figures. People will take you for a lunatic otherwise.

346 Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2011 04:03 PM (3SvjA)

LMAO

347 --There's a difference between hitting an iceburg and getting hit with a torpedo.  The Hood essentially split in half.

348 338 Ace,

which had my uncle a just retired captain in the troy ohio fire department wondering what the hell was going on with having any team near it....

when I got to leave DC metro to go home to visit as my mom was dying of cancer  he was convinced they had to have been chasing a ruptured gas main if there was one or something.....

it was a bad bad week....

I'm glad mom was in a coma....she would have been terrified thinking a nuclear war was coming...she was always scared of the desk drills.

349 Has anyone else always felt like maverick muse was some kind of autobot posting disjointed paragraphs?

350

You's a crazy fucker.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 09, 2011 04:03 PM (fWg4t)

This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode with maverick muse in the role of Kramer.

Seinfeld: "Ah, you're crazy."
Kramer: "Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?!"
Seinfeld: "It's impossible!"
Kramer: "Is it? Or is it so possible that your head is spinning like a top?!"
Seinfeld: "It can't be."
Kramer: "Can it? Or is your entire world just crashing down all around you?"
Seinfeld: "Alright, that's enough."
Kramer: "Yaaaaaaahhh!!!"

351 @CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative))

Beating the mentally retarded isn't really my style, but there is the urge.

352

And that's the difference between engineering and bullshit. Odd, ain't it?

If you choose to believe in engineering, that's your right. If I want to believe in bullshit, that's my right.

(I'm playing a role here, but I can continue if anyone likes. Really: These people's minds are impervious.)

353 Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 04:05 PM (UvNAW)

This just highlights the stupidity of the truthers and their blather about fire can't melt steel. You don't even have to melt it, just weaken it. I'm not an engineer, so I can't even begin to guess at what temperature structural steel begins to weaken, but I'll bet that the temperature is far below the point at which the steel begins to flow.

354 349 Has anyone else always felt like maverick muse was some kind of autobot posting disjointed paragraphs?

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 09, 2011 04:08 PM (ZaTQU)

He gets really upset if you call the Paul-bot that ran against Perry and Hutchison in the last GOP Governor's Primary a Truther.

355 I saw a photo from a European site of the front of the WTC lobby.  At first I couldn't understand why they painted it all red .  Then I closed the browser as fast as possible.

356 There's a difference between hitting an iceburg and getting hit with a torpedo.  The Hood essentially split in half.

Posted by: Jim

 

Earth to Jim: HMS Hood was engaged with a heavy cruiser (Prinz Eugen) and a battleship (Bismarck). They never closed to torpedo range.

357

Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 03:47 PM (lpWVn)

Dude, do you not read the regular ass beatings directed at the JEF posted on here on a regular basis? I mean, really- just where the fuck do you think SCOAMF originated? So now, you've become pissed because of a post making fun of a Twoofer singing a Twoofer song? Really? THAT'S what got your dander up?

I'm just asking questions here, man.

358 ***FLASH OVERRIDE*** INCOMING TRANSMISSION FROM RONULUS PRIME... "Jooooooos!!!" TRANSMISSION ENDS

359 347 Jim,

not really Jim there is the interaction of displacement, buoyancy, structural integrity.....

the Okie flipped....

at the end of the day catastrophic structural failure and our inability to model what actually happened precisely should be a simple lesson on the limits of "modeling" but somehow we take for granted the PC never lies.

360 Posted by: Al Gore at September 09, 2011 04:10 PM (326rv)

As I recall, a shell dropped between the stacks and penetrated to a magazine.

361 Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 09, 2011 04:08 PM (ZaTQU)

Good point, but it has at least a modicum of AI. You can tell because he isn't touting Romney.

362

Maverick Muse: Right on, brother! Preach it to these wonky wannabe-conservatives! Trutherism isn't about conspiracy theories; it's about Liberty!

Have I got a candidate for you!

RAWN PAWL!!!1!

363

Wait.....there are no Lizard People?

I thought that one was true.....I mean, what else could explain Debbie Wassername-Shults? I could have sworn that her eyes turned all lizardy-looking one time.

364 There's a difference between hitting an iceburg and getting hit with a torpedo. The Hood essentially split in half.

Yeah, that happens sometimes.

365

Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 04:08 PM (YwDKF)

Look Dickwad. I am a welder and also do Oxy-cutting. If you want to, come to my house and I show your ignorant ass how heat, even as low as 600 degrees, applied to a supporting steelbeam over several hours basically turns said steel to mush and it eventually loses all strength and will buckle and collapse, usually taking the structure it supports with it.

366

For those that have never used an oxy-acetylene torch, it is a very good example of fire melting steel.

367

Earth to Jim: HMS Hood was engaged with a heavy cruiser (Prinz Eugen) and a battleship (Bismarck). They never closed to torpedo range.

Posted by: Al Gore at September 09, 2011 04:10 PM (326rv)

 

--You're right.  A shell hit its magazine.

368 As Sandy said, you also have to add in the very ego-pleasing Heroic Narrative of lonely prophets standing up to huge conspiracy of black-armored government thugs. I do not believe anyone has ever talked about this crap without enjoying that sweet feeling of *heroism.* I know in high school, when I would go on like a prat about the JFK assassination, I was pretty sure I was "fighting the conspiracy" by bringing the truth to the unenlightened.

369 Posted by: Al Gore at September 09, 2011 04:10 PM (326rv)

As I recall, a shell dropped between the stacks and penetrated to a magazine.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

 

Ironically, she was one of the last capital ships armed with torpedos (big brutes) and one theory was that the shell struck these. The resulting explosion defeated her relatively weak deck armor, and caused a chain of explosions.   She was slated for a rebuild, which would have included further horizontal armor and AA mounts, and the removal of the torpedo tubes. The outbreak of the war prevented the rebuild.

370

This just highlights the stupidity of the truthers and their blather about fire can't melt steel. You don't even have to melt it, just weaken it. I'm not an engineer, so I can't even begin to guess at what temperature structural steel begins to weaken, but I'll bet that the temperature is far below the point at which the steel begins to flow.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 04:09 PM (LH6ir)

There are nice little tables that show it.   I've got a text book somewhere with one.  Of course heat treating can make it more resistant at higher temperatures, but you're not going to be doing that to building materials that won't be seeing extremely high temps.

371 In just the past hour They got to Penfold and Ma Bell too.

372 Now Jim's going to school us all with his extensive maritime disaster expertise to try and distract attention from the fact he got everything about WTC 7 wrong, just to to take a couple of cheap shots.

373

the only thing i find odd about 9/11 is that since then we still TIPTOE AROUND THE MUSLIMS AND THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS DID THIS ...........AND I MAY AS WELL START MY ANNUAL RANT TODAY.............I AM STILL FUCKING ANGRY......I AM ANGRY ABOUT THIS EVERY DAMN DAY I WAKE UP AND THERE IS NOT ONE DAY THAT HAS GONE BY THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT..........AND IF YOU ARE NOT ANGRY ABOUT 9/11........YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN AND IF YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN SHAME ON YOU.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work s.o.b. barbarian tea party terrorist

There were a lot of images/video that has never been seen. The reason? they don't want people to get "upset" at Muslims.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 09, 2011 03:39 PM (136wp)

You are not alone in this.  Our elite betters have sold us out yet again and continue to do so (both R & D).  I am not sure we will awake soon enough to ever recover.
My daughter walked through that corridor in the Pentagon 10 minutes before the plane hit.  Thank God she was uninjured, but I hate these muz bastards with a hate that will never cease.  I will never forget that evil day, and I will never forgive.

374 If we had to blow up the towers for justification to trade blood for oil why didn't we just frame Alaska so we could get some of that sweet ANWR stash?

375 What is steel compared to the joooos who melt it?

376

355...I saw a photo from a European site of the front of the WTC lobby. At first I couldn't understand why they painted it all red . Then I closed the browser as fast as possible.

Posted by: Huusker at September 09, 2011 04:10 PM (+GTBC)

-----------

That sounds like a painting that Christianne Amanpour has in her apartment....Really, she actually does have a large bloody-looking painting of the WTC figured prominently on her walls.

377 An Oxy torch burns between 1600 and 1900 degrees. You should see me cuttin heavy duty 6" plates. Like a hot knife through butter. It's beautiful

378 I guess Jim ignored that LA highway underpass fire and collapse.

379 I know in high school, when I would go on like a prat about the JFK assassination, I was pretty sure I was "fighting the conspiracy" by bringing the truth to the unenlightened. Seriously? You were one of those? The guy at the next desk once asked me, "So, Jeff. Do you believe that men really landed on the moon?" I must have blacked out for awhile, because suddenly I found myself standing over him with a bloody three-hole punch in my hand.

380 I guess there will be no morons attending the 9/11 Truth film festival.  It's being put on by none other that the biggest piece of dog excrement walking around in a human suit on the face of the Earth: Allen Michaan.  And since I had the displeasure of working for this inhuman mouth-breather for six years, I feel comfortable saying that.  If I ever see him on the street... no, not going there.

He also runs an auction house on the decomissioned Alameda Naval base called Michaan Auctions.  I went to a "preview" of theirs once where I saw an aircraft hangar stuffed to the gills with the largest collection of worthless garage sale leftovers I have ever seen, all minimum-priced above what even the most frenzied eBayer would pay.  If you're in the market for, well, anything old I suggest skipping them and not giving this 9/11 Troofer a cent of your money.  But feel free to stop by and take a crap on an old chair there or something.  No one will even notice for a week.

381 I tried to resist, but the sweet sweet pleasure of fighting the man is too much.

382 fellow Americans' respond to 9/11 in a multitude of ways


9/11 musical tributes include

Music: I Believe (9/11 tribute) by Blessed Union of Souls

In the Arms of an Angel (since 1997 transposed for 2001)

To remain united in spirit matters, "Don't Give Up On Me" troop tribute.

...and grace my fears released... through many dangers, toils and snares we have already come, the grace that brought us safe thus far will lead us home.

383 Type WTC 7 in google and see what pops up.

384

Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 09, 2011 04:21 PM (HwE/1)

Maybe I should go, I live in the Bay Area (eastbay). I could bring some stuff for show and tell for those asshole, maybe knock down a supporting steelbeam and bring it down on their fucking heads

385 Truther > non-Truther = Democrat Party

386

379.....I must have blacked out for awhile, because suddenly I found myself standing over him with a bloody three-hole punch in my hand.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 09, 2011 04:21 PM (fWg4t)

--------------

Good for you.

The moon landing hoaxers are complete assholes. To call them 'morons' would be an insult to morons.

387 You don't expect a large boat to sink immediately  Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 03:51 PM

Thank goodness, huh?

388 Fire can't melt steel!! Ignore thousands of years of metalurgy and accept what I say simply because I'm adding many exclamation points!!!!!!!! That means I'm sincere and sincerity is enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

389 And he wants you to know he's not up on this calling people out just for being Truthers.

Posted by: ace at September 09, 2011 03:49 PM (nj1bB)

You out yourself as a spitwad hack, ace. Missed by that much.

390 Hey, lets don't conflate the bringing down of the Towers by Al Qaeda and the phony moon landing.

391

Charlie Gasparino just told Neil Cavuto that the market did an "extreme puke" today....."not just a little puke, but an extreme puke".

392

Ah, the people who won't believe something merely because it's something "they" want you to believe. When I get too much of this, I offer a conspiracy of my own. I sheepishly say "Japan" soft enough they I have to repeat it:

"Japan. I've never seen it. Sure, they taught me about Japan in the government-run schools, because it's something the government wants me to think is there. My father was in the Pacific during World War Two, but oddly, they never sent him to Japan. Bush said he actually visited Japan, but I don't believe anything that guy says."

393 >>>Seriously? You were one of those? Yup. I had a lot of "facts." I was pretty annoying. I think a lot of men, especially, find a pleasure in "mastery" over a field, even if that field is dumb and kooky. Nerds love being masters of arcane nerd trivia, for example, and tend to get arrogant about it (if they're dicks). Conspiracy theorists love their "Did you know..." questions.

394

I'm going with the lizard people ...

395 343 Watch them, but use it as a reminder of the people we are dealing with.

I watch occasionally, just to refresh my anger and hatred of the murderous death cult.


Some things just stay with you, and seeing that live as well as the further and more graphic footage by the Naudet Brothers was enough for me and I'll always have a long and lingering hate. But the media shouldn't censor it.

Something else I was thinking about is how much the stories of some of the heroes seems to be covered less each year, people like Rick Rescorla, Todd Beamer, Orio Palmer, Ladder Company 6, and so on and so forth. The articles from that time period convey a greater sense of heroism in the face of such evil.

396 You are safe blaming everything on the lizard people ...

397 I will show once and for all that fire will melt steel. In the name of science I will work my way up to steel by first burning Rosie O'donnell to prove that fire will melt lard.

398 IIRC, WTC7 also had a metric fuckton of diesel fuel in it to run backup generators for Verizon.  So clearly the "Can You Hear Me Now" guy was in on TEH CONSPIRACY.

I made it 2:47 into the video before wanting to icepick my ears.  Anyone get further?

399 378 I guess Jim ignored that LA highway underpass fire and collapse. Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 09, 2011 04:21 PM

Maybe because it happened in the Bay Area. But the point is taken

400 Very funny Just Shoot Me had Nina disputing the quote unquote "Moon Landing." Were they astronauts? Or Actor-nauts? You know why they wore reflective helmets that obscured their faces? So you couldn't see them giggling.

401 #389 maverick moose , missed what by that much? Your autoprogram just can't duplicate normal conversation?

402 9/11 from space.

403 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWGix2OrP1k

404 Something else I was thinking about is how much the stories of some of the heroes seems to be covered less each year, people like Rick Rescorla, Todd Beamer, Orio Palmer, Ladder Company 6, and so on and so forth. The articles from that time period convey a greater sense of heroism in the face of such evil.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 09, 2011 04:30 PM

Don't forget FDNY chaplain Mike Judge. Makes it doubly insulting that Mayor Bloomingidiot somehow can't make room for clergy and firefighters at the 9-11 memorial

405 Very funny Just Shoot Me had Nina disputing the quote unquote "Moon Landing."

Were they astronauts? Or Actor-nauts?

You know why they wore reflective helmets that obscured their faces? So you couldn't see them giggling.

Posted by: ace

 

That was a great character. Was there any rock star she hadn't slept with?

406 I saw the look on his face before I even hit play and said "Nah, don't need to even waste the time."

407 kbdabear they just want you to think it was in the Bay area but I know better.

408

396.... You are safe blaming everything on the lizard people ...

Posted by: HotConservativeMan at September 09, 2011 04:32 PM (GvYeG)

--------

Oh, thank you. I was beginning to doubt everything.....It's good to know that some things are still true. 

409 Chickenpot Chickenpot Chickenpot Piiiieee!!

410

Earth to Jim: HMS Hood was engaged with a heavy cruiser (Prinz Eugen) and a battleship (Bismarck). They never closed to torpedo range.

Posted by: Al Gore at September 09, 2011 04:10 PM (326rv)

 

--You're right.  A shell hit its magazine.

Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 04:16 PM

Sigh. Again?

411 maverick muse, Okay, if I misstated your position, please clarify. That is what I thought you were saying. Or were you just saying we should give Ron Paul a pass on his paranoid delusions because his paranoia is in the service of detecting authoritarian putsches?

412

Right on, Brother Maverick Muse! East-coast "conservative" frauds like Mr. Of Spades here wonder why we have so much Statism in this country while they ridicule the brave Americans who fearlessly question the State's role in 9/11!

We need a rEVOLution in this nation! Liberty is on the march!

RAWN PAWL!!!1!

413 "Cahn't?"  Stupid limey fuck.

414 So will there be no clergy at the 9/11 memorial, or will Bloomberg find room for an Imam or two?

415 Wow.  What an assclown this guy is.

416   378 I guess Jim ignored that LA highway underpass fire and collapse.

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 09, 2011 04:21 PM (PCEZn)

I try not to pay attention to what happens in California.

417 404 Don't forget FDNY chaplain Mike Judge. Makes it doubly insulting that Mayor Bloomingidiot somehow can't make room for clergy and firefighters at the 9-11 memorial.

It's disgusting, is what it is. Fox also reported that no evangelicals were invited to the service at the National Cathedral and that an atheist group is complaining about the Ground Zero Cross.

418 What is the correlation between truthers and University graduates?  Is there one?

I tend to find... the more wacky types I run into are short on real-life critical thinking, but are full of hyper-thinking where everything is connected or there is always a "hidden agenda".  Oh, and they have degrees.... and feel they are ever so brighter than the rubes that live here and there...

no, I did not graduate... Me?  2 years of college followed by 3 in the Army ... where I did a lot of growing up and learning about life...

419 Ron Paul!11!!!

420 418 Yip,

critical thinking skills are related to observational capacity and sequential cognition, deduction, and induction....

you have a trained mind that is something that used to be required for the piece of sheep that really isn't anymore.

421 418 What is the correlation between truthers and University graduates?  Is there one?

Based on my experiences in the wide world, including Walmart, I'd say no correlation. 

422 Ha ha, that's funny. But seriously, there are no lizard people.

The Marshalls, however, were Jewish.

423

He cites David Icke?

That guy believes in Shape-Shifting and New World oder is actually orchestrated by Lizard People...WTF?????

The problem here is he is not a Structural Engineer....and I am! The reason the Towers collapsed makes perfect sense if you understand the Building.

424 birther/truther. Yes, there are blithering idiots and scaremongers who thrive on throwing everything out of proportion, and you'll find them where you'd rather not.

When the circumstances regarding Obama's birth and Indonesian Muslim citizenship and upbringing were made public, some less educated Americans expressed concerns using "wrong" words, such as the old lady expressing her fear of a potential Obama administration to McCain. She missoke "Arab" instead of Muslim. Another old lady at a Townhall meeting upset because Obama wouldn't produce any birth certificate or passport, angrily said that he doesn't even have a birth certificate. To attack anyone as a "birther" for being concerned with the integrity of the Constitutional requirement that only natural born citizens are eligible to become the POTUS misses the mark by that much.

Leave conspiracies aside. This distortion of the "truther" label doesn't address the false testimony given under oath during the 9/11 Commission hearings. That it didn't take long for the commissioners themselves to repudiate the reliability of their report raises major concerns. The entire 9/11 Commission archive was supposed to already be released on January 2, 2009 following the 2008 elections), conveniently being postponed at least until after the 2012 elections.  "We didn't want it to become a political football." [oops] We in Texas experienced a political outrage when a qualified Republican Tea Party candidate was suddenly dismissed out of hand as a "truther" for allowing others their right to skepticism. After all, it is standard procedure for authorities to CYA. No surprise, that's politics. But to allow that lying under oath in order to protect their position happened in the 9/11 commission "makes" one a "truther" to the spitwad brigade.

The National Archives' failure to release the material presents a hurdle for historians and others seeking to plumb one of the most dramatic events in modern American history. The 575 cubic feet of records were in large part the basis for the commission's public report, issued July 22, 2004. The commission, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, was established by Congress in late 2002 to investigate the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks, the pre-attack effectiveness of intelligence agencies and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the government's emergency response.The commissioners had agreed on the January 2, 2009 date for release so that the material would not come out until after the 2008 elections. "We didn't want it to become a political football," he said. In 2004 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean said publicly that he was eager for most of the records to be released as quickly as possible. In a Reuters interview last week, Kean said he was not aware until told by Reuters that only a small portion of the records have since been unsealed, and Kean saw no justification for withholding most of the unreleased material. --Reuters, Sept.8, 20011

425 Ynot... you're correct of course, the correlation to education is probably not as profound as is willful ignorance.

I just am amazed at how often I'm confronted with friends or co-workers who are all too willing to believe in the story behind the story...  there is always the cryptic, the nefarious , the ...  lizard people and the Wifi headaches...  Ugh...

426 This has to be troffer new year eve. It is the only time that they can spew and not be laughed at. Because normal people are to somber so they sneak in when the guard is down. Come 9-12 the slap of Troofers will come fast and hard.

427 Empire of Jeff@358:
"***FLASH OVERRIDE***

INCOMING TRANSMISSION FROM RONULUS PRIME...

"Jooooooos!!!"

TRANSMISSION ENDS"

I've been cracking up over this comment non-stop for the last twenty minutes.  Well done!

428 maverick muse, Blow me. You are only demanding we drop the "Truther" label so we will not be predisposed against your Truther theories. You want us to view the "evidence" without the perjorative label. You're a truther, own it.

429 and you and the Ron Paul paranoiacs can go hang. I goddamned hate the arrogant paranoids and their ignorant-ass claims to "know shit." You don't know shit. You have a sub-diagnosable streak of paranoid schizophrenia but rather than attending to your own problem you evangelize in favor of it. I don't have to validate the paranoid ramblings of a near-lunatic.

430 Based on my experiences in the wide world, including Walmart, I'd say no correlation. 

Posted by: Y-not is just asking questions at September 09, 2011 05:17 PM (5H6zj)

Same in my experience, although I do wonder how anyone with a physics degree could be a drooler truther.  I have seen one.  He had a graduate degree at that.

431 Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 05:28 PM (lpWVn)

This isn't Hot Air and this isn't your group therapy session.  But I repeat myself.

432 431 Yoshi,

heh

433 I can't stop staring at the guy's front tooth.  Nice tune, tho.

434 Had a brief discussion with a customer at the Barnes & Noble in which I'm employed. The customer - early 20s, scraggly beard, hipster wardrobe - was looking for a Texe Marrs book.

"Dude," he said. "You ever check this stuff out? Pretty eye opening."

I replied, "The trouble with conspiracy theories in general is that they invariably involve lots people, and people are idiots, and nobody knows how to keep secrets like that anyway."

He shook his head. "Man, you need to try harder."

If trying harder means plowing through the conspiracy shelf of the New Age section, then I'm happy to be incurious and lazy. I didn't say that last bit, of course, since we can only be so honest and forthright when we're on the clock and trying to take money from wide-eyed, bearded hipsters.

Some days my job is an 8-hour stretch of ethical compromise. Especially when Oprah pipes up about some new piece of crap.

435 Cameron Wood@437

How did you make it through the B&N screening process?

General comment - there are two types of Truthers - stupid and evil.

436 What makes me laugh is that the irony of the scrolling "Matrix" background is completely lost on this Truther douche.Yeah, "no reasons given", as long as you don't read any of the hundreds of pages that have been published since 9-11 debunking Truther "fact" after Truther "fact".

Hey, maybe that will just be next year's October surprise. O will just go all wikileaks and dump the secret government memos that W knew all about 9-11 in advance. Why wouldn't he want to stop covering up for the Republinazis?

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