April 22, 2011
— Ace Bear in mind, the world's first and only unlicensed freelance obstetrician is just being more insane than usual today, because Salon called him out as a deranged punk:
[Salon, being quoted:]
Sullivan's refrain on this issue is that he does not endorse any conspiracy theory, he is merely asking questions. He simply wants Palin "to debunk this for once and for all, with simple, readily available medical records." He has proposed, for example, the release of "amniocentesis results with Sarah Palin's name on them."It's worth noting that this posture is identical to the rhetoric used by Obama birthers (for instance, WorldNetDaily Birther czar Joseph Farah employs the "just asking for definitive piece of proof x" line here).
[Sullivan answering:] This is absurd. Obama has produced the most relevant, clear, unimpeachable, if humiliating, piece of empirical evidence that he is indeed a native-born US citizen. In fact, he produced it a long time ago. (I think he was right to do so, and the press was easily within bounds to ask. That's how these things should work.)
And there is a huge difference between someone asking for exactly that kind of proof, however distasteful, and someone continuing to ask for it after that proof has already been produced.
See, in Andrew Sullivan's world, Obama deserves special praise for releasing the COLB, because it is, in his words and his italicization, "humiliating." It was humiliating for Obama to have to produce a run of the mill birth certificate, necessary to produce every time you get a new job (which Obama sought), and of course required, as a minimum level of proof, as to the Constitution's age and natural-born citizenship requirements.
See, that's humiliating. Obama was humiliated having to do that.
So obviously He wouldn't have humiliated himself otherwise, except to go that extra step to appease his fiercest critics.
You know what's not humiliating, though?
The official document of birthplace, that's not humiliating, even though you hand that to a stranger who puts it on a copier machine and adds it to a permanent file every time you change jobs and fill out an I-9.
But what definitely is not humiliating, is, say, demanding that woman who you accuse of being a lying whore with the sexual metabolism of a Tribble release, get this, in Sullivan's won deranged words, "amniocentesis results with Sarah Palin's name on them."
That COLB thing, that's humiliating and invasive, but asking for someone's "amniocentesis records" with their name attached?
That's just a normal, everyday sort of routine bureaucratic transaction.
Other day I wanted to buy batteries at Radio Shack. "What's your address?" they asked, and I told them. Then they asked me "Please produce your mother's amniocentesis tests with her name on them," and of course I likewise produced those.
Sullivan can't quit while he's ahead, though, and, even though his employer has demanded he not explicitly say Palin did not give birth to her child but rather instead hint around that, he can't help himself, and does his typical silly-bitch passive-aggressive gay-gossip insinuation act:
How To Fake A PregnancyA teenager tells us how - in a school project. Seven people were in on the hoax. No one outside this seven guessed she was lying. It's remarkable what a prosthetic belly bump can do.
Apropos of nothing, I'm sure.
Be a man. If you're such a brave free-mind, then say what you believe instead of kowtowing to your employers.
Craven bootlickin' bitch.
But anyway, I'm not here to call him names. I'm here to tell you, before he catches on, that he's been
P U N K E D.
See, on the same day he's telling the world what a viable and reasonable and worthy-of-investigation theory Trig Trutherism is, he's simultaneously, between these posts, denigrating Birthers as crazy and hateful.
Shyeah, right? Heh.
But anyway, he gets tipped to someone, he says, who explains the psychological roots of Birtherism, and he links it gladly.
But you tell me -- is he being punked or not? Is it just a coincidence that this applies much more to his Trig Trutherist derangement?
The Psychological Roots Of BirtherismDavid P. Redlawsk explains it:
The reality is that “facts” are unlikely to mean much to those who believe in their gut that Obama is not American. Political psychologists call this “motivated reasoning.” It goes something like this: I dislike someone; I learn something positive that should make me feel better about him; instead, I dislike him as much or even more.
Gee, who does that apply to? Hm, Sarah Palin carried a Downs Syndrome baby to term; that should make me feel better about her, instead, I dislike her even more.
[Punking Artiste David continuing:] This is clearly irrational, but our feelings about people are complicated, and we tend to hold on to them even in the face of contradictory information. [!!!!]This is not unique to those who dislike Obama.[!!!]
I don't know how else I can possibly call attention to the words Sullivan is quoting but apparently not actually reading. Maybe he'll catch it this time.
Here's a hint, Sullivan:
Might even apply to those who dislike Palin, for example.
Get it? No? Still nothing?
We are all somewhat impervious to new information, preferring the beliefs in which we are already invested.
Shhhh. No one tell Andy. He's not in on the joke yet.
We often ignore new contradictory information, actively argue against it or discount its source, all in an effort to maintain existing evaluations.
Sullivan is still nodding along, still not getting it.
Reasoning away contradictions this way is psychologically easier than revising our feelings. In this sense, our emotions color how we perceive “facts.”
He's still not getting it. He's quoting this, and if you think he's going to argue with it, you're wrong: He agrees with it.
As far as Birthers go, mind you.
Now, finally, Sullivan answers:
They do; and it's important always to keep this in mind. But there remains something called fact, rather than "fact", and empiricism is our only real recourse in public debate.
Ah. So there are some "facts" that are stupid to challenge. We must be guided by empiricism, not fancy.
By the way, did I mention the very next post is an insistence that Trig was born of some other mother?
That's why producing a birth certificate is dispositive. It should end the discussion. I might add that merely asking a presidential candidate to produce such a certificate does not seem illegitimate to me. It may be maddening or unfair. But that's the price of public life. And the sign of a mature politician is his or her ability to see that and allow the ethic of transparency trump the humiliation of exposure. Obama easily passed this test.
And so on.
Is that not precious? He's sitting there quoting a guy telling him that when we don't like someone, our minds are gullible and start believing any old horseshit about this person (who might not even be Obama, this guy notes), and once we start believing that horseshit, we become immune to facts and new evidence and airily dismiss contrary information, because it's "psychologically easier" that way.
And Sullivan posted this right after his own "Palin faked her pregnancy" post.
Unbelievable. The stupidest, most un-self-aware jackass in the history of the internet doesn't merely beclown himself today, as usual; he beclowns himself Champion.
Sullivan, please diagram the following sentence, noting noun, verb, connecting words, and independent clauses:
AN GALLON OF IRONY SPILLED BUT NOT A DROP SPLASHED UPON HIM.
Thanks. Make sure you send that to me, and I'll send it back with corrections attached.
By The Way: I do have to admit -- Sullivan, if you're reading this (and I know you will, since you are dumb, and vain), there is one bit of evidence against Palin I can't dismiss completely.
I don't think it proves anything, but yes, I admit: This does not exactly show a pregnant Palin.
But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:33 PM (AP4BL)
You want to hear conspiracy, you shoulda watched Beck this evening. I think he's on to something.
O/T - FYI, The Hermanator will be talking to Levin in a couple minutes.
Posted by: RushBabe at April 22, 2011 04:33 PM (Ew27I)
Posted by: Arbalest at April 22, 2011 04:37 PM (UnOmj)
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:38 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 04:38 PM (+cmP9)
When we do that, Sullivan will move on to ignoring whatever the hell it is that we're doing in Libya.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 22, 2011 04:39 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Z Ryan at April 22, 2011 04:40 PM (tsC/8)
NSFW or really much of anything.
http://tinyurl.com/3mdz945
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 04:40 PM (+cmP9)
Posted by: charles' johnson at April 22, 2011 04:40 PM (l3RZ9)
Nah . . . that would be a huge step up from the AIDS dementia that has had him in its iron grip for years. And it's a little insulting to the 'ettes, if I may point that out in a non-confrontational way.
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:41 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: Chuckit at April 22, 2011 04:41 PM (G7Sno)
Posted by: bill at April 22, 2011 04:42 PM (npCoa)
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:42 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 04:42 PM (UOM48)
Ever gotten a security clearance?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 22, 2011 04:42 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: SuperMag at April 22, 2011 04:43 PM (Q8RBY)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:43 PM (AP4BL)
Better question is what kind of job doesn't require an applicant to produce a birth certificate.
btw, Obama must be humiliated then every time he has to show a form ID.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 22, 2011 04:43 PM (c0A3e)
The Psychological Roots Of Birtherism...
This birther figure the written record indicates that the Founders were cool with someone born a British citizen becoming The President - they even included conditions where this is acceptable in the Constitution.
Posted by: Druid at April 22, 2011 04:43 PM (RnujI)
And, of course, by "hail," I mean ignore the putrid, worthless, despicable, freeloading scofflaw known to the federal courts, HIV doctors, and immigration officials as Andrew Sullivan.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 04:43 PM (mAm+G)
as I've said multiple times: fk the birth certificate. I want his college transcripts. Now.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 04:44 PM (x3YFz)
Anything requiring a clearance of any kind.
All work on military bases or facilities of any kind that I ever cabled.
Most companies that do work for the government, Federal or State.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 04:44 PM (+cmP9)
Better question is what kind of job doesn't require an applicant to produce a birth certificate.
btw, Obama must be humiliated then every time he has to show a form ID.
Umm, what real jobs has he had again?
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 04:44 PM (mAm+G)
Ever joined the military?
Ever gotten a marriage license?
Security clearance?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 04:45 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:45 PM (AP4BL)
as I've said multiple times: fk the birth certificate. I want his college transcripts. Now.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 08:44 PM (x3YFz)
Yes, that right there!! I am 100% with you on this one, buddy.
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:45 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: SuperMag at April 22, 2011 08:43 PM (Q8RBY)
+1
Pretty much just ignore him like we ignore churles johanson at little green dumbasses.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 04:45 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Rabidsquirrel at April 22, 2011 04:46 PM (6A//H)
It is. And a Spanish speaker will fill out all the paperwork "correctly" for you too.
And if you have an autistic kid and say you don't speak English, the state will pay someone to fill all the paperwork out for you. You don't even have to pick up a fucking pen.
/rant off.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 04:46 PM (+cmP9)
Posted by: ace at April 22, 2011 04:47 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 08:45 PM (AP4BL)
Heh, wait'll you qualify for all those "senior" discounts. It's a mindfuck for some people. Me, I'm like the honey badger, I don't give a shit.
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:47 PM (WYL8q)
The BC is pretty much a prerequisite to obtaining any form of ID which is required for doing jut about any damn thing these days. But you know that already, don't you?
Posted by: Druid at April 22, 2011 04:47 PM (RnujI)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 22, 2011 04:47 PM (TMB3S)
Right up to the time Dubya said "No gay marriage."
And then he went insane in every direction.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 22, 2011 04:48 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan at April 22, 2011 04:49 PM (d6wkB)
Andy is a bit of a silly joke. How anyone cares about his thoughts seems insane.
Posted by: Abolish the Teacher's Union at April 22, 2011 04:49 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:49 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:50 PM (AP4BL)
Within 15 minutes of becoming president, this fucker signs an executive order hiding his entire history and all the documents that entails.
Got something to hide? Commie mfer?
If Bush had done that the liberal shitbag commie progressive socialist press would have imploded... but not for O'Commie...nope.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 04:50 PM (x3YFz)
I've held several jobs where I had to produce my US passport before they would employ me.
Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at April 22, 2011 04:51 PM (HfMQ+)
Posted by: ace
It does seem to be the only way around the "Natural Born" does it not?
Otherwise they could have left it at a sovereign decree that all in the colonies between 1774 and 1789 were qualified citizens and left out all that "natural born" qualification crap.
Posted by: Druid at April 22, 2011 04:51 PM (RnujI)
P.S. This is not about Excitable Andi
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:52 PM (WYL8q)
Nah, #21, people will still read him. Besides, it's great fun to make fun of the little sock-cucker.
Posted by: Theresa D at April 22, 2011 04:52 PM (2hQbY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 04:52 PM (UOM48)
At least Ace is doing it figuratively.
Posted by: krakatoa at April 22, 2011 04:52 PM (ri69A)
Nope. Not gonna do it.
Posted by: Andy at April 22, 2011 04:53 PM (veZ9n)
What if the receptionist at Palin's groinocologist's office typed something up that says that her boss, the doctor, performed an amniocentesis that proved the baby was hers....but refuses to proffer the actual signed report?
Shouldn't that satisfy Andy??
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 04:53 PM (AnTyA)
Some teenagers fakes a pregnancy. That proves Sarah did too? mmm sok
Posted by: Abolish the Teacher's Union at April 22, 2011 04:53 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:53 PM (AP4BL)
Posted by: dave at April 22, 2011 04:54 PM (fzU/7)
Your blog has more hits now and giving him attention is just what he wants.
His AID's meds have been fucking him up for a long time.
Let him die in peace without having to face reality, it the least we can do for him.
AoSHQ rule one, don't feed the troll, aka, idiot.
Posted by: Kemp at April 22, 2011 04:54 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at April 22, 2011 04:54 PM (v/3Zn)
Shouldn't that satisfy Andy??
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 08:53 PM (AnTyA)
I don't think anything under 12" and thick as your forearm would satisfy Andi at this point.
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:54 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at April 22, 2011 04:54 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Chuckit at April 22, 2011 08:41 PM (G7Sno)
Are you seriously that ignorant? I was going to point out about 20 different examples of when you need a birth certificate, but you're apparently so far gone I'd doubt you can even read.
Can't bother with you. You're too stupid. Try not to get hit by a bus... or... well... that whole natural selection thing is bound to catch up with you eventually.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 04:55 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Bill at April 22, 2011 04:55 PM (Cxtrc)
One small point of contention..."the world's first and only unlicensed freelance obstetrician"...?
I've been a gynoclogical hobbyist for several decades, thank you very much.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at April 22, 2011 04:55 PM (iYwUw)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:55 PM (AP4BL)
Posted by: ace at April 22, 2011 04:56 PM (nj1bB)
Within 15 minutes of becoming president, this fucker signs an executive order hiding his entire history and all the documents that entails.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 08:50 PM (x3YFz)
T9: Do you have the EO number for that?
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2011 04:57 PM (yrGif)
Posted by: ace at April 22, 2011 04:57 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 04:57 PM (AP4BL)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at April 22, 2011 08:54 PM (UOM4
You are a bad man, Andrew Breitbart, and no, we're not going to come over and play in your sandbox. We're gonna stand by our man ewok.
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 04:57 PM (WYL8q)
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2011 04:57 PM (vEVry)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 04:57 PM (UOM48)
Oh, Ace, I want to have your babies. And I'm not built that way.
An eloquent point.
Posted by: Jack at April 22, 2011 04:58 PM (kCT7A)
When I got my DoD and DoE security clearances, I had to produce a copy of my original BC. ....and Barry is CinC?
...hell...talking to my mother, she told me that she remembers she had to have a copy just so I could play Little League
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 04:58 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: bill at April 22, 2011 08:42 PM (npCoa)
Yep, here they are!
http://tinyurl.com/3el4mrf
Posted by: Kemp at April 22, 2011 04:58 PM (JpFM9)
and what pray tell gave birth to Colmes? An alien android?
Posted by: Cheri at April 22, 2011 04:58 PM (BA8k3)
Yes. And soccer and basketball.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 04:59 PM (UOM48)
Birth certificate or not - Obama is a man without a paper trail.
Former jobs? College transcripts? Medical records?
There's nothing.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 22, 2011 05:00 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: ya2daup, an iPhone iMpeded iPosting at April 22, 2011 05:01 PM (mnWvw)
Federal drug bust: check.
Use of undue influence to avoid a federal conviction: check.
Same to avoid deportation: check.
Abuse of steroids: check.
HIV-positive: check.
Advertised for unprotected sodomy: check.
Harvard-educated plagiarist: check.
Hired and edited confessed plagiarist and fraudster Stephen Glass: check.
Andrew Sullivan, we salute you: a real American British hero!
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 05:01 PM (mAm+G)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at April 22, 2011 08:54 PM (UOM4
HEH!
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at April 22, 2011 05:01 PM (8x3SC)
That made made me laugh...then I stopped.
Posted by: NfromNC at April 22, 2011 05:01 PM (kR57Q)
Takin' a flyer: They love TV, and it's the SAT-est word you can learn there. Lawyer shows.
Posted by: oblig. at April 22, 2011 05:02 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 05:02 PM (UOM48)
"Born in Kenya" is supposed to make us feel better about someone? WHY?
(I don't care where he was born, but I really want to know who Stanley Ann named as the father, because if the Obamabots ever find out the "son of an immigrant[sic]" bit he told them while soliciting their devotion, votes, and money was a total lie, that could be a whole lot of fun.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:02 PM (op4Bf)
...hell...talking to my mother, she told me that she remembers she had to have a copy just so I could play Little League
Not to mention starting Kindergarten
Posted by: Cheri at April 22, 2011 05:03 PM (BA8k3)
I don't think anything under 12" and thick as your forearm would satisfy Andi at this point.
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 08:54 PM (WYL8q)
Heh! I was going to make the comment that a gang of hairy, husky, men with diseased cocks with lots and lots of milky loads would be the only thing that could actually sastify rawmuscleglutes..
...but I didn't know what Breitbart might think of that
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 05:03 PM (AnTyA)
Lots of that is due to millions of illegals.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 05:05 PM (+cmP9)
Posted by: Cheri at April 22, 2011 05:06 PM (BA8k3)
Anyway, this is my longwinded way of saying that I think this asshole needs to go through that - he clearly wants to be in a vag (without actually being in a vag IYWIM - ick!!). Let him work out his issues in his blanky.
Oh and did I mention the girl in the episode died?
Um, yeah.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 22, 2011 05:06 PM (WKUt+)
Any job that requires an I-9? Which should be every job. (You can produce your passport as proof of citizenship, but you've already shown your birth certificate to the State Department to get one. Unless you're Barry Soetero traveling to Pahk-ee-stahn in 1979.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:06 PM (op4Bf)
Posted by: huerfano at April 22, 2011 05:07 PM (6zFxS)
Takin' a flyer: They love TV, and it's the SAT-est word you can learn there. Lawyer shows.
Posted by: oblig. at April 22, 2011 09:02 PM (xvZW9)
That's a well reasoned flyer. Thanks.
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2011 05:07 PM (vEVry)
The breast exams were always enjoyable.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 05:07 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: ya2daup, an iPhone iMpeded iPosting at April 22, 2011 09:01 PM (mnWvw)
Oh GOOD! That's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I came across it late one night and laughed my head off. I'll go dvr it. Hubby doesn't believe that it's a comedy. Ironic? Bwa ha!
Posted by: dagny at April 22, 2011 05:08 PM (Q7JJW)
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 22, 2011 05:09 PM (oNphh)
There is something really creepy with a gay man being so obsessed with Palin's son.
And her birth canal. Srsly.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 22, 2011 05:09 PM (c0A3e)
'Maybe Andi is on the rag'. they have rags for bleeding asses?
Posted by: bill at April 22, 2011 08:42 PM (npCoa)
Yep, here they are!
http://tinyurl.com/3el4mrf
Posted by: Kemp at April 22, 2011 08:58 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: momma at April 22, 2011 05:09 PM (penCf)
Masterful close, Ace, to say no more.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2011 05:10 PM (2IW5Q)
Oh GOOD! That's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I came across it late one night and laughed my head off. I'll go dvr it. Hubby doesn't believe that it's a comedy. Ironic? Bwa ha!
The South Park episode parodying that movie is one of the best shows I've seen.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 22, 2011 05:10 PM (c0A3e)
Oh, Ace, I want to have your babies. And I'm not built that way.
Me neither, Ace. But try anyway, dammit...
...and that goes for the rest of you guys too.
Posted by: Andy Sullivan at April 22, 2011 05:10 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: dagny at April 22, 2011 05:10 PM (Q7JJW)
Wonder if Barky the Wonder Precident would have been cleared?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 05:12 PM (UOM48)
Any passage of the birth canal is unsettling to him.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 05:12 PM (mAm+G)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 22, 2011 05:14 PM (IXLvN)
Posted by: ace at April 22, 2011 05:15 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at April 22, 2011 05:15 PM (MfJhi)
Posted by: dagny at April 22, 2011 05:15 PM (Q7JJW)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 05:16 PM (qIHlG)
I could care less if he is other than to wonder what type of psych drugs he'd have to take along with the other scripts.
Not a defense of his pathetic existence; just curious.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 22, 2011 05:18 PM (WKUt+)
Dr.: Okay you filthy hack this has been done.
King of the clowns: It's about time! Where is it?
Dr: It's on the back of Obama's official birth certificate. Go ask the Governor of Hawaii for it. Now fuck off. And use protection this time.
Posted by: Moron that doesn't read the comments before posting at April 22, 2011 09:17 PM (c9Ivb)
You owe me a keyboard.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 05:18 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: ace at April 22, 2011 09:15 PM (nj1bB)
As a serious side not, you sometime should write up some kind of low-key style guide.
I think you can understand how some people could have a hard time finding the line.
I don't know that I have any advice on how to fix that, but I know it's a perennial problem.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2011 05:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Beto at April 22, 2011 05:20 PM (H+LJc)
There really isn't.
He would be a really sad figure if he wasn't always aggressing on people in such a creepy, sick way.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2011 05:21 PM (bxiXv)
What if the receptionist at Palin's groinocologist's office typed something up that says that her boss, the doctor, performed an amniocentesis that proved the baby was hers....but refuses to proffer the actual signed report?
Shouldn't that satisfy Andy??
Should get her fired for violating HPPA. At least, it would if they violated the medical privacy of any Democrat.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:21 PM (op4Bf)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 05:21 PM (qIHlG)
Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2011 05:22 PM (7P7Ij)
Ace may be close to snagging Papa John's moola. Which would be awesome.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 05:22 PM (+cmP9)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 05:22 PM (QjtRJ)
Yeah, IIRC, he couldn't start the process of becoming a US citizen until either 2008 or 2009 because of his HIV positive status, (that's when the HIV immigration ban was repealed).
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 22, 2011 05:22 PM (c0A3e)
Occasionally there will be posts here about Democratic pundits going off the reservation, saying something we agree with, and criticizing their own side.
Not Colmes. You can rely on this like 14th century navigators relied on the North Star. You can count on him better than a $10,000 Swiss watch. I have watched him on television say something reasonable, realize what he had done, and then very quickly maneuver back to shill mode. He is to Democratic shills what Jim Thorpe was to athletics.
Which is depressing because he was still a better debater than Hannity.
Posted by: AD at April 22, 2011 05:22 PM (EXLhY)
But that wouldn't explain his Barry Bonds sized neck, would it? Or his most likely teeny tiny twig and berries?
That would be something else, right?
*taps finger to chin*
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 22, 2011 05:23 PM (WKUt+)
Think of what this would do for the popcorn industry.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 05:23 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Drew in MO at April 22, 2011 05:23 PM (1jEf4)
I have a question re Sullivan. Why are we importing diseased degenerates? Do we have a shortage of homegrown ones?
Deport his ass. Wear gloves while doing it, just out of prudence.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2011 05:24 PM (kMKjh)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 05:24 PM (qIHlG)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 22, 2011 05:24 PM (IXLvN)
Weren't they handing those out at the Wisconsin capitol back in February?
Posted by: Beto at April 22, 2011 05:25 PM (H+LJc)
Unfortunately, like Monty Python's Black Knight, all Sully would have to do is bleed on Todd.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 05:25 PM (mAm+G)
Well as you know, HIV/AIDS is not necessarily a death sentence anymore. More like a chronic thing like Hep C. Thank God those pharmaceutical companies said that they would make more money managing HIV than actually curing it. Sarc.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 05:26 PM (QjtRJ)
Y'all know what I mean. It's the law that made the AM station in the rural backwater where I grew up stop announcing "So-and-So is recuperating from light surgery at Whosit Hospital and welcomes cards and visitors" during the lunch news. It used to really upset my grandmother when she went to church and found out from the prayer list that someone from Ladies' Aid was in the hospital, and she didn't know to send a card.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:27 PM (op4Bf)
Evil corporations destroying the planet for fun and profit!! Oh, wait.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:27 PM (op4Bf)
Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2011 05:28 PM (7P7Ij)
"Damn, that Sullivan is a woman-hating hysterical bitch."
Now, that's not me talking, you understand. I'm just putting it out there to stimulate the discussion.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 22, 2011 05:31 PM (XIXhw)
The bright red wouldn't show up well on the tape.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 22, 2011 05:32 PM (XIXhw)
And yet they still bitch that we aren't throwing enough money at it.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 05:32 PM (+cmP9)
Posted by: The Man on the Grassy Knoll at April 22, 2011 05:32 PM (do977)
I do believe those that would be offended may a have a bigger problem with the asensitve comments about HIV.
Posted by: Broke as shit at April 22, 2011 05:32 PM (Cvmuj)
Most of the jobs I have had required me to release my college transcripts and they checked my birth certificate and I don't even get to play around with a nuclear arsenal or nothin.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 22, 2011 05:33 PM (54F2e)
Andrew Sullivan is a DOOOOOUCHE!
Douche-"a word to describe an individual who has shown themself to be very brainless in one way or another, thus comparing them to the cleansing product for vaginas."
Yes.....Andy that's you!
Posted by: Jimi at April 22, 2011 05:34 PM (JMsOK)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 05:34 PM (qIHlG)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 08:59 PM (UOM4
Wait! I didn't think a BC was needed for soccer...just a genetic test showing XX sex chromosomes
Posted by: Andy Sullivan at April 22, 2011 05:34 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: gm at April 22, 2011 05:34 PM (VhCkG)
Posted by: dagny at April 22, 2011 05:35 PM (Q7JJW)
Anything involving a microbe is gonna be an easier nut to crack than cancer.
I was reading childhood leukemia 5-year survival is at 95%. Is there more than one variety of this disease?
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 22, 2011 05:36 PM (XIXhw)
Uh, I don't automatically connect sex with bleeding. I don't play that rough.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 05:36 PM (mAm+G)
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 22, 2011 09:32 PM (c9Ivb)
TB doesn't have a big enough lobby.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2011 05:37 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: gm at April 22, 2011 09:34 PM (VhCkG)
That's because 'Average Joe' RickRoll'd ace earlier today....on a 'poem' link no less.
Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2011 05:37 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 05:37 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 22, 2011 09:32 PM (c9Ivb)
TB doesn't have a big enough lobby.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2011 09:37 PM (bxiXv)
And also you can't get AIDS by sharing a plane ride with someone who's infected.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 22, 2011 05:38 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (qIHlG)
I don't recall anything insensitive about HIV/AIDS. I believe the comments were about that he has it and that it is not necessarily a death sentence.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (QjtRJ)
I do believe those that would be offended may a have a bigger problem with the asensitve comments about HIV.
Remind me again how you catch HIV. To a good approximation, that would be a) queering off, and b) shooting up.
Dont't queer off, don't shoot up, and in 2011, you have little to worry about.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (kMKjh)
But your dentist can give it to you.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (mAm+G)
I'm just bitter. Lost Dad and a few others to CML.
Fuckin VA in Fresno basically told him to go home and make peace. Oh, and buy something nice from the gift shop, those ladies work so hard.
I know things have gotten better since 2000, but it still stings.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (+cmP9)
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 22, 2011 09:37 PM (c9Ivb)
Ummm...that'd be unsensitive.
...morons...sheesh
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:39 PM (op4Bf)
But your dentist can give it to you.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 09:39 PM (mAm+G)
Well, sure, if he's not sterilizing his equipment. But there are all kinds of things you can get in that case. Even fatal things.
In any event, there's a big gulf between a disease you can get from being in the same room with someone who's infected and a disease you get from a dentist who isn't doing his job.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 22, 2011 05:42 PM (XIXhw)
Don't blame you. Lost my brother/best friend to pancreatic cancer and all I hear about is how bad breast cancer is.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 05:44 PM (QjtRJ)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 05:45 PM (qIHlG)
Might qualify as "attempted murder" in some states, depending on circumstances.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:46 PM (op4Bf)
How do the Moron Vets come down on the subject of Agent Orange?
I'll save it for the ONT, but didn't want to forget to mention it again.
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 05:46 PM (+cmP9)
We in the Sifty family are a bit peeved that AIDS went from zero to living for 30 years in 10 years or so and leukemia is still killing folks like a muthafucker.
AIDS is a horrible thing...
...BUT!!!..
How did it get to be...how do I put this...so revered, maybe? How did it get the Worst Disease in the World title?
Posted by: beedubya at April 22, 2011 05:46 PM (AnTyA)
Yes Agent Orange was bad but it only killed soldiers so it's a wash. But can you believe that DDT kills Eagle eggs before they hatch? Thank Gaia we abolished DDT so that baby birds can live. I mean c'mon, how hard is it to kill a mosquito?
Posted by: Your typical fucking useless Liberal. at April 22, 2011 05:48 PM (QjtRJ)
Don't blame you. Lost my brother/best friend to pancreatic cancer and all I hear about is how bad breast cancer is.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 09:44 PM (QjtRJ)
Lost a friend to pancreatic cancer on Sunday. She was a brilliant artist/photographer, and put up a brave fight.
I'm with you on the breast cancer thing. I've had a lumpectomy, but heart disease has killed most of the women in my family, and is the largest killer of women in this country. Even lung cancer kills more women than breast cancer. I guess they're just not as sexy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 05:49 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 05:51 PM (AP4BL)
What's the big deal about amniocentesis certificates?
You can get them at the flea market.
Just like certificates of live birth.
Posted by: frankly at April 22, 2011 05:52 PM (ITeHU)
Posted by: sifty at April 22, 2011 05:52 PM (+cmP9)
Sorry to hear that Jane. If I'm not mistaken, Pancreatic cancer has about a 90% death rate. It is just about ranked at the top of diseases that you have no chance of surviving.
Posted by: Your typical fucking useless Liberal. at April 22, 2011 05:53 PM (QjtRJ)
Posted by: Broke as shit at April 22, 2011 05:54 PM (Cvmuj)
I'm with you on the breast cancer thing. I've had a lumpectomy, but heart disease has killed most of the women in my family, and is the largest killer of women in this country. Even lung cancer kills more women than breast cancer. I guess they're just not as sexy.
Jane, the difference is age. Heart disease typically kills women in their 80s. Breast cancer can kill women in their 40s. It's the years of lost life metric that controls.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2011 05:54 PM (kMKjh)
Posted by: USA at April 22, 2011 05:54 PM (YZISw)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2011 05:55 PM (AP4BL)
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 22, 2011 05:55 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: Peaches at April 22, 2011 05:56 PM (WYL8q)
I was wondering the other day how much money algore's bullshit have siphoned away from worthwhile charities (as in, if you send him $50, that's $50 someone else can't get).
But I figure most of the people who buy into that shit do most of their actual "charitable giving" through other people's tax dollars. And a lot of health-related charities came out in favor of Obamacare...have to be very careful with donations.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 05:57 PM (op4Bf)
You're right. I took my brother to the emergency room in the summer of '05 for intestinal pain. After 2 days, they diagnosed it as pancreatitis and he went home. He died one year later.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 05:58 PM (QjtRJ)
It should not go without mentioning that at least the Birther conspiracy theory is one of consequence - if the theory is true, Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to hold the Office of the Presidency of the United States.
If Trig Trutherism is true, what, exactly, is the consequence?
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 22, 2011 05:59 PM (W0TZi)
Not helping what? Cure cancer? Fight AIDS? Disintegrate the remaining tatters of Andrew Sullivan's reputation?
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 06:00 PM (mAm+G)
435,000 American women have heart attacks annually; 83,000 are under age 65; 35,000 are under 55. The average: 70.4.
I know once women hit 40 men don't give a shit, but still.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 22, 2011 06:00 PM (op4Bf)
435,000 American women have heart attacks annually; 83,000 are under age 65; 35,000 are under 55. The average: 70.4.
I know once women hit 40 men don't give a shit, but still.
This.
I lost a newly married cousin in the prime of her life, healthy, beautiful, to a sudden heart attack years ago. We don't have the same symptoms as men, and the medical establishment does their studies primarily on men.
That crap runs in my family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 06:04 PM (UOM48)
Helping what? Your self-esteem? Your personal crusade for PC bullshit? What is it you need help with?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 22, 2011 06:05 PM (oDMwn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 06:06 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 22, 2011 10:05 PM (mAm+G)
What the fuck are you talking about?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 22, 2011 06:08 PM (QjtRJ)
I know once women hit 40 men don't give a shit, but still.
That's like saying that once males are not bringing in a paycheck, women don't give a shit.
Are you seriously saying that heart disease is more of a problem (i.e., costs more years of life) for women than men? Please. That's ridiculous.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2011 06:08 PM (kMKjh)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 22, 2011 06:10 PM (qIHlG)
Women tend to get heart attacks later than men, so if you're one of the odd ones (like Insty's wife), you were likely to get sent home with happy pills until they developed the enzyme test. Since then, though, I think if you've actually had a heart attack they can detect it. I can't imagine how many lives that test has saved.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 22, 2011 06:12 PM (XIXhw)
Jeebus.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 06:15 PM (UOM48)
Jeebus.
And because we're all morons, and this is AoSHQ, I'm wondering what a 5k run/walk for anal cancer would be like? Theme?
I got nothin'. heh
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2011 06:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jack at April 22, 2011 06:17 PM (N5T3r)
Posted by: Jack Stuef at April 22, 2011 06:18 PM (t4J/m)
Posted by: Average Joe at April 22, 2011 06:42 PM (QQkNV)
Posted by: cleaningmygun at April 22, 2011 06:44 PM (qCNlG)
I got nothin'. heh</i>
Brown ribbon?
Posted by: Doofus at April 22, 2011 06:49 PM (5hgSJ)
I say, HIT HIM AGAIN! HARDER! KNEEL ON HIS CHEST AND SPIT IN HIS MOUTH!
GET HIM!
Posted by: Little Old Lady Who Drinks and Swears at April 22, 2011 06:55 PM (mEyVv)
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 22, 2011 06:56 PM (s5aNX)
Damn. I've never wished death on anyone, but please, won't someone just fuck Sullivan to death and spare us any more of his rantings?
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent faggot - bareback???"
Posted by: Sharkman at April 22, 2011 07:07 PM (Orc9J)
Why is it considered out-of-bounds for a state to require a candidate vying for the votes of that state's electors prove to the satisfaction of that state's legislature that the candidate meets the constitutional requirements for the presidency?
Look, I understand that the left is tired of Birtherism. I also agree that given the current political climate, trying to force Barack Obama to produce some document other than what he has already produced to prove his age and citizenship is silly and makes the GOP look bad.
But what about 2016? What's the objection to requiring that starting in that year, a candidate prove to the satisfaction of the state legislature that he:
(1) Is at least 35;
(2) Is a natural-born citizen; and
(3) Meets the residency requirement?
As long as the required evidence isn't obviously discriminatory based on a protected class (i.e., "records of births at religious hospitals will not be accepted), what could possibly be the problem?
Okay, we'll let Obama go on this one, but does anyone have a real problem with requiring proof that future presidents are eligible for the office?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 22, 2011 07:09 PM (ZWQMl)
Posted by: Killerdog at April 22, 2011 07:24 PM (FC4Df)
It is neither unimpeachable nor empirical evidence- birth records are routinely amended administratively and judicially - administratively by low level government drones who all right thinking people dismiss as over-paid hacks, judicially at the most stringent by simple majority vote by an oligarchy of nine. None of which has any bearing on the reality of the situation.
The fact of the matter is that there is not a single documented witness to Zero's birth.
Posted by: Druid at April 22, 2011 07:24 PM (RnujI)
It is out of bounds for the same reason that it is out of bounds to question the father of Christ.
Present company included.
Posted by: Druid at April 22, 2011 07:26 PM (RnujI)
Posted by: The New Gen. Patton at April 22, 2011 07:28 PM (FC4Df)
Posted by: Mr. Fucking Paul Anka at April 22, 2011 07:29 PM (Cvmuj)
How did [AIDS] get to be...how do I put this...so revered, maybe? How did it get the Worst Disease in the World title?
I think you already know, but I'll explain my theory in one word if you like:
Hollywood.
You never could do anything in the entertainment biz without running into gay men. Hairdressers, makeup artists, choreographers - and actors, too. Any place that rewards a dramatic flair will have a lot of gay men. So actors and actresses were running into gay men nonstop. And since Hollywood has always been left, gays could be more open about it - at least to the point that their orientation was an open secret among insiders. So you've got a group of liberal people with gay friends, and they don't want to see their friends die.
Now add "Hollywood values" to the mix. You know, promiscuity, drug abuse, and indulgence of every pelvic desire. As Charlie Sheen shows us, you can do a pretty good job of insulating yourself from the consequence of your vices if you have money and adoring fans. But no amount of money can prevent you from dying from AIDS - not in the 80's, at least. You can pay off the cops, pay off the ex-wife, go to rehab, but AIDS? It was a death sentence for acting like a run-of-the-mill, amoral Hollywood jackass, and previously that wasn't a capital crime. (At least that was the initial perception. Before we knew much about HIV transmission, we were scared that it could leap into the hetero population through vaginal intercourse).
So what do we have? People who are afraid for their friends and for themselves, and who have a platform to tell the world that they're afraid. Concern for AIDS by Hollywood types was motivated by self-interest, but because it's the self-interest of people who come into your living room every night, you heard about it nonstop.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 22, 2011 07:30 PM (ZWQMl)
Moochelle, Moochelle, you should give milk but all you do is stick your cold ass nose into everybody's business. Moochelle, you married a weak pencil neck cocksucker who cannot even operate an umbrella, way to go Moochelle. Dumb ass bitch.
Posted by: The New Gen. Patton at April 22, 2011 07:41 PM (FC4Df)
Follow-Up (commonly abbreviated) for ya, Ace, those folks, founders or not, did not even need to be born in the geographic region that was to become the US. Not that THAT had anything to do with that "one-time" exception which does not have an explicit start or stop "time".
The crazy might think that this radical concept of 'natural' rights & such might trump the decrees of an artificial government in the Founders' logic. Kind of like "natural law" vice the crazy made up shiite of men...
But, obviously, not.
Posted by: Druid at April 22, 2011 07:53 PM (RnujI)
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 22, 2011 07:55 PM (s5aNX)
Within 15 minutes of becoming president, this fucker signs an
executive order hiding his entire history and all the documents that
entails.
Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2011 08:50 PM (x3YFz)
I remember this. I wonder, did he do this before or after he took the oath of office the second time in order to make sure he really was sworn in as President?
If it was before, did he do it a second time to make sure all his records really are sealed?
Are his records sealed sealed?
Posted by: davidt at April 22, 2011 08:16 PM (u8VNX)
Posted by: Sarahw at April 22, 2011 09:15 PM (Z4T49)
Posted by: Sarahw at April 22, 2011 09:18 PM (Z4T49)
Posted by: scr_north at April 22, 2011 09:32 PM (6HBsT)
COLB would not be accepted to have the job I currently have, only a birth certificate.
COLB would not be accepted to obtain a state DL in the state i recently moved to, only a birth certificate.
COLB would not be accepted to get you into the military.
Point of fact, my 12 year old can photoshop a COLB just as authentic looking as obama's and is why a COLB is not accepted unless you have several other official documents establishing your identity such as a passport and/or social security card.
You got a COLB, and a classified newspaper add and nothing else to prove anything about who he says he is.
and every idiot who cries "birther" at someone who brings those points up has NEVER had a job with any sort of responsibility, and it shows.
Posted by: mr_e_m_t at April 22, 2011 09:37 PM (dkRmG)
Posted by: OxyCon at April 22, 2011 11:22 PM (eJ7Yr)
The reason they hate her so much is because she didn't kill off her baby, and she didn't buckle under and push her teenage daughter into killing hers.
Here is a public person who has done a remarkable job of living the values she espouses.
"Well her teenage daughter got pregnant!" they spit.
Yes. Her teenage daughter has a will, and a mind of her own. Did she duck her responsibilities as a parent, or tell her daughter to duck hers? "Eh, let's not do this. Just go kill it."
No. She made a commitment to be a grandmother to a daughter who is too young to be a mother.
She didn't do the easy thing. She didn't do the POWERFUL thing, the thing that doesn't require responsibility. She did the thing a FREE person does: take responsibility.
(This is what libertarians get wrong. They talk about freedom, but abortion, which is widely supported among libertarians, is about power, because it shirks responsibility for one's actions and puts the debt on someone else to pay, instead of taking responsibility for those actions. Yes, I know: a) it's not a human being; b) it's in my body. But a) I don't know what being is, can't define, measure or test it; b) so a bomb stored in a Palestinian's anus or a person carrying a bioweapon in his veins is not an issue because it's a morality-free zone...? Yes, it has the intent to kill, but then the survival rate of abortions is, what?)
Posted by: Amos at April 23, 2011 12:02 AM (gDWoG)
So let me get this straight--
Producing documentation upon request: humiliating.
Pelvic exams, photos of one's breasts and stomach painstakingly analyzed, amniocentesis tests made public, accusations of being the grandmother of one's own child, accusations of incest, being target of disgusting slimy smear campaign: not humiliating.
Gotcha.
Interesting world this Sullivan fellow lives in.
Posted by: Average Jen at April 23, 2011 01:32 AM (DBr05)
Posted by: Peaches
Loving that $4 a gallon gas? I hear rumors it will be $6 a gallon soon- and then, there's winter heating oil to buy... not to mention the cost of transporting everything.
"Fundamentally Transform America..."
"...skyrocket..."
ThanX, Duh!1...
It's a pity about Excitable Andy- he used to be a good writer and halfway decent thinker- either the AIDS medicines or the anabolic steroids seem to be scrambling what little is left of his mind.
Posted by: backhoe at April 23, 2011 02:18 AM (0bk6W)
Posted by: meep at April 23, 2011 04:03 AM (D6IZg)
Posted by: meep at April 23, 2011 04:06 AM (D6IZg)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 23, 2011 04:55 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: Kim Priestap at April 23, 2011 05:55 AM (qUn6X)
"We often ignore new contradictory information, actively argue against it or discount its source, all in an effort to maintain existing evaluations."
We could just play along and say he's right.
You're right, Sullivan. The baby was ... whatever the hell you're trying to say. You're right.
But then we have to give the same benefit to the wackos regarding the 2000 election. Gore won. So this "mess" that President Obama "inherited" from his predecessor -- he inherited it from Gore.
Posted by: FireHorse at April 23, 2011 06:22 AM (uUo97)
My husband: Oh, are rickrolls coming back into fashion now?
Me: Well, it was Ace who posted it.
My husband: So, no then?
Me: No.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at April 23, 2011 07:42 AM (ti8RF)
Some sort of cave-dwelling reptile I would imagine...
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 23, 2011 08:43 AM (26snP)
Posted by: christopher hitchens at April 23, 2011 09:01 AM (qCNlG)
I'm not endorsing any theories about his disgusting sexual habits, I'm just asking questions.
Posted by: pst314 at April 23, 2011 09:38 AM (mFPMV)
I'm just asking.
Posted by: vanderleun at April 23, 2011 10:10 AM (cswem)
Well, *yeah.* None of the founders were born "in the United States of America," which didn't exist until sometime between 1774 and 1789. They made a one-time exception for those *alive* in the US at that time.
Posted by: ace
And they had no fore-sight that someone born the son of a foreign father would try to be President some day... that, my son, is the definition of "fucking stupid".
Posted by: Denser than Thou at April 23, 2011 10:24 AM (RnujI)
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