1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

2 Yeah, I don't see how this is racial.

3 Hey:  What happened to my post: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

4 Oh.  There it is.

5 $250,000 in one day!  Hey, how does one get into this politics bizness?

6

The left will do whatever they can to smear ANY non-leftist.

Must obey!

7 I had to stop the video.. I cannot take Ann Coulter's fast paced whiny voice any more..

8 Speaking of fundraising, Toby Keith maxed out his campaign contributions to Perry (per Drudge). 

9 A SWEDISH branch of a Scandinavian lingerie chain has come under fire from some employees for having them wear tags displaying their bust circumference and bra cup size.

10 Ann must be dating a liberal, since she's so insane in love with Christie.

11 Related, re the allegations against Cain, from ABC News political blog: 

Perry refused to comment on the allegations of sexual harassment facing opponent Herman Cain.

“As a good rule of thumb until things go past allegations to a fact, I just try to leave them alone,” Perry said.

12 They are both right and wrong, not that uncomfortable.

13 Andy Levy does not like Ann Coulter and this is not the first time he's showed it.  He challenges her every time I've seen her appear on the show.  Andy is a Libertarian.  He really doesn't like conservatives much.  He does challenge liberals sometimes but has a real disdain for conservatives.  Well, he has disdain for pretty much everything, but Ann really seems to rub him the wrong way.

14 Rush was saying it was racial too. I don't get it either. Honestly, I think some people have a blind spot when it comes to this guy. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything here, because I don't know, it's just that people are bending over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to see Cain drop out of the race, so that's my bias. Anything that gets him out, I'm for it. Doesn't mean I don't like him, or think he's wrong on the issues, but I want him to drop out.

15

Yeah, I don't think this is racially based.  This is pure mudslinging against a Republican, plain and simple.

If anything, the actual sexual harassment claims may have been racially motivated.  I don't know a thing about the race of the accusers, but "everyone knows what black guys are like," right? 

And no, I'm not saying that's what happened.  Just that it's as much a possible storyline as anything else anyone's mentioned.

16

I actually it might be productive to look for racial issues with the accuser's (the 2 women)  motivations for targeting Cain.

If the interactions were as innocuous as Cain claims... and I believe him, I have issues with the fact he knew this was coming and didn't prepare, but I don't get any kind of vibe that Cain is a womanizer, anyway, if these women brought charges against Cain and he was just being friendly, were they extra sensitive because of race?

Is Politico supporting the accusations of racists against Cain?

Where is Gregory Peck when you need him?

17 I guess nobody remembers the McCain NYT smear about his supposed lobbyist mistress?  It ain't race, it's politics.

And this is supposed to have come from a fellow Republican candidate's campaign...

18

I'm trying to find the post, but ain't. A few weeks ago, didn't Ace or one of the bloggers here say it'd be fun to just start accusing everything the libs do against Cain as being racist as a fuck you?

19 I have reached the point where I don't care for either one of these two talking heads.

20 Yes, what 17, is what I was trying to say.

21 Yeah, Herman Cain gets the benefit of the doubt. A bunch of fucking lying scumfucks lower than pimps and drug pushers on a playground are trying to destroy him. Why do they get ANY credibility? Give me the proof before I even think of throwing one of our guys under the bus.

22 Coulter did seem to have a point though, the black conservatives get the clarence thomas treatment.

23 @21
Yep. 

'Hope you're feeling ok, Vic.  How's the appetite? 

24 #13 -- She's been on the Halloween show the past three years, and yeah, she is kinda hot. I believe she's a character at a big haunted house. I DVRed last night's show, as usual, and watched the opening to see if she was going to be there. Normally, she would sit on the floor in front of the table, or stand creepily behind each of the members of the panel. Surprised she was in the "leg chair". Hopefully, they'll give her actual name at some time during the show, and I can find a photo of her in normal garb, just to see if she is cute.

25 I doubt race was involved in Bullshitico's smear attempt. As Ace says, it was a reflexive action aimed at destroying anyone who dares oppose a Democrat.

It'd be awfully nice if someone on our side put in some time and effort -- as opposed to listening to crosstalk between "pundits" and using them as sole sources -- to putting some home truths about the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure out there for public consumption.

Anyone home at Clownhall? Breitbart? Michelle Malkin? Anybody?

26 When Ann drinks the kool-aid, she drinks deep. I know she has her fans but I just can't take her anymore.

27 I figure this is a proper story for the press to touch on (but little more than that), I just can't help but note the inconsistency on their part.

28 Andy Levy is kind of a dick sometimes. As far as the discussion, it's not really racist since the problem isn't that Cain is black it's that he's a Republican. Obama would get a pass on such allegations, at least until the women had been vetted until they were sore, if ever. Hell, look at John Edwards.

29 It's the PARTY card being played here, not the R.C.

30 I just can't help but note the inconsistency on their part

What do you mean?

31

I love Ann...great mind, but I think she's going too far on this.  They'd flay a white republican equally.  That said, I do think they're doing this because an independent-minded black conservative scares the s--t out of the media & the Left (but I repeat myself.) In the sense that they feel the need to make sure blacks & other minorities / victim groups stay on the ideological plantation, then yes Liberals are racist as hell.

Rush made this point yesterday. 

32 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

33 Maybe I'm just all hopped up on Halloween sugar, but I'd let that zombie bite me, IYKWIMAITTYD.

And the creature behind Andy is very cute too.

34 Yeah, I don't think this is racially based.  This is pure mudslinging against a Republican, plain and simple.

It's not racist, nor is it really "mudslinging".  We keep forgetting that Cain himself acknowledged that there were sexual harassment claims against him by two women, which were resolved by legal settlement. 

Does anyone really think this wouldn't have come out eventually, or isn't at all worthy of coverage?

These claims were made in the 90's, so it would be absurd to suggest they were politically motivated.  Perhaps the claims themselves were baseless or an innocent misunderstanding, maybe not.  We don't know.

Not every fucking thing unfavorable to a Republican is the result of an establishment / MSM / racist conspiracy.

35 I stopped watching that show months ago. Levy is out there.

36 Ann knows all about sexual harrassment from her appearances on "The View."

37 I like Ann. Also liked her dig at NRO.

38 Can I say something here?  There is a lot more foundation for this story than there was for the charges against Clarence Thomas.  It's all well and good to say that many accusations of this type are false, but I do not think that it's fair to dismiss out of hand ones that resulted in settlements.  None of the defenses raised on Cain's behalf - either by him or by his character witnesses - are that compelling. 

Maybe this matters or maybe it doesn't, but if his main qualification is his corporate leadership and he has a pattern of allegations against him (two not being a pattern yet, but it's early days on this story), then I think that's relevant.  Moreover, since this is the guy who volunteered that he would factor religion into his hiring practices - then reversed himself after doing his act of contrition to the usual Islamist apologists - I honestly have no difficulty believing that he factors gender into his employment practices as well. 

There are bad bosses out there and there are women who truly have been harassed at work. 

39 Andy Levy is the fucking man.

Nice friendly guy in person, too.

That is all.

40 Levy is always playing the pseudo Joo Yenta card. What a douche.

41

I hate Andy Levy's interactions with Coulter.  He can be the Katie Couric of Red Eye. 

Couric would be all smiles until a Republican or conservative like Bob Dole came on.  Then she would ask him whether he was in the pocket of big tobacco with her "serious face."

42 Ann makes me ill.

43 If Levy left the show no one would notice.

44 42-- happy to have that off your chest, Ron Paul fan?

45 moar gunn post

46 I believe they would have reported it if it was a white guy but would they have reported it differently? Possibly. There is a built in stereotype based on race and gender that finds it's way into how a story is reported. Serial Killer white guy? Dog bites man. Serial killer a black man? Man bites dog. I don't think in this case though the reporting would have been much different since the over riding factor was political affiliation.

47 I don't think it's accurate to say Politico wouldn't have written this story about a white Republican.

Meh. IDK. If this is *ALL* they had, some spurious vague settled matter with no juicy details, I'm not sure they would push it.

And they (Dems MFM) do have a trend going here, a black conservative, spurious weak sauce allegations of harassment from God knows when. All too familiar.

I'm not saying there is any fact to the allegations of racism, I'm saying you *could* make an argument from it and not be totally in left field.

In reality if pushing this is perpetrated by the left, then I don't think they are doing it because they are racist against blacks, not to say that they aren't racist against blacks because they are, but simply not doing this because of it. They would be doing this because they think it will work, and they think it will work because they believe we continue to believe a tired stereotype about black men.

In short, it wouldn't be an indication of their very real racist beliefs, but evidence of how little they think of the us the Republican base. When they say we are ignorant racists, they do believe it, so why wouldn't this work in their mind?

48 'Hope you're feeling ok, Vic.  How's the appetite?

Feeling Ok. The side effects from the chemo are starting to mount though. I still have the cold sensitivity "tingles" in my fingers when handling cold stuff. It is supposed to go away after 2 or 3 days from the session.

Appetite is good. I have the opposite problem. Want to eat all the time.

49 If Cain's explanation of the seeming innocence of the actions that were reported by the women are true, then one has to wonder about the race of the women involved and THEIR racism. IOW, if the women are not themselves black, then is it possible that they filed complaints about actions by Cain that they would have ignored if he were white?

50 Where is the racially-charged language in the reporting of this?  Honestly, if there has been some, I missed it.  We don't know the ages or races of the complainants and there haven't been any stereotypical black man things that I've seen (a la a 'jungle fever' sort of thing). 

51 Could it be... both Rush and Ann are parroting the outlandish racial claim if only to completely show how baseless racial claims from the left for everything can and should be warranted from the right?

I agree this is typical Democrat mudslinging at Cain, ( or Romney ), but the attack is partisan..  but that has NEVER stopped the libtards from claiming race first and working back from there.

Yes it's hyperbole if I'm right in my hunch, but instructive .  And I agree Levy doesn't care for conservatives much on the show... always feels the need to call them out or point out any hypocritical thing he think he's seen or heard.

52 >>Appetite is good. I have the opposite problem. Want to eat all the time.

Then do it, my friend!  Food is fuel!  :-) 

53

Not every fucking thing unfavorable to a Republican is the result of an establishment / MSM / racist conspiracy.

Perhaps not, but that's my Default setting until proven otherwise.

54 I'd like to know on what fucking planet people are living when filed sexual harassment charges against a frontrunning presidential candidate are NOT news, and only partisan liberal media bias can account for how such obviously non-newsworthy information finds it way into print. Crying wolf... not a good idea. Look, if you want to say "I don't believe these charges, I think he's a good man, and in any event I'm not backing off my support of him over this" then just say so. Don't try to make up some nonsensical reason. Just go with the real one. This IS a story. How big of a story is in the eye of the beholder (and depends on how it unfolds), but it's absurd to claim that a well-functioning, non-biased media would NOT have printed this kind of story. If you see the media covering up for liberal Democrats -- and of course they do -- that's the actual problem, failing to report such things. Herman Cain has confirmed what Politico reported. And no, they didn't report the charges were true (they have no idea) or that you shouldn't support him for president (that's not a fact you can "report"). What they reported was that he was accused twice of sexual harassment in the 90s. This is true, and confirmed.

55 Relax guys. I was just getting the sexual tension between Ann and myself revved up. She was quite the tiger with me in the Green Room five minutes after the show ended.

56 >>>It's not racist, nor is it really "mudslinging".  We keep forgetting that Cain himself acknowledged that there were sexual harassment claims against him by two women, which were resolved by legal settlement. 

>>>Does anyone really think this wouldn't have come out eventually, or isn't at all worthy of coverage?

>>>These claims were made in the 90's, so it would be absurd to suggest they were politically motivated.  Perhaps the claims themselves were baseless or an innocent misunderstanding, maybe not.  We don't know.

>>>Not every fucking thing unfavorable to a Republican is the result of an establishment / MSM / racist conspiracy.

Reposted in full because it deserves to be repeated and emphasized.  Hey there, Cain fans: is there a single one of you willing to pretend that this is somehow NOT news?  A leading Presidential candidate has documented payoffs to multiple women in his past for sexual harrassment claims, and it's "mudslinging" and "racist" to report that?  This isn't a case of a random woman coming forward with unconfirmed allegations -- there was a documented payoff at the time.  Maybe they were BS charges, but that's for Cain to argue, not the media to simply decide to not report.

57 Ehh...

There was, consciously acknowledged or not, a list of reasons for deploying this particular "Think 'bad penis' about this man" story—a story that, as actually released, was of unpublishable quasi-non-story vagueness—and "Dude's black" is on that list.

It's possibly below "Dude's a Republican" and "'Baggers love him" and "He's a Jesus guy," but it's there.

Because, really, it's on the list of reasons why the intended audience would accept a "Think 'bad penis'" quasi-non-story about Cain, and put it to its intended use. Thomas is the obvious precedent, isn't he? And...why? Why him, too? Little of this, little of that, little "Dude's black."

The audience (picture them) wouldn't accept (or at least not properly use) the exact same story about Romney, would they? He's not right for the part, is he? They kinda would about Perry or Gingrich (because they're a certain kind of men, y'know?), but not really.

They wouldn't about any Democrat, except...whoever the black-Democrat equivalent of Joe Lieberman is (if there is one). And maybe Jim Webb, if they're mad at him again this week.

See what I'm getting at?

Coulter indeed doesn't get it, because she's about talkin' shit, not about getting things. And this is kind of a hard one.

(Penis.)

58 Then do it, my friend!  Food is fuel!  :-)

LOL, I lost down to 170 pounds while in the hospital. Would like to keep it down.

59 #52 -- I think the racism Ann, Rush and others are talking about is the old, racist stereotype that black men are sexual predators.

60 By the way, FlaviusJuliusCaesar, since you're proud to post that in a comment, any problem with me main-posting it and attributing it to you and/or "Ron Paul"?

61 Oy vehy.

62 I think Coulter knows it's not racist but she's just giving them a dose of their own medicine.  They've been claiming racism for the past three years.  Why not throw it back at them?  You want us to be fair while they throw dirt?

63 It's racism to talk about the business/management record of a guy who is running based mainly on his business/management record?

Yeah, if I wanted to run that crap, I'd be a Democrat.

64 I thought the only racial angle to this is

-if Fox News or even Hillaries campaign had ran story this flimsy against Obama the left would call it race agitating (they would know) e.g. "white women scared of black men"

-The left is desperate to keep the lie that republicans are racists and must maintain a 80% of the black vote or they cease to be a competitive national party.

So those are the two race related parts of this story,  I don't think Cains' race motivated politico but then they have engaged in a lot of pure slander against us sooo. 

65 62 By the way, FlaviusJuliusCaesar, since you're proud to post that in a comment, any problem with me main-posting it and attributing it to you and/or "Ron Paul"?

Posted by: ace at November 01, 2011 04:40 PM (nj1bB)

He'd probably rather have you post his mormon bigotry.

66 37 I stopped watching that show months ago. Levy is out there.
___________

Only reason I stopped watching is that I can't tolerate The Five. Without Beck to fire me up, I've usually dozed off by the time TV's Andy Levy does the pregame show.

67 Don't know what you mean. Just Fing around with Ron Paul.

68

Why isn't it okay to pretend we think it's racially motivated? Are we going to rise above that? Why?

You want to know something? That's the way it'll look to a lot of black people.

69 They sure tried to extinguish the hostile workplace allegations coming out of the White House.

70 In case it wasn't clear, I assumed Coulter and Rush are trying to reverse Alynski them.   That doesn't work if you all don't get on board.

71 How quickly we forget.  Remember the "racist rock"???  Yes, they would put it out about a white Republican. 

72 >>>There was, consciously acknowledged or not, a list of reasons for deploying this particular "Think 'bad penis' about this man" story—a story that, as actually released, was of unpublishable quasi-non-story vagueness—and "Dude's black" is on that list.

Are you crazy?  What was "unpublishable" about this story as it stood?  Please, answer that question in a way that doesn't make you sound ridiculously partisan.  Say what you will about Politico, but they thoroughly reported out the story, investigated every angle, made no insinuations as to the truth or falsity of the harrassment claims, even examined the actual settlement documents, and gave Cain 10 days of lead time to respond, which he frittered away.  That last part is FAR more than any candidate who was truly the victim of a "dirty" hit would ever get, and if anything speaks to the fact that Politico was really going out of their way to cover their ass on this.

If you have a problem with the story as reported, it's because you have a problem with the "bad facts."  But you can't wish facts away.  And the argument that it's somehow not newsworthy is nutty.  The leading GOP candidate in the 2012 Presidential race was found to have made previously undisclosed payouts to multiple women to settle sexual harassment claims in the past.  Seriously, just read that previous sentence again and then try to claim that it's not majorly newsworthy without laughing.

73 I just wish Fox would take The Five off and move Megyn Kelly to the 5 pm slot.

74 >>>By the way, FlaviusJuliusCaesar, since you're proud to post that in a comment, any problem with me main-posting it and attributing it to you and/or "Ron Paul"?

You are aware that in other threads this guy constantly talks about how Mormons are "Utah jihadis" and that they should be put into concentration camps and killed, right?  And that he's made it clear that he's not 'kidding around' -- he really, really hates Mormons?

75 75 I just wish Fox would take The Five off and move Megyn Kelly to the 5 pm slot.
You almost made me choke on the shrimp I was eating.

76 There is no way Cain can be guilty of harassment. Over the course of the several debates and news show performances during this campaign cycle, he has shown no signs of gropery, indecent exposure or suggestive finger-going-in-hole motions. Straight up racism.

77 Ya see what happens when they wander off the plantation? Get all sexy-crazed for some white woman! Better to keep them here, where we cans watch them.

78 ROK provincial government proudly defines typical Japanese.

racist?

79

Y-Not, there was a genuine fear of the black man as over sexed. The idea many of the racists had back in the day was that the black man was dangerous around women especially white women. Hell, To Kill a Mockingbird was based on that idea. Here the left is making that old tired idea resurface hoping that it's subliminally present. They are hoping here for the reaction they thought they were going to get from the right when they gleefully exposed Dick Cheney's daughter to be a lesbian. Then already think the right is a bunch of racists (they, of course, are the real racists) and that reminding the right of the sexual predatory nature of the black man will float all that old fear to the surface. Hell they would love to reignite a full out race war. They figure if they play it right Bull Conner will rise from the dead and speak at the republican convention.

What makes this funny is that no one under the age of 45 gets it and those over 45 have to either be well read or from an area that whispered this kind of thing as late as the 60s. It's shocking to me that they remember so well that stereotype.

80 75 I just wish Fox would take The Five off and move Megyn Kelly to the 5 pm slot.
  And take away my daily Andrea Tantaros leg chair fix?

81 64 I think Coulter knows it's not racist but she's just giving them a dose of their own medicine.  They've been claiming racism for the past three years.  Why not throw it back at them?  You want us to be fair while they throw dirt?

A-frigging-MEN. WTF is wrong with just a little gamesmanship here? Why all this beta-esque hand-wringing? What's the downside to pushing Ann's take on it?

82 This reminds me of Police Squad. "There you were, on top of the Queen, *and they call that NEWS!!!" Something isn't non-newsworthy simply because it's inconvenient or harmful. A professor one had this law joke. Some testimony can be stricken from the record at trial for being UNDULY prejudicial. Stuff like past crimes, which is believed to be *overly* suggestive of guilt in the current matter, out of proportion to its actual probative value. Anyway, the correct objection is "undue predjudice" or "unduly prejudicial," but everyone clips that into "prejudicial." So, this professor was once a judge, and he said he used to correct lawyers when they said "Objection, prejudicial." He would say, "OF COURSE it's prejudicial, that's what makes it relevant. All evidence is prejudicial. You mean to say 'unduly prejudicial,' but it's not. Overruled." Anyway, I think people need to observe the distinction between "prejudicial" and "out of bounds" or inadmissible. This is prejudicial against Cain. Of course it is. *that's what makes it a story in the first place.*

83 >>>You are aware that in other threads this guy constantly talks about how Mormons are "Utah jihadis" and that they should be put into concentration camps and killed, right? And that he's made it clear that he's not 'kidding around' -- he really, really hates Mormons? I didn't know that was him. Bannerated.

84 Not at all uncomfortable. Levy doesn't accept the difference between using the "race card" when it's true (Cain) as opposed to when it's a delusion (Obama).

85 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

86 So, this professor was once a judge, and he said he used to correct lawyers when they said "Objection, prejudicial." He would say, "OF COURSE it's prejudicial, that's what makes it relevant. All evidence is prejudicial. You mean to say 'unduly prejudicial,' but it's not. Overruled."

Sounds like a tedious asshole to me.

87 What's the downside to pushing Ann's take on it?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 01, 2011 04:52 PM (fjoLg)

She's got to be able to deliver the punch line at the right moment to make her point or it's simply lowering the bar.  I'm not sure Coulter has the timing.

88

Say what you will about Politico, but they thoroughly reported out the story, investigated every angle, made no insinuations as to the truth or falsity of the harrassment claims, even examined the actual settlement documents, and gave Cain 10 days of lead time to respond, which he frittered away. 

No, they did not give Cain 10 days. It's being reported like that but they WORKED ON IT FOR 10 DAYS not that Cain had 10 days to respond. Also, maybe if they were good reporters THEY WOULD HAVE INTERVIEWED SOMEONE WHO HAD WORKED FOR HIM OTHER THAN THE ACCUSERS.

They could have, you know, asked the other bazillion women he has worked with if he was that type? Every angle? Hardly.

This was a typical liberal msm hit piece on a republican. While they were suggesting he had different answers in the same day they never suggested that he got new information just that he lied. If it were Obama they would have been falling all over themselves saying he had new info, he had spoken to someone, he was briefed, etc. They wouldn't have suggested he lied because he had more information.

89

I've tuned Coulter out for years now, ever since I read her book, Treason, where she accused General George Marshall, one of the greatest American patriots of the 20th Century, of being a communist sympathizer. She made the accusation against General Marshall because the book was essentially a defense of Senator Joe McCarthy. In order to refurbish McCarthy's reputation, she had to somehow validate, rationalize, and justify McCarthy's last and most infamous accusation, the accusation that completely destroyed McCarthy's credibility (and made any subsequent attack on real communist subversives seem like witch-hunting persecution).

Coulter's attempt to murder the memory of a great man won't be forgotten, not by me. She's a hack. Everything she writes or says is suspect.

90 I thought a "Utah Jihadi" was just a Mormon trying to collect 72 virgins without having to be martyred first.

91 #75 -- I just wish Fox would take The Five off and move Megyn Kelly to the 5 pm slot. Fox News recently announced that The Five has been picked-up as permanent replacement for Beck. It's handily beating its competition in the ratings, though not as well as Beck at his prime, but I don't think advertisers are boycotting it as they did Beck's show. I don't watch it every day, but I watch it more often then I watched Beck, especially in his final 10 months.

92 Well, this is all conclusion-first reasoning. We start off with the proposition that the media shouldn't have reported this -- for no better reason than we don't like the substance of the report -- then work backwards, trying to come up with some premise that will justify that already-decided conclusion. So, bias, racism... Look, it's a story. I don't know how the hell someone can claim Edwards' affair WAS a story but this one is not.

93 Remember a few years ago, I think it was a CPAC, Coulter kindasorta called John Edwards a faggot, and that was the only story for a while? At that point, I decided I was done with her. She's said some good stuff since then, but it sure seems likes she's in this for her bank account's sake, not because of a greater conservative cause or movement. Not that I blame her- I love money and wish I had more of it, but no one's perfect.

94

What makes this funny is that no one under the age of 45 gets it and those over 45 have to either be well read or from an area that whispered this kind of thing as late as the 60s. It's shocking to me that they remember so well that stereotype.

Posted by: dagny at November 01, 2011 04:51 PM (vtYT6)

They don't.  It was beaten into their heads during those classes that they took to satisfy their major which is the reason they're unemployed and occupying Wall Street.

95

 They are hoping here for the reaction they thought they were going to get from the right when they gleefully exposed Dick Cheney's daughter to be a lesbian.

There's something to this, but it would have been reported anyway. They probably think we're hiding our women even now and Googling "noose knot", but they'd run this piece on any conservative.

We're asking a good question and getting no answers: Why not just go with the racism charge? What do we have to lose? Do we not defend black candidates from (what are to me) trivial crap like this?

Isn't it good politics to be "just asking questions" about possible racism? Doesn't the "seriousness of the charge" demand questions being asked? Are there any black votes to pick up?

We could use some.

96 Andy Levy is a liberal

97 Oh please, poor Herman Cain is being picked on by the MSM?  You know what, if I were runnng for President, and had a sexual harrassment claim that was filed against me in the 90s, I sure would remember the details, and I'd have my people working on the way to get the info out there before my enemies in the press had the chance to do it for me.  Of course, that's assuming I was serious about actually winnng my party's nomination, which Herman Cain isn't. 

98 An unidentified source from Politico says that Romney has sex with farm animals.

99 75 I just wish Fox would take The Five off and move Megyn Kelly to the 5 pm slot.
  Ok, seriously now. Everyone turn on "The Five" right now, and check out Andrea Tantaros.   She looks like she is the same height as Herman Cain's wife to me........ if you get my drift.

100 >>>No, they did not give Cain 10 days. It's being reported like that but they WORKED ON IT FOR 10 DAYS not that Cain had 10 days to respond.

I believe you are mistaken about the facts here.  Cain's campaign has already acknowledged that Politico contacted them for comment on this story over a week ago and they blew it off at the time.

101 99 Andy Levy is a liberal

Posted by: gride at November 01, 2011 05:00 PM (QxQym)

No, but I think he doesn't "get" the humor here.  If you go with Ann's premise, then it gets funny as you ratchet up the accusations of racism.  Throw in a few niggardlys and it's an example of absurdity.  Levy doesn't like being the straightman with anybody but Bill and Greg.

102 She's got to be able to deliver the punch line at the right moment to make her point or it's simply lowering the bar.  I'm not sure Coulter has the timing.

Not sure what you mean, precisely, but I do agree that the charge has to be presented in the proper light, i.e. throwing the Left's own "principle" back at them, and not as a whiny claim to a "Get out of Jail Free" card.

But this idea of "lowering the bar"? Well, the aggressor establishes the mode of conflict, so you must match it if you want to win. As is often said here, "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight."

103 >>> Why not just go with the racism charge? What do we have to lose? Self-respect.

104 I love Coulter but yeah, I don't think it would have made a difference if he were white. There are so many other racially charged attacks against Cain, start pointing those out.

105 The only way this hurts Herman Cain is if his campaign leaked this to Politico for the free publicity/name recognition.

106 A lot of people seem to subscribe to the "Throw any old shit at the wall and see what sticks" theory. I think that your intended audience -- the broader public -- is not so terribly stupid as to not realize when that's going on . And I think most people, when they realize someone is just throwing shit at the wall, making stuff up on the fly, resorting to weak-as-shit arguments and emotionally hysteric claims, do what I do: Stop listening and put a great big red "X" by that person's name, to discount/dismiss all future arguments from such a shrill, silly waste-of-my-time sort of person. You know how you get good in chess? Always assume your opponent is better than you and assume he will make his BEST possible move, not his worst. Same in politics. Everyone please stop assuming everyone else is fucking stupid and we can peddle them whatever silly shit we can think of because they're just retards anyway and have absolutely no powers of discernment or judgment whatsoever.

107 Breaking News : Herman Cain only eats the whites out of Oreos.....developing

108

Self-respect.

After yesterday's throwdown, who has any left?

Here's a nice cat.

109 >>>Andy Levy is a liberal

So I guess everyone who doesn't want to buy into bullshit race-card victimology is now a liberal?  Levy is the farthest thing imaginable from a liberal -- he's a libertarian-leaning conservative who doesn't play "my team right or wrong" games -- and anyone who's ever watched Red Eye for more than two episodes would know that.

110

61

Exactly.  I'm not sure because I haven't been paying attention to Rush since he went all anti-Romney and I only like Ann occasionally...  at any rate.  I'm glad she's with Romney, but I can only take so much of her.

If there is anything racist it would be that stereotype. That may be too subtle for Rush and Coulter.  But they did hit on something they may not even be aware of.

Gregory Peck was the lawyer in to Kill a Mockingbird, defending a black man against the charge of rape.

This is not an old stereotype that people have forgotten.  My two girls still at home have both had to read the book for English.  The older one twice.

 

 

 

111 101 An unidentified source from Politico says that Romney has sex with farm animals.

Posted by: Just Want To Hear Him Deny It at November 01, 2011 05:02 PM (W30Tb)

That's not how to do it.  Here's how to do it.

BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports have been obtained by Ace of Spades, Inc. LLC that JONATHAN MARTIN of POLITICO is being accused by local petting zoo officials of "unnatural" "acts" with a goat.  The sources say that although the acts were not overtly sexual in nature, the goat is reported to be skittish every time he sees a person standing nearby with a notepad.  Ace of Spades, Inc. LLC will have developments as they emerge but there has been no comment yet from POLITICO.

And then, you write a dozen stories about Politico's (non-)reaction to the story.

112 Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 01, 2011 05:04 PM (fjoLg)

Use a gun, but don't shoot in the back.

113 106 >>> Why not just go with the racism charge? What do we have to lose?

Self-respect.

Ace, I hear you, but I wouldn't have any self-respect if I felt I was pulling any punches in this fight. If Obama is re-elected, I would find no comfort in the thought, "Well, at least I didn't stoop to their level."

114

I don't have a problem with the media report this as it was apparently true.  I'm sure they wanted to find a bigger scandal, or give the impression of one, but what was reported wasn't created out of thin air.  That's not to say that the MFM won't blantently lie whenever they can.

Also, Ann Coulter has a total shrew thing going on.  Is it true that she dated Bill Maher?  If so, that tells me all I need to know about her.  I don't think she's who she want people to beleive she is, but plays a part just to sell books.

Andy Levi can be a little too smug and smartass sometimes.  I don't like the know-it-all presence that he puts out on the show.  But I maybe that's his persona.  I don't know what he's like outside of Red Eye.

115 106 >>> Why not just go with the racism charge? What do we have to lose?

Self-respect.

Posted by: ace at November 01, 2011 05:05 PM (nj1bB)

It's Coulter.  Polemicism is what she does.  If you want respectability, go to Krauthammer.  Coulter is Bad Cop.  We need a Bad Cop.

And she's leagues better than their polemicists. *cough*Bob Beckel*cough*

At least she'll try to defend her point, rather than shouting and interrupting.

116

From personal experience, Coulter looks rough these days.

I mean physically so. She was at a starbucks in Rancho last week.

117
Use a gun, but don't shoot in the back.

I agree. Fight a "good, clean dirty fight", i.e., use the necessary tactics but use them honorably.

Calling the Left on its own BS is perfectly honorable. As I have said, this is the basis upon which I support this gambit.

118 Rush and Ann Coulter are both very smart people who know what they're doing, though I agree with them on literally nothing. Is it totally out of line to suggest that Rush Limbaugh is primarily in the Rush Limbaugh business, and Ann Coulter is primarily in the Ann Coulter business? To say what they said about this whole thing is good for business. Everyone's talking about them. How it impacts the primary, Cain, other candidates, the GOP, the Democrats, even the facts of the case: all secondary.

119 120

From personal experience, Coulter looks rough these days.

I mean physically so. She was at a starbucks in Rancho last week.

Posted by: C A C at November 01, 2011 05:13 PM (EEcIq)

She is almost 50. (Like, a month shy of 50.)

120

I believe you are mistaken about the facts here.  Cain's campaign has already acknowledged that Politico contacted them for comment on this story over a week ago and they blew it off at the time.

Chris Plante WMAL talk guy. Best host out there said the "Cain had 10 days" meme was wrong.

121

Second, it will not have the impact you want.....you are not going to peel away any African American voters by launching a lame "its racism" against Herman Cain charge.

This is just argument by assertion.

I don't know that you have to scream "Racism!" to get the point across. Because I personally think the charges are petty, it might be politic to stand with My Man Herman. (He's not my man.) Sure, it's laughable to claim it would not have been reported if he were not black, but you could say that the hysteria about decades old workplace bullshit is racially motivated.

I'm thinking out loud, but not talking myself out of thinking this is a fair idea. Of course, I have no self-respect and no reputation to lose, either.

122 She was at a starbucks in Rancho [Cucamonga] last week.

And she wouldn't take my "Anaheim and Azusa" bait on Twitter. Guess she's not a Jack Benny fan.

123 120

From personal experience, Coulter looks rough these days.

I mean physically so. She was at a starbucks in Rancho last week.

 

Maybe it was her ghost, CAC.

124 Is it totally out of line to suggest that Rush Limbaugh is primarily in the Rush Limbaugh business, and Ann Coulter is primarily in the Ann Coulter business?

Yes and no.  They have a niche that they exploit, but as Rush has said, he'd make a lot more money as a liberal.

Look at Mark Steyn.  Steyn is so insanely talented that if he decided to be a liberal, he'd win Pulitzers every other year and be the top columnist at the NYT.

To say what they said about this whole thing is good for business. Everyone's talking about them.

Meh.  We are.  They have limited reach.

125 117 106 >>> Why not just go with the racism charge? What do we have to lose?

Self-respect.

Ace, I hear you, but I wouldn't have any self-respect if I felt I was pulling any punches in this fight. If Obama is re-elected, I would find no comfort in the thought, "Well, at least I didn't stoop to their level."

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 01, 2011 05:10 PM (fjoLg)

I'm partial to the truth. It is racist. They would have reported it about the white guy but maybe not with NO EVIDENCE AT ALL.

Don't you find the lack of evidence a little racist. Like we should just believe it of Cain? Believe he's like Jesse Jackson Marion Berry Bill Clinton without thinking twice?

126 >>>Rush and Ann Coulter are both very smart people who know what they're doing, though I agree with them on literally nothing. Is it totally out of line to suggest that Rush Limbaugh is primarily in the Rush Limbaugh business, and Ann Coulter is primarily in the Ann Coulter business? To say what they said about this whole thing is good for business. Everyone's talking about them.

I really hate that I agree (once again) with the Liberal AosHQ Reader, but there you have it.  I've always thought this, more or less.  I don't think it's ENTIRELY true at all -- there's no question that both are genuinely conservative, it's not like they're playacting the way I've always been convinced Michael Savage is -- but it's hard to shake the fact that Rush Limbaugh never, ever, ever tells his audience anything other than what they want to hear.  I listen to him extremely frequently, and not once have I heard him attempt to challenge the views of his listeners.

Actually, I give Coulter more credit than Limbaugh on that score: she's actually gone out on a limb (and hurt herself among a certain segment of her originally purely TrueCon base) by full-throatedly endorsing groups like GOProud and guys like Christie.  Truth be told, I've come around on Coulter a bit: I used to loathe her as a self-promoting bomb-thrower, but I kind of like her as a canny controversialist nowadays. 

She's just completely wrong on this one, is all.

127 This IS a story. How big of a story is in the eye of the beholder

Hey all I'm saying is I would have expected the MFM investigate this until they had something juicier than vague accusations that were settled out of court. Sure it IS a story, that deserves a closer look and more investigation, but by itself is a whole lot of meh and so what.

128 Jeff B, if you don't stop agreeing with me you're gonna get a questionable reputation around here. Oh, wait... :-)

129 but it's hard to shake the fact that Rush Limbaugh never, ever, ever tells his audience anything other than what they want to hear.

Dubai Ports World.

130 I'm glad the media got all over this as fast as they did with John Edwards' Baby Daddy story.

131 >>>Chris Plante WMAL talk guy. Best host out there said the "Cain had 10 days" meme was wrong.

Dagny: you and Chris Plante (who I listen to on the way to work on occasion) are 100% wrong.  From Politico's original story:

"In a series of comments over the past 10 days, Cain and his campaign repeatedly declined to respond directly about whether he ever faced allegations of sexual harassment at the restaurant association. They have also declined to address questions about specific reporting confirming that there were financial settlements in two cases in which women leveled complaints."

http://tinyurl.com/6aa6kcv

132

Oh, come on!  I have scandals in my past!  Why won't someone do some lame hitjob on me that I can refute?

Won't someone acknowledge that I exist?

133 >>>Dubai Ports World.

Refresh my memory on this one?  What did Limbaugh say?  (God, the controversy is so old I barely remember anything about it.)

134 " I don't think it's accurate to say Politico wouldn't have written this story about a white Republican." Nobody in the press wanted to listen to allegations about Clinton until a dress with spooge on it actually turned up. Nobody wanted to listen to Wiener being in trouble until the pic surfaced and someone looked into it. Sure they might have talked about this with a white REPUBLICAN but I sure don't hear them going after Newt about what went on in the 90's or anything right now.

135 Of course it's raaaaacist.  Politico would never have run the story about a half-white candidate like Obama.

136 128 >>Yes and no. They have a niche that they exploit, but as Rush has said, he'd make a lot more money as a liberal.<< He's already the highest paid personality in politics, bar none. He makes even more than Letterman, doesn't he? So he says that, but I'm not sure it's true. He'd have to be George Clooney to do better. >>Look at Mark Steyn. Steyn is so insanely talented that if he decided to be a liberal, he'd win Pulitzers every other year and be the top columnist at the NYT.<< You're describing Krugman in terms of his current career. I'm sure the Krugman business is OK, but you have to wonder if he's ever seen Limbaugh's numbers and go, "Jeez, maybe if I..." Steyn's a great writer craft-wise, but he walks the smarmy line sometimes. Almost like a conservative Maher. Not *everyone* likes that.

137 Tricia's comment at the end of the earlier Cain thread, reposted without comment:

>>>BIG problem: This isn't just it. Just now on Fox at bottom of screen:

>>>Lawyer: Woman wants to give her side of the story.

138 Re: Dubai Ports and Limbaugh, Though a lot of conservatives were against it, he argued in favor on his show.

139 >>>but as Rush has said, he'd make a lot more money as a liberal.

He's wrong about that.  There's a market for conservative talk radio, because conservatives (rightfully) feel like they are disenfranchised by the MSM.  There is no similar widespread market for liberal talk radio, no matter how good the host, because despite what liberals claim ("ZOMG THE MEDIA IS CORPORATE CONSERVATIVE!!") their needs are being met by mainstream print and TV journalism.

There just isn't any money in liberal talk radio.  There's so much of it in conservative talk radio that it's made a fortune not only for Rush Limbaugh, but for Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and a score of others.

140 Only Dagny and few others have gotten this right so far - Dagny said it better than I ever could.  1. Racist meme about black men unable to control their urges and 2. The fact that the story was printed at all with essentially no evidence at all.  Both of these facts suggest base racism on the part of Politico.  Ann Coulter was simply pointing this out - nothing more, nothing less.  Is Ann Coulter right?  Why Yes, Yes she is.

Ace needs to remember that there is one important difference between conservatives and liberals.  Conservatives think and reason with logic.  Liberals....well, they don't.

141 >>>Ace needs to remember that there is one important difference between conservatives and liberals.  Conservatives think and reason with logic.

Not on the evidence displayed in several of these threads so far. 

Or on the basis of Cain's poll numbers in the first place, for that matter.

142 Coulter has a sincere side when she talks about her Dad you can see the real her.  We need her because she short circuits leftist minds who know nothing but talking points.

I like when Rush and Ann do their thing.  Its not my brand but there are people like that format.   The family guy crowd isnt the same as the NPR crowd but they all get the same basic talking points from their preferred genre/media medium.  Diversity of genre/med medium is one of the largest conservative failings today.  Red eye is one of the few to expand into conservative entertainment.  We need more like that some less.

After a big game some people want to hear the coachs insights, some the players feelings, others the cheerleaders to escalate their emotions, others a fair unbiased commentator.  If you want more people on your side, you have to cater to more peoples interests.  Its not what you want.... its the consumer.  (Joe Dirt)

143 some=not sorry my fingers are freezing and my typing to worse then usualls.

144 Coulter needs more caffeine.

145 ALERT:  http://tinyurl.com/66fveg7

Washington Post: Cain accuser wants to talk but is barred by agreement.

>>>One of the women who accused GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment wants to tell her side of the story but is barred by a confidentiality agreement, her attorney in Washington said Tuesday.

>>>Lawyer Joel P. Bennett called on the National Restaurant Association, where the woman and Cain worked in the late 1990s, to release the woman from her written promise not to talk about the allegations or disparage the trade group.

>>>“It is just frustrating that Herman Cain is going around bad-mouthing the two complainants, and my client is blocked by a confidentiality agreement,” Bennett said. “The National Restaurant Association ought to release them and allow them to respond.”

146 >>>. The fact that the story was printed at all with essentially no evidence at all. There's not a lot of "reason and logic" on display. The accusations themselves ARE newsworthy. I know you're doing conclusion-first reasoning and want to believe they're not, but they are. You seem to be claiming that Politico has to collect all the evidence to prove the matter of the claim before printing the accusation. Wrong. The accusation itself, the fact that it was filed against him, is a story in and of itself. If you're claiming that, were you running a newspaer, you wouldn't run that story -- about the accusation itself -- against a liberal, you're either lying to yourself or you are employing some bizarre standard of newsworthiness you'll have to explain.

147 Washington Post: Cain accuser wants to talk but is barred by agreement.

Cain

148 146 >>>Ace needs to remember that there is one important difference between conservatives and liberals.  Conservatives think and reason with logic.

Not on the evidence displayed in several of these threads so far. 

Or on the basis of Cain's poll numbers in the first place, for that matter.

I'm not sure what you are saying above, but oh well.  I would make one more point though - does anyone honestly believe that Politico would print a story like that about say Romney, for instance, without having evidence to back it up?  Without having sources they could name publicly? 

But, since the story is just about a black man - a conservative black man no less, well then it's OK to print it without sources.  Seriously?

149 Watching The Five right now. A couple of minutes ago, an exasperated Beckel said, "I always get shat on here". He wasn't bleeped. I wonder if there will be any fallout.

150 They would have reported it about the white guy but maybe not with NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. Don't you find the lack of evidence a little racist?

I do, yes, when seen in the light of the pattern Coulter cites. It's quite plausible to state that even with a Republican the Establishment media would not want to push a claim that is self-evidently baseless. It's certainly nowhere near conclusive evidence, however, and I think that's what bothers Ace, et. al.

151 If you're claiming that, were you running a newspaper, you wouldn't run that story -- about the accusation itself -- against a liberal, you're either lying to yourself or you are employing some bizarre standard of newsworthiness you'll have to explain.

Well, someone who's following the Right's Marquess of Queensbury rules likely wouldn't, on the basis of "We don't want to sink to their level."

152 151 >>>. The fact that the story was printed at all with essentially no evidence at all.

There's not a lot of "reason and logic" on display.

The accusations themselves ARE newsworthy. I know you're doing conclusion-first reasoning and want to believe they're not, but they are.

You seem to be claiming that Politico has to collect all the evidence to prove the matter of the claim before printing the accusation.

Wrong. The accusation itself, the fact that it was filed against him, is a story in and of itself.

If you're claiming that, were you running a newspaer, you wouldn't run that story -- about the accusation itself -- against a liberal, you're either lying to yourself or you are employing some bizarre standard of newsworthiness you'll have to explain.
______________________

Ok, I have to agree with you about the newsworthiness aspect, but were I the reporter in this case, I would have to personally interview the women involved and make my own judgements as to their credibility.

However, as to the racism aspect, given the points Dagny made above, I would have to agree that were the person in question a white man, the criteria for publishing a story like this would have been much higher.

153 >>>I'm not sure what you are saying above, but oh well.  I would make one more point though - does anyone honestly believe that Politico would print a story like that about say Romney, for instance, without having evidence to back it up?  Without having sources they could name publicly? 

Um, yes, I do think they would.  And for the last time, THEY HAVE SOURCES.  They met the women, know their names, and presented their names to Cain as well.  They merely declined to name them in the story -- and what purpose would that serve anyway, other than to allow people like you to start attacking them in the worst way possible?

Once again: this story is the farthest thing possible from "unsourced."  It's EXHAUSTIVELY sourced: not only have they contacted the two women in question (who refused to talk because of their NDAs), they examined the original settlement documents, attempted to get Cain to give a statement for 10 days, etc. etc.  You are living in fantasy la-la land if you think this was anything other than textbook journalism in terms of methodology and sourcing. 

154 “It is just frustrating that Herman Cain is going around bad-mouthing the two complainants, and my client is blocked by a confidentiality agreement,” Bennett said. “The National Restaurant Association ought to release them and allow them to respond.”

Not that I am a Cain guy, but she shouldn't have taken the money.  If she was at the level of assistant something to the CEO.  She wasn't exactly a single mom diner waitress where she was more or less forced into accepting the money.  Being between 10k-99k very well might not have even been more then a month or two's pay.  Also I think their might be more of these coming and at least one of them will have enough teeth for the fraudstreammedia to go all chupacabra with it.

Like I say everyday here, I don't think Cain will make a good president but let conservatives decide when/if to toss him overboard... still several eternities (in political time) between now and the nominations.  That is why I am not real freaked out about this.  Worst case scenario, conservatives get their turn at putting up a McCain, Dole, Poppa Bush. (electoral turd)  Lets be honest the only two chosen by conservatives were Reagan and W. Bush.  So both 2 termers and respectable track record, which is still better then the Republican establishment for both wins, reelections, and success as president.

155 What makes this funny is that no one under the age of 45 gets it and those over 45 have to either be well read or from an area that whispered this kind of thing as late as the 60s.

--

Well, I'm 49 and grew up outside DC and my dad worked 24/7 during the race riots of the late 60s, but I guess I'm not "well read."

Point to me phraseology or context that Politico or the subsequent media outlets used that taps into this "black men are scary rapists," that's all I'm asking. 

It's like any group that has a history (even extending into the present) of having been discriminated against.  The onus is still on them to prove the affront. 

156 dagny makes good points on the "oversexed black man" history, which was Ann's big point.  It would have been reported of a white guy, but the overtones and comparison to Thomas are worth noting. 

Ann's other point she made several times was about Republicans having to protect the black man from Democrats.  They were slow on civil rights, and still attack blacks that leave "their plantation".

Politico didn't seem to bring up that such small settlements may well indicate this was a nuisance suit.  And they won't tell if their source was a rival campaign, whether Perry or even Democrats.  They are not fair and balanced of course ... but while this was a story, it seemed coordinated for max impact against Cain. 

http://fwd4.me/0g1s

157 >>>Not that I am a Cain guy, but she shouldn't have taken the money.  If she was at the level of assistant something to the CEO.  She wasn't exactly a single mom diner waitress where she was more or less forced into accepting the money.  Being between 10k-99k very well might not have even been more then a month or two's pay.  Also I think their might be more of these coming and at least one of them will have enough teeth for the fraudstreammedia to go all chupacabra with it.

Well she also had absolutely no reason to think she would be the subject of major controversy in a Presidential campaign, either.  I mean, she's got a point.  Herman Cain was just another businessman back in the day.

The fact is, if she wants to tell her side of the story, it's going to get out one way or another.  It's only a matter of time now.

158 "whoever the black-Democrat equivalent of Joe Lieberman is (if there is one)." Harold Ford, I ... guess?

159 Ann Coulter reminds me of what Mark Twain said about Wagner's music:

"It's better than it sounds."

160 Not that I am a Cain guy, but she shouldn't have taken the money.  If she was at the level of assistant something to the CEO.  She wasn't exactly a single mom diner waitress where she was more or less forced into accepting the money.

I read that the one woman about whom we have specifics was a mid-level writer/editorial person, not his admin. 

Here's the problem. If you are a professional woman and you have this sort of accusation to level you are pretty much screwed. 

If you pursue it informally (talking with the principal party, of course, but also to non-HR manager types and colleagues), you will likely lose the political battle, assuming the person you're complaining about is senior to you.  There will be whisper campaigns against you, you'll develop a reputation for being "sensitive," etc. 

If you pursue it via your company's HR department, you have to realize that their primary motivation is to PROTECT THE COMPANY.  They may be legally obligated to tell you what your rights are and file the paperwork, but it's clear who has the upper hand.  If they find against you, you're screwed.  If they find for you, you are still permanently damaged at that company.  The only way you're safe is if there are several women who have similar complaints who are all willing to make the complaints. 

Your third possibility, assuming you are good at your job and would like to have a shot at continuing your career elsewhere, is to do what she seems to have done and leave the company with a severance and as few people knowing what happened as is humanly possible so you have a shot at getting decent references. 

I'm speaking from experience here. 

So although I am totally sympathetic to the frustrations people feel about false charges or all the bullshit "training" we have to go through, I would be hesitant to jump to the assumption that the women in question must have been gold-diggers and that Cain must have been innocent as a lamb. 

I also have to say that in my direct experience, people either "get it" (ie: understand what the issues are that lead to a complaint) or they don't, irrespective of your gender, your politics, or even your cultural heritage.  So I don't see this as a political issue except insofar as liberal politicians have tried to latch onto this for their own gain. 

161 Completely off topic, I can't stand the RINO mafia who frag fellow Republicans by slagging them off on lefty shows. I think it's ungallant to kick a fellow Republican when he's down & I get the impression that if the candidate in trouble  would pay-off the RINO consultant (e.g. Karl Rove, etc) with a staff job, the fragger stand down his Red on Red firing squad. If you don't have anything nice to say about a fellow Republican then STFU. Stop giving ammo to the Dems.

162 Coulter 1, Levy 0.

Levy's argument of acting incredulous loses to Coulter's rather substantive facts and explanation. The non-sequiter of the NRO reference was full of fail, too.

So, upon official review,

Coulter 2, Levy 0.

163 Levy lost me when he tried to assert that Jonathan Martin is a right winger, because Jonathan Martin is not a right winger.

164 "The non-sequiter of the NRO reference was full of fail, too."

Yeah. I think Levy's probably more right than wrong on this, but the "Jonathan Martin used to write for NRO" part was really bizarre.

165 If Andy Levy is confused, it must mean he has a point...by default I guess, since he said dick shit to bolster any of his assertions.

166 Cain is on Special Report now ... still not a crystal clear response

167 Perhaps the better question is- would Politico write this story if it was about a Democrat?

168 Watch, some liberal will come up with the money so the ladies can break their agreements and talk to the media.

169

I suggested to Politico that they do a story on the Rashid Khalidi tape, I haven't heard back yet.

I watched RedEye and I wasn't on board with Coulter's assessment at all.  Politico reported this because he's a Republican, not black.

The Uncle Tom stuff will come later, should he win the primary.

170 I think Ann is right. They couldn't go after Cain for racism like they did Perry (and as they eventually do to nearly every white conservative), they went for the oversexualized negro angle, just as they did with Clarence Thomas. That's what they do when the conservative man is black. It's like there's a playbook for these commie cunts.

171 Found the webpage for the ghoulish girl with the sledgehammer Petite and cute, with a very different look, IMO.

172 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

173 Not every fucking thing unfavorable to a Republican is the result of an establishment / MSM / racist conspiracy.

Well... the inconsistency of how they choose what to cover, how much to cover it, and when to do so is. The story its self is news, but... then so was Clinton's affairs, and Obama's accused affairs, and so was Edwards. Notice any difference in the coverage?

There's the bias. And race comes in here: Cain is a black guy - really black, not halfrican American. He'd destroy the "vote for Obama or you're in the Klan" tilt, and he'd give blacks a choice which makes them start thinking about policy and what they get from a president, economics and so on.

If you don't think that is looming large to the legacy media, you're pretty gullible.

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