1 She looks like a scrunt with "issues"

2 If you click through to the original news story, she now can't be with anyone under 18. Even her own two kids. OUCH.

3 I'm appalled and outraged that hot teachers didn't have sex with me while I was in high school.

4 Nice. //

5 I'm with Matt on this one.  But then, I didn't look like I'd hit puberty until somewhere around the age of 25 or 26.  (It's handy now, but apparently the ladies don't often go in for the 14 year old look).

6 I know a lot of the Morons will joke about this and that's okay, but this crap hurts boys emotionally just as much as the opposite situation hurts girls, if not in the same way.  It produces a callousness toward women in these boys. 

This broad and all the rest of them should have the book thrown at them, "cute" or not.

7 Decorum is often as thin as 600 thread count linen.

8 FWIW: I put the Axelrod post back into draft mode when I realized we were having a post-a-thon.

9 Bitch owed me money.

10 This happened to me hundreds of times... in my dreams

11 This broad and all the rest of them should have the book thrown at them, "cute" or not.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 31, 2011 10:29 AM (T2/zQ)

Completely agree.  Not to mention they should try to root out some of the useless loads that enabled this by suspecting something but not wanting to be judgemental.  Fuck that shit; toss them all.

12 I dunno, if you gotta hire someone to convince the teachers they shouldn't be boffing the students, then maybe you got a bigger problem than teachers boffing students.

I'm just saying...

13 There are 2-3 of the stories coming out every year.  This is why I believe we should shut down all the public schools and let parents educate their kids.  Education of a child is a parents responsibility and sending your kid to the public schools is a waste of time.  They learn how to bully, have sex with their teachers, disrespectful behavior towards adults, and how to write hate mail to politicians their teachers don't like.

Seriously, my kids will be homeschooled.

14 Bullcrap, PA. I just scared the hell out of you and you ran. Did you know I once raped a rhinoceros with my fist? That's how tough I am.

15 I blame Palin for this.

16 Post her picture next to Katie Couric and I defy you to tell me they weren't separated at birth!

17 Bullcrap, PA. I just scared the hell out of you and you ran.

Your comment survived the transition to draft BTW.  It should remain intact when I cut the post loose in a while.

18 She gets a show on MSNBC for sure.

19 Sorry PA!!

20

And the real societal cause of this???

Not enough MALE teachers for the Female teachers to have affairs with!

Therefore, I suggest, purely in the interest of the Education system, that you all put me the rest of the way through College, so I can get my teaching credential.

21 As a reward for that, PA, you will be the last to die. Everyone fears me.

22 She gets a show on MSNBC for sure.

With her perky cute factor, at the minimum there's a new career as a pron star in her future.

23 baldilocks yes....we have a case out here where a county supervisor's wife was having sex with a teenager...she was threatening to kill herself if he stopped relations, was bribing him with money and gifts...turns out his teacher, pastor, parents had all confronted the supervisor and the wife but NO ONE WENT TO THE AUTHORITIES...the saddest part was the kid had an age appropriate girlfriend whom he was afraid of losing if word got out so the bribes worked until word got out and he lost his girlfriend anyway.....poor kid is going to be messed up for a long time....none of the adults in his life protected him....oh yeah....the supervisor's daughter was in on the act too......

24 Tracy Morgan: "She's the hottest MILF in the world"

25 This would not be a crime in NJ. Age of consent is 16.

26 shouldn't teachers go through psychological testing just like police officers?

27 "A partly consumed bottle of vodka was also found in the car with the couple Valu-Rite?

28 Schools should hire professional teacher-humpers to satisfy this need. Bang these gals and guys at least twice a day so that they go back to the classroom ready to teach.

29 How long before Bowles has some Cafe Press gear for sale? Maybe a branded sippy cup would not be out of the question.

30 Cute?  Meh.  Looks like she'd have a fat ass and bad posture.

31

Tinkerbelle,

I agree completely.  I know a number of good and decent teachers, but they are a shrinking minority of the whole.  Better to save money and study up on the basics.  Hell, most teenagers would be ready for college or a real job, academically speaking, by the time they're sixteen.

LauraW,

I'm actually kind of sympathetic to her in that regards.  She slept with a sixteen year old, which while an abuse of her power and a betrayal of trust, doesn't imply that she's some kind of child predator.  Especially since it appears that she initially thought he was 20. 

32 She was just staying on top of the issues, I mean abreast of the issues.  Or something like that.

33

In Colorado, a person who is under 15 can legally consent to have sex with someone who is no more than 4 years older. A person under 17 can legally consent to sex with a person who is no more than 10 years older.

Standard age of Consent is 17 here.

Whole law is pretty wacky though...

34 5 She was just doing research for her job. Posted by: Anonymoose at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (ZgvjV) Shooting an instructional video?

35 She was just staying on top of the issues, I mean abreast of the issues. First it was vitriolic rhetoric, now it's suggestive rhetoric. This free speech thing is getting out of hand. Why does Palin keep doing this?

36 OK, that's funny.


Who are these 16 year olds who think that 30 year olds are "hawt?"  In my high school, there wasn't a single "hawt" female that I can think of.  There was a skanky male teacher who supposedly smoked dope with students and I think may have been boinking some and there was one mildly hawt art teacher (male).  But I never heard any rumors about any of them... 'ceptin the pot-smoker. 

37 Even at 17, I wouldn't be caught dead in flagrante with that.

38 but of course, she has tenure and union protection, right??

39 uh...the kid was from her school....unless he was a super senior why would a 20yr old be in high school.....she knew how old he was

40 36 She was just staying on top of the issues, I mean abreast of the issues.

First it was vitriolic rhetoric, now it's suggestive rhetoric. This free speech thing is getting out of hand. Why does Palin keep doing this?

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (AZGON)

Is it already time for the Palin Corrolary Game???

Palin is a MILF.

This Lady, wanted to be a MILF.

Ergo... this is Palin's fault.

41 and a high school teacher prowling the halls for students...is a PREDATOR.....

42 Google photos of school teacher and "child molester", Debra Lafave, and tell me why it shouldn't be the God-given right of every teenage boy to ball that babe if she'll let them? There should be an amendment to Florida's constitution to allow it.

43 Ya know, I'm thinking that there's a LOT more of this happening than priests, but for some reason everyone ignores public school teachers boffing the kids, but with the priests it was all pants-on-fire.

44 Way OT, but Vashta, can you point me somewhere that explains your investment advice and strategy?

45 Any woman who sleeps with a teenage boy isn't playing with a full deck of cards.  And if you ever have dated a crazy woman, you know how unpleasant that situation can be, regardless of how 'hot' she is or isn't. 

Now imagine being sixteen and that person has a position of authority over you.

46 The best part of this obscene event is,  the Teachers' Union will undoubtedly go to the mat to protect her salary, bennies, and pension;  they will demand and get  her a lifetime paid assignment to a bad teachers' "rubber room".  She will also get an offer for "Playmate of the Month", and will appear on numerous daytime TV shows explaining that her kind is sexually discriminated against.

47 A loaf of bread, a half-bottle of vodka, and thou.

48 More inventory for the Opra and Dr. Phil shows and viewers.

49 Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 10:49 AM (sYrWB)

Yep.  Like a screen door in a hurricane.

50 Peculiar... this story is at the top, yet the sidebar story on the left reads: BREAKING: Young People More Useless Than Ever Guess it depends on the user. Ahem.

51 and then she and the kid will go on Maury to find out if he is the real baby daddy...

52

uh...the kid was from her school....unless he was a super senior why would a 20yr old be in high school.....she knew how old he was

Depending on the size of the school, and her actual job, she may have had only limited contact with students.  It sounds like she wasn't an actual teacher of children, but was used in an administrative capacity. 

53 I hope the kid doesn't join the Disease of the Month Club because of this.

54 Posted by: tinkerbelle at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (msfHq)

2 - 3 a year?  I think it's a lot more than that.  I also bet, both in absolute numbers and in percentages, the numbers of teachers boffing their students far outnumbers the priests boffing the alter boys.  (No, not excusing: putting in perspective)

If there were any institution other than "public education" which had anywhere near this number of child molesters, it would be shut down faster than an all-you-can-eat sushi bar catering to Sumo wrestlers.

And, yes, my children will be (if possible) home schooled.  Failing that, the wife and I already know we can afford private school tuition.

55 Where were these teachers when I was 16? I totally missed out....

56 Cute?  hmmm.  Not quite a butterface and surely not something I would have turned down at 16 but I need more photos to be sure.

57 Mission Accomplished, Sarah Palin!

58 If there were any institution other than "public education" which had anywhere near this number of child molesters, it would be shut down faster than an all-you-can-eat sushi bar catering to Sumo wrestlers. But but but Catholic priests!!!

59 I went to school a few decades too early.

60

We had one of these crop up in my area last week.

A female HS gym coach. Didn't say if the students were male or female but I have my suspicions.

61 Posted by: Alex at January 31, 2011 10:53 AM (J2ejK)

Ummm... so?  She was still on staff at the HS and would have known all the teachers.  Since the student wasn't a teacher, she would have known he couldn't (reasonably) be over 18.

Even if the Principal's secretary doesn't recognize a specific student, they'll know that is a student and not a teacher because they do recognize all the teachers.

62
 Doesn't say a lot good about the parenting here.

  On either side.

63 Niiiiice. What?!?!? Im just sayin....

64 Is LaFave the one they barred from capitalizing on her notoriety with porn? Because that is just spiteful. She's a fox.

65 So my admonition to not fall in love with a girl until she's marching down the aisle toward him with me smiling in the pews and even then........does that promote callousness toward women?

66 Professor Strumpet

Heh

67 Bowles,31,was employed at his school as a teacherÂ’s instructional coach. It was her job to trains [sic] teachers on how to maintain a professional distance from students.

"Professional distance" means that she should have charged the kid, I think ... and no kissing.  It's part of "realistic sex ed".

68

It's always girls who were probably popular in highschool, but haven't been able to maintain the same amout of attention they require in their post highschool careers.

 

69 2 - 3 a year?  I think it's a lot more than that.

I don't have to look hard to find that many a week.  Hell, the radio station I used to listen to (before I got XM in my new car) would have at least one story a week about teachers a-boppin' the students.  That station broadcast out of southern Wisconsin, so there's that.

70

Bowles,31,was employed at his school as a teacherÂ’s instructional coach. It was her job to trains [sic] teachers on how to maintain a professional distance from students.

 

I remember during a school dance the teacher said we students had to maintain a distance of 6 inches at all times. Only now do i understand what that teacher meant.

71

I know a lot of the Morons will joke about this and that's okay, but this crap hurts boys emotionally just as much as the opposite situation hurts girls,

No, it really doesn't.  This is part of the lack of parity between the sexes.  it mirrors the lack of parity in the different roles each has in sex and the lack of parity in the possible consequences of sex.

72 Dropping out of high school early is the worst decision you can make. You might miss out!

73 I remember during a school dance the teacher said we students had to maintain a distance of 6 inches at all times.

The Ninja Nuns always said they had to see light between the dancers.  Otherwise--THE YARDSTICK!!!

74 Reading the YouTube comments on her interview with Matt Lauer. Someone said, "I heard the kid she had sex with died yesterday... of high five'n too much."

75 One of my Dad's employees had a 26 yo daughter who slept with a student.  She was the type that had probably never been "popular" before and took advantage of her position of power over hormonal teenagers.  Doesn't matter the gender, it is a sad ordeal.

For those truly lecherous individuals with WAY underage kids--guillotine.  For the rest, I don't know what is really best.  They certainly fuck up two lives (at least).

76
I confess to humping a Debra Lafave look-alike after the Sadie Hawkins dance.  Yea, she was a 19 year old freshman, or so she said.

77 those who can, do. those who can't, teach.

78 If this was a male teacher the guy would be being crucified by the media.  The word pedophile never seems to come up when talking about the females.

79

Her student lover initially said he was 20 years old – but later admitted he was 16.

And? Even if he was 20, why the f. are you sleeping with him in the back of your car? Isn't he a student? I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly is this person's job. Sounds like an idiotic position to begin with and a delusional nitwit to fill it. Sorry, I am in a cranky mood. I will not find myself attracted to 20 year olds ever, no matter what they look like.

80 Two students, one cup...

81   They certainly fuck up two lives (at least).

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 11:04 AM (8qbfK)

Well, in this case... NOT condoning the actions but...

Is it the Action itself which will destroy lives? or will it be the Legal Consequences which will destroy lives...

ie... if this was not against the law... would it have destroyed lives to this extent? or are we making a bad situation evev worse?

82 This old cow, however, had to get he kid liquored up on Val-U-Rite before she climbed on top of him. Plus, parking?

83
Back during the Dark Ages when most teachers were ugly ass spinsters with Pocket Rockets, the idea of bumping their humps is enough to make me retch, especially Ms. Finsterwald. 

84

Posted by: CDR M at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (5I8G0)

 

or maybe "Don't stand so close to me" by the Police, wasn't Sting a teacher???

(sorry no linkee, my link-fu sucketh)

85 To be fair, though, I had a 21yo substitute (a model/grad student) when I was 18.  That is a bit different circumstance than the 31/16 combo.  Bottom line: wrong.  To different degrees.

I still think that the girls are fare more impacted by this later in life than the boys (provided that they are >15).

86 Who are these 16 year olds who think that 30 year olds are "hawt?"

All of them. When I was 16, and I'm sure I'm not in the minority here, I would have fucked a handfull of sand if I thought there was a female worm in it.

87 No, it really doesn't.

I don't think you've really thought this through.  What happens when, as in any relationship, there is a disagreement?  You know, a disagreement between a sexually inexperienced teenager with a person in authority, willing to break laws and cheat on their spouse, who has a vested interest in keeping things quiet?

The women doinking teenage boys aren't angels.  They're psychos.  They are going to behave as psychos when things don't go according to plan.

88 @Romeo:

More the legal consequences, in this instance (perhaps).

89 So, let me think this through for sec - when I'm 16 and I'm having sex with my 16 year old girlfriend, it's part of growing up, an act encouraged and celebrated by liberals and MTV. But, when I'm 16 and she's 31, I'm a victim that's traumatized and in need of some kind of professional help. I call mega-Bullshit....

90 Cute my ass. She's a chubster. That's why she needed the vodka. This arrest is overpowering more fundamental questions: How do get credentials for a job telling teachers they can't fuck the kids? And after you say that on day one, what's there to do after that? After four months of talking about fucking students day in day out, what else are you going to do?. She should have been home taking care of her daughters instead of wasting her time with a fake job. That was tragedy no. 1.

91 72 I have 3 boys and the two older ones wouldn't care to take on the obvious age difference but if for some reason there was a hot 23 year old when they were 17? Meh. I don't see them being scarred by it at all. In fact I can see them thinking they were cock of the walk. Less confident or dorky boys maybe might have some emotional investment? IDK

92 Way OT, but Vashta, can you point me somewhere that explains your investment advice and strategy?

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 10:50 AM (AZGON)

Learned in grad school, but briefly, I am still heavy in resource stocks, mainly royalty trusts.  Iron ore, natural gas, etc.  These pay out dividends which are usually not treated as dividends, but as return of capital or sales of business property, for ore, and dividends on gas are net of depletion, so both are taxed more favorably.  Look at MSB for ore (GNI is expiring soon), and San Juan (SJT) for gas.  You definitely have to buy on dips, though.  Additionally, I am still in municipal bonds (but only short term, due to current state default risk).  This is tax exempt dividend income, and used in lieu of a money market or whatnot for my emergency fund.  All of my rollover IRA money is in international funds - Latin America or Far East, which are still doing very well, but I am prepared to shift if conditions change .  I think a long term buy and hold is still applicable to US stocks like PG and XOM.

Best advice I ever got was to only buy something that I felt comfortable holding for at least five years.

93 And we see the results of the over sexualization of society yet again.

94 Ok, teachers, see what we've learned? Naked in the backseat is not a professional distance. Now, let's try the front seat...

95

Ummm... so?  She was still on staff at the HS and would have known all the teachers.  Since the student wasn't a teacher, she would have known he couldn't (reasonably) be over 18.

If she met him outside of work, then she wouldn't necessarily have reason to suspect.   A moderate sized town, with plenty of community activities would give him enough cover, at least initially. 

96 My guess is that she has a drinking problem not an underage sex problem.

97

Stop saying that teenage boys who have sex with their hot, blonde teachers are permanently damaged . I have a better description for these kids: 'Lucky bastards.'

98 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (AdK6a)

On balance... it's bad anyway.

Let's say there is some slim possibility that this specific relationship would have ended up okay.  Either they end up together happy and fanatically devoted to each other or they have an amicable breakup.

That doesn't change the fact that the majority of these do no such thing.  One side starts forcing the other (either the teacher wants out but is threatened with blackmail, or the student wants out and is coerced by the teacher wielding her position of authority). 

Then there is the sociological damage to both: in many (not all) cases, the boy is already one who objectifies women (she doesn't turn him into that, she just uses it).  Now, that immoral world-view is cemented further in his mind.  For her part, it makes her less likely to pursue normal relationships in which she has to actually share the "power" in the relationship because she can always find pseudo-fulfillment via this kind of affair, and therefore why worry about fitting into a normal relationship?

99 The point is that she is the person in the power position, the "educator" and she is the one with the responsibility to behave morally and responsibly.  She did not behave morally and responsibly.  They need to start sending these people to jail and stop worrying about how powerful their union is.

100 It was her job to trains [sic] teachers on how to maintain a professional distance from students.

"Professional distance"?  So what is the thickness of a condom, anyway?

101 This is the up-side to smaller class sizes. The more teachers, the more one-on-one attention you can get. And, yes, I'm pissed that we muddled thru with just the very best teachers and large class sizes.

102 I dunno, guys, when I was a kid, I didn't try to psychoanalyze why a hottie put out for me. I was, well, just grateful.

103

Yeah.... and think on this...

He's 16, and in Colorado Total age of consent is 17, and if you are 15 you can give consent to someone within 10 years of your age...

Thus, if the Teach had been 26, instead of 31? Pass... UNLESS there was a direct student teacher relationship...

Whole age of consent thing is pretty weird here... and.... hmmm... equal protection argument for age discrimination for HER age under this law??? as its HER age which makes this illegal (the 10 year age gap thing?).

104 Well she was on top of things it seems?

105 his would not be a crime in NJ. Age of consent is 16.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 31, 2011 10:43 AM (LdYLm)

It is against the law here for a teacher to boink the students regardless of age. I suspect that a lot of other States have similar laws.

106 I dunno, guys, when I was a kid, I didn't try to psychoanalyze why a hottie put out for me. I was, well, just grateful. Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 11:15 AM (sYrWB) Well same with me, but then I usually woke up anyway?

107 I wonder what MTV would think of this?

108 I know a male teacher who got 85+ years for sex with two students - 14 and 16.  He's been in prison for about 20 years so far.

109 Posted by: Joejm65 at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (FaJtc)

How about we think this through for a second:

Sex at 16 with his 16 year old girlfriend is morally wrong and (even ignoring that) generally a very bad idea (for a variety of reasons).  It should not have legal consequences because we have legally said that 16 year-olds are not responsible for their own choices/actions (can't sign contracts, for instance, or join the military).

Sex with his 31 year old teacher is just as morally wrong, has all the same "bad idea" ingredients with others besides, and she's old enough she can (and therefore should) be held accountable for her actions.

If you want to argue about lowering the age of majority from 18 down to 16, let's hear your reasons.  If you're trying to draw a moral equivalence between two people in a relationship on more-or-less equal terms and a student doinking a school official (teacher or otherwise) then you're missing part of the point.

110 I know a male teacher who got 85+ years for sex with two students - 14 and 16. He's been in prison for about 20 years so far. Posted by: havedash at January 31, 2011 11:19 AM (sFD5n) Well a male teacher sure

111 The South Park episode "Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy" humorously and succinctly sums up many of the points already made here (the double-standard of men vs female predatory teachers, the effects on the kid).

112 Thank you, Vashta. I need to come up with some fresh ideas and that helps.

113 "Professional distance"?  So what is the thickness of a condom, anyway?

several microns? 

Here's another ironic story of a similar vein:

Chicago Anti-Violence Speaker Arrested for Smacking Woman

114

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:15 AM (8y9MW)

Ahhh.... the "relationship" argument...

Problem is that, contrary to the popularly endorsed "normal relationship" you speak of.... Many Men, including myself, do not always equate Sex with having a relationship. 

Its one of the major differences between men and women...

So Kid could very well Boff the Hotty Teacher... Yell "SCORE", get backslaps and highfives from his buddies... and move on with no consequence.

This has become a big deal, because OTHER people are making it a big deal.

115 Gee I don't know. What is more damaging? Banging in the back seat of the car, or getting caught, having your parents find out and getting her mug plastered all over the internet?

116 If you want to argue about lowering the age of majority from 18 down to 16, let's hear your reasons.  If you're trying to draw a moral equivalence between two people in a relationship on more-or-less equal terms and a student doinking a school official (teacher or otherwise) then you're missing part of the point.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:19 AM (8y9MW)

Age of consent is 17 here..... and consent is OK if you are 15, or 16, and they are within 10 years of Age...

Thus is she had been 26, instead of 31, no problem with consent or underage EXCEPT for the potential Student/Teacher thing...

But... if she is not even his teacher??? ie not in authority above him??

Now.... if she gave him the Vodka to drink, thats another "charge"...

117 This stuff was rampant when I was in High School several years ago.  There was a butt ugly, zit faced typing teacher who was found of da black boys.  There was also a male coach who ended up leaving his wife marrying his gf right after her graduation.  A current Principal also married one of his former students not long after her graduation...just saying.  One gal that I graduated with went on to become a teacher.  She came from a prominent local family.  She has been moved from school to school due to encounters with students - see prior sentence.

118

101 This.

"Thou shall not boink the students".

That goes for the boys as well as the girls -- young boys are emotionally fragile things underneath all that machismo; it isn't right to go messing with them like that.  This "woman" essentially used this boy; how is that any different than a man using a young girl -- sexual gratification which involves such selfishness and callousness of another human being is a damn ugly thing, and it's really ugly when you prey upon the young and innocent in order to do it. 

Does point to what is wrong with our education system though: the kids are no longer human: they're just objects; objects can be used.

 

119

Every time I see an article like this I think "where were these teachers when I was in high school?"

Then I think that they may have been there, but I was too much of a toolbox to get their attention.

120 He got the high-speed train...ing.

121

Problem is that, contrary to the popularly endorsed "normal relationship" you speak of.... Many Men, including myself, do not always equate Sex with having a relationship.

Which begs the question, what other kind of relationship is there? C'mon, dude, we all use the line, "But, but, but, of course I love you, and what's more, I love you for your mind!" 

 

122 I am 56 and NONE of this was going on when I was in High School. And if it was I new nothing about it.

123 OMG, there should be no difference in thinking cause this is a boy.  The person in power, be they male or female, has no business taking advantage of the person not in power.  In this case the teacher, male or female is the power authority figure and the student, male or female, is the minor child to be protected.  What if this scared him psychologically for life?  What if she passed on a sexually transmitted disease to him?  What if he can never work now out of fear that his boss will demand sexual favors from him?

I hope the school district gets hit with a big fat lawsuit and that they have to pay out millions on this.

124 So Kid could very well Boff the Hotty Teacher... Yell "SCORE", get backslaps and highfives from his buddies... and move on with no consequence.

And what if Hotty Teacher isn't interested in being a trophy scalp?  And why would Hotty Teacher doink a kid who will blab about it?

See, Hotty Teacher isn't doinking you, she's doinking somebody she thinks she won't get caught with, for her reasons, not yours.  So, perhaps a quiet kid from a turbulent home that nobody would believe.

Well-adjusted women are not going to have sex with a sixteen year old, because no sixteen year old boy has ever been awesomely masculine enough to appeal to an actually hot woman.  So whatever her reasons are, they are fucked up, and probably she isn't interested in just sex.

125 Good grief, 16-year-old boys weren't attractive to me when I was 16, let alone now that I'm in my 30s. This woman obviously has some problems.

126 I'm betting she's a drunk and saw a human with a penis. He said he was 20 and that was good enough at the moment. Bet he's going to be more scarred by being the instrument of someone's prison term.

127 J.J. Sefton@17: Post her picture next to Katie Couric and I defy you to tell me they weren't separated at birth! Maybe when they cut the umbilical cord. I hope you're not suggesting this fresh-faced cutie is a twin to haggard old Katie.

128

I think when you're talking about age differences, you really DO have to look at the emotional differences between, for example, a 15 year-old and a 30 year-old.  There are fifteen years between them; really, that's not far.  But the 30 year-old has been out of college for at least six years, probably eight, has been working and paying taxes, and engaging in various amours since THEY were in high school.  On the other hand, five years earlier, while the 30 year-old was a fresh-faced 25 year-old college grad, the 15 year-old was only ten and still thought the opposite sex was infested with cooties.  There are ACRES of emotional, psychological, and physical differences between a teenager and a grown adult. 

When an adult sleeps with a minor, it's nothing but selfishness.  It has nothing to do with love.  There may very rarely be a case of genuine love between an adult and a teenager (I will NEVER condone any kind of amorous dealings between anyone and a child), but such instances are few and far between, and even when they exist I would still call the adult a selfish fool.  They should be able to practice restraint, and should demand that the teenager practice equal restraint.  When the younger of the pair has come of age and is no longer under the elder's sphere of influence, then they can do as they please.  I may not agree that relationships built around a large age gap are tenable, I also know that it's none of my business and they have as much right to try and succeed/fail as anyone else in the arena of love.  They're both adults.

When an older man engages in emotional and/or physical relations with a female student, even when it's consensual, there can be very real emotional and physical scars.  The results are different for male students with their female teachers, certainly from a physical perspective, but the teenage years involve a maelstrom of emotions that can be frighteningly powerful.  Even if the male student acts and feels like the BMOC because he had sex with Miss Applethwaite, the English teacher, doesn't mean that ten years down the line he's not going to have a hard time thinking about how one of his earliest sexual experiences was with a woman almost old enough to be his mother.

And let's look at this from a slightly different perspective.  What if this teacher-type person had been a man?  Disregard your feelings about homosexuality and just think of it in terms of sexuality, period.  If this had been a 31 year-old male teacher who had consensual sex with a gay 16 year-old boy from school, would you feel outrage?  If it had been a 16 year-old lesbian student with this 31 year-old female teacher-type person, would you feel uncomfortable? 

If this had been YOUR son or daughter, would you care?

I know I would.  You want to talk about Mama Grizzly?  Go ahead and take advantage of my flesh and blood.  That's when the claws come out

129 ...caught her and the 16-year-old boy in the act in her Subaru,


There are other things that we can do
but only if you're tired of getting -- scratched
Honk the horn real good
and you'll wake the neighborhood
and they'll have a marvelous view

130 Another example of gender differences. A 16-year-old girl in the same situation is (assumed to be) scarred for life, and the male would get sent to PMITA prison for years and years. A 16-year-old boy thanks whatever Gods he prays to for his good fortune, has a great story to tell his friends for years afterwards, and the woman will get 20 hours of community service and a small fine.

131 I know a young hot teacher. She's all of 24 and goes to great lengths to make sure the boys can't friend her or even see her facebook. She goes to a club/bar  in another town and ends up chewing face with a young man. Young man used his fake ID to get in and was a month away from graduating and 2 months from his 18th birthday. He could easily pass for 22-25. The kids think it's funny but the admin probably wouldn't. I can't see how that is possibly her fault considering she had the expectation that everyone in the bar was 21 and said boy is certainly not scarred. It's not always about sick pedophile stuff. This vodka/backseat thing is really sketchy but every event isn't.

132 Who wants to bet this woman drives a Subaru Outback? 

133 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (AdK6a)

So because you're a misogynistic jerk the rest of us are, too?  Umm... no.

See, there are a lot of us who believe that- whether you want it to or not, and whether you think it does or not- having sex with someone makes a "relationship" and the ending (or continuing) of that relationship has consequences.

When you and Brian doink somebody, it could be "just for fun," but that is not (whatever you've been told) the "normal" attitude.  That is an animalistic thing, and giving into those desires is giving up the very thing that makes humans different from animals: the ability to delay- or even completely deny- gratification.

Inasmuch as the family unit is the primary building block of society- anything that harms that foundation is bad for society.  Guys getting their rocks off with the nearest thing with two legs and possibly functional mammaries is incredibly destructive to the family unit.

Or had you missed the posts about the destruction of the Black family?

134

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 11:33 AM (TpXEI)

But this whole thing comes about because the "boy" is a Victim...

Yeah... she's a pretty screwed up woman... but if being screwed up was enough to get thrown in Prison for, I know a LOOOOTTTTT of women who would be in Jail right now.

 

135

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

Ahhh... the name calling begins... how... predictable.

136 What the shit, man?!?

I propose we start treating teachers the way pop culture treats catholic priests.  Every catholic priest is a potential sex offender, and I say every female school teacher is also a potential sex offender.  You rarely, sometimes but very rarely, hear about male teachers fucking female students.  But every week we hear about some fat whore screwing some 16 year old boy's brains out.  Now I know what you're thinking, great for the boy, right?  But it's sexual predation!  These women are sick in the head.  The hell with them.  Every teacher goes through a psyche exam fit for an astronaut, I say.  We'll take the money from girl's sports to pay for it.   Fucking pedophile teachers...and you know she's still gonna get her pension.

137

--I don't think you've really thought this through.  What happens when, as in any relationship, there is a disagreement?  You know, a disagreement between a sexually inexperienced teenager with a person in authority, willing to break laws and cheat on their spouse, who has a vested interest in keeping things quiet?

The problem, here, is a teacher having sex with a student.  iot's a purely legal thing (and one of the fact that people in authority shouldn't be boinking their charges, generally.  But, any claim that the male student is somehow traumatized by this is ridiculous.

--The women doinking teenage boys aren't angels.  They're psychos.  They are going to behave as psychos when things don't go according to plan.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (TpXEI)

They're emotionally damaged, obviously.  But if guys refused to have sex with emotionally damaged women, that would really restrict the field.  She's not a psycho, just immature and ... a bit too giving.  But I'm sure the student appreciated the gift.

 

138

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

OH, and in your OUTRAGE at my poor attitude... did you bother to notice I was speaking for MYSELF and SOME men like me???

Or are you too busy getting your panties in a wad...

(heck, as long as I'm being accused of being a misogynistic jerk... I may as well enjoy it...)

139 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:47 AM (AdK6a)

You're the one who said you only doinked people for the sex- that you had no interest in a "relationship."  If that's not misogyny, I'm really not sure what is.

Women may not need "protection" in the sense they once did, but they should still be honored and (for lack of a better term) revered.  Your stance (and Brian's) is about as far from that as you can get without actually calling them "things" or "animals."

You might think through the logical consequences of having the idea that sex for recreation is a good idea.

140 Kinda gives new meaning to "being on the staff ".

141

OMG, there should be no difference in thinking cause this is a boy.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 11:30 AM (p302b)

From an emotional point of view, that's absolutely ridiculous.  A guy who bangs lots of girls is a casanova.  A girl who bangs lots of guys is a skank.

That's the difference between the sexes, and it comes out of the differences in sex to a man or a woman.  Men don't get pregnant.  Women do.  Anyone who thinks that men and women SHOULD view sex the same way is denying basic biology.

People can argue the legality of this, but anyone who claims the boy is traumatized is crazy.

142 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (AdK6a)

Outrage is in the mind of the accused, I suppose.  I'm simply pointing out the truth of your ideas.

And I wasn't labeling everybody.  I was directing my comments directly at you (again, and Brian, who also noted that he things roughly the same way).  So I'm not really sure why you're even bringing that point up.

143
She had a husband and has two children. I think once the future ex-husband kicks her to the curb, the first words out of his mouth to the divorce judge will be primary custody.

144 143 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:47 AM (AdK6a)

You're the one who said you only doinked people for the sex- that you had no interest in a "relationship."  If that's not misogyny, I'm really not sure what is.

Women may not need "protection" in the sense they once did, but they should still be honored and (for lack of a better term) revered.  Your stance (and Brian's) is about as far from that as you can get without actually calling them "things" or "animals."

You might think through the logical consequences of having the idea that sex for recreation is a good idea.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (8y9MW)

Uh.... 51 years old... been single for the vast majority of it... and had an active Sex life... was a full time single parent from the time my kids were 2 until they moved out this year.

I've been in and out of relationships... but have ALWAYS been very clear about my intentions, and where I was at.... and am almost brutal in my honesty.

I have NEVER forced anyone into anything... especially emotionaly...

Sooo.... if the Women of my life don't have any complaints about my behaviour, or attitude.... I find it interesting that YOU do...

145 Bowles,31,was employed at his school as a teacherÂ’s instructional coach.

Schools have enough money, they just waste it on crap.

146 But, any claim that the male student is somehow traumatized by this is ridiculous.

No they're not ridiculous.  You are focusing on the sex act and pretending it will happen and, like trout or some other animal in the wild, both will go their separate ways.

Yes, normal intercourse is not likely to traumatize the boy, but then, a thirty year old man engaging in consensual sex with a sixteen year old girl is unlikely to traumatize her as well.  It's all the >other< stuff that goes along with the sex which causes the trauma.

147

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:54 AM (8y9MW)

So, if I say you are an ASSHOLE.... then I'm not calling you an ASSHOLE?

How... nuanced...

148 Posted by: Charles Krauthammer's 3rd, And Last, Brain Cell at January 31, 2011 11:52 AM (AK0dh)

So you're saying that, because men can't get pregnant, there is no reason they shouldn't be as promiscuous as possible?  This might surprise you, but Casa Nova is not actually universally revered among men.

Even if you're right about the emotional part (I don't think you are, btw, but I'll grant it for now) there are also important societal and moral considerations, and consequences in both of those spheres from this kind of relationship.

149 Mountain View staff will have the second of two seminars with representatives from the Sexual Assault Victim Advocate Center on Thursday after students are dismissed early.



So, the kid gets laid, the rest of the students get out of school early, and the teachers get paid to sit in a seminar, lay back, and count the holes in the ceiling acoustical tiles.

Lad is a shoe-in for Prom King.

150 I think there's a misunderstanding being propagated here; he told the cop he was 20, but then when he had to provide ID it was a school ID (for the same school she worked in) showing he was 16.

They are not reporting that he ever lied to her, or that she didn't already know who he was.

151

They were found by a copy from the Loveland, CO Police Department.

Loveland?

How very.....appropriate.

Ahem.

152

Make that "cop" from the Loveland PD.

I hate typos.

153 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (AdK6a)

Did you pass reading comprehension?
I never denied calling you a misogynistic jerk.  And I still think you are.

If that makes me an "asshole," then I guess I fart in your general direction.

Sooo.... if the Women of my life don't have any complaints about my behaviour, or attitude.... I find it interesting that YOU do...

Yes, it's called a concrete moral structure.  Some things are right, and some things are wrong.  Casual sex is wrong.  That's not that hard.

154 So, the kid gets laid, the rest of the students get out of school early, and the teachers get paid to sit in a seminar, lay back, and count the holes in the ceiling acoustical tiles.

Schools waste a lot of classroom time on crap, too.

155

Women may not need "protection" in the sense they once did, but they should still be honored and (for lack of a better term) revered.  Your stance (and Brian's) is about as far from that as you can get without actually calling them "things" or "animals."

I utterly and completely agree.

However, the girls aren't buying it anymore. Most of them are screwing with abandon and have completely given up on relationships first. Guys don't have to worry about getting laid, they worry about getting stalked and if they screw the girl--- is there anyway to get her to go away ever?  It's a weird reversal of the traditional thinking. THEY are the ones that need to value themselves and they just aren't doing it. Girls can't expect to be valued if they are giving themselves away at every opportunity. I'm constantly stunned at cute girls in private schools from good families giving it up to random guys all the time. It's disturbing and I don't know what caused the shift. And all the guys aren't too nuts about it either.

156

128  From what I've seen of it, this is pretty much the case -- they aren't after the hot jock types; they're after the shy, easily led ones.  Because this is about power, sex not so much.

What is being missed here is: why was she out parking?  I don't know about you, but by age 30 (hell, younger than that) I was preferring the comfort of my bed for the horizontal tango...I didn't need a car because there was no sneaking around...oh, that's right -- this broad has a family, so she had to sneak around.  So it's ok for her to cheat on her family because **cking 16 yo. boys is victimless...I'm sure her own kids are probably just fine with all of this.  Oh, and she got the kid liquored up too...hmmm, that means she had to buy booze...why would you buy booze when both parties were obviously concensual?  What is usually the reason guys have to get girls liquored up before a parking session?  Could it be that she had every intention of treating this boy like guys who get girls really drunk in order to take their clothes off?  And we're condoning this? (I personally wouldn't be happy to find out my son had done that to some girl of his own age, but we're talking about a 30 something and a teenager here), and her kids get to know that Mommy likes to bop teenage boys she's gotten drunk.

Wow, no victims at all with this case...there should be more women like this out there for all those teenage boys...hey, maybe you guys (or your sons) can talk your wives and daughters into being just like this...do it for the teenage boys (remember: you were one once yourself, and it's only fair).

157 You  and me have drastically different definitions of "cute", Laura.

158 BTW, there's about 112 holes in your typical acoustical tile depending on pattern.

159 Most of the time, these women and men have spouses and kids. They get hurt by this type of behavior immensely. Locally, a teacher turned her self in to the police because she felt so guilty about an affair with a student. She's on her way to prison and the kid's family is suing the husband because he threaten the kid and his family if he didn't stay away from his wife. So, you got a couple of kids with their mom in prison, a husband betrayed by his wife and facing large legal bills.

160 I'm just wondering how the scrunt got the job.  Leaving aside the obvious fucking waste of money that public schools do and how poor she was at executing her purported field of expertise, I'm thinking that somebody really fucked up on considering her qualified for, well, anything useful.

161 12
Completely agree.  Not to mention they should try to root out some of the useless loads that enabled this by suspecting something but not wanting to be judgmental.  Fuck that shit; toss them all.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 10:35 AM (olKiY)

And still there are those who say that there's no wasted spending to be cut from education budgets whatsoever.

162

A male student has as much a chance of being traumatized as a female, because many of the female students in these situations are predators.  I've seen them go after male teachers, and heard stories from friends who are teachers. 

163 Yes, normal intercourse is not likely to traumatize the boy, but then, a thirty year old man engaging in consensual sex with a sixteen year old girl is unlikely to traumatize her as well.  It's all the >other< stuff that goes along with the sex which causes the trauma.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (TpXEI)

Society protects girls more than boys.  Always has.  The attempt, these days, to view girls and boys the same way is totally unnatural and will not end well.

164 136
Who wants to bet this woman drives a Subaru Bareback Outback?
Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 11:44 AM (4df7R)

FIFP

165 A 16-year-old girl in the same situation is (assumed to be) scarred for life, and the male would get sent to PMITA prison for years and years.

The idea that all sexual predators do real time is sadly mistaken. A glance at actual sentences for things even more vile than screwing your teen students would shock and amaze for the lack of seriousness that many of these crimes are viewed with. I know of two band teachers who knew each other, who abused young boys, in the one case middle schoolers and were simply fired.

166

Sooo.... if the Women of my life don't have any complaints about my behaviour, or attitude.... I find it interesting that YOU do...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (AdK6a)

Don't have any complaints?  That's why you have an ex-wife or am I missing something?  And your nic is pretty hilarious; you sound like an STD mosh pit.

167 167 One of my college roommates. Rich rich pretty girl picked her classes to screw the professors for As. Her daddy was a trustee and later laid 20 mil on the school for a new library wing. She got her degree on her back on purpose. Waaay easier than doing the work. I noticed she gave the max to Obama in 08--from her mansion in greenwich.

168 Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 12:01 PM (0Hp4r)

1) TV since the 1960's
2) Mom & (more importantly) Dad letting them watch TV (since the 60's)

Those are really my top two- sex as a form of entertainment or (at most) confirmation of affection (not to mention the lie that "love" is something we feel) has been so pervasive in popular culture for at least the last 50 years that there are middle aged women who never knew any different.

Add on top of that the fact that Mom & Dad think it's "okay" so it must be alright and you get the seeds.  Throw in some "self esteem" mumbo-jumbo (the real kind, finding yourself "worthy" and able to view your accomplishments, or lack thereof, through that prism) and you've got today's moral sinkhole.  And too many guys have been all to ready to take advantage of it.

169 Nice...

170 she got the kid liquored up too...
Posted by: unknown jane


That might be a bit of a stretch. Sayth the press, "both were naked and there were bottles of Sprite and vodka in the vehicle, according to the arrest affidavit."

She stated that the boy had only tried one sip of the alcohol, although that one sip was enough to get an additional charge tacked on.

Frankly, throw her in the clink for buying Sprite.  Euuch!

171 I'm just wondering how the scrunt got the job.

Masters Degree in EducationSocial Justice. As far as I can tell from the "master's degree research in education" class I accidentally sat in on instead of a real research methods class, you only need an IQ of room temperature to complete the coursework (...my classmates were jr high home ec teachers, and all they ever talked about was their students having sex. Ostensibly, they were going to "research" that.)

(The link is from Kansas, but it's probably similar in Colorado.)

172 By the way, these types of cases are bankrupting Catholic Dioceses and closing Catholic Schools. Should these public schools too be sued out of existence?

173 Yes, it's called a concrete moral structure.  Some things are right, and some things are wrong.  Casual sex is wrong.  That's not that hard.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 12:00 PM (8y9MW)

Thats your moral view... and funny that I don't call you names for having it...

While myself, who sees casual safe Sex as a victimless passtime, which if done by two consenting adults is NOT wrong... can be called names...

Interesting view for one who advocates Freedom of Thought on almost every thread...

 

174

44: Ya know, I'm thinking there's a LOT more of this happening than priests, but for some reason everyone ignores public school teachers boffing the kids, but with the priests it was all pants-on-fire.

Because you can't get money out of the government schools and you can from the Church.  That's all there is to it.  BTW, seen the latest study noting that a great number of claims of clergy sexual abuse are lies by garbage hunters trying to ride the gravy train?  No, you didn't.  Follow the money, as a wise man once said. . .

175 Should these public schools too be sued out of existence?

Unlike the Catholic church, a school can raise property taxes nearly indefinitely to pay the settlements.

176

Don't have any complaints?  That's why you have an ex-wife or am I missing something?  And your nic is pretty hilarious; you sound like an STD mosh pit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 12:09 PM (olKiY)

Actually, my Nick on here was my Desert Storm Callsign... back from when I WAS faithfully married...

So... just a bitttt outside....

177 175 Oh yeah, "he just had a sip"...where have I heard that before?  On top of it all, this "woman" was an authority figure, by way of her title and her age.  Now she has given what sort of image to authority figures?  We wonder why kids don't give enough respect?  I present you with Exhibit A.

178 Ya know, I'm thinking that there's a LOT more of this happening than priests, but for some reason everyone ignores public school teachers boffing the kids, but with the priests it was all pants-on-fire.

Posted by: CUS at January 31, 2011 10:50 AM (wOGfT)

You're right. Coulter broke down the numbers in the same book she blew apart the whole "teachers are underpaid" canard.

179

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

Mom? Mom, is that  you?

180 I suppose that is theoretically true HeatherRadish, but I doubt that infinite taxation is possible in fact.

181 I'd still hit it.

182

173 I agree but I also include abortion in this. The historic reason for not having random indiscreet sex is gone.

183

Romeo, I think the big difference here is that this did not involve two consenting adults -- there was a big age difference and a big difference in social roles.  They were not equals.

Now if two consenting adults of equal rank in society (aka. roughly the same peer group) want to do the dirty nasty for just the physical aspects of it, then that is their business -- have at it with their bad selves actually -- but trying to make this situation out to be that is a bit of a stretch.

184 By the way, in the debate over whether males are damaged in any way in these instances one factor has been missing: pregnancy.
Imagine this chick gets pregnant and has the baby. TA DA! You are now a dad at 16.

185 Just teaching the 4 Rs reading writing arithmetic,and rape

186 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 12:12 PM (AdK6a)

You can think what you want.  I've never said you couldn't.  I also get to think of you, based on your comments, what I want.  Please note I was not calling you a misogynistic jerk as a pejorative, but as an actual descriptor.

The difference, if you will, between calling a Liberal "pinko commie scum" (usually a pejorative) and "idiot" (usually a descriptor).

That's okay (from a "freedom" standpoint, anyway).  People are free to vote Democrat, too.  I'll call them idiots, too (and do, on occasion).

187 All of them. When I was 16, and I'm sure I'm not in the minority here, I would have fucked a handfull of sand if I thought there was a female worm in it.

Posted by: Moron with raging hormones at January 31, 2011 11:08 AM (Zi+FQ)

Exactly. What these stories illustrate is how different young men and women are, feminist cant notwithstanding.

188   In a situation like this, what's important is communication and parental involvement.

Son: "I'm having trouble with my new teacher.  She's...well...all touchy and moist."

Dad: "You want me to take her off your hands?"

Son: "Sure."

Dad: "Oh, I sent your sister's cute little tennis coach a new iPod.  From you, of course.  I think she's more your kind, and I never see her with anyone.  Maybe you'll get something out of that.  Now go work out, you'll need it."

Son: "YOU'RE A GREAT DAD!"

189 Dagny, abortion and the Pill have divorced sex from its procreative primary purpose. And left us with a mess.
.

190 Picture of Professor Strumpet at the link.

If there ever was a clear expression of dread on a person's face, that one has to be it.

191

she got the kid liquored up too...
Posted by: unknown jane

I'm sure she didn't have to "trick" the kid into drinking...

192 This lady served a five month term as an intern for Colorado Democrat Bill Ritter! So, the headline, "Democrat Politicians Intern Rapes Child" is accurate.

193 I won't lie, when I was 16 I would have hit it, all of her friends, and maybe even her mom.

194

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 12:18 PM (5/yRG)

OH.... I aggree... two totally different things...

But... is the crime bad enough... is the damage to boy enough... to put this lady in Jail for 20 years???? some murderers get less time...

And to take away any and all contact with her Children?

If she'd been out raping 6 year olds?? Put her in Jail forever...

But consensual Sex with a 16 year old boy?  I just have a problem with his "victim" status rising to the point of destroying that many lives...

195 Where were these women when I was 16?

196 teachers instructional coach.  Just parts of the core reading, writing, and arithmetic,  No wonder our schools suck and are broke.

197 194 So funny. That's what all those hated religious zealots said would happen! What a flippin shock!! But yet "don't tell me what to do" is still the mantra while society crumbles into a redistributionist welfare scheme.

198 Oh yeah, "he just had a sip"...where have I heard that before?

Well, all we have at this point are press accounts of the police report, and that's what they said.  Nothing mentioned about the boy being drunk or insensate.


On top of it all, this "woman" was an authority figure, by way of her title and her age.

Actually, I haven't seen anything about her being a direct authority figure to the boy, although in addition to staff training she did some tutoring of students, so she could have know him through that. At this point, it could be like banging the high school janitor in the broom closet in-between class, and who among us hasn't done that?

199 You know why the expression "Get a room" came into existence?

200

I won't lie, when I was 16 I would have hit it,

Especially when you realize the mug shot pic at the article was this lady at her *worst*. Fun and joke aside, young men and women are different, and "feminist" dogma is debunked with situations like this.

201 The difference, if you will, between calling a Liberal "pinko commie scum" (usually a pejorative) and "idiot" (usually a descriptor).

All pinko commie scum are idiots, but not all idiots are pinko commie scum.

kidney--yeah, but you know what I mean. They see a never-ending supply of tax dollars available for crap.

202 Dagny, abortion and the Pill have divorced sex from its procreative primary purpose. And left us with a mess. Yes, but in all honesty, the "old world" had its own share of problems: pervasive body-lice, bubonic plague, sepsis, rampant gonorrhea and other venereal diseases, sky-high rates of death in childbirth (for both child and mother), sky-high infant mortality, etc. (Though I'd still need to be convinced that arranged marriages aren't a better way to do it than the higgledy-piggledy way we do it now. Left to their own devices, young people often make really shitty choices.) Whatever we've lost thanks to modern medicine, we've gained far more. Of course, the problem remains that once women gain a measure of independence -- being able to procure birth-control, enter the workplace, etc. -- the birthrate in that place tends to plummet below replacement rate, and the nuclear family unit tends to fracture as the woman (the traditional center of the household) leaves. We still haven't quite figured that one out yet.

203 At this point, it could be like banging the high school janitor in the broom closet in-between class, and who among us hasn't done that?

She was my cousin's babysitter before she got the school gig--would have been like banging family.  Eeew.

204 She should be punished. Each citizen should get a chance to spank her.

205

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 12:19 PM (8y9MW)

Interesting... Jerk is a descriptor???

Idiot, which used to have a legal definition, can be used against people as a descriptor of fact, even though you have no proof of that status... and are thus making a potentialy unfounded accusation of a status?

But its NOT calling someone a name?

/head spins....

206 Glenn Beck hires SE Cupp. (no moron E-cup jokes please)

207 211 Glenn Beck hires SE Cupp. (no moron E-cup jokes please)

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 12:28 PM (0Hp4r)

Party pooper...

208

196 I'm making the point that usually you don't have really guilt free consensual sex if you're needing booze as part of the foreplay.  I'm just going off personal experience: never needed booze to get the job done; did witness people using booze to try and get the job though...they're intentions were usually not very pure.

203 If you are a married woman, 30ish, with a family, who works in education, then you are an authority figure to a 16 yo. (and I'm not buying she didn't know how old he was, just like I'm not really buying the "only had a sip" thing...but maybe I'm all wrong).

Romeo -- I don't know about 20 years, but she does deserve more than a slap on the wrist for this, and has been mentioned: we don't know all the particulars to this case; maybe there's more to it that caused this decision to be made?

209

Of course, the problem remains that once women gain a measure of independence -- being able to procure birth-control, enter the workplace, etc. -- the birthrate in that place tends to plummet below replacement rate, and the nuclear family unit tends to fracture as the woman (the traditional center of the household) leaves. We still haven't quite figured that one out yet.

I'm only about half convinced that's not a tax increase scheme.

210

--So you're saying that, because men can't get pregnant, there is no reason they shouldn't be as promiscuous as possible?  This might surprise you, but Casa Nova is not actually universally revered among men.

No.  I'm saying that the physical nature of sex and each gender's role in it makes for a natural organization that is different between males and females.

--Even if you're right about the emotional part (I don't think you are, btw, but I'll grant it for now) there are also important societal and moral considerations, and consequences in both of those spheres from this kind of relationship.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (8y9MW)

This teacher should be fired and not allowed to teach kids, but that is about the extent of it.  She isn't a danger to society.  If the boy had been 13 or younger, that's a different story.

Look, I taught university classes and understood full well that it was just wrong to have any relationships with students in my classes (even though they were all of age).  Not only was it low for me to take advantage of my position, but it was unfair to others in class if one student is screwing around with the instructor.  That part, teacher/student relations, I agree with you on.  It's the idea that a 16 year old is traumatized or that males and females should be treated the same in sexual situations that I find odd and totally unnatural.

211 185
I suppose that is theoretically true HeatherRadish, but I doubt that infinite taxation is possible in fact.
Posted by: kidney at January 31, 2011 12:16 PM (ENRGu)

We'll just see about that, buckeroo.

212 I don't think this experience will have the same effect on the male student as it would on the female. There will definitely be some psycological issues however. The male kid won't be in therepy crying, he'll be a hero to his male peers and come to expect this sort of behavior with women. When it doesn't happen, that's when the psycological issues come to the fore, he begins to resent women. Wouldn't be surprised if in the end, it's found that boys who have sex in high school with female teachers are apt to be more abusive and prone to rape.

213 I agree but I also include abortion in this. The historic reason for not having random indiscreet sex is gone.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 12:17 PM (0Hp4r)

Abortion only handles one part of the sexual environment.  It is still only women who can get pregnant.  The fact is that women will always be the bottleneck of population - i.e. men are almost insignificant in terms of growing the population, as one man can impregnate 1000 women but each woman can only give birth once a year.  If one wants to see the health of a population, one needs to look at its women, not its men.  The gender roles with respect to sex, even with abortion, are still not even close to equivalent. 

214

Glenn Beck hires SE Cupp. (no moron E-cup jokes please)

SE announced this last week.

Sex with a teacher at 16 would have had zero negative effects on me...unless she was really, really hot.  Then I'd have developed unreasonable standards.

215 A sixteen year old in the back of a car?  

Classy.

No doubt she drives a Subaru.

216

Pfew! Gee, Romeo, I'm glad that you got the brunt of Allen's sanctimoneousness.

BTW, I could tell that you were a misogynist the first time that you posted here.

217 ...SE Cupp should be given the job of Bitch Slapping Beck everytime he starts crying.

218 An article with a full body shot is here.

Doll the woman up a bit and she could pass for a moronette. So yes, the kid is going to have a sore arm from all the high-fives.

The problem is that from what I can tell, she is married and has two children. So he can ALSO walk around knowing that he was part of a family going to pieces. Also, her husband may be a big dweeb- doesn't matter if he's holding a gun. And he WILL be out to get this kid.

219

BTW, I could tell that you were a misogynist the first time that you posted here.

^{Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 12:45 PM (sYrWB)}

Hey!  Look who's back.  

You know how you can tell a beta-male? 

They accuse other men of being  misogynists.

220 Is that a "Duh" from garret?  Or is he putting us on? NOBODY is that dumb and dense. 

221 "I know a lot of the Morons will joke about this and that's okay, but this crap hurts boys emotionally just as much as the opposite situation hurts girls, if not in the same way. It produces a callousness toward women in these boys. " No it doesn't. Not even close. If anything, it improves their self-esteem. Exact opposite for girls.

222 Maybe the 16 year just had some instruction in sex ed class and wanted to put it to use?  I find it quite amazing that public schools can actually distribute condoms to 12 year olds, helping young girls get the pill and have abortions, which are all far, far, far worse and far more offensive than a 16 year old guy getting laid by an older lady.

223 I think the kid initially told the cop that he was 20 - not the teacher.  The article is telling how the cop caught them in the car and he initially said he was 20.  It does not say the teacher thought he was 20.

224 This happens because society does not expect women to control themselves.  By giving in to the shrieking harridans of the left, and allowing women total freedom -- including freedom from responsibility -- the entire concept of self control is gone.

Thanks, Gloria, Andrea and Catherine!

225 7 I know a lot of the Morons will joke about this and that's okay, but this crap hurts boys emotionally just as much as the opposite situation hurts girls, if not in the same way. It produces a callousness toward women in these boys. [...]

Posted by: baldilocks at January 31, 2011 10:29 AM (T2/zQ)

Correct. It should be the years of rejection and general disdain that causes callousness toward women.

226 "By the way, in the debate over whether males are damaged in any way in these instances one factor has been missing: pregnancy. Imagine this chick gets pregnant and has the baby. TA DA! You are now a dad at 16." Well, the problem there is teenage sex period, not adult woman/teenage boy sex.

227 I googled huntsman + rove and this came up.

228 Correct. It should be the years of rejection and general disdain that causes callousness toward women.

Well, that's what caused my callousness.

229 221

Pfew! Gee, Romeo, I'm glad that you got the brunt of Allen's sanctimoneousness.

BTW, I could tell that you were a misogynist the first time that you posted here.

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 12:45 PM (sYrWB)

 

I don't know if having the dipshit that believed Will Folks and basically called Nikki Haley a dirty slut is someone to decide whether someone is a missogynist or not.  Unless you subscribe to the belief of "takes one to know one"

230 NOBODY is that dumb and dense.

Irony, it's like silvery, only rust colored.

231 Doll the woman up a bit and she could pass for a moronette.
Posted by: Sock Puppy



Kinda got a chubby Denise Crosby thing going, without the hard edges.

Seen worse.

232 I heard that Obamacare was on death watch. A death panel of 1 judge to rule.

233

I know a lot of the Morons will joke about this and that's okay, but this crap hurts boys emotionally just as much as the opposite situation hurts girls, if not in the same way. It produces a callousness toward women in these boys. "

Much as I like Juliette "baldilocks" Ochieng (sp?), not so much.

234

Society protects girls more than boys.  Always has.  The attempt, these days, to view girls and boys the same way is totally unnatural and will not end well.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer's 3rd, And Last, Brain Cell at January 31, 2011 12:07 PM (AK0dh)

What if it's a thirty year old man doinking a sixteen year old boy?  Is that acceptable?  Since boys don't need protection from thirty year olds and all...

This has nothing to do with the gender of the victim.  Unfortunately, the 'attaboy' behavior here has everything to do with the gender of perpetrator and her attractiveness.

The rule of law is about applying the law to everybody.  When certain people get a pass - like, statutory rape laws don't apply to women - that will not end well.

235 "Romeo, I think the big difference here is that this did not involve two consenting adults -- there was a big age difference and a big difference in social roles. They were not equals." Lovers don't have to be equals. What a silly argument. And I don't see how much of a difference it would have made if he was 18. Would we still be calling him a "boy" if the age of consent in his state was 21? Personally, I don't think you become an adult until you are working and living on your own.

236 I love how there's no hue&cry against the teacher unions for all this sexual abuse. These public school teachers are making those pedophile priests look like total punters. Up your game pervert priests!

237

Buzzion, you weirdo, Romeo knows that I was joking. If you had been following the discussion, you would have known it, too.

You're very sick; still obsessing after me for all of these months. Get a life, you creepy loser.

238

What if it's a thirty year old man doinking a sixteen year old boy?  Is that acceptable?  Since boys don't need protection from thirty year olds and all...

Ah, but in a homosexual situation, the 16 year old boy "becomes the girl" in effect.

Which is also why changing the definition of marriage is problematic....

239 240 "Romeo, I think the big difference here is that this did not involve two consenting adults -- there was a big age difference and a big difference in social roles. They were not equals."

Lovers don't have to be equals. What a silly argument. And I don't see how much of a difference it would have made if he was 18. Would we still be calling him a "boy" if the age of consent in his state was 21? Personally, I don't think you become an adult until you are working and living on your own.

Posted by: gar at January 31, 2011 01:06 PM (6ffcS)

Um in certain aspects they do.  Like they have to be equals under the law pertaining to age of consent.  I wouldn't have a speeding ticket doing 65 in a 55 either if the speed limit was 65 in my state. 

240 So Brian, what did you do to get ace to unban you?  Lie about being wrongfully banned and caught up in a spam filter?

241

More of your senseless blathering. I'm sure that your creepy comments make perfect sense to you, schmuck. But they won't make any sense to any rational person.

242 Ah, but in a homosexual situation, the 16 year old boy "becomes the girl" in effect.

Okay, a thirty year old transexual teacher having sex with a 16 year old boy.

Or a thirty year old female teacher having sex with a 16 year old girl.

Maybe it's better to just not let teachers have sex with 16 year olds, and to prosecute them all the same, and to accept that some perpetrator/victim combinations can cause really bad trauma to the victim.

243 "What if it's a thirty year old man doinking a sixteen year old boy? Is that acceptable? Since boys don't need protection from thirty year olds and all..." If the boy was raped, the perp should be locked up. Being raped* by a woman wouldn't be painful. Coercive yes, but not painful and it wouldn't cause nearly as much as psychological trauma. It was consensual, I'd say lock him up too but knowing how fucked up the gay community is, I don't think the victim would think it was a big deal if he identified as gay. *Woman on Man rape exists in South Africa and it is surprisingly coercive but he women have to attack in packs.

244 You know its really funny how the only way you know how to insult anyone is to accuse them of being insane.  Meanwhile you claim that there are "2 to 5" people using your computer to comment and you have the "integrity" to not use sockpuppets, but that's all you used to do.  And all of the "2 to 5" people just happened to be away for 4 months after ace smacked your ass down.

245 *Woman on Man rape exists in South Africa and it is surprisingly coercive but he women have to attack in packs.

Scared stiff?

246 Her LinkedIn site no longer exists.

Me sad.

247 blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada (yawn)

248

If the boy was raped, the perp should be locked up. Being raped* by a woman wouldn't be painful. Coercive yes, but not painful and it wouldn't cause nearly as much as psychological trauma. It was consensual, I'd say lock him up too but knowing how fucked up the gay community is, I don't think the victim would think it was a big deal if he identified as gay.

*Woman on Man rape exists in South Africa and it is surprisingly coercive but he women have to attack in packs.

Posted by: gar at January 31, 2011 01:18 PM (6ffcS)

The boy was raped.  There is no way for you to avoid calling it rape.

249

Okay, a thirty year old transexual teacher having sex with a 16 year old boy.

Or a thirty year old female teacher having sex with a 16 year old girl.

Maybe it's better to just not let teachers have sex with 16 year olds, and to prosecute them all the same, and to accept that some perpetrator/victim combinations can cause really bad trauma to the victim.

No disagreement there. I'm just saying the *impact* will be different depending upon the participants...

250 It produces a callousness toward women in these boys. I tend to agree with this. All you have to do is look at the popular culture -- women have bought in to the casual-sex culture in full, but are being terribly injured by it (in my view). "Familiarity breeds contempt" has never been as true as it is in this area. What man will marry a woman who gives it away (and not only to him, but to nearly all comers)? And a man will have sex with this girl, but will not respect her -- I guarantee it. And consider: these days, kids have no filters. Everything goes on Facebook or the cellphone or whatever. That "tender moment" that she and her boyfiend immortalized on the cellphone video will lurk on the Internet forever and ever, dogging her every step -- every relationship, every interaction, for as long as she's alive. The male won't suffer the same fate -- it's not fair, but that's the way it is. And I'm not even getting into the damage it does to the family unit. Forget illigitimacy for the moment; I read a scarifying statistic somewhere that up to 70% of all African-American female pregnancies end in abortion. 70%. And it's not driven by ideological concerns, but socioeconomic ones. The men aren't around -- they're out being players, or in jail. Birth control is no help; it could hardly be easier to procure or use, but human nature is constant, which means that lots of unexpected pregnancies still happen. In fact, there is another odd statistic -- unwanted/unexpected pregnancies and unwed mothers are far more comment among the poor folk than richer ones, regardless of political affiliation. Marriage is becoming something that only rich folks do. This is profoundly disturbing about what it says about our society -- males who have boiled their existence down to hanging out with their friends and scoring easy sex with willing girls, and girls who give away sex indiscriminately under the presumption that this "empowers" them somehow. The damage is real, long-lasting, and substantial, for both sexes...but by the time it manifests itself, it's usually too late to do anything about it.

251 "Um in certain aspects they do. Like they have to be equals under the law pertaining to age of consent. I wouldn't have a speeding ticket doing 65 in a 55 either if the speed limit was 65 in my state. " In social aspects they don't. And if 18 or 21 is the magic number, then why isn't it universal instead of changing from state to state? What makes the teens in Iowa so different from the teens in Idaho that they need different age limits for each state?

252 So why is a UK paper running this story?  Are there no newspapers in CO that cover hot boy/woman sex in a car with Valu Rite?

Maybe they were on there way to a Obama rally?

253 "The boy was raped. There is no way for you to avoid calling it rape." I said to lock him up either way. Even if it was consensual, it would cause damage to the boy. The problem is the gay community, who are constantly agitating for lowering the age of consent.

254 Are there no newspapers in CO that cover hot boy/woman sex in a car with Valu Rite?

Their reporters are still in Alaska, because of the vitriol.

255 She WAS maintaining a professional distance from her client.  It's a question of which profession we're talking about.

256

BTW, I could tell that you were a misogynist the first time that you posted here.

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 12:45 PM (sYrWB)

And Miscogony, by definition, is the HATRED of women...

Problem is that I adore women... enough to be upfront and tell them the truth..

But for that... and being an Unrepetent MAN, who does not think like certain other Males... one who belives that Men and Women ARE different, and Via La Difference! I'm called names which are an insult in our society...

 

257 Here from a story in CO, more details.  See if you can spot a problem?

Mountain View High School instructor Courtney Bowles, 31, bought the booze, picked up the unnamed boy and parked her blue Subaru in North Lake Park about 10:40 p.m. Friday, the report says.

OK, the bold gives it away, obviously she is bi.  No straight people drive Lesbarus.

258 256 "Um in certain aspects they do. Like they have to be equals under the law pertaining to age of consent. I wouldn't have a speeding ticket doing 65 in a 55 either if the speed limit was 65 in my state. "

In social aspects they don't. And if 18 or 21 is the magic number, then why isn't it universal instead of changing from state to state? What makes the teens in Iowa so different from the teens in Idaho that they need different age limits for each state?

Posted by: gar at January 31, 2011 01:23 PM (6ffcS)

I'm not talking socially.  I'm talking legally.  It essentially is an arbitrary number decided by the law that says "In this situation you are equals."   Age of consent, speed limit.  Is there really much different between the interstates in Idaho or Iowa that they can have different speed limits?

Or is it just that you're upset that you can't tap any of those cheerleaders at the high school basketball game? 

259

No disagreement there. I'm just saying the *impact* will be different depending upon the participants...

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 31, 2011 01:23 PM (ujg0T)

This I agree with; as in all things human, different people will react to different things in different ways.  And it won't always be apparent immediately just what the impact will be for a given individual.  But to act as if this is a victimless crime is just daft imo.  The purported adult was in the wrong here and any attempt to make the 16 year old to not be a victim, even if he was already a fucking hound, is an obtuse way of thinking.

100% chance the teacher's union goes to bat for this scrunt.

260 Shouldn't her name be S.B. Cupp?

261

But to act as if this is a victimless crime is just daft imo.  The purported adult was in the wrong here and any attempt to make the 16 year old to not be a victim, even if he was already a fucking hound, is an obtuse way of thinking.

Kudos to Monty for spelling out how the male participants, and the broader society, are harmed.

262 I never knew there were that many women out there who loved premature ejaculation...I mean these kids are all hormones and testosterone and  fire off at the touch. 

263 Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 12:45 PM (sYrWB)

Bzzt.  Sanctimony requires that I don't hold myself to the same moral standard.  At worst, you can only get me for "moralizing," and I don't mind that one bit.

I used to, by the way.  I used to be a "don't judge" type who thought "free will, they can make their own choices, they know themselves best..." then I watched all (yep, all) my friends from High School self destruct within two years of HS graduation. 

Why didn't I?  Moral rules from which I did not deviate.  So, you'll excuse me if I believe morals are a concrete thing about which one can be right or wrong, not some abstract thing about which people can simply have "opposing views."

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 01:30 PM (AdK6a)

You're absolutely right.  Men and Women are different.  That doesn't change the gravity of sexual relationships or the care one should take in having them.  It also doesn't change the fact that "hookups" are inherently misogynistic.  Since the only real threat of consequence (short of legal proceedings) is to the woman, any man looking for casual sex is using a woman like he would an inanimate object.

You don't have to avoid something to hate it.  Indeed, hate is often worst when it is hidden by what one thinks is affection.

264 It also doesn't change the fact that "hookups" are inherently misogynistic.  Since the only real threat of consequence (short of legal proceedings) is to the woman, any man looking for casual sex is using a woman like he would an inanimate object.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 01:48 PM (8y9MW)

Hmmmm.... so in your view, a Woman, who wants to "hook up", Hates Women?

Because that is what Miscogynistic means...

You keepa using that word.... I don't think it means what you think it means...

265 any man looking for casual sex is using a woman like he would an inanimate object.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 01:48 PM (8y9MW)

 

No, Allen, they're very animated. But if they were inanimate, that would be okay, too.

266 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 02:00 PM (AdK6a)

Or something like that.  It could, actually, be just that.  Or, from the woman, it could be misanthropy (though that's used much more generally to mean "hatred of people" instead of "hatred of men").  However, since what we were talking about here was the behavior of men seeking to hook up (and, your behavior specifically), I felt safe enough using the word which described my evaluation of your behavior (and, based on your defense thereof, character).

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 02:09 PM (sYrWB)

The prosecution rests, your honor.

267

#230 Correct. It should be the years of rejection and general disdain that causes callousness toward women.

That's pretty much what did it to me.

268

The prosecution rests, your honor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 02:15 PM (8y9MW)

Ah... so anyone, man or woman, who does not aggree with your puritanical value system about SAFE sex... hates women...

/looks around for the Fonzie and the Shark Tank....

269 shouldn't teachers go through psychological testing just like police officers?

Yeah, about that...

I took some courses at my local U with an eye towards getting certified when I was fresh out of College and there were some current teachers in the courses with me getting their CE credits.

The combination of the content of the courses and the character of my someday "peers" turned me off of working in public education forever.

A room full of apathetic or hostile teenage gangbangers not too hot on Pre-Algebra or Geometry?  I can work with that (and have!).

I knew I would inevitably lose my shit someday in the faculty lounge though...

(And this, in my early 20's, "all people are basically decent and mean to do well" phase!)

All platitudes about "underpaid, dedicated, only in it because they lurve the children so" (Shaddup!  I've had more than my share when I was a kid.  I know they're real.) aside, the "adults" populating most of our schools on any given day are, by and large, the most abysmally ignorant, spiritually defective bunch of clock-punchers as you are ever likely to encounter, as a group.

I blame the Ed schools. 

Take some, too dim for real academics, but well intentioned and bright enough kids and stuff their heads full of nonsense and this is what you get!

Meh.

I content myself with hand-holding through Calculus and whatnot, the occasional stray that seeks to gain the credentials needed to teach 2ndary Math through our local Hippy College.  (Yeah, it happens.  Freaks those patchouli soaked enviro-nuts, right the fuck out but 'Hey!  We are pretending to be an academic institution and not just a cargo cult aren't we? Says so on our brochures!')

They won't let me oversee any more theses though...

They know better now, after my first two "mentees".

Dangerous, dangerous ideas being promulgated but who you gonna call?

(Seriously, they don't have anyone in their entire organization, on either campus, competent enough to pick up the phone and answer a question about an Algebra assignment.  Tells me something.  That right there.)

Pay is ridiculous.  But I don't "mentor" future Math teachers for the Benjamins and we all know that.

I do it for REVENGE!!!!!

270 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 02:27 PM (AdK6a)

Pretty well, yes.  Oh, I don't doubt there are exceptions, but I imagine they're statistically insignificant.

And who said anything about safe sex?  I'm talking about a moral truth, here.

271 In most states, the age of consent does not come into play when talking about a teacher/student situation.  There are separate laws that make those relationships illegal by definition regardless of age.

Personally, I don't think these incidents are more prevalent today than in the past.  The biggest difference is that, today, when a teacher boffs a student in Colorado, Dave in Texas hears about it immediately.  In the old communications era, we would never hear of these things because they were local and there was no internet to spread them.  The same goes for child abduction.  It seems worse now because we hear about every one of them through the news or the internet.  In the past, we only knew of the ones happening locally.

272 This 16 year old will have a helluva story to top when he and his fellow college freshman start telling war stories about their high school times. 

273 66 So my admonition to not fall in love with a girl until she's marching down the aisle toward him with me smiling in the pews and even then........does that promote callousness toward women?

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:00 AM (0Hp4r)

As long as she's not his HS teacher, no.  (Not quite getting the question.)

274

No, it really doesn't.  This is part of the lack of parity between the sexes.  it mirrors the lack of parity in the different roles each has in sex and the lack of parity in the possible consequences of sex.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer's 3rd, And Last, Brain Cell at January 31, 2011 11:01 AM (AK0dh)

Maybe it doesn't *feel* painful to the boy when he becomes a man, but it will to the women who try to love him.  He'll have trouble trusting the good ones, which, in the long run, hurt him.

275 But, when I'm 16 and she's 31, I'm a victim that's traumatized and in need of some kind of professional help. I call mega-Bullshit....

Posted by: Joejm65 at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (FaJtc)

I think that's mega bullshit too.  Good thing no one said that but you.

276 When you and Brian doink somebody, it could be "just for fun," but that is not (whatever you've been told) the "normal" attitude.  That is an animalistic thing, and giving into those desires is giving up the very thing that makes humans different from animals: the ability to delay- or even completely deny- gratification.

Inasmuch as the family unit is the primary building block of society- anything that harms that foundation is bad for society.  Guys getting their rocks off with the nearest thing with two legs and possibly functional mammaries is incredibly destructive to the family unit.

Or had you missed the posts about the destruction of the Black family?





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