1 Zzzz-Paw!

2

figures I'd score a first on a Zzz-Paw thread.

50 comments or bust.

3 We got Paw-len-tee o' nothin' and nothin's Paw-len-tee fo' me....

4 Does he have relatives in Ireland?

5 Typical. Bring a Pawlenty to a Palin fight.

6 So here it is: Government money isn't "free." Either you and I pay for it in taxes, or our children pay for it in debt. The reforms we need are not in the billions, but in the trillions of dollars. And the cuts we must make cannot just be in other people's favorite programs That's fucking RINO talk.

7 Happy Victoria Day, Morons.

8

The left wants to select the Republican candidate.  IMIO, they know that a Cain ticket would be devastating to their lying narrative of the right being racists.  A Cain/West ticket would mean never again could they even mention it.

9 Why do you hate Sarah Palin, Drew M.?

10 So here it is: Government money isn't "free."

Tpaw may just have to go fuck himself.

11 Pawlenty's tough truth talk wasn't likely to include Ethanol Subsidies

Which is why Iowa cannot play such a big role in the primaries.

12 Oh, more fuel for the fire.

AP Exclusive: Former Palin aide pens tell-all

JUNEAU, Alaska – A former member of Sarah Palin's inner circle has written a scathing tell-all, saying Palin was ready to quit as governor months before she actually resigned and was eager to leave office when more lucrative opportunities came around.

"In 2009 I had the sense if she made it to the White House and I had stayed silent, I could never forgive myself," Frank Bailey told The Associated Press.

13 Drew, I think think it would have been better for you to just write this thread up as being about Pawlenty instead of crapping the bed up with Palin stuff right off the bat.  This is actually a reasonably ballsy move by Pawlenty out of the gate and deserves its own commentary, I think.

No doubt buzzion will be here in a moment to shriek that you were the first to bring her up.

14 T-Paw isn't my first -- or even third -- choice for the nomination, but if he gets it he has my vote in November, 2012.

In fact, anyone with an R after their name gets my vote against Osama Obama. Even the reprehensible Shuckabee if he does an about-face and decides to run.

There are, after all, priorities, and the overriding consideration has to be ridding the nation of the Traitor-in-Chief.

Would I prefer Cain, West or Bolton? Damn tootin' I would. Any candidate pimped by Ed Morrissey is naturally suspect. So too are pathetic hacks like Huntsman and Mutt Romney. Nor would I be enthused about voting for Palin who, in my opinion is more of a fanboi creation than a viable candidate.

But when the choice is between an out-and-out America-hater and yet another second-class nonentity, it's the nonentity all the way.

15 @Truman North

Drew hates Sarah Palin because she's a f-cking moron.

16 A Cain/West ticket would mean never again could they even mention it.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 23, 2011 10:32 AM (jx2j9)

Right, a ticket of two hardcore conservatives with incredibly limited records. You know what else it would mean? A Mondale like wipe-out.

But hey, you'll have proven a point.

17 OMG!  Tim Pawlenty is MONTY!

18 I couldn't vote for Huckabee.  He would be exactly as bad as Obama, and there would be many Republicans who wouldn't speak out against him.

19

Posted this on the Doom thread but it's more appropriate here.

I didn't like Pawlenty a year ago but he has since repudiated his stance on man-made global warming. I still have my concerns, one of the major ones being that catchphrases like "I get it," "telling the truth to the American people," and others in that vein have been focus grouped and approved by cretins like Frank Luntz. My worry here is that Pawlenty is simply mouthing phrases that test well. I hope this is not the case.

Now if he actually goes out and starts saying the same types of things that Christie and Ryan are saying, then I will take a closer look at him.

20

 Either you and I pay for it in taxes, or our children pay for it in debt.

Statements like this would be easier to take if the huge governement CUTS were mentioned first.  It is hard for me to take any candidate seriously that doesn't  recognize it is a spend problem FIRST.

21 I miss smoking in bars...Or at least the owners being able to choose

22 Posted by: DrewM. at May 23, 2011 10:36 AM (WnQJ3)

Pawlenty/West 2012

A milquetoast and a firebrand. Not a bad combination.

23 ...and yeah, I know he eventually gets to the cuts.  That I do like.

24 Well, I guess he has my vote. If he doesn't back-pedal his subsidy 'hard truth', that is.

Ioway evangelical corn-farmers are going to have to face their own hard truths in the primary: whom do they love more: God(here represented by evangelical Pawlenty) or Mammon(here represented by Newt/Bachmann and about everyone else in favor of those sweet, sweet subsidies).

25 @25 Great pairing, on so many levels.

26 A serious question - not trying to hide an agenda (I don't have one):

Has T Paw done anything to show he is now firmly against green energy initiatives, global warming legislation, more control by the EPA?  I know he has said it, but has he done anything to prove it?

Has he urged the Minn. legislature to draft legislation that stops all the bullshit regulations, etc that he helped put into place?

27 Doesn't matter who runs.  These hacks don't stand a chance against a sitting POTUS that has a personal approval rating of over 70%.  Masses of people who disagreed with Ronald Reagan's policies still voted for him...because they liked him as a person and wanted him as the face of their country.  Obama has the same thing going for him.

Of course, Barack Obama is also black, meaning he's got about half the country wanting him hung from a maple tree, so that doesn't help.  Just being honest with you retards here.  I'm sure you all agree with that half of the country - but you're not racist of course.

28 29, Nope, he just said oooops, my bad.

29

I saw him on the Daily Show a few months back and he handled himself very well with John Stewart who is normally a dirty cunt to all things not left wing.

 

He's a very good conversationalist.

I've never seen him give a speech or debate. I will be interested to see how he does.

He's my defacto candidate  right now considering I won't vote for Romney, Gingrich, Santorum or Ron Paul.

I'm not sold on Herman Cain, he seems like a good guy but has no political experience. While I personally consider that a good thing, in reality you have to be somewhat good a politicking if you're going to run for the highest office in America. And i'm not convinced he won't be gaffe prone.  And let's face it, if you though the media was bad in 2008, it's going to be muuuuuch worse in 2012. The mask is totally off and Obama is their man, a failure of him to get re-elected is a failure for them and they won't let that happen.

 

So I guess Pawlenty is my guy unless someone else gets in the race. I would love for Paul Ryan to jump in, or ever Christie, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

30 I love the Marine component.

31 That's why later this week I'm going to New York City to tell Wall Street that if I'm elected, the era of bailouts and handouts for big banks is over. I'm going to Florida to tell both young people and seniors that our entitlement programs are on an unsustainable path and have to be changed. And, today, I'm in Iowa to speak truthfully about farm subsidies.

--All right Timmeh, you have my attention.

32 And yes, I know the guy that spams every thread with a dubiously sourced quote will show up

I don't think so. He's currently in 3rd period gym class right now.

33 As a voter concerned with my children and grandchildrens availability to cheap and safe high speed rail round-trip from new jersey to the secret moon-base,  I am supporting Joe Biden in 2012 as the right man for the job.

Random concerned citizen
Joe nediB

34

Posted by: DrewM. at May 23, 2011 10:36 AM (WnQJ3)

If current history means squat, your argument is meaningless.  The thesis that candidates must have vast experience as politicians in order to be successful is equally idiotic based on history from at least the 20th century.  Of course, those of you who know better will continue to insist that what got us to this point is the only thing that will get us out of this.  Lecture away, Drew.

35

@15

In fact, anyone with an R after their name gets my vote against Osama Obama.

I have to respectfully disagree.  I think there is plenty of empirical proof that just having an "R" after a politician's name is no guarranty that they will have fiscal discipline or not support progressive social-engineering policy.  A Republican of that stripe is worse than useless; he or she will actively continue down the road that is dooming the republic.

We need a candidate that will provide a stark contrast to Obama.  Interestingly, it seems that the RINOish candidates aren't getting any traction and are rapidly dropping out.

36 30, This is either a really stupid troll or a really clever sock.

37 Things would have been so much simpler if the World has indeed ended

38

Right of Return?

You can't return a Pizza.  Sorry. 

39 OT

I am still gob-smacked over BO's comments today. These statements make me sick:  (Why the hell is he proud of the queen? He is listening to the common folk?!)

"I think, what the Queen symbolizes - not just to Great Britain but to the entire Commonwealth and obviously the entire world - is the best of England. And we're very proud of her" Politico quoted Obama, as saying.

"One of the great aspects of this job is it gives you an opportunity to meet with people from all walks of life. You've had a chance to talk to the Queen of England on one day, and the next day you have the chance to talk to somebody in a diner off a highway here in the United States. And what you find is that there's a lot of wisdom to be found - if you're willing to listen.

And I think most politicians spend most of their time talking instead of listening. That's a habit that I try to break," he added.

40 And yes, I know the guy that spams every thread with a dubiously sourced quote will show up and so will the folks who say, "He's an AGW believer!". The AGW stuff is a fair point but on the upside, it's not like even if he still supported it there's a chance in hell of it coming out of Congress.

--And when you get down to it, same goes for a presidential candidate's abortion beliefs.  The key with both issues is what kind of judges and administrators the guy will nominate.

41 Hi, wingnuts.  This is Michelle and Barry, sayin' that your rethug flaws don't enamor them to america at all. Come on over to the beautiful people. Lavish in Clearasil.

42 >>>JUNEAU, Alaska – A former member of Sarah Palin's inner circle has written a scathing tell-all, saying Palin was ready to quit as governor months before she actually resigned and was eager to leave office when more lucrative opportunities came around.

Well here I am violating my own previous post...but I told you so.  I mean, does this really shock anyone?  Anyone not living in a fantasy world of Saint Sarah the Unimpeachable?  Of COURSE she wanted to bail out of real world responsibilities in order to make millions of dollars.  Who wouldn't?  I sure as hell would.  She sure as shit didn't resign out of virtuous principle or because she was "forced to" by all those horrible horrible ethics complaints.

Incidentally, that's why she won't run.  She's stoking the fires, but she's playing her devoted fans for sucker rubes.  She's not running.  She wants money, money, money, attention, power, and money in that order.  She ain't gonna get it by slogging through a campaign where she will be ripped to shreds by all sides on the merits.

43 What time does Bibi give another epic smack-down of Barky O'Doofus?

44 If you people nominate this half a douche rag from Minnesota to run against Obama, you've got no one to blame but yourselves.

Couldn't find a more boring guy.  At least make 2012 interesting and entertaining, will you guys?  I'll send money to Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann, just for the nightly ripping by Jon Stewart.

45 46 What time does Bibi give another epic smack-down of Barky O'Doofus? Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 23, 2011 10:48 AM (UOM4 Not soon enough.

46 I'll be duly impresses if he tells Iowans the ethanol subsidy gravy train won't be stopping there no more..

47 Ace really is the place to get some great political insight.  Watching how this shapes up, I'm going to just shut up, and read the comments till we get to the primary.

Once we get past that point, as Wizbang mentioned yesterday.....
It's not about the best person for the job. It's about the best person who is running for the job.

Keep posting, and keep educating me.
And I mean exactly that. No snark intended.

48 @47  Okay.  Who's the sock? 

49 Posted by: Jeff B. at May 23, 2011 10:47 AM (hIWe1)

All plausible and possibly true. But...she is also damned good at beating the snot out of Obama (pbuh) in 140 characters or less. That is a tremendous advantage for the Republican party.

50 45, I disagree, I know you are smart enough to distance yourself from a disgruntled employees tell all book. It will be in the $2 bin at Barnes and Noble in a couple of weeks.

51 JeffB is an Adult Baby.

52 >>>I'll be duly impresses if he tells Iowans the ethanol subsidy gravy train won't be stopping there no more..

He won't be winning Iowa in the general election in that case, but I'm okay with that -- I had written off from the outset.

53

Has T Paw done anything to show he is now firmly against green energy initiatives, global warming legislation, more control by the EPA?  I know he has said it, but has he done anything to prove it?

Probably not, at least that I'm aware of, but we have to take into account what is required of someone who is governing a liberal state.

For example look at Democratic governors in the south(when they exist), then tend to be further to the right than the democratic establishment would like. Not neccasarily because they are ideologically more conservative, but because their state is and they have to reflect that to some degree if they wish to remain in office.

Minnsota is a liberal state. We're talking about the only state not to vote for Reagan in 1984.

Pawlenty, i'm guessing here, had to be a little more liberal on policy that he probably is ideologically because that is what is required in a left leaning state.

Now if he were president, would he carry on those policies, I don't know and I don't think so.

Ace has made this point before on Obama. Do you think Obama ideologically is further left than his policies? Yes of course.  However because america is a center right country, he can only get away with so much.

54 30 Doesn't matter who runs.  These hacks don't stand a chance against a sitting POTUS that has a personal approval rating of over 70%.  Masses of people who disagreed with Ronald Reagan's policies still voted for him...because they liked him as a person and wanted him as the face of their country.  Obama has the same thing going for him.

Can you even write this with a straight face?  Let's play compare and contrast of 1983/1984 with 2011/2012. 

Short version - Reagan wouldn't have won 49 states in 1984 if all he had was a great mug for the camera. 

55 Why aren't you cons clamoring for Pawlenty's birth certificate? Could it be cause' he's white?

56 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 23, 2011 10:50 AM (UOM4

If it's a sock it's being hidden well. (S)he is using another hash.

57 >>>45, I disagree, I know you are smart enough to distance yourself from a disgruntled employees tell all book. It will be in the $2 bin at Barnes and Noble in a couple of weeks.

Wait, is the same "tell-all" book as was being talked about several months ago?  By the guy who couldn't get it published?  In that case, fuck this guy, I don't trust him for shit.  You're right, he's just telling me something that seems plausible enough but has no reliable proof.

Okay, back to Pawlenty.

58 I'm in the Romney camp but I like This Pawlenty statement. I believe every Republican candidate will say something similar but unfortunately it will be contrasted with the Dem message of a check in every pot. Our only hope is responsible voter turn out will be much higher than the leech for a lifetime voter.

59 Well here I am violating my own previous post...but I told you so.  I mean, does this really shock anyone?

What, that a staffer would claim Sarah! was evil?  No, you could see that coming a mile away.

I'm hardly a Sarah Palin-ite, but come on.  Staffers bring out the long knives for their former bosses all the time.

60 Sherlock won the Baftra award for best drama last night. What do you think of Moochelle's ass? Those photos posted in the other thread were, well, indescribable. Who the fuck is she to complain about other people's eating habits?

61 "The biggest problems with the internet are botnets, TCPIP/cookies, and mis-attributed quotes."   -Abraham Lincoln

62 I would have gone for 'Evil Fucking Asshole' but that's just me:

Figures. British Code Name for Obama Is “Smart Alec”

More than one person has wanted to call Barack Obama a ‘smart alec’, and now British police will get the chance to do so without getting reprimanded.

That’s because Scotland Yard has tapped the codename ‘Chalaque’ to refer to the U.S. president for security reasons during his upcoming state visit to the United Kingdom May 24-26.

Indarjit Singh, a Punjabi speaker in the UK who is director of the Network of Sikh Organisations, told the Sunday Times the word ‘is sometimes used when we want to denigrate someone who we think is too clever for their own good’.

Another Punjabi speaker told the paper the word Chalaque is ‘not considered rude’, but could be ‘mildly offensive’.

63 Posted by: Jean..not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 10:52 AM (SHvKp)

Hello fool.

64 You don't get elected by threatening to take away the bread and circuses, 52% won't have it.

65 It's quite plausible that JeffB is an adult baby.

66 If Pawlenty was to stand behind a podium in Iowa holding an ear of corn aloft and say, "Using one of these for a dildo is an old joke but you're all fucking the world with these right now."
THEN I'd have some respect for him.

67 >>>Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 23, 2011 10:53 AM (FkKjr)

You're right.  See my previous post.

68

Also,

Can I ask this question?  Why do people keep mentioning John Bolton as a candidate? I mean I love the guy and his Mustache of justice, but really? John Bolton?

It's ridiculous.  The perfect job for him is the one he was given by George Bush, which was to be at the UN.  I think that's all he's qualified for.

69 As for Pawlenty - good for him.  There's real opportunity for someone in this primary who is willing to be direct.

70 69, Well, he would probably get the ron vote but the rest of the country? Could be dicey.

71 Well here I am violating my own previous post...but I told you so.  I mean, does this really shock anyone?  Anyone not living in a fantasy world of Saint Sarah the Unimpeachable?  Of COURSE she wanted to bail out of real world responsibilities in order to make millions of dollars.  Who wouldn't?  I sure as hell would.  She sure as shit didn't resign out of virtuous principle or because she was "forced to" by all those horrible horrible ethics complaints.

Incidentally, that's why she won't run.  She's stoking the fires, but she's playing her devoted fans for sucker rubes.  She's not running.  She wants money, money, money, attention, power, and money in that order.  She ain't gonna get it by slogging through a campaign where she will be ripped to shreds by all sides on the merits.

Just wanted to repost this, because it's the only true, honest statement I've seen in this thread.  Jeff B, you are a smart, objective individual.

72 64 "The biggest problems with the internet are botnets, TCPIP/cookies, and mis-attributed quotes."   -Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Stankbraham Rincoln at May 23, 2011 10:53 AM (mLAWK)

"The worst problems with the blog are hashes, socks and 19-year old losers who live in the overweight mama's basement pounding mouth-foaming reams of disconnected drivel. Also, made-up quotes" - Thomas "I Love the Sisters" Jefferson

73 Can I ask this question?  Why do people keep mentioning John Bolton as a candidate? I mean I love the guy and his Mustache of justice, but really? John Bolton?

Do you really need to ask?  It's because he's "tough."  Seems manly. 

That's all. That's it.

74 71, Bing John Bolton Bio, then come back and rewrite your post. He's my #1 VP choice.

75 Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 10:55 AM (wuv1c)

It's like listening to sports talk radio, "Yeah, I think we should trade our back up kicker and 3rd string left guard for Tom Brady".

Just a lot of shit disconnected from reality at this point.

76 >>>Just wanted to repost this, because it's the only true, honest statement I've seen in this thread.  Jeff B, you are a smart, objective individual.

Fuck off, sockpuppet troll.  You know exactly what you're doing, too.

77 Reagan couldn't win 49 in this climate.

78 I find it "ironic" that after a lifetime in politics (drawing salary from the government) in which he favored big government spending programs, high taxes, and maximum regulation he is ready go tell the Iowans that their farm subsidies have to go.

Could this be part of the "split delegates" strategy in which he really doesn't give a shit how bad he does in Iowa since he will not lose many delegates?

Anyway, talk is cheap. It takes a damn lot of talk to undo a lifetime of liberal actions so we will see.

79 FARM subsidies?? FARM subsidies?? Well, uh....er...um. What's that?

80

Let's keep our eyes on the prize...giving Barack Obama the chance to become a terrible ex-President as soon as possible.

I must disagree on two points:

First, I support Barack Obama in his quest to become a great ex-President.

Second, I'm willing to wait until Jan. 20, 2013, for his brilliant career as ex-President to begin.

81 Ben , Bolton may not be electable but being unqualified isn't the reason. He will definitely add to the IQ and logic during the debates.

82 82 LOL

83 Say "President Pawlenty" three times fast without sounding like Elmer Fudd.  I fucking thought so.  Palin 2012.

84 I am lollin' at the sockpuppet's email address. Jackmehoffer is up there with haywood jablomi and biggus dickus. but obvious sock is obvious.

85 84 Ben , Bolton may not be electable but being unqualified isn't the reason. He will definitely add to the IQ and logic during the debates.

Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2011 10:59 AM (T8iAI)

Logic, we don't need no stinkin' logic..

86 librul -- its an Oak tree, maybe a nice Willow, not so many Maples down in the Red States

87 *this post redacted and replaced with something more intelligent* butt pudding.

88

Damn librul has posted before as "homos are sinners". 

Librul, if you're that sure you're going to win, why bother posting here?  Deep down you're nervous aren't you?  You starting to worry that Obama is the Herbert Hoover of the left.  You guys had both houses and the presidency and your greatest accomplishment is a stake in the heart of Keynesian economics. 

89 http://tinyurl.com/3noqeza "The era of small government is over . . . government has to be more proactive, more aggressive." -- Tim Pawlenty, 2006.

90 As I've mentioned before, I like boring but competent.  To defeat a weak incumbent president, you need to provide a plausible alternative.  The candidate doesn't need to be flashy or exciting - American voters simply have to be able to see him or her as a reasonable alternative to the man currently occupying the office.  People seem to believe that Obama won because he was exciting.  That's not quite the case.

Obama won because he lied his ass off about everything he was and everything he intended to do, and people believed him because he seemed a reasonable centrist.

91

45--oh nos, the guy whose gf hates Sarah is here to post on a Zzz-PAW thread. And he's still ridin the She Wont Run meme for all its worth. Sucka born every minute.

92 Guy's from MN. Get real.

93 >>>Anyway, talk is cheap. It takes a damn lot of talk to undo a lifetime of liberal actions so we will see.

How does someone with "a lifetime of liberal actions" score an A grade from the Cato Institute?  I understand he doesn't have a spotless record, but what I don't get is this need to cast him (and every other candidate) in such ridiculous maximalist terms.  I think Tim Pawlenty's political career, from pushing through concealed-carry in MN through blood-and-guts persistence in the State House, to endless veto after veto of spending bill, to shutting down the whole goddamn state government twice, doesn't exactly scream "lifetime of liberality" to me. 

And honestly, I'm pretty sure it doesn't scream that to you either.  So why do you insist on casting it in those terms?  Does it scratch some particular itch for you or something?

94 Get ready for the Good N' P'lenty Tour 2012!!!

95 And let's be honest, every one of you Morons are RINOs!

96 #97 worst candy ever. seriously. well maybe those godforsaken Necco wafers rank up there but aren't they out of business?

97 How does someone with "a lifetime of liberal actions" score an A grade from the Cato Institute?

I don't go to the fucking Cato institute to look at his goddamn record.

98

well maybe those godforsaken Necco wafers rank up there but aren't they out of business?

 

Best candy ever?  Pez.  Yeah, I'm a freak.

99 92http://tinyurl.com/3noqeza

"The era of small government is over . . . government has to be more proactive, more aggressive."
-- Tim Pawlenty, 2006.

Posted by: Dan at May 23, 2011 11:01 AM (mXBxH)

He's the guy alright.

100 99 #97
worst candy ever.

seriously.

well maybe those godforsaken Necco wafers rank up there but aren't they out of business?

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 11:03 AM (JEVge)

Nope, you can still get them at "Cracker Barrel". They stock a lot of old candies.

101 It's ridiculous. The perfect job for him is the one he was given by George Bush, which was to be at the UN. I think that's all he's qualified for. Qualified has got nothin to do with it!

102

I have one question:

Is he Barack Obama?

Good enough for me!

103

This is the kind of way many of us have been asking someone to talk about fiscal conservatism. We've spent countless threads bitching about how Republicans don't seem to want to 'talk tough' about our fiscal problems, much less 'act tough'.

That said, I'd like to get out of the one sound bite or another disqualifies/qualifies someone for consideration. It seems to be a pretty low and frivolous standard.

104
Obama won because he lied his ass off about everything he was and everything he intended to do, and people believed him because he seemed a reasonable centrist.

Posted by: Slublog at May 23, 2011 11:01 AM (0nqdj)

Don't forget the power of the "O" as in Orca.  Her thighness declared Jugears "The one we've been waiting for," her minions fainted, and he was off and running.

105 Why aren't you cons clamoring for Pawlenty's birth certificate? Could it be cause' he's white?

Posted by: Jean..not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 10:52 AM (SHvKp)

pick a new nick, dick

106 Yesterday I noted that it was unlikely that Pawlenty's tough truth talk wasn't likely to include Ethanol Subsidies or mandates. Is it just me or are there too many negatives in that sentence?

107 Sarah Palin doesn't fight , she kills.

108 #98 Well, everyone is suspect when its comes to squishism. I mean... did you know... in 2008... when his first choice dropped out... Vic backed Romney? Romney starts with the letter R. You know what else starts with the letter R? Thats right. Rino. -paid for by the Campaign to Grasp at Straws and Strawman to Make No Point Whatsoever.

109 Necco wafers rank up there but aren't they out of business?

Nope. Saw them as I was checking out at Walmart. Gagged a little when I saw them.

110 So we got to 92 posts before the BS quote was reposted.

Hey, maybe if people post it enough times I'll vote for Sarah Palin!

111 Here for the Purity Test

112 So, Pawlenty is going to run on the theme of telling people the truth? Like *that's* going to work.

113

*yawn*

114 The book is actually written by one of the people who trafficked in Trig trutherism, and other vile lies, Jean Devon, aka mudflats, in fact, another
wretched person who filed several complaints against her, Andrea McLeod,
a stooge of the oil companies, is suing the former for emails that they are not supposed to have, nice try, fool.

115 well maybe those godforsaken Necco wafers rank up there but aren't they out of business? NECCO is still around. SkyBar is excellent. Not sure I would go for one at this age, but childhood is not complete without a frozen Charleston Chew.

116 Damn Librul, My goal is to make sure I force you into something you are completly unfamiliar with. Something so foreign to you when you hear it's mention your head tilts to the side like a dog hearing a high pitched noise. I am going to do everything I can to make sure you put down the gameboy and get a fucking JOB.

117

"The era of small government is over . . . government has to be more proactive, more aggressive."
-- Tim Pawlenty, 2006.

ah, hahahahaha. this should be posted in the DOOM threads, along with "I like mandates" by unowho.

Where do I sign up for his campaign? Another classic blue state Republican.

118 Vic backed Romney?
Romney starts with the letter R.
You know what else starts with the letter R?

Thats right.

Rino.

Let's not forget that Ronald Reagan's name starts with two Rs.  Double-dose of RINO! 

119 For what it's worth, Sarah Palin lost me when she failed to complete at least one term as Governor. Took a boatload of political capital and pissed it away as far as I'm concerned.

120 30 Doesn't matter who runs.  These hacks don't stand a chance against a sitting POTUS that has a personal approval rating of over 70%.  Masses of people who disagreed with Ronald Reagan's policies still voted for him...because they liked him as a person and wanted him as the face of their country.  Obama has the same thing going for him.

Of course, Barack Obama is also black, meaning he's got about half the country wanting him hung from a maple tree, so that doesn't help.  Just being honest with you retards here.  I'm sure you all agree with that half of the country - but you're not racist of course.

Posted by: another damn librul at May 23, 2011 10:43 AM (ikQVp)

Mmmm. I bet that crack is delicious!

121

I want to see both Palin's and Pawlenty's long form birth certificates

We're not done with Obama's eligibility. The Constitution says the President was have attained the age of thirty-five years. But what if a person is in suspended animation, like in Demolition Man? Sure, a person can be alive for a certain number of years but doesn't actually attain the age that would normally accomapany those years. Obama has to prove that he wasn't in suspended animation! I demand to see his book reports from middle school, along with proof that he wrote them! I demand to see his second-grade macaroni art!!

122

That's the advantage of boring guys.  Seriously.  They can say controversial stuff, and nobody gets outraged.  And if nobody gets outraged, then swing voters assume it must not be controversial.

I think I'm on Team T-Paw.  Yeeha!

123 116 So, Pawlenty is going to run on the theme of telling people the truth? Like *that's* going to work.

Posted by: blaster at May 23, 2011 11:05 AM (l5dj7)

So what we need to do is find a candidate for each open office that will lie their asses off. "Yes, you can keep all your benefits". "No, I won't cut programs". "Yes, I believe in food stamps". Get them all elected and straighten everything out!

124 93
Obama won because he lied his ass off about everything he was and everything he intended to do, and people believed him because he seemed a reasonable centrist.

He was sold by the infomercial crews at respected news outlets as such.
Reasonable attention to his statements and positions verbalized at über left wing events revealed his true nature.

125 My parents from Minneapolis insist T-Paw is a more politically savvy GWB.   He built an "A" Cato record by vetoing direct tax increases, but let the Dems run roughshod over property and sales taxes and permit fees and the like.  Result: he looks great on paper, but in reality the taxpayers are suffering greatly.

126 Posted by: momma at May 23, 2011 10:46 AM (penCf)

--What an ass.

He can brag about jetsetting all over and talking to all kinds of "folks" and getting so much wisdom, but in the end he absorb fuck-all of what he hears if he does not agree with it.

Fuck him.

127 Imma let you finish, but everyone knows my candy bar was the best of all time!

128 why is the troll who says 1/2 this country wants to lynch Barry (at 30) not banned yet? I just want the marxist fired or in my wilder fantasies put in a nice safe rubber room.

129 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 23, 2011 11:06 AM (9hSKh) holy crap. You have an R and an O in your name. ...

130 >>>We're not done with Obama's eligibility. The Constitution says the President was have attained the age of thirty-five years. But what if a person is in suspended animation, like in Demolition Man? Sure, a person can be alive for a certain number of years but doesn't actually attain the age that would normally accomapany those years. Obama has to prove that he wasn't in suspended animation! I demand to see his book reports from middle school, along with proof that he wrote them! I demand to see his second-grade macaroni art!!

I read the first sentence of this post and I was gearing up to blast another stupid Birther troll.

Then it got really good.   Well played.

131 131 Imma let you finish, but everyone knows my candy bar was the best of all time!

Posted by: Reggie Jackson at May 23, 2011 11:08 AM (zgZzy)

Get in line, youngster!

132 My parents from Minneapolis insist T-Paw is a more politically savvy GWB. --- And what's wrong with that exactly?

133

Ben , Bolton may not be electable but being unqualified isn't the reason. He will definitely add to the IQ and logic during the debates.

 

Can you tell me any of Bolton's positions on anything other than the UN, Iran, or the Middle East.

Anything? The EPA? Taxes? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, guns, abortion, etc?

Again, I love the guy, he is entertaining as hell, but we're talking about the Presidency here. 

He's a great commentator on some issues, but on other issues I have no idea what he believes and I don't think anyone does.

He's a one trick pony, specifically on foreign policy, but unfortunately in 2012 foreign policy isn't going to be much of an issue. This isn't 2004.

134 And for the record, I'm on board with T-Paw and Perry - if he runs.  I think they have the best chance of beating the Zero right now.

135 Obama won because he lied his ass off about everything he was and everything he intended to do, and people believed him because he seemed a reasonable centrist.

If you don't energize people, you don't get anywhere.  Obama won because he energized lefties in the media - they are blind adherents to his religion.  The media always coddled Dems, but it sank to an unbelievable low then because they were - and remain - true believers in the cult of Obama.

A hostile media would have completely torn him to shreds.  He would have fizzled out.

136 "He built an "A" Cato record by vetoing direct tax increases, but let the Dems run roughshod over property and sales taxes and permit fees and the like." Yep. There are 50 million other ways they can drive you into the poor house besides federal taxes. This includes state and local, too.

137 >>well maybe those godforsaken Necco wafers rank up there but aren't they out of business? No, you heathen. They have been pumping them out from their factory in Revere (aka Severe) MA since the 1800s. Necco wafers are the nectar of the goods compared to Good 'N Plenty. Slublog- I have to disagree with you. There is a sizable part of the voting public that are functionally retarded. They are all about the entertainment element and the trend toward Bread and Circus campaigns is only escalating.

138 Orca will be back on lil' Barry's re-election train.  She'll remind her minions he spent his first four years in office in a "learning curve" and promise he'll ramp up the destruction of the country as promised.

139

We beat the RINO thing to death yesterday, but I think it proved something.

Reagan signed amnesty into law as President, pro-abortion legislation as governor of California, and strongly supported gun control after leaving office. He was a big supporter of the Brady Bill and even penned a latter with Carter and Ford supporting the assualt weapons ban.

Palin raised taxes on oil companies in office, supported TARP, left office early handing power to a person who walked back her main achievements, and has made numerous other public gaffes.

Why aren't Reagan and Palin RINOs in most people's minds? Because they have a strong emotional connection with a large base of voters. If Pawlenty isn't able to do that, for right or wrong, he is going to be a weaker candidate because clearly people won't have the type of connection with him that allows them to give him passes on the same kinds of faults that every other candidate has.

140

He's a one trick pony, specifically on foreign policy, but unfortunately in 2012 foreign policy isn't going to be much of an issue. This isn't 2004.

Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 11:10 AM (wuv1c)

I respectfully disagree, I think foreign policy will be a major issue when rolling defaults hit globally.

141 Incidentally, that's why she won't run.  She's stoking the fires, but she's playing her devoted fans for sucker rubes.  She's not running.  She wants money, money, money, attention, power, and money in that order.  She ain't gonna get it by slogging through a campaign where she will be ripped to shreds by all sides on the merits. ------- Heh. Your tears taste sweet. I'm sure this tell-all book will reveal a lot of what we did not know about st. Sarah /s Go support your loser candidate honey bun

142 >>>I am still gob-smacked over BO's comments today. These statements make me sick:  (Why the hell is he proud of the queen? He is listening to the common folk?!)

Nice find there.  You're right, that's amazingly tin-eared bullshit. 

Wanna bet nobody calls him on it?  (To be fair it's small beans given all the other problems with him.)

143 Anyone dissing Necco Wafers is a RINO heretic.

That is all.

144 131 Imma let you finish, but everyone knows my candy bar was the best of all time!

Posted by: Reggie Jackson at May 23, 2011 11:08 AM (zgZzy)

Damn straight. I was at opening day at Yankee stadium (not sure of the year) and they handed out two Reggie bars to everyone. Of course, people took both bars and through them on the field. Ever see an orange ball field?  Delayed the game start for hours.

145

 Bambi high centers his car at the embassy in Ireland. He must have had too much ass in the car.

http://tinyurl.com/3prg6zn

 

146 OT again (sorry-searching for tornado info and found this):

Can  you guys use your Google magic and figure out how much these pardons cost them/their families (list at link) in political donations?

Obama pardons eight: crimes include drug violations, sale of alligator hides
The new acts of presidential clemency bring to 17 the total number of pardons Mr. Obama has granted. At this same point in his presidency, George W. Bush had granted only 12 pardons.

Today's announcement of pardons came by way of a White House press release. Usually they're announced by the Department of Justice where the U.S. Pardon Attorney is based. The pardon attorney screens pardon petitions for the president and sends him recommendations for action.

The White House issued today's list of pardon recipients without further comment or explanation of the president's thinking.

147 Why are you editing my comments? I am posting nothing but the truth. Obama will win another term because you cons are all crazy racist wingnut birthers.

148 Bob Dole is a candidate who can speak truth to power. Bob Dole will give you 6 inches of rock hard truth, for four hours at minimum; that's what Bob Dole will do.

149 why is the troll who says 1/2 this country wants to lynch Barry (at 30) not banned yet? I just want the marxist fired or in my wilder fantasies put in a nice safe rubber room. It's a troll mocking lefties. Chill.

150 That money certainly is "free" if somebody else is paying for it and if your kids aren't going to be the ones paying, either, being welded to the government teat.

151 I'm not going to support any candidate for the GOP--and I don't give two-shits what "right" things they say--until they show and prove that they understand the MBM is the enemy, first and foremost, that to attack and defeat them is to attack and defeat the Dems.
And T-Paw is firmly in the camp of "well, sometimes the media can be reasonable/I need them to help me get my message out, so I got to be nice" death spiral.

This is going to be the most lopsided fight in history until we get someone who will fight back. And T-Paw (and I don't care that he was just trying to score points against Palin, that's fine, she has her flaws) has as his first instinct to suck up to the MBM, to buy into and internalize their narrative. "That's not something I would have done." BS,( true, in that you are a  ball-less bitch) but there is no way in hell had one of your advisers proposed the same thing to you at that time that you would have rejected it--no, you sad sack of donkey-shit, you bought into and helped perpetuate a smear of all conservatives for your own silly self-advancement. "Look at me! The media loves me! They let me on their show! Vote for me!"
No, screw you, I don't care what you say now because until you attack the MBM, you are just another in a long line of faux-conservative con-men who will say whatever it takes to get the nomination so you can go on to "lose with dignity" in the general, and if you accidentally get elected, you will be happy to sell out conservatives for a few lines of praise in the MBM all  in the name of "bipartisanship and compromise." 

152

I suppose the guy writing the anti-Palin book is donating all proceeds to charity because he's all about just telling the truth about Palin, not for the cash like he says motivates her. Pure Projection.

I like TPaw if Palin doesn't run. I accept his reversal on the greenie crap. A more convincing way would be for TPaw to say 'I , unlike the media, find the Climate-gate leaks very convincing that it is not nearly science, and more about money and control.'

153 >>>Posted by: Paper at May 23, 2011 11:12 AM (VoSja)

How long have you been around here on AoSHQ, Paper?  I only seemed to notice you recently, but you're a real strong addition.  I've been impressed with all your posts (as well as the fact that you're way calmer and more measured than spazzes like me).

Just thought I'd point it out.

154 There should be ZERO subsidies for ethanol as it's the worst idea ever.  Battery power, worst idea ever.  Until you find something that provides the energy in the efficient way that good old fashioned gasoline does, shelve it.

Free enterprise will find a way, if you let it.

155 151 Why are you editing my comments? I am posting nothing but the truth. Obama will win another term because you cons are all crazy racist wingnut birthers.         Waaaaaaaah!  Stop editing my racist comments, you racists!  Waaaaaaa!

156 153 Bob Dole is a candidate who can speak truth to power. Bob Dole will give you 6 inches of rock hard truth, for four hours at minimum; that's what Bob Dole will do.

Posted by: Bob Dole at May 23, 2011 11:14 AM (AZGON)

Bob, it's only six inches becuase you can go twice (3+3=6)

157 Drying paint has a saying that goes "You're about as exciting as Tim Pawlenty."

158 92 http://tinyurl.com/3noqeza

"The era of small government is over . . . government has to be more proactive, more aggressive."
-- Tim Pawlenty, 2006.

Posted by: Dan at May 23, 2011 11:01 AM (mXBxH)

--So tell us, how has Mitt made government smaller in the liberal state he ran?

159 Why aren't Reagan and Palin RINOs in most people's minds? -- They are both radical, right wing social engineers.

160 Bambi high centers his car at the embassy in Ireland. He must have had too much ass in the car.

Should've brought an SVT Raptor instead.

161

No, you heathen. They have been pumping them out from their factory in Revere (aka Severe) MA since the 1800s. Necco wafers are the nectar of the goods compared to Good 'N Plenty.

 

Good'N Plenty has been reformulated, again.  Even more disgusting this time than the last...

162 Anyone dissing Necco Wafers is a RINO heretic. I got my SkyBar waiver. Necco Wafers mostly suck. And Necco didn't move to Revere until 2003.

163 A Pawlenty candidacy would be an interesting test of the axiom that says "We get the government we deserve". Regardless of what you think of his charisma or his  position on this or that specific issue, Pawlenty is one of the few around who'll speak the truth about our fiscal condition and what must be  done about it. Compared the utterly clueless and dishonest dude who's running the show now, it should be a no brainer.
BUT, will the voters actually elect a guy who openly promises to make the hard choices? We might not be pleased to learn the answer.

164 >>>Drying paint has a saying that goes "You're about as exciting as Tim Pawlenty."

Let's nominate someone who fires the base up and will lose by a 60%-40% margin, then.

165 161, Tim Pawlenty has a saying that you are about as exciting as Mitt Romney.

166

Why the hell is he proud of the queen

Well, she did listen to My speeches I gave her on a Ipod.

167 161 Drying paint has a saying that goes "You're about as exciting as Tim Pawlenty."

Posted by: KB at May 23, 2011 11:16 AM (YeiuA)

We have a saying, "It's about exciting as watching Tim Palenty growing"

168 Ben since he was the VP of the AEI , his positions somewhat mirror their positions. Now if you are not familiar with those positions I can understand your point.

169 This place is going to need an exorcism before the primaries start.

170

Scanned Timmy's USA oped this AM.  He's talking the talk, like he wants to bring the base back.

Still,  he's going to need help to get the Nomination,  like Romney finding no path to victory and doing the noble thing.

Is Plenty enough to stop a TEA revolt?   Romney guarantees one.

171 "163 Why aren't Reagan and Palin RINOs in most people's minds? -- They are both radical, right wing social engineers. Posted by: Newt Gingrich at May 23, 2011 11:17 AM (6uiF7)" Jesus, Newt. You forgot to mention the website. We have a Tiffany's bill due.

172 171, She promptly handed the Ipod, to a servant who then dumped the speaches and downloaded Lady GAGA's greatest hits.

173 133 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 23, 2011 11:06 AM (9hSKh)

holy crap.
You have an R and an O in your name.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

I can spell RINO from his name!  Oh, the horror! 

174 172
They're the best for teaching kids to be a crack shot because you can threaten them with having to eat the missed ones.

175 >>>Good'N Plenty has been reformulated, again.  Even more disgusting this time than the last...

I haven't had Good 'N Plenty since I was a kid.  All's I know is that they were invariably the last things left in the bag of Halloween candy after I'd finished everything else.  And that includes the rancid butterscotch candies and godawful Tootsie Rolls.

I'm really glad I don't like candy anymore.

One thing that has really maintained its appeal, however?  Jolly Ranchers.  Especially the "Tropical" bags, which are hard as fuck to find but include the awesome Orange flavor (and the loathsome Peach one, sadly).

176 Let me add that AIE is not a sure signifyer as Gingrich is also a fellow or at least was.

177 LOL at the Obama car video.  Perfect metaphor for his (P)Residency, we give him the keys and he mucks up the car...

178

162--So tell us, how has Mitt made government smaller in the liberal state he ran?Posted by: logprof at May 23, 2011 11:17 AM (BP6Z1)

Good point. He hasn't either. Birds of a feather. Both blue state Republicans, doing what they do.

179 From the O'Bama in Ireland linky at the sidebar (I'd pay to see the pic):

Obama was given a present of a hurley stick, used in Ireland's native sport, hurling, and practised swinging it.

180 Lady Gaga? I think Michelle mentioned getting fashion tips from her.

181 LOL at the Obama car video.  Perfect metaphor for his (P)Residency, we give him the keys and he mucks up the car...

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at May 23, 2011 11:21 AM (GBXon)

I just got a slurpee so I can watch his skinny ass push that caddy and Michelle over the hump.

182 Interesting fact, Necco waffers can be used as suppositories

183 The first rule about Sarah Palin Fight Thread is you don't talk about Sarah Palin Fight Thread.

184 187, How do you know?

185 Who was the governor of Mineeesoetah when Al Franken cheated his way to the US Senate?

186 186 LOL at the Obama car video.  Perfect metaphor for his (P)Residency, we give him the keys and he mucks up the car...

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at May 23, 2011 11:21 AM (GBXon)

I just got a slurpee so I can watch his skinny ass push that caddy and Michelle over the hump.

Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 11:23 AM (MtwBb)

:

187

 Either way it's still very early to be ruling people in or out.

Yep. It's time to be organizing your precinct for the primaries. With that, you're a team owner in 2012 instead of a spectator.

188

#157

Maybe six months or so. I'm a quant, and I started becoming more interested in politics after the 2008 election. The place where I worked at the time was hired to do some political data crunching (not what we usually do), and I about lost my mind with all the stupidity that is the electorate.

My background is in data analysis, so I tend to rely on that quite a bit. I come here for the funny and the angry and increasingly, the depressing.

189 Oh, and Ron PAWLENTY!

190

Vermont Country Store (.com) has lots of old timey candy 'n stuff.

Pawlenty seems to know what to say, so that's nice. We shall see...

191 187 Interesting fact, Necco waffers can be used as suppositories

Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 11:23 AM (wuv1c)

Ben, anything can be used as a suppository.

(You don't want links included with this assertion.)

192

Paul Ryan gives libtard talking head some advice - kiss my ass (or words to that effect)

Damn too bad he is not running. He would jump to the top of my short list immediately.

193 184
If it had been a republican the moron song would be palyng non stop

194 >>So tell us, how has Mitt made government smaller in the liberal state he ran?Posted by: logprof at May 23, 2011 11:17 AM (BP6Z1) Better question, which conservative hero, assuming they could have gotten elected, could have done any better with a veto proof very liberal majority in legislature? Sometimes minimizing the damage is the best you can get.

195 >>>My background is in data analysis, so I tend to rely on that quite a bit.

It's a huge strength, and distinguishes you from most others around here.  I'd say you're on your way to guest-blogger status if that's what you want.

196 "Bambi high centers his car at the embassy in Ireland. He must have had too much ass in the car." Whose? His or Mooochelles?

197 Gonna be a long 18 months.

198 Look, I'd gladly vote for Tim Pawlenty, but the ironically first result in an anagram generator for his name is: Wimpy Talent Of course, when you run Mitt Romney through you get: Metro Minty

199

Can you tell me any of Bolton's positions on anything other than the UN, Iran, or the Middle East.

Anything? The EPA? Taxes? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, guns, abortion, etc?

Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 11:10 AM (wuv1c)


_{--Pssssst, that's the whole point of a campaign!}

200 #162 logprof As Governor he began with a 1.5 billion deficit and ended with a 600 million surplus.

201

Ben, anything can be used as a suppository.

Excellent.  I need a colonic and it sounds like a Barack Obama suppository will clean me right out.  Thanks for the tip. 

202 187 Interesting fact, Necco waffers can be used as suppositories

Sure, but why?

Furthermore, who would use this knowledge?  Bear Grylls? 

203

Depressingly funny could be our motto.

 

I'm going to warn everyone not to go to JWF right now. Don't look at the top story unless you are some place where you can scream loudly without getting fired.

204 Pawlenty/Palin 2012.....tag team of stupid. You might as well nominate a WWF duo like the Bushwackers.

205 Ben, anything can be used as a suppository. I think that is in the first paragraph of the first page of AOSHQ by-laws.

206 >>>Better question, which conservative hero, assuming they could have gotten elected, could have done any better with a veto proof very liberal majority in legislature?

You know what? I'm really grateful you're around to offer a (qualified) defense of Romney.  Because if he ends up being the nominee, we're going to need to adjust our understanding on these things right quick.

I tend to agree with you on this point, but then I'm a filthy RINO.

207

_{--Pssssst, that's the whole point of a campaign!}

Logprof, that's too close for comfort to "we have to pass it to find out what's in it."

208 In some ways I like false god Baracky in the white house failing on a ridiculous level each and every day with the whole world is watching.

Since his early rise in Illinois, the whole thing to me feels like a movie about some kid in high school and all his coaches and announcers decided to make this one kid the greatest basketball star ever born and never stopped talking him up for years until it eventually crescendos into nationwide hysteria with people literally fainting in his presence.  Then in his junior year he was drafted straight into the NBA where in his momentous premier the whole world watches him double dribble and trip over his own feet.  You cant buy this kind of pure comedy and tasty justice without a kamikaze spirit and Soros sized money.

Imagine if Obama 08 hadn't been elected???

*He would now be an international post crucified demi-god even more powerful then he was before.
*How different would the policies and SC picks have been under McCain?  *How much could McCain of done if he even tried, while undermined at every point by the rabidly fraudulent media and the glowing spotless Obama?

My thesis now is the same as back then,  the only thing worse then Obama being elected would have been Obama not being elected.  In 2012.... depends-on who we run, but we definitely need to focus on expanding maximum control on the house and Senate.  That white house is a coin flip that always seems to come up tails for us either way.  More tea partiers in congress is a heads heads for us.

209 Fresh Look at Pawlenty?

Fine: If Tpaw can look Iowans in the eye and tell them Ethanol needs to stop, I'll give him a fair fresh look.

But if he ever again mutters anything about curbing CO₂ dealbreaker man.

210 @208: Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha.  Yes, please.  Biden '16!!!@!

211  Ben, anything can be used as a suppository.

maybe we've finally found a legitimate use for ethanol here at the HQ.

212

Good'N Plenty has been reformulated, again.  Even more disgusting this time than the last...

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2011 11:17 AM (rcJCp)

--G'n'P are the bastard children of Mike and Ike.

213

I'm going to warn everyone not to go to JWF right now. Don't look at the top story unless you are some place where you can scream loudly without getting fired.

That headline made me laugh my ass off. 

214 why is the troll who says 1/2 this country wants to lynch Barry (at 30) not banned yet? I just want the marxist fired or in my wilder fantasies put in a nice safe rubber room. Posted by: PaleRider


they haven't banned me because perhaps this site believes in allowing dissent/freedom of exchange of opinions or ideas.  it's something you neo-cons struggle with, the fact that others are allowed to form and express their own ideals.

215 Obama can't even fill a whole without looking like an idiot

216 I'm going to warn everyone not to go to JWF right now. Don't look at the top story unless you are some place where you can scream scream=guffaw boldly for large values of Biden

217 maybe we've finally found a legitimate use for ethanol here at the HQ. Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 11:30 AM (wuv1c) No, that's for the enema. DO try to keep up.

218 Goldberg: Why Don't More Republicans Want to Run?

219 Obama can't even fill a whole without looking like an idiot The man finally found a job for which he is qualified.

220 So let me see if I can understand our candidates here.

Sarah Palin - former 1/2-term governor of Alaska, has a fan base approaching cult-like status, is an attention whore who talks more about what it's like to hunt and fish in Alaska rather than her plans and principles for the future, talks in broad folksy generalities rather than specifics, is utterly loathed by about half the country.

Mitt Romney - former governor of Massachusetts, has that whole Mormon thing going for him, likes mandates, was for abortion before he was against it, has great hair, is richer than God, is the establishment/"next in line" candidate of choice

Tim Pawlenty - former governor of Minnesota, has blue-collar bonafides, wants to tell people "hard truths", is more boring than dirt, was for AGW before he was against it, a guy you can count on never to spontaneously blow the rent money on a sudden trip to Vegas

Newt Gingrich - former Speaker of the House, likes to sit on comfy couches and have a "debate", thinks we need "bold new solutions", would rather think a lot rather than do things, thinks Medicare vouchers are "right-wing social engineering", is past his sell-by date

Jon Huntsman - former governor of Utah, thinks that being Obama's lackey for the past 3 years is a resume enhancement, angling to split that ever-critical Mormon vote, is the super-RINO

Gary Johnson - former governor of New Mexico, is the more serious libertarian dude, endorsed Ron Paul in 2008, wants to legalize pot, is anti-war, won't win the SoCon vote

Herman Cain - former pizza CEO and Fed regional bank chairman, has never won an election in his life but thinks a presidential election is a great chance for a first stab at it, frequently looks confused on camera

Ron Paul!!!! - nuff said


god we are boned

221

Bwahahahahaa, Obama and Moochelle had to abandon the car and get one with stronger suspsension.

Jeeebus that guy is such a fuckup.

http://tinyurl.com/3cbum9v

 

222

Good'N Plenty has been reformulated, again.  Even more disgusting this time than the last...

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2011 11:17 AM (rcJCp)

--G'n'P are the bastard children of Mike and Ike.

Posted by: logprof at May 23, 2011 11:31 AM (BP6Z1)

Heretics, the lot of you.  Junior Mints uber alles!

223 190 Who was the governor of Mineeesoetah when Al Franken cheated his way to the US Senate?

Posted by: mrp at May 23, 2011 11:24 AM (HjPtV)

Yup, this. Too busy governatin' and other awesome conservative-like stuff, I guess.

224

From the O'Bama in Ireland linky at the sidebar (I'd pay to see the pic):

Obama was given a present of a hurley stick, used in Ireland's native sport, hurling, and practised swinging it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 23, 2011 11:23 AM (UOM4

Here you go. BO playing with his stick.

225 I've yet to hear you anti-Palin morons speak honestly about your real resistance to a Palin Presidency... You don't believe a woman should be President... Plain and simple - and no woman would convince you otherwise - especially not one as smokin' hot as Palin. I know because I went through my own thought process of wondering whether I believe a woman should be in charge... Too emotional... Not logical enough, etc. At least admit it - and then we can get around to discussing the realities around your absurd claims of "unelectability".

226 @223 Nice find, M80s. When Daniels pulled out I was tempted to post "Jonah Goldberg Hardest Hit."

227 I hope T-Paw actually gives these speeches the way he is talking.  I want to see if Americans are ready to face the truth or if it is still head in the sand time.

228 The GOP field for 2012 is now set. No further applicants need apply. Both Pawlenty and Romney are lifelong conservatives with a long and brilliant records of government service. Their performance while in office was simply magnificent, and anyone who denies it is not to be trusted as an analyst. On every level it was a masterpiece.

229 205 #162 logprof As Governor he began with a 1.5 billion deficit and ended with a 600 million surplus.

Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2011 11:27 AM (T8iAI)

--Sssshhhhhhh, I'm trying to silence the Romenyspambot.

230

I've yet to hear you anti-Palin morons speak honestly about your real resistance to a Palin Presidency...

You don't believe a woman should be President... Plain and simple - and no woman would convince you otherwise - especially not one as smokin' hot as Palin.

I know because I went through my own thought process of wondering whether I believe a woman should be in charge... Too emotional... Not logical enough, etc.

At least admit it - and then we can get around to discussing the realities around your absurd claims of "unelectability".

good work, this shit pot really needed stirring.

231 Please god let this website still be around in 15 years when you cons' are yelling at town halls "git ur handz off our single payer healthcare!" at townhalls.

232 197

Paul Ryan gives libtard talking head some advice - kiss my ass (or words to that effect)

Damn too bad he is not running. He would jump to the top of my short list immediately.

Posted by: Vic at May 23, 2011 11:26 AM (M9Ie6)

hahaha...nothin finer than watching Gregory get blown out of the water...what an asshat

233 I have a question about candidates being "interesting" or charismatic. If a "boring" candidate were to have strong policies, would they be better than having weak tea and being boring? I mean Obama is all razzle dazzle surrounding limp lettuce but people get all scared of his "charisma" Charisma means you can convince the Israelis of your plan, not that they bust your ass and two days later you make a terrific mea culpa speech and walk back your shit. Or are people just way better at believing the smooth bullshit over real meaning? I am in sales and I don't do the bullshit well, and I think it hurts me, though its always fun to see the bullshitters screw over the dumbass who bought it.

234 >>Posted by: momma at May 23, 2011 11:32 AM (penCf)

In The First Tamale's case he ties a 2 by12 across his ass so he doesn't fall in.

235 from Goldberg's bit: ...it’s also true that Democrats fight dirty — and that goes for Obama, too. And yet how much grief does Obama get for it? Remember, he’s the guy who said his chief opponent in 2008 was “cynicism.” Yet another illustration of how Barry always tells us who he is, through projection. Every criticism he levels at his opponents is usually best applied to himself.

236 I demand the Right to Return to the Pain Clan! The Wastelands shall Weep! I will Slice my Enemies like a Godfather's Pizza! Bow before the Mighty Pain Clan!

237

chemjeff, that sounds about right

238 229

From the O'Bama in Ireland linky at the sidebar (I'd pay to see the pic):

Obama was given a present of a hurley stick, used in Ireland's native sport, hurling, and practised swinging it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 23, 2011 11:23 AM (UOM4

Here you go. BO playing with his stick.

Thanks, momma.  He looks as stupid as I imagined.  (Do you have a PayPal account?

239 >>I've yet to hear you anti-Palin morons speak honestly about your real resistance to a Palin Presidency... I'm not resistant to a Palin presidency because it will never happen. Palin is so polarizing that she has managed to alienate a huge portion of the voting population, a number that dwarfs her ardent supporters. The numbers don't lie and they have been actually getting worse not better. For that reason I am not opposed to a Palin presidency, I'm opposed to a Palin candidacy because I actually want to win this next election not make a statement.

240

Herman Cain - former pizza CEO and Fed regional bank chairman, has never won an election in his life but thinks a presidential election is a great chance for a first stab at it, frequently looks confused on camera

I stopped thinking about Cain this weekend when he didn't understand what "right of return" was.

That is about THE most basic concept in Middle East foreign policy right now, and he's clueless.

Now, he didn't have to be an expert on it.  He just needed to be enough of a CEO to say to his staff, "Make sure I am briefed on the basics, and the next level.  For every policy question after that where there is no solid position my answer is, 'evolving.'" 

Seriously, it's not hard.  Rock-solid prep for an interview is something any CEO would think about, and some Cainiac is now going to tell me that the uber-CEO couldn't handle the most basic prep function for an interview.

/Cain off

241 Reagan couldn't win 49 in this climate.

Oh, boy- here we go with the global warming crap.

242 232 I hope T-Paw actually gives these speeches the way he is talking.  I want to see if Americans are ready to face the truth or if it is still head in the sand time.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 23, 2011 11:34 AM (IXLvN)

I vote head in the sand...it all sounds good till the chopping actually effects somebody.  Want heads to explode...propose the end to all subsidies, green energy dept hardest hit

243 >>>I've yet to hear you anti-Palin morons speak honestly about your real resistance to a Palin Presidency...

>>>You don't believe a woman should be President... Plain and simple - and no woman would convince you otherwise - especially not one as smokin' hot as Palin.

*slow clap*

244 Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

245 I am starting to wonder if lefty trolls are trying to demoralize us...

Even among our weakest we are still putting up people who have been proven to be superior to Obama in almost every way.  Seriously compare our batting order with the lefts batting order?

They've got one who can hit but cant run, one who can run but cant hit.  And a bunch of people hitting on the batboys while trying to get out of having to play.  To say nothing of a few so old they are literally buried in the outfield.  All this and their policy and worldview playbook is half 1930's socialist and the other "newer" half is 1960's irrational radical.

246

#230

Palin would be a bad nominee. That is the part that stops me. She can't overcome her negative ratings to win the election.

It is completely irrelevant to talk about what kind of President she would be.

247 237 Please god let this website still be around in 15 years when you cons' are yelling at town halls "git ur handz off our single payer healthcare!" at townhalls.

Posted by: Jean..not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 11:36 AM (SHvKp)

NORAD called.

They say you're all over the place, and ask you to sit the hell down.

"requests" from NORAD ought to be treated as very specific orders.

248 Why aren't Reagan and Palin RINOs in most people's minds? Because they have a strong emotional connection with a large base of voters. If Pawlenty isn't able to do that, for right or wrong, he is going to be a weaker candidate because clearly people won't have the type of connection with him that allows them to give him passes on the same kinds of faults that every other candidate has.

This is only superficially true. I think it is another variation of the perfection fallacy. We went through this already. Reagan signed an amnesty bill. McCain also supported amnesty. So McCain is simply another flawed candidate like Reagan?

I think Tpaw is an acceptable candidate for our side. He will be much better than Obama. Given that Palin is a known quitter, I think she should get in the race to take it to Obama and to defend the Paul Ryan plan. This will allow other candidates to distance themselves from Ryan 's plan. Also she will show herself an idiot and selfish money seeking rube. This will make other candidates look better too. Besides, the Rove wing of the Republican party will work with the MSM to trash her in any case. So other candidates should have nothing to fear from her. Under the heat, she will quit before the campaign will be over in any case. I see more upside to her joining the race now.

249 *slow clap*

See a physician.

250 At the end of their meeting, Kenny gave Obama a hurling stick, which looks like “a flattened field hockey stick,” according to the pool.

Holding the stick like a baseball bat, Obama said, “if members of Congress aren’t behaving, give ‘em a little paddle, a little hurl.”


What an ass.

251

Palin would be a bad nominee. That is the part that stops me. She can't overcome her negative ratings to win the election.

Ditto.

She ruined her own brand, on her own.  No one made her do it.  Even with all the demonizing after the election, she could have rehabilitated herself.  She didn't. 

She did a reality show.

 

252 Ofucknutmobile gets stuck at Embassy in Ireland.



An apt metaphor.

253 Drew, why do you hate Pawlenty so much that you sabotage what could have been an honest discussion of his candidacy? Is he really that bad of a candidate?

254 She can't overcome her negative ratings to win the election.

I believe she was sunk the most by her slut daughter and the crap weasel who was raping her.

255 Even among our weakest we are still putting up people who have been proven to be superior to Obama in almost every way.  Seriously compare our batting order with the lefts batting order?

John Boehner is superior to Obama in every aspect, but he's still useless.

It's not enough to just win this time.  We need someone who will fix things, because we are facing an existential crisis.

256 #230. Please, if anything it's just the opposite. If a man had done some of the things she has he would have long been finished.

257 Pawlenty isn't the hill I want to die on.

258 As usual I am late to the thread, but if Pawlenty follows through with what he is saying, he will definitely get a second look from me.

259 The easy knock against Pawlenty is that he's boring. But what that really means is that he's not inspiring. He's not getting folks excited for his candidacy. It may be his personality or he's not coming out with a big plan to tackle entitlements or our debt. I don't know. Yes, he seems competent and inoffensive. That's fine If you're running for Gov of a Midwest state. But we are facing an incumbent who is going to be well funded and well supported by the nat'l press. There's only so much a protest vote will get you. We need folks to crash the voting booths like they did in 2010. Part of it was opposition to Obamacare and the Stimulus but the clincher was we had candidates we were fired up for and wanted in office. It is still early to get all depressed about field. And we don't know how the candidates are going to look when they start competing against each other. So, it's entirely possibly Pawlenty can roll out a platform that excites people. So far, though, his platform seems to be: "Hey, I'm your back up plan if all else fails! Plan B candidate, that's me!" I'm a Palin supporter so regardless what I say about the other guys I'm voting for her in the primary.

260 I will be present for life.

261 From the Paul Ryan link:

I just did 19 town hall meetings, David, in a district that I work for that went for Obama, Dukakis, Clinton and Gore. People are hungry for solutions, and I really fundamentally believe that the people are way ahead of the political class and I think they're going to reward the leader who steps up to the plate and actually fixes these problems, no matter how much demagoguery, no matter how much distortion, no matter how much political parties try to scare seniors in the next election. I just don't think they're going to buy it this year and they're hungry for leaders to fix this problem before it gets out of our control.

Just exactly how shitty IS his district?!?  Good god man.......Dukakis?!?  You fucking people ARE on dope.

262 >>Please god let this website still be around in 15 years when you cons' are yelling at town halls "git ur handz off our single payer healthcare!" at townhalls. Are you really so dumb you don't understand why people who are opposed to a government takeover of healthcare can also not want government to fuck up Medicare? Let me try and explain it to you in small words. Under penalty of jail, the government forces people to contribute to government run plans like Medicare with the implicit promise that they will get healthcare services in their old age. They had no choice but to comply and after years of having the government take their money they want that promise fulfilled. That has no bearing on not wanting another government run scam foisted on them. If you can't wrap your brain around that then you are the idiot not the people at the town halls who seem to understand this very simple issue. You do serve a purpose here. You demonstrate what I said up thread, a large portion of the voting public are functionally retarded and need the bread and circuses of modern campaigns. No wonder you support Obama, most idiots do.

263 "There is a sizable part of the voting public that are functionally retarded."

Like my dad used to tell me:  "Think of a person you know who is of average intelligence.  Now, realize half the population is dumber than him.  And they vote."

264

You demonstrate what I said up thread, a large portion of the voting public are functionally retarded and need the bread and circuses of modern campaigns. No wonder you support Obama, most idiots do.

 

Hear, hear!

 

An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head.  - Eric Hofer

 

265 Palin has about as much chance of winning the Presidency as she does of winning "Are you Smarter Than A 5th Grader".

266

okay, i gave t-paw a second look...and i fell asleep again

palin/west all the way

267

#200

That is a nice thing to say, but I feel like we have enough people who know about what is going on. We just don't have the electorate nationally, and it sucks.

Winning a national election in a country with a large and quickly expanding base of Dem voters, means that the median voter is more and more a squishy moderate, rather than a right-leaning independent.

Unless we start winning these voters, as much talking in person with the people we know as with grand political 'strategy', we can't have the policy we want.

268 266 From the Paul Ryan link:

I just did 19 town hall meetings, David, in a district that I work for that went for Obama, Dukakis, Clinton and Gore. People are hungry for solutions, and I really fundamentally believe that the people are way ahead of the political class and I think they're going to reward the leader who steps up to the plate and actually fixes these problems, no matter how much demagoguery, no matter how much distortion, no matter how much political parties try to scare seniors in the next election. I just don't think they're going to buy it this year and they're hungry for leaders to fix this problem before it gets out of our control.

Just exactly how shitty IS his district?!?  Good god man.......Dukakis?!?  You fucking people ARE on dope.


It's a heavily unionized district, is my understanding. Some of the legislators who repeatedly spoke-out against Scott Walker are inside that district and the state senator from Janesville was a fleebagger.

269 Palin has about as much chance of winning the Presidency as she does of winning "Are you Smarter Than A 5th Grader".

Posted by: Jean..not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 11:51 AM (SHvKp)

Yet you have no proof of any of it.  You probably can't win that show either, so not only are you a hypocrite, you're stupid too. 

See how easy it is?  I just called you stupid without knowing a damn thing about you....just like you did Palin.

270

BTW- I'm not on Team Pawlenty, he's just the guy making news over the last day or two.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:24 AM

I'm not either, just an analyst doing my job of stabbing Republicans not on my team in the back.

I'm the ARCHITECT, and I'm a Great American. Hannity says so

271

Miss'80s, I think the money issue might have been the main reason Huck didn't want to run. He raised about as half as much money in his entire 2008 run as Romney will raise this quarter.

272 oh don't argue with the trolls.  it's pointless.
Their whole argument is, PALIN IZ STOOPID!!! HAHA.    it's juvenile and infantile and not worth responding to.

Have you ever noticed that when you have a conversation with a lefty on some topic, that their own grasp of liberalism is exceptionally shallow?  Here is a typical exchange I might have:

Me: "I don't favor single-payer health care because it would deprive me of the liberty to make choices over the direction of my health care, and my life generally."
Lib: "There he goes with that stupid 'liberty' talk, he is just one of those teabaggers waving around an idiot flag, huhuhuh"

273 Holding the stick like a baseball bat, Obama said, “if members of Congress aren’t behaving, give ‘em a little paddle, a little hurl.”

Oddly enough, since Pezzydent Dickmitten has been in office, I've been giving little hurls. Damned inconvenient, and more than a little messy. Which describes the first "lady", I suppose.

274 Yet you have no proof of any of it.  You probably can't win that show either, so not only are you a hypocrite, you're stupid too. 

See how easy it is?  I just called you stupid without knowing a damn thing about you....just like you did Palin.

Sponge, don't waste your time with that imbecile Jean- it's a known fact that she's completely stoopit, an absolute drooling dunce. Completely known fact.

275 Hey.. Maybe T'Paw could grow a Bolton stache!  He would be very manly then!

276

Who was the governor of Mineeesoetah when Al Franken cheated his way to the US Senate?

You can't lay that at the hands of Pawlenty.  The Dem attorney general controlled the recount process; Pawlenty had no real say in the matter.

277 if T-Paw actually tells Iowans that he will cut ethanol subsidies and tells seniors in florida about the harsh realities of entitlements then I will be firmly on the T-Paw train.

278 162, I will never vote for Romney. I enjoy my freedom and I oppose mandates. You have me confused with another "Dan."

279

I test drove a Pawlenty once.

 

Sure, it had the great hip and head room of a Pacer, but it kind of reminded me of the Â’08 McCain Family Truckster. 

 

IÂ’ve still have my heart set on shiny red Â’12 Palin.

280 “We can’t fix this [the fiscal crisis] if we take the position that we’re only going to cut someone else’s stuff,” Pawlenty says. “We’re going to look the people of Iowa in the eye and talk about the need to gradually reduce over time ethanol subsidies. We’re going to go down to Florida and talk about the need to fix Social Security to seniors,” he explained, not by changing it for current recipients but by making changes to the retirement age “for the next generation.” Pawlenty says that afterwards, he’ll go to Wall Street and tell them that the era of bailouts are over


Politicians are often afraid that if theyÂ’re too honest, they might lose an election. IÂ’m afraid that in 2012, if weÂ’re not honest enough, we may lose our country.

From HA's interview with Pawlenty. If he sticks to this, and that last bit is pure gold, he will be President in Jan. 2013.

281

Who was the governor of Mineeesoetah when Al Franken cheated his way to the US Senate?

You can't lay that at the hands of Pawlenty.  The Dem attorney general controlled the recount process; Pawlenty had no real say in the matter.

So Pawlenty gets a pass, but you can't cut Palin any slack on her resignation - she should have let the frivolous ethics complaints bankrupt her family because the flawed Alaskan law made her pay for the defense out her pockets, and permitted an infinite number of frivolous complaints.

282
If Pawlenty was to stand behind a podium in Iowa holding an ear of corn aloft and say, "Using one of these for a dildo is an old joke but you're all fucking the world with these right now."
THEN I'd have some respect for him.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at May 23, 2011 10:54 AM

If Barack Obama said to the Brits, "While we think your system of government is silly, we still realize your Queen did a great job in Red,"
THEN I'd have some respect for him.

283
Politicians are often afraid that if theyÂ’re too honest, they might lose an election. IÂ’m afraid that in 2012, if weÂ’re not honest enough, we may lose our country.



The trouble is, he whispers.

284 My first election was voting for Barry Goldwater in 1964. He went to Florida and attacked Social Security. We know how well that turned out.

285
The trouble is, he whispers.

Posted by: arhooley at May 23, 2011 12:35 PM (m3Djl)

No major party nominee whispers.Every word they utter is reported. If he gets the nomination he can whisper all day long and the only person standing between him and it at this point is Romney.

286 So Pawlenty gets a pass, but you can't cut Palin any slack on her resignation - she should have let the frivolous ethics complaints bankrupt her family because the flawed Alaskan law made her pay for the defense out her pockets, and permitted an infinite number of frivolous complaints.

Please, tell us what Pawlenty could have realistically done, what choices he had the authority as governor to make regarding the Senate election and the recount.

Palin was in an unfortunate situation, and the left should be shamed for what they did to her and her family.  However, as governor, she had some authority to push for a change in the laws. 

287 Keep on fucking that chicken, Drew. It certainly didn't hurt Charles Johnson to go ape-shit over creationism. And no one wants to kick the shit out of Allahpundit for his Christian baiting. This only makes us more united and Ace's a better place.

288 He is a warmmongerer, he is DOA.

Anyone that supports this fool is an even bigger fool.

289 Ok. He got my attention. If he manages to stick to this type of thing, perhaps I will make an attempt not to fall asleep 3 seconds after he starts speaking. But if is gets going on the "My mom died and my dad was a truck driver, so vote for me because you feel sorry for me" country music song again, it's over. I ain't throwing him a pity vote. The bitch better earn it.

290 Posted by: andycanuck at May 23, 2011 01:00 PM (wPxqH)

What are you talking about?

291 "Or, I could do something different, I could just tell you the truth"

I liked this video a lot and then one of my friends said "don't get sucked in by pawlenty, don't get sucked in, his media people are real good but a month in, you'll say to yourself, "this guy is a total wimp".

292

Y'all have been mighty entertaining this morning.

I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

 

On a somber note, Reagan carried 49 states, 8 million nuck futted 'conservatives' stayed home in '08, the trick with this election will be to keep ALL the conservatives seriously pissed off right into election day. Trust me when I tell you the bamster is equal to the task.

I'll stick with Sarah.

293

>> Drew, why do you hate Pawlenty so much that you sabotage what could have been an honest discussion of his candidacy?

 

What?  How in the world is this "hating" Pawlenty?

294 I was starting to think maybe Pawlenty is the guy and then my friend was like "oh I really thought he was great  years ago and then he got in and gave the democrats everything they wanted, he didn't fight at all, so now he's going to fight, yeah right".   He's adamant and he doesn't like anyone so far in the republican field and he's one of the only registered republicans that I actually know, who actually lives and works in NY.

295 I can't believe, in an almost 300-comment thread, that people have been talking about crappy NECCO candy and NOT ONE MENTION OF THAT CLASSIC OF ALL CLASSICS- MARY JANE!!!!!

296

278 Holding the stick like a baseball bat, Obama said, “if members of Congress aren’t behaving, give ‘em a little paddle, a little hurl.”

New Tone and civility

297 Palin was in an unfortunate situation, and the left should be shamed for what they did to her and her family.  However, as governor, she had some authority to push for a change in the laws.

Palin pushed for and signed the ethics-reform laws that were later used by her opponents to hound her out of office.  The charges weren't filed until after Palin became the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee.  Ironic, perhaps and after destroying Frank Murkowski's gubernatorial re-election bid, she had enemies in both parties.  So, no chance of changing the ethics laws while 15+ frivolous suits were pending.  After she resigned, Parnell had zero ethics charges filed against him.  IIRC, the law was  later changed.

I'm a Palin supporter because the woman is fearless, intelligent, and has the finest political instincts of any politician in either party.  On the issues of life, limited government, and the 2nd Amendment, she has been solid and unswerving.

298 I will give money to Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, maybe another dark horse. I will campaign for them. I support them with time, money, energy. For those of you pushing (secretly) the crazy Gold!bug!, good luck with that... Maybe you can have Gold!Bug!'s corpse run in 2028. Romney, meh, 1/2 the time he sounds like white Obama (or is it Irish Obama? I can't tell today). Romney and Obama share one thing in common that grates me to the very core, neither can say, "I screwed up. I was wrong." Oh, and for those of you who seem to take satisfaction out of mocking social conservatives, you will NEVER win the White House without us.

299 New pawlety thread time to close this one.

300 Pimping for Domenech now, eh?

RINO!!!!!!!!!!1!1

301 "And yes, I know the guy that spams every thread with a dubiously sourced quote will show up and so will the folks who say, "He's an AGW believer!"."

Strange how this astroturf on twitter and various blog comment sections just switched instantly from Daniels to Pawlenty.  Same scam, new enemy, and one likely high funded candidate who was threatened mostly by Daniels, and now is by Pawlenty.

It's much easier and cheaper to win elections by starting these memes as early as possible.  Your opponent has to fight much harder to overcome them, especially if they are currently a Governor and simply unable to juggle doing a good job there with a good job answering every specious claim.

So if you hear something about a candidate that just doesn't seem to show the full source info, assume you're being manipulated.

302 For the life of me I still can't get this obsession conservatives have with "electability".  It's that very same chasing the phantasm of "electability" which gave us McCain, mind.

If Pawlenty best represents the issues you can't compromise on, go for it.  Same thing with Cain, Palin, or even Romney.  True, there's no such thing as a dream candidate, (Ronulans notwithstanding) but don't make the mistake of thinking  conservatives sticking to their guns was what gave us the current situation.