1 Don't we have a bunch of old landmines left laying around?

Print up some signs in Spanish and English...problem solved.

2 Wait, no free tuition?

3 Looking forward to the debate this week.

BTW, did anything become of the rumor the Christian Post was pushing that Palin would be participating in the Tampa Tea Party debate/forum?

4

Everyone I talk to the answer is the same, "I love Rick Perry but he may be too far right to win." My response, "When we run someone right instead of liberal-lite, he wins." Their response, "Hmmmm, maybe you're right."

Keep spreadin' the word.

5

Sorry, but his immigration stance is tepid at best.  If he gets elected it will be George Bush Jr. all over again.  Somewhat better than now, but still no substantive results.  And his statement about the length of the fence and ladders just shows how unserious he is. 

He had a chance with the latest Texas legislature session to show some leadership on the issue and results.  Instead he let big local businesses shoot down some needed changes.

Perry is not the guy.  

 

6 Perry is not the guy. Posted by: Terrahawk at September 04, 2011 08:15 PM (4p9bU) The guy's name is "Anybody but obama"!

7 Srsly, what is the practical way to win over illegal immigration?

8 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

9

>> Perry is not the guy.

 

hahahaha.. actually, he is.

 

10 I'll take Perry, political warts and all.  There is no other guy.

11 The guy's name is "Anybody but obama"!

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 04, 2011 08:17 PM (aYQHH)

amen

12

# 9 & 10 - my point

 

13 Well, isn't this consistent with claiming that there's booing when there isn't?

Perry is not the guy.  

 Oh for Cthulhu's sake, can we not even have a nice hate on the AP thread without starting to shriek at each other?  This is why we can't have nice things. 

14 heh alex

15 Don't we have a bunch of old landmines left laying around?

Yeah, has there been any polling on the use of a mine field, mixed high-density, Sprengmine 44's, Shumine 42's, Pot mines, A200's, the little wooden bastards that the mine detectors don't pick up?

Alligators with claymores on their heads for the moat?

16 Srsly, what is the practical way to win over illegal immigration?

Posted by: Marybel at September 04, 2011 08:17 PM (Hic+o)

Make everyones Social Security Card a tamper proof card like a credit card and make all employers slide it through a card reader that is connected to a database of valid social security numbers. Jail the employers if they don't do it.

All the illegals would self deport because they coudn't work.

17 alex, i was going to type for crying out loud but it seemed too wordy at that point.

18 Sorry, but his immigration stance is tepid at best.  If he gets elected it will be George Bush Jr. all over again.

Well, that beats the pants off of SCofMF all over again.  And, Ace had a post up, I dunno, within the last few weeks, about how we need someone who can BEAT OBAMA and it's time to sacrifice deep for broad.  Ace said it better, but that's the gist and I could not agree more wholeheartedly. 

19 That's right, ABO, baby!
 

20

There's no need to fence every damn inch of the border if the most common crossing areas _are_ fenced and patrolled, if the children of illegal aliens born in the US are not automatically citizens, if illegal aliens cannot receive aid beyond emergency medical care, and if businesses that hire illegal aliens are penalized.

No need to deport many, either. Once the gravy spigot's turned off, most will self-deport, the rest can be deported, and we can go back to being a sovereign country that has control over its lawful immigration.

If Mexico's such a terrible place, let the Mexicans fix it.

21 Perry is fine.Noone is perfect.If you want perfection you can't get it.Even Christ wasn't perfect and He was as close to it as a human could be.Perry is damn well good enough.

22 Alligators with claymores on their heads for the moat?

They would be a nice accompaniment to the sharks with frickin' laser beams. 

23 The guy's name is "Anybody but obama"!

And not that SCOAMF guy either!

24 Perry has at least seen some of the terrain in west Texas, which I'll bet the NH shouter has not.
Bullis Gap leaps to mind.
Then take a good look at the Mexican side. No towns, no roads, nada.
There is a reason nothing is out there in lots of places.
A fence won't work as a single solution. Perry is right about that. 

25

Perry is the guy.

President Perry. It rolls well off the tongue. He and a Republican controlled Congress are our only hope.

Obamaism must be dismantled ASAP. Then the ground must be burned and salted.

26 Posted by: Terrahawk at September 04, 2011 08:15 PM

And which candidate are you shilling for? Mutt Romney, RuPaul, the Divine Sarah? These random, fact-free attacks don't really gain much traction around here.

The fact is, the lefty media -- and the Paulbots, Palinoids, etc., etc. -- always cut Perry's responses short. Any action regarding illegals begins with enforcing the law first. He consistently says so.

What happens after a president finally decides to uphold the laws -- as they are sworn to, but which Dubya and Osama Obama routinely ignore(d) on this issue -- is another matter, and I suspect Perry would be more likely to heed the wishes of voters than make an unpopular move than, say, the arrogant Muttster.

Anyone who thinks Perry is perfect is delusional. But he's looking damn good, and so far strikes me as our best hope for beginning the long process of getting the country straightened out.

And he's not a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure.

27

Perry is fine with me.

Christ was/is perfect, steevy.

Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck (for short)

28

Christ was perfect. Just sayin'

 

29 "Anybody but Obama" needs to get a name soon, or it will BE Obama.

30 How do we stop illegal immigration? Well for one there is a corner in every freaken town and city where the illegals gather EVERY FREAKEN MORNING to get work. You know it and I know it! Arrest the G-D Damn Illegals and kick their asses out of the country. That would be a start. And fine the assholes who employ the illegals up the wazzu. That would help also.

31 This is what Rick Perry once said: "Like most of the world's major religions the Islamic faith preaches peace, love and tolerance. Indeed, terrorism is the antithesis of the basic tenet to which the one billion Islamic followers all over the world adhere." If he still believes that he has neither a brain, nor a clue, and is unlikely to ever get either.

32 The guy's name is "Anybody but obama"! Posted by: nevergiveup

I've been hearing a lot about this new guy..

Odd first name.  A 'Gene Republican'..  Generic I think it was..

33 Perry it is barring anything disgusting. If there is some disagreement with legislation  He might desire, we'll just bamboo shoot his big toe, until He complies.

34 I'm probably safe in saying that most in this thread support Perry. But in the end, if he's not the winner of the primary process, it's ABO.

35 Perry sounds more against a wall than does Obama. His ‘rational’ is ludicrous and boringly lame. No one has ever said that a Wall would be a total solution in and of itself, and without a Wall any ‘solution’ would be very incomplete. He is also against E-Verify, I suppose as that would not be a total solution either. And he is for a “Guest Worker” program which would mean as many invaders, if not more, taking jobs from Americans and lowering the pay of other American’s jobs and committing crimes and overloading schools and hospitals and prisons. He sounds like Vicente Fox on speed.

36 "Anybody but Obama" needs to get a name soon, or it will BE Obama. Posted by: Marybel at September 04, 2011 08:24 PM (Hic+o) In due time, in due time. Right now "anybody but obama" is doing OK since obama is such a clusterfuck.

37 Feralkeeton, who's your candidate?

38

This is why we can't have nice things. 

LMAO

39

How good a candidate is Gov. Perry on these issues? He stinks. He is the worst of the Republicans and here are 10 reasons why:

1. Open Borders: Former Congressman Tom Tancredo, in a devastating article that appeared in Politico on August 11, 2011, notes that Gov. Perry gave a 2001 speech in Mexico, no less, saying he supported completely open borders, in which he called for the “free flow of individuals between these two countries who want to work and want to be an asset to our country and to Mexico.” Apparently, there can never be too much immigration from Mexico for Gov. Perry.

2. Border Fence: If you’re for open borders, you don’t want a border fence. The AP reported that in the same 2001 speech in Mexico, Gov. Perry says, “But the idea that you’re going to build a 1,200 mile wall … is idiocy. It absolutely would not work.”

3. An Arizona-style Immigration Law for Texas: Gov. Perry is against interior enforcement of our immigration laws. During the debate over Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration SB 1070, he opposed enacting something similar in his state, saying, “It would not be the right direction for Texas.”

4. Amnesty: Gov. Perry said Congress didn’t have the “maturity” to reform our immigration laws, by which he meant granting amnesty. The “Washington Watcher” at Vdare.com notes Gov. Perry has called for a “guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contributions without providing them with citizenship status.” In other words, at a time when a record number of Americans are out of work, Gov. Perry’s job-creation plan is to make it easier for foreigners to take more of our jobs.

5. Birthright Citizenship: An article at Youth for Western Civilization’s blog notes that Gov. Perry “supports granting citizenship to children of illegal aliens, and opposes legislation to change the current policy which grants citizenship to any child of an illegal alien.” According to the Washington Post, he has said any change of our current birthright citizenship policies would be “unconstitutional.”

For generations, politicians were afraid to touch the question of birthright citizenship, but thanks to Tea Party groups, that is starting to change. By means of a deliberate misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment, any pregnant woman who manages “to fly, crawl or flop across our borders” as Jared Taylor once put it, can give birth to an American citizen. Professor Lino Graglia of the University of Texas has ably refuted this absurd view of the 14th Amendment.

As Mr. PerryÂ’s views become better known among conservative Republicans, they could turn against him. Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann have both spoken out against birthright citizenship.

6. E-Verify: E-Verify is a federal program that lets employers make sure their workers are here legally. Vdare’s “Washington Watcher” notes that when Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson challenged Gov. Perry for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in 2010, she called for E-Verify for all Texas state employees. Even that was too much for Gov. Rick Perry, who stated: “E-Verify would not make a hill of beans difference when it comes to what’s happening in America today.”

Illegal immigrants who are secretly working for Al Queda or MS-13 could get jobs as state employees, but Gov. Perry is opposed to even the most basic effort to weed them out. Apparently, it doesn’t make a “hill of beans difference” to him.

7. Illegal Aliens as “Undocumented”: The same Youth for Western Civilization article reports that in a talk about his big ideas for Texas school students, he said, “And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers.” (Emphasis added). “Undocumented” is the pro-Amnesty Left’s favorite code word for illegal aliens. Needless to say, that “vision” includes college education, jobs, and everything else. It is easy to foresee a Republican-promoted amnesty of the “undocumented” under a Perry administration, just like the one the last Bush administration served up.

8. In-State Tuition for Illegal Aliens: In 2001, Gov. Perry supported and signed the Texas “DREAM Act,” which lets children of illegal aliens pay in-state tuition at Texas universities. It you live in neighboring Arizona, no in-state rates for you; but if your family sneaked illegally into Texas, Gov. Perry wants to give you tuition breaks.

Even the voters of liberal Maryland managed to upend the liberal elites’ goal of passing a “DREAM Act” in that state. So unpopular was the law there, that after a successful petition drive, Maryland voters can now decide its fate themselves in 2012.

9. Bragged About it in Mexico: After he signed the Texas DREAM Act, Gov. Perry went to Mexico to brag about it. According to the Washington Times, he said in Spanish: “Educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.” (Education is the future, and yes we can). Gov. Rick Perry, a supposedly conservative governor from the conservative state of Texas, brags in Mexico about transferring more Texas gringo money to more illegal aliens.

In 2009, Mr. Perry received the “Defender of Jerusalem” award, which is given to public figures who show a commitment to defending Israel and Jerusalem as its capital. “I have long supported the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Middle East,” said the grateful Mr. Perry. He is obviously unconcerned about the rights of a Texan state.

40

Race42012 features a story that the Bushies are leaning hard on Christie to get in and promising a ready made organization for him. 

Who knows?

But if so, it would be a move designed to split the Establishment vote between Christie, Romney and Perry. 

The Bushies are now reported to be strongly hoping Palin enters also, closing off Perry's safety valve in the event of a three way Establishment split.

No wonder the Perrykrishnas want that Palin endorsement so badly.  If this comes to pass, they're gonna need it!

But about that fellas, I heard there was a speech this weekend...

41 Perry is not the guy. 

He said he wants strategic fences, which means fencing off the areas where the crossings are, not wasting time and money fencing off places where nobody is crossing. He also wants the National Guard on the border.

He also said his first day in office will be spent dismantling as much of ObamaCare as he can by executive order.

If Perry is not the guy, who is?

For me, the guy is the person the GOP puts up against Obama.

42
#32 - Plus, he used to be a democrat.  Plus he wants Texas to secede from the U.S.  Plus, he did that vaccine thing.  Plus, he may know somebody who knows somebody who works with somebody who knows somebody who is a muslim.  (Just trying to save you some time.) 

43

feralcat.. please answer the question, no cutnpasty.

 

Come on. 

44 Arrest the G-D Damn Illegals and kick their asses out of the country. That would be a start

It's way too expensive and it's also hugely ineffective.  They come right back.  Particularly the worst of 'em.  The only way to do it is to enforce employment sanctions and they will self-deport.  It happened in Arizona and it is a very easy, clean solution for the rest of the country.  Enforce E-Verify, rain down financial hurt on the employers who don't comply, require proof of citizenship for food stamps, section 8, medical assistance except for life-threatening emergencies and, bingo, problem solved.

45 "Feralkeeton, who's your candidate?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 04, 2011 08:28 PM (PjVdx)"

Charles Martel or Blackjack Pershing. I'll settle for Geert Wilders.

46 28 29 I thought that He was human first.Didn't He doubt before he was arrested?I assumed He was human and therefore imperfect,until He died.

47 You have to go pretty low on the list of GOP candidates on any position to find one "Less than Zero"

48 Sigh. Now "feral cat" you will have to provide links for all that or at least one.................hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Where are your talking points from?

49 Thanks, serious person.

50  He is obviously unconcerned about the rights of a Texan state.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 04, 2011 08:29 PM (parIF)

You lost me at Tom Tancredo there champ. Sorry Perry is beating whoever you candidate is but you will just have to get used to it.

 

51 It's way too expensive and it's also hugely ineffective. They come right back. Particularly the worst of 'em. The only way to do it is to enforce employment sanctions and they will self-deport. It happened in Arizona and it is a very easy, clean solution for the rest of the country. Enforce E-Verify, rain down financial hurt on the employers who don't comply, require proof of citizenship for food stamps, section 8, medical assistance except for life-threatening emergencies and, bingo, problem solved. Posted by: Peaches at September 04, 2011 08:31 PM (/ybwc) I thought by saying fine the employers un the wazzo was the same thing you said?

52 Perry/Gore '12!

53 Charles Martel or Blackjack Pershing.

Yeah, we get that you're not quite "all there".

54 A border fence or wall is one of those ideas which sounds great at first, but is quickly exposed as impractical with any thought.

Fences work very well in highly populated areas with heavy cross-border traffic like San Diego.  El Paso would be another prime location.  But hundreds of miles of fence along rural borders would cost billions and be easily breached.  It would need as much patrolling as unfenced areas to be viable.

That's just reality.

55 In 2009, Mr. Perry received the “Defender of Jerusalem” award, which is given to public figures who show a commitment to defending Israel and Jerusalem as its capital. “I have long supported the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Middle East,” said the grateful Mr. Perry. He is obviously unconcerned about the rights of a Texan state.

Ah! So he's a JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lover! I get where you're coming from now.

56 I endorse senor Ricardo Perry.

57 54 Charles Martel or Blackjack Pershing.

Yeah, we get that you're not quite "all there".

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 04, 2011 08:33 PM (4+wft)

--Yeah, and I bet he's ign'nt of Geert Wilders' lesser-known positions.

58

Not even worth the bother of a reply at this point.

The funny part is how unpersuasive it is.

59 wow, at least 50 comments and not a mention of the Palinator, oh wait.... damn, what have i done!

60 Anyone B. Obama / Gene Republican 2012!!

61 I endorse dead Frenchmen.

62 A fence is only part of the solution.Nobody suggests it will be a panacea.

63 47 No. He is fully human and fully divine. It's called the hypostatic union. He never doubted but asked God if it were his will could the cup be taken from him? He did not doubt but instead assented. He was not imperfect and neither was his mother. Both were free of all sin. He could not be imperfect since he was fully God while fully human. The idea that he was fully human and not God at all would pretty much blow that whole Christianity thing off the map.

64 Anyone B. Obama / Gene Republican 2012!! Posted by: Dave C at September 04, 2011 08:35 PM (hUvc0) Road Kill/ Not a Pedophile 2012

65 Voltaire/Robespierre 2012!

66 http://www.innocentenglish.com/cute-animals/cutest-kitten-pic-13.jpg

67 I thought by saying fine the employers un the wazzo was the same thing you said?

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 04, 2011 08:32 PM (aYQHH)

Well, yeah, nevergiveup, it was.  I'm just saying that all the "detain and deport" stuff is not economically feasible and, if we do this thing right, wholly unnecessary.  As well as almost 100% ineffectual. 

68 I understand someone needs a candidate in here?

69 Charlemagne/Asterix 2012!

70 It's too late for a theology thread.

71 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_RKnA-5nsI/TLfS8BzbEmI/AAAAAAAAAsI/RQBWDCr-iM8/s1600/sad-puppy.jpg

72 65 It's been a long time since Sunday school for me.Thanks for the clarification.Anyway,my point on not expecting perfection still stands.

73 I'm just saying that all the "detain and deport" stuff is not economically feasible and, if we do this thing right, wholly unnecessary. As well as almost 100% ineffectual. Posted by: Peaches at September 04, 2011 08:37 PM (/ybwc) OK your probably right on that point. OK lets just shoot them. Just kidding

74 Still waiting to see.

ABO is absolutely necessary, but I'm tired of holding my nose and voting year after year for the slightly less offensive candidate.  Especially when, on the rare occasion my guy gets in, nothing happens.

I would go for Palin, Perry, etc.  I would stay home for Paul.  I would hold my nose for Mitt.

I would like to go hard for Perry, but there's something about the guy that makes me wonder.

75

In 2009, Mr. Perry received the “Defender of Jerusalem” award, which is given to public figures who show a commitment to defending Israel and Jerusalem as its capital. “I have long supported the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Middle East,” said the grateful Mr. Perry. He is obviously unconcerned about the rights of a Texan state.

Well, at least we have identified where our Paulbot Feral Cat got his talking points. Or maybe just a libtard? The rad left hate Jews too. Perhaps he prefers Obama's position of a homeland for Palistinians---those sweet peaceful little lambs.

76 71 Asterisk.Since I was corrected on a theological question!!

77

In 2009, Mr. Perry received the “Defender of Jerusalem” award, which is given to public figures who show a commitment to defending Israel and Jerusalem as its capital. “I have long supported the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Middle East,” said the grateful Mr. Perry. He is obviously unconcerned about the rights of a Texan state.

Well, at least we have identified where our Paulbot Feral Cat got his talking points. Or maybe just a libtard? The rad left hate Jews too. Perhaps he prefers Obama's position of a homeland for Palistinians---those sweet peaceful little lambs.

Posted by: dagny at September 04, 2011 08:38 PM (c8BT0)

--Yep, he tipped his hand on his preference there. . . .

78 Now that Palins been brought up..., she's would also get my vote.

79 59  --Yeah, and I bet he's ign'nt of Geert Wilders' lesser-known positions.

I kind of suspect he's not.

80 I would like to go hard for Perry, but there's something about the guy that makes me wonder.

Posted by: trainer at September 04, 2011 08:38 PM (DGxyd)

--That's what she he said

81 d'Artagnan/de Sade 2012!

82

Dave - great post.

Isn't it interesting that msm outlets such as AP can without broad implication, attempt to create dissonance over the fact if a conservative candidate for president is conservative enough. And then in the same breath, write about how out of touch the candidate is for being republican.

This is a game to the mainstream media in which they perform like three card monty.  Except they aint' performing in a back alley but in the public domain with clear intention to manipulate that which they cannot stand ------ republican platforms.

83 Diego Montona/Max the Miracle Worker '12

84

Posted by: FeralCat at September 04, 2011 08:29 PM (parIF)

For anyone lurking and wondering about any of this.

85 King Baldwin the Leper/Douglas MacArthur 2012

86 Charles Martel or Blackjack Pershing. I'll settle for Geert Wilders.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 04, 2011 08:31 PM (parIF)


You realize:

1.) Pershing and his entire army didn't stop any illegals from coming in.

2.) He brought back with him undocumented Chinese who were eventually granted citizenship after his venture into Mexico.

However, you know:

"Charles Martel or Blackjack Pershing. I'll settle for Geert Wilders"

Translates into:

"There's nobody out there better than Perry, so no matter what I say you should go ahead and support him."

Pick somebody or, otherwise, your arguments are academic and weak.

87 Pon/ Raul/Nop LuaR 2012 REVOLUTION 2012

88 I like pie

89 All the "Libs" and the MSM and those "concerned" Conservatives are examining every word and stand Perry ever took. That's nice. To bad they never seemed to care one bit what obama ever said, or what he supported, or who his friends were, or what "church" he attended, or Yada Yada Yada.

90 St. Martin of Tours/Richard the Lionheart 2012!

91 EXCEPT the mainstream media doesn't have a monopoly anymore! It's F*cking amazing that this country survived at all without alternative media. You guys realize that without the interwebs there would have been no Swiftboaters et al. It makes them fucking nuts that they aren't in full control anymore. Problem is, we can't believe them and let them convince US that some loose shit "moderate" is who will win. We made our mistake, it was huge, we can't make it again.

92

So, virtual fence.

Buid a fucking real fence. How long would it take? Pick a number. County backward from today by that number. If they had started building it then, when folks were asking for it, it would be done by now.

'They'll just climbs over it!' Then make them climb. If the fence is mostly symbolic, that's OK with me. We could use a symbol that says "This is our land. You will enter it in the light of day, with permission."

I like Perry. But this is big with me. Bigger than his economic record in Texas.

93

Watching "The Miracle Worker" on TCM. Great movie.

It's incomprehensible to me that Helen Keller, who benefited so greatly from free market capitalism and would have been left to rot in a living death in some Soviet asylum under the best of circumstances, could become a communist. It's like Michael Moore: "Sure, I'm a huge success, but YOU'LL never be anything without the glorious state to watch over you."

Still, awesome film.

94 Quincitilius Varus/Lord Raglan 2012!

95 Duncan Hunter 2012, this time he'll double his support to 2% !!!!

96 Vercingetorix/William T. Sherman 2012!

97 "Except someone who was there doubts the shout."

Someone who describes themselves in the same blog entry as "a Rick Perry fan".  No more of an impartial witness than the AP. 

And even if no one really shouted, they should have.  Because Perry really does stink on immigration.  

98 By the way fences work. Just ask Israel. Are fences perfect-no, but they sure do cut down on people getting into a country illegally. Is the border with Mexico much bigger than Israel's with the West Bank- sure but so is America's industrial might. If there is a will it can be done and it would work wonders.

99

So let's see the video evidence then Jon.

 

Serve it up.

100 And even if no one really shouted, they should have.  Because Perry really does stink on immigration.  

Posted by: Jon at September 04, 2011 08:48 PM (eaMza)

--as in Jon Huntsman?

101

Posted by: Pecos at September 04, 2011 08:22 PM (2Gb0y)

 

good point. there are parts of the border that it would cost more to build the infrastructure (roads) to get the equpment in there than it would cost for the fence. there are parts so wild no one will cross so not worth fencing

102 I like ice cream on pie too

103

APRENDER EL ESPANOL!!!

Posted by: VinyFoxy at September 04, 2011 08:49 PM (GZmsj)

--Your Spanish/Spanglish sucks

104 What really scares me is the obvious conservative bias in today's media.

105 The trollbusting is pretty funny.

106 And even if no one really shouted, they should have.  Because Perry really does stink on immigration.  
Posted by: Jon at September 04, 2011 08:48 PM

Fake but accurate?  Hell, if it's good enough for the NYTimes...

107

Posted by: Peaches at September 04, 2011 08:31 PM (/ybwc)

well not long ago Ga. passed some new laws. guess what? alot of folks did the self deport thing,and the laws are not all in effect yet.

and on top of all that. why havent you had a vacation in years?

108 Name your candidate Jon.  Don't be a trolly bitch now.

109 I don't really have a candidate, I'm just a trolling bitch.

110 2012 is not going to be about illegal immigration, right now it's a backburner issue. The focus is the economy and jobs, thanks to the SCOAMF. And ending his sorry term. Rick Perry is the best candidate for the job IMO.

111 IMO, we're witnessing the watershed moments of the BtotheO Irreledency^TM unfold before our very eyes. 

Think back to late 2008, early 2009 and the pure elation and overconfidence that the messiah truly had arrived that the MFM exuded.  You couldn't have gotten any single member of the MFM to fathom a set of scenarios where Obama became not only ineffective, but boring and irrelevant. 

Yet today, as we approach the hard start of the election season, there is much hand-wringing and despair on the left.  Many of them don't even believe he can deliver a simple jobs speech.  Really, the smartest, smoothest, most gifted orator of all time has his cheerleaders questioning his ability to even give a basic speech without looking like a waste.

I believe in those early days, they believed they would even be able to play it straight this election.  Obama's wondrous works would allow them to simply trumpet his awesomeness and watch him cruise to a 2nd of an eventual 10 terms with none of the usually required heavy lifting.  All they had to do was get him elected the 1st time...he was surely the chosen one to deliver the rest.

Now they are reduced to back-peddling, second-guessing, and back-seat driving.  All the while lamenting what should have been and gearing up for what will certainly be the most partisan "neutral" election coverage this side of the Kremlin.

112 No more of an impartial witness than the AP. 

That may be the funniest thing I've read today.

113 As a man of science, I favor the the hoof-and-mouth disease remedy: If there aren't any illegal aliens, then there won't be any. Oh, and forcibly remove the Turks from Turkey. That is all.

114 Look at the RINO's and Paulbots out to get Perry regardless of the truth.

Sucks to be them I suppose. FeralCat is a clown in Paulbot clothing, a joke if you will.

115 Speaking of Jon Huntsman, pic of him meeting his public in Alton Bay, NH.  Quite a crowd there. 

116 Huntsman my good man. Huntsman.

117 If you put mines and sharks with lasar beams on top of the fence................

118

So let's see the video evidence then Jon. Serve it up.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 04, 2011 08:49 PM (PjVdx)

To expect video of one person at a large, *private* gathering shouting is a stretch.

And the thing is, such a video would not be embarassing to the right. The fact that no one shouted, that would be embarrasing.  

119 FeralCat, I'll  join in the chorus...

Who's your candidate?

120 Meow

121 Interesting how you Paultards ignore the Maple Menace hovering just above our northern border. Fucking Canadian-coddling pinkos.

122

CJ, the claim deserves evidence. 

And there ain't any.

So it's just a claim.  By the AP.  I trust them implicitly.  I'm sure you do too.

 

>> Huntsman

 

Hah.. ok.  You can have the low rider.  Good luck!

123 122 FeralCat, I'll  join in the chorus...

Who's your candidate?

Posted by: lu at September 04, 2011 08:57 PM (KXvWm)

Well, apparently a guy who thinks race-baiting and anti-Semitism is a feature not a bug.  So, who does that leave?

124

Incidentally, it wouldn't bother me at all had someone shouted out "NOOOOO".

That's a valid shout.

I'm a bit bothered about the selective reportage.  Not hugely, I expect it.

But let's all know what it is.

125

Well, apparently a guy who thinks race-baiting and anti-Semitism is a feature not a bug.  So, who does that leave?

Obama

126 why havent you had a vacation in years?

Hey, bro!  Here's the thing:  when I can afford it, I can't take the time; when I have the time, I don't have the discretionary funds for the kind of vacation I like (skiing/Rockies/nothing less than a 4-star hotel).  But, I did have those almost-2-years of unemployment and, aside from the certainty that I would never work again and was fully boned, I enjoyed the livin' crap outta that.

127 Sort of OT, but am I alone in the sense that a lot of these ostensible Paulbots/Palinistas/Humsters etc are really part of the Axelrod/MediaNutters astroturf operations? The behavior is so over-the-top that it is a guaranteed turn-off for their supposed candidate, which is why I may be over analyzing this.
Full disclosure- I am in the ABO camp

128

Me and Peaches oughta head to Bora Bora for a couple weeks.

 

She deserves it.

129

muse, no you have it exactly. .Which is why we should always ask them "who's your candidate"?

 

Which of course they dance around.  But hey, Huntsman, that's who the real conservatives are gathering around (hahahaha).

 

Or Charles Martel.

130 Sort of OT, but am I alone in the sense that a lot of these ostensible Paulbots/Palinistas/Humsters etc are really part of the Axelrod/MediaNutters astroturf operations? The behavior is so over-the-top that it is a guaranteed turn-off for their supposed candidate, which is why I may be over analyzing this.

Depends, were you around here in '08?  This is actually pretty toned down from their previous go-around.

Sure, it seems counter-productive, but I the Paulbots were much worse than this.

131 So, don't ask me how I know, but I have been privy to some high-level LuapNor strategerizing.  The most recent (last week) involved a lengthy discussion of posting anonymously on blogs to further their feckless and crapweaselly cause.  Lucky for us, they are the geekiest people to ever walk the earth and, regardless of their unshakable conviction that their shitbird is a sure winner, wrong like Rosie O'Donnell in a sequined g-string.

132

*So it's just a claim. By the AP. I trust them implicitly. I'm sure you do too.*

Not at all. But I not so quick to scream Conspiracy. It is completely understandable that someone would call bullshit on Perry's dodge. And hopeful.

I don't think I can recall MSM making shit up to serve a conservative position.

133 dang it......... i know, it's kinda how it works out for me. when i have time todo something fun, not enough money. when i have the money, not enough time.

134 I have no candidate. And no candidate has me. I don't jump on the latest fad. Perry hasn't even been in one debate with the others yet and some already want to elope with him. Very foolish. First he has a lot of explaining to do.

135 First he has a lot of explaining to do.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 04, 2011 09:12 PM (GZmsj)

First of all, you annoying little shitbird, it someone has to explain it to you, you really wouldn't understand.  Second, I know a fuckin' Paultard when I see one and you are just exuding that kind of stupid.  Go away.  I can't believe I even spoke to you.

136 Lucy!!!!

137 In the end, I'll vote for whoever is the nominee. But I'd really like to vote for someone who will reign in the executive branch, and require Congress to do its job - which includes determining spending.

Killing Obamacare dead wouldn't hurt.

Mostly, though, I want rid of Obama, and would really prefer not to have to vote for Romney, who does not strike me as the sort of man who will do these things.

138

am I alone in the sense that a lot of these ostensible Paulbots/Palinistas/Humsters etc are really part of the Axelrod/MediaNutters astroturf operations?

 

I hope so. LetÂ’s keep the paranoia to a minimum.

139 @131 no you're not alone in thinking this, last night in the middle Ace raining down hellfire on the thread that shall not be mentioned, someone stole my nic and was shilling for Palin. I am still pissed about it. It was an obvious ploy to keep the flame war going.

140 138 I have no candidate.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 04, 2011 09:12 PM (GZmsj)


So, Perry then.

I have some issues with the guy, which I already stated here, but you either pick a guy or you're engaging in intellectual masturbation.

Say, he stands by his position.  Then what?  Argue here who's the better candidate--i.e., more conservative with a chance to beat Obama.

141

CJ, noting convenient edits by the AP is hardly "conspiracy mongering".

Come on, even without the "yell", the selective quote is purposefully damning.

 

FeralPaulBot, the first debate is next week.  He doesn't have to explain shit to me, I've been watching for 12 years. You go coach Martel honey.

142 Paulians were definitely worse in the last presidential election.  Any mention of his name on any political website would bring the swarm along with their ALL CAPS POSTING and their !!1!!11!!!1!s.

"...regardless of their unshakable conviction that their shitbird is a sure winner, wrong like Rosie O'Donnell in a sequined g-string."

LOL!   

143 Marcus Aurelius/Chesty Puller 2012!

144

Actually, I haven't decided who I support yet.  I know who I don't support and that's Palin, Paul, and Perry. 

 

145

Dave,

First, I LIKE Perry. I don't enjoy throwing cold water on this. But:

1. The AP didn't "edit" anything. It sends the article out and outlets edit. Yahoo News took out the followup line about (sigh) "strategic fencing."

Different versions of AP articles appear in different outlets every day.

2. So one blogger was near Perry and didn't hear it. If he wasn't near the shouter, that could be the problem.

3. Is the theory that the shouter was actually protesting the followup line? That makes even less sense.

I can't believe we might nominate our third candidate in a row who is a sellout on border security. Fuck.

 

146 Hadrian/Random Ming Emperor 2012!

147 'They'll just climbs over it!' Then make them climb. If the fence is mostly symbolic, that's OK with me. We could use a symbol that says "This is our land. You will enter it in the light of day, with permission."

That's the way I feel.  Plus, it's infrastructure spending.  Stimulus!

148 Terrahawk either supports Mittens, Gingrich, or Bachman. Two has beens and a never was. Or Ron {PAUL!! A crank.

149

150 141..I share your concerns about Romney.  He is, IMO, a man who actually believes the government is a power to be used in most problems confronting a nation.

I'll pass if he's the nominee.

151 I'll pass if he's the nominee.

Not me.  I'll wear the cornbrerro if that's what it takes.   ABBO.

Do it for the children, do it, for America.

152 So Perry is a sellout regarding border security. He calls for troops, selective fencing, and Predator drones to be used on the border and states there will be no immigration reform without first securing the border.

People and their lies. Shocking that supporters of third tier candidates, one of which isn't even in the race now, stoop to slurring the next President of the United States, Rick Perry.

153

>> 1. The AP didn't "edit" anything. It sends the article out and outlets edit. Yahoo News took out the followup line about (sigh) "strategic fencing."

Uhm, I kinda think you're too smart not to get the point of that, without quibbling over "oo killed oo".

>> I can't believe we might nominate our third candidate in a row who is a sellout on border security. Fuck.

And now you lost me.

What is your border security solution?  I'm actually not opposed to a guest worker program, actually knowing and documenting who's here doing productive work as opposed to crime.

154
This is an excellent post. It is very informative. Thank you so much. I'll be a regular viewer.

155 No Sir I don't trust Goat Boy Perry. I am sticking with Presadant Obama. No to that IDIOUT PERRY............

156 Rick Perry can't hold a candle to all the fantasy candidates in my head!

157

"Solution" to the lack of border security, how about "secure" the "border"? Start with a fence. Start with more manpower. I don't care if all the smarty pants say it's "hopeless." The symbolism of an unsercured border disrespected at will is devastating. A nation is not a nation without borders, and borders that aren't defended and recognized are not, by definition, borders.

We are a pathetic country in that regard.

That is totally seperate from guest workers, etc. I'm for that too. Let migrants come and go, but documented in and. If you come just to work and have no intention of declaring citizenship, fine. Don't lie. Leave when the work season is up.

Everyone is welcome. Just come in the front door and leave when asked. That's fair, doable platform.

 

158 we don't disagree then

159 Thanks a lot.

Somebody upthread said 'Blackjack Pershing' I just got back from a two hour trip down memory lane. IMHO Pershing knew exactly how to deal/message/optics our 'moose-limb' 'problem'

Of course back then ROE was more like 'how long do I wait before starting the carnage?'

160 "Posted by: Peaches at September 04, 2011 09:13 PM (/ybwc)"

You have the mind of a two year old and I'll bet the two year old was glad to be rid of it.

161

Everyone is welcome. Just come in the front door and leave when asked. That's fair, doable platform.

 

Posted by: CJ

Couldn't agree more.

162 You have the mind of a two year old and I'll bet the two year old was glad to be rid of it.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 04, 2011 10:21 PM (vfiok)

Not as glad as he was to have the diaper he shit you into changed.  But, hey,  thanks for playing. 

163 The epub spam is really funny on this thread.

164 Central Texas is burning tonight. Bastrop area, 16mi x 4 mi fire, 300+ homes. West Austin area (Steiner Ranch) is burning, 25+ homes. Cedar Park, and many other smaller regional areas.
You can listen in as people are calling in the latest details.
http://www.newsradioklbj.com/Other/Stream.html

165 I'm with Dave in Tx regarding the fence. For those who do not live in Tx I think is hard to imagine how big Tx is not to mention the terrain separating us from Mexico. Boots on the ground and modern technology is the logical answer along with enforcing current laws. May God bless this country! We need it!

166

Damn, does FeralCat get around, or what?  Go to any article about Perry and there is FeralCat, posting his same, tired crap gleened from Ron Pauls Daily Paul and the lunatic Alex Jones' website.

But ask him to do anything but give talking points, and the guy disappears.

Now, here is the thing FeralCat, and his minions, will never tell you about:

Texas is bordered by mountains and a river.  Going over the mountains with a fence is tough enough (it only took the Chinese hundreds of years) but how do you put a fence in  the middle of a damned river?  Or do you just exercise eminent domain, which FeralCat bitches about, and take the land from the Texas ranchers who use the river to water their cattle?  If you can't put the fence right down the center of the river, do you just give the entire river to the Mexicans?  Yeah, that should work out well.

Boots on the ground; enforce existing laws; punish employers who knowing hire illegals; get California to stop giving them welfare checks; and make Sheriff Joe VP.

167 It's not so much that he thinks the wall is expensive and maybe ineffective. (all could be true) it's that he summarily dismissed the possibility and threw out an alternative that is just as expensive and is just a human version of whack-a-mole (strategic fencing just shifts the jumpers to somewhere else so what's the point?) that turns me off.

I don't really give to hoots WHAT he thinks about this particular issue.
BUILD THE F'N FENCE. BUILD IT NOW. Then come talk to me when/if it doesn't work.

I'm beginning to think he's just a more glib and facile liar pol than Mittens. Let's see if he starts flipflopping around in a few months on stuff that he starts catching flak over.

168 Outsiders may fault Perry for not going full Yosemite Sam on illegals and breaking ground on the Great Wall of Texas, but the man knows his state. The state's demo is such that talk of roundups and ID checks, however exaggerated, would hit awfully close to home for 37% or so of Texans who might take issue with their grandma being detained in an HEB parking lot to have her papers checked. All in all, he's played this issue as well as anyone could. His push against sanctuary cities was about the outer boundary of whats doable here.

169  So, we put up a humongous wall all along the river bed where our ranchers water their cattle, sheep and goats. We then try to figure out how to get the water over the wall to the hundreds of thousands of acres of south Texas farmland. Um, how do we make water flow over this wall? How do we make the water from the winter and spring rains (if we ever see rain again) run down the creeks and into the river?

 There are some damned good reasons why Perry does not wish for a wall all along the border. He wants fences along populated ares, border patrols with the authority to DO something andthe law to be upheld.

 Don't believe Perry cares about illegals. Hell, we have more illegals locked up in Texas than the US government has. Perry even let 'em execute one.

170 A border fence would be a bigger waste of money than the stimulus.

Seriously. Miles of desert doesn't stop them, but a fence will?

"I'm sorry, Maria, we can't go to America. Wire cutters are too hard to come by."

171 If George Bush had make a crack like that about that fence...people would have been calling him Jorge...as well as traitor. If I had a dollar for every time I heard some hardliners say Just build the fence..I could pay off my car.

I will probably end up voting for Rick Perry, but I have no doubt that he is more liberal on immigration than George Bush is.

I also think he says some things in his book that will give him problems.

Such as social security is unconstitutional..well, does he plan on taking that to the Supreme Court? And medicare..he complains about Part D...but he thought Hillary Care was a fine thing.

The problem with Perry is that he has been in office so long he has a record and a book to deal with.

That can be good and that can be bad.

172 I seem to recall candidate for Governor Perry wearing a WW2 style bomber jacket, standing at the border and saying something along the lines of "build the damn fence".  Can't remember his exact words.  The guy is a politician, prone to say different things to different audiences, especially during the campaign, and then do something else after the election. 

173

Perry is correct.  How could America spend billions on a fence, as nothing more than a symbol (hey wait, a fence <i>would</i> at least be a symbol of something to the illegal alien trying to enter, as well as the liberal traitor comparing us to East Germany, both symbols would be great ways to spread the messages they respectively represent) of our wasted funds and excess, when there are hundreds more potential Solyndras to spend billions on?

 

This idea America has money to defend its borders with the oldest, best defense (a fence) is absurd, and if you don't live in Texas, then shut the hell up, CAUSE YOU DON'T GET TEXAS JERK.

In Texas, they don't lock their car doors.  After all, people start locking their doors and the sales of car lock slim jims just go up... you can't stop it... jerk.

 

And logisitics don't matter in Texas:  making folks go hundreds of miles into the bush with a 40' ladder isn't going to deter anybody from anything ever, and only a jerk would think defending against invaders from invading as opposed to jailing their potential employer (who didn't realize it was their job to enforce the federal government's obligation via the constitution) is gonna work.

 

NOT. IN. TEXAS.

 

PUNK.

 

We need employers thrown in jail, Hell, prison (we'll get those rich bastards) and any rapist or robbing murderer who doesn't want a job to waltz right aside the end of the small, urban fence Perry might scrape some cash together to build.

 

 

 

 

 

 

174

Let's ask *all* the candidates about the issue of illegal immigration.

Let's ask Sarah Palin too, whose supporters claim she is a candidate.......even though we are not allowed to ask her the same tough questions that are being asked of the other candidates.

Just because Perry is governor of a border state, why is he being singled out for scrutiny on this subject?......Since when is it a governor's job to seal the border? That is the Federal Government's job.

Building the fence would require the use of Eminent Domain to take miles and miles of private land. Are people okay with that?

 

175 #183, Perry is not getting anymore attention than anyone else on this issue. not really. but my guess is that he will get some questions on this just because he has made an issue of it himself.

176 184 #183, Perry is not getting anymore attention than anyone else on this issue. not really. but my guess is that he will get some questions on this just because he has made an issue of it himself.

Posted by: Terrye at September 05, 2011 10:56 AM (j8jdm)

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That is simply not true, on both counts.

When have any of the other candidates even been asked a question about illegal immigration? From what I have read, and watched, this issue has only come up after Perry entered the race.

All the other candidates [even Palin] have squishy sound-bite positions on the issue of the border and illegal immigration.......if you can even find anything on their 'positions' on this. At least Perry is against amnesty, which separates him from Bush.

Perry has had this issue forced upon him because he is the governor of Texas..... But it is Federal issue that each of the candidates should be forced to elaborate on.

177 Bullshit with this tepid defense of Perry's immigration record.  He sucks on immigration, end of story.

I thought we'd learned from Bush that if the candidate sucks on an issue, the only way to get any action on the issue is to hold his feet to the fire on it, relentlessly. 

We need more partisans for conservative positions and less partisans for conservative politicians. 

Rip Perry when he deserves it.  He does on immigration.

178

183:

 

Are you serious?   Do you think the people in Texas want an open border?   What a joke.  Perry has always been weak on illegal immigration and he has not done anything to enforce the borders.  He has gone out of his way to attack others though.

 

Perry is a candidate of the media.  He is bad news.