January 04, 2011
— Ace He prances and preens like he's some kind of Ernst Stavro Blofeld, but he's really a child running around with a shiny new toy of scissors.
Zimbabwe's last best hope is probably going to wind up getting the death penalty thanks to Captain Oblivious' utter inability to do any sort of homework. Selectiveness is difficult, requiring hours of reading and evaluating. Better just to put all of Pfc. Manning's cables out there and let other people, like insane dictator Robert Mugabe, figure out what it all means.
Mugabe has tortured this guy and tried to kill him multiple times. Last time round, he only wounded Tsvangirai, but did manage to murder his wife. Julian Assange has given Mugabe pretext to do what he's been trying to do secretly for years, now finally "legal." Because WikiLeaks has exposed that behind the scenes, Tsvangirai was agitating for sanctions and restrictions on Zimbabwe diplomats' travel.
Publicly, Tsvangirai opposed the measures out of political necessity. In private conversations with western diplomats, however, the ascendant Tsvangirai praised its utility in forcing Mugabe's hand in the new unity government.Now, in the wake of the WikiLeaks' release, one of the men targeted by US and EU travel and asset freezes, Mugabe's appointed attorney general, has launched a probe to investigate Tsvangirai's involvement in sustained western sanctions. If found guilty, Tsvangirai will face the death penalty.
And so, where Mugabe's strong-arming, torture and assassination attempts have failed to eliminate the leading figure of Zimbabwe's democratic opposition, WikiLeaks may yet succeed. Twenty years of sacrifice and suffering by Tsvangirai all for naught, as WikiLeaks risks "collateral murder" in the name of transparency.
Before more political carnage is wrought and more blood spilled – in Africa and elsewhere, with special concern for those US-sympathising Afghans fingered in its last war document dump – WikiLeaks ought to leave international relations to those who understand it – at least to those who understand the value of a life.
Take a bow, Julian. Thank God we have you to protect us all against secrecy. Like the horrible secrecy of an opposition leader hoping to depose an insane, murderous tyrant.
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Posted by: AndrewsDad at January 04, 2011 03:25 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: Kaitian at January 04, 2011 03:29 PM (yFt7r)
Posted by: Is It Just Me at January 04, 2011 03:29 PM (9eS7g)
Posted by: Baracky Road To Serfdom at January 04, 2011 03:30 PM (9eS7g)
Selectiveness is difficult, requiring hours of reading and evaluating. Better just to put all of Pfc. Manning's cables out there and let other people, like insane dictator Robert Mugabe, figure out what it all means.
That's not entirely true - he has been selective with the cables for purposes of blackmail.
He's sitting on hundreds of thousands of cables that will only be released in the event of his serious arrest or demise.
Posted by: The Q at January 04, 2011 03:31 PM (5qBd2)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 03:31 PM (0GFWk)
Next up on Ace: Chinese oppression of human rights dissidents ALSO the fault of Wikileaks.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:32 PM (vd872)
Posted by: Kaitian at January 04, 2011 03:33 PM (yFt7r)
We've got an effete, limp-wristed, supposed rapist running roughshod over the world.
The mind boggles.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 03:34 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at January 04, 2011 03:34 PM (KGBoc)
we'll get serious with Assange when he says 'fag'
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 07:25 PM (5iMvt)
really says something for the administration when they're willing to sack a magnificent career Navy officer for saying fag, and do nothing about Jazz Hands.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 03:35 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:36 PM (vd872)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 04, 2011 03:36 PM (tJjm/)
Two more things on WikiLeaks that explain some of Obama's seemingly ridiculous actions (admittedly coming from lefty moonbat blogs):
1. The DOJ's witchunt over the torture memos was a sham just to give the Heisman to other countries who actually would have prosecuted our guys.
I personally blame Holder for releasing the memos in the first place, which caused the entire mess.
2. Sir Golfsalot's executive order decrying the GOP keeping Gitmo open is to let Hillary! work with other countries to keep our counterterror ops going.
Posted by: The Q at January 04, 2011 03:39 PM (5qBd2)
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 04, 2011 03:39 PM (6WYHq)
Posted by: Kaitian at January 04, 2011 03:40 PM (yFt7r)
Posted by: Arabs at January 04, 2011 03:41 PM (5qBd2)
Would all you people hate Wikileaks as much if they'd released the diplomatic cables of, say, the UK or China?
Are you a dunce? Would you give a shit if China's secrets were leaked?
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 03:41 PM (5iMvt)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 04, 2011 03:41 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: The Q at January 04, 2011 03:41 PM (5qBd2)
He was sitting in a bar at the airport, drinking with a British colonel, when the colonel suddenly said, "I say, I see a spot of trouble over there." He and my dad hopped onto a jeep and rode over to a fence separating a bunch of angry people looking to riot on the airfield. Dad said the Brit stood up, spoke in English to the mass of people, they had no idea what he said, but applauded and left.
Those were the days.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 03:42 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Kaitian at January 04, 2011 03:42 PM (yFt7r)
17 Yes, he's that bad (because now the legality issue comes up)...and really "I'm wearing you" is just such a stupid line; any guy who says shit like that deserves to smacked pee pee....for being a smarmy fag, or just for being stupid enough as to say such a smarmy, fag thing (there, I said it -- I denounce myself).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 03:43 PM (5/yRG)
meanwhile...
Obama's Department of Social Justice is investigating Christine O'Donnell's campaigns from years ago .
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 03:43 PM (5iMvt)
No, but I don't care that the Wikileaks released the US cables either. Like I said, I was trying to figure out whether the objections to Wikileaks were parochial or principled. If they're parochial, it seems then that, to take the position people here seem to be taking, there has to be an unquestioned assumption that the USFG makes correct decisions when choosing to classify documents, and that those decisions should remain functionally unquestioned.
So my followup question is: why do you make that assumption? Why trust the government in that decision as opposed to any other decision that they've shown no particular competence in making?
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:43 PM (vd872)
Nation-states keep some things secret for a reason, you pathetic little idiot. Now go run along and play with your Sesame Street toys, and leave serious matters to the grown adults.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 04, 2011 03:44 PM (3nsty)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:45 PM (vd872)
But yet the Brits did, along with most of their Empire, at our behest.
Still, and Mark Steyn makes this point, more countries follow the British model of governance than ours. Small consolation, no?
/Which makes our system all the more unique among the Earth.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 04, 2011 03:46 PM (M+8TM)
It's not about trusting the govt.
It's about protecting our nation's secrets from the rest of the world.
We're fortunate enough to change our govt every election cycle -- so we'll deal with the shitbags in govt that way. But we should never allow foreigners to get their hands/peepers on our secrets.
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 03:48 PM (5iMvt)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:48 PM (vd872)
So your position is that diplomatic cables should be published so we can see if they should have been kept secret? What kind of fucking retard are you?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 03:49 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:50 PM (vd872)
I'm not a birther, but this shit would be fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 03:50 PM (UOM48)
And it's not so much about hate as a desire for justice. Assange wants to play at spycraft, so he needs to be treated as such. And professionally introduced to an empty elevator shaft (Or polonium in his milk if it turns out he does have stuff on the Russians).
Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2011 03:50 PM (Ew1k4)
Mmm. Principled vs. parochial. I can just hear that dripping off the lips of some NPR clone.
Mmm.
They say that a lot too.
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 03:50 PM (61iai)
Personally, I'm trying to work it into as many conversations as possible. Sure, that guy is a doucher but, "I'm wearing you" is a modern day classic. Especially if you say it in a cool accent.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at January 04, 2011 03:51 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:45 PM (vd872)
HemRoid, we elect leaders to make those decisions here. Obviously you beleive like Assange does that some unelected computer nerd and his gay treasonous buddy can just step in and override those decisions.
You're wrong.
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 03:51 PM (hVDig)
See?
This is how Libertarians think.
They're all like this, too. Fucking stupid. They never think about consequences. Their litmus test is: How does this affect me, personally?
Shitheads.
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 03:51 PM (/AACO)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:52 PM (vd872)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 04, 2011 03:52 PM (tJjm/)
36 So, according to your line of reasoning, if a government knew that in exactly 7 months a meteor was going to strike Earth, wiping out life as we know it, then they should not keep that a secret -- even though intelligence gathering had proven that telling the world's population would cause mass hysteria, chaos, and suffering -- they should just let people run riot for 7 months raping, pillaging, and murdering, 'cause it's all truthful and principled and shit?
And please, so not use this arguement of mine and come back with: but people could come to some higher philosophical understanding and they would all buy each other a Coke and sing and hug...because if you believe that, I have some things to sell you (and people who are all up with Assange are, from what I have seen, thinking along those lines: no more secrets means everyone will learn to love and be honest with one another!...sucker please).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 03:52 PM (5/yRG)
If China nuked Los Angeles, every single Libertarian on the East
Coast would say, "So? Doesn't affect me."
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 03:53 PM (/AACO)
The killing of our allies is a feature, not a bug. By making it harder for anyone to work with us, we are less effective in carrying out our foreign policy.
Assange is a threat to the security of the USA, and should be killed as soon as it can be arranged.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 04, 2011 03:53 PM (DsU01)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 04, 2011 03:54 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: DC Teacher's Unions Against Vouchers at January 04, 2011 03:55 PM (as27f)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 03:55 PM (5/yRG)
Also, just as a side note, Assange isn't treasonous. He's not a US citizen.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:55 PM (vd872)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 03:55 PM (0GFWk)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 03:57 PM (eCAn3)
55
If China nuked Los Angeles, every single Libertarian on the East
Coast Tea Partier in flyover country would has earned the right to say, "So? Doesn't affect me."
FIFY?
Posted by: The Q at January 04, 2011 03:58 PM (5qBd2)
Posted by: UGAdawg at January 04, 2011 03:58 PM (/VjHB)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:55 PM (vd872)
Doesn't need to be to be a security threat.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 03:58 PM (eCAn3)
So the people we elect to make these kinds of decisions on our behalf cannot ever be trusted, yet people like you and Asshat feel that you guys have the unilateral power to decide what should and shouldn't be secret? Um, who elected you?
Besides, what you fail to realize that sometimes the government keeps things secret not to cover their own ass, but to protect others such as this Zimbabwe Opposition Leader who are working in countries that, well...don't have our freedoms and protections.
And we have a great deal of things other than these foreign policy secrets to judge our politicians' performance at the ballot box on Election Day. Did Wikileaks contribute to the Dem's drubbing back in November?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 04, 2011 03:59 PM (M+8TM)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 03:59 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 03:59 PM (vd872)
Assange + Mugabe. One bullet.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 04, 2011 07:51 PM (0fzsA)
Line up the earholes with the part where the bullet comes out?
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 03:59 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:55 PM (vd872)
Reading or the understanding of the US Government isn't your strong suit is it HemRoid?
I said Assange and his gay treasonous buddy, Pfc Manning. Have you heard of congressional oversight? That is where members of both parties in congress are given security briefings regarding what the government is keeping a secret.
You need some help.
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (hVDig)
Clarence, our republic is set up with shit like separation of powers and shit like checks and balances...and elected representatives...and civilian control of the military.
It all adds up to what, Clarence?
To ACCOUNTABILITY.
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (/AACO)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (vd872)
Since he's not a US citizen, he doesn't get our Constitutional protections and he cannot hide behind the First Amendment. Thanks for the clarification,
. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (M+8TM)
I say we call his bluff and kill him. Hillary can survive a bit more embarrassment.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (S5YRY)
Got Dead Birds???
Fish???
Why not any Other critters?
Total f'en BS.
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Posted by: RJ at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (CyPWX)
Posted by: Gen. Dwight D Eisenhower at January 04, 2011 04:01 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 04:02 PM (0GFWk)
So your position is that diplomatic cables should be published so we can see if they should have been kept secret?
Cut, Jib, Newsletter.
Posted by: Nancy "Pass it so we can see what's in it" Pelosi at January 04, 2011 04:02 PM (saRwI)
He's treasonous to Australia, but they're a bunch of fags and won't do anything about it.
Posted by: toby928™ killing his chances for promotion at January 04, 2011 04:02 PM (S5YRY)
Hey, why didn't Ike make it clear he was landing at Normandy rather than Calais?
I want a re-do!
Posted by: Herr Hitler, tweeting from the Ninth Circle of Hell at January 04, 2011 04:03 PM (M+8TM)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:00 PM (vd872)
You really are fucked in the head, you know that? Do you care if and when the information leads to US servicemen and women deaths in an active theater?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:03 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 07:57 PM (eCAn3)
--And after all we're only ordinary men.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 04:04 PM (BP6Z1)
Our CIA have their balls in Moochelle's handbag, along with Barky's.
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Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 04:04 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 04:05 PM (0GFWk)
Re: the Zimbabwe guy, he was ALREADY fucked. Wikileaks didn't fuck him harder or faster. He was done fucked from Day 1, because that's what fucking tyrants like Mugabe do. They don't need reasons or excuses or the wisps of legality to fuck you from stem to stern, they can just DO it, and they do.
Re: Wikileaks effect on the election, that's kind of my point, but it also leads into a further discussion of what sort of accountability elections actually provide.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:05 PM (vd872)
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Sigh. I had such high hopes for the future of libtards to grow up.
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Posted by: mijian65 at January 04, 2011 04:07 PM (UzYYK)
Posted by: Barack Obama (The Incredible Shrinking POTUS) at January 04, 2011 04:07 PM (HjxoE)
Re: Congressional oversight, that's the fox watching the hen house. It's the government telling the government that the government is doing a good job, and the people involved are, in general, not particularly concerned with individual freedom. That a panel of Congressmen double-checks the Executives work to make sure that they aren't keeping TOO much under wraps brings me no satisfaction.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:08 PM (vd872)
71 Well, continuing with my cherry picked arguement, you mean to tell me you couldn't "meet your death in a manner most befitting" in the few hours prior? I suppose there would be all that estate planning to do.//
And by the way: my arguement was cherry picked for a reason: it was pretty over the top but pointed to the concept of doing something for the greater good. Now, governments keeping secrets on surface does not look like the greater good...but sometimes reality isn't black and white. There are probably things that the "average folks" probably should know; hopefully through the process of voting we have a government worth trusting with those secrets; although it isn't always the case, true. Still, how would knowledge of any of it do any good for the "average folks" -- is this helping the "average folks" of Zimbabwe? Did it help the "average folks" of Afghanistan? Does it help the "average folks" of anyplace else?
Or did it get Julie and his groupies another moment of pud pulling while fantasizing themselves to be Fox, Scully, and 007 for another day? A little bit of the old feeling important after all?
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:08 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Danish Jews exiled to Prague in 1943. at January 04, 2011 04:09 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: toby928™ killing his chances for promotion at January 04, 2011 04:09 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: twiceblessedmom at January 04, 2011 04:09 PM (HjxoE)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:10 PM (vd872)
You, I, and everyone else on this planet are all individual human beings, and we shouldn't be prevented from choosing to meet our end in any way we see fit. No authority has the right to take away my decision to face Death with my eyes open.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:59 PM (vd872)
Ever consider the possibility that maybe someone else's way to meet his end in an End-of-Planet scenario involves balancing the score with an ex, or perhaps IEDing a church, synagogue, or mosque where the faithful have gathered to pray? Maybe he wants to take out all the Scientists who "caused" the event?
Maybe it's not the authorities that take away your decision to face Death with your eyes open, rather your crackpot neighbor who stops taking his lithium meds.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 04:10 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 04:10 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: havedash at January 04, 2011 04:12 PM (pQJ1M)
Add me to your rage. I can't even imagine. However, a friend of mine asked, "If you had lost your son, and Obama called to offer condolences, would you have taken the call?" And honestly, I think I would have declined. I only pray I never have to know.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 04:13 PM (UOM48)
Rothbard replied that yes, that's exactly what should be done, because the situation's already fucked beyond repair anyway, and maybe you can do some little bit of good explaining to an average solider just how it is he ended up in a rice field in Vietnam in the first place, and that way, maybe if he got home, he'd realize just how corrupt the state, all states, truly are, and refuse to be a part of it.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:15 PM (vd872)
So, Roid, I guess you'd be all for the release of all those secrets you keep on your little hosting & domain site, right? I mean, who should be able to keep secrets?
You've been here before & tried this, if I recall. You said you just wanted to stir up some attention to try & draw people to your site.
You're that kind of chubby, semi-bald kid, aren't you?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:15 PM (KqBTY)
104 Thank you for a much more eloquent back up to my original arguement than I gave.
Unfortunately some people (cough, cough DMX) have obviously fallen for the whole Rousseauean concept of the nobility of natural man...and watched too many X Files and Mikey Moore shows.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:15 PM (5/yRG)
He was done fucked from Day 1, because that's what fucking tyrants like Mugabe do. They don't need reasons or excuses or the wisps of legality to fuck you from stem to stern, they can just DO it, and they do.
This junior asswipe never read anything about the Third Reich.
Before perpetrating their atrocities they made all their actions legal.
That's how tyrants do things.
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 04, 2011 04:15 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:08 PM (vd872)
You know what dosen't give me to much satisfaction? YOU HEMROID. Goddamn conspiracy theroists, our government doesn't need hide to fuck us jackwagon, they do it right out in the open where we can watch them and then they give us a fuck you sandwich and say even if you liked the way things were we are going to fuck it up anyway!
Tissue?
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 04:17 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 04:19 PM (DLxD/)
Add me to your rage. I can't even imagine. However, a friend of mine asked, "If you had lost your son, and Obama called to offer condolences, would you have taken the call?" And honestly, I think I would have declined. I only pray I never have to know.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 08:13 PM (UOM4
If my kid was killed due to wikileaks having compromised him, his cohort or those around him, Jazz Hands would be a dead man. And I wouldn't take the call from Toonces.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:19 PM (eCAn3)
The problem with your "average folks" formulation is the question of who gets to decide what constitutes "average". The only delimiter between "average" and "non-average" we have in this situation is who they work for. If it's for Uncle Sam, they're non-average, if it's for their Uncle Tony, they're average. That seems to me to be an arbitrary and unhelpful distinction that puts all the power over information in the hands of the group with the biggest incentive to keep the populace as ignorant as possible.
Of course the Afghans and Zimbabweans aren't better off b/c of WikiLeaks. They're so far down the scale of fucked that it's completely irrelevant for them. We're better off for it though.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:20 PM (vd872)
Oh God, this fucking retard is a utopian anarchist.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 04:20 PM (ly8QF)
109 As a person who has personal acquaintance with those "soldiers on the road" -- they know exactly why they are there.
It's dipshits of the "let me explain it to you" type that don't seem to quite get it and in so doing tend to frak it all up for said "soldiers" (and then you wonder why those "soldiers" usually can't stand your guts...imagine that).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:20 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 04:21 PM (0GFWk)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:22 PM (vd872)
Your argument is asinine. It's the kind of thing that someone with the mental sophistication of a nine year old comes up with. When it comes to national defense there are secrets that must be kept. And since the government is responsible for national defense, who else is there to trust with those secrets?
Or would you have the military do all of its communication in the clear, just to be safe?
It's people like you what cause unrest.
Posted by: brian at January 04, 2011 04:24 PM (y05cf)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 08:20 PM (ly8QF)
Maybe, but from his pic that all got to see last time he appeared, he's just a chubby, dorky guy that hangs out in front of his computer all day. Possibly in the basement.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:26 PM (KqBTY)
But nothing for the dead fill or red-winged blackbirds? WTF?!!!
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 04:26 PM (IDL9N)
Maybe, but from his pic that all got to see last time he appeared, he's just a chubby, dorky guy that hangs out in front of his computer all day. Possibly in the basement.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 08:26 PM (KqBTY)
it's Carhles?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:26 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:27 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:27 PM (vd872)
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 04:27 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:20 PM (vd872)
Just wow. If this is what libertarians are all about, I can see why they've never gotten anywhere in this country.
Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2011 04:27 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:23 PM (vd872)
And, haven't you offered to host illegal fight clubs on that site?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:28 PM (KqBTY)
I never heard that one? What did he say?
Something to the effect that Clinton wasn't fit to be Commander in Chief. Not like he spat on him or anything. But it's hearsay.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 04:29 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:29 PM (5/yRG)
it's Carhles?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 08:26 PM (eCAn3)
Think younger, dorkier, and with just wisps of flyaway hair.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:29 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:29 PM (vd872)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:30 PM (vd872)
You give them too much credit. It's not like Rothbardians are having any effect in the world.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 04:30 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: brian at January 04, 2011 04:31 PM (y05cf)
Think younger, dorkier, and with just wisps of flyaway hair.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 08:29 PM (KqBTY)
Justin Bieber?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:31 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:29 PM (vd872)
I think you should continue to run off at the mouth. That worked out well for you last time you were here. Have you forgotten?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:32 PM (KqBTY)
You're dead either way, either you go out free or you go out a slave.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:22 PM (vd872)
During the Spanish Civil War the anti-Royalist Anarchists, sitting in trenches, would take a vote as to whether they would make an infantry charge.After the vote, Franco's fascists would shoot the Anarchists who refused to charge in the back.
That's the way things work out for dumbfucks like you.
Time for football now, not foolboys.
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 04, 2011 04:32 PM (7+pP9)
Justin Bieber?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 08:31 PM (eCAn3)
Waaay fatter, and butt ugly.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:33 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:33 PM (vd872)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:34 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 04:34 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:33 PM (vd872)
Newsflash for you, and feel free to rage down in your dank smelly basement, but you're a fringer pal. You ain't ever going to get a "crack at it".
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:35 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:35 PM (vd872)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011
Ah! We are witnessing the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind!
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 04:36 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: twiceblessedmom at January 04, 2011 04:36 PM (HjxoE)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 08:34 PM (UOM4
Not so much, no. He's impotent in every way that matters.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 04:36 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:37 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at January 04, 2011 04:37 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:37 PM (vd872)
Posted by: RushBabe at January 04, 2011 04:38 PM (urYpw)
The clarion call of the SimCity Revolutionary. Comedy gold.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 04:38 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:39 PM (vd872)
I'm pretty sure someone would rub that twat out for a case of Top Ramen and cab fare.
Posted by: sifty this shit delende est at January 04, 2011 04:39 PM (L6ppJ)
My male cousin in FL is rich and successful, and married to the meanest, fucking harridan on planet earth. My sister believes that he must have killed someone while at FSU, and his "wife" knows the details. Thus, in spite of having no children, he's stayed married to the world's ugliest, meanest, cruelest bitch ever.
At my dad's funeral, the bitch bragged to my husband that she was a Razor Back cheerleader. D'oh responded, brilliantly, "Well, that explains everything. Soooeeeeh Pig!"
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 04:39 PM (UOM48)
Roid, you are one simple motherfucker.
Let me see if I've gotten your point here - since government is bad, everything that government does is bad, and if government had never existed we'd have no need for secrets because nothing bad would exist.
simplistic, childish.
I don't know if you were paying much attention lately, but in the last election there was a considerable amount of "unrest", just not the kind you and your ilk cause.
No, you cause people to question reality by making them think that the government is keeping secrets about who killed the twin towers or who flew a plane into JFK's head. Idiots like you need to be put in rooms with padded walls so you can't hurt yourselves.
Posted by: brian at January 04, 2011 04:39 PM (y05cf)
...a reflexive fear of autonomy and adherence to authority...
hahaha, 2002 internet just called and said, "wake up, sheeple!"
Posted by: al Soothsayer at January 04, 2011 04:39 PM (/AACO)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at January 04, 2011 08:37 PM (+lsX1)
--Even though the 'Canes lost, when The Rock mentioned the Sweater Vest in his smack-talking against OSU earlier this year it was funny as hell.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 04:40 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:33 PM (vd872)
You. You and your fellow Assange-condoms are responsible for this man's murder when it comes.
You. Mugabe didn't have the pretext before. He does now. The man is as good as dead and it's your fault.
But everybody, including Kanye West, knows that Julian Assange doesn't care about black people.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 04:41 PM (BvBKY)
I hope you remember saying that every time you insist that you and the other statists are the "serious" ones in a political discussion.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:41 PM (vd872)
Good, but tell me when they run a Charlie Chan marathon and I'll get really excited.
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 04:41 PM (IDL9N)
Rothbardians are unsuccessful because they have no allies. No one is pure enough. And their program sucks. But mostly because they alienating assholes.
Posted by: the rest of mankind at January 04, 2011 04:44 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:44 PM (vd872)
Posted by: fluffy at January 04, 2011 04:44 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: cali grump at January 04, 2011 04:45 PM (hL0k8)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:45 PM (vd872)
DMXroid - let me clue your stupid ass in on something. In a society of total autonomy, the only rule is "who can, may.". And if you think your pallid, weak, fat ass would survive for a second in that world, you are out of your little mind.
Representative government was created to prevent people like you from ever having to worry about whether or not the guy next door was going to kill you and take your wife and children for himself.
But because you think hat you're smarter than the guys who set it up, you want to toss it all and take your chances.
In a survival situation, the Morons would beat you up and take your luinch at 8 am.
Posted by: brian at January 04, 2011 04:46 PM (y05cf)
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 08:19 PM (DLxD/)
--Shughart, from Mogadishu?
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 04:46 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 04:46 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:44 PM (vd872)
HemRoid, your concerns have been addressed about 100 times. You just don't like the answers.
I think it's time we started seeing other people HemRoid, really it's us not you.
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 04:47 PM (hVDig)
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fify
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 04:48 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at January 04, 2011 08:37 PM (+lsX1)
7-0, sucka!
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 04:48 PM (61iai)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:44 PM (vd872)
It was good times when you were tracked down online, your picture & profile posted from that personal/dating site & everyone laughed at your sorry ass. Then you ran away like the buttboy you are.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 04:48 PM (KqBTY)
It's not surprising that you'd miss my point. Which was that you lack sufficient common cause/values/humanity with anyone else in the discussion to understand why making a throwaway rape joke deligitimizes you and your point of view.
Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2011 04:48 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at January 04, 2011 04:49 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: U.S. Government at January 04, 2011 04:49 PM (Ez4Ql)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 04:50 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 04:51 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 04, 2011 04:52 PM (UOM48)
But, I too, am still furious over the sidebar POTUS fails to call family of fallen soldier story. What a tool.
I hope some blogs post a picture of him every time he is out having fun with the caption "Still too busy".
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 04, 2011 04:52 PM (XdlcF)
Yes, that does make me simple and childish, doesn't it? Much more so than an automatic trust in government and belief in the goodness of the state. I mean, a child is someone who's capable of taking care of themselves, and doesn't need a daddy making all their decisions for them, right?
And really, if you're incapable of making the distinction between "There is a very good, non-zero possibility that government is fucking us in ways that we don't even know about" and "TOWER SEVEN LOLZ", then you're no longer worth the effort.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:52 PM (vd872)
Sounds better than "I'm bigger than you so I'll eat you and take your stuff."
Posted by: sifty this shit delende est at January 04, 2011 04:52 PM (L6ppJ)
To be fair, we don't know that he meant rape-rape.
Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at January 04, 2011 04:52 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: archie bunker at January 04, 2011 04:52 PM (0YS61)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at January 04, 2011 08:49 PM (+lsX1)
Is he asking for post dated checks?
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 04:53 PM (61iai)
Oh sweet! Terrelle Pryor just put the Sugar Bowl trophy up on ebay!
Hahahahaha it's funny because it's true!
Wonder how good they'd look if the NCAA did the right thing and made those punk asses sit out this game.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 04:53 PM (diYKm)
Where is this valid, rational arguement of which you speak? I don't consider paraphrased Lone Gunman material a valid, rational argument (but it's probably me, not you dear).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 04:53 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 04:54 PM (S5YRY)
Plus, that's a good rule, define your freedoms as a human being by which group has the nicest people. That's smart.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:54 PM (vd872)
Posted by: fluffy at January 04, 2011 04:55 PM (SwkdU)
Wonder how good they'd look if the NCAA did the right thing and made those punk asses sit out this game.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 08:53 PM (diYKm)
True dat but you're asking the NCAA to do the right thing so the point is moot.
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 04:56 PM (61iai)
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Gladiator is on TNT.
Posted by: Retread at January 04, 2011 04:57 PM (hLY+X)
When you're an asshole, no one even hears your arguments. Rothbardians are assholes, one and all.
At least in my experience.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 04:57 PM (S5YRY)
OK then.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 04:58 PM (vd872)
But, I too, am still furious over the sidebar POTUS fails to call family of fallen soldier story. What a tool.
In his black heart, Obozo figures they're just chumps anyway. If they weren't they would have gotten into an Ivy League school instead of joining the military.
Posted by: Cicero at January 04, 2011 04:58 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:52 PM (vd872)
I know, I know, I said it was us not you. I hope you find someone soon and we will just muddle along.
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 04:58 PM (hVDig)
Anyone remember the OSU/FLA game a few years back?
Bucks scored on off the kick off. And then....
What was the final score of that game again...
....lemme look it up...
Right!
41 to 14 FLA
No, but they're not overrated. Not.At.All.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 04:58 PM (diYKm)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:54 PM (vd872)
Ho ho, hey hey, how many Africans have you killed today?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 04:59 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 04:59 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:01 PM (vd872)
Right!
41 to 14 FLA
No, but they're not overrated. Not.At.All.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 08:58 PM (diYKm)
And then for good measure Florida kicked their ass in the NCAA Basketball Championship the same year forever making OSU their bitch.
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 05:01 PM (hVDig)
This is real life. With real children that go hungry and real adults trying to make ends meet. If we do this wrong real people get hurt.
Lots of people need to be sure that your glorious freedom revolution won't cause the fucking insulin to stop being on the shelves.
This ain't Civilization V on your laptop at the coffee shop.
Posted by: sifty this shit delende est at January 04, 2011 05:02 PM (L6ppJ)
This latest crap from their players is just the cherry on the top of the steaming pile of manure that is The Ohio State University.
Posted by: Y-not prefers the Little Sisters of the Poor over the Buckeyes at January 04, 2011 05:02 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 08:52 PM (vd872)
you seem to have this delusion that you were worth any effort to begin with.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:02 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: fluffy at January 04, 2011 05:02 PM (SwkdU)
Res ipsa loquitur
I thought you were giving up on us benighted slaves.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:02 PM (S5YRY)
Can we get a topic post on Christie apparently supporting NJ seizing unused gift cards and travelers cheques?
And does anyone know where I can get a Duvetica jacket?
Posted by: The Hammer at January 04, 2011 05:04 PM (hjv1+)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:04 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:01 PM (vd872)
I don't think we need any logical connections here.
Rothbardians are assholes.
You are an asshole.
As to how the two relate, I'll let you figure it out.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 05:05 PM (BvBKY)
But Coach T let his seniors vote and they all voted to let the players play in the Sugar Bowl. Talk about abdicating leadership
You just described the "Mother" of "Princess Boy"
(if you're not in the mood to rage, don't even google that)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 05:05 PM (diYKm)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 05:06 PM (5/yRG)
As to how the two relate, I'll let you figure it out.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 09:05 PM (BvBKY)
he made the mistake in thinking we needed to associate him with another group of assholes, to call him an asshole. he'd be wrong.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:06 PM (eCAn3)
228 @183: I have my head up my ass? The history of government is a history of oppression and incompetence, wherever you want to put your finger on the timeline. The ONE constant with government is that it ALWAYS fucks up the job, and usually kicks you in the dick on its way out the door. After looking at thousands of years of government that failed to be even basically competent at much of anything other than killing their own citizens in one way or another, I decide that I don't trust government, and I have my head up my ass.
Posted by: HEMRoid at January 04, 2011 08:58 PM (vd872)
Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Why yes! Yes you do have your head up your ass. So glad we had this little talk.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 05:07 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: steevy at January 04, 2011 05:07 PM (dtXRz)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 05:07 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 05:07 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:07 PM (vd872)
Coach T--But they promised me they'd stay if I let them play.
Posted by: The Hammer at January 04, 2011 05:08 PM (hjv1+)
"People living in Zimbabwe don'y really know about Wikileaks or for that matter Wikipedoia"
Posted by: archie bunker at January 04, 2011 08:52 PM (0YS61)
So tell me archie, do you know a lot of people from Zimbabwe? Do you assume they all wear bones in their noses and dance around a big black kettle with a missionary in it? Racist much?
I've worked with several guys from Zimbabwe, and I can absolutely guarantee they were better educated, smarter, and more worldly than you will ever be.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at January 04, 2011 05:09 PM (iYwUw)
This guy's on a roll!
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 05:09 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: DARPANET at January 04, 2011 05:09 PM (SwkdU)
Lawmakers voted last year to allow the seizure of cards after two to three years as a way to raise about $80 million and help balance the state's budget.
But in November, a federal judge temporarily struck down the law.
The
Record of Bergen County reports the state isn't giving up though. State
treasurer Andrew Sidamon-Eristoff has told a judge that the state will
appeal the earlier ruling.
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I gather the treasurer is a Christie appointee and a Republican.
I guess I reserve judgment/outrage until I learn more about why the federal judge temporarily struck down the law. Was that a good/sound legal decision or not?
Posted by: Y-not prefers the Little Sisters of the Poor over the Buckeyes at January 04, 2011 05:09 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:09 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: sifty this shit delende est at January 04, 2011 05:10 PM (L6ppJ)
Ordered Anarchism? Seriously?
THAT'S STILL GOVERNMENT, ASSHOLE.
Life fail. Unplug your computer and return it to the store. You're too stupid to be on the internet.
Posted by: brian at January 04, 2011 05:11 PM (y05cf)
199 Heh.
Posted by: nickless at October 12, 2010 05:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 05:11 PM (MMC8r)
OK, that's the kind of evil thinking I can get behind.
So basically, this game is win-win if you hate OSU.
Newsletter please.
Posted by: Y-not prefers the Little Sisters of the Poor over the Buckeyes at January 04, 2011 05:11 PM (IDL9N)
Well waddya know...
Per Twitter Breaking News (no link yet)-
Venezuela dodges sales tax hike due to revenue from high global oil prices, says Pres. Hugo Chavez - ReutersPosted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 05:12 PM (diYKm)
Posted by: fluffy at January 04, 2011 05:12 PM (SwkdU)
Ohio State lost me (again) when their University President shot his mouth off about the non-BCS conference teams.
E. Gordon Gee, Douchebag Extroardinaire
This latest crap from their players is just the cherry on the top of the steaming pile of manure that is The Ohio State University.
Trust me, most Buckeyes don't like the situation one bit. Half want to see the suspensions made permanent, half think it's no big deal and half think Tressell should resign.
that's a joke!
Posted by: Y-not prefers the Little Sisters of the Poor over the Buckeyes at January 04, 2011 09:02 PM (IDL9N)
But whatever, haters gonna hate!
Go Bucks!
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 05:12 PM (61iai)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:13 PM (S5YRY)
Uncle facts- Sims i was waiting for someone to mention Israel.
I've noticed some otherwise good sites have bankers mentioned (which seems to mean Jews to these folks) Or Israel makes them slip off the mental edge. The thing they seem to have in common with the Left, makes ya wonder,
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:13 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 05:13 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: sifty this shit delende est at January 04, 2011 09:02 PM (L6ppJ)
--Civ V sucks. IV is much better.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 05:14 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 04, 2011 09:12 PM (diYKm)
Ya know, we should start drilling for that shit. I think there is money in it.
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 05:15 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: nickless at October 12, 2010 05:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 09:11 PM (MMC8r)
almost feel sorry for it.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:15 PM (eCAn3)
Look, it's pretty clear the guy is purple-ish / red...and I'm not willing to look past 2nd amendment, amnesty, and any other rino tendencies that haven't come out yet.
Posted by: The Hammer at January 04, 2011 05:16 PM (hjv1+)
Heh.
Posted by: nickless at October 12, 2010 05:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 09:11 PM (MMC8r)
You found it! BWHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 05:17 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: enlightened dumbasses everywhere at January 04, 2011 05:18 PM (L6ppJ)
SiM's a smart motherfucker, knows about the Metric system and everything. Libs and Paulistinians go all Pavlovian at the merest mention of Israel.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:18 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: fluffy at January 04, 2011 05:18 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:19 PM (h+qn8)
I feel so small.
Posted by: mpfs at January 04, 2011 05:19 PM (3TjSM)
Heh.
Posted by: nickless at October 12, 2010 05:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 09:11 PM (MMC8r)
You found it! BWHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 09:17 PM (KqBTY)
--Oh shit. Even when I quit wearing specs like that in '99, I was still a decade too late. Now I don;t feel so bad.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 05:19 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:20 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Bawny Fwank at January 04, 2011 05:21 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 09:20 PM (h+qn
Did you just call me fat? You did din't you.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:22 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 09:19 PM (h+qn
Funny, the media didn't mention anything about the first lady vacationing there.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:22 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: steevy at January 04, 2011 05:22 PM (dtXRz)
If you're going to get butthurt whenever someone questions your underlying assumptions, and then post a bunch of John Stewart-esque "Repeat what he said and make a funny face" comments, how the fuck do you ever grow your knowledge base? Are you really all so fucking knowledgeable and perfect that there's never any need to expose your belief set to the marketplace of ideas? So insular that you act like a pack of retarded hyenas when a contrary idea rears its ugly head?
Hey, guess what, I'm even FATTER now than I was in that picture! That was taken in the svelte days of my late teens/early 20's, I'm way fatter now. I'm sure you consider that a damning indictment of all libertarianism, since, generally, that tends to be the level of response you give to any that crop up. Now that I've told you that I'm even fatter, I hope you don't disappoint me by failing to post 20 or 30 comments with witty retorts like "ZOMFG HE R FAT N UGLY LOLZ".
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:22 PM (vd872)
Well, I guess I'd want to know more about the law the legislature passed and Christie's role in that. My recollection is he's dealing with a very blue state house. I think NJ was one of the few states where there was no net (or appreciable, anyway) gain of red seats in their state legislature.
So if the law is on the books - and if it's a good law (has sound legal standing) and the judge's ruling was a (legally) bad ruling - then I would not be surprised for a lawyer-turned-Governor who is trying to balance his budget to pursue an appeal.
He's a lawyer. Even when I read his statements on illegal immigration, they're very legalistic sounding. He mostly opined about the federal vs state roles in immigration in the statement that got him into trouble with some conservatives.
The latest anti-gun charge is 15 years old (that campaign commercial), so I'm not too worked up about it. And he did just commute the sentence of the guy with the gun conviction, as requested by the guy's lawyers. But obviously he's for gun control, which I realize is a big hurdle from some people.
Posted by: Y-not prefers the Little Sisters of the Poor over the Buckeyes at January 04, 2011 05:23 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:59 PM (vd872)
Would you? Please? Now?
Posted by: tcn at January 04, 2011 05:23 PM (+dwY/)
evaluating the various flavors of ordered anarchism that have been proposed.
Like this one? We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of Executive Officer for the week but, all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but, by a two-thirds majority in the case of external affairs.
Your mac-n-cheese is ready.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 05:23 PM (XBM1t)
To create the National Institute of Stuff and Things, where people with great ideas can come and get them funded and implemented.
Dude, how do you not have your own sitcom?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 05:25 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: steevy at January 04, 2011 05:25 PM (dtXRz)
Speaking only for myself, Yep.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:25 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:22 PM (vd872)
Oh you mean contrary like "ordered anarchy" right? I think I hear a stick of butter calling your name. If you hurry, you might be get there before Meggy McCain does.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:25 PM (eCAn3)
That Anna sure knows how to gull stupid Earthlings.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 05:26 PM (BP6Z1)
If we say yes, will you fuck off and build your anarchist commune already, you pantywaist keyboard revolutionary?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 05:26 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: steevy at January 04, 2011 05:26 PM (dtXRz)
Posted by: fluffy at January 04, 2011 05:27 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: dr kill at January 04, 2011 05:27 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 04, 2011 05:27 PM (3nsty)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:22 PM (vd872)
With all that acid & LSD you have an interest in, it's no wonder your brain has turned to jelly.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 05:27 PM (KqBTY)
Like this one? We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of Executive Officer for the week but, all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but, by a two-thirds majority in the case of external affairs.
Your mac-n-cheese is ready.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 09:23 PM (XBM1t)
Look, if I went around calling myself Emporer, just because some moistened Bint tossed a scimitar at me, they'd lock me in the loony bin!
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:27 PM (eCAn3)
Before the United States entered the Second World War, Churchill and Roosevelt had conversations about aid, refugees, what Hitler was planning, etc.
These were Top Secret conversations, because it was imperative for the safety of the UK that Hitler think that the British were isolated. Had Hitler found out about those conversations, he probably would have sent the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe to demolish Britain. Fortunately, he thought he was safe ignoring Britain for a while and went after Stalin instead.
Are you suggesting that this information should have been released?
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 04, 2011 05:27 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Druid at January 04, 2011 05:28 PM (RnujI)
Posted by: King Julian at January 04, 2011 05:28 PM (T2qLv)
Oh, except for like every private interaction ever. But fuck that, you need a GUMMINT, or else we'd all just go around shooting eachother!
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:28 PM (vd872)
Although in the gum's defense, it did serve an actual purpose at one time.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:30 PM (eCAn3)
And yes, my friends are also assholes, if you let them get going on politics. I stifle their babble holes with beer and we get along.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:30 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:31 PM (vd872)
Look, if I went around calling myself Emporer, just because some moistened Bint tossed a scimitar at me, they'd lock me in the loony bin!
Shut up! Will you shut up!
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 05:32 PM (DLxD/)
how the fuck do you ever grow your knowledge base?
By not engaging you seriously.
Are you really all so fucking knowledgeable and perfect that there's never any need to expose your belief set to the marketplace of ideas?
Yep. Marketplace. Nobody's buying your shit.
You are going to have to get it into your head: You. Are. Stu. Pid. Your ideas are dumb. We are all dumber for having to read what you've written.
So insular that you act like a pack of retarded hyenas when a contrary idea rears its ugly head?
We hear your stupid idea and we reject it. Because it's stupid.
Oh, and that's DOCTOR retarded hyena to you, buddy. (Or is that, Buddha?)
Hey, guess what, I'm even FATTER now than I was in that picture!
Be prepared for a visit from the First Lady. She'll have handcuffs and not for the kinky wookie stuff, either.
Posted by: Kanye West at January 04, 2011 05:32 PM (BvBKY)
DMXchewinggum, that stick of butter ain't gettin any bigger. Although I suspect you might be.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:32 PM (eCAn3)
He requested the commutation. The lawyer explained in an interview that was podcast on some NRA site (I can try to dig up the link if you haven't listened to it) that the pardon would take too long and they were completely confident in overturning the conviction. And one reason that they are confident is that Christie basically fired (did not re-appoint) the judge because the judge had a history of horrible rulings.
Honestly, I know Christie is not an ideal guy on gun rights because he is for gun control, but he did do the right thing in that case.
Posted by: DMX's microwave at January 04, 2011 05:32 PM (IDL9N)
Didn't this shitstain make a comment earlier about how he thinks most people are savages?
I think only black people.
Posted by: Kanye West at January 04, 2011 05:33 PM (BvBKY)
Changing the sky red will reverse global warming?
Posted by: Herr Hitler, tweeting from the Ninth Circle of Hell at January 04, 2011 09:25 PM (M+8TM)
--Remember, Anna is lying about the harmful purpose of the red rain to deceive the humans. That global warming shit was a great line since it fools a huge swath of credulous libtards on this planet.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 05:33 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: twiceblessedmom at January 04, 2011 05:34 PM (HjxoE)
Didn't this shitstain make a comment earlier about how he thinks most people are savages?
I think only black people.
Posted by: Kanye West at January 04, 2011 09:33 PM (BvBKY)
That's what I heard. Also, "boy."
Posted by: Maureen Dowd at January 04, 2011 05:34 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:31 PM (vd872)
The part where the Vietnamese bomb Peal Harbor again. Don't you know history?
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 05:34 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 05:34 PM (5/yRG)
You sure paid the living hell out of that second rate dating service didn't you?
WOO CAPITALISM!
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:34 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:34 PM (vd872)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:36 PM (vd872)
DMX, you really believe controlled anarchy would work? No one within that group would want to be the Power? that someone would destin themself to decide what Type of disorganized order would resume after chaos?what about the day after? who decides structure or would there be noone? just people being free to Taje and do as they will? the fittest survive?
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:37 PM (h+qn8)
I love watching him pwn union thugs, and there is certainly a place for him in the Palin administration (see what I did there), but not as the Big Guy (see what I did there).
Posted by: The Hammer at January 04, 2011 05:37 PM (hjv1+)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:37 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: steevy at January 04, 2011 05:37 PM (dtXRz)
A sexual fantasy about being in control of everything and everybody because he has all the brains and the plan.
Pretty sure he sees himself as the dude in the Frazetta painting with all the nekid chicks hanging around his knees, worshiping his plan.
In real life, he'd be on a spit. Because someone always goes on the spit when the anarchys breaks out.
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 05:38 PM (L6ppJ)
Clearly by using his power of persuasion.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:38 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:38 PM (h+qn8)
Say hello to my little friend.
Oh, wait, you'll only have good humans in your ordered anarchy. Forgot about that.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 05:39 PM (ly8QF)
Long pork, it's what's for dinner.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:40 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:40 PM (S5YRY)
Why do you read anything? Is it just for the Ewok jokes?
I like seeing what stupid people think.
And I also like seeing what happens when people violate the first rule of holes.
So you've been great.
Posted by: Julian Assange at January 04, 2011 05:41 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 05:42 PM (MMC8r)
Sims wow, teach a man to fish and?
really i wonder what verdict we will end up with.
now if manna starts falling i'm running for the hills.
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:42 PM (h+qn8)
sorry I'm late to the party - read some of the comments by DMXRoid. Is he still here? Wow he sounds almost exactly like me, about 15 years ago. But I thought a little deeper about my views, and now I'm a conservative.
DMXRoid, answer me this: why do drivers stop at stop signs, even when there is nobody around?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 05:42 PM (mmYn2)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:42 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 05:43 PM (ly8QF)
I do like him and want to see what he accomplishes. We're going to need someone really tough to right this fucked up ship of state after Obama gets done, so I am trying to look more at accomplishments than at ideological perfection at this early stage.
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 05:43 PM (IDL9N)
Yeah, it's basically for the Ewok jokes and the dirty talk, but mostly the Ewok jokes.
"Julie" and "Juliette" -- read them as counterpuntal literature; it'll give you something to think about, since you're all down with that cool kinda things and stuff...ideas you know old hat.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 05:43 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 09:43 PM (ly8QF)
damn, brb.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:43 PM (eCAn3)
Stop signs are statist, man!
Posted by: DMX's Roid at January 04, 2011 05:44 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: mpfs at January 04, 2011 09:43 PM (3TjSM)
paid or unpaid, because you know he's ALL ABOUT THE FUCKIN CAPITALISM
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:45 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:07 PM (vd872)
"Ordered anarchy" is an oxymoron. The terms are mutually exclusive.
If you're speaking of some kind of "capitalism without government", it won't work because there will still be bad people, and they will band together in gangs and rape you and take your stuff.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 04, 2011 05:46 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 05:46 PM (5/yRG)
Nah, there would just be an army of black clad douchenozzles trashing other people's peaceful interactions and property. I've been caught in a protests where ordered anarchists demonstrated their peaceful interaction. Trust me homeslice, the reason there aren't piles of dead anarchists is that the GUMMINT keeps you alive.
Posted by: Anka Machines at January 04, 2011 05:46 PM (s7I0E)
Posted by: NJ Mob at January 04, 2011 05:46 PM (S5YRY)
Surely it's the intrusive, oppressive, incompetent governmental authority that requires personal disputes to be settled in Judge Judy's court, The Peoples Court! Why, in an ordered anarchy system, people could just solve their differences on their own, without government interference.
Oh, wait....
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 05:46 PM (XBM1t)
Individual privacy is a fundamental freedom that is protects us from the state, and can only be taken away by the state. The government has no freedoms, and therefore has no expectation of privacy.
Well, isn't that conveeeeenient?
Posted by: Church Lady at January 04, 2011 05:47 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: mpfs at January 04, 2011 09:43 PM
And was the girl of legal age? Because we know how "Big L" libertarians are about age-of-consent rules and all that...
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 04, 2011 05:47 PM (3nsty)
Oh no no, don't let DMX off the hook. So, DMX, why should troop movements be secret? After all, it's a state secret!!!11!!!!!11!!eleventy!!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 05:48 PM (mmYn2)
Posted by: DMX's younger cousin, now a track star at January 04, 2011 05:48 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 05:49 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 09:48 PM (mmYn2)
we already have CNN taking care of that.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:50 PM (eCAn3)
I think he's older than that. He has pubes and everything. At least, I think that's what's on his face.
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 05:50 PM (IDL9N)
If you're going to use the Constitution as your bright line between legit and illigit government power, that doesn't make you not-statist, it just means that your preferred version of the state is less sucky than most. That doesn't make it GOOD. There's plenty of things in Article 1, Section 8 that could come right out without doing any damage to humanity.
The argument that governance on the State level is superior to governance at the Federal level is only true at a pragmatic level, and only sometimes at that. Resolving the question of the division of authority on the basis of pragmatism leaves too much leeway on the part of government to make the kind of subjective evaluations that result in the growth of the state and the destruction of individual freedom.
Furthermore, why should my freedoms depend on my persuasiveness? Obviously I understand that in a statist reality, they DO, but why should they? Why should I need 50% of the populace to agree with me in order to exercise my autonomy if my behavior doesn't hurt them directly? That methodology didn't work out particularly well for huge chunks of the population in the US in the past, I don't see why it would going forward.
### I must admit that I don't read much about anarchy, but the idea of ordered anarchy/anarchism seems quite odd and a misnomer, at best. In any event, I'm pretty sure that my concept of decent governmental organization requires more structure than you would allow for. ###
I think it seems odd because you're unfamiliar with it. The 2009 Economics Nobel went to a couple of people who've been studying the very question of spontaneous order in the absence of state intervention for decades, for example. There's tons of literature out there about it, and really, we see examples of spontaneous order in pretty much every human interaction. Any time you have more than two people interacting without a cop, that's a little microcosm of the bigger concept.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 05:51 PM (vd872)
Try Renaissance faires. I don't mean this to be mean this time, but a pudgy virgin guy like you can usually get at least a hand job out by the privvies for the cost of putting three or four cups of Guinness in some pudgy girl's tankard. And if you got a dime bag of weed and buy dinner at Chili's you can probably get to home plate and seconds in the morning.
They are usually smart, read a lot of Dragonlance books, and drive a purple Saturn sedan, but they party.
Word to the wise from someone who has been there.
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 05:51 PM (L6ppJ)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 05:51 PM (ly8QF)
in your ideal anarchist state, what do YOU think your freedoms will depend on? your good looks?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 05:52 PM (mmYn2)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:52 PM (h+qn8)
396 Well, see, it's like this CDR dude: when all the secrets were out, then the people would all realize that there wasn't any need for these corrupt, like, governments things, man. And then, like, the people would realize that they could, like, get along better without them and their corrupt old rules. 'Cause, like, the people would be happy, and happy people get along just great and peaceful. And then everything would be peaceful and you know what that means dude? Like no more military because there'd be no more wars! 'Cause wars are caused by corrupt government lizard people and shit, not happy, peaceful people who finally are happy and peaceful because they are, like free from corrupt government with its lies and secrets and rules and corruption and shit.
Plus the toking...and the free love.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 05:53 PM (5/yRG)
Some altruistic Utopia of Love and Brotherhood without some form of force to make humans respect other humans is as much sappy bullshit as Marx and his worker's paradise.
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 05:54 PM (MMC8r)
In an anarchic world, it really depends more on your utility and likability.
You're going into the smokehouse.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:54 PM (S5YRY)
By the time he gets done with the small talk she has doused herself with gasoline and set herself on fire.
Posted by: mpfs at January 04, 2011 05:54 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Mr Kurtz at January 04, 2011 05:56 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 05:57 PM (L6ppJ)
You've encountered a much nicer class of Libertarian than I have. Most of the ones I've dealt with can be summed up as follow: "Fuck the rest of you - I've got mine!"
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 05:57 PM (IDL9N)
But I'm not gonna.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 05:57 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 05:57 PM (L6ppJ)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:51 PM (vd872)
No wonder I abandoned a career in science. It's assholes like you who take the humanity out of it.
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 05:57 PM (61iai)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 05:58 PM (eCAn3)
If we'd all just mellow out, stay in our own space not bugging anyone, countries would not have any reason to fight us.
we better not have anything they want. so we better stay kinda poor and not make waves to stand out.
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 05:58 PM (h+qn8)
hats off Julienne Assnage you keep it up you'll have as much blood on your hands as Al-NYT and their Pulitzer winning apologist Duranty....
if our nation were half as ruthless as he pretends we'd have lobotomized him by now.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 04, 2011 05:58 PM (kq1lG)
and really, your #39 response was cute.....so come on, on with it....
....or STFU and sit down already.
kids....what can ya do with em?
Posted by: str8 outta at January 04, 2011 05:59 PM (dwOwg)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 05:59 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 06:00 PM (mmYn2)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 09:51 PM (vd872)
Weren't you the one that was just telling everyone that we're all savages? In your little anarcho-wet dream, it's fat fucks like you that get their shit taken away by guys like me, so my people survive. See how that works?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 06:00 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: torabora at January 04, 2011 06:00 PM (9e2Sv)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 06:00 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:01 PM (vd872)
Lighten up Francis.
Posted by: mpfs at January 04, 2011 06:02 PM (3TjSM)
As for ordered anarchy (hahahaha) and "spontaneous order" in response to a lack of order:
Do you know anything of the Taliban's rise to power in Afghanistan?
Hell, have you even read up on the Donner party and accounts of shipwreck survivors? (but I repeat my Lord of the Flies remark).
History has shown that people do attempt to generate some sort of spontaneous order in cases of dire lack of the same -- it usually isn't at all pretty. Definitely not a more attractive alternative to a stable government, warts and all.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:02 PM (5/yRG)
But the James Bond character Assange looks like is bad guy Maximillian Largo, played by Klaus Maria Brandauer, in Never Say Never Again.
(Pfc. Manning is, of course, Alfred E. Neumann.)
Posted by: Alana at January 04, 2011 06:03 PM (/N/wg)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 06:03 PM (S5YRY)
In your world, who makes sure the weak aren't abused?
What keeps the scrawny babies out of the Spartan pits?
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 06:03 PM (L6ppJ)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 06:04 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Tony Soprano at January 04, 2011 06:04 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 06:04 PM (S5YRY)
Why am I reminded of personal hygiene products at this point in the game?
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 06:04 PM (IDL9N)
Private protective agencies are just one example.
God, you are so stupid.
First, how are we all going to afford our own private protective agencies?
Second, what keeps them from taking their guns, turning them on you and taking your stuff and killing you?
Posted by: AmishDude, mathematical snob at January 04, 2011 06:04 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: eman at January 04, 2011 06:05 PM (+iY8m)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 10:00 PM (SJ6/3)
--I saw a recent photo of her on the V Facebook page. It was a photo with a cute reference to spending Christmas with "family," and had Morena Baccarin/Anna with her.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 06:05 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 06:05 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: nickless© at January 04, 2011 09:59 PM (MMC8r)
So what do bean bags chairs and hand carved incense holders go for nowadays?
Posted by: ErikW at January 04, 2011 06:06 PM (61iai)
Posted by: Grand Moff Tarkin at January 04, 2011 06:06 PM (S5YRY)
The 2008 Economics Nobel went to Paul Krugman.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 06:06 PM (ly8QF)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 06:06 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 04, 2011 06:06 PM (M+8TM)
Oregon, this is your call to cowboy up next week.
Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 06:06 PM (BP6Z1)
In my experience, Libertarians don't give a rat's ass about the weak.
I can't remember: was L. Ron Hubbard a libertarian?
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 06:07 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 06:07 PM (S5YRY)
man we could REALLY play dawn-of-the-dead biker gang on DMX's commune couldnt we?
There's uh, three of us!
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 04, 2011 06:08 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 06:08 PM (SJ6/3)
Oh, and if you're still lurking, chemjeff, I love that you stop at stop signs when no one is around. I do too.
You mean there are two other people who stop too?
Ohh, that'll piss off the troll that we have respect for the law. And that we recognize the wisdom of a certain amount of the right kind of law and order.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 04, 2011 06:09 PM (b6qrg)
Posted by: Farmer Brown at January 04, 2011 06:09 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 04, 2011 06:10 PM (SJ6/3)
reality is, when it's come down to the survival of my band vs your band, you lose.
the only reason I don't do that now, is we have a government and a system of laws that makes society work. I don't need to go raze your little commune, take your shit, throw your fat ass in the smokehouse with a little lemon honey glaze, and imprison your women so I can increase the size of my band later. That government that I, and a few millions like me elected, keep losers like you from becoming long pork on a massive scale. I want that government in place keeping the peace, and occasionally blowing some third world saber rattling country back into the stone age, because the alternative you think you want is fucking abhorrent.
But if you feel you want to try living in that other world, you might want to take a hard look around your room right now. You have print outs off your second rate date site, I have a couple dozen large caliber weapons. You're what's called easy meat. You might want to think about that.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 06:10 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:10 PM (5/yRG)
Oh, and if you're still lurking, chemjeff, I love that you stop at stop signs when no one is around. I do too.
You mean there are two other people who stop too?
Ohh, that'll piss off the troll that we have respect for the law. And that we recognize the wisdom of a certain amount of the right kind of law and order.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 04, 2011 10:09 PM (b6qrg
count me in.
as i just know my mother had eyes in the back of her head, and know there is a consequence!
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 06:11 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 06:11 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: Alana at January 04, 2011 06:12 PM (/N/wg)
Posted by: eman at January 04, 2011 06:13 PM (+iY8m)
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 06:13 PM (L6ppJ)
469 And this is the face that libertarians try to hide
Scares off the hippies who do the free love and pot.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:14 PM (5/yRG)
Heh. I do it in empty parking lots. But, I confess, it's more of a reflex thing than a lawful thing. I also fasten my seat belt to move the car 2 feet in the driveway.
Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 06:14 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 06:15 PM (KqBTY)
Alana, we're screwed! we cannot think for ourselves, we've become a member of a borg?
is that the right expression? i don't watch sci fi or zombie movies
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 06:15 PM (h+qn8)
I stop at red stoplights in a one stoplight town at 3:30 am. That's the way i roll.
I've never had a wreck or a ticket, knock on wood. Geico loves me. I send them money and they send me, um, bills.
I wonder if learning how to drive on a military installation had anything to do with that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 04, 2011 06:15 PM (b6qrg)
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 06:16 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 10:13 PM (L6ppJ)
Not really, we're just trying to spread the wealth.
Posted by: Janet Napolitano at January 04, 2011 06:16 PM (61iai)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 06:17 PM (S5YRY)
Making him a cop. Like a gummint employee.
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 06:17 PM (L6ppJ)
446 No...in absence of a lack of government, strongmen step up and reenact the finer moments of the Golden Horde on everybody not in the Horde.
I personally would not eat you though (pretty sure I can get better food for my family)...you would be my personal slave in charge of cleaning up after my horses, unless you became unfit for such work or did a poor job of it. Then I would feed you to my dogs...publicly...as an example to for the rest.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:18 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Alana at January 04, 2011 10:12 PM (/N/wg)
uhm no
Posted by: robtr at January 04, 2011 06:19 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 04, 2011 06:20 PM (b6qrg)
O/T: just sent to me via email, thought you all would enjoy it
The year is 1947
>
> Some of you will recall that on July 8, 1947, a little over 60 years ago, witnesses claim that an unidentified flying object (UFO) with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and mule ranch just outside Roswell , New Mexico . This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air mForce and other federal agencies and organizations.
>
> However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of April 1948, nine months after that historic day, the following people were born:
>
> Albert A. Gore, Jr..
> Hillary Rodham
> John F. Kerry
> William J. Clinton
> Howard Dean
> Nancy Pelosi
> Dianne Feinstein
> Charles E. Schumer
> Barbara Boxer
>
> See what happens when aliens breed with sheep and jackasses?
> I certainly hope this bit of information clears up a lot of things for you. It did for me.
>
> No wonder they support the bill to help ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 06:21 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 06:22 PM (XBM1t)
I personally would not eat you though (pretty sure I can get better food for my family)...you would be my personal slave in charge of cleaning up after my horses, unless you became unfit for such work or did a poor job of it. Then I would feed you to my dogs...publicly...as an example to for the rest.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 10:18 PM (5/yRG)
pigs, feed him to the pigs. I wouldn't do that to my dogs.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 06:22 PM (eCAn3)
### Actually, no. Individual privacy isn't about protecting us from the state, it's a matter of culture that we value it. Other cultures don't value privacy. But my privacy isn't for "protection from the government" purposes. It's about my personal freedom. ### You think there's no correlation between privacy and freedom from the government? Look at any tyranny, and you'll find no privacy. It's got nothing to do with culture, the fact is that a government who can pry into all of your business has severely curtailed your freedom. If you don't believe that's the case, then I assume you support the kind of mass camera deployment that the British have engaged in?
### Actually, my privacy is threatened more from busybodies down the street than the government. ### Not really. The busybodies down your street can't access your bank accounts to see what you've been buying, or your video rental or library book history, or your tax records, or put cameras on your property, or go through your house and then turn you in for the gram of weed on your table, or search you and confiscate your cash. They're just annoying.
### Government secrecy has nothing to do with any notion that it has a "right to privacy". Government secrecy is part of the necessary defense of the nation and operations that any other entity engages in. ###
First off, let's not pretend that government secrecy is merely limited to matters that would negatively impact national security. If anything, the Wikileaks dumps proved that. The cables released to date have been, for the most part, fucking harmless other than causing some embarrassment, and yet they were all classified in one way or another.
Second, I was using the comparison to explain why my requirement that the government be transparent does not translate into a requirement that I personally open up every aspect of my life to whomever asks. I can't tax people, I'm not the agency with a monopoly on the legitimate use of force, I have no obligation to disclose anything about myself to another private citizen. The government asserts its monopoly on force, so it has to behave more openly than the rest of us.
### The State doesn't have any "freedom". ### That's true. I should have said "power", my bad.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:23 PM (vd872)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:25 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 06:25 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 04, 2011 06:26 PM (3nsty)
I was using the comparison to explain why my requirement that the government be transparent does not translate into a requirement that I personally open up every aspect of my life to whomever asks.
Conveeeeeeeenient...
Posted by: Church Lady at January 04, 2011 06:26 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:27 PM (5/yRG)
DMX.
would you really want these morons in the next county with no protections of your person and stuff? sure you have enough people that share your spirit and will protect your ass etts?
see ours is a great system , askew right now, and lots of issues for all of us, but help us legally get our gvt on the track it was meant to be on. get active, and help that's how we affect change and hope (heh)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 06:27 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:28 PM (vd872)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 10:27 PM (5/yRG)
when you're hungry, and your pigs is hungry, you'd feed em fatboy here and smile. I know I would. and when I'm enjoying my anarchy brand bacons, I'd smile even wider.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 06:31 PM (eCAn3)
I am willing to admit that I'm fallible enough to not be 100% accurate. Better safe than sorry.
Posted by: sifty at January 04, 2011 06:31 PM (L6ppJ)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:32 PM (vd872)
Money? You mean that stuff the gummint issues?
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 06:34 PM (MMC8r)
People don't have to love me to protect me, they just have to accept my money in a business transaction.
And how do you guarantee that that transaction is honored?
What keeps the AmishDude Security Agency from taking your payment, then killing you and taking your stuff?
God you are stupid.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 06:35 PM (BvBKY)
DMXRoid,
What is to keep the people you hire from simply taking your money and leaving you to your own devices?
Posted by: Odin All-father at January 04, 2011 06:36 PM (0aNP9)
DMX, it's laudable that you believe you could defend yourself from fiks on the hunt. but what about those that could not? who will defend their existance and stuff?
and Miss Marple's had an excellant question, i would love a response if you're willing?
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 06:37 PM (h+qn8)
Re: Churchill & wartime secrecy, I'd again make the argument that it's silly for you to ask me to fix the problems that the statists invented. In the context where I have to accept the fact that there's already statism and that there's nothing I can do about it, sure, keep wartime shit secret. Keep it all secret. You fucking made the statist bed, you sleep in it, not my fault. Come talk to me when you want to deal with the fundamental issues that got you into the shithole you're in, but it's not my job to fix the problems that statism creates within the context of statism.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:37 PM (vd872)
True, but I think we're all convinced you'd make about a year's worth of kibble for a hound pack.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 06:38 PM (ly8QF)
...hire a private agency to defend me (probably the latter, I'm not really that great of a shot).
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 10:32 PM (vd872)
Who's going to keep that private agency from taking your stuff after shooting you in the head?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 06:38 PM (KqBTY)
526 Why should they take your money protecting you (and thus risking themselves), then they can join me and get your money anyway (with little risk, as you are a poor shot...everyone in my family isn't...and have knowledge of more than just guns)? With the promise of more money too?
Since you're wanting to play this game.
(Uncle, if my pigs were starving -- ok; still do it publicly as an example -- one must have order in chaos and anarchy after all)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:38 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:38 PM (vd872)
Unless it's some asshole who has leaked 'secret' information about you that leads to your murder then you're okay with that.
Dick.
Posted by: andycanuck at January 04, 2011 06:38 PM (2rOwc)
So what will you do when your private protection agency takes your money then fucks you over and leaves you to the mercy of the masses anyway?
Posted by: BMXnoid at January 04, 2011 06:39 PM (PaSAU)
What keeps the AmishDude Security Agency from taking your payment, then killing you and taking your stuff?
God you are stupid.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 10:35 PM (BvBKY)
hey somewhere in that equation we'll be needing an attorney!
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 06:39 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 06:40 PM (5/yRG)
Then why are you cheering for Assange, you fucking retard?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 06:41 PM (ly8QF)
Part (b) is false in the scenario I hypothesized - there's nobody else around. Part (a) is awfully passive - who trained you?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 06:41 PM (PaSAU)
Competition ensures that there would be other private protective agencies. It's only when you only have one group with a monopoly on the use of force that you run into problems with getting fucked.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:42 PM (vd872)
hey somewhere in that equation we'll be needing an attorney!
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 10:39 PM (h+qn
Attorneys are OK as long as they're attorneys and aren't running things.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 06:42 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 10:38 PM (vd872)
Privately issued money? And exactly who will be issuing that money?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 06:42 PM (KqBTY)
A private protection agency that fucked its customers over wouldn't be able to get any more
What the hell do I care? I have all your stuff.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 06:43 PM (BvBKY)
Privately issued money? And exactly who will be issuing that money?
The AmishDude note. I'm very photogenic.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 06:43 PM (BvBKY)
So why would any private protection agency even bother protecting your ass? It's not like you're a big score for them.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 06:44 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 10:42 PM (vd872)
Ever heard of gangs? Because that's all your protective agencies would be. Gangs with their own territories. Who will take your shit, and make you work for them.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 06:44 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 06:45 PM (MMC8r)
A private protection agency that fucked its customers over wouldn't be able to get any more
What the hell do I care? I have all your stuff.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 10:43 PM (BvBKY)
But it's dirty filthy STATIST MONEY!!!
Posted by: BMXnoid at January 04, 2011 06:45 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:45 PM (vd872)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 06:45 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:46 PM (vd872)
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 10:45 PM (MMC8r)
But in Anarchotopia, the new currency IS ho-hos! So I'm a fucking MILLIONAIRE!
Posted by: BMXnoid at January 04, 2011 06:47 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:47 PM (vd872)
The whole concept of 'personal currency' is just extending this laughable governmental theory to the world of economics.
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 06:49 PM (MMC8r)
But in Anarchotopia, the new currency IS ho-hos! So I'm a fucking MILLIONAIRE!
Posted by: BMXnoid at January 04, 2011 10:47 PM (PaSAU)
Until the munchies strike. Then you're Zimbabwe.
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 06:50 PM (MMC8r)
My point is that they'd only be able to do it to one person one time before the word got out and people stopped hiring them. Presumably, when purchasing protection services, you'd do your due diligence and get a well referred company in order to avoid that scenario in the first place, but even in the WORST possible outcome, one person gets fucked, whereas with statist "law" enforcement, lots more people get fucked, and you can't stop paying for it.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:50 PM (vd872)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:52 PM (vd872)
I'm not cheering for Assange, I'm cheering for Wikileaks.
What a moral coward you are. If you're going to be an asshole than stand up and be a proud asshole. Assange is Wikileaks.
Probably private banks at first
Probably? PROBABLY? You advocate the wholesale undermining of the national security apparatus of every nation on earth in favor of some bizarre anarchist fantasy and you don't know how it will work?
God, you are stupid.
Time trained us
Time? Who the hell is Time and what is the name of his driving school?
I don't really have to have a principled response
How con-fucking-venient.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 06:53 PM (BvBKY)
And who says your private protection agency even gives a damn about their reputation? After all, they've got the guns.
Posted by: BMXnoid at January 04, 2011 06:54 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:54 PM (vd872)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 04, 2011 06:54 PM (3nsty)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 10:50 PM (vd872)
In your utopia, nobody is going to hire anyone, because there will be chaos. The only people that are going to be working are those that can't protect themselves from the assholes that are going to take whatever they want when they want. They will be slaves to those that have. Get it?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 06:55 PM (KqBTY)
My point is that they'd only be able to do it to one person one time before the word got out and people stopped hiring them.
People die, you retard. Moreover, they know they're going to die. So if I have enough stuff to keep me happy until that day comes, what the hell do I care?
Maybe I couldn't buy the best protection coverage, but there's a pretty good chance that, at almost any income level where you're able to survive anyway, you'd be able to get it.
I can say, with metaphysical certainty, that even if you studied very hard, you would still be unable to achieve the rank of imbecile.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 06:56 PM (BvBKY)
See I knew you would go there. The government didn't train us. "Time" didn't train us. I'm willing to bet that the person who trained you to stop at stop signs is the person from whom you learned to drive, like, maybe, your parents? your older sibling? They aren't agents of "the man" you know
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 06:56 PM (PaSAU)
The only person to be dumb enough to believe this shit would be college professors.
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 06:56 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 06:56 PM (vd872)
DMXroid,
Have you ever studied a pre-state society in any depth, so that you have an idea of how they actually function? I think doing so might be a real eye-opener. Can I suggest Medieval Iceland, an almost perfect libertarian society (law, private property, silver used as currency by weight, no executives, no military, no police force), as a beginning point? There are a large number of Icelandic family sagas available in translation, enjoyable reading, and Jesse Byock has a really nice book called Viking Age Iceland that explains how the society functioned. Go on to study other early medieval societies form there.
Hint: It was pretty violent, and there wasn't much individual autonomy. Being "kinless" is a pretty unpleasant fate when your safety depends on having a family to support you in a blood-feud, but families also control their members to avoid being dragged into trouble uncessarily.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 04, 2011 06:57 PM (0aNP9)
First off, I'm not cheering for Assange, I'm cheering for Wikileaks.
Oh. Why didn't you state that 500 posts ago? This changes everything. I am in awe of your reasoning and now see that your ideas are far superior to mine. I bow my head to you in tribute. Will you mentor me?
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 06:57 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:00 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 07:01 PM (S5YRY)
Roid isn't even smart enough to be a college prof. Modern-day Afghanistan would be the closest thing on Earth to the society he desires; a real paradise for dickless wastes of oxygen like him.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 04, 2011 07:02 PM (3nsty)
Re: not having an exact proscription for the perfect anarchist community, why do I have to? The whole benefit of putting the government out of business is that people with an incentive to find a solution will do so. Yes, private banks will probably be where it starts, but who am I to say that someone else won't come up with a better idea and sell people on it? Why would I want to constrain myself like some sort of bullshit legislator and make rules for how people can conduct private business? Not my motherfucking job man. I mean, there's plenty of literature out there about private money, but you're not going to read it, and I'm not going to explain it all to you because that'd take to long, so "the market will work it out" is a convenient shorthand for "Go bone up on the underlying ideas before you come play in the big kids sandbox."
Re: time training us, I meant repetition, asshat. And driving schools teach you how to drive according to the law, not according to rational rules for driving. Absent the law, you don't think that driving schools would teach people to caution when coming to an intersection? It's not like if you don't have the government making rules, people just go retarded.
I don't have to have a principled response to the Churchill scenario because the scenario is constructed in such a way that the principles I espouse have already been ignored well past the point of being relevant, so why would I try to constrain myself to a framework of thought that has no function in the cherry picked example?
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:03 PM (vd872)
What the fuck does that have to do with anything, you dissembling shithead? Your previous stated position is that there should be no state secrets, which is why you're creaming your pants over your hero Assange. Now you say you're fine with the Churchill-Roosevelt meetings. Which is it?
If I'm playing in a statist world where "pragmatic" subjective considerations trump rule based decision making, I can just argue that the damage done by a leak of diplomatic cables is less than the damage done by keeping them secret.
What a bunch of bullshit. You've given two completely contradictory answers, which is admittedly what I might expect from a fucking retard who can't think through the consequences of his naive drivel.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 07:05 PM (ly8QF)
Hint: It was pretty violent, and there wasn't much individual autonomy. Being "kinless" is a pretty unpleasant fate when your safety depends on having a family to support you in a blood-feud, but families also control their members to avoid being dragged into trouble uncessarily.
This is why slavery persisted in the ancient world. Which would you rather be, a slave or a free man (or woman) without property or protection? If someone did you an injustice, you might -- might -- get an audience with the local governor. More than likely, if somebody, say, kills your child and you aren't important you have the option of taking retribution or moving on with your life.
Most Libertarians at least go back to the founding and recognize the need for limited government to perform certain key functions. But this asshat thinks he knows better than civilization.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:05 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:06 PM (vd872)
Absent the law, you don't think that driving schools would teach people to caution when coming to an intersection?
What intersections? Who's going to build them? Look, when the East-West road company comes to the North-South highway consortium, they will have their own private armies launch nukes at each other so that we can all live in an anarchist paradise.
With twinkies and ho-hos.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:08 PM (BvBKY)
whats the point of trying to argue my position?
And now the ass-growth comes to the real point of things.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:09 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:10 PM (vd872)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:11 PM (vd872)
You're a nobody who wouldn't even be considered a potential client for any hypothetical security agency. You'll be left to die.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:11 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 11:06 PM (vd872)
So in your little dreamworld, if the government ceased to exist tomorrow, what the hell do you think would happen? That there would be no chaos? That people would just willingly hold hands and sing kumbaya?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 07:12 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:12 PM (vd872)
If I have enough shit to where it'd even make sense for someone to do that,
Fine, then you're poor and you'll just be killed because it's fun.
Don't think that being fat, drunk and stupid will save you. You're the one who thinks you can afford a damned security firm.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:12 PM (BvBKY)
Good luck. In the Ultimate Individualist Society, there isn't enough infrastructure to support major industries like auto manufacture, much less minor ones.
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 07:12 PM (MMC8r)
the point is, people follow the law even when there is no fear of punishment because of a culture of respect for the rule of law. Culture precedes government. Your problem with the supposed tyranny of the state is not with the state, it's with your neighbor.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:13 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: nickless at January 04, 2011 11:12 PM (MMC8r)
But that's not what Her Holiness Ayn Rand said!!!!11!!!!!!
Posted by: BMXnoid at January 04, 2011 07:14 PM (PaSAU)
on the head of my cock when I pull out
Pull out of what? I strongly suspect you haven't seen that button mushroom in a decade.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:14 PM (BvBKY)
Therefore, even if you abolish the state, your neighbors will still be your neighbors, demanding that there be some entity out there who will write and enforce the law, you know, maybe something like a state...
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:15 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: SparcVark at January 04, 2011 07:15 PM (xwRxk)
But that's not what Her Holiness Ayn Rand said!!!!11!!!!!!
Seriously, you don't have to like Ayn Rand to know this is a low blow. Even she doesn't deserve to be compared to the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:16 PM (BvBKY)
Damn the honey! Vinegar, full steam ahead!
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 07:17 PM (BvBKY)
I may not have been clear about this, but I'm not supporting anarchism as a model for the United States to switch to. I don't think it would work at all, people here are too dependent upon the state, and have been trained by 235 years of statism to behave that way. However, that 300 million people, or even 6 billion people, could not function without a government doesn't mean that nobody can, or that there's no hope for the descendants of those who are currently incapable of functioning without the long arm of Daddy behind them at all times.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:18 PM (vd872)
Seriously, you don't have to like Ayn Rand to know this is a low blow. Even she doesn't deserve to be compared to the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 04, 2011 11:16 PM (BvBKY)
I actually like Ayn Rand's humanist views, on the respect for the individual and the individual's dignity - we should not feel ashamed for working hard and seeking a profit, I like that part of it - but I stop short of cultlike devotion
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:19 PM (PaSAU)
31-19 OSU. 2pt try pending.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 07:20 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:20 PM (vd872)
DMXRoid, then this is for you:
http://tinyurl.com/pfrax2
I suggest you build the first one off the coast of Somalia
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:21 PM (PaSAU)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:23 PM (vd872)
So what you're really saying, Roid, is that you know the shit could never happen, and it's just some BS fantasy you like to dream about. You start a debate, which you say you love to do, but don't have any actual debating points you can back up with a semblance of reality.
Debate....that word doesn't mean what you think it does.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 07:23 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 10:56 PM (vd872)
You had to pay? Your mother paid me. See how this works? Now go get your fuckin shinebox.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 04, 2011 07:25 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 07:26 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:26 PM (vd872)
625 Unclefacts,
dude you're hardcore...have you seen his mom?
I paid her so I wouldn't have to fuck her.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 04, 2011 07:27 PM (kq1lG)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:28 PM (vd872)
You fucking mushead, that's exactly what you're doing by jacking off at your Assange shrine. State secrets or not, fuckhole? That's the question I asked, not your unworkable fantasyland vs functioning states. You've said "yes, give it to me hard, Julian", and you've said "no, those secrets are for fighting Nazis!". You've given two totally different answers because you're a pea-brained sack of shit who doesn't think through what he's saying.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 07:30 PM (ly8QF)
Trying to prevent more WikiLeaks embarrassments, the Obama administration is telling federal agencies to take aggressive new steps to prevent leaks of classified documents, including instituting “insider threat” programs to ferret out disgruntled employees who might be inclined to leak classified documents, NBC News has learned.
As part of these programs, agency officials are being asked to figure out ways to “detect behavioral changes” among employees who might have access to classified documents.
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Racist teabaggers, we're comin' for ya!
Posted by: Da One Administrat'n at January 04, 2011 07:31 PM (kb0wl)
Also, if you'll read through, I've only directed vulgar insults toward buzzion because that's what he deserves, and I only did that when the posts were in the 500's. Up until then, I was perfectly civil, it was the rest of you enlightened thinkers that were acting the fool and jerking off over your own hilarity when you said things like "LOLZ U R FAT N UGLEEE" like that isn't something I've known since I was six years old.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:32 PM (vd872)
“detect behavioral changes” among employees who might have access to classified documents.
If they couldn't figure out the changes in Manning, this shit sure won't work.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 07:33 PM (KqBTY)
Word to the wise, check for disgruntled homos, and Rothbarians, BIRM.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 07:33 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:36 PM (vd872)
So it won't work for current Americans (how convenient for you, lets you sit on your fat ass and do fuck-all) because they've been conditioned by 235 years of "statism", but an indeterminate number of more years of "statism" will do the trick?
Clear thinking really isn't your strong suit, is it, fuckwad?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 07:36 PM (ly8QF)
THEN DO IT. Build your own fucking floating island. See how long it takes until we get Lord Of The Flies 2: We Run Out Of Ho-Hos.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:37 PM (PaSAU)
Nobody's interested in your thought experiment, keyboard revolutionary. Go out and do it, you fucking coward.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 04, 2011 07:38 PM (ly8QF)
IF we get to start at 0
THEN I will defend anarchist principles
ELSE IF I have to accept statism
THEN I will argue in favor of the most limited state possible, but I feel free to make pragmatic exceptions to rules, because the principle I'm fundamentally defending has already been violated to the point where I'd only ever be able to defend half of it.
So, with that laid out, YES, in the scenario where I am ONLY able to act in the limited circumstance you present me, and can do nothing to affect the preceding events, I think it was the right thing to do for Churchill to not go "Hey Nazis, guess what" because the consequences of that would have been severe. I also think it was OK for Wikileaks to leak the cables, because the damage is not severe.
That is not difficult to understand. Please try.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 07:41 PM (vd872)
THEN I will defend anarchist principles
If?
Safety! 31-23 and Arkansas gets the ball.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 04, 2011 07:42 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: alatefy at January 04, 2011 07:43 PM (j2kuL)
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 11:36 PM (vd872)
No. Have you read about the Oneida Community in New York? Hippie communes in the '60s and '70s? Seems these utopias failed rather quickly vs the 235+ years our imperfect "statist" country has managed to thrive.
Please, just go away. I am stupider for reading your posts.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2011 07:43 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 04, 2011 07:45 PM (PaSAU)
I wonder if he realizes that some concept of "the state" has been in existence since the first civilized societies (you know 'roid, the things that made us into something other than little, piddling groups of hunter gatherer nomads and cavemen who lived truly short, brutish, and hard existences)?
Hell, even the cavemen had a bit of the concept of "the state"...even some of the lower animals have a concept of social hierarchy and power structure.
I wonder if he realizes that "keeping secrets" has been part and parcel of that? (yes, even lower animals keep secrets of a sort, if we really wanted to stretch the concept, and why not given the stretches in thinking already supplied by Mr. Roid -- usually they involvie bluffing to avoid confrontations, as those can be risky).
No...this is all about "stickin' it to da Man" (which is like so cool and rebellious and free and shit). Newsflash: you're da Man too fool (to paraphrase a Tool song).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 07:45 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: SparcVark at January 04, 2011 07:47 PM (xwRxk)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 07:47 PM (5/yRG)
That is not difficult to understand. Please try.
Posted by: DMXRoid at January 04, 2011 11:41 PM (vd872)
Not severe? Tell that to the Afghans whose lives are threatened by those leaks, and could lose their heads because of it. And, did you miss the reason for this blog post?
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 07:50 PM (KqBTY)
unknown jane, keep yer pigs away from my taters and carrots or you will be thrown out in the wilderness, cute chat or not.
I see an opening for a hell of a time there.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 11:47 PM (5/yRG
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 07:52 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 07:57 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: willow at January 04, 2011 11:57 PM (h+qn
He's still trying to blackmail the world & personally, I think we should call his bluff. Get it out there & get it over with.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 08:03 PM (KqBTY)
Nite Willow -- it's been fun (and all your taters n carrots belong to me).
650 That wouldn't be as much fun as going in and wrecking it from the inside
Besides, their stuff probably wouldn't be worth much, but selling some of them into slavery might be lucrative (better get used to handling a manure fork roid boy, beware the dogs).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 04, 2011 08:06 PM (5/yRG)
.....unless youre an eagles fan (shameless i know, i jus felt the need.)
Posted by: str8 outta at January 04, 2011 08:21 PM (dwOwg)
Honestly I think him and any co-conspirators of his should be taken out, and taken out hard. Risk taking the hit of having the stuff released now, but make it so costly for the leakers that no one ever considers doing anything like this again.
Posted by: buzzion at January 05, 2011 12:08 AM (oVQFe)
Yep, I'd let it be known that he could take his little blackmail scheme & shove it. Then ask him if he thinks he'll live long enough to see it come to fruition.
Posted by: Steph at January 04, 2011 08:30 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: andycanuck at January 04, 2011 08:41 PM (2rOwc)
Posted by: Deanscream at January 04, 2011 10:38 PM (h35AH)
What did you do with your life? You are spitting and rejoicing in your little chair, while he is waiting for the Country of the Free to find an excuse and kill him like they are killing all over the world. American bullets of depleted uranium kill children who are born years after they leave, all sealed in secrecy, "In God we trust", I bet you didn't know.
You know the name of Julian Assange, but you don't know the names of the hundreds of thousands on all seven continents who are waiting to help his cause. He is another innocent man the US are after, just like they are after all of us. We are all J. A. and this is not just a phrase
(The text you pretend you know appeared in the Guardian on 8 dec, Assange was in prison then. Both Guardian and WL redacted the text, so it is not one man's fault.
And there's another thing: Mugabe has tried to kill his opponent number of times so far, he will hardly need WL to do so, he already knows his enemy. WL is not Zimbabwe's enemy, it is their dictatorship.)
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Posted by: China-store at January 05, 2011 04:01 AM (t24Na)
DMX,
Are you talking about actual, in-the-wild societies, or utopian communities?
Any real functioning society has to be able to defend itself (Iceland was only as stateless as it was because it was immune to foreign incursions) and to deal with malcontents permanently. That is one of the reasons why socialism sometimes is workable on a small scale, but never on a big: Small, utopian communities can simply expel those who refuse to cooperate and are protected by the state in which they happen to reside, but nations must force people to conform and protect themselves.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 05, 2011 05:16 AM (0aNP9)
You stupid smoke-blowing fuck, if I haven't made it clear, I don't give a flying fuck about you defending your unworkable anarchist principles. I'm asking you to defend your current, irreconcilable statements about what should be done with regard to state secrets now. In the real world, not your fucking bullshit fantasyland. You've already stated you're jacking off to your boyfriend Assange over releasing diplomatic cables because states shouldn't have secrets. Then you stated you're fine with keeping state secrets because it will stop Nazis. So which is it, fucknuts? Or is Assange your arbiter of what should be released and what not? Remember, I don't fucking care that you think your bullshit "ordered anarchy" that you're too chickenshit to live yourself would "solve" this problem. I only care that you realize that despite your pretensions, you're too fucking stupid to maintain a consistent position on one issue in a single thread. State secrets or not, Assange condom?
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Posted by: martina at January 05, 2011 04:02 AM (wqtxs)
I believe this is the first objectively true thing you've said that requires no qualification.
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Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 05, 2011 01:35 PM (bxiXv)
I had hopes that they could get it together to shore up the limited-government movement, but they've become pathological.
And one of the key "features" of a pathological way of thinking is that it isn't really open to discussion, i.e. no matter how high the post count gets, the absolutists aren't going to reconsider their opinions.
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