1

I kinda get the feeling some people aren't really analyzing this rationally and with an open mind.

Because logic isn't taught anymore outside of small Catholic colleges.

 

2 He's "bribing from behind".

3 "cap and trade? No serious conservative thinker would ever give a seconds thought to that scam." I hate to break it to everyone, but Cap & Trade was the free market answer to a Carbon Tax. The healthcare individual mandate was also a conservative concept at one time. This doesn't make them right answers, but let's not claim that Libs came up with Cap & Trade. And global warming had a strong momentum for a long time, until the last few years when the critics started getting some traction.

4 That's what I like about the comments on AoSHQ.  Mostly rational and open minded.  I would also like to add that Bin Laden is still alive. 

5 I kinda get the feeling some people aren't really analyzing this rationally and with an open mind.

What makes you say that?

6 But where does he stand on cobra subsidies ... ?

7

I would also like to add that Bin Laden is still alive. 

Damn straight!  He landed in a black helicopter in my back yard not 10 minutes ago!

8 RINOOOO!!!

9 I am tired of hunting cobras for everyone else...

10

RINOOOO!!!

Republican In Name Only Otherwise Obvisously an Octogerarian?

11 it's gonna be a long 18 months till the next election

12 It is good to be king.

13 Shall I go to the last thread and tell everyone we've got a new one?

14

...so that he can then, later, when he owes nothing to Iowa farmers (because they voted against him), give them everything they wanted from him in the first place?

I do find that argument silly.  However, I do find it very plausible that if he is elected President the Ethanol subsidies will be something he is will to compromise on or drop altogether in order to get something else.  If or when that happens, the benefits or damage that can cause will likely be up to people to decide on and whether he's actually getting something from it.

15

Let's see which way is the wind blowing...??

[checks out Pawlenty...] Okay, that's how it's blowing today.

16 Thanks for the cobra, stupid!

17 Wrong thread sorry

18 Is there something in the water today?

19 I hate to break it to everyone, but Cap & Trade was the free market answer to a Carbon Tax. Posted by: sexypig at May 23, 2011 04:12 PM (UmEOs) Cap & Trade is a regulatory scheme with a trade gimmick incentive for dupes and people looking for a way to appease greens. I remember reading about it in the WSJ in 2001 and scratching my head.

20 There'll be a late entry or two into the field. The highest odds go to Perry, maybe one more with Ryan or Christie. People don't want to jump in and burn money or give zero a chance to slander them for a long time.

21 Ace I am not sure what your point is with the cap and trade vs ethanol boondoggle. They are two separate issues.  I agree with whoever wrote that on cap and trade. It is a major hit on him and he pushed it for years hard. That along with a lot of so-called "green" shit". It takes a lot to walk back that kind of stuff.

As for the ethanol stuff I think most people will give him some credit for his stance. I don't much because his stance is somewhat week in that it is really a "we'll kick the can down the road and get rd of it some time".

22 I hate to break it to everyone, but Cap & Trade was the free market answer to a Carbon Tax.

Obviously you did not read the bill. Do not make the mistake of believing that a bill's title reflects what it actually does.

23 I'm for anyone who is not Barack Obama.

24 Now wait just a goshdurn minute here. If'n I don't get my money for my corn, why then I'm just gonna take all my corn and stick it in my cornhole. That's right. And I'm gonna keep all that corn in my cornhole all nice and safe till the price goes up. Then and only then when the price is high enough will I take the corn outta my cornhole so's you can eat it.

25 #17 I know where you live bucko ...

26

T Paw is my candidate until someone better gets in the race.

I kind of like the Johnson guy from New Mexico, but he has no chance in hell.

27 Remember, George Bush was the retard that masterminded 9-11.

28

I don't much because his stance is somewhat week in that it is really a "we'll kick the can down the road and get rd of it some time".

So, Vic, you're saying T-Paw has the political instincts of Newt Gingrich. 

Just kidding.  I figure it's the season for political suicide so we just just all point and laugh.

29 I kinda get the feeling some people aren't really analyzing this rationally and with an open mind. Not really surprising, is it? Have you ever talked to a Herr Doktor supporter? As the saying goes, they're so open minded their brains fell out.

30 I've heard Pawlenty described as a leader who sounds moderate but governs Conservative.

Sounds about perfect to me.

There are only two possible reasons for Pawlenty to come out against ethanol subsidies (and they aren't mutually exclusive):

a. He actually thinks they're bad policy, and/or
b. He wants to excite the Conservative base (useful early in the election process. . .he needs to start raising cash). .

But thinking this is some sort of pander to the general public is just nutso.  As mentioned, the Iowa primary is important and coming out against cash-for-corn is one of the must surefire ways to lose it.

31

The last Pawlenty thread has comments from a person who says that Pawlenty cannot be elected because his name sounds weird, like dog food.

Yes, this is one of the people yesterday who argued that concerns over Sarah Palin's electability were completely misplaced.

32 It's not that I think TP is lying as much as I think he's just like any other mainstream narcissistic politician-- he just says anything that gets him elected. TP is spouting off about "hard choices" because he reads the same blogs we do and figures that's what 'most' people want. He's wrong. Most people are on some form of the dole whether it's food stamps, Social Security, disability, government job, farm subsidies, tax credits... So most people are going to vote to keep the gravy train rolling. The fact that he's trying to get elected by extolling the virtue in making hard choices just tells me he's an idiot.

33 Posted by: Vic at May 23, 2011 04:19 PM (M9Ie6)

The point is not that he is going to end ethanol subsidies; the point is that he brought up a topic that is sure to alienate many Iowans. Why do it, especially if he is truly a fraud?

34 The days of free snakes are over people ...

35

The last Pawlenty thread has comments from a person who says that Pawlenty cannot be elected because his name sounds weird, like dog food.

Oh, I guess I'm OK with thinking Sarah can't be elected because of her shrill, nasal voice.

Glad to see I've got that cleared for use now.

36 Way early, but lets say it looks like T-Paw and M-Rom is the choice.  Would you rather have a guy that says "yep my mistake don't support it anymore" or the one that says "yeah fed socialism is good for states but bad for the feds, no mistakes here"?

37 Alaska's climate is warming.  While there have been warming and cooling trends before, climatologists tell us that the current rate of warming is unprecedented within the time of human civilization.  Many experts predict that Alaska, along with our northern latitude neighbors, will warm at a faster pace than any other areas, and the warming will continue for decades.

38 Anyway Ace two people, myself included, thought he was basically writing off the Iowa votes in hopes of picking up more in other States.

Remember that Iowa, NH, and SC are all split delegate States now.

39 #3 I hate to break it to everyone, but Cap & Trade was the free market answer to a Carbon Tax.

Bulls@#t.
Its a carbon tax scheme disguised with "free market" clothing.

40

"I'm for anyone who is not Barack Obama."

Anyone, or any thing! If the Republican candidate is an emptybottle of Rolling Rock Beer I will be at the polls when they open to vote for it.

41 Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 23, 2011 04:23 PM (sbV1u) I like Palin myself, and the name argument is pretty f'n silly. I actually think your point about her voice is more relevant.

42

The last Pawlenty thread has comments from a person who says that Pawlenty cannot be elected because his name sounds weird, like dog food.

Yes, this is one of the people yesterday who argued that concerns over Sarah Palin's electability were completely misplaced.

This is in the same league as making the case that McCain is simply another flawed candidate like Reagan since both supported amnesty!

43

>>>The last Pawlenty thread has comments from a person who says that Pawlenty cannot be elected because his name sounds weird, like dog food.

>>>Yes, this is one of the people yesterday who argued that concerns over Sarah Palin's electability were completely misplaced.

Why do you expect a rational response to a position that these people were never reasoned into in the first place?

44 It's my sacred honor to inform you that not only did T-paw make sweet, sweet love with me but he promised condom subsidies for Big Rubber.

45 35 The days of free snakes are over people ... Posted by: Honey Badger at May 23, 2011 04:23 PM (GvYeG) You sound like you don't give a shit?

46 Makes sense to me Ace.

47 6 But where does he stand on cobra subsidies ... ?

Posted by: Honey Badger at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (GvYeG)

He's in favor of letting folks like you do all the work, and then he just takes it. "Thanks, stupid!"

48

"I'm for anyone who is not Barack Obama."

Anyone, or any thing! If the Republican candidate is an empty bottle of Rolling Rock Beer I will be at the polls when they open to vote for it.

Thank you. There is no world where I will under any circumstances vote for Obama. Ever. End of story.

49 Undead States may just be my favorite sockpuppeting poster.  Christine O'Donnell always seems to appear at a moment timed for maximum comedic effect.

50 "Cap & Trade is a regulatory scheme with a trade gimmick incentive for dupes and people looking for a way to appease greens." I actually went from supporting Cap & Trade to supporting a Carbon Tax, assuming global warming is real. Which is the real problem. Is it even happening? I have enough doubt now to not support either.

51

Open yourrr miiind.

52 Why do it, especially if he is truly a fraud?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (LH6ir)

I don't understand the tie to the AGW scam?

53 #48 This is starting to tick me off ....

54

I like Palin myself, and the name argument is pretty f'n silly. I actually think your point about her voice is more relevant.

Well since we're parsing names...whoever thought we'd elect a guy who sounds like the capital of a small, corrupt African nation?

My sarcastic point is that if we (the editorial "we") are all concerned about something surface, then the Founding Fathers are now spinning in their graves like tops.

55 It's so awesome that Pawlenty is launching his campaign in Iowa talking about ethanol subsidies! Light up the base T-Paw!!

56 The fact that he's trying to get elected by extolling the virtue in making hard choices just tells me he's an idiot.
Posted by: SuperMag at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM

True.  The guy is boned.

57 Tim Pawlenty has the charisma of the teacher from Ferris Bueller, and the name recognition of the dog catcher from Sheboygan, WI. Go ahead nominate him, Obama will win 48 states.

58 Watch Out!

59 "Wrong thread sorry

Posted by: Tom Petty at May 23, 2011 04:19 PM (/izg2)"

I LOL'd

60 #32 The last Pawlenty thread has comments from a person who says that Pawlenty cannot be elected because his name sounds weird, like dog food.

Couldn't agree with you more.
That clown is unelectable because of his weird name.

61 Pawlenty would make a good dog food name. Obama is an excellent mayonaisse. McCain are nice fries. Biden...now that sounds like an Adult Diaper Brand, or a shitty metal band.

62 Say, how would you say Obama in pig latin?

Just wondering.

63 >>He's "bribing from behind". He's French?

64 58 Tim Pawlenty has the charisma of the teacher from Ferris Bueller, and the name recognition of the dog catcher from Sheboygan, WI. Go ahead nominate him, Obama will win 48 states.

Posted by: Jean Crowden...not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (GIB2y)

Why don't you just change your silly little tag to "Not a Republican"

Fuck off troll.

65 It bugs me that Pawlenty used the same "Courage To Stand" and "Stand Up For Cap and Trade" BS slogans. Pawlenty will apparently stand for anything, and it means nothing in the long run. Mitt's a flipflopper, and TPaw is doing the wave.

66 "...so that he can then, later, when he owes nothing to Iowa farmers (because they voted against him), give them everything they wanted from him in the first place?"

Yeah...because the Iowa farm vote is such a huge block of support.

Count me among those who do not trust Pawlenty. As for lack af analysis...my wife was born and raised in Minnesota and she says she'd rather have Jessie Ventura running for president because "at least you know where he stands and it doesn't change from week to week."

67 OT:

Parenting bizarreness:

Parents keep child's gender secret

http://tinyurl.com/3q6cc56

And yes, this is as strange as you might imagine. However, it does not take place in California.

68 Pawlenty would make a good dog food name.

I thought it was a snack food sold at theaters.

69 WTF Ben Stein has loads of charisma.

70 I get the feeling that italics are being overused.

71 Don't call me stupid ...

72 I don't give a %^$#

73 didn't Enron come up with the whole cap and trade concept?

74 Cap & Trade was the free market answer to a Carbon Tax.

More specifically, Ken Lay invented it.  Tabibbi or however you spell that at Rolling Stone implied in one of his articles that Goldman Sachs had Enron taken down so they could steal the idea for themselves.

75 OT: AP guilty of seriously skewing sample in new poll that asks about Medicare and SS

"...the respondents were 46% Democrats, 29% Republicans and 4% Independents and 20% people who donÂ’t know what they are."

76

Obama will win 48 states.

12% real unemployment

Gas at $4 a gallon

Inflation ramping up.

Yes, he has quite a story to tell.  Quite a story.

 

 

77 Don't call me stupid ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at May 23, 2011 04:31 PM (GvYeG)

I thought you didn't give a shit? What's next, you going to have a coming out party?

78 T-PAWWWWWW!!!! T-PawT-PawT-Paw...

79

I think T-paw's trying to get us in the cul-de-sac.

Meh...he's got my vote. I'm easy.

 

80 I miss read the headline as Stupid Song and spent the whole time reading the post thinking "What song?".

81

He still says very plainly that he supports the idea of subsidizing ethanol. If we haven't even managed to defund things which we don't think should get funding in the first place, why believe it will ever happen for something a President and half the caucus thinks deserves funding?

It's a great way to permeate Telling the Truth buzz, though!

82 Tim Pawlenty has the charisma of the teacher from Ferris Bueller, and the name recognition of the dog catcher from Sheboygan, WI. Go ahead nominate him, Obama will win 48 states.

And you have the intellect of roadkill, mixed with the charm of oozing chancres. Plus you're so braindead that you don't even know how many states there are- there are 58, you stupid shit. Just ask the stuttering prick you fap off to every night.

83 I shot a Honeybadger once...once.

84 italics now stuck on this post, affecting whole blog

85

I thought you didn't give a shit? What's next, you going to have a coming out party?

Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:33 PM (MtwBb)

 

It's my sacred honor to inform you that I had sex with Honey Badger after we flipped through old issues of OUT magazine.

86 Ace,
   I think Tpaw is an acceptable candidate on our side. I will support him over Obama for sure. He doesn't deserve this kind of emotional attack from our side. But you seem to take it to the extreme to make your point (which I think is cheap). There is a case to be made that the mood in the Rep primary now is urgent fiscal conservatism. So Tpaw is playing politics, as Drew pointed out, to position himself to win the Rep primary. There is nothing wrong with this. It is simply the right thing to do and smart politics. Some anti-Tpaw people simply claimed that they didn't believe him. This is the kind of partisan politics we want to avoid in the primary. But it is not a big deal in my opinion! Other candidates endure this kind of attack all the times. We need someone to defend the principles of the Ryan 's plan. Ideally Ryan should run and defend it since he put the party in the position to win or lose with his plan. Since he is not running, we need someone to defend it on the national stage to protect other candidates. I hope Tpaw step up to do that. Otherwise, we need another one to make the case to provide cover for him!

87

OT from headline sidebar - Supremes say 5-4 that 46,000 inmates must be released in terminally-boned Cali ?  Any morons know where I can buy 12 gauge shells cheap ? 

 

88 Only my candidate is worthy and pure.  Your candidates are dishonest child-molesting criminals.

89 I shot a honey badger, in the face.  Now the bitch carries my golf clubs.

90 #49

I'm with you 100%.  Any "R" running against Obama has my vote.

But the issue isn't winning over persons like myself or typical AOSHq readers. 

Like always the issue is going to be swinging the swing states. 

Iowa, for example, is one of the States that went for Bush (over Kerry) in 2004, but for Obama in 2008.

Personally, I think this meme about "no good Republican candidates" is a bunch of BS.  Frankly at this stage of the game last election cycle, the leading Democrat candidate was Hillary Clinton.  In which universe were her, Obama, and Edwards a bunch of strong candidates?  

Obama won the nomination largely because he was the best non-Clinton candidate.  He won the election (rightly or wrong) because he was the Democrat candidate after 8 years of Republican Bush, and because he wasn't vetted by a fawning press.

Pawlenty is a stronger candidate now than any of them were then, and I think he's only going to get better with time.

91 78 I was channeling Ron Paul ...

92 There are three things, besides jobs and the economy and the rising prices of just about everything that bother the American people, well the normal ones, not the libs/dems.  They are 1.  People want their borders closed and they want immigration to continue as it has for over a hundred years, they liked the system the way it was.  You apply and wait you turn and you come to this country to live the genuine American dream not the coopted American dream advertised by the libs/dems/left.   2.  People don't want cap and trade and they view climate change as the scam that it is.  Thsi cap and trade is nothing but another chicago money making scheme and they see it as such, the next fannie and freddie sort of deal.  3.  People want the great American health care system back, the way it was.  period, end of sentence. 

oh and 4.  contrary to popular beliefs, fostered by the MSM, the American people are fighting back in a way.  They are saving, they are paying down their debt and they aren't buying, literally buying only what they need.  They are the voracious consumers that they were depicted as in the past.  As you can see, short of forcing people to spend, the keynesians are screwed as their little system is based on lots of buying and credit and conspicuous consumption.  Americans are quietly tanking their own economy cause they've had enough of DC and wall street and the little piece they can control, they are controlling.

93 Tim Pawlenty has the charisma of the teacher from Ferris Bueller, and the name recognition of the dog catcher from Sheboygan, WI. Go ahead nominate him, Obama will win 48 states.


And they said Pawlenty doesn't inspire passion in people. Pfffft!

94 12% real unemployment Gas at $4 a gallon Inflation ramping up. Yes, he has quite a story to tell. Quite a story. --- Don't you racist Tea Baggers get it that this is all part of the plan. We need more than four years to fix George Bush's mess. Sheesh...

95 I'm glad plenty came out against ethanol. I was surpried because he supported them a month ago. Still dont think he will go anywhere if others join the race. His cap and tax flip flop screams oppurtunism. Btw, plenty might be related to dukakis or huckabee. Willie horton 3 , http://tinyurl.com/3x342bs . I cant believe this has been off the radar. Damn

96 I have the genitalia of a premature infant, and the intelligence of a particularly dim cockroach from San Francisco, CA. Go ahead ignore me, Charles Johnson will spread his self on me in a few minutes.

97 48 states? psssht.  Odumbass is completely boned in 25 without even an opponent yet.

98

#44

Ugh. I'm still hoping for the possibility that some people see that no candidate is perfect and that even a slight amount of pragmatism can go a long way in helping to sort through the field.

99 Obama is beatable. Seriously. It's always the economy stupid. This economy is a disaster under three years of Obamanomics. We just need a candidate to drive that point home. T-Paw coming out of the gate whining about ethanol subsidies doesn't quite ring the bell.

100 Wheels within wheels.

101

OT from headline sidebar - Supremes say 5-4 that 46,000 inmates must be released in terminally-boned Cali ?  Any morons know where I can buy 12 gauge shells cheap ? 

 

Posted by: societyis2blame (stringing razor wire around the yard...) at May 23, 2011 04:36 PM (srV3y)

Well, the inmates probably will have some.

102 Okay, a brief history lesson on Cap and Trade.
Yes it has a conservative pedigree.  Essentially the exact same idea was implemented under GHW Bush to control sulfur dioxide emissions, which cause acid rain.  (C. Boyden Gray was the architect of that.)  The idea is that if you want to reduce the amount of something that is bad, the government can either rely on direct coercion and mandates to force people to do it, or they can rely on this market-based mechanism which causes people to reduce their emissions on their own.  To the extent that we conservatives would rather have people coming to their own conclusions about what to do, rather than government coercing them to do it, that is why it is called a 'conservative' solution.  Cap-and-trade is still a form of government coercion, it is just not as obnoxious as the typical government regulation route.

But it all rests on the hypothesis that man-made CO2 emissions are 'bad' in the context of global warming.  That is a hypothesis that is not yet been established, to say the least.

BUT, back before the East Anglia email leak, the balance of evidence SEEMED to favor the pro-warmist side.  SO, if you accept the hypothesis that man-made CO2 emissions are as bad to the environment as, say, SO2 emissions in causing acid rain, then it is completely understandable why a conservative-minded guy like Pawlenty would choose a cap-and-trade type scheme.  (In addition to the political benefits that would accrue to him for governing in a liberal state.)

Oh and let's not forget that the hard-left enviro-whackos oppose cap-and-trade because they don't think it goes far enough, because cap-and-trade won't force people to stop burning gasoline like what the watermelon greenies want to do to us.

So yeah it is bad that Pawlenty didn't look more carefully into the AGW scam before declaring his support for cap-and-trade but in my mind at least this is only a small knock against him.  He went along with a reasonable idea to solve what was presumed to be a problem at the time.

103 This election is going to be a particularly tough election on the republican side.  After having John McCain shoved down their throats most republicans or ex republicans who are now registered independents just don't trust the republicans at all, not one iota, period.  This is part of the reason why the tea party was so effective in the last election cycle.  It wasn't republicans who got elected, it was tea party republicans who got elected, a huge difference. 

I know, what do I know, I'm a NYer and my vote doesn't count.  So I shouldn't even bother right?

104 #96.

Building a successful Presidential campaign requires a pretty big infrastructure.

Its already getting close to the 11th hour to do it, and anyone on the fence who hasn't formed an "exploratory committee" to run already is getting close to too late to do so.

The point is, the field is probably pretty well defined already.

In terms of "flip flop", I honestly don't think "cap and trade" is really on the forefront of the electorates mind right now, and to the extent that it is, I don't think being against it is the wrong side.  Again, the point is that I don't see this particular issue as hurting Pawlenty.

105 whining about ethanol subsidies

whining? word choice can be important.  how about "noting" or "talking about"?  As for me I took notice and raise him a few notches in my book.

106 "I'm for anyone who is not Barack Obama."

Bob Dole thanks you for your support!

107 Yeah...because the Iowa farm vote is such a huge block of support.

well, Iowa is going to be a swing state in play this year...

108 Flapjackmaka, you really are my least favorite person on AoSHQ.  Have you ever had a good thing to say about any candidate not named Sarah Palin? 

Oh and incidentally, Pawlenty didn't let that guy in your link out of jail.  He had already served out the entirety of his sentence.  Pawlenty's pardon was retroactive.

You really are a worthless scrunt.

109 107 "I'm for anyone who is not Barack Obama."

Bob Dole thanks you for your support!

Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 04:45 PM (7mSYS)

You see, with the democrats last time there were a lot of "I'm for anyone who isn't hillary" types and look who we got. 

that's why people are so afraid to jump on the "anyone who isn't BO" bandwagon, why they want a serious candidate with the personality of trump and christie and the knowledge of Bolton and Cain and the political experience of newt and the money raising capability of mittens and the steely face book postings of saracuda and the absolute balls of bachman and brewere and fiorina. 

So where is that guy or girl?

110 Pawlenty has a million "outs" on cap and trade.   One of the most obvious is that while it seemed like a good idea at the time, he's seen its failure at play in Europe and has decided it isn't a good idea for us now.

Hard to argue with that.

Its *especially* hard to argue with a position against an additional fuel tax with $4.00 a gallon gas right now.

Which side of "cap and trade" is Obama on?  He's for it.

111

#105

It is getting very late. Even Thompson formed an exploratory committee June 1st in 2007. He also was polling very well nationally at that point until around October.

The only candidate who has the name recognition to pull something like that off this cycle is probably Sarah Palin.

Also, Romney raising about $30- $40 million this quarter will probably kill off anyone still on the fence when the numbers come out in August.

112 >>Okay, a brief history lesson on Cap and Trade. Yes it has a conservative pedigree. Guess what, so does the individual mandate. The Heritage Foundation, the very same Heritage Foundation that Rush Limbaugh humps all the time, introduced this concept in 1989 and not only hasn't backed off it they were one of the architects of Romney's plan.

113 Are there not going to be any dems challenging Petey in the primaries?  That's where a lot of opportunity exists.

114 You really are a worthless scrunt.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 23, 2011 04:47 PM (hIWe1)

And Jeff B. is so much better than you, that he can easily identify a worthless scrunt, even without looking in the mirror!

115 I kinda get the feeling some people aren't really analyzing this rationally and with an open mind.

Amen.  Pawlenty is the new Palin, or sort of.  Politics is becoming jejune and kinda frenzied in a weird way.

 All this time under Obama is making a lotta people cra--zeeeee

116 Guess what, so does the individual mandate.

Oh I know.  I still don't like it though.

117 I wish Pawlenty and the others would focus on the big issues of the budget rather than these small issues. We could eliminate all the ethanol "subsidies" and our deficit would not budge. I agree they should be gone, but lets do the big stuff please. Small ball will not cut it anymore.

118 Sarah Palin has a lot being said about her in the MSM, on blogs and in comments after news articles that sometimes don't even mention her.  Tina Fey effectively drove home the "sarah palin is stupid meme, almost as well as the SNL guy at the WH correspondents dinner who helped eviscerate trump.

I mean how do you counter act the idea that you are considered stupid?  How do you prove you are smart?  Cause that is the one thing I"m always told about palin, "oh she's so stupid"...everyone gets quiet and no one says anything after that.  And, I've noticed them starting to say that with Michelle Bachman too, it worked once so they figure they can do it again.  Oddly to the women.  the lib/dem/left NOW hypocrites are quiet cause it suits their agenda.

119

Personally, I think this meme about "no good Republican candidates" is a bunch of BS.  Frankly at this stage of the game last election cycle, the leading Democrat candidate was Hillary Clinton.  In which universe were her, Obama, and Edwards a bunch of strong candidates?

To me this is looking more and more like the 1992. Conventional media wisdom making the incumbent seem unbeatable. The economy as the #1 issue. High profile candidates like Mario Cuomo and Algore declining to run. A murderer's row (sarc) of Jerry Brown, Bill Clinton, Bob Kerrey, Paul Tsongas, Tom Harkin as candidates.

Hopefully one of these guys will come out of nowhere as Clinton did.

120 >>Oh I know. I still don't like it though. Me either. But as was said about democracy, it's the worst solution accept all the others.

121 didn't W. make his announcement in Sept of 99?  seems plenty of people could still get in if they wanted.

122 Ugh. I'm still hoping for the possibility that some people see that no candidate is perfect and that even a slight amount of pragmatism can go a long way in helping to sort through the field.

But at least we can see the difference between McCain and Reagan. We are not talking about perfection here. This purity talk is a cheap ploy to attack the candidate you don't like, and then fall back on the perfection fallacy to support the candidate you like!

123 Oh and incidentally, Pawlenty didn't let that guy in your link out of jail.  He had already served out the entirety of his sentence.  Pawlenty's pardon was retroactive. ----------- Yeah, im sure the media will clear that up, they are understanding /s. Im glad im your least favorite commentator. Im happy im a big influence in your life

124 The problem is all the dems/libs/left media scrunts are out there saying "it's romney's turn next and that's how the archaic stupid, no progressive republican party does things, they pick the person whose turn it is next"  They undermine the party, the candidate the process, a lot of bang for your buck if you are them.  Why hasn't the republican party gotten out there and challenged this stuff?  Why aren't they all over the place complaining?  

125 I mean how do you counter act the idea that you are considered stupid?

We can apply the same strategy against them. Simply claimed that the Obama is an arrogant fool and claimed that his supporters are so stupid. We can play with parody. Obama is so smart that he can make his supporters to suspend logic/facts/reason. And we have plenty of material to work with. For example, some slogans like winning 58 states, going back to 1967 budgets etc... As Rush pointed out, the question is not whether we can but whether we have the guts to do it. They will do it to our candidates. Instead of giving in to them, ridiculing them back when they bring up Palin. Compare her to Obama and ridicule them etc...

126 Romney/West 2012--its the corn-free coalition.

127 Matt Taibbi is zombie Stalin

128
 Sarah, you betcha.  I know this puts two of us at right angles to Ace (ty, Tangonine, that was good) but there you go. If she does not run, I will for the first time do a write-in.  I refuse to NOT vote, that's just asinine. That said, the arguments here are really informative, and I mean that with no snark or sarcasm.

129

#123

What would give you the impression that I think that McCain is as conservative as Ronald Reagan?

I made the point yesterday that every candidate has done at least one thing that would put them on someone's 'never' list. That includes Ronald Reagan. I'm sorry that pointing out a fault of Reagan's to make a point means I'm some sort of McCain loving RINO.

What you don't seem to understand is that the most conservative, electable candidate is different in 2008 than it was in 1980. There is no reasonable argument to say otherwise. You may not like that (I sure as hell don't), but it doesn't change that reality.

130

I wish Pawlenty and the others would focus on the big issues of the budget rather than these small issues. We could eliminate all the ethanol "subsidies" and our deficit would not budge.

I agree they should be gone, but lets do the big stuff please. Small ball will not cut it anymore.

I see- so what you're saying is that we tell seniors that we're going to have to reduce their Medicare benefits, but all those other guys getting free shit- they get to keep theirs.

You're not going to convince people that we need to make big cuts when you're not willing to make the little ones first.

131

Sarah, you betcha.  I know this puts two of us at right angles to Ace (ty, Tangonine, that was good) but there you go. If she does not run, I will for the first time do a write-in.  I refuse to NOT vote, that's just asinine. That said, the arguments here are really informative, and I mean that with no snark or sarcasm.

She still won't have sex with you, so give it up already.

132 I'd go WAY out on a limb and guess that people who write stuff like that about Pawlenty are talking about the gold standard within 2 or 3 minutes afterwards, if you catch my drift. Just a hunch.

133

There is a simple, bulletproof observation one can make from all of this.

You are all RINOs out to make TruePatriots look too extreme and crazy.

However, even those TruePatriots look suspicious. I heard one enjoys buttsex and another painted their car red.

 

Buttsex and Red both have the letter R...

 

Just like a RINO.

 

 

134

I mean how do you counter act the idea that you are considered stupid?  How do you prove you are smart? 

You get out there and demonstrate it.  You go toe-to-toe with people who ask tough questions, and you give smart answers.  She hasn't.

And no, ghostwritten Facebook postings and platitudes on Hannity don't cut it.

135 I made the point yesterday that every candidate has done at least one thing that would put them on someone's 'never' list. That includes Ronald Reagan. I'm sorry that pointing out a fault of Reagan's to make a point means I'm some sort of McCain loving RINO.

That 's fine. It is a no brainer to know that we live in the imperfect world. People are not looking for perfection. Reagan has an unashamed record of conservatism in words and deeds. And we all know that politics is the art of the possible since we have opposing ideas at any given time. So Reagan made a wrong compromise here and there to advance other important issues (economic growth and national defense) on the conservative agenda. That 's why Reagan is a conservative icon and McCain (or Tpaw) is not. That 's the point.

136 Pawlenty is a wimp.

137

Pawlenty:  Everything I say to you is a lie.  I'm lying....

Norman(idiot) - If everything you say is a lie, then you must be lying, but if you are lying, then you must be telling the truth, but you can't be telling the truth because everything you say is a lie (head explodes).

138 Freakin rove just claimed on " Vannity's" show that Huntsman is a modern rogue conservative! Hahaha I am really starting to hate him! Maybe  the next  McCain!

139

Guess what, so does the individual mandate. The Heritage Foundation, the very same Heritage Foundation that Rush Limbaugh humps all the time, introduced this concept in 1989 and not only hasn't backed off it they were one of the architects of Romney's plan.

And tht was a semi-legitimate argument... right up until Obamacare passed.

Yes, Romneycare was at the state level, but the two are similar enough that there's no good way to spin it as a conservative advancement while advocating a repeal of Obamacare.

140 He's from MN for Pete's sake.

141 Thaddeus McCotter seriously needs to get into the race -- not necessarily to win the nomination, but to provide a voice for the ideological core of the conservative movement.  There's no one else out there who articulates the conservative message as well as McCotter does.  He would generate enough enthusiasm among movement conservatives to justify his presence in the race, I think.

142 Posted by: marine43 at May 23, 2011 05:12 PM (mOkwb)

I really feel there is a huge rift in the republican party, the rove/bush contingency and other contingencies like the folks that like christie and cain.  I think they are holding funding over people's heads to get them to step in line and I think Rove is a real trouble maker.  He's not pro huntsman, he's pro jev bush and they are going to role jeb out at the last minute.

Also, no matter what anyone says, Rove's imprint was all over BO's campaign....and when I said that someone here responded "money is green".....

143 Again, this has to do with what you're willing to put up with and what you cannot tolerate. Cain supported TARP. Palin shows questionable judgement. Pawlenty was a cap™ guy. On and on it goes; they all have negatives. Which negative is too much for you and which can you tolerate?

144 I mentioned Thaddeus McCotter last night.  I really like him but for different reasons than you do. 

He appears wholly genuine, is brilliant, has a wicked sense of humor and loves this country with a fiery red passion.  Plus he doesn't behave like the quintessential politician (looking at you mittens and t paw)...he behaves like a regular guy.  And he makes you think that your opinion, what you think, matters to him.  He doesn't make you think you are too stupid to even have an opinion like BO and mittens and huntsman do.

145 Didn't the first TARP succeed?

146 Let's see.....Palin has common sense, conservative stances on the issues....and is not afraid to take it to the left..

Pawlenty is a big government "progressive" Republican who dove into the deep end and wallowed in the most fucked up liberal causes.... and is a fucking pussy

...and who gets trashed here??

147 By the way the name theory does have some weight, that's why I knew Huckabee had no chance. Say it with me: "president Huckabee" ... no. The name has to feel and seem presidential, even if people don't consciously decide based on that, they've got it in the back of their heads. President Madison vs President Goofballwapding. Madison wins that, every time.

148
Don't feed the Concern Trolls, Ace.

Tho T-Paw should explain that whole cap-N-trade thing.

149 146 Didn't the first TARP succeed?

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 05:19 PM (k1rwm)

Might have for some.

150 I kinda get the feeling some people aren't really analyzing this rationally and with an open mind. Well well well, Ace. Now you know how everyone outside of the Palin cult feels.

151 ...and who gets trashed here??

Posted by: beedubya at May 23, 2011 05:19 PM (AnTyA)

Have you no mercy, beedubya? What did I ever do to you?

152  @ 145 -- Those qualities aren't lost on me, either.  I think they complement his ideological grounding and ability to articulate it.  He just strikes me as the bridge between the warring factions within the conservative coalition and would draw both ends toward the middle with his unflinching advocacy of core conservative principles.  I would love to have him in the debates to provide a center of ideological gravity.

153 >>And tht was a semi-legitimate argument... right up until Obamacare passed. Nonsense. Facts don't change just because they go out of fashion. The individual mandate was a conservative position long before anyone had ever heard of Obama. And it should be. Whether anyone likes it or not we already have universal healthcare and have for decades. Anyone can show up at any time at a hospital and get treated for "free". Free to them, the rest of us pay through higher taxes and higher premiums. These are facts, not left or right opinion. Individual mandates just mean that everyone needs to pay into a system that everyone uses. Individual responsibility has always been a conservative tenet.

154

#147

I can't speak for everyone who dislikes Palin as the nominee, but I don't support her because she has some of the most consistent and negative political approval numbers of a major candidate for President in decades.

Why can't it be possible to recognize that she is a conservative but absolutely the wrong choice for this election?

155
  Just for shits and giggles, I'd LOVE to watch those of you who take such pleasure in denigrating Palin in a face to face chat.  I suspect you'd get your asses handed to you so nicely you wouldn't even realize it 'til much later. And further, I doubt you'd have the nerve to actually confront her with some of the asinine bullshit that has been posted here.

 

156

Let's see.....Palin has common sense, conservative stances on the issues....and is not afraid to take it to the left..

Pawlenty is a big government "progressive" Republican who dove into the deep end and wallowed in the most fucked up liberal causes.... and is a fucking pussy

...and who gets trashed here??

OK...is Sarah running, or not? No point in discussing her negatives if she is not actually running. See Daniels, Huckabee, Thune, et. al.

157

Why can't it be possible to recognize that she is a conservative but absolutely the wrong choice for this election?

Posted by: Paper at May 23, 2011 05:28 PM (VoSja)

If so, the primaries will show it. Therefore I don't see the point of shrieking it for years prior to those primaries. 

158 Sorry...but Pawlenty is a cunt

Back when the left and the MFing MBM were blaming the Tea Party (for which I proudly wave my flag high) and Palin for the Gifforfds shooting...T-Paw did an interview where he was asked about the infamous Palin "target map" (which she was only tangentially related to) he took his cue and said it had no place in political discourse and that she should apologize for it

...ironically enough, T-Paw was promoting his book called "Courage to Stand"

Just sit down, you fucking, pussy

159

Didn't the first TARP succeed?

Define "succeed".

In the end, the jury should still be in that fucking room waiting the for the Fed's easy money policy to take its course.

160 T-Paw did an interview where he was asked about the infamous Palin "target map" (which she was only tangentially related to) he took his cue and said it had no place in political discourse and that she should apologize for it

The hits keep coming. Good.

161

I couldn't agree more with what the commentor said. T-Paw is a clear RINO....doesn't mean he is a bad person, just means if  that's who you want for President....don't whine when you end up with someone who will be more Progressive than Conservative.

If T-Paw is my choice I will vote for him, but I will definitely vote him out in the next election....He will only be a fill in, not a long term solutions Leader.

"Tim Pawlenty....Our cardboard, Tofu, Rice Cake Fill-In Leader!" 

162 T-Paw was my governor, he started out as a Moderate Repub, and moved further right through out his administration. The Dems here hate him worse than GWB or Sarah was hated on the national level. He had nothing but dem dominated legislatures and stomped a mud hole with them, beat them like a rented mule. Ran out of bubble gum and kicked ass. If he seems dull, thats because he is an adult, and is a pretty affable humble guy, with a core of steel.... Dang, I think I just talked myself into supporting him!

163

Paultards

Obamabots

(fill in the blank)

You get the picture.

 

Btw- for the trolls who love to shriek "nominate x and Obama will win 40+ states."

 

It is electorally impossible. The states in the last 2 decades have drifted rather far apart in ideology for a Republican to lose more than 38 states.

A Republican will always- I repeate this in case some want to ignore the three dimensional space-time box we call reality- always carry:

Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Alaska, South Dakota, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina in all Presidential races.

A Democrat will always- again, repeating for the hard of thinking- always carry

Hawaii, Maryland, DC, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Delaware, California, and Illinois.

There are some states that in some odd remote chance could flip to the R or the D, but NO Republican will carry more than 41 states, and NO Democrat will carry more than 39 states. It is not politically possible, save for their opponent raping a gang of toddlers on live TV while repeatedly screaming HAIL STAN (because they are so intolerable they can't even say Satan's name right).

 

So if you are going to troll or speak in landslide scenarios, try to keep one toe on the earth.

164 Why can't it be possible to recognize that she is a conservative but absolutely the wrong choice for this election?

I don't think she will run...and this has nothing to do with it anyway.. I am fucking pissed as hell at the shit our side gives her for pretty much the same reason I am for those like Gingrich and that little twat Scott Brown slamming Ryan and his plans.

Palin is a fucking force, whether you like her or not, especially because she is one of the very few to stand up for conservative principles and has the fucking balls to take it to the left. Trashing her only marginalizes her...and helps to do the same to the ideas she espouses.

 It's an Alinsky tactic. Rule #12: RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.

...and there are too many on our side joining in....and this only galvanizes the left.

From what I read, not many here disagree with her substantively on the issues.

Oooooh...but Tina Fey said she said she could see Russia from her house...and she has a nasally voice

165 anyone who think he is a RINO is delusional ...

166

I see- so what you're saying is that we tell seniors that we're going to have to reduce their Medicare benefits, but all those other guys getting free shit- they get to keep theirs.

You're not going to convince people that we need to make big cuts when you're not willing to make the little ones first.

Great Scott! - a Hollowpoint post I agree with 100%.

167 "The point is not that he is going to end ethanol subsidies; the point is that he brought up a topic that is sure to alienate many Iowans. Why do it, especially if he is truly a fraud?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (LH6ir)

Because he's just in it to run interference for Romney.  We will see a series of RINO's enter and leave, and each time the true conservatives and Tea Partiers will cheer and pat themselves on the back.  Meanwhile, conservative votes will be split amongst too many good candidates and RINO-Romney will win the nomination.  It's all been planned out.

168 And if two people walk in singin' about Tim Pawlenty and ethanol, in harmony, they may think they're faggots and not take either of them . .

169 Posted by: Jake Blues at May 23, 2011 05:39 PM (a2CS5)

Did you get an erection while writing that?

170   It's all been planned out.

Posted by: Bill at May 23, 2011 05:46 PM (JmgKH)

Ready for the "secret plans?".

Behind Closed Door Hats Rino Hats Pawlenty Hats Pusslenty Hats Purity Hats Secret Meetings Hats Elders of Zions Who Control Bachmanns Brain Hats Cain Equals Rino Cuz The Feds Hats Audit The Fed Hats Hat Hats Machine Hats

171 Pawlenty has no chance to win against Obama, but if he makes inroads with socons, he could be the veep. That means you'll have a weak debater with a dumb name on the ticket. The GOP will still probably lose MN.

172 Look, morons, how many time do I have to tell you, the surest way to win an election is to not have one.  And the surest way to not have an election is to cull the field before the campaign even starts.

Just ask Alice Palmer, Blair Hull or Jack Ryan. 

Operation Thin the Herd 2012 is right on track -- Trump, Barbour, Daniels, Huckleberrybee, whatever, all gone.   Pawlenty's going to hang around but the media will carve him down to size, or, more accurately, keep him looking like a dwarf compared to my teleprompter. That leaves Romney.  Please. Be still my beating heart.  The one and only Republican candidate who looks worse on health care than I do so he takes that issue off the table for 2012.  Gee, thanks.

So keep on eating yourselves.  You're only making my re-election a done deal.

173 Bill I deny any conspiracy with anyone in the Pawlenty camp with the exception of Pawlenty. Wait scratch that. I misspoke.

174

@167

Jeff,

"anyone who think he is a RINO is delusional"

And then we are forced to actually fess up to reality.......

"The era of small government is over.....government has to be more active....more aggressive." - Tim Pawlenty 2006

"It looks like we should have listened to President Jimmy Carter...He called us to action, and we should have listened...Climate Change is real. Human Behavior is partly and may be alot responsible. Those who don't think so are simply not right. We should not spend time on vioces that say it's not real." Tim Pawlenty 2006 

 Yeah sure Jeff......whatever you say!

175 Meanwhile, conservative votes will be split amongst too many good candidates and RINO-Romney will win the nomination. There is nothing good about Bachman, Cain and TPaw, and their supporters are too dumb to be entrusted with power, if they can't pick better candidates.

176 Where was "gutsy" Pawlenty during Tuscon? Oh thats right, he was saying how he wouldn't use a map!

177 So is it true that Pawlenty thought he was going to be McCain's running mate and when he didn't get the nod, when sara palin got the nod, that pawlenty had a big tantrum?

178 145 I mentioned Thaddeus McCotter last night.  I really like him but for different reasons than you do. 

He appears wholly genuine, ...



gag.cough.gag  Look at McCotter's record on union issues.  He voted for friggin' card check and auto bailouts!.  Thad McCotter and John Conyers are equally sure votes for the UAW. 

You want to daydream?  Then daydream about Paul Ryan running.

179 T-Paw did an interview where he was asked about the infamous Palin "target map" (which she was only tangentially related to) he took his cue and said it had no place in political discourse and that she should apologize for it

---

That's not what I recall.  Do you have a link? 

This is what I found with respect to Pawlenty on Palin's target map (Jan 11, 2011 as reported by CNN:

"It's not a device I would have chosen to do. Everyone has their style and their own choices," Pawlenty told the New York Times when asked about the map. "But I don't want to have anyone infer that there's evidence in this case that it caused or was a contributing factor. We don't know that."

"To draw some broad judgment or condemnation or conclusion based on the acts of a madman, particularly when all the facts aren't even in, is I think premature and unfair," he said. "There's no indication at present that this gentleman did anything that he did because of what Sarah Palin did or didn't do."

Did he follow this statement up with some additional statement in which he said she should apologize? 

180

T-Paw did an interview where he was asked about the infamous Palin "target map" (which she was only tangentially related to) he took his cue and said it had no place in political discourse and that she should apologize for it

...ironically enough, T-Paw was promoting his book called "Courage to Stand"

Just sit down, you fucking, pussy

False.  He didn't call for her to apologize for it.

He said that "I wouldn't have done it", but also went on to say that there was no reason to believe that her map had anything to do with it.

But yeah, I know- anything less than unqualified praise and worship to St. Sarah (pbuh), patron saint of the unelectable, is tantamount to treason and blasphemy.

181 every candidate that's discussed has a lot of negatives.  who wants a union reupblican.  If that is true about mccotter then he's off my radar.

182 Palin called Santorum a Neanderthal for telling the innocuous truth about her absence from CPAC. She's as thin skinned as her supporters.

183 Posted by: Reuther's ghost at May 23, 2011 06:05 PM (Xv7f/)

From the beginning I preferred Rand Paul's plan.  At least it's a plan and at least it goes far enough to make a difference.  I never liked Ryan's plan and I don't like Ryan for president.  I don't trust Ryan at all.

184 santoreum and johnson looked good in the debate.  Was kind of shocked that the luntz guy managed to put together an entire room that would take the attention from all the candidates but cain.  I didn't believe for one minute that this random bunch of folks all went for cain, it was a set up, but why?

185 From a local Fox station in MN:

Asked about the attempted assassination of Rep. Giffords, Pawlenty predicted it would alter political debate. He differentiated himself from Sarah Palin by saying he never would have used crosshairs on a map as she did to signal GOP campaign targets. But he stressed there "was no evidence" to suggest it motivated the shooting.

186 Has that Gov.Yawnplenty guy entered the race? Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z

187 Well, I had an interesting chat with my 79-yr old dad.  He lives in Maryland and is basically a Rush Limbaugh conservative (ie: pretty darned conservative) who watches Fox and reads several newspapers a day (WaPo, Washington Times, Baltimore Sun) although I think he's less tuned in than he used to be.  He was a Kennedy Democrat who switched when McGovern ran and never looked back. 

Anyhoo, he said he's waiting for the debates to see how the candidates shake out.  Of the folks who've been mentioned as possible candidates (the broadest universe, including people who say they won't be running) he is most enthusiastic about Paul Ryan.  He also likes Chris Christie.  He thinks Palin is not prepared to be President.  He likes some aspects of Newt (I suspect historical) but thinks he's immoral and untrustworthy.  He didn't have much of an opinion about Romney (although he thought Romney had said that Masscare was a mistake, which is not what I've read) and no opinions about Daniels or Pawlenty.  He thought Cain looked interesting, but he thought he might not be prepared to be president. 

The only one that surprised me was that he was very impressed by Michelle Bachmann. 

I confess she does not impress me, but if that's how my dad perceives her, perhaps she would be a viable candidate. 

188 This place needs new hinges.

189 Which thread was the second "Fraud" comment in?  I checked the most active Pawlenty/St.SarahIsStupid thread before this and only saw one.

190 Anyway, I think it's helpful to hear what people who are not political junkies are sensing about the field right now. 

My aunt, who is about the same age as my dad, voted for Obama last time after being hounded by her kids (my cousins).  She lives in central Massachusetts.  Widowed.  On a fixed (and very modest) income.  She's made it clear that she will vote for anyone that the Republicans put up.  She just won't tell her kids what she's doing.

191

But yeah, I know- anything less than unqualified praise and worship to St. Sarah (pbuh), patron saint of the unelectable, is tantamount to treason and blasphemy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 06:08 PM (SY2Kh)

It has nothing to do with Palin directly, but rather the way that T-Paw can't take a fucking stand. You could sub anyone name for Palin..and he's still a fucking little twat.

192

"random bunch of folks all went for cain, it was a set up, but why?"

For the same as usual reasons:

Race Trumps Gender Trumps Class Trumps Age Trumps Morality. Anybody associated with the media will always put the minority over the commonsense solution. You can't be in the media unless you instinctively think this way. You are weeded out if you do not fit this line of thinking. There is no question that there are some Conservative thinking in MSM, but don't be fooled, most of them are still Progressives, who are merely being paid to pretend as if they are Conservative.

193 He said that "I wouldn't have done it", but also went on to say that there was no reason to believe that her map had anything to do with it.

No shit T-Paw, you little bitch.

Have The Courage to Stand^© up to the MFing MBM and call them on their bullshit. No reason to believe?? That's your comeback, you "progressive republican" little f*g?

It wasn't just the implication that Palin was responsible for the leftist fucking whack-job for the shooting, it was all part of the MFingMBM campaign to smear Tea Partiers as violent racists.

...and all Timmeh could say was..."Well, gee whizzers...*hyuck*...I wouldn't a done it"

what a ball-less little fucking twat

194 "Guess what, so does the individual mandate. The Heritage Foundation, the very same Heritage Foundation that Rush Limbaugh humps all the time, introduced this concept in 1989 and not only hasn't backed off it they were one of the architects of Romney's plan." Yes, the mandate is conservative - its about personal responsibility. Imagine a mandate but no subsidies. However, my thinking has evolved so that even a solid idea has to be constitutional. Its not enough just to be an idea that would work or be better for some people, etc. (pareto efficient?) Because once you start going willy nilly from the constitution, you degrade the republic.

195 So far, beedubya is by far T-Paw's strongest advocate.  Anytime I've ever found myself in disagreement with a prolapse anus with typing skills, I've done pretty well for myself.

196

False.  He didn't call for her to apologize for it.

He said that "I wouldn't have done it", but also went on to say that there was no reason to believe that her map had anything to do with it.

But yeah, I know- anything less than unqualified praise and worship to St. Sarah (pbuh), patron saint of the unelectable, is tantamount to treason and blasphemy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 06:08 PM (SY2Kh)

It's worse than that.  They bitch - ENDLESSLY - that Sarah is misrepresented and misinterpreted and smeared and lied about, and then turn around and spread every false rumor possible about any and every other Republican who might pose a threat to her hypothetical candidacy.  They're the biggest bunch of hypocrites and crybabies in the political spectrum.

197

No shit T-Paw, you little bitch.

Have The Courage to Stand^© up to the MFing MBM and call them on their bullshit. No reason to believe?? That's your comeback, you "progressive republican" little f*g?

It wasn't just the implication that Palin was responsible for the leftist fucking whack-job for the shooting, it was all part of the MFingMBM campaign to smear Tea Partiers as violent racists.

You tell 'em!

In fact, he should've told the interviewer that he not only would've released a map with symbols that kinda looked like crosshairs, but he'd have put out wanted posters that read "Wanted: Dead or Alive, but preferably DEAD" with Giffords picture and home address on it.

He didn't imply that she was in part responsible, he said it wasn't his style but there was no reason to blame her for the actions of a deranged individual.  Calm down.

198 Here we go again. Power for powers sake. Lets ignore the fact that he is a big government warm-mongerer. He supported it for years, now he says he doesn't. For the Republicans, is there anything you limp-wristed, spineless fools won't forgive?

199

Nonsense. Facts don't change just because they go out of fashion.

The individual mandate was a conservative position long before anyone had ever heard of Obama. And it should be.

After Obamacare ws passed, 90% of conservatives who vote in the primaries would disagree, be they right or wrong.

Perception is reality, and you know it.

 

200

Take it from a life long Minnesnotta (nose high in the air when you say that) resident. You don't want two-faced Pawlenty for President.

201

For nearly a decade, the voters in Hennepin County MN had held at bay an attempt by the powers that be to build a new stadium for the Minnestoa Twins at the expense of the public. Minnesota law requires that any community that wishes to raise the local sales tax MUST put the issue before the voters of that community.

On Rush Limbaugh's radio show today, Pawlenty bragged that he built the Twins new stadium without using any state tax revenue to pay for it.  What he neglected to say was that Pawlenty and the Minnesota state legislature passed a law specifically exempting the voter referendum on the sales tax hike for Hennepin County.

Yes, Pawlenty didn't use state taxes to pay for the Twins stadium; he used the power of the state to require that only Hennepin county residents pay for the stadium.

202 Those of you who are falling for this guy better listen to those very few conservatives who live up here. Pawlenty refused to raise taxes a few years ago (< economic collapse) but had no problem with 900 million in new fees and charges.

203

But yeah, I know- anything less than unqualified praise and worship to St. Sarah (pbuh), patron saint of the unelectable, is tantamount to treason and blasphemy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 06:08 PM (SY2Kh)

It's worse than that.  They bitch - ENDLESSLY - that Sarah is misrepresented and misinterpreted and smeared and lied about, and then turn around and spread every false rumor possible about any and every other Republican who might pose a threat to her hypothetical candidacy.  They're the biggest bunch of hypocrites and crybabies in the political spectrum.

You are providing the perfect example of the very hypocrisy you are talking about. Can't make a straight argument without an ad-hominen attack. Why are you bitching endlessly when people pointed out some problems with Tpaw? Now anything unqualified praise and worship of St. Tpaw is tantamount to treason now? Oh yes, Reagan is just another flawed candidate. It it sad if you are not a troll.