May 17, 2011
— Ace Eurotrash, pure and simple. Nothing but fads and poses. And stupid. And also evil, as stupid frequently is.
An "extrajudicial execution," that's what many in the international community are now calling the killing of Osama bin Laden. The U.N.'s Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights has called for an investigation. According to a U.N. special rapporteur, if the U.S. commandos were under shoot-to-kill orders and did so without offering Bin Laden a "meaningful prospect of surrender," his killing could have been a "cold-blooded execution." In that case, the soldiers who shot him, together with President Obama and any other U.S. commanders who issued the kill orders, would in principle be guilty of murder and should be prosecuted as war criminals.These claims are absurd.
They're only absurd if you assume the claims are offered for their surface content. They're not. They're offered to signal high-minded and superiority.
People who wear monocles as fashion statements don't wear them because they believe they need a monocle. They wear them to signal they're the sort of person who would wear a monocle without needing a monocle.
They fail at this, except among those stupid enough to want to signal this as well, but they're the only ones who count.
The article is by a Yale Law Professor, who I do suspect would not have mounted so fulsome a defense for President Bush. However, his case is strong. After discussing the inherent risk of accepting a "surrender" from a man who flouts every law and every decency, and uses trickery to murder civilians with hidden bombs, he sums up:
International lawyers today see the law of war as "humanitarian law." That's what they call it. They see the waving of a white flag as the exercise of a human right. This is moral and legal confusion. Surrender isn't a human right. It's a privilege of lawful combat. Terrorists don't lose all legal protections — for example, they can't be sadistically tortured, even if they torture their prisoners — but they forfeit the special rights earned by lawful combatants, including the right to stop the shooting by raising one's hands in purported surrender.Most of the laws of war depend on a modicum of reciprocity: We give our enemy's soldiers certain rights in the hope that they will do the same for ours. Men who make war on innocent civilians and behead their prisoners live by a different law. They should expect to die by it as well.
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Posted by: ed at May 17, 2011 09:33 AM (LejjT)
Posted by: Donna at May 17, 2011 09:34 AM (bdE9c)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 17, 2011 09:35 AM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 17, 2011 09:36 AM (b0BN0)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 17, 2011 09:38 AM (+sBB4)
Think of that double tap as tiny little Flights 11 and 175 flying into OBL's brain.
Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary at May 17, 2011 09:41 AM (x/4B/)
Most of the laws of war depend on a modicum of reciprocity: We give our enemy's soldiers certain rights in the hope that they will do the same for ours. Men who make war on innocent civilians and behead their prisoners live by a different law. They should expect to die by it as well.
I like this comment, even though it's from Yale.
Posted by: KinleyArdal at May 17, 2011 09:42 AM (71jtl)
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 17, 2011 09:42 AM (O9Cc8)
Self Righteous indignation brought to you by the same people who brought humanity such great contribution as World War 1, World War 2, The Holocaust, Facism, Communism, Socialism, Police States, the Welfare State, and hairy women.
Posted by: Ben at May 17, 2011 09:42 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Roy at May 17, 2011 09:43 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: bigpale at May 17, 2011 09:45 AM (fpxgM)
Posted by: FUBAR, Realpolitiker at May 17, 2011 09:45 AM (1fanL)
I have been saying that for years. Fuck europe. They got a lot of balls man, ALL...ALL of the worst episodes in human history happened over THERE.
Posted by: Berserker at May 17, 2011 09:46 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro,VT at May 17, 2011 09:46 AM (48wze)
I invite you to review
Hostis humani generis
Few in history fit the description so well is OBL.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 17, 2011 09:46 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 17, 2011 09:46 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Ben at May 17, 2011 09:47 AM (wuv1c)
and I'm just getting started.......
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 17, 2011 09:48 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Newton Leroy Gingrich at May 17, 2011 09:48 AM (JufMr)
Why are we still in the U.N.?
Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2011 09:49 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2011 09:49 AM (F56VB)
Posted by: Derek Jeter at May 17, 2011 09:49 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: 141Driver at May 17, 2011 09:49 AM (/E3ql)
Posted by: Donna
Hey! That's different. We're enforcing a no fly zone. And if his baggage, his tickets, cab ride and he are bombed to smithereenies, then he can't fly. You ugly Americans don't understand European nuance.
Posted by: Eurofighter (no, it's not an oxymoron) at May 17, 2011 09:50 AM (Gzv/o)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 17, 2011 09:51 AM (FI38b)
30 Why are we still in the U.N.?
To share the wealth, of course. Why else would we violate to Constitution to go do something?
Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2011 09:51 AM (F56VB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 17, 2011 09:51 AM (i6RpT)
@22: "ALL...ALL of the worst episodes in human history happened over THERE."
Sclew you, lound-eye!
Posted by: Tojo, Mao, & Pol Pot at May 17, 2011 09:52 AM (xy9wk)
...create two states living side by side in peace and security.
Yet another of Obama's goals-without-a-plan.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 17, 2011 09:52 AM (gM4zK)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 17, 2011 09:52 AM (i6RpT)
Sclew you, lound-eye!
Posted by: Tojo, Mao, & Pol Pot at May 17, 2011 01:52 PM (xy9wk)
What does a brutal monster have to do to get some respect around here?
Posted by: Uncle Joe Stalin at May 17, 2011 09:53 AM (1fanL)
Posted by: Oldcat at May 17, 2011 09:53 AM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Eurofighter (no, it's not an oxymoron) at May 17, 2011 09:53 AM (Gzv/o)
YouÂ’ve heard it said that the winners write the history. Bullshit! These losers have been rewriting history for over 60 years.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 17, 2011 09:54 AM (jx2j9)
33 Euro-elites sure seem to prefer process over substance. OBL got 2 bullets to the head and dumped into the sea.
Two shots and a splash for that pond scum sounds like a great process, to me...
Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2011 09:54 AM (F56VB)
@22: "ALL...ALL of the worst episodes in human history happened over THERE."
Sclew you, lound-eye!
Except for Tojo, the other two were communists. Thanks again Europe.
Posted by: Ben at May 17, 2011 09:54 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Eurofighter (no, it's not an oxymoron) at May 17, 2011 01:53 PM (Gzv/o)
And they can keep their smug superiority right up until their Muslim underclass guts them like a pig.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 17, 2011 09:55 AM (z1N6a)
Europe seems to forget even its own modern history with terrorists. What, exactly, opportunities to surrender were given at Loughgall, Gibraltar, Beslan, the NordOst theater contratemps, GSG-9 at Mogadishu, the Iran Embassy affair in London, etc.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 17, 2011 10:01 AM (xy9wk)
And feeds them their own guts, which will probably produce this last statement: "Mon Dieu, my liv-arr, it izz so tasty! (Coughs wetly) And my sweetbreads! (Cough) Ziss would be so good with a nice Pouilly-Fuisse! If only it would not run right out of my gaping belly! Arrrrrrgggghhhhhh*!"
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at May 17, 2011 10:03 AM (2PTT7)
This is the point that I can't seem to get across to my kin. They so desperately want this operation to have been an out-an-out "hit" culminating with Usama screaming for mercy at Miller's Crossing -- and they support that!
It never needed to be; a legal military operation still ends with Usama dead.
Even though he had a couple pathways to capture instead of death, it was never likely that he would end up on those paths.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 17, 2011 10:04 AM (bjRNS)
Posted by: Roadking at May 17, 2011 10:05 AM (u7MDB)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 17, 2011 10:08 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Janet Reno gone thuggin' at May 17, 2011 10:09 AM (xy9wk)
Bin Laden was as legitimate as targets get. Anyone who thinks otherwise can let me know who they are and where they live so I can put a McDonald's there.
(I'm an American. That's what we do.)
Posted by: FireHorse at May 17, 2011 10:16 AM (Rq1/g)
Posted by: joeindc44 at May 17, 2011 10:18 AM (QxSug)
Don't forget the industrialized genocide! Fuck Germany and all the other austrian-speaking losers - sideways with a rusty AK-47!
Posted by: model_1066 at May 17, 2011 10:21 AM (VnECg)
Posted by: Yo Mama at May 17, 2011 10:24 AM (wOaLi)
Awesome. It's what we should do with UBL's compound. There's a great spot for a drive-thru if you bulldoze it.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 17, 2011 10:24 AM (bjRNS)
Posted by: Knemon at May 17, 2011 10:25 AM (Da+uN)
"We be bad".
Posted by: awkward davies at May 17, 2011 10:28 AM (YCW1b)
Or it wasn't. The One did it to try to save his useless presidency. If he is re-elected, let some character repeat the deed and the O will have all kinds of reasons why he won't do it. For one thing, he'll be much too busy finishing off the American system of government, liberty and life.
Posted by: Lee at May 17, 2011 10:30 AM (BD1aO)
Obviously, the only proper way to kill Bin Laden was with a poisoned tea time. "I say, chap, are you feeling on the up and up?" Then his head explodes.
Problem solved. You're welcome, Eurpoe.
Posted by: William at May 17, 2011 10:36 AM (77TeU)
Posted by: maddogg at May 17, 2011 10:38 AM (OlN4e)
Self Righteous indignation brought to you by the same people who brought humanity such great contribution as World War 1, World War 2, The Holocaust, Facism, Communism, Socialism, Police States, the Welfare State, and hairy women.
Posted by: Ben
You had me until "hairy women"
Posted by: todler at May 17, 2011 10:39 AM (fPOY0)
What does a brutal monster have to do to get some respect around here?
Posted by: Uncle Joe Stalin
Amatures
Posted by: Ghengis Khan at May 17, 2011 10:39 AM (fPOY0)
Posted by: maddogg
My only concern with this is that it might give something for Obama to actually run to the right of.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 17, 2011 10:40 AM (Gzv/o)
Our soldiers are forced to fight to the death, because capture by these savages means certain death from torture, rape, beheading and post-mortem mutilation.
My give-a-shit-what-the-fucking-Eurotrash-think meter ain't exactly pegged.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 17, 2011 10:40 AM (7YzRS)
I agree OBL should have been taken alive, but only to 'torture' him.
BTW, you know how you know something isn't really torture?
When more journalists voluntarily undergo the procedure than actual cases of it being implemented in the field.
Posted by: Beagle at May 17, 2011 10:43 AM (sOtz/)
He should have armed himself.
I'm pretty sure that while a certain level of surprise was achived, it wasn't total and complete. Unless USL was killed in the opening minutes of the ensuing firefight, he had an opportunity to arm himself and fight back, or strap on a suicide vest and blow himself and his computers to Allah.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at May 17, 2011 10:49 AM (1hM1d)
A few days ago, we had a story about a wind farm killing endangered animals. Libs love wind and animals. What side to choose? Head explosion.
Today, libs love Obama like no other. Yet they are also quite enamored of Eurotrash. What side to choose? My bet is on Teh Won, but there's got to be some mental gymnastics going on.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2011 10:49 AM (OKZrE)
Killing the enemy is the ultimate consequence of war. I have yet to see AQ formally declare war, adhere to the rules of war, declare a "cease-fire" or show they actually belong to the human race.
So we will continue to kill them. Irrespective of border and without adhering to any so-called legal obligation the liberals Democrats and even Obama, have tried to handcuff us with.
Wars are ultimately won by attrition and ruthlessness, displaying to the enemy you are capable of, and will stop at nothing to defend your cause. Then and only then, can you make a lasting peace.
Posted by: Marcus at May 17, 2011 10:52 AM (CHrmZ)
"Back in LondonÂ…one more person started in on the Stars and Stripes. Eventually he got, as the Europeans always do, to the part about 'Your country's never been invaded.' (This fellow had been two during the Blitz, you see.) 'You don't know the horror, the suffering. You think that war isÂ…'
"I snapped.
"A John Wayne movie' I said. 'That's what you were going to say, isn't it? We think war is a John Wayne movie-with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You're right. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They're us. WE BE BAD.'
"We're the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We're three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother's side. You take your Germany, France and Spain, roll them all together and it won't give us room to park our cars. We're the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d'Antibes. And we've got an American Express credit card limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.'
"You say our country's never been invaded? You're right, little buddy. Because I'd like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who'd have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying 'Cheerio'. Hell can't hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer, and buy more things than you know the names of. I'd rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than the king, queen, and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little counties like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.'
"Of course, the guy should have punched me. But this was Europe. He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile."
-P.J. O'Rourke - Holidays in Hell - Page 203
Posted by: trainer at May 17, 2011 10:53 AM (Rojyk)
We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying 'Cheerio'. Hell can't hold our sock-hops.
We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer, and buy more things than you know the name of. I'd rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than King, Queen, and Jack of all you Europeans.
We eat little countries like your's for breakfast and spit them out before lunch."
Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at May 17, 2011 10:54 AM (zeR5Z)
Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at May 17, 2011 10:54 AM (zeR5Z)
Posted by: Barry at May 17, 2011 10:55 AM (Vtkx1)
We target the officers, not sporting you know.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 17, 2011 11:04 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Ghengis Khan at May 17, 2011 02:39 PM (fPOY0)"
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You just benefitted from a lot of free press
Posted by: Mzilikazi at May 17, 2011 11:04 AM (xy9wk)
"Fuck the middle east
there's too many problems
they just get in our way
we could sure do without 'em
They hijack our planes
and they raise our oil prices
So kill 'em all and have a ball,
and end their fucking crisis!"
Works for me....
smiley face for who can name the song/band
Posted by: model_1066 at May 17, 2011 11:09 AM (VnECg)
Posted by: John Bolton at May 17, 2011 11:10 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 17, 2011 11:14 AM (VnECg)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 17, 2011 03:13 PM (VnECg)
I'll then wash them with Borax when I'm through.
Posted by: John Bolton at May 17, 2011 11:14 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 17, 2011 11:19 AM (VnECg)
We give our enemy's soldiers certain rights in the hope that they will do the same for ours.
Which of our enemies have ever abided by this? I'm thinking we have to go back to WW I.
Posted by: Crimso at May 17, 2011 11:26 AM (jW3s9)
This is what the lefftards think was so wonderful.
Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary at May 17, 2011 11:42 AM (x/4B/)
We give our enemy's soldiers certain rights in the hope that they will do the same for ours.
That plan didn't work out well for the Wisconsin Republicans.
Posted by: Roy at May 17, 2011 11:42 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: BarbaraS at May 17, 2011 11:46 AM (41lQN)
We murder people who we decide need to die.
OBL could NOT be murdered. He put his life outside the protection of Law.
Posted by: Dave at May 17, 2011 11:52 AM (4KER5)
Posted by: Brendan at May 17, 2011 12:24 PM (saRwI)
Of course, the guy should have punched me. But this was Europe. He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile."
But you left off the last line-"(God, don't these people have dentists?)
Posted by: Bookdoc at May 17, 2011 12:48 PM (Opyrm)
Dear Eurotrash,
Bin Ladin was NOT assasinated! He was shot down like the rabid dog he was. He was not a head of state, he was the leader of a terrorist organization that has sworn to kill us. If you don't like that we acted to rid the world of this POS, then maybe we should just take our toys and come home. Let the Russians protect you. NATO can handle anything. Oh wait....
Posted by: Bill R. at May 17, 2011 01:41 PM (EhlQq)
"Blow me".
Barry could pick up another 2 points in the polls for the sake of those two words.
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