August 16, 2011

Beware the competent Technocrats [ArthurK]
— Open Blogger

Heard a few minutes of Richard Riordan on a local radio show (Prager?).

He was a 2 term mayor of LA. Republican and reasonably successful. I voted for him both times. I think he left LA a little better off than he found it.

He was chatting about the miserable performance of President Obama. He admitted that he had voted for Obama. He said (paraphrase), "I couldn't vote for a guy from the bottom of his class at the Annapolis over a guy from the top of his class at Harvard."

Please refer to this earlier post.

P58 - The technocrats go to Harvard and Yale. Palin's colleges are abhorrent! This is a new attitude. Truman didn't have a degree!

McCain's record of success after the academy didn't impress Riordan. I recall that McCain was not just a jet-jock - he commanded a large training squadron. The Navy doesn't hand out those assignments to dopes. McCain didn't just command the squadron - he was successful there. But he just didn't have the elite credentials to impress Riordan enough so Riordan helped put Obama in office.

Riordan is one of those special technocrats that worry me. The ones that talk conservative but, once in office, are perfectly happy to administer the socialist regime the left-wingers left him with. Many of them, like Riordan, are quite competent. But they try to make the existing structure work better - they never try to change it! Riordan might not have liked the LA employee pension system but I don't recall that he did much about it.

I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys. I don't think we can afford one of them in the White House in 2013 - we're too close to the edge. It'll take a lot for Romney to convince me that he has attitude to rip stuff out instead of tweaking things to make them work better.

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1 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:20 PM (xs+LA)

2 show us the transcripts

Posted by: garrett at August 16, 2011 03:20 PM (YY7TF)

3 Uh, yeah .. who says Barry was at the top of his class?

Posted by: Chuckit at August 16, 2011 03:21 PM (EJd9Y)

4 Michell Bachmann really is a flake.  Did you just hear about her starting a rally claiming today was Elvis' birthday?  What a fucking idiot.  Sorry, its the truth.

Something IS not right with her.  Better this happen now, then in october '12

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 03:22 PM (eXQfZ)

5 It'll take a lot for Romney to convince me that he has attitude to rip stuff out instead of tweaking things to make them work better.

Exactly.

Posted by: dogfish calling out Ace at August 16, 2011 03:22 PM (N2yhW)

6 3 Yeah,guess he just "assumed".What a fucking douche.Krauthammer too,they think this fucker is so smart.I don't see it.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:23 PM (xs+LA)

7 Obama must be the Messiah. I declare him the "Prince of Peas".

Posted by: LGoPs at August 16, 2011 03:23 PM (lHn6+)

8 It's interesting that the visceral hatred of anything military is so pervasive.

If I had the choice: USNA or Harvard? I would take Annapolis in a heartbeat. It is a better school! But then, I am biased. I would choose a school at which there were a few patriots.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 16, 2011 03:23 PM (LH6ir)

9 Uh, yeah .. who says Barry was at the top of his class?

We had this discussion about a year or so ago. Apparently, the honors Obama received when he graduated from Harvard were conferred on something like 50+% of his graduating class that year.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 03:24 PM (bjRNS)

10 Imagine World Peas.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 16, 2011 03:25 PM (lHn6+)

11 Riordan says he was at the top of his class. It's what all the elite believe and it doesn't matter one whit if it is true. And Obama is modest - let's face it, he is more modest than anyone in the world, just ask him - that's why he keeps his transcripts secret because he doesn't want to show anybody up.

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 03:25 PM (Fw2Gg)

12

Again, ObamaCare will need to be thrown out completely. If it's not, the United States will have something that is always being analyzed, tweaked, adjusted, corrected, studied some more and tweaked again. The Democrats didn't achieve their greatest wet dream to have it ripped away. Conservatives will have to scrap it...

Or wait until the system collapses. When is that again at the present rate?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 16, 2011 03:25 PM (GKQDR)

13 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.
Bachmann is an idiot.

Posted by: General Howard O. Consensus at August 16, 2011 03:26 PM (lpWVn)

14 CBD sorry on the Navy thing but Jimmy Carter. Ross Perot. Jim Webb. McCain. USMA 88

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 03:27 PM (Fw2Gg)

15

I voted for Obama pretty much for the same reasons that Mayor Riordan voted for Obama. 

In good conscience I couldn't vote for a guy who risked his life as a Navy officer and spent the better part of a decade getting tortured in a prison cell and then spent 30 years in Congress over a guy who finished No. 1 at Harvard or something and then, you know, would be the first black president who could unite the country and make the rest of the world like us again and make magic unicorns deliver free money and candy to everyone.

Posted by: Half Senile Rube with a Guilt Complex at August 16, 2011 03:27 PM (f8XyF)

16

Look, peasant, you need to get this through your skull: WE. ARE. MUCH. MUCH. SMARTER. THAN. YOU.  Socialism is the future.  We control everything, and we will give you that which you earn from us.  Nothing more.

Shut up, pay your taxes, and let the smart people run things.  Don't much feel like it? Well, there's a SWAT team in your future, then.

This subject is now closed.

Posted by: Your Betters in both parties at August 16, 2011 03:28 PM (xy9wk)

17 The solution to all of this horse shit is to FORCE the federal government to live by the Constitution as it is written.

The you don't have to worry about whether they are technocrats or not.

Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2011 03:28 PM (M9Ie6)

18 The fact that he went to Harvard Law School is evidence supportive of the thesis that he is unintelligent.

But, of course, Riordan also went to law school.

Wussmanities, social promotion "sciences",...there is this thing called "math" people.  Remember?  You flunked it in high school.

Here's the deal, if you can type it in Microsoft Word without using the equation editor, it's trivial.  If even the equation editor is too much trouble, then it's a serious subject.

I'm sick and tired of being told that smart people are the ones who think classes that involve "discussions" are serious.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 16, 2011 03:28 PM (T0NGe)

19 The next time BHO compares himself to Lincoln, will somebody please remind him that Abe was a Republican? 

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 16, 2011 03:28 PM (1+CnU)

20 4 FUCK YOU MIDGET!!!(not really,no offense meant,just wanted to say that)

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:29 PM (xs+LA)

21

A while back and late one night we realized on this blog togethter that the hatred of the military (or, at a minimum the disrespect and disgust for) started sometime during the Korean war. Notice that was the first time we were fighting communists. The disparagement of the military is one of the things the communists do to weaken us.

So, when these techocrats absorb that lefty (communist) bent for elitist anti-military snobbery they are doing exactly what their overlords want.

Posted by: dagny at August 16, 2011 03:29 PM (nBOrb)

22 > 12 Or wait until the system collapses. When is that again at the present rate? With Obama reelected? It depends on whether that's a surprise or not. If it seems obvious in the summer of 2012 that Obama will win, people will Go Galt sooner. Collapse starting around the 2014-15 timeframe because an Obama reelection will be seen (possibly rightly) as a mandate to do Obamastuff. Even if the House blocks things he'll go CRAZY with executive orders and appointments.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 16, 2011 03:30 PM (fjpxd)

23

@15: Well said!

 

 

Posted by: George Custer & George Pickett at August 16, 2011 03:31 PM (xy9wk)

24

Obama was at the top of his class at Harvard.

Even if that were true (and it's not), it should be noted that cream isn't the only thing that rises to the top.

Posted by: OCBill at August 16, 2011 03:31 PM (YJvVE)

25 since you like to brag and show off so much, why don't you actually show us some of that fancy math you're always droning on about...

Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at August 16, 2011 03:33 PM (kBWjM)

26 I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys.

Romney would be better than King Barry.  That's all you can say for him.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at August 16, 2011 03:33 PM (QKKT0)

27 How dare you question Romney!  He's the only one running who's electable.  So what if he governs like a Democrat, he'll have that 'R' next to his name and that is all that matters.

Posted by: cranky-d at August 16, 2011 03:34 PM (iIOIO)

28 Actually, wasn't Obama demonstrably not at the top of his class at Harvard?  I forget which cum laude he got, but it wasn't the top one.

He got the second-highest one which is not all that elite (top third?).

This assumes, of course, that he didn't get a lot of freebie A's in Y2 and Y3.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 16, 2011 03:34 PM (T0NGe)

29 Any conservative or Republican (they are not necessarily synonymous) who voted for Obama should be ignored completely.  Period.  No mea culpa.  No "I saw the light".  Nothing.  If you were that big an utter idiot and easily-mesmerized fool, nah, tough.  Move on in life and taste the regret of stupidity.  If someone (me) who some people here think is a liberal troll saw right through Obama from the get-go, but the aforementioned didn't, nah, sorry.  Ask your diety for forgiveness.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 16, 2011 03:35 PM (dZ756)

30

I think Perry could ruin it for our chances too.

I think the dream ticket is Ryan/Rubio.  Sure, we can wait- but why?

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2011 03:35 PM (0fzsA)

31 From the thread below (hold on to your butts):

CNN reporting that Barky says he's "going to go easy on Perry since he just entered the race."

*seething rage*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 03:36 PM (UOM48)

32 Apparently, the honors Obama received when he graduated from Harvard were conferred on something like 50+% of his graduating class that year.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 07:24 PM (bjRNS)

Harvard is Lake Wobegon writ large.  Every child is above average.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at August 16, 2011 03:36 PM (QKKT0)

33 Freaking Tea Party should really set their teeth on edge.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 16, 2011 03:36 PM (jx2j9)

34 CNN reporting that Barky says he's "going to go easy on Perry since he just entered the race."

Custer was going to go easy on the Indians too.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at August 16, 2011 03:37 PM (QKKT0)

35 Romney would be better than King Barry.  That's all you can say for him.

That's all you need to say. Also he's not a knuckledragging Texan. So vote Romney and don't scare the independents!

Posted by: BeffJ. at August 16, 2011 03:37 PM (sOXQX)

36

Imagine World Peas.

 

I got a prize for that!

Posted by: Moral Imaginer in Chief at August 16, 2011 03:38 PM (YY7TF)

37 29 Yeah,Like Chris Buckley with his "rare avis" shit.Go suck on your rare bird Chrissy,you and Brooks can have one ball each while Frum gets the rod.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:38 PM (xs+LA)

38
and here's that pattern I was talking about

Attack
Retreat
Call for unity
Smear
Retreat
Attack...

Posted by: soothsayer at August 16, 2011 03:38 PM (ER901)

39 Seriously, as much as I don't want Mitt - I think in many cases he'd actually listen to and side with the American People.

Even Clinton was clever enough to change sides when necessary and do the right thing.

Captain Wonderful just doubles down on dumb.

We need somebody who'll take things by the horns and do the ugly, but as I've said before, I'd vote for a fucking goldfish in a heartbeat over Barky Oclusterfuck.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 16, 2011 03:38 PM (p+mzQ)

40 The elite here are, or at least are trying to become, the offspring of the jackasses that led to the French revolution.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 16, 2011 03:38 PM (jx2j9)

41 Ya lost me dude. 

What does this have to do with my affirmative action pass?

It's still good right?

Posted by: Barry at August 16, 2011 03:40 PM (9pSqS)

42 25 since you like to brag and show off so much, why don't you actually show us some of that fancy math you're always droning on about...

Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at August 16, 2011 07:33 PM (kBWjM)

Actually, my point is that I'm a third-rate mathematician, but the least of us is better than the greatest of them. And even if I were a great mathematician, an elite, a true once-in-a-generation genius, I'm not smarter than the market. Nobody is. It's the information problem. You can't just throw great minds at a problem and expect to solve it. Most often, you'll just make it worse.

On top of that, the minds you are likely to get aren't great, but are stuttering clusterfucks of miserable failures.

I really can't solve any problems here on a text blog. It's hard enough to put an epsilon in here.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 16, 2011 03:40 PM (T0NGe)

43 Seriously, as much as I don't want Mitt - I think in many cases he'd actually listen to and side with the American People.

And that's the problem.  Presidency by opinion poll isn't going to solve difficult problems like runaway entitlement spending.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 16, 2011 03:42 PM (SY2Kh)

44 My fear about Romney is that he forgot how to be a businessman and instead learned to be a modern American politician, with all of the negative connotations that accrue to that infection.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 16, 2011 03:42 PM (jx2j9)

45

 

I think you can quit worrying about Romney being president.

 

Just sayin.

Posted by: Dave at August 16, 2011 03:42 PM (HPcQF)

46 4 Michell Bachmann really is a flake.  Did you just hear about her starting a rally claiming today was Elvis' birthday?  What a fucking idiot.  Sorry, its the truth.

Something IS not right with her.  Better this happen now, then in october '12

10-4 that, but I'd do her.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 16, 2011 03:42 PM (9pSqS)

47 43 True dat.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:43 PM (xs+LA)

48 Ahem. Trying to get this right.





Fuck Richard Riordan.




Yes! Nailed it!

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 03:43 PM (ECjvn)

49 Correct, Riordan was a Clinton supporter too. The issue with businessman is that they take the path of least resistance and tend to look for little wins. It's just a lower risk, operational way of doing things. I sense that Romney would follow the same approach.

Posted by: standfast24 at August 16, 2011 03:44 PM (s4wkw)

50 # 18 blaster All right! USMA 1983

Posted by: Joe at August 16, 2011 03:44 PM (hp2jB)

51

I think Perry could ruin it for our chances too.

I think the dream ticket is Ryan/Rubio.  Sure, we can wait- but why?

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2011 07:35 PM (0fzsA)

 

Yeah, just heard that Ryan is exploring it. This is moving way too fast.

Posted by: ErikW at August 16, 2011 03:45 PM (RIEcm)

52 We need somebody who'll take things by the horns and do the ugly, but as I've said before, I'd vote for a fucking goldfish in a heartbeat over Barky Oclusterfuck.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 16, 2011 07:38 PM (p+mzQ)

I have a kitteh named Spanky you can vote for.  She's clean, meows articulately, and has no trace of any sort of dialect.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 03:45 PM (UOM48)

53 Right O then bugger off Romney!

Posted by: sonnyspats channeling his English mother at August 16, 2011 03:45 PM (I/MzF)

54

When did the ring kocker convention start here?

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 03:45 PM (HUZDZ)

55 Yes,I'm very worried about the debt and don't want higher taxes,not on ME anyway.I also want to collect all the sweet SS money coming to me,3 months of unemployment if I lose my job,healthcare if I can't afford it,good schools,all my kids to go to college,a nice house that wont be foreclosed on igf I have trouble paying the mortgage.Other than that, I'm for smaller government.

Posted by: Da Public at August 16, 2011 03:46 PM (xs+LA)

56

@18: "there is this thing called "math" people.  Remember?  You flunked it in high school."

Yeah, and all the people who really excelled in it?  They came up with shit like mortgage-backed securities and credit-default swaps and, you know, totally destroyed the world economy.  They flunked reality.

Who could forget math whiz Bob McNamara's brilliant handling of the whole Vietnam thing?  Or the MENSA candidates who sorta failed to consider that freezing temperatures might just might, mind you, make rubber O-rings a little less effective than normal.  Tell them Zombie Christa McAuliffe says hi.  How about the ones who put the wrong lens into the Hubble telescope?  The guys who forgot that there was a difference between metric and standard measurements and thereby converted a Mars lander into a Mars lawn dart?

Posted by: Us lowly folks who aren't mathematicians at August 16, 2011 03:46 PM (xy9wk)

57 Gray Davis absolutely rammed "LA Loser" up Riordan's ass during the California governor primaries. Fuck him.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at August 16, 2011 03:47 PM (j84s0)

58

I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys. I don't think we can afford one of them in the White House in 2013 - we're too close to the edge. It'll take a lot for Romney to convince me that he has attitude to rip stuff out instead of tweaking things to make them work better.

Romney's "Waivers for everybody!" plan just screams this to me.  Even with his claim of how he will repeal Obamacare I don't buy it, because his first statement is about the waivers always.  Because once the waivers are issued it will allow him and others time to say how Obamacare isn't all that bad and they just need to make a few alterations to it in order for it to function well.

I want a candidate to say "I want Congress to have a bill on my desk on Day 1 that is for the repeal of Obamacare and I will veto everything else until that is there."

Posted by: buzzion at August 16, 2011 03:47 PM (GULKT)

59 Speaking of the difficulty in getting math into text documents reminded me of some of the old days.

On write-ups I used to do I occasionally had to do some calculations and imbed them in a document. I found it was much easier to use Math-Cad to do the calc and then paste it in a graphic block.

The Math stuff in Word Perfect and MS Word has always been shit.

Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2011 03:47 PM (M9Ie6)

60 I will vote enthusiastically for Romney if he wins the nomination and I will hold in contempt those who vote for Shitforbrains with the same enthusiasm.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 16, 2011 03:48 PM (jx2j9)

61 All things being equal, having gotten good grades in college is probably desireable, but not by much. 

We're talking about people 50+ years old- we should be a hell of a lot more concerned about what they've done in the past 10 years rather than what they spent 4-6 years doing 30+ fucking years ago.

Everybody who went to college knew at least one complete imbecile who got good grades.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 16, 2011 03:48 PM (SY2Kh)

62

I want Perry to do a massive verbal takedown of the socialist fuck Obama after that patronizing "I'll go easy on him" remark.

 

Fuck you Obama.

Posted by: Dave at August 16, 2011 03:49 PM (HPcQF)

63
Romney is just Pawlenty with shoe lifts and better hair mousse.

Posted by: Giggling Powerline at August 16, 2011 03:49 PM (gppu7)

64 >> I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys. He is. So is Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Andy at August 16, 2011 03:49 PM (veZ9n)

65

Question: What do you call someone who finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy?

Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 03:49 PM (gTGz3)

66 I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys.

I'm terrified that Perry is one of those guys.  Aggie or not.  Yes, I know I am in the minority here.  I just get the slick willie feeling about him right now.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 16, 2011 03:49 PM (4nfy2)

67 Harvard should be banned from the executive branch for at least a decade.

If one looks at this administration it's got ivy growing out of every bodily orifice. 

It's disgusting, and I'd like to think this country would outgrow the need to kowtow to supposed intellectual superiority.

Posted by: JEM at August 16, 2011 03:49 PM (o+SC1)

68 Romney is McCain with better hair and no jowls. 

Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2011 03:50 PM (M9Ie6)

69 65

Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 07:49 PM (gTGz3)


Bob?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 03:50 PM (UOM48)

70 61 Of course.Obama did nothing but cruise through life as an entitled minority.

Posted by: Da Public at August 16, 2011 03:51 PM (xs+LA)

71 > 58 I want a candidate to say "I want Congress to have a bill on my desk on Day 1 that is for the repeal of Obamacare and I will veto everything else until that is there." Posted by: buzzion RINO. I want a candidate to say "I want to Congress to have a repeal bill waiting for me that I can sign while delivering my speech after taking the Oath of Office."

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 16, 2011 03:51 PM (fjpxd)

72 Sock fail.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:51 PM (xs+LA)

73

All things being equal, having gotten good grades in college is probably desireable, but not by much.

Nope. Since that's the left's standard for success, I want to hold them to it in this case.

Show me the fucking grades Barky.

(However, I agree with you completely)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 03:51 PM (HUZDZ)

74 heh I just went over to Malkins site and tried to put them some knowlege about the difference between a government employees union and a private trade union on the Verizon thread. I got swarmed like Honey Badger making off with a hive full of honey .

Posted by: sonnyspats at August 16, 2011 03:52 PM (I/MzF)

75 Romney was able to fix the clusterfuck of the Salt Lake Winter Olympics. He cut the shit out of unneeded expenses and got that shit right.

Posted by: Al Gore Lives In Ricks Head Rent Free at August 16, 2011 03:52 PM (EL+OC)

76 65

Question: What do you call someone who finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy?

 

Sir

 

Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 07:49 PM (gTGz3)

Dumbfuck

Posted by: buzzion at August 16, 2011 03:53 PM (GULKT)

77 Of course.Obama did nothing but cruise through life as an entitled minority.

Posted by: Da Public at August 16, 2011 07:51 PM (xs+LA)

He accomplished that much?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 16, 2011 03:53 PM (jx2j9)

78
Romney. There is no there, there.

Posted by: Oakland Ahole at August 16, 2011 03:53 PM (gppu7)

79 > 66 I'm terrified that Perry is one of those guys. Aggie or not. Yes, I know I am in the minority here. I just get the slick willie feeling about him right now. Posted by: Guy Fawkes Oh, I have no doubt that Perry is a slick, scheming politician. I just think he's slick enough to want to get re-elected and, therefore, do what he promises.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 16, 2011 03:53 PM (fjpxd)

80 "Tell them Zombie Christa McAuliffe says hi."

Sort of hard for a scattering of molecules in the upper atmosphere to go zombie.   

Posted by: The Dungeon Master at August 16, 2011 03:54 PM (9CM5J)

81

I want a candidate to say "I want to Congress to have a repeal bill waiting for me that I can sign while delivering my speech after taking the Oath of Office."

Didn't we have that, except for Gitmo?

Really, I'm glad he didn't shut that down. I guess a SCOAMF is a good thing sometimes.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 03:54 PM (gTGz3)

82

@21: "Notice that was the first time we were fighting communists."

Uh, US soldiers fought in Russia against the Communists during the Russian Revolution.  It was called the Polar Bear Expedition.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 16, 2011 03:54 PM (xy9wk)

83 ArthurK - I share your fear about Romney.  To some extent, this fear can be assigned to any of the top candidates, but I think Romney is the most likely one to succumb to politics as usual in D.C.

I'm hoping Perry's jump into the fray will get us some more detailed plans by the candidates.  If Romney was the savior of the Salt Lake City Olympics, let's see a plan - detailed.  If Perry is the architect of Texas's jobs creation "miracle", let's see a nationwide plan from him as well.  I'm having some arguments with libtards on lefty blogs that Obama is blowing smoke up their asses about having a plan for job creation (if he does, I bet it looks like an FDR make work plan!).  He's never showed a detailed plan for anything yet, so let's push him on that.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 16, 2011 03:54 PM (UTq/I)

84 77 Yes,until he became President and was exposed as a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.A narcissistic petulant child.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:54 PM (xs+LA)

85

I think Perry could ruin it for our chances too.

I think the dream ticket is Ryan/Rubio. Sure, we can wait- but why?

Trick question- name the last President who was elected out of the House of Representatives in the last 120 years.

I like Ryan a lot, but he's too young, too inexperienced, only a House rep, and would have to spend a lot of time defending the Ryan Plan to independents. He has a lot of potential, but he's not ready to beat an incumbent yet.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 16, 2011 03:55 PM (SY2Kh)

86 Stupid New Comments Thingy- was replying to #30

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 16, 2011 03:55 PM (SY2Kh)

87 Harvard The Ivy League should be banned from the executive branch for at least a decade.

FIFY

Posted by: Methos at August 16, 2011 03:55 PM (sOXQX)

88 11 >>Imagine World Peas.
Posted by: LGoPs at August 16, 2011 07:25 PM (lHn6+)

 Ya got that, but as long as it ain't all at the same time we're good

Posted by: ontherocks at August 16, 2011 03:56 PM (HBqDo)

89 This is worrisome: In final Wisconsin recall, signs of a national tea party backlash? http://tinyurl.com/3txul5l Small-minded people from community colleges tend toward extremism. In uncertain times, the steady hand of a moderate Ivy League is the right prescription.

Posted by: Greg at August 16, 2011 03:56 PM (geVJ9)

90

Question: What do you call someone who finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy?

 

Sir.  And what are you doing out on deck?  Get your ass back in the J.O. Jungle.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 16, 2011 03:56 PM (9CM5J)

91 83 Actually they were protecting depots of US war supplies from either side during the revolution.The Brits wanted to crush communism in it's cradle but we weren't on board.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:56 PM (xs+LA)

92

@86

 

Arguably one of the most successful politicians in the entire country over the last couple of decades, and you think Perry could ruin our chances?

 

Funny stuff right there.

Posted by: Dave at August 16, 2011 03:56 PM (HPcQF)

93

Question: What do you call someone who finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy?

Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?


Sir and Ma'am? I'm not really sure about that second one.

Posted by: Methos at August 16, 2011 03:57 PM (sOXQX)

94 Damn,got a stomach ached.BRB gotta take a mean mohammed.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2011 03:57 PM (xs+LA)

95 Sort of hard for a scattering of molecules in the upper atmosphere to go zombie.  

I refer you to the Eberron Campaign Guide, and the "Living Spell" entry.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 03:57 PM (bjRNS)

96

Mitt is an administrator, not a leader. Should a good Tea Party President ever take office, Mitt would make a swell Treasury Secretary in such an administration. But leadership? Not seeing it.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2011 03:57 PM (w7K7d)

97 @91 Heh.  Nice sock.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 16, 2011 03:57 PM (9CM5J)

98
43
And that's the problem.  Presidency by opinion poll isn't going to solve difficult problems like runaway entitlement spending.

And that's why we have to work like fuck to get a bad-ass motherfucker in who's going to do the right thing.

The media is going to try to give us Mitt or even worse and (my prediction) Ronulan (he's such a common sense guy!), we can't let another McLame happen again. But, if that's what happens I still vote the SOB in office and then hold his greasy feet to the fire.

I already live in CA, and I'm tired of this stick up my ass.

And Jane D'oh, no offense but I'm not a cat person!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 16, 2011 03:58 PM (p+mzQ)

99 94 It's Sir and Jackass

Posted by: General Howard O. Consensus at August 16, 2011 03:58 PM (lpWVn)

100 All the other Republican candidates are dishonest, flip-flopping, dyed-in-the-wool big-government technocrats. Only RAWN PAWL!!!!1!! will guarantee individual Americans Freedom and Liberty by eliminate military meddling in foreign affairs and stopping the totalitarian persecution of peaceful drug users. Every new establishment candidate who declares only increases the probability that DAWCTOR PAWL!!1! will win the nomination and lead this great nation into a new era of isolationist peace and heroin-addled prosperity!

Posted by: The Guy Who Brings Up RAWN PAWL!!!1! at August 16, 2011 03:59 PM (oskbt)

101 Yeah Riordan was a good mayor.  I remember his family ran a restaurant chain and was seen as a conservative here in LA.

He pretty much saved LA from economic collapse IIRC, but was treated badly by the media and liberal douchebags called him a fascist.

But now he's a douchebag.  Nice.  How somebody like him, a businessman and somebody you know understands that Obama is fucking up the economy could be saying shit like that.. well, the cult of personality is strong with the stuttering clusterfuck

It also goes to show that the elites just want to be elites.  Doesn't matter how bad things get for everyone else, he'll always be elite.

Beware of professional republicans.  Bush was one, Mccain and his traitor advisor Nicole Wallace he put in charge of Palin definitely is.. How she could ever get a job again is a question to ponder.  If she shows up on a campaign (has she?), THAT person should be exposed.  Hannity loves her.  That makes me think Hannity is a professional repuke.  I worry Romney is one too.

Nice post

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 03:59 PM (eXQfZ)

102

I'm not really sure about that second one.

All you really know (and I'm making a kind assumption here) is that he's good in school.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 03:59 PM (gTGz3)

103
Q: What do you call someone expelled from Harvard?

A: Senator Kennedy

Posted by: Gasping for air at August 16, 2011 04:00 PM (gppu7)

104 Every day seems to be better news that no matter who it is, OdipO is going down.

I mean, Dept. of Jobs, really?  That'll go over like a lead balloon with the indies.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 16, 2011 04:00 PM (4nfy2)

Posted by: Johnny at August 16, 2011 04:01 PM (nRTou)

106 Wait, what? Obama was the top of his class? I never heard that, is it true??

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:01 PM (LD21B)

107       @ Guy Fawkes : I'm terrified that Perry is one of those guys.  Aggie or
       not.  Yes, I know I am in the minority here.  I just get the slick willie
       feeling about him right now.

You should be.
He's a politician through and through.
But, if we vote for a politician we have to get the one that will do the largest percent of what we hope for. Guaranteed he's going to do slimy, greasy things.

It's only if he thinks he can get away with it.


Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 16, 2011 04:01 PM (p+mzQ)

108

@81: "Sort of hard for a scattering of molecules in the upper atmosphere to go zombie."

The crew compartment survived the explosion intact.  They were very likely alive - albeit possibly unconscious - until they hit the water.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 16, 2011 04:02 PM (xy9wk)

109

The Ivy League is great for producing deep thinkers, and those magnificent minds belong in government pushing a broom, and only in government pushing a broom..

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 04:02 PM (HUZDZ)

110 109 wins this thread and the next thread.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 04:02 PM (gTGz3)

111 Wait, what? Obama was the top of his class? I never heard that, is it true??

I presume this is sarcasm.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 04:02 PM (bjRNS)

112

@21: "Notice that was the first time we were fighting communists."

Uh, US soldiers fought in Russia against the Communists during the Russian Revolution.  It was called the Polar Bear Expedition.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 16, 2011 07:54 PM (xy9wk)

Yeah I know. I was going to put some words in that showed that I knew about that and I knew that there were minor events where we were fighting communists, rather I mean that we started deparaging the military when we started fighting communism.

Different point entirely.

Posted by: dagny at August 16, 2011 04:03 PM (nBOrb)

113 Riordan is also the man who recommended the person to head Los Angeles dept of water and power. The man was a complete failure and raised the rates much to the annoyance of dwp customers. To say they were pissed is an understatement.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT, O is SCFOAMF at August 16, 2011 04:03 PM (2rBjm)

114 I want a candidate to say "I want to Congress to have a repeal bill waiting for me that I can sign while delivering my speech after taking the Oath of Office."
Posted by: Comrade Arthur

Meh, ok for a Commie RINO.

The next candidate needs to demand that Congress have the bill to repeal printed in water-reactive paper and pasted to the Oval Office's urinal for his signature 3 seconds after the results are in.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 16, 2011 04:04 PM (DEcmU)

115 Amish Man, I agree with you.
Law and Humanities is where the suburban white kids land, the ones whose people always told them how fucking intelligent they were.
The universities understand they are inferior degrees, or they wouldn't have changed all the names to include 'Science' at the end.
Makes them feel more intelligent.
brb , getting a Masters in Mesothelioma Studies.

Posted by: Draco the Athenian at August 16, 2011 04:04 PM (le5qc)

116 17 The solution to all of this horse shit is to FORCE the federal government to live by the Constitution as it is written.

The you don't have to worry about whether they are technocrats or not.

Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2011 07:28 PM (M9Ie6)

But to force it, you need the right people in it. People who adhere to the Constitution.

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:05 PM (LD21B)

117 I'd vote for the mouse that lives in Bancroft Hall ( student residence at Annapolis) before I'd vote for Obama.

Posted by: nevergiveup at August 16, 2011 04:05 PM (i6RpT)

118 I wish we were ruled by Technophiles.  They'd waste money but we'd have robot policemen.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 16, 2011 04:06 PM (uhAkr)

119 Guys I hate to break it to you but there is not one candidate in this race who could rip anything out if elected. Not Romney. Not Bachmann. Not Perry. Not Paul. None of them. Remember the Ryan Plan was way too extreme and it only got 40% of the way there. That's the outer boundary. Best we can hope for is some minor restraint of the big bad beast. There will be no dramatic changes. We don't have the stomach for it. See those DOOM posts up each weekday? You think it's all made up?

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 04:08 PM (Fw2Gg)

120

I think Perry could ruin it for our chances too.

I think the dream ticket is Ryan/Rubio.  Sure, we can wait- but why?

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2011 07:35 PM (0fzsA)

Explain?

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:08 PM (LD21B)

121

"Michell Bachmann really is a flake. Did you just hear about her starting a rally claiming today was Elvis' birthday? What a fucking idiot. Sorry, its the truth.

Something IS not right with her. Better this happen now, then in october '12"

Uh, today was Elvis' *death* day.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2011 04:08 PM (w7K7d)

122 It's gonna be Perry vs. Obama in the election.  C'mon.. we all know it.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 16, 2011 04:09 PM (Z71Vg)

123 The next candidate needs to demand that Congress have the bill to repeal printed in water-reactive paper and pasted to the Oval Office's urinal for his signature 3 seconds after the results are in.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 16, 2011 08:04 PM (DEcmU)

Pfft, double secret probation commie RINO.

The next candidate needs to have a bill to repeal 75% of the laws ever passed in alphabetical order and cross-referenced by liberty theft.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 16, 2011 04:09 PM (4nfy2)

124 Rule of Thumb- If your grad school class isn't 50% foreign Asians, repeat after me-

My I supersize that order?

Posted by: Draco the Athenian at August 16, 2011 04:09 PM (le5qc)

125

Best we can hope for is some minor restraint of the big bad beast. There will be no dramatic changes. We don't have the stomach for it.

We have the stomach for it.

DC lobbyists do not.

You're right, this is a multi-headed beast.  I'm living inside of it right now it won't die easily.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 04:09 PM (HUZDZ)

126 #126: OK then, shall we just pass the cyanide laced Kool-Aid around?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2011 04:10 PM (w7K7d)

127 Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?

Mr. President?

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 16, 2011 04:10 PM (qITqt)

128 Best we can hope for is some minor restraint of the big bad beast. There will be no dramatic changes. We don't have the stomach for it.

You'll be amazed at what people agree to after I give them a very direct prostate massage.

Posted by: Mathematics at August 16, 2011 04:10 PM (uhAkr)

129 Or is the the bottom of the class? I forget.

Cut and paste mistake, guys. Sorry.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 16, 2011 04:10 PM (qITqt)

130 134 Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?

Mr. President?

Barky finished top of his class?  Prove it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 04:11 PM (UOM48)

131

I worked in the 2002 Olympics. I know how Romney came in and cleaned it up. He didn't make any compromises, he cleaned house, and left the Olympics in the black for the first time ever for an Olympics.

Romney is a good man! I'm sick of all the code words that are used to put him down.   Isn't it terrible that he is an intelligent business man who knows how to turn companies around and I know he would do it with the economy. He's been a success and we need people who are, not the idiot in the white house who has never run anything, except our economy into the ground!

 

 

Posted by: Goldi at August 16, 2011 04:11 PM (rsOPT)

132

I think he left LA a little better off than he found it.

How? By painting it red and putting a sign at the entrance that reads "HELL"?

 

Posted by: Stranger at August 16, 2011 04:11 PM (o3ppL)

133 I have heard the joke, what do you call the guy who graduated bottom of his law class...

"Your honor."

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 16, 2011 04:11 PM (qITqt)

134 Jane: I know, I cut and pasted without proofreading, my mistake. I didn't mean to inadvertently troll.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 16, 2011 04:12 PM (qITqt)

135

Isn't it terrible that he is an intelligent business man who knows how to turn companies around and I know he would do it with the economy

OK, then he can run the Department of Commerce in a President Ryan administration.

That's about as far as I am willing to go.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 04:13 PM (HUZDZ)

136 Chevrolet Volt, 125 sales in July, with interest in the Volt dropping as fast as Paris Hilton's panties. She wears panties?

Posted by: nevergiveup at August 16, 2011 04:13 PM (i6RpT)

137 #138: I did give Romney credit for being an excellent administrator. I just doubt he has the fortitude to take a lot of the bureaucracy down.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2011 04:13 PM (w7K7d)

138 134 Bonus question: What do you call someone who finished at the top of his class at Harvard?

Mr. President?
How do you know?  Have you seen any of his grades? Any of his papers?  Anything?  Nope didn't think so!

Posted by: Goldi at August 16, 2011 04:13 PM (rsOPT)

139 The Math stuff in Word Perfect and MS Word has always been shit.

Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2011 07:47 PM (M9Ie6)

Dunno, never had a problem with the math stuff in word 2007.

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:13 PM (LD21B)

140 I worked in the 2002 Olympics. I know how Romney came in and cleaned it up. He didn't make any compromises, he cleaned house, and left the Olympics in the black for the first time ever for an Olympics.

It's the fuckin Olympics.

Ten days of Spandex and wheat-germ-suckers every four years sandwiched between two parades.

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 04:13 PM (ECjvn)

141

"Isn't it terrible that he is an intelligent business man who knows how to turn companies around and I know he would do it with the economy

OK, then he can run the Department of Commerce in a President Ryan administration.

That's about as far as I am willing to go."

Pfft, RINO. Make him Treasury Secretary. Commerce needs to be closed down, or merged with Labor and Agriculture.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2011 04:14 PM (w7K7d)

142 She wears panties?

Not when I hit it.

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 04:14 PM (ECjvn)

143 109 wins this thread and the next thread.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 16, 2011 08:02 PM (gTGz3)

Make it fit my bumper and I'll agree.

Posted by: ErikW at August 16, 2011 04:15 PM (RIEcm)

144 Ahhh....Dick "the Pooter" Harpootlian is ripping into Perry on Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 04:15 PM (UOM48)

145 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure. But at least he doesn't have a Southern drawl. Quel horreur!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2011 04:16 PM (lGFXF)

146 Make it fit my bumper and I'll agree.

Bumper?

That bitch is going in my truck's back window. Art.

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 04:16 PM (ECjvn)

147

Pfft, RINO. Make him Treasury Secretary. Commerce needs to be closed down, or merged with Labor and Agriculture.

Sold.

Although I'd rather just see Commerce, Labor and Ag closed down outright.

I'm pretty sure Monsanto doesn't need any more Ag welfare.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 04:17 PM (HUZDZ)

148 It's the fuckin Olympics.

Ten days of Spandex and wheat-germ-suckers every four years sandwiched between two parades.

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 08:13 PM (ECjvn)

This.

No one gives a shit about the Olympics.  The number of presidents who ran an Olympics is precisely zero.  Bain Capital too.  Mitt made money at Bain Capital.  Good for Mitt.  Lots of people make money as CEOs.  That doesn't distinguish you.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 16, 2011 04:17 PM (uhAkr)

149 155 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

But at least he doesn't have a Southern drawl. Quel horreur!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2011 08:16 PM (lGFXF)

this

*spits tobacco juice*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 04:17 PM (UOM48)

150 151 She wears panties?

Not when I hit it.

I would not hit that even with the Blade of Olympus;  the power of the Gods still isn't sufficient to sterilize all the bugs that undoubtedly have taken up residence on and in her. 

Posted by: Liberal gits circa 2000. at August 16, 2011 04:17 PM (c0A3e)

151 Sifty, may I suggest a dick check?

Short arm inspections are on Thursday. Hopefully the rash will be gone by then.

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 04:17 PM (ECjvn)

152 128

"Michell Bachmann really is a flake. Did you just hear about her starting a rally claiming today was Elvis' birthday? What a fucking idiot. Sorry, its the truth.

Something IS not right with her. Better this happen now, then in october '12"

Uh, today was Elvis' *death* day.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2011 08:08 PM (w7K7d)


Yes, as anyone who loves music of any kind knows.  How Bachmann could ever do this is simply mind boggling

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 04:17 PM (eXQfZ)

153 I'd vote for the mouse that lives in Bancroft Hall ( student residence at Annapolis) before I'd vote for Obama.

Posted by: nevergiveup at August 16, 2011 08:05 PM (i6RpT)

Hey, a lot of those mice have won their jump wings.  Pretty tough breed, those Bancroft mice.


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 16, 2011 04:18 PM (9CM5J)

154 OT- Today is National Airborne Day!  A great time for all the legs out there to cry in thier beer and reflect on thier lack of paratrooper manliness.  Have a White Devil day!  (That's the 2/504th PIR, for all of you thinking racist thoughts out there)

Posted by: Assassin6 at August 16, 2011 04:19 PM (TsgEc)

155 And getting serious for a minute:


As for Romney... I'll be more impressed with him when I can walk into a Staples and buy a computer MADE IN THE UNITED STATES.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 16, 2011 04:19 PM (qITqt)

156

Ahhh....Dick "the Pooter" Harpootlian is ripping into Perry on Fox.

Yes, because America certainly listens whenever anyone named "Harpootlian" speaks.

He really should change his name.  It sounds like a foot disease.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 04:19 PM (HUZDZ)

157

Posted by: Assassin6 at August 16, 2011 08:19 PM (TsgEc)

All the way!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2011 04:19 PM (HUZDZ)

158 Ahhh....Dick "the Pooter" Harpootlian is ripping into Perry on Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 16, 2011 08:15 PM (UOM4

That jackass is one nasty piece of work.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 16, 2011 04:19 PM (9CM5J)

159 117 Wait, what? Obama was the top of his class? I never heard that, is it true??

I presume this is sarcasm.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 08:02 PM (bjRNS)

lol, I posted that before reading the comments. I thought he wasn't, but Riordan saying it made me go "huh?"

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:19 PM (LD21B)

160

I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys. I don't think we can afford one of them in the White House in 2013 - we're too close to the edge. It'll take a lot for Romney to convince me that he has attitude to rip stuff out instead of tweaking things to make them work better.

You and me both.

Posted by: stuiec at August 16, 2011 04:20 PM (Di3Im)

161 I would take a dude who came in dead last in Annapolis over a community organizing socialist agitator any day of the week. McCain blows ass, but obama is evil.

Posted by: Berserker at August 16, 2011 04:20 PM (FMbng)

162 Elvis Costello died?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 16, 2011 04:21 PM (4nfy2)

163 106
Q: What do you call someone expelled from Harvard?

A: Zombie Murderer Senator Kennedy

Fify

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 16, 2011 04:21 PM (9pSqS)

164 Best we can hope for is some minor restraint of the big bad beast. There will be no dramatic changes. We don't have the stomach for it.

Probably true. In which case we're choosing the person who (possibly) gets to put the pieces back together after the Crash. I still think auto-pilot is the best plan for reconstruction (2.0).

Posted by: Methos at August 16, 2011 04:22 PM (sOXQX)

165 There is a G-D Damn cricket at the Yankee Game in KC and it's on TV and driving me crazy

Posted by: nevergiveup at August 16, 2011 04:22 PM (i6RpT)

166 Yes, as anyone who loves music of any kind knows.  How Bachmann could ever do this is simply mind boggling

Elvis died a while ago.

I have uncles and aunt that I can't remember the birthdays or death dates for.

She's a little busy. I get John Wayne's and Elvis' birth and death dates fucked up. Dean Martin's too.

It's not lie she wrote it incorrectly on a cheesy toy button and gave it to a country with several thousand nuclear weapons.

Posted by: sifty at August 16, 2011 04:23 PM (ECjvn)

167 Dick "the Pooter" Harpootlian

Why do you think they call them "dick"heads?  After Pooter!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 16, 2011 04:23 PM (9pSqS)

168 @133 no the answer is be ready. But don't place all your hopes on some badass candidate who is going to ride in and fix everything. It is not going to happen. We still have hundreds of asswipes in the Congress who are elected by tens of millions who want their free stuff. A billion or so dollars out of 2012 budget is an achievement! Rick Perry could be the rootin-tootinest cowboy West of the Pecos but he isn't going to eliminate the first agency. What has he eliminated in Texas? And I ask it of any of the candidates or presumed candidates (Palin) not what have you done, but what have you undone? Like I said, best we can hope for is a bit of restraint.

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 04:23 PM (Fw2Gg)

169 One of the attacks that Team OBama is going to use against Romney is the work he did at Bain Capitol where he got brought in and fired people to keep the company afloat rather just keep everyone on and let the company go down in flames. Romney will rip stuff out where he can.

Posted by: embittered redleg at August 16, 2011 04:24 PM (CuPwN)

170 167
How Bachmann could ever do this is simply mind boggling

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 08:17 PM (eXQfZ)

So Billy you're telling the thread you never forgot your wife's birthday?  If not you're a fucking genius. 


Posted by: Fish the Impaler at August 16, 2011 08:19 PM (Lt/Za)

Ok fair point, but I'd never do a surprise party for an anniversary on her birthday, or whatever.  Its nuts. 

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 04:24 PM (eXQfZ)

171 I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.

Posted by: Monsters of Men Audible at August 16, 2011 04:25 PM (s40ej)

172 Like I said, best we can hope for is a bit of restraint.

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 08:23 PM (Fw2Gg)

Sooo....., what are we fighting for? Because we might as well give up if nothing will ever get rolled back.

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:25 PM (LD21B)

173 "I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys. I don't think we can afford one of them in the White House in 2013 - we're too close to the edge. It'll take a lot for Romney to convince me that he has attitude to rip stuff out instead of tweaking things to make them work better." This is exactly right. Romney has shown little if any evidence of being a champion of small government or a warrior for individual liberty. Indeed, his whole persona is built on being a good steward and administrator (e.g. the Olympics). He is precisely the kind of country-club Republican who thinks that government is okey-dokey as long as "the right people" (you know, dear, "our kind") are running it. We absolutely can't afford that attitude. We need someone who will go after the entitlement state with the same zeal that Obama has just put into building it. Anything less is quibbling about the length of the rope while we go to the gallows.

Posted by: DriveBy at August 16, 2011 04:25 PM (C9Vc8)

174 Plain old elitism. They think they're better than us.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at August 16, 2011 04:26 PM (bAL0J)

175 Sooo....., what are we fighting for? Because we might as well give up if nothing will ever get rolled back.

Hawley Carp, you guys are such Eeyores. Leviathan wasn't built in a day, and you're not going to tear it down in a day.

Just stopping the forward momentum is a victory, right now.

(For the classically inclined: we're looking for our Fabius right now. Scipio comes later.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 04:28 PM (bjRNS)

176

Pfft, double secret probation commie RINO.

The next candidate needs to have a bill to repeal 75% of the laws ever passed in alphabetical order and cross-referenced by liberty theft. Posted by: Guy Fawkes


I guess I shouldn't expect more from Alinsky altar boys.

If you were really serious you'd ask that the next candidate demand payment with interestfrom all of the countries protected by our nuclear umbrella and use the money to create a time machine for the sole purpose of sending black ops back in time with the mission to terminate Stalin, Hitler, and Fatty Arbuckle. Why Fatty Arbuckle, you ask? Because the next candidate needs to project that unpredictable, slightly crazed nature that only the truly dangerous possess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 16, 2011 04:30 PM (DEcmU)

177 Sooo....., what are we fighting for? Because we might as well give up if nothing will ever get rolled back. Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 08:25 PM (LD21B) We are fighting for survival, that's what. But I gurantee you that no one will roll anything back. And my point is that if you are anti-Romney because you fear he won't roll anything back, that's misplaced. OF COURSE he won't roll anything back - but nobody else will either.

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 04:30 PM (Fw2Gg)

178 186 Plain old elitism. They think they're better than us.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at August 16, 2011 08:26 PM (bAL0J)

That's a bit of a stretch.  After all, we can't say how many are included in your "us".  Better than you?  Most assuredly, but don't feel bad about it.

Posted by: T. Bradley Worthington IV at August 16, 2011 04:31 PM (D+phB)

179

@148: "It's the fuckin Olympics.

Ten days of Spandex and wheat-germ-suckers every four years sandwiched between two parades
."

Heh, that first sentence is really, really accurate.  Whole lotta sex goin' on - at least in the athlete village.  I used to swim with some guys who made it to the Olympics.  They enjoyed it immensely.  Also met a guy who was part of the security organization for the Salt Lake games - he was pretty well floored by all of the sex.  To borrow from American Dad, those guys were pulling more tail than a special ed kid at a petting zoo.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 16, 2011 04:31 PM (xy9wk)

180 I couldn't vote for a guy from the bottom of his class at the Annapolis over a guy from the top of his class at Harvard.

Really? You're going to hold Methuselah's undergrad class standing against him? Not take into account anything he did over decades of service in the Navy and, in the US Senate?

Instead, without actually knowing Obama's class rank, you go with him? So it's merley an upper half lower half thing between college transcripts? Nothing else matters? Ok so he was close to last; but he did graduate from a military institution.

This is just elitism that we are railing against rearing its head. Ace accuses us about being biased against qualifications. I say we are biased against the baggage those qualifications usually carry. Elitist progressivism in both parties, happy to run the life of the masses.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at August 16, 2011 04:31 PM (0q2P7)

181 I remember exactly where I was when I heard that Elvis died.  I also remember the date.  I also remember telephone numbers and license plate numbers from 40 years ago.  I think I was Asburgers before it was cool.  Seriously.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at August 16, 2011 04:31 PM (jucos)

182 This may have been covered earlier, but Riordan was a huge Schwarzenegger supporter in Cali.  That worked out really well for us.

Posted by: Chris at August 16, 2011 04:32 PM (ULA0k)

183 And my point is that if you are anti-Romney because you fear he won't roll anything back, that's misplaced.

True. The better reason to dislike Romney is that he's the type that thinks the government should "do something". That's the reason why I don't want anything to do with him.

(I'll still vote for him over Obama.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 16, 2011 04:33 PM (bjRNS)

184

@158: "No one gives a shit about the Olympics."

Dude, I get to be America's houseguest for two weeks every four years precisely because of the Olympics!

*runs along boards*

(Still one of my best memories from childhood)

Posted by: Mike Eruzione at August 16, 2011 04:34 PM (xy9wk)

185 (For the classically inclined: we're looking for our Fabius right now. Scipio comes later.)


I think the congress is being used right now as our Fabius Maximus.  The Presidency is our Scipio.  We must crush them as soon as we get the chance, because like in war, we may not get this opportunity again.  This county could go full retard after a Republican presidency.  Its now or never

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 04:34 PM (eXQfZ)

186 True. The better reason to dislike Romney is that he's the type that thinks the government should "do something". That's the reason why I don't want anything to do with him Okay, well there you go - the problem with the technocrats.

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 04:34 PM (Fw2Gg)

187 That's a bit of a stretch.  After all, we can't say how many are included in your "us".  Better than you?  Most assuredly, but don't feel bad about it.

Us, amongst others, includes anyone who believes mankind should be free. That demonstrates an irreparable lack of understanding that implies a mental impediment to be pitied. Most assuredly they feel smugly superior to such a base belief about humanity. As the enlightened Buddha's looking down on the struggling masses. Those whom hold such beliefs turn away from the true light that THEY the smart ones *should* be in charge. Oh yes, they are far superior to those rubes.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at August 16, 2011 04:36 PM (0q2P7)

188 By the by, do any of you people have links to the vote tallies for the Wisconsin recalls?  They could be quite amusing, and I'd enjoy seeing them if one of you would go fetch them up.

Posted by: T. Bradley Worthington IV at August 16, 2011 04:37 PM (D+phB)

189 "No one gives a shit about the Olympics." Dude, I get to be America's houseguest for two weeks every four years precisely because of the Olympics! *runs along boards* (Still one of my best memories from childhood) Posted by: Mike Eruzione at August 16, 2011 08:34 PM (xy9wk) I think he meant no one gives a shit about the Olympics after the USA- Soviet rivalry went belly up

Posted by: nevergiveup at August 16, 2011 04:38 PM (i6RpT)

190

Wasn't Reagan going to get rid of the EPA and Department of Education?  If he couldn't touch government largesse you can pretty well bet that Mittens or the Rickster won't dare roll anything back.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at August 16, 2011 04:38 PM (jucos)

191

@187: "Leviathan wasn't built in a day, and you're not going to tear it down in a day."

I respectfully disagree. 

Posted by: Vlad Tepes, hosting a banquet for the boyars at August 16, 2011 04:39 PM (xy9wk)

192 Screw the Olympics. Romney made MA 'fiscally solvent' by adding fees and jacking them where they already existed, and taking federal cash whenever he was able. He didn't scale back one thing. Deval Patrick has done more to scale back the hackarama, not that he's had any choice. The genesis of Romneycare was an unutilized $400 million grant that MA would have had to return the feds. The only hope for a Romney presidency is both houses of Congress holding him to the fire.

Posted by: BuddyPC at August 16, 2011 04:40 PM (N/Bgb)

193 We are fighting for survival, that's what. But I gurantee you that no one will roll anything back. And my point is that if you are anti-Romney because you fear he won't roll anything back, that's misplaced. OF COURSE he won't roll anything back - but nobody else will either.

Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2011 08:30 PM (Fw2Gg)

Yea ok, but simply stopping the leviathan isn't a good long term strategy. I absolutely agree with that other poster whose name I can't spell that dismantling the leviathan is a long term process. But we gotta start somewhere, then we have you saying that's never gonna happen, hence my question.

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:41 PM (LD21B)

194 U.S. Grant was a failure student but the son of a bitch got the job done. So much for a freakin' Harvard degree.

Posted by: mj hawkeye at August 16, 2011 04:43 PM (q/4al)

195 199 That's a bit of a stretch.  After all, we can't say how many are included in your "us".  Better than you?  Most assuredly, but don't feel bad about it.

Us, amongst others, includes anyone who believes mankind should be free. That demonstrates an irreparable lack of understanding that implies a mental impediment to be pitied. Most assuredly they feel smugly superior to such a base belief about humanity. As the enlightened Buddha's looking down on the struggling masses. Those whom hold such beliefs turn away from the true light that THEY the smart ones *should* be in charge. Oh yes, they are far superior to those rubes.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at August 16, 2011 08:36 PM (0q2P7)

Smashing!  Mike...the Moose, yes?  How quaint.  We do agree on some issues after all, so let's go forward in a spirit of partnership.  What we agree upon is your desire to be free.  We want you to be free.  You're not wrong for wanting to be free, only it is possible that you're misunderstanding what the word really means in today's context.  We can't fault you for that; rather, we'll convince you by bringing about the kind of societal order that you can understand and grow to love.  As for your sarcasm, please see my previous sentence.  Once we have things properly arranged, your prosperity and happiness will be so well-arranged that you will have no reason for complaint.  The yoke will be light, and your brood well cared for.

Posted by: T. Bradley Worthington IV at August 16, 2011 04:44 PM (D+phB)

196 44 is thread winner

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:48 PM (LD21B)

197 ah damnit, wrong thread.

Posted by: KG at August 16, 2011 04:48 PM (LD21B)

198 203

@187: "Leviathan wasn't built in a day, and you're not going to tear it down in a day."

I respectfully disagree. 

Posted by: Vlad Tepes, hosting a banquet for the boyars at August 16, 2011 08:39 PM (xy9wk)


So do I

Posted by: Caracalla, hosting a nice wedding party for the Parthians at August 16, 2011 04:48 PM (eXQfZ)

199

So do I

Posted by: Caracalla, hosting a nice wedding party for the Parthians at August 16, 2011 08:48 PM (eXQfZ)

Seconded.

Posted by: George R.R. Martin's Red Wedding at August 16, 2011 04:49 PM (D+phB)

200 OK - Who do I split the commissions with?

http://tinyurl.com/3fjklfx

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 16, 2011 04:53 PM (HpT9p)

201 OHHHH SHIIIIIIT!

Does it come in black?  I'll buy 10.  White don't look good when you're well over 6 tall and 280#.  Trust me

Posted by: Caracalla, hosting a nice wedding party for the Parthians at August 16, 2011 04:57 PM (eXQfZ)

202

Beware the competent Technocrats

-----------------------

Hey! What did we ever do to you?

Signed,

Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, Adolf Eichmann, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Lavrenty Beria, Felix Dzerzhinsky, Erich Mielke, Alger Hiss, Lauchlin Currie, Harry Dexter White, Robert Hanssen, Aldrich Ames, Greg Silvermaster, Laurence Duggan, Michael Whitney Straight, Julian Wadleigh

Posted by: An unmarked envelope with pictures of your family and a note at August 16, 2011 04:58 PM (xy9wk)

203 filthy sock

Holy moly it does come in black!! woohoo

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 16, 2011 04:59 PM (eXQfZ)

204

@206: "U.S. Grant was a failure student but the son of a bitch got the job done. So much for a freakin' Harvard degree."

We respectfully disagree.

Posted by: A lot of Union war dead who aren't happy about it at August 16, 2011 05:00 PM (xy9wk)

205 I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys.

Oh god don't go there. "terrified" sounds like something a Kossite would say.  Just say you're concerned.  Be cool.

Posted by: jeanne at August 16, 2011 05:03 PM (QnxMg)

206 Per Drudge, Obama said Perry should watch his mouth. In a perfect world Perry would say, "I have a better idea, Obama. Watch my mouth." And then I'd say "Pussy."

Posted by: OCBill at August 16, 2011 05:04 PM (YJvVE)

207 "I am terrified that Romney is one of the guys that talk conservative but, once in office, are perfectly happy to administer the socialist regime the left-wingers left him with." Careful there Arthur K, Ace might call you a purist. You need to put those negative thoughts aside and envision how much more efficient Obamacare will be under Romney. Just imagine how wonderful it will be under a Republican. It would be sort of like Romneycare but better.

Posted by: Daniel at August 16, 2011 05:07 PM (D4eQr)

208 Nice shirt.

Posted by: NotAMolly at August 16, 2011 05:11 PM (ADJFU)

209 > 188 ... I guess I shouldn't expect more from Alinsky altar boys. If you were really serious you'd ask that the next candidate demand payment with interestfrom all of the countries protected by our nuclear umbrella and use the money to create a time machine ... Posted by: weft cut-loop Ok, I'll subscribe to your newsletter. And 7 oz. of whatever you're smoking.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 16, 2011 05:13 PM (fjpxd)

210 You wrote, "I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys." News: Romney is exactly one of those guys. More than any other prominent politician since Nelson Rockefeller, Mitt Romney represents Establishment Republicanism, which is the national equivalent of what we call 'country club Republicans' here in Indiana. They're a wily political breed, adept at 'reaching across the aisle' and 'achieving a consensus' and 'reaching a compromise', but never, ever at taking a principled stand. You can't exactly call any of them RINOs because RINOs often take genuine political risks and are sometimes motivated by conviction. Not these guys. Finding out what an establishment Republican like Romney truly believes is like cutting soup with a knife.

Posted by: troyriser at August 16, 2011 05:38 PM (YCeSE)

211

Top of his class at Havard.  Was he the only one in his class?

 

He is so stupid that he visited all 57 states.

Posted by: Molon Labe at August 16, 2011 05:45 PM (t57Qv)

212 #81

Wrong. There were bodies recovered and efforts made to determine duration of survival. It was noted that three of the emergency air feeds were activated but the long time before recovery made it impossible to draw any solid conclusions.

http://tinyurl.com/6b2r47n

Posted by: epobirs at August 16, 2011 06:06 PM (kcfmt)

213 He voted for Obama? Fuck him. Fuck him with a red hot poker. He's a millionaire. He helped put the asshole in office that is ruining life for the middle class. Fuck you, Riordan!

Posted by: mike at August 16, 2011 06:16 PM (/cyI7)

214

You know Romney said he would exempt all 50 states (the other 7 can do what they want) from obamao's obamacare. And I believe him!  He's not my first choice, but if he gets the nomination, I'll crawl over glass to vote for him!

Posted by: Goldi at August 16, 2011 06:51 PM (rsOPT)

215 The problem with Michelle Bachmann is similar to the problem with Steve Forbes. Candidate are not judged on their words and ideas alone. In 1840 you could probably get away with having a weird facial expression or maanerism but not today, to our detriment. Steve Forbes appeared to be a Dana Carvey parody of himself. He had a goofy smile that immediately clipped 80 points off his perceived IQ. Guaranteed fail for a political candidate.

It's kind of the opposite of Ted Baxter. Everyone who knew him knew he was a dullard at best but he had the serious demeanor down pat and that made his career.

Every time I look at Michelle Bachmann I pictured Bob Geldof in 'The Wall' after he's shaved off his eyebrows. It isn't fair and ha no bearing on the candidate or her policies but such is political doom: taking a bad picture.

Posted by: epobirs at August 16, 2011 07:07 PM (kcfmt)

216

"I'm terrified that Romney is one of those guys. I don't think we can afford one of them in the White House in 2013 - we're too close to the edge. It'll take a lot for Romney to convince me that he has attitude to rip stuff out instead of tweaking things to make them work better."

Thank you for putting into words what I'm feeling.  But I'm feeling that way about perry and palin too.  What happened I think is that even if you didn't vote for obama he's the president and as such once he was elected you figured that 52% of the people saw something so you would make the best of it and support him and his office.  Essentially you agreed to trust in his ability to run the country.  So, now months later, when we have obamacare and are broke, now you begin to really wonder how the  52% could have been so wrong.  Now you are afraid to trust in anyone.  If this person could have been so convincing and so charismatic and then can come in and virtually do the polar opposite of what he promised he would do, then how can you trust anyone?   The trust issue will be exploited by BO and his minions, they've already started with the perry/bachman dominion article in the daily beast.  People are starting to quietly question if they are "dangerously religious" and if maybe romney, though not the best candidate, might be more predictable.  Makes you wonder what they have on romney that they can roll out at the appropriate time and cause chaos like a week before the election.

I know it's not the republican candidates' baggage but it's the elephant in the room and the republican candidate is going to have to work twice as hard to get people to trust him/her and to then go out there and vote him or her in instead of saying "well, BO is the devil we know, if we vote in a republican controlled senate, how much damage can he do for another 4 years, let's not elect a republican version of him".  I haven't been seeing this as a trust issue until this weekend where I had an opportunity to interact with republicans and conservatives and not my same old lib/dem friends. 

Posted by: curious at August 16, 2011 07:33 PM (k1rwm)

217

For anyone who thinks 4 more years of obama might not be that bad, especially if he has a conservative congress - just think of his supreme court picks and he might end up with 1 or 2 more!

That should scare anyone! It surely will have a greater effect on this country for years to come, worse than this poseur in office!

So if it's Perry, Romney, Bachmann or Rubio (wish) we have to get behind them.

Ron Paul, I'm sure is a good man, but he doesn't care if Iran has the bomb, thinks it's none of our business if Israel is destroyed - "not our problem."

Just wow!

Posted by: Goldi at August 17, 2011 05:59 AM (rsOPT)

218

Article really hits the nail on the head. We really do have a far left party, and a left of center party with nothing on the right.

As for colleges and smarts-- I've worked around a lot of college grads including many ivy league grads. I've also worked with folks with no degree who were far smarter than any college grad. A lot of it comes down to opportunity either due to financial circumstances and connections for admission to particular schools or event attendance at all.

For all his supposed smarts, Barak Obama has been arguing with reality for a long time and reality is about to win.

 

 

Posted by: grayswindir at August 17, 2011 07:33 AM (xGZ+b)

219 What do you call someone who almost flunked out of Occidental College?

Posted by: ErnstBlofeld at August 17, 2011 07:56 AM (5ZuW6)

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