August 15, 2011

Blogging After America Day Four
Chapter Three - The New Athens [ArthurK]

— Open Blogger

This chapter's theme is European Demographic Doom. Covers much of the same territory as America Alone but focuses on the population decline and mostly skips religion. I spell out the relevance of EDD to America at the end.

Settle down for today's dose of doom - in honor of the heavy Greek coverage perhaps a cup of hemlock would be in order?

P103-104 - America and Greece are on the same road. The rioters in Greece are civil servants! "... the Greek rioters are the logical end point of the advanced social democratic state: not an oppressed underclass, but a spoiled overclass, rioting in defense of its privileges and insisting on more subsidy, more benefits, more featherbedding, more government."

P104 - Advanced societies have an obvious problem - they've run out of other people's money. But Greece is worse off than America. Here we're screwing our kids and grandkids. The Greeks don't have kids! Not just other people's money - they've run out of other people.

P106 - "Greek public servants have their nose to the grindstone 24/7. They work twenty- four hours a week for seven months of the year."

P109 - A Greek working a hazardous job, like bomb disposal, is entitled to retire at age 50. Over time, the category of hazardous jobs expanded. It now includes hair dressers and radio hosts.

P110 - The Greek govt. tried austerity measures. In response, the tax collectors went on strike.

P115 - European fix is a bigger threat than the Depression. "... the developed world has run out of places to pass the buck."

P116 - Mark Twain said, "Buy land, they're not making any more of it". But in Europe real estate is weak because they're running out of people.

P119 - The world has said Greece is too big to fail. Reality has said Greece is too big not to fail.

In 2010, regarding Greece, the NYT said "Another reform high on the list is removing the state from the marketplace in crucial sectors like health care, ..." "Economists say that the liberalization of ... the health care industry would help bring down prices..."

Yes, this is the same NYT that supported Obamacare as a way to lower healthcare costs.

P120 - Countries with Debt/GDP of 125% are being rescued by countries with Debt/GDP of 80%. Lemme know how that works out.

What's the relevance of European Demographic Doom to America? Euro-Socialism reduces the desire to live, to have kids, to give a damn about what happens after you die.* Therefore, lower population plus high spending levels leads to doom.

*spelled out with much more detail in American Alone.

America is not there - pop growth is around replacement level - but with more socialism we will be.

Greece and Europe are screwed because of too much debt. The reason they can't grow out of it is Demographic Doom.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:17 AM | Comments (20)
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1 What can anyone say Greece is boned. And so are we. On top of that we sent money over there to bail them out again.

The best thing anyone could do is quit giving these socialist countries money and let them fail.

And that is the best thing we can do here with the socialist States and cities. But that is not going to happen until we get the commies and RINOs out of government.

So it is a race to the bottom for us.  For them they have already hit the bottom.

Posted by: Vic at August 15, 2011 02:27 AM (M9Ie6)

2 Doom! It's part of a complete balanced breakfast.

Posted by: Mark formerly in Spokane, now Sandy UT at August 15, 2011 02:32 AM (Idj3n)

3 Settle down for today's dose of doom - in honor of the heavy Greek coverage cleavage perhaps a DD cup of hemlock would be in order? FTFY

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 15, 2011 02:33 AM (kUaEF)

4 Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. One of our Top. Men.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 15, 2011 02:37 AM (kUaEF)

5 P106 - "Greek public servants have their nose to the grindstone 24/7. They work twenty- four hours a week for seven months of the year."

Seriously?

Posted by: maverick muse at August 15, 2011 02:38 AM (lpWVn)

6 Canna I get a Greek chorus here?  Thankya, thankya very much.... a little gravy on this?

Posted by: Europides Elvis at August 15, 2011 02:45 AM (nFPVd)

7 What this country needs is more Greek Columes!  -All things commie in the USA.

Posted by: Case at August 15, 2011 02:55 AM (FD6YW)

8 the Greek rioters are the logical end point of the advanced social democratic state:

Yes that is the endpoint. When you have gone full commie/socialist everyone works for the government.

At that point you are not really taking "other people's money" because there is no longer any of the other people to take it from. Everyone works for the government. If the government doesn't produce anything but government and paper money then they eventually go Zimbabwe and bankrupt.

At that point the whole house of cards collapses.

Posted by: Vic at August 15, 2011 03:07 AM (M9Ie6)

9 In the small Texas town I call home one of the richest men is Tony T., a small Greek man who came to New York first with about $20 in his pocket.  He had to leave, his family had too many to support.  He made enough to come to Texas and started working in the kitchen of a local restaurant at minimum wage.  Twenty years later he owned the restaurant and tore it down to build a bigger, nicer restaurant.  Now he has sold it to his brother and tends his quarter horses on his ranch.  He said all the hard working people have left Greece because they had to, no jobs and no prospects.  

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 15, 2011 03:19 AM (nFPVd)

10 Greece was doomed by joining the Euro, she has stumbled along lazily for centuries. The euro took away one of her primary advantages as a tourist destination - being cheap.

Posted by: Jean at August 15, 2011 03:24 AM (t5Klv)

11 Too bad it is getting to be almost impossible to do that anymore. We have become Greece. All small businesses are flooded with taxes and regulations now.

Posted by: Vic at August 15, 2011 03:25 AM (M9Ie6)

12 But that is not going to happen until we get the commies and RINOs out of government.

Out with the old; in with the new commies and RINOs?

Michele Bachmann's expertise is tax law (IRS employee) yet she never supported tax reform as a badge of courage, let alone authored or co-sponsored a bill particularly for either flat or "fair" tax code. Nor has she, founder of the first Tea Party House Caucus, aligned that caucus to promote a freeze in the congressional rate of spending to current levels. Most assuredly, she wouldn't touch let alone attack the abusive Federal Reserve. Exactly what does she actually know in depth about Keynesian and/or implementing Austrian economics? 


Posted by: maverick muse at August 15, 2011 03:31 AM (lpWVn)

13 The Greek name for Barack is Narcissus.-true story

Posted by: Case at August 15, 2011 03:32 AM (DYR2Q)

14 The Greek name for Biden is Idiwtes.-true story

Posted by: Case at August 15, 2011 03:44 AM (DYR2Q)

15

I find it amusing that joining the European states together, which was supposed to be their salvation, has instead become their doom.  The weak will pull down the strong.  Alas, since federalism was destroyed in the US, we will suffer this effect as well. 

And while it is true that the US is stable in terms of population numbers, it's the quality, not the quantity, of people that is an issue for us.  Here again, the weak are pulling down the strong.  We subsidize child bearing among the hopeless underclass, and import cultural outsiders in unsupportable numbers.  Population decline would be a precious blessing compared to the abhorrent way that we are buying "stability."  I'll take 5 producers over 10 nonproducers any day.

The idea that there can be no prosperity without ever increasing numbers is absurd.  GDP and quality of life per person do not have a 1:1 correlation.  With the constant improvements in productivity we are seeing, along with better health longer in life, we can easily endure a population decline while living just fine.  Probably better, if the reduction in child bearing comes from a refusal to subsidize it, and if we seal the borders.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2011 04:06 AM (xUM1Q)

16 Then you allow unfettered immigration to replace your native population, no problem.  Say, seems to be a lot of minarets going up all over.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 15, 2011 04:07 AM (4q5tP)

17 Something that doesn't seem logical about the "no new people to pay for their entitlements". Don't the Greeks have more sex on a yearly basis than most if not all other nations? Now I know Greeks can be, if you pardon the expression, anal, but it still doesn't add up.

Posted by: Drider at August 15, 2011 04:10 AM (HaJD9)

18 Something that doesn't seem logical about the "no new people to pay for their entitlements".  Don't the Greeks have more sex on a yearly basis than most if not all other nations?  Now I know Greeks can be, if you pardon the expression, anal, but it still doesn't add up.

Posted by: Drider at August 15, 2011 08:10 AM (HaJD9)

 

Effective birth control plus easy access to abortion make it pretty easy to not have babies.  I support the former, and abhor the latter.  And, really, it's hard to blame them.  If you can enjoy a nice living, with little work, and hang out at the beach or cafe all the time, the idea of giving that up to mess around with kids does seem unpalatable.

 

Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2011 04:21 AM (xUM1Q)

19 > 15 The idea that there can be no prosperity without ever increasing numbers is absurd. GDP and quality of life per person do not have a 1:1 correlation. With the constant improvements in productivity we are seeing, along with better health longer in life, we can easily endure a population decline while living just fine. Posted by: Reactionary While you probably can have increased GDP (per capita) with a declining pop what we have in Greece is a situtation where the pensions of 100 grandparents are supported by the taxes of 44 grandchildren. Pay as you go pensions can't survive declining population.

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