August 13, 2011

Blogging After America Day Two
Chapter One - The New Rome [ArthurK]

— Open Blogger

Welcome to the second installment of Blogging After America. You may now don your sackcloths and ashes.

This first chapter looks at the loss of American Confidence.

Steyn has responded to a common complaint about America Alone - this book has lavish notes and almost all of them come with hyper-links. Now if he'd just put those 50 pages of notes on his web page I wouldn't have to type the urls...

Also, I'm being super-brief on many of these points. If I give one example, Steyn might have 4 or 5 in the book. So if you think a point is poorly supported - that's probably me being terse.

Unusually for a Steyn piece, I disagree with many of the examples he uses but I can't dispute his main point.

Page 25-28. Steyn isn't impressed with the technological advances available to the American family from 1950-2010 as compared to what happened from 1890-1950. Says that runaway statism has made us overcautious - it has blocked progress.

Musings. He doesn't appreciate what has happened from 1950-2010 because he has lived through so much of it. He should look at a BBC TV series "Electric Dreams". This show took a typical Brit household and replaced all the new stuff with 1979 technology. Then, each night, they updated the appliances and gadgets with next years stuff. The family had to adapt to it. They were dismayed by the early 80s gadgets! Considering that the average Brit house in 1979 was techologically 10-20 years behind an American house, this show is a good example of how far household technology has advanced from the 1950s to the 21st century.

And Steyn completely skipped smart cell phones. A smart phone with a net connection is insanely further advanced than a 1950s dial phone. It's almost like having your brain plugged into the World Mind.

P30 - Did Humanity reach it's peak by 1975? I think he's being a bit harsh. He's not giving enough weight to genetic engineering, biotech and such because they aren't as visible as Hoover Dam. He's not impressed by medical advances since the polio vaccine. He doesn't appreciate how cancers like leukemia have been more-or-less overcome over time by many 1 or 2% improvements in survival rate. Leukemia used to be a 100% death sentence - now most people survive but there was never one single breakthrough. It's very true that's we're less willing to try Big Things than before. Loss of confidence. The main theme of this chapter.

Musings. Aviation technology was spurred by competition during WW1 and WW2. Less competition means less progress. But that can't be blamed on lack of confidence. Manned space exploration was spurred by cold war competition. No cold war - manned space flight not such a high priority. The cold war didn't end until 1991 but NASA gave the Soviets such an asskicking that the Sovs gave up the big race by the early 1970s. Since then manned space flight has been cooperative and has had miserable progress. But that's due to lack of competition, not confidence.

P31 - Brings up the infamous muslim outreach NASA quote. I hadn't seen the full quote before - it's much worse than I thought. This is in the context of NASA,which once put a man on the moon in 8 years from the start date, not being able to do much now.

"One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering." - NASA Boss Bolden

P34 - "You will never see another Federal Dam". Another dispute. That's due more to all the prime dam sites in the US having already been exploited than a lack of confidence. But it's true that after the last Federal dam collapsed while it was being filled (Teton, 1975-76), it's been politically impossible to build another one. So there's some lack of confidence.

P36 - Do advances in virtual reality (all the neat internet stuff) mean we're abandoning real reality?

P38 - For many, Security trumps Freedom. Is Security pushing back Freedom all over the world? "An America running out of ideas eventually gives up on the American Idea."

P39 - Now Steyn is on fire. Gives the Prime Example of the loss of American Confidence. The hole in the ground 10 years later at the site of the World Trade Center. The Empire State Building was built in 18 months in the middle of a depression! The World's biggest skyscaper should have been built there by 2004. I recall arguments against that - they said "I'd be afraid to occupy such a prime target". Loss of Confidence! The Hole in the Ground may be best example of American Decline.

P43 - "...the country's economy, infrastructure, public schools, and political system have been allowed to deteriorate. The result has been diminished economic strength, a less vital democracy, and a mediocrity of spirit." - Gelb

Steyn finishes chapter one with "... a great power can survive a lot of things but not 'a mediocrity of spirit'" I can't argue with that!


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1 Oh come ON, Art! Didn't you just catch Perry give his speech? We're Ancient Rome alright... about to wipe out Hannibal!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 13, 2011 10:19 AM (kUaEF)

2
brb...comin over the Alps on elephants.

Posted by: Rick Perry at August 13, 2011 10:20 AM (LEcV+)

3 P43 - "...the country's economy, infrastructure, public schools, and political system have been allowed to deteriorate. The result has been diminished economic strength, a less vital democracy, and a mediocrity of spirit." - Gelb I disagree with the Public school portion of this. Have you seen some of these castles? The problem wit PS is not deterioration, but infestation. It is infested with socialism and the tyranny of low expectations. It is infested with psycopathic, disruptive children that because of PC will not be removed and dealt with. It is infected with lies or out right ommissions about world and our own history. This is why the local takeover of School boards and local Gov. Is probably just as critcal as taking back the Federal Gov.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 13, 2011 10:21 AM (ZDUD4)

4

Arthur, I would pull and repost.

Perry is the talk of the Nation right now.

Posted by: journolist at August 13, 2011 10:22 AM (Fb9Q0)

5

America's Politico said...

I think what people are missing is that Obama plays chess while GOP plays horoscopes. No, no, no. Obama is already planning the end game. I was at the Oval Room (across the WH) last evening and all the K-street consultants were cheering about the GOP debate. They (GOP) have no idea of what is in store for then. One consultant even brought his S.O. who was in media. The GOP is finished. If they think that they have a slight chance to win one state, one district, they are deluding themselves. The GOP defeat will be even bigger than Mondale. If GOP does not have vision/diversity/deliverables/leadership, then they will not lose in 2016 as well....remember the next POTUS - Mark Warner (Virginia). The GOP is totally clueless. They are like a QB (Bret Favre) who could not see when he was being blitzed...

8/13/11 10:38 AM

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 13, 2011 10:23 AM (e8kgV)

6 Politico is like a child with it's finger in it's ears screaming LALALALALA I can't hear you.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 13, 2011 10:28 AM (ZDUD4)

7 I find the most evidence of the decline in American in the lack of education both formal and informal throughout the population. Most people have poor vocabularies, are poorly read (haven't even read the classics at a minimum), know little about art, music, (the real stuff), architecture, geography, history or civics. They have lost their interest in learning and even dress to be offensive. The advent of constant television, games, and internet has stupified the masses in both senses of the word. T

Posted by: dagny at August 13, 2011 10:28 AM (YGBZZ)

8 Building hydroelectric dams has been blocked by the eco-tards. There are still some sites available but the snail daters must prevail.

Posted by: Vic at August 13, 2011 10:30 AM (M9Ie6)

9 Come. Violate me.

Posted by: Turd Wrapped In A Flag at August 13, 2011 10:32 AM (EL+OC)

10

There is a conflict of "visions" in America today.  Steyn sees that and emphasizes the problem with one vision, the predominant statist vision that parts of BOTH political parties have subscribed to.. As "Islamic Rage Boy" illustrates with his quote, some people are mesmerized by their own vision, and insist upon themselves.

The Republicans won't win one state? They have no idea what is in store for them?  Really?

Ah, no diversity, no vision.  Of course. The midterms of 2010 were just a hallucination. Pay no attention to these votes, they are meaningless.

 "... a great power can survive a lot of things but not 'a mediocrity' of spirit'"

And that is exactly what we are fighting.  The answer is out there.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 13, 2011 10:33 AM (sJTmU)

11

 geography, history or civics.

^This. It is sad to see children not being able to find a country or even a continent on a map or having no idea about history. But it is really discouraging that they don't even know that structures of government in their own country. Just ask and most will say that the US is a democracy

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 13, 2011 10:34 AM (H/MnC)

12

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 13, 2011 02:23 PM (e8kgV)

That's the kind of stuff to which curious likes to link.

Posted by: dagny at August 13, 2011 10:34 AM (YGBZZ)

13 I was at the Oval Room (across the WH) last evening and all the K-street consultants

K-street consultants in the Oval Office ... surely he jests.

Posted by: Barney Frank at August 13, 2011 10:34 AM (e8kgV)

14 Building hydroelectric dams has been blocked by the eco-tards. There are still some sites available but the snail daters must prevail.

Posted by: Vic

There could be a great advance in hydroelectric power in smaller reservoirs.  I read recently about a more efficient turbine design that does not need as much head pressure to be cost effective.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 13, 2011 10:36 AM (sJTmU)

15 The hole in the ground 10 years later at the site of the World Trade Center. The Empire State Building was built in 18 months in the middle of a depression! A microcosm of our national dilemma. You could write three volumes on that alone.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 10:37 AM (AZGON)

16

The McClatchy Newspapers-Marist Poll found 68% of adults believe “the worst is yet to come” on the economy.

Only 32% believe the worst is behind us.

Stay The Course ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 13, 2011 10:37 AM (e8kgV)

17 The hole in the ground 10 years later at the site of the World Trade Center. The Empire State Building was built in 18 months in the middle of a depression!

A microcosm of our national dilemma. You could write three volumes on that alone.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 02:37 PM (AZGON)

They should have built the same fucking thing again, bigger, within 18 months of the clean up. Maybe invert the towers leaving the original footprints as a memorial. But we don't build memorials, really. We just build. We keep moving. That action is the way we honor those before us and remember and reflect who we are as a people.

Until, of course, people started whining.

Two towers taller than Burj Dubai. Ludicrously tall.
Thats what should have been in the gameplan.

 

Fucking Bloomberg and Lieberskand

Posted by: CAC at August 13, 2011 10:41 AM (U14+T)

18

The McClatchy Newspapers-Marist Poll found 68% of adults believe “the worst is yet to come” on the economy.

Only 32% believe the worst is behind us.

Stay The Course ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 13, 2011 02:37 PM (e8kgV)

And this is supposed to be bad for the GOP how, exactly? "Staying the course" (note capitalization conventions!)  would mean voting for Obama and more of his crap. Hope and Change = not Barry.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 13, 2011 10:42 AM (nEMLy)

19

The GOP is finished. If they think that they have a slight chance to win one state, one district, they are deluding themselves. The GOP defeat will be even bigger than Mondale.

It is the easiest way to dismiss a politically-ignorant crazyman.

ANYONE who claims with a straight face the Democrats can win more than 38 states is delusional.

Posted by: CAC at August 13, 2011 10:44 AM (U14+T)

20 Do you know who I am?

Posted by: I'm Rick Perry, B!tch at August 13, 2011 10:47 AM (T3vCe)

21

Posted by: CAC at August 13, 2011 02:44 PM (U14+T)

The democrats will probably win the big urban centers, but that's it. I just don't know enough how that will work out electorally. Explain it to me if you can, please

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 13, 2011 10:49 AM (H/MnC)

22 There could be a great advance in hydroelectric power in smaller reservoirs.

That will not make a whit of difference to most of the eco-tards. They really are not in it for the ecology. Most are using it to push communism and the rest are just anarchists.

Posted by: Vic at August 13, 2011 10:55 AM (M9Ie6)

23 Two towers taller than Burj Dubai. Ludicrously tall. Thats what should have been in the gameplan. With free bungee jumping for servicemen and two revolving titty bars on top. But that's just my idiosyncratic preference.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 10:57 AM (AZGON)

24 Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 13, 2011 02:23 PM (e8kgV)

Interestingly, that's exactly what the resident tediously-irrational NY shit-for-brains said before the 2010 elections.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 13, 2011 10:57 AM (/FJqm)

25 And Steyn completely skipped smart cell phones. A smart phone with a net connection is insanely further advanced than a 1950s dial phone. It's almost like having your brain plugged into the World Mind.

I don't know how Steyn makes his case, but one way you can make it is by pointing out that everything "smart phones" give us was anticipated by De Chardin and McLuhan and

    , and by the advertising for earlier-generation technologies that didn't deliver what they promised. It was "common knowledge" before it happened. Know what I mean?

    All the concepts, language, and uses for "smart phones" preceded them. So the thing itself is obvious and boring. "Make me a thing that fits in here." "Okay." "Thanks."

    When you got an iPhone, were you amazed? You were not. Because it's not amazing. It's handy, and you wanted a thing that was handy in that way.

    The original telephones were shocking, "changed everything," blah blah blah. We don't do that anymore. If you think we do, with like iPhones and shit, it's because you're—no offense—intensely (and ironically) socially isolated.

    The "social media revolution" in Egypt wasn't that, because—why? Because there's no such thing, except in the minds of a certain gadget-consumer demographic.

    Did Humanity reach it's peak by 1975?

    Yes. I was born.

    But also, yes. "Humanity" isn't gadgetry. And "genetic engineering, biotech and such" are almost entirely useless to us—at those techs' current state of development. Which they'll not soon, and maybe never, and possibly never-ever, significantly pass, because...well, see, e.g., Steyn, passim.

    We'll have DOOM instead.

    Remember, the ancient Greeks had the beginnings of all current science at their temporal fingertips. Then they didn't anymore. Their Einstein was, what, three or four centuries away? Then shit got real, and Greek Einstein had no world to be born into. That guy probably still existed, but he didn't do shit. He probably just fucked around in the dirt and died.

    And if Einstein 2 exists now, he's probably just fucking around on his phone.

    We're not here.

Posted by: oblig. at August 13, 2011 11:00 AM (xvZW9)

26 Since the 1970s, ga-zillions of dollars have been spent on subsidizing a leech welfare class, from womb to tomb. 

We've bought and paid for--and received--generations of totally unproductive slob-sloths who've siphoned away funds which could have been used for Many Good Things ( or we could have kept the money ourselves, and done many of our own Good Things ).

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 11:01 AM (UqKQV)

27

And if Einstein 2 exists now, he's probably just fucking around on his phone.

We're not here.

Posted by: oblig. at August 13, 2011 03:00 PM (xvZW9)

yeah, Einstein 2.0 is viddying intrenet pron on his IPad / IPhone  and wanking

and ignoring his Mom, who keeps yelling down at him to cut the lawn

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 11:04 AM (UqKQV)

28 have no fear! rick perry is here!!

Posted by: joe biden at August 13, 2011 11:06 AM (eOXTH)

29

The democrats will probably win the big urban centers, but that's it. I just don't know enough how that will work out electorally. Explain it to me if you can, please

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 13, 2011 02:49 PM (H/MnC)

In the event of a Republican LANDSLIDE, we still lose 10 states and DC.

That means we max at 389 electoral votes.

Conversely we aren't going to lose any of the states we won in 2008, so at best the Democrats can compete for parity with that (minus Indiana and 1 EV in Nebraska which they are now openly ceding as totally lost) but adjusted for the census their limit is 347 electoral votes.

 

I don't believe Obama will approach 238EV's at the rate he is going, however.

Posted by: CAC at August 13, 2011 11:06 AM (U14+T)

30 please let me still be vp.......

Posted by: joe biden at August 13, 2011 11:07 AM (eOXTH)

31 That will not make a whit of difference to most of the eco-tards. They really are not in it for the ecology. Most are using it to push communism and the rest are just anarchists.

Environmentalism is mostly pecksniffery.

Posted by: Heorot at August 13, 2011 11:10 AM (bAyio)

32

Posted by: CAC at August 13, 2011 03:06 PM (U14+T)

Thanks

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 13, 2011 11:11 AM (H/MnC)

33 He probably just fucked around in the dirt and died. Well YEAH, but that was probably one of the best fucks I ever had!

Posted by: Greek Einstein at August 13, 2011 11:12 AM (kUaEF)

34
crikey

is this RickPerry of Spades HQ?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 13, 2011 11:19 AM (4Ejxg)

35 ... answer to the question, "What Happened to Obama?" is that nothing happened to him. He is still the same anti-American leftist he was before becoming our president, and it is this rather than inexperience or incompetence or weakness or stupidity that accounts for the richly deserved failure both at home and abroad of the policies stemming from that reprehensible cast of mind.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 13, 2011 11:20 AM (e8kgV)

36 This is such a good post. Too bad it is practically wasted since everybody is one thread down kissing Perry's ass

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 13, 2011 11:20 AM (H/MnC)

37 I can't believe the disappointing froth on this latte. I'm being treated like MLK, Jr...

Posted by: t-bird at August 13, 2011 11:23 AM (FcR7P)

38
Alright, enough about Rick Perry.

Let's talk about Rick Perry.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 13, 2011 11:25 AM (4Ejxg)

39 Bad timing on your post, brother

Posted by: Dickie Normous at August 13, 2011 11:27 AM (AnTyA)

40

The problem wit PS is not deterioration, but infestation. It is infested with socialism and the tyranny of low expectations.

True, but worst of all, the public schools are infested with tens of millions of black & mexican children whose average IQ is no higher than 80 [where you need an IQ of about 90 to have any hope of learning to read & write, and an IQ of about 100 to be anything less than a total drag on society].

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Unreconstructed Palecon at August 13, 2011 11:29 AM (nfn9A)

41 Oh, look, somebody thinks we're their racist buddy again.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 13, 2011 11:30 AM (bxiXv)

42

True, but worst of all, the public schools are infested with tens of millions of black & mexican children whose average IQ is no higher than 80 [where you need an IQ of about 90 to have any hope of learning to read & write, and an IQ of about 100 to be anything less than a total drag on society].

I sure hope that was meant as snark, other wise get fucking lost

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 13, 2011 11:31 AM (H/MnC)

43 Posted by: Unreconstructed Palecon at August 13, 2011 03:29 PM (nfn9A)

I like the way you think!

Posted by: Margaret Sanger at August 13, 2011 11:32 AM (LH6ir)

44 While Ace is away, the trolls come to "play".

Get bent and fuck off, trollie, troll, troll. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 13, 2011 11:32 AM (9hSKh)

45
fuckin Iowa, I hate it

Posted by: soothsayer at August 13, 2011 11:34 AM (4Ejxg)

46 Most are using it to push communism and the rest are just anarchists.

Posted by: Vic

Their nihilism will ultimately be the death of their movement. Suicide, either figurative (psychological) or real tends not to be a reproductive feature, or to attract imitators.

I read an article on line this week from a webzine that I subscribe to at work that decried the "Global Warming Deniers" as having all sorts of reactionary, evil intent.  And I've been told by my French co-workers that it has been very cold and rainy in France this summer. 

One way or the other, we are at a real turning point.  Either a majority of Americans awake from their stupor and realize what has been foisted on them or we accelerate the circling of the drain by making the drain hole even bigger.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 13, 2011 11:34 AM (sJTmU)

47
What else do they do in Iowa besides have state fairs, eat corndogs, and put their hand out for farm subsidies?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 13, 2011 11:36 AM (4Ejxg)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 13, 2011 11:36 AM (/JSoi)

49 Obuttfuck "Hope" poster artist Shepard Fairey beaten up by Scandis AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That made my day.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 11:38 AM (AZGON)

50 According to reports, 41-year-old Fairey and his colleague Romeo Trinidad were punched and kicked by at least two men outside the Kodboderne 18 nightclub in the early hours of last Saturday morning. Fairey claims the men called him "Obama illuminati" and ordered him to "go back to America". I'm still not seeing any problem here.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 11:38 AM (AZGON)

51 Quick check on our "racist buddy" troll's hash history indicates that the inbred idiot will 1) Go away in a huff 2) Call those who criticize him totalitarians 3) Call those who criticize him "sodomites" 4) Break into unintelligible profanity 5) Blame the Joooos Anyone want to take odds?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 13, 2011 11:39 AM (bxiXv)

52 Yeah, but they were real Hard Lefty types. Cannibalism, it's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 13, 2011 11:40 AM (sJTmU)

53
Ann Coulter is right, as usual.

Today will be remembered as the climax of Perry's candidacy.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 13, 2011 11:40 AM (4Ejxg)

54 A lot of people see the erection of Hadrian's Wall and similar border fortifications as the beginning of the end of ancient Rome's greatness, seeing it as the acceptance of "holding" rather than "growing."

America is even worse, not even caring to hold fast to its borders in any meaningful way. . . .

Posted by: logprof at August 13, 2011 11:43 AM (BP6Z1)

55 "Obama Illuminati" ??   What do drunk Scanis know that I don't know?

Does Obama have the Spear which pierced the side of Christ on the Cross?

Secret handshake?  Gnomes of Zurich?  What, then?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 11:43 AM (UqKQV)

56 Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 03:38 PM (AZGON)

Yeah, I was overcome with schadenfreude.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 13, 2011 11:46 AM (/JSoi)

57 They are doubling down on dumb in Europe: Reuters - ...Italian Economy Minister Giulio Tremonti stepped up calls for a more coordinated response to the euro zone debt crisis on Saturday ahead of a potentially vital summit between the leaders of France and Germany next week. Tremonti returned to proposals -- rejected in the past by Berlin and Paris -- for the creation of common euro zone bonds that would effectively make individual governments debt a common burden. His British counterpart George Osborne, long a supporter from outside the euro zone of more fiscal integration within the currency bloc, went as far as to say that some form of outright fiscal union was now needed... So broke Italy and conveniently non-Euro UK officials now want to directly enslave the (relatively more) responsible nations in Europe. I blush.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 11:46 AM (AZGON)

58 "Shepard Fairey." How appropriate.

Posted by: ErikW at August 13, 2011 11:46 AM (i1dgm)

59 "Shepard Fairey." How appropriate. Sounds like a recruiter for a gay pride parade.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 11:48 AM (AZGON)

60 Anyway, OT (that's On-Topic), one of the reasons people think technological advancement is slowing down is because we're seeing more incremental (but still significant) improvements. The "Personal Computer" was a huge advancement but at first is was terribly rare and terribly slow. Now it's common as dirt and a million times faster. Another reason is that so many of the advancements are transparent - tiny cellphones, tiny computers, pacemaker/defibrillators that can "phone home," etc. But increasing bureaucracy and regulation really have slowed things down, especially in the industrial area, transportation. Large-scale projects have trended toward the invisible as well, i.e. road networks, bridges, and tunnels instead of tall buildings and dams. We do have the Bugatti Veyron, though.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 13, 2011 11:48 AM (bxiXv)

61 49 "Go home Yankee hipster": Obuttfuck "Hope" poster artist Shepard Fairey beaten up by Scandis

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 13, 2011 03:36 PM (/JSoi)


--Leftards cannibalizing themselves = hilarity ensues

Posted by: logprof at August 13, 2011 11:49 AM (BP6Z1)

62 So broke Italy and conveniently non-Euro UK officials now want to directly enslave the (relatively more) responsible nations in Europe.

This is how socialism works - it needs a healthy host to feed upon.  Once the host is expended, it quickly searches for a new victim to feast on. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 13, 2011 11:50 AM (9hSKh)

63 --Leftards cannibalizing themselves = hilarity ensues On the other hand, it embodies consistent philosophy. Very vegan. Vegetables eating other vegetables.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 11:52 AM (AZGON)

64 Yeah, uh! Get up, now! Ow! Knock out this!
Super highways, coast to coast,
easy to get anywhere
When there's no destination - that's too far
And somewhere on the way,
you might find out who you are

Blogging After America - eye to eye, station to station
Blogging After America - hand to hand, across the nation
Blogging After America - got to have a celebration
Ow!

Posted by: Zombie James Brown at August 13, 2011 11:58 AM (GZitp)

65 Kratos, and they have something like $1.8T in debt. Italy is Greece plus.

Posted by: journolist at August 13, 2011 11:58 AM (Fb9Q0)

66 Posted by: logprof at August 13, 2011 03:43 PM (BP6Z1)

north of that wall is mostly Scotsmen and sheep.   At least they make more than enough good "water of life" for us and them.

so not all walls are bad.......

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 11:59 AM (UqKQV)

67 Italy is Greece plus. Plus really fast supercars that fall apart in three months.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 12:01 PM (AZGON)

68 67 Posted by: logprof at August 13, 2011 03:43 PM (BP6Z1)

north of that wall is mostly Scotsmen and sheep.   At least they make more than enough good "water of life" for us and them.

so not all walls are bad.......

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 03:59 PM (UqKQV)


Don;t forget that aqua vitae was given us by Irish (not Scottish) monks!

Posted by: Drunken Irish Apologist at August 13, 2011 12:02 PM (BP6Z1)

69 Italy's debt is 123% of GDP and accounts for 23% of the Eurozone's debt. And Italy needs to come up with over $300B to be able to roll it's current debt.

Posted by: journolist at August 13, 2011 12:04 PM (Fb9Q0)

70 re the wind mills and hot weather -- I live in the Deep South and it is hot every day for 3 months straight. I have a screen door and I prop it open for the most part during these months, as it is in my way going in & out and the main door is kept closed (AC, duh).
 
With the screen door's large surface area, even small breezes cause it to creak when propped open. It rarely creaks. There just isn't any wind to speak of during the day.
 
I say all this because I was reading the sidebar article and I know it to be true for my location. Windmills would be a DUMB idea here in southern MS. Solar with storage batteries would make much more sense if you wanted to go green here, or just to get off-grid.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 13, 2011 12:07 PM (bvXGR)

71 Come. Violate me.

Posted by: Turd Wrapped In A Flag at August 13, 2011 02:32 PM (EL+OC)

This is one of the strangest comments I've seen here.  Which is probably why it's still making me chuckle.

Posted by: blue star at August 13, 2011 12:12 PM (MLZxF)

72 And Italy needs to come up with over $300B to be able to roll it's current debt. Berlusconi has a meeting lined up with a guy named "Guido" in a Naples back alley.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 13, 2011 12:12 PM (AZGON)

73 Posted by: dagny at August 13, 2011 02:28 PM Nailed it.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 13, 2011 12:18 PM (y6rdx)

74 Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 03:59 PM (UqKQV)

You know the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scotsman?

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Mick Jagger says "Hey, you, get off of my cloud". A Scotsman says "Hey, McCleod, get off of my ewe".

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 13, 2011 12:33 PM (/JSoi)

75

Hi logprof

Finished well up in Medora yesterday. Flying out of Rapid City thisw afternoon

Made an oil well, btw..

Posted by: TexasJew at August 13, 2011 12:49 PM (lOyKe)

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Mick Jagger says "Hey, you, get off of my cloud". A Scotsman says "Hey, McCleod, get off of my ewe".

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 13, 2011 04:33 PM (/JSoi)\

Gaelic sodomy jokes for a mundane Saturday afternoon

as I hear tell, Celts ( in Scotland and Ireland ) developed whiskey.  and kilts

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 12:53 PM (UqKQV)

77 Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 13, 2011 04:53 PM (UqKQV)

speaking of kilts...You know why Scotsmen wear kilts?

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Because a sheep can hear a zipper a mile away.

(Paul Lynde actually told that joke on Hollywood Squares)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 13, 2011 01:01 PM (/JSoi)

78

@1: "We're Ancient Rome alright... about to wipe out Hannibal!"

Hannibal scared the shit out of the Romans long after he was dead.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 13, 2011 01:07 PM (2xfbm)

79 80 Hannibal scared the shit out of the Romans long after he was dead.
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And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those darn kids!!

Posted by: Roman miscreant in rubber Hannibal mask at August 13, 2011 01:10 PM (6fER6)

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@22: "That will not make a whit of difference to most of the eco-tards. They really are not in it for the ecology. Most are using it to push communism and the rest are just anarchists."

We're also human extinctionists....we want everyone but a favored few dead.  Not impovrished, not subjugated, dead.  Our more enlightened members want everyone dead. Finito.

Posted by: The Eco Movement at August 13, 2011 01:12 PM (2xfbm)

81 77

Hi logprof

Finished well up in Medora yesterday. Flying out of Rapid City thisw afternoon

Made an oil well, btw..

Posted by: TexasJew at August 13, 2011 04:49 PM (lOyKe)

--Sweet news!

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier.  The wifey and I had to scramble down to VA for my grandpop's funeral.   We made an impromptu trip to Grand Forks, but that was as far into ND as we could manage (the trip to VA cost too many $$$).

Posted by: logprof at August 13, 2011 02:45 PM (BP6Z1)

82 Well, with our lawsuit happy society, I can see little motive for inovation.  How long was Vioxx on the market?  And recently the pain relief medicine Darvocet was pulled from the market.  From the research I did, it had a less than 1% fatality reaction, but apparently that isn't safe enough.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 13, 2011 03:01 PM (O/onO)

83 Shepherd Fairey and Romeo Trinidad are the coolest names!! OMG, I wish I had their parents!!!

Posted by: Lance Romance. Totally my real name, swearsy! at August 13, 2011 03:03 PM (VRdHW)

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